PLOT was a mistake. Let's just say the show ends at episode 9.
Watch three episodes and decide for yourself.
I think the early episodes were pure magic, they fucked it up in later episodes by adding drama that got nowhere. But it's still a nice series.
>focusing on a relationship between a mother and her child is ripping off Evangelion
There were other things that ripped off Eva like the mecha world but in general it was not ripping off Eva.
>that feeling when you can't tell if these posts are trolling or not anymore
I want to believe it's mostly joking around but I can never tell anymore either.
>the last thing Mimi says to Salt is to stay faithful to her
You can't fool me. I fought in the Meme War of 2016 and have over 500 confirmed kills. I can identify over 2000 different kinds of bait and your OP is one of them. Arrest him immediately.
seems to be too busy having a twitter flamewar about pedophilia atm, ask again later
then again he liked 12 but dislikes the general direction the show has been going, so it's probably that, this will probably get ANN's coveted "B+ it's shit" rating
She was crying in that scene, anon.
She knows. She already knows.
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600 by 600 pixels
>Why not here? it's an imageboard after all. we'd just have to reply your post.
Its hard trying to shitpost 24/7 to have to go around collecting images
>Why not real postcards? I want to send one. But there needs to be a campaign for it to mean something.
I'm not sure how this would be accomplished so I'm limiting it to digital.
>Who are we sending it to?
@binobinobi the directors twitter
How many do we have so far?
She drew them on.
Fuck man, Megas XLR was sick. They should have actually had a Megas XLR episode. They do know that chicks dig giant robots, right?
looks like he named super lovers as his worst anime of the year and now super lovers fans are really salty
if you don't know how this related to pedos, look up what super lovers is about
>Grey PI world
>Everything is dull (definitely PI belonging to adult)
>Butterflies (the only connection between adult Salt and kid Salt)
>Cocona lives with Sayuri, and Sayuri plays a role of mother (yeah, more like older sister, but whatever, that's because Sayuri is much younger than Salt)
>Cocona is Salt's daughter
>This PI layer was created by Salt
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
I want to use this as I send the images to them is this fine?
(A message from the overseas fans from /a/. The cards each anon created are collected here. Thank you for Flip Flappers!)
Fucking pedos, thank god Flip Flappers only has healthy relationships beetween similarly aged people
>that was Salt's PI
Fuck me how did I not realize. That's like when watching the marathon I didn't realize the connection about Yayaka and not making any choices, and regretting it.
I thought the last few episodes were just as bad as the rest of the series.
I'm going to find where you live and kill you for insulting my beloved daughter.
To be fair, Super Lovers is indeed extremely creepy to a degree few other shows can even dream of. This drama is extra funny because now Super Lovers ultrafujos are now all "you're clearly just a HOMOPHOBE, Mr. Jacob 'Yuri on Ice is basically the best anime in forever' Chapman."
Basically a gigantic anime bumfight.
She actually says something more along the lines of "It's ok, as long as I'm always your number one," so I sort of took it as being permission from here to move on (with Sayuri maybe,) so long as he always holds her as the love of his life in his heart.
>not being happy Yayaka is happy at last, free
She's friendzoned, but she's cool with that.
I mean, she's stuck in PI with no way to return and he's stuck in the real world with no way to enter PI
They may love each other but unless they like exchanging mail through their daughter, they're basically separated forever.
At some point Mimi has to appreciate the fact that Salt has needs and she can't fulfill them unless she uses her daughter's body. Better just to face reality and cede that ground now.
>At some point Mimi has to appreciate the fact that Salt has needs and she can't fulfill them unless she uses her daughter's body.
Don't give the doujin artists any ideas, anon.
A grave loss at that
>has needs and she can't fulfill them unless she uses her daughter's body
There's 3000 seeders for HS 720p ep13, that means ir's not a flop, r-right?
>Press Flip to pay Flaps
A 16 year old gets an 8 year old adopted brother who he uses to fulfill his sexual fantasies.
>When's futanon's doujin coming out?
Hopefully within a month or so if I can get my ass in gear. But I'm also horrendously lazy...don't wait around for it.
Anyway, here's some kissu fanart for you all.
Sequel never ;_;
Make sure that is written on the collage itself somewhere. Also, specifically mention 4chan. I remember something in the past like this, and the director on twitter said something along the lines of "thank you reddit!"
Yayaka is happy that Cocona is happy but Yayaka has no happiness of her own. No family, no friends, no home, no money. All she ever wanted was somewhere to belong and she lost the only place she had.
And people say she got a happy end.
Oh my god that is absolutely beautiful. Thanks for all of the cute
and degenerateartworks. You gave my heart a run for its money.
Thanks for this
>stuck in the real world with no way to enter PI
But Elpis or what's left of it is still there. With the data Hidaka can probably put some bullshit together. If he can't they can "improve" him like Salt's dad and Iroha.
Very nice. Gonna miss seeing new Flip Flappers art from you once the threads die down.
Disgusting. You don't date someone you're raising.
You can summon Yayakas with creamboxes https://creamboxbu.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/%E3%80%9C%EF%BC%92%E5%91%A8%E5%B9%B4%E8%A8%98%E5%BF%B5%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5%E4%BC%81%E7%94%BB%E3%80%9C%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E3%83%9C%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%82%92%E4%BD%9C%E3%81%A3/
you know what needs to be done... he's not even looking... it's like he want's you to kill him
If you liked FlipFlapppers make sure to watch Shin-chan movie 24 once subs are out.
I'm probably revealing my abysmal powerlevel here, but who came up with this shit and under what circumstances is it an homage and not just a terrible cliche
>didn't realize the connection about Yayaka and not making any choices, and regretting it.
Episode 10 she talks briefly with Cocona about how the Klan made all the choices for her and she was okay with it because she thought things would work out okay. She was wrong and wishes she could go back and do things differently.
Yayaka was fine with KKK making every choice in her life because she believed it will result in a world where no one got hurt
If Uexküll is best boy, does that mean /our gal/ got a happy end?
It was a fun ride guys. I dont understand why some are disappointed- we had a few episodes of tragedy, but managed to secure a good end in a way that made sense. Aside from a few pacing and animation issues in the last couple of episodes, the show is more or less flawless.
I am going to miss it. I just want more. I am not ready to leave Papika and Cocona behind me. Its sad that these threads are going to fade away soon. I miss it all already.
Thank you all for everything. This was honestly the best time I have had on this board in years, and the best anime I have seen in about the same timespan.
I love love LOVE Flip Flappers!
I just realized, you can tell that the doctor in the middle is salt's dad because he has the hair curls in his silhouette
I wonder if the two sub-leaders were ever seen out of uniform beyond this shot so we could identify the,
Why not? The BDs have "bonus content."
For me the main achievement of her struggle was inspiring the twins since she never really reached anything with Cocona (Cocona has no idea ho important she is to Yayaka). Most of it was kind of for nothing.
You got dubs, so I want to believe!
in all honestly its unlikely, but I would love it if it did happen. Throw in a little bit of Salt reconciliation as he tries to be a dad for once and it would be perfect.
yes, he's pretty handsome too desu
They had enough moments to do that in the last episodes and didn't. What makes you think they'll add it to some OVA? It was never meant to be. I'll never understand why is it so hard for animu to include an actual, not-implied kissu.
>Yuyu has a metal arm in the OP of every episode
>She has a real arm here
Explain this, memes allowed
>more than 12 hours after the ep
>no photoshoops of pic related
are you for real?
I... I wrote a song for Yayaka
CARRY ON MY WAYWARD TSUN
THERE'LL BE PETS WHEN YOU ARE DONE
LAY YOUR WEARY FLAPS TO REST
DON'T YOU FLIP NO MORE
I hope she finds happiness.
The tell in the interview it was real arm from the beginning as you can see in ep 5 and some other. They put that pink worm cast on her arm for shits and giggles. Don't know about robot arm playing cello, someone suggested that's how she trained to use bionic arm.
I don't think these legs belong on an elementary schooler.
I felt the ending was disappointing, but the adventure episodes were so good, I really can't complain about the series overall.
Most anime don't stick the landing anyways, so it shouldn't be that surprising when Flip Flappers doesn't either.
>is cocona's age
>is friends with her for a good many years
>gets fired and almost murdered by the KKK for cocona
>papika swooces in after de-aging bullshit to steal her away
>was somehow more straight up with papika and mimi than she ever was with cocona
Yayaka? More like Sayayaka.
For me the ending itself was great. I just feel like there was some stuff that could have or should have been in the ending that wasn't there. But everything that WAS there was great. I am not disappointed, I just want more.
>Twins pretty much cheering for Yayaka
>Don't even have a scene with her at the end
Is Yayaka doomed to be a lonely loser forever?
The idea is the same. It's fucking stupid that people should forgive Flip Flappers for having a shit ending just because other anime didn't have one either.
Yeah, let's not expect better products. Here's your participation prize.
If I didn't have /a/ to explain freudian unbirthing, jungian dream archetypes, fire codes, obscure references to classical art and japanese literature, the menstrual cycle and nalclippers, I probably wouldn't have understood this show, either.
In fact I still didn't really understand episodes 6 and 7 until yesterday's discussion.
For me I felt like the landing was pretty good. Salt and Mimi Closure, Cocona and Papika confession was top tier, as was the pipe reunion scene, and the subsequent OVER THE RAINBOW end sequence. The Mimi battle was also neat.
It covered all its bases, while confirming that everyone gets to live happily ever after and go on more adventures together. It was a happy end. While it didn't bring the feels, it was heartwarming in a nice way. The sequence of non stop "Fuck you!" to possible bad ends in the second half was also nice.
You can expect a better product all you want, but at the end of the day, most anime have shit endings. It's not excusing anything, because it's still detracting from the total enjoyment of the series like every other anime with a shit end.
As it is, the earlier episodes are good enough to make up for this particular bad end, most anime do not have that luxury.
huh, I started the show the week before christmas and marathoned 1-11. I had no issue understanding anything at all and was surprised to find people confused. Only the DPI episode 6 about Iro had me confused at first, but I rewatched it immediately afterwords and understood it perfectly the second time around.
>In fact I still didn't really understand episodes 6 and 7 until yesterday's discussion.
Care to elaborate? I thought the discussion had a fairly developed interpretation of those episodes when they first aired and the following weeks.
Isn't the unbirthing really important for this show, I mean I don't fully understand it but it kinda makes sense
ending is shit, it should be mature papika x younger cocona
What was the best scene from the finale for you fellow Flappers? I loved the dicktree segment with naked de-aged!Papika and young Cocona in Mimi's dress. [spoler]If only any kind anon would shoop a cute penis onto Papika it'd be the perfect scene.[/spoiler]
Fuck it all. I'm playing Sun and Moon, name my girl Yaya and fuck Lillie. The name is cursed.
Thats right, she shot the gun! I don't understand why anyone is upset unless they really wanted a tragic ending for some reason- or maybe they wanted to have some heavy feels to validate their enjoyment/love for the show?
I mean, I want a kissu too! But aside from that, improved animation (BDs will get that) and maybe some extended scenes (because I love the show and want to see more and am greedy for whatever I can get) this episode was great all around.
The only serious misstep this show ever had was episode 12s last 3-4 minutes, which really felt rushed for the content it was handling.
Everything about this show has been almost perfect. Some of the best I have seen in years. For a debut work, this is nothing short of incredible. Oshiyama is going to produce some amazing masterpieces in the next 10 years or so if he keeps this up.
I probably wouldn't have really connected all of the little details about Cocona's character being related to fears of change and anxiety about growing up were it not for all that imagery tying things together, contextualizing her reactions.
The imagery was really the glue that held everything together. Understanding it made other things fall into place and allowed the show to be so much more than the sum of its parts
Flip Flappers is a good example of a show with decent themes, good production, but horrible direction.
It feels like the team behind it loosely knew what they wanted to make, but the studio needed them to rush it out the door for some reason. The themes were also wild and all over the place, highly indicative that they were working with a very rough draft for the story.
Could've been an AotY candidate if they took more time making it. Maybe a 2 cour alternating between Pure Illusion adventures and flashbacks explaining the plot instead of having 9 episodes of adventures and then then have the last third be an infodump.
>What was the best scene from the finale for you fellow Flappers?
I liked it when they got spooked by the gokineyou
the unbirthing imagery just represents the desire of Cocona to run away, to flee from her need make decisions and escape
You can understand what she is doing without understanding the symbols but if you do it just adds another layer of complexity to the story
S/M with Yayaka as Chicken-chan is the literal Yayaka route. You're gonna get Uexkull, Cocona is going to leave with her mom
's best friendand you get to hang out around the island like a loser.
It's not fucking unbirthing, it's more about understanding strong maternal instincts. Mimi allows herself to be consumed by her desire to protect Cocona and this warps Pure Illusion due to her majority control of it.
Maybe if someone burns the begonias one by one CCN will notice her butt.
Penguindrum was about the affection and caring nature between siblings, Flip Flappers was about parenting and nature vs nurture. The only things they had in common was dealing with family issues.
There's too many to pick just one.
The macross tentamissile action sequence
Nyunyu shot her gun
Salt arriving to almost kinda do something
Mimi's Flip Flapping and henshin
The goddamn mutual love confession
The entire boring world PI leading up to the Papika reunion
The midair snuggling
It was such a fucking good finale, goddamn.
Anon Yayaka never took Cocona off the boat like Papika did. Only Papika could ignite Cocona's heart.
Love confession. Best romance of the year. Surprisingly MAO was in the second best in Luluco.
I think the really ironic thing about Penguindrum is that the best episode in the entire series was also the turning point where everything changed and got much less cogent.
The second half still had some great episode, though. Like the man who would not be crushed.
Yeah okay calm down. I understand securing funding for a risky arthouse project like Flip Flappers is probably pretty fucking hard.
But they could have at least refined the script a bit better, regardless of whether or not it was intended to be 1 or 2 cours. As it is now the themes are barely conveyed to the viewer and we have a ton of untapped potential that could have made FF into an Ikuhara-tier experience.
>Salt is about to get the same offer Mimi did
>The offer that made the crazy-ass hell-Mimi that everyone just got finished fighting
>The crazy-ass hell-Mimi that Salt was very aware of
He shot the double so it wouldnt fucking bother him
He decided to accept his mistakes, that was the shadow his true self
They could have played it safer - 1 season all build-up and development and if second season is made years later then bring up plot (that was only foreshadowed in the first season).
Everything is better than YKA. I don't get how anyone could like that anime. It's actually super pretentious, all the stuff people analyzed amounted to absolutely nothing at all. It was just "be yourself" said in a really convoluted way and its head romance was so bad and uninteresting I was happy every character died.
What exactly did Salt achieve or hope to achieve by entering PI through the ELPIS machine?
I understand that he eventually shot his alternate self, choosing not to switch with him and change his past, but that was more of an extra reason for having gone there. Or rather his alternate self was just something in the way of his real goal--which was?
I actually dropped YKA because it was a little TOO abstract, even for an Ikuhara work. Maybe I'll pick it up again some day but it felt like he had just completely lost his mind at that point.
That was more likely a Snow White allusion.
Though it's really anybody's guess. Any resistance to "everything is biblical" was thrown out the window once Salt got stigmata after being crucified.
>What exactly did Salt achieve or hope to achieve by entering PI through the ELPIS machine?
Help is daughter, that was his ultimate goal. He did that by working with Mimi so she could overcome her overloaded maternal instincts and let her daughter be free.
>No one will ever tell you you're their only one, like Cocona told Papika
Why keep on living?
Sorry, can't screenshot subs with XYSubFilter.
>Help his daughter, that was his ultimate goal.
Okay, so that's what he hoped to achieve, but did he really do anything with that? Wouldn't it have played out basically the same if he hasn't gone in there?
Dr. Salt, like Dr. Pepper
The naming schemes in this show made no sense besides the rabbit being named after some German animal behaviorist who didn't even have anything to do with any of the themes or even animals as complicated as rabbits anyways.
Any recommendations for a depressed fellow Flapper who just finished watching the finale? I love shows like this, Rolling Girls, and Koukaku no Pandora. Basically comfy shows (at least the beginning of FLFL was) with /u/ subtext or just full-on lesbo.
He created another layer of Pure Illusion, since Mimi brought PI to the real world he could manipulate and create effects with his own PI, also if we go by the INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS than it explains the good Mimi coming out
Are you the /pol/ guy from before? You should know that /a/ doesn't welcome recommendation requests. There are entire boards dedicated to that.
On of the main points of Cocona's development was gaining the courage to make decisions despite the possibility of failure (making mistakes).
Through Salt and Mimi this episode illustrates two opposite ways of dealing with wrong decisions. evil!Mimi's reaction, once she admitted she was wrong, was to lash out and try to destroy every consequence of her mistaken decision to start anew. Even during the scene she lies in the water she expresses the desire to simply undo her decision. Salt, on the other hand, decides to stick to his decisions even if he recognizes as a mistake. Instead of destroying the present that sprouted from his decisions, he attempts to turn it into a better future.
This ties into good!Mimi's words in episode 12 about how everyone was afraid of failure, including herself and Salt.This episode dealt with how they coped with that.
So this show was kind of like Lain, where the Wired ended up becoming superimposed over reality via subliminal radio messaging.
Pure Illusion is like that, it's a "layer" over reality where things can pass between them under certain circumstances. If impedance fucks up, PI starts to leak into reality.
ELPIS allows the user to create ANOTHER layer like PI above PI. But this process seems to be incredibly taxing on the subject without granting full control of PI, so the KKK scrapped it.
Salt was willing to use it to gain temporary control over regular PI even if it meant risking his life.
sorry anon, I am just as lost as you are. I have just been listening to over the rainbow and watching episode 13 over and over again.
I dont know what to do anymore.The show told me to go out and live my own life and make my own choices! But all I want is to watch more Flip Flappers! New Flip Flappers!
>yfw the writers stop giving a shit and ruin everything
When Mimi goes wacko and tried to kill him part of her stops the flowers. He helped convince a part of Mimi that the Cocona needs to go free and live her life. You could argue it was this that allowed Papika and Cocona to beat Mimi, she was convinced by Salt to let them go
You just watch it all play out with black holes and henshin but that was just her process of coming to accept Salts point of view
I know that feel, I remember watching KLK as well.
Why a cool third wheel like YYK only gets to take care of her crush's pet while while slutty slutson in Citrus got kisses, groping and best girl as consolation prize? not fair. Fuck you, Santa.
No? When he showed up Mimi was in the process of trapping everyone in a spooky forest made out of the giants that turned out to be unbeatable because they could rewind time. And him showing up just blew that all away.
When Iro got DPI'd was it really her own alternative self that caused her life to be changed or was it a result of our protagonists' actions? Or was it just something that they watched without having any influence over it? Trying to figure out the difference between what happen to Iro and Mimi.
I understand that concept, and find it really cool.
But, how was that used to win or change the course of the battle? It looked to me like Cocona and Papika won on their own, or at least evil Mimi lost by saying "fuck it, I'll destroy everything" before giving up in the depressed river.
How did Salt use his new PI layer to help defeat evil Mimi? I know that was his PI that they went to at the end, but that was after the conflict was over basically.
I think the deeper you go into PI the more things blur together and the less separation between self and other forces of the collective unconscious becomes apparent. Basically the further you go in, the more you influence it, and the more it influences you. The deeper you go, the more it all mixes together. Sort of like a more controlled version of everyone becoming tang in End of Evangelion. Where the mixing of consciousness only occurs in a limited sense based on how deep you go, and who it is that you are going deep into.
Iro probably regretted not saying goodbye to her auntie, Cocona and Papika actually managed to say goodbye to auntie, that lifted a weight of Iro's back who felt guilty all this time for not being able to say goodbye, wether they actually changed the past or it was just in Iro's mind I don't know, but yeah they actively changed her mind and were not mere spectators
Think of the battle as just a visualization of the internal struggle of Mimi. Salt being present changed how she thought about the situation and therefore the the battle changed. When she "lost" was the moment her mind was changed and she accepted Cocona being free to make decisions.
Its not a fight, its an argument, and Papika and Cocona won by changing the mind of Mimi, with Salts help
Fun shows with confirmed lesbian feelings and dykesukis? Saki is great in that department, but the author happens to be A LAZY DYKE WHO WOULD RATHER DRAW TITS AND FUCK HER ASSISTANS THAN RELEASE THE FUCKING CHAPTERS ON TIME AND WHEN SHE DOES THEY HAVE NO GODDAMN INK. But overall it's a fun series. Ping pong with lesbians is tanoshii too. Next season has dragon meido.
rewatch it. They were surrounded in spooky forest made of demon things and losing. Then salt showed up and all of it blew away. Mimi freaked out and tried to stop salt, but then good mimi showed up and saved salt. By then the limits of what Salt could do were reached.
Papika and Cocona had their confession, and now with the power of zero impedance between them, they flew into Mimi's blackhole vagoo with all their power and it defeated her.
klk did end up having a satisfying ending and managed to fulfill its initial themes and core ideas, though
it just kinda went off the rails a little over halfway through
my best guess for ff is that the writers were just too pressed on time to get the script to be fully functional for a 13 episode series so were barely got fulfillment
Man, Salt is a badass.
So, I guess what you're saying is that if Salt hadn't showed up, Mimi's good side might not have been able to help as much? I could see that, but she had already been sort of doing things on her own before then, and still didn't do much afterwards.
Okay, I somehow missed that when he first showed up, he transformed the vibrant background into all the dead trees (those representing his PI layer that he's transposing onto evil Mimi's?).
Now that I understand that Salt did overlap his PI earlier than I first thought, that basically means Evil Mimi gave up and "self-destructed" as a last resort because of him. Which makes my opinion of the episode go up by a lot.
> its initial themes and core ideas
Well yeah, because those didn't amount to much anyway. KlK was all about "man this is going to become so meaningful any second now" and then it just never happened.
One side of Iro's personality became dominant because the other was dragged down by the traumatic memory of her encounter with Auntie's alzheimer's.
Cocona and Papika were essentially along for the ride and simply observing until the end, when they fell into the canyon. The change they made was they altered Iroha's memories, giving her a memory of telling Auntie their name and having her remember. This resolved the trauma tying down the upbeat side of Iroha's personality and swapped which side was dominant (blue swapped with orange).
Mimi's experience is like what Cocona and Papika observed. Mimi faced a traumatic experience that caused once side of her personality to become dominant as a way of coping with that experience. In Iroha, her trauma with Auntie shattered her happy (orange) persona and the blue took over. In Mimi, the traumatic theft of her child shattered the peaceful (Good Mimi) persona and the violent one took over. I suppose you can think of it as Mimi realizing that she couldn't keep her baby safe unless she was willing to use her powers aggressively to harm other people, but crossing that line also meant unleashing all of the other emotional baggage and pent-up aggression associated with her own horribly traumatic life. She had probably been repressing everything within her that Bad Mimi embodies because her friendship with Papika and romance with Salt made it worthwhile to try and love the world. Once the repression came down, it all came flooding out.
Just like Iroha's disposition hinged on the memory of Auntie, Mimi's disposition hinged on the safety of Cocona.
mecha shit just ruins the immersion. mechs are all about depersonalization and its hard to care about a show when its just robots doing robot things with deus ex machina wrangling with the plot. what defines a good climax to action is nice choreography rather than just random explosions everywhere.
I was really underwhelmed with the entire second cour of KLK outside of one hype action sequence near the end (the one that had Gamagoori face blast and ended with the X-slash)
I found the entire second half of FLFL to be far more fulfilling and satisfying, even though none of its action scenes were as hype as a vast majority of KLK action sequences.
>klk did end up having a satisfying ending and managed to fulfill its initial themes and core ideas, though
What? The ending of KLK was almost completely disconnected from most of the story until Ragyou beat the shit out of her and Satsuki at Honnouji.
KLK's was easily one of the most disappointing endings in recent memory.
Salt temporarily hijacked PI by dipping into it from the DPI created by ELPIS, preventing Mimi from nuking everything. He also used his power to salvage the "real" Mimi to confront evil Mimi. This presumably made an opening for Papika and Cocona to strike.
Everything in the end of Flip Flappers carries off of elements from earlier episodes, including themes. Are you serious?
Kill la Kill didn't have any core ideas or initial themes. It infamously introduced many elements and dropped them.
Does it have NTR? I tend to stay away from stuff like that.
But I do browse /pol/ occasionally.
Ping Pong with lesbians have a pretty bad art style to me but I will see if it's worth my time. Also
I learned better after episode 11 of Hibikek S1. That season was great overall but S2 is complete dogshit. The only KyoAni shows I like are K-On (the series, not the movie), Tamako Market (the series, not the movie), Chuunibyou S1 (with the DekoNibu episodes of S2), and the first 10 episodes of S1 Hibikek.
My dick will never forget about Yuyu and Nyunyu.
Except where every episode (yes, even the later ones) of Flip Flappers is meaningful even on its own. That is absolutely not something you can say about KLK's parade of midbosses.
>Post your favourite image you saved in a Flip Flappers thread
One of mine.
KlK's core theme was "just b urself lol". Which isn't too deep, it was supposed to be an over-the-top ecchi/action series anyways. Shedding the life fibers and graduating led to the cast being able to wear clothes besides their uniforms. It was a really fucked up coming of age story about finding your own tastes and identity in life.
Also imperal-era Japan allegory about not just mindlessly following the governing body because they're powerful. It was kinda supposed to be a wakeup call that social rebellion is something you should embrace if you're being repressed.
I was expecting Salt to be as bad as Amata's parents
Just because you don't like the meaning doesn't mean it's meaningless.
KLK was about as meaningful as Bleach, except it was all ~postmodern~ about it so it took everyone a while to catch on.
alright, glad you could figure it out!
Yeah, the show is pretty much perfect aside from some pacing issues in 12 and 13- which by themselves don't ruin the series or even those specific episodes.
It was a good finale to an amazing show- we probably wont get another one this good for years, so it would be best to appreciate this one while it lasts.
So the clock had the power to turn back time, that's why the monster regenerated
I don't know how anybody could rank the episodes like this.
The marathon yesterday made me realize just how good each and every pone of them are. I couldn't possibly put them up in a hierarchy from best to work, they were all too good.
take it from someone who misses KLK greatly, it is a fucking trainwreck at the end. the writing is shocking and nothing the MC set out to achieve was actually achieved. ryuko was just a passive actor while
every plot driver died on their own terms for whatever reason
the ultimate kick in the balls was the 'my planet needs me now'
death of senketsu at the end. they turned a meh ending into a terrible one, where her best friend fucking dies, and within 20 seconds she completely forgets it and is embraced by her sister. then boom, show over. no time to wind down, nevermind the 6 or so filler episodes that served to make me resent the existance of mako and the elite 4. around half of the characters don't deserve any screen time.
overall, im just frustrated at the lost potential. the first 3 episodes were great, then it was a slow steady decline. mako should be benched as her power of friendship deus ex machina shit just kills the plot. but this isn't the thread for that.
And i fucking hate the KLK fans. they are always saying 'oh just take it at face value, its just a zany, fast paced adventure', but if I do, whats the point of watching it for low quality animation and fanservice. they actually had something workable that they botched and the fans dont seem to give a shit.
>And i fucking hate the KLK fans. they are always saying 'oh just take it at face value, its just a zany, fast paced adventure',
Bro, the last episode is just the Sonic Adventure 2 plot. C'mon man.
Here is mine:
11 > 9 > 13 > 7 = 6 = 8 = 1 = 4 > 12 > 5 = 3 > 10 > 2
By the way, 11 I consider a 10/10 episode and 2 I consider an 8/10 episode. So even the worst episode is still really good imo. 12 would have been lower than 2, buy Yayaka henshin and MUSCLE boosts it up way higher than it deserves to be.
>Kill la Kill
>Low quality animation
ha, nice one
Also, putting a lie at the start of your post like, "take it from someone who misses KLK greatly," doesn't give you any more credibility.
>nothing the MC set out to achieve was actually achieved
She set out to destroy the system and stick it to the man. The school + the entire island got destroyed than she killed the man and her henchmen. What the fuck are you talking about?
>Your taste is bad
Well that's your subjective opinion, anon. I will give Ping Pong Lesbians a chance though.
The only Love Live I haven't watched is Sunshine. How does it compare to the original?
Okay good. Just want to make sure.
I know, i know, but why does it need to be like that? we spent 23 episodes on interactions between humans and life fibers, and the whole 'we are neither humans or clothing', then they just say, 'yeah nah, fuck life fibers, fuck this somewhat complex situation, lets just delet this and end the show'
Mechs+space ending+SA2+annoying sidekick that is completely opposite to the MC is just the worst possible shit. I was honestly really annoyed at those Goku uniform mech transformations and it gave the image of a show that felt a series of video game bosses
Papika just showing up here out of nowhere was perfect.
Imagine Uexküll gently embracing Yayaka with his strong arms. Holding her so close that she can feel his body heat radiating through his thick soft fur. Then carefully pushing Yayaka down with his body and slowly sliding his bunnycock inside her. Uexküll would try to go really slow at first since it is Yayaka's first time but his animal urges would quickly take over. His thrusting speed wouldkeep growing faster as Yayaka's slightly pained but ecstatic moans grow louder. Then both of their bodies would suddenly get stiff as Uexküll makes his final deep thrust inside. He would fold his ears back and his body would gently vibrate as he freely empties his bunnycum inside Yayaka. Later Yayaka's mind would be confused with the feelings of amazing pleasure and small fear of getting pregnant for this strong bunny man. But deep inside she would love the thought of giving birth to Uexküll's half bunny children. I hate myself for writing this.
I remember being dissapointed that the club captains were brought back for nothing.
Haven't watched a kyoani animu since K-on. How terrible are the threads? Dragon meido is a comfy series with some yuri that is mostly there for the laughs. Dunno if something like that would attract massive shitposting.
You need to get better at shitposting, posting blatantly awful opinions and then providing a copy and paste retort is not sufficient.
Slightly better but still low quality.
So Mimi's still stuck in PI, Cocona still hasn't made any of her own decisions (just accepted what was already decided for her by others), Yayaka has lost everything and didn't get to talk to Cocona again onscreen, Salt still hasn't talked to his daughter and the twins just shrugged themselves back to school. At least Papika reconciled with Mimi and Nyunyu was a great gag. Eh. I really wanted this to be memorable.
I feel like KLK fans are heavily divided between people who liked Mako and people who hated Mako. But that liking/disliking of her also directly correlates to liking/disliking other aspects of the show.
I agree that it was more than a zany action show. There are clearly layers of themes and ideas in KLK, some of which aren't explored as deeply as others. I agree it went off the rails a little over halfway through, but I also think that they got it back on track in time for the ending.
I liked Mako. Her existence was important, especially as Ryuko's motivation shifted from "muh vengeance" to becoming a legitimate hero she needed external encouragement. Ryuko wouldn't be able to stand on her own without a supporting character like Mako to back her up, both in a narrative sense and a sense of Ryuko as a person.
Senketsu's death was necessary to tie into the idea of the loss of life fibers, loss of uniforms, and ultimately the graduation from school which symbolized the characters' coming of age.
thanks anon, that was delicious
I feel dirty
The only thing I found emotionally engaging during the final arc was Mimi trying to keep people from taking her Cocona away. Episodes 12 and 13 were just blah. Also seems like they hand-waved too much of the stuff that needed to be explained.
Afraid I can't give this anime more than a 9.75/10.
I, for one, welcome our new lolibutt overlords.
Who the hell watched Horriblesubs over Underwater?
YOUR FEARS AND PAIN
There is nothing worse than the cognitive dissonance of "this is a flawless 10/10 masterpiece" combined with "hey man it's just a fun anime ok? just enjoy the ride." You can't have both. If it's supposed to be a work of art then it needs to withstand deeper analysis.
I'll take "lazy shout-outs to Pre-Raphaelite art" for 2000, Alex.
What were you expecting?
I have watched it. My worst fears while watching FLFL has always been if PapiCoco were Yuki/Megumi 2.0....
So better than the original? Not that the original was lacking in that department. As a NozoEli, RinPana, SonoUmi, and HonoMaki fag, I was pleased with what I got.
I hope it's not dumb shit like Hibikek's Oboe/Nozomi arc.
KyoAni threads are almost always extremely cancerous and circlejerk-ish.
I will do more research about Dragon Meido. So far /u/ has been giving me a bad impression of it, but /u/ can be a pretty hysteric board at times so yeah. But after S2 of Hibikek I have little to no hope in KyoAni anymore honestly.
Did Oshiyama cram too much ideas into the second half and have trouble fully fleshing out those ideas?
I feel like in the second half Papika and Cocona are not as well developed as Yayaka and Salt/Mimi. The main duo didn't have the screen time they deserve.
Cocona had too much time being passive or totally incapacitated and her growth was finished in very short time. I had hoped her growth would be more pronounced and shown in greater detail and not just subtle visual cues. One endearing point of growth I found is when at the end Cocona was actively making demands on Papika. Only if she was given more time to show more of this.
Papika's motivation and wish stayed vague and static. She loved Cocona and she still loves Cocona so what makes her different now, what is her growth? (Her growth in the first half was her becoming more considerate of Cocona's feelings.) Her main conflict in the second half was to deal with the regained memories of Mimi but the resolution of that was simply "I want you both!", not very satisfying. More unfortunately in the whole time her agency was also being partially usurped by Yayaka and goodMimi making her basically useless. The only thing she managed was never giving up protecting Cocona, which somehow shows her perseverance but it's kind of static characterization.
I quite like the Salt/Mimi plotline. Salt was eventually a redeemed badass. Mimi was given extreme characterization of duality. The problem is Papika/Cocona were reactive in their interaction with Salt/Mimi making this plotline kind of disconnected from the main duo's growth.
I care deeply about the main duo. Is it that my expectation was wrong or is there anything more that could have been done for them?
They used to be more accurate but the last decade or two has had every curvier lolis.
They can with some hair dye and a cyborg arm.
I never said I hated it.
>Also seems like they hand-waved too much of the stuff that needed to be explained.
I actually kind of prefer this these days. Spending too much time explaining stuff that doesn't matter is a waste. Just like how a cute girl with great ZR can be better than a naked one, sometimes letting your brain fill in the details for you is better than the truth.
So what exactly were the mistakes Salt was atoning for? Choosing not to flee with Mimi is the obvious one, but what else?
Does he regret trying to "revive" Mimi by bringing together the shards because he realizes that it ultimately brought out her evil side and that it's really impossible to truly "revive" her? It seems that she's stuck in PI now no matter what happens.
Although, at the end of the episode, Salt seems to still be working with the Flip Flap group, and we know that Mimi still exists in PI, so does he still plan on meeting her there? I guess he thinks there's no chance of evil Mimi coming back? Otherwise he wouldn't be doing nearly the same thing that he just atoned for, right? ("reviving" or at least trying to be with Mimi again, I mean.)
There's a fine line between leaving something up to audience interpretation, and leaving something unexplained when you had implied that it was going to have an explanation at some point. There are times when it seems like the coward's way out. I'm afraid that's how I feel about some of Flip Flappers' loose ends. Like they didn't want to bother wrapping everything up, or didn't give themselves enough time to.
I mean, duh, yes I noticed that. And it's not even a particularly good allegory, since Ophelia isn't a mother figure in that play. They should have used Medea.