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Bohemian Rape: The Manga

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The more I read this, the more I realize that Catholics arent actually humans, let alone christians.
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>>151577616
go away mudslim
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>forced to sing
>do things not even a whore would do
>family and fiance watched

Hot
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>>151577616
>mangahere
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>>151577616
I will never understand these people, they knew people hated them and wanted them all dead but they keep comming in.
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New chapter, btw.

So, knights were basically the medieval equivalent to the Japanese (and French/German) truck?
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>>151577695
>>151577991
>catholics defend their crimes against humanity by deflecting towards islam

hmmm... dont know if stupid or just pretending.
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>>151577616
>>151577991
Religion is a memetic disease that drives men to terrible deeds for their delusions.
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The big witch hunts in Europe were often done by non-catholic christians and evangelicals are as stupid as muslims. Don't even try to prove that any of them is less shitty than the other. The only cool christians are those who don't take their religion that seriously, which is, luckily, the big majority nowadays.
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Fuck yes.
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>>151578171
Humans are a memetic disease that drive themselves to terrible deeds for their delusions.
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>>151577616
Does this update ever? What's it's deal?
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>>151578461
Fuck you space-nigger.
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>>151577616
good thing, heretics must be burged
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>>151578447
Knight killing with guns is so fun.
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>>151578527
And smashing their faces with flails as well.
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>>151578527
No way flintlocks are that good
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>Used good loli compelled into service
This manga is catering to my fetish.
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>>151578600
They are pretty OK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygaSMeTh-f0
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Why is Sigismund so lolrandumb.
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>>151578930
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>>151577616
> a manga depiction of anything is accurate to real life

wew.
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>>151577986
gurofag here, anymore rape/ero-gore/nudity in the new chapter?
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>>151579072
No, only a chapter about catholic brutes getting mowed down by used-goods loli and nice old man.
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>>151577616
>beliving what you read in a manga
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Rape volume next?
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>>151579528
it has, like, 1 rape scene
lasts 1 page
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This has nothing to do with islam
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>>151582518
>using suicide bombers

Takbir!
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OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY NOBLEMAN

PEASANT COMING THROUGH
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>>151577616
>non Catholics
>Human
Pick one.
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>>151577616
Hot.
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It nice to see a happy marriage in the high nobility for once.
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>>151577616
Yes it was horrible until they reform and i just wish the Muslim will do the same
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>>151583202
Good season for crops.
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>>151578388
>the only cool christians are the ones who ignore their own doctrine

so basically not christians
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>>151577616
>tfw the Hussites won
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>>151583840
This fag really lucked out.

He could have ended worse than Jan Hus. What happened?
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>>151583568
she fucks a knight on the side
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So, is this Deliverance: The Manga?
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>>151578684
>that shit tier helmet

Historically, firearms were pretty mediocre against well made Maximilian armour. By the time guns that could reliably penetrate from range were fielded, full plate was already more of a fashion statement.
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>>151583999

I said a happy marriage not a good one.
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You forgot that Muslim are still beheading people for being a faggot or not being a muslim
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What year does this take place?
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>>151585134
Hussite Wars, 1st crusade (1420)
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The Hussite War wasn't a peasant uprising. The vast majority of the Hussite fighting men were still from the noble classes.
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>>151585592
Does the author know that the hand bombard was not traditionally used in such a way, nor was it very effective against armor?
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The Hussites turned on each other at the end, and destroyed themselves, while the Catholic Church still remains standing. Most prod organizations barely survive the generations that birth them, and the Hussite movement was no different.
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>>151585813
he specifically states that in the opening chapter.

these hand-guns are basically the wunderwaffen of the rebel leader, whose brilliant idea it is to have women and children use them to bolster the number of his troops with effective fire support.
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>>151578600
they're not flinklocks. they're just hand canons that you light with a match. flinklock implies it's got a trigger and all that.
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>>151579528
Laura is a qt.

would rape.
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>>151577616
god that's some perfect body she's got. i wish there's a model kit for that corpse. like that quad amputated girl in a fridge from mpd psycho.
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>>151582052
Rape is overrated.

Mass orgy when?
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>>151578447

>Caravan wagons make a fort.

Neat.
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>>151577616
Really? Scenes like that paint them as very human in my opinion, made in the likeness of the Lord.
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Zizka is based as fuck.
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>>151577616
is there a manga where boyos get raped besides Berserk?
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All of this shit depresses me because we miss out on the Ottoman empire absolutely wrecking the catholics later. I love it when smug europeans get their shit kicked in but most stories only focus on shit way before the fall of Constantinople.
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>>151578527
made me wanna play total war warhammer again. Love using empire hangunner to kill anything in the game.

fugging dlc
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>>151592536
>the Ottoman empire absolutely wrecking the catholics later.
They did such a great job, their army was destroyed and they lost all their European possessions!
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>>151577616
Isn't this a /pol/ thread?
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>>151577616
How are the translations for this? Doesn't the guy translate from french chapters?
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>>151598247
Yeah, basically all french, which is why shit is so slow.

But at least consistent. Each month a chapter.
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>>151592536
>Ottoman empire absolutely wrecking the catholics later
>"we Ottomans are the strongest"
>"we'll conquer Europe"
>"God is on our side"

>be the Ottoman Empire
>be at the top of your power
>launch an gigattack against catholic Europe
>get BTFO at Lepanto by catholics
>get perma BTFO at Vienna by catholics
>get reck so hard in your military campaign that you can't never recover and get named "the sickman of Europe"
>becomes irrelevant and ignored meanwhile Europe conquers the world
>get BTFO so hard by Russia later that other Europeans powers must babysit you
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>>151583999
Plural anon, plural. She fucks knights on the side.
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Sarka is a miracle of the universe.
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>>151587362
>like that quad amputated girl in a fridge from mpd psycho.

pics or it didnt happen.
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>>151600489
>Sarka is a miracle of the universe.

But her uterus is death.
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>>151600073

The Ottomans got reincarnated as the jihadis, rejoice it their arab springtime!
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>>151583202
>>151578576
>implying peasants wouldn't just take noblemens' stuff, capture them, and then ransom them back to their families
It's like the author knows nothing of the high middle ages
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Japanese are shit at animating battles.

https://youtu.be/xNzd6s1QcnY?t=16m48s
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>>151600593
No.

She has a doujin/h-manga uterus, which is flexible and can be poked, knocked, crushed and even penetrated without problems, while the other girls had realistic uteri.
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>>151600623
That's the whole point in Zizka's search for the "perfect army".

An army that isnt fighting for money, but for faith alone.
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>>151600623
>implying peasants wouldn't just take noblemens' stuff, capture them, and then ransom them back to their families
They might not depending. Generally you took their stuff but keeping them alive wa simply good manners. Peasants are not known for their good manners.
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What the fuck is this manga about?
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>>151600971
Not AU version of Berserk.
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holy fucking shit is this a manga about the hussite wars?

is this real life?
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Japan's taste is off the hook today.
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>>151600073
>muh lepanto
>muh vienna

its not like they were wrecking catholic asses left and right hundred years before, how did you think they reached balls deep into vienna in the first place?
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>>151588129
This, as a well educated Catholic remember: is not sin if you cum inside.
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>>151579072
Wait until Vol 4 to see some great starvation gore.
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>>151582518
Wait, whose side is the guy on?
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>>151592536
>he doesn't know about the shoujo manga taking place in the Sultan's harem
>has Christian countries' leaders going batshit scared when the bishonen Sultan declared an invasion deeper into Europe

Kinda feel bad for them desu since they're portrayed like the prince and princesses in Japanese medieval fantasy Europe.
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>>151601146
>gore
>lolis

It checks out.
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>dumped the entire new chapter yesterday
>barely any response

I-it's not like I'm jealous or something.
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Japan is making more historical accurate media than US + Europe.

We have fallen.
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This is what Youjo Senki should've been.
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Reminder not to get attached to any lolis other than the MC.
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>>151602380
>that manga

As a Muslim, reading that manga actually made me root for the Christians.

It's that fucking shoujo rape effect again.
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>>151602507
why are you reading manga, you damn shitskin?
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>>151602507
You need to go back.
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>>151602722
Because I can

>>151602765
Go back where?
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>>151578600
Flintlocks were pretty shit.

At best you could create a nice smokescreen of which to run away.
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>>151600790
It had nothing to do with manners and everything to do with self-interest. You want to milk your ennemies as much as possible, that's why you ransom them. And peasants would do it as well since it could greatly improve their living conditions. All that food, livestock and weapons aren't gonna buy themselves. You have a war to survive, and you need money for your future spouse.

Peasants straight up killing nobles happened as well, but it was mainly done by non - combattants discovering survivors or during insurrections. And of course idiots were a thing.
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>>151603000
The code which demands you ransom nobles instead of kill them is based in manners, more or less. I haven't read this manga yet but it's not impossible they're taking revenge on the nobles or something or just a huge peasant/burgher revolt. Is this just a straight up war?
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What manga is this
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>>151603047
The knights are basically just killing and raping as they please, even before the uprising having fun with the heretics.
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>>151603750
I mean in that case I'd probably ransom them after castrating their dumb asses
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>>151602429
You did not start with rape, gore and loli.

Learn to bait. Neo /a/ requires that.
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>>151584051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rJyF7v0zA&t

pretty much.

Sigismund is a dick.
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>>151602507
Which manga?
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>>151583633
Reminder that we, especially GB and murrica, helped to make them worse than actual medieval mudslims.
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>>151577616
Damn and just wait to read something about jews, it will blow your mind about humanity itself
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>>151603000
would you show mercy with a knight who played Japanese Truck with loli?
>>151577986
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>>151578078
Go away heathen
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What's with the Czech and throwing people out of windows?
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>>151606097
Nope. Modern Muslims, except for ISIS obviosuly, are leagues better than medieval Muslims, including the so-called "enlightened" Muslims of Al-Andalus. The few non-Muslims living in modern Muslims lands don't face sumptuary laws (with a few exceptions like Egypt) or Jizya anymore for example.
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This is what the hussites were singing before battle, made their enemies shit their pants.
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>>151606880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elskCac9wSI
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>>151578078
>>151578171
Is this the newest meme? Because all it lacks is a fedora pic.
Humans have always do shit for whatever reason. Stop talking like edgy underage.
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>>151601548
>lose the long war against the Christian West
>becomes a laughing shock and English personal mascot
>"b-b-but we won some punctual b-battles ha ha ha BTFO"

Kek. Are every Ottomanboo this pathetic?
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>>151606539
Haha, no.
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>>151578388
>The big witch hunts in Europe were often done by non-catholic christians and evangelicals are as stupid as muslims
Read more, fucktard. The reason Europe burned people was because the pope wanted to get rip of the jews, muslims and the sects. Then powerful men used the inquisition to get rip of their enemies and invented whatever excuse to acuse them.
Moral of the story, humans are two faced.
>The only good Christians are the ones who don't take their religion seriously.
Kill yourself, those aren't Christians, those are normies that pray only when shit happens. The world is like it is now because people are too lazy to follow an ideology.
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>>151607210
>the world is terrible because most people don't take their religion seriously enough to kill infidels
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Can't wait until we get to the liberal free sex Christian cult.
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>actual manga about my country's history
>its edgy as fuck with sex everywhere
>retarded jap author butchering names and events
>Dívčí válka/Maiden's War is a legend completely unrelated to Hussites
>that Žižka

Its kinda flattering but even Hollywood movies based on other countries histories and mythologies are less stupid and ignorant.

Although I would read manga about America's fight for independence with Wa-chan murdering tea-sipping werewolfs.
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>>151578527
>>151578576
The author knows shit about middle age. It feels like he/she just played a game and used it as his/her source.
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>>151607285
No one cares about your country.
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>>151579012
yeah sure christian knights back then are cool dudes that protect muh poor peasant huh?
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>>151607296
I think the author loves middle age combat reenactment if you look at his blog.
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>>151606999
Not that true.

People commit more crimes in the name of outworldly ideals than in the name of realist thinking.

A realist might wage a war against a neighboring nation to achieve a limited objective and then stops and make peace, no hard feelings. Realists eat their fill and move on.

A zealot wages war in the name of "God/Allah/Muh Ideals/Muh Freedom/Muh [insert whatever you idolize here]" and doesnt even stop when it is turned into a crusade that will only end with genocide of people who think differently, just for the sake of it.
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There's literary nothing wrong about burning jews.
The only thing cathoniggers were good at.
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>>151583633
It was the same everywhere. I don't know why people are surprised. Every country has a dark history.
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why is this allowed.
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Why don't you go and finish reading Wolfsmund since this doesn't have much material? Best boy even reappears in the end.
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>>151586226
>whose brilliant idea it is to have women and children use them to bolster the number of his troops with effective fire support.
Is this historical accurate? Because all I know pre-teens fought, but they died before they arrived to the battle field or some shit.
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so in the end the big bad church still cuck them with 'muh faith"?

also fucking christanity is no different than other stupid shit religions
>why don't they practice the same religion as us
>reeeee murdering, looting, raping reeeeee
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>>151592536
>I love it when smug europeans
The only ones that made Europe pisses its pants were the Mongolians.
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>>151607535
Wolfsmund got updated? Or is this still stuck in that chapter after the castle's fall?
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>>151607535
>Best boy even reappears in the end.
I miss him. I wish he got more screen time.
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>>151607253
>people don't take their religion seriously enough to kill infidels
If that's what your reading comprehension tells you, you have no say in this matter.
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>>151602380
>>151602507
What manga?
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>>151607527
>tfw you will never be the big black knight (pun intended) who takes pride on all the heretic women and girls he has killed with his giant cock.
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>>151607388
>A realist might wage a war against a neighboring nation to achieve a limited objective and then stops and make peace, no hard feelings
You are aware this hasn't happened, right? All the wars have been fought to achieve more power. WWI happened because all the nations wanted to be N. 1.
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Is this DEUS VULT the manga?
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Why is Czech republic basically an atheistic country in the current days anyway?
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>>151608010
No. This is Elfen Lied meets Middle Age.
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>>151608087
Gommunism.
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>>151607975
WWI happened because Nationalism rose to be one of the most cancerous ideologies, replacing Christianity in terms of cancerousness, all the while political leaders still thought they are living in the Realist age of pre-napoleon era.

During the Pre-Napolon Era, War was a legitimate tool of statesmanship. Lords fought each other with their mercenary armies, largely respected the rules and conventions of war, and made peace once their interests were satisfied.

Sure, there were exceptions and not all wars were fought as "cleanly", but it is not a coincidence that nearly all conventions of wars were from that time.
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>>151608010
Is about a Crusade the Catholics lost actually.
They won after that anyway
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>>151578171
Replace ideology with religion, idiot.
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>>151607953
giga nigga here

can you actually kill them with just your cock?
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>>151602432
and they are doing it with really good stories related to the settings, like gunka no baltzar, that shit is great
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>>151602507
Manga about muslim? Which one?
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As a Protestant, I can wank to this manga.
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>>151608224
If its big enough to rupture her internals and cause bleeding and/or septic shock
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>>151577616
The manga doesnt even depict medieval politics accurately and the bohemians did a lot of rape, razing and plundering.
To the point that the hussites reputation fell to a nothing other than brigands.
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>>151608439
Hussites are nearer to the Orthodox tradition than they are to Pr*testantism
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>>151577616
Also you cant call that exactly a victory because Sisgimund became King of Bohemia.
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>>151608951
He's already the king here.
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>>151578388
And atheists have done nothing wrong.

Other than the dictatorships, the mass purges, the genocides, terrorism, supporting terrorism, mass starvation, persecution of minority groups......
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>fedora atheists vs /pol/ crusaders

Just kill me senpai
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>>151609103
Have you repented though?
Else you will go to hell.
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>>151577932
One guy. Nice board.
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>>151578527
Jesus, this is the most retarded shit I've read/watched this year, and I watched Big Order.

If this handcannon/whatever (it is clearly not a flintlock), was powerful enough to penetrate a helmet, the kickback from the weapon would be enough to completely fuck the loli's wrist and shoulders (she wouln't even be able to remain on her feet in the first place).

I really hate works of fiction that take an actual historic period as a setting, because they either get completely riddled with historical inaccuracies to the point it bothers people who aren't complete ignorants, or they take absolutely retarded liberties for the sake of storytelling or to pander to the current moral and ideologic sensibilities.

A perfect example of everything I just pointed out is that series Vikings.
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>>151608983
He keeps being King.
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>>151609035
Yep.
They forgot that in 300 years the inquisition killed around 350 thousand people and French Revolution alone killed 200 thousand people in a year.
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>>151611226
>The inquisition killed around 350 thousand people
Citation needed faggot, even the most extreme sources don't claim more than 30-40 thousand, and most estimates are around 3-5 thousand. They didn't even have 350,000 people charged period, let alone executed.
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>>151577616
Can't wait to see they make a manga about Vlad the Impaler
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>>151608087
that's what happens when church send like 7 crusades on your country. The manga is basically about that. And communism of course.
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>>151577616
>Bohemian Rape: The Manga
Surely you meant Bohemian Rape Shoddy.
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>>151612027
South America, Christnigga.

100 million dead abos in merely a century.
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>>151577616
Are you honestly getting your views on history from a fucking manga?

I'm not christian but japs know fuck all about european history outside of video games and DnD fantasy, same as you apparently
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>>151612027
Less than that
In europe at least, the inquisition prosecuted thousands of people and executed on average maybe 2 or 3 per year. Yes, two or three. Not two or three thousand, just two or three. Everyone else was reconciled and brought back into the church.
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>>151614077
YOu forgot to mention that they were "returned" after having their nail pulled and bones broken.
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>>151613885
>Implying the 100 million number is anywhere close to accurate.
>Implying the Inquisition killed the native americans.
>Implying the death of natives from communicable diseases was intentional.
>Implying natives are people.
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Damn is this really a Hussite Wars manga?
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>>151614731
Very loosely so but yeah.
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>>151614731
It plays in the same period.
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>>151577986
>Knights can do anything meme
I hate this one.
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Based Zizka.

BTFO the """""""""Christians"""""""" with a little girl.
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>>151612027
>Inquisition killed one tenth of european population (around 1300) over the years.
Makes you think
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>>151615089
Saracens should've hired him.
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>>151614129
Only if they refused to give up their property and wealth to the church.
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>>151615189
>3-5 thousand is 1/10th of 80 million.
Really activates my almonds.
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>>151616534
Who are you quoting?
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>>151608187
What nacionalism? WWI happened because there was too much tension between the big countries to see which one was going to become N. 1 after the industrial revolution. The only ones that gave a shit about nacionalism was Germany.
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>>151578447
Are those Hussites?
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>>151617427
>WW1 literally began with an assassination committed by a serbian nationalist
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>>151613885
Remainder that the only reason Spaniards were able to conquer Latin America was because all the tribes betrayed each other. They got what they deserved. So stop crying. At least they were left alive, unlike the native americans.
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>>151617532
Pre ww1 europe was close to modern europe. No need for passports or shit
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>>151614129
After the jews, muslims and others got killed/kicked out from Europe, few survived hiding.
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>>151617532
>serbian nationalist
Then Europe went 'well, this man got killed, better to kill each other'.
Nacionalism my ass.
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>>151585888
Kališníci (the Hussite church) still exists today.
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>>151606442
All those huge windows were just too tempting not to use.
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>>151617826
Because basic democratic structures (constitutional monarchies and republics all around) prevented the respective Lords to just say mmmkay and appear weak infront of their people, who are calling for war in the streets.

A true realist dictatorship would say no to a war that makes no sense and promise no gain.

A democracy that is riding on the nationalist wave of its electorates does not enjoy the freedom of giving in or forgiving the slight trespasses of another country, as a Lord would do.

Democracy and nationalism is what killed civilized, rule based warfare.

Neither feudal lords and mercenaries harbour racist hate against each other during war. They fight, because of political and economic benefits. After the war is fought and the political goals are reached, the noble commanders of both sides will even toast each other and commend each other's dashing skills in the previous war. There is little need for genocides or using forbidden weapons in a knightly duel of two oppossing mercenary armies led by noble lords.

People's armies, on the other hand, fight and kill because of perceived threats to their way of lives, artfully constructed by the rulers through hate- and gore-propaganda that dehumalizes the respective enemy into baby-eaters and savages. The only result is savagery, use of forbidden weapons, war-crimes and genocides, as people and soldiers do not fight for limited political interests anymore, but for rooting out a perceived mortal threat to their very lives.
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>>151608087
>literally 100+ years of war caused by the "my God is better than your God" autism
>30% of the population dead
>gee guys, why don't you care for religion much?
I fucking wonder.
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>>151607285
>Although I would read manga about America's fight for independence with Wa-chan murdering tea-sipping werewolfs.
There's a civil war manga with a black guy killing white devil vampires
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>>151612652
Communism did fuck all. Just look at the rest of the former Eastern block; they're all neck deep in religion again. Bohemia had been rather indifferent towards all things holy ever since The Battle of White Mountain and everything it brought.
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>>151618214
Your ideas are too unrealistic. War is money, since humans lived in the wild wars have existed, it's nothing new.
In democratic counstries there are wars, in communist countries there are wars, etc.
Stop acting like an edgy kid.
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>>151618765
No really.

The only age where rules of warfare ever worked kinda well was the pre-napolean era.

Musketmen of the line werent even allowed to aim at officers and pardon was mostly given to an uniformed enemy combattant who surrendered. Noble officers from one kingdom served in the armies of another kingdom (the imperial russian court was known to have a lot german officers), even if it meant that they could fight against their own "countrymen" one day. This worked, because they actually didnt see their "countrymen" as such. After the war, the officers were free to offer their services to another kingdom - maybe even the one they fought before. People had not feelings of nationalism and no attachment to anything outside their class and/or town.

Then came the people's revolutions of France and people turned into rabid zealots who gave no pardon to "enemies of the people", who fought for their "country" and identified not with their class or feudal lord, but wih something entirely constructed: The "Nation".

Fighting for a "Nation" is something scary. You identify yourself with something that has a mythical, semi-religious meaning and which commands you to smite all who stand before it without mercy, because "Nation" apparently means You and Your loved ones. You give no pardon and kill even the women and children of the enemy nation who is threatening your soil. You use forbidden weapons and aim specifically at noble officers, since they are the enemy of all people. You do everything to win, because now your life depends on it, and not just the political objectives and byzantine affairs of a far-detached Lord.

And thus, war became fucking babaric. This is why the 20th century became the century of deliberately planned and organized genocides,

Because nothing removes the "threat to your people" better than to simply remove the source of that threat; the existance of another ethnic group that is apparently contesting your Lebensraum.
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>>151619289
>People had not feelings of nationalism and no attachment to anything outside their class and/or town.
If you are going to talk about the good wars, then tell me about how as every country had cruel wars they had good wars.
And guess what, edgyshit, humans need an identity, morals to stay together as a society. Nacionalism can be a good thing, ironically Murika is the country that wants to sell the idea of being multicultural, but its nacionalism is pure shit (with some exceptions). While countries like Egipt got rip of its shitty government thanks to nacionalism.
Any ideology can be bad or good or both at the same time. People just need to make peace with that and get rip of poverty, bad parenting. Those are the source of today's world's problems.
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>>151618214
lol
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>>151619289
can you send me a link to the primary sources documenting your claims?
what you're saying sounds fantastic, so either give a source or fuck off to /pol/ where they can lap up your bullshit horatio hornblower wet dream
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>>151621008
simply learn fucking history.

Nationalism began with the French Revolution and spread like cancer around europe and the world.

One of the reason why the revolutionary armies of France, and later the Grand Army of Napoleon was so strong compared to their foes was that they fought for their nation and their "civil rights" and not just for money and some lord they didnt have any relations to.

Nothing romantic about it.
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>>151621008
His ideas would get ridiculed on /pol/.
For good reason.
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>>151600623
Do you have any idea what bit of history this is based on? It's a crusade, the peasants were fighting for their lives, heavily outnumbered
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>>151621153
here's your (you), goalpost-head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TLto-nKfU
either be off-topic with good sources to read, or talk about japanese comics. there is no middle ground
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>>151621204
>hurrrredpill

nationalism and democracy is cancer.

it literally turns the predator that kills just one lamb to satiate his hunger, into an animal that kills all lambs because they are subhumans/need to be democratized/converted to some political ideology etc.

nationalism makes every petty squabble into some fucking personal business.

Just look at /int/ and especially /pol/, which people roleplaying their countries like retards.
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>>151615032
It's because the Samurai in Japan could do anything so Nips think that it was the same everywhere
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>>151619289
>Mount Stupid: The Post

I take it you've had one class/watched a documentary/read a book about the French Revolutionary Wars, and now you think you are an expert on the entire of european military history?
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>>151621873
Are you just being post-truth because it goes against your feelings and alt-right ideology or do you have better information?
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>>151621008
It is almost universally accepted that nationalism really took off in the 19th century. Prior to this, people would see themselves as subjects of a monarch, rather than as citizens of a nation state. In this image you see the Hapsburg Empire at its peak under Charles V. There were no Austrian, Dutch or Spanish nations, there was only the rule of the Hapsburg as per the divine right of kings.

The ideas and ideology of the liberal revolution that swept through France in the 19th century was a direct result of the Protestant victories throughout Europe. With the bible translated into English, literacy soared. With literacy enlightenment values spread from the nobility and the landed to the common man. If the pope was no longer infallible, the same would inevitably apply to the absolute monarchs of the time.

It is important to note that while liberalism did lead to the spread of democracy, it was by no means inevitable. Some of the most prominent liberal thinks, such as Hobbes, were entirely against democracy. Napoleon himself ruled as a dictator and a monarch despite spreading his liberal civic code across the continent.

If you require a source, visit any library and pick out a book on political theory.
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>>151602432
>implying this is historically accurate
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excuse can I inquire about the location of the chapter 8 of this manga?
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>>151618325
And it is hilarious. Would recommend.
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>>151577616
I wish this was manga was more character driven (e.g. Vinland Saga)
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>>151622391
I got the feeling that the characters are just being fleshed out.

Seeing the cover of Volume 7, it seems that it will focus on a few recurring characters amongs the lolis.
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>>151621153
>Nationalism began with the French Revolution
It actually is generally agreed to begin with the Peace of Westphalia and perhaps had started steaming up as early as Luther's Reformation with his calls for a German Church.
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>>151622391
>A viking boy falls in love with farming.
>Unable to find a farm, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the farms whereabouts.
>Never minding the strange location, he immediately sets sail to find it
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>>151621949
That was quite a leap, I'm not sure how you managed to get "Alt-Right" from my post.

You just did the classic thing of taking one tiny bit of history, and a line you probably got from a book, and stretching it out and acting like it sums up some groundbreaking change in the way everything worked, like you just stumbled upon some huge fucking secret.

Nationalism didn't magically make wars more brutal. What is much more interesting is to look at how the brief exceptions to the rule (like the formalised enlightenment era wars you are talking about), or the condottieri in Italy came about. You don't even need a "scary" idea like that for utter brutality, it's easy to find countless examples of massacres, pillaging, slaughtering of prisoners of war in unremarkable conflicts throughout history. Besides, nationalism is really just another way to tap into human tribalism, "Us Vs Them" is hardwired into our brains. What really changed around the period you were talking about was the way states operated and related to their populace.
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>>151622018
>It is almost universally accepted that nationalism really took off in the 19th century. Prior to this, people would see themselves as subjects of a monarch, rather than as citizens of a nation state. In this image you see the Hapsburg Empire at its peak under Charles V. There were no Austrian, Dutch or Spanish nations, there was only the rule of the Hapsburg as per the divine right of kings.

This is an extremely outdated point of view accepted by pretty much nobody in academics. Nationalism didn't magically appear with the French revolution. It was a gradual process starting in the middle ages. While -political- nationalism is very much a 19th and 20th century thing, people most certainly called themselves and others French, Austrians or Spanish (with some subtleties for peripheral territories). For example Machiavel 1532 work, The Prince, not only call people "French", "Spaniards", "Germans" the same way we do now but the author is a proto-Italian nationalist arguing for the unification of all Italians in a single state.
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>>151622018
>The ideas and ideology of the liberal revolution that swept through France in the 19th century was a direct result of the Protestant victories throughout Europe. With the bible translated into English, literacy soared

Okay you are just literally memeing now.

Either you are b8ing on purpose or I take back what I said before: you didn't read a book on this, you skim-read one wikipedia article. A few years ago.
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>>151622553
I honestly forgot we were on /a/ until you made this post
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>>151585592
I don't know what the FUCK is going on here.
Poland and Lithuania were Catholic. Why are they on the Hussite side?
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>>151607551
>Is this historical accurate?
Always assume that Japanese manga and accuracy to Western history do not fucking mix together, EVER.
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>bohemian rapesody
that guys d was brutal
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>>151622669
Because crusades, almost without exception, are complete clusterfucks that form the most embarrassing part of christian history. Plebs focus on the cool bit where they won Jerusalem, but know nothing about the countless other crusades that followed throughout the medieval period.
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>>151622018
this isn't your sophomore polisci course and we are not paid to coddle your feelings till you graduate. Read actual history books from multiple authors and start reading primary sources.
Or continue being an incorrect cunt.
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>>151622626
Luther as well, he advocated for a german-headed church specifically for Germania.
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>>151622626
Not that hilarious cunt you were replying to, but the italian example you gave is really interesting. The Italic League was in many ways an early attempt at "Italy", but like you said there was no concept of political nationalism in the late 18th/19th century idea of it then - there was no idea a matching italian state should exist alongside the national identity they held. Fuck, part of the clusterfuck that was the Italian Wars actually involved a call to kick the French out of italy and reclaim it for the Italians (ironically from the Pope who had invited the French to invade in the first place, because Italian Wars).
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>>151622562
Massacres happen all the time, you are right. But to describe Nationalism as merely a spinoff of tribalism is wrong on so many counts, as it ignores the idea of mass popular participation in politics, as well as the concept of popular legitimacy for decisionmaking

I do not say that massacres do not happen if there is no nationalism or democracy, and that wars arent brutal when fought by noblemen and their cohorts of mercs, but I say that a war is much more all-encompassing when you can only declare a war against an enemy after you have legitimized that war infront of your own people.

Ordinary people do not want to fight wars. In the pre-democratic/nationalist eras, the feudal lord can simply order a war to be declared without even having to explain it to his subjects. He simply tax them very hard, raise an army of men who are only motivated by money, commanded by a few vassals motivated by personal loyalty or liegeship, and immediately start to wage war. You do not even have to demonize your enemy infront of your subjects, because their opinion on your campaign or the enemy is entirely irrelevant. The war can end as fast as it is started once the goal is met.

But in a democratic/nationalist system, you cant just do that. The necessity of war still exists, since resource scarcity and conflicts of interests between groups still persist. But now, the "Lord" - now an elected head of state, whose legitimacy of rule does not depend on liegeship or divine right, but on popular legitimacy - has a lot harder time to get his people in favor to the wars his country has to inevitably fight. People with a say now have to be asked for their opinion first, before going to war. And ordinary people do not see any reason to kill ordinary people living in the neighboring country (or in some middle eastern shithole). So, they first have to be conditioned to hate them so that they will vote for war, or at least tolerate a war. Once war breaks out it gets hard to contain.
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>>151618214
>This level of 'enlightened intelligence'

Go back to whatever hole you came from
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>>151622882
Yeah, this was one of the major reasons why the protestantism got so much following in the northern Germany/Netherlands, which were disillusioned with the "HRE" and the Austrian leadership.

There's also the amount of bullshit that Frederick I had to go through to be allowed to call himself the "king in Prussia". The european kingdoms, especially the later ones, were essentially nation-states but derived their legitimacy from the divine right rather than ethnic composition.

And even before that we have this lady, who is considered to be the mother of nationalism as a discourse. Granted, the original anon was right that the civic nationalism really kicked off with the Great French Revolution, but it didn't appear overnight. Nationalism became a form of organization of the political life because it was deeply rooted in the collective opinion (also as a part of the increased political consciousness), not the other way around.
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>>151623223
All I can do is to echo the other anons and suggest you actually read a history book or two and stop fantasising about how you think history TOTALLY went yourself based off wikipedia articles.
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>>151617429
You bet your Catholic killing ass they are.
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>>151578576
>actual proper flail usage by peasents

So nice to see this instead of the goofy ball and chain flail that was probably never actually used on a battlefield.
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>>151623223
>as it ignores the idea of mass popular participation in politics, as well as the concept of popular legitimacy for decisionmaking
Yeah that's why the PEOPLE OF South Germany / Baravia were pretty opposed to the NGF and Germany before the FP War despite being "all Germans"...
Can you just read a fucking book for once?
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>>151623571
And? Did their opposition do anything?

Bavaria belongs to Germany since then last time I checked.
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>>151623633
>mass popular participation
>but apparently what the People wanted counted for shit-all
Truly forces me to contemplate...
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>>151583971
He played better politics than Jan. He had several Holy Roman Princes who protected him and he recognized the importance of art and architecture to boost Protestant prestige. Jan Hus was also on the fringe of the HRE where the politics were less complex. The Pope had lost authority gradually amongst a lot of the northern Germanic areas due to pursuit of free trade circumventing church protocols and traditional taxations. Also while Hungary had interest in expansionist policies at the time, Austria was busy with France and Italian ambitions which already had more of their investment.
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>>151623571
What exactly are you trying to say?

That the Bavarians, who got steam-rolled, hated the Prussians? Anything else new?
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>>151623773
>implying

It was because North Germany is populated by Saxons, who are one half of what makes up the Eternal Anglo

Perfidiousness is in their blood
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>>151621008

Ernest Gellner, Nations and Nationalism (1983) is a good book to start with.

That anon isnt wrong in saying that Nationalism is an entirely constructed concept. Because it actually is, as it serves an important function for the increasingly industrializing countries of the late 18th and 19th centuries.

Butthurt people dont want to realize that their "love" for his "nation" is nothing but an artificial idea planted into their heads via standardized education and propaganda so that he can be made an interchangable worker for the modern industry.
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As usual, the best discussions on 4chan happens to be either completely off-topic, or merely tangently related to the subject, or a combination of the above.

I for one, still stick to my point about how stupid it is to have a manga being seemingly grounded and loosely based in historic events, but still have hand cannons that violate the third law of motion.
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>>151624102
I love the amounts of leaps of logic you made here. Modern nationalism didn't grow from centuries of developing different identities and changes in the way states were defined and operated coming together with enlightenment ideas; it was all thought up by someone at one single point in history to make factory workers somehow easier to acquire.
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>>151624336
What are you talking about? The history is fuzzy in this manga but the weapons are historical.
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>>151622562
>Catherine the Great, Czar of Russia, originally a "german"
>The Georges of England, originally "germans"
>Maximilian I of Mexico, originally an "austrian"
>Half of imperial Russia's officer corps being German
>exception of the rule

Now, would 20th centruy nationalist europe tolerate that foreigners leads your "sacred nation" and its "people's army" into war as kings and generals?

Nigger, this shit can only work because of the "cosmopolitan" and anti-nationalist culture of the nobility back then. You can claim to see proto-nationalism in prehistoric cave-carvings all you want, and it still wont be true that your favorite "country" and "nation" was just a bunch of illiterate peasant rabble who didnt even know how his "people" were called .
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>>151624410
>but the weapons are historical.
More like completely impossible outside of outward appearance.

Look at panel where the loli shoots a knight in the face, and the bullet not only has enough energy to blow a 10cm hole in a helmet, but it also somehow completely lacks recoil, and then tell me which fire gun from that period (or any other in history) matches this description.

''Historical'' my ass.
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>>151624636
Royal houses in medieval europe married with each other for political reasons, and sometimes entire countries passed over in control due to it, right. How is that anything to do with the discussion?

Peoples who share language, religion, culture have always self identified with eachother, the reaction to see foreigners as different and even alien is completely human. You seem to have completely misunderstood what the nationalisms of the last few centuries consisted in. And don't bring in 20th century nationalism as well, that is a completely different kettle of fish, mixed up with all those weird late 19th century ideas of race theory.

You problem is you want to conflate and combine and simplify everything to fit the theory you either read of in the one history book you've read in your life, or made up yourself.
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>>151624779
where would be a good video of reproduction fire guns being used?
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>>151577616
>Mangahere
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>>151624368
Concepts of nationalism wasnt even possible in a time when people felt no kinship with anyone outsides their immediate village or town, let alone with some strange thing called "nation".

This has very simple structural reasons; The ordinary villager's entire life was contained within 5km radius around his village or community. Only the very fewest could ever muster the resources necessary to travel beyond that - either due to lack of transports (horses were expensive), lack of roads and/or threat of getting killed along the way by robbers and random faggots.

Now, how is "nationalism" possible if you dont even know what your "people" are?

Shit only began to make sense when industrialization kicked in and the monarchic states could muster the resources to build roads and connect population centers with each other, fasciliating exchanges and communication between people. The rulers at that time didnt do that for any other faggy reason but to enhance their economies and control over the furthest parts of their realm. And to do this (and to prevent some far-away governor to simple rebel), the rulers needed some common identity to forge a "nation" together.
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>>151624779
It's a real weapon, called a píšťala, the first mass used handgun in warfare apparently. I have no idea where you are getting "No recoil" from. The wounds are obviously exaggerated to make everything seem cooler, but this is a manga.
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>>151607527
I'm aroused.
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>>151624940
So, from "no books" to at least "one book" now?

Great.

Still, the "cosmopolitan" nobility was accepted at that time, despite their "double crossings" by serving in the army of one lord, and then serving in the forces of the other king that he fought last year. The people themselves didnt complain - or at least werent for long.
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>>151625040
>nationalism happened because "monarchic states" built some roads

Where do you get this shit from? It's amazing. You should go into fantasy writing; you've already got an entire alternative history of europe you've invented, just swap the names out and put a dragon or two in and you're set.
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>>151625040
hey asshole I've got a different canard you can start frothing with.
Racism was invented by the Portuguese and Spaniards in 16th century to create a cohesive ideology for the disparate groups they would send out to colonize
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>>151625252
You sure have a talent to reduce everything to a strawman.

What I'm trying to say is that it was the basic structural change coming along with industrialization and the required infrastructure and bureaucracy that made some sort of common identity necessary.

In a pre-modern society, there was little exchange outside of very inefficient trade, because every village and town was basically self-sufficient with his own bakeries, blacksmiths, brewers etc. trade itself was prohibitively expensive, not only because of shit infrastructure and transports, but also because of the customs and borders of all the tiny feudal fiefdoms between you and your destinaton.

this is absolutely unacceptable for any country that is trying to industrialize, because industrialization requires long supply chains and infrastructure. If your musket-factory lies 10km from the nearest coal-mine and 20km from the nearest ore-mine, you are fucked if you dont build roads. And if your factory grows larger than you have professional gun-smiths who are still doing it the medieval way by apprenticeship and artisan guilds, you have to invest in a common educational system to make surplus farmers and surplus bakers into potential workers who can operate the machinery in those factories. And to fasciliate a common education, you first need to have a fucking common language (and that's the hardest part).

One thing leads to another, and then you have constructed yourself the basics for nationalism.
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>>151625154
I'm aware of the gun it was modeled after, but it wasn't nearly as powerful.

And yes, the panel where the little kid uses it clearly indicates this is a magical gun that basically ignores basic physics.

>The wounds are obviously exaggerated to make everything seem cooler, but this is a manga.
And I would normally let something like this slide, but this is manga that depicts historical events (albeit in a loosely manner), where things are more or less grounded (e.g. there is no magic or superpowers to justify superhuman feats)

So when a gun is powerful enough to simulate the damage a high caliber modern weapon would inflict, and yet it can be used safely by a 70 pound little girl without any trouble, forgive me if that shakes my suspension of disbelief.
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>Manga about Hussites, featuring rape and early gunpowder tactics

Neat, now I just need a manga about Cathars, full of frantic chases, daring escapes, sex, and violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Y0cuz0mw
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>>151625185
What the fuck are you even talking about now, you just seem to be arguing with yourself. You are the only one talking about "double crossings". There is some middle ground between having absolutely zero concept of national identity and 1930s Germany.

I've told you like five times now, but you need to stop generalising so much and grasping at grand narratives. The history of nationalism is way more nuanced (and interesting) than the one you made up. During the entire Medieval Period, the Byzantine Empire was still there: Romans calling themselves Romans. Certain countries at various times toyed with ideas that look like nationalism, such as England and France during and after the 100 Years War, where "us vs them" aligned by the end of it with a foreign people who spoke a different language, etc, and those ideas passed into popular culture. Many of the most cosmopolitan parts of europe were the most nationalistic - traders were one of the few classes of people who actually did see other peoples and deal with them on a day to day basis, and they tended to keep this strong idea of their own culture and identity wherever they went. I challenge you to find a single thing about the Republic of Venice that lacks the definition of a nationalistic nation state - and they were the most cosmopolitan city in Europe.

What I'm trying to convey is history is fucking complicated, and you should always leave your pet theories at the door, round about until you are penning your doctorate.
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>>151625613
I wasn't joking, I really like how good you are at just making shit up that you think sounds cool and then repeating it with a straight face, this was the best bit this time:
>but also because of the customs and borders of all the tiny feudal fiefdoms between you and your destinaton.
Though I really like this bit too:
> you have to invest in a common educational system to make surplus farmers and surplus bakers into potential workers who can operate the machinery in those factories. And to fasciliate a common education, you first need to have a fucking common language (and that's the hardest part).

Honestly though where are you getting this shit from? I want to live in your adorable fantasy version of europe.
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I am not vary familiar of the medieval history and culture.
Could someone tells me what's the reason for the medieval
Catholic and Christian to be so brutal and sadistic and seems to love murdering and raping so much ?

We seldom see the chruch in medieval time do anything good both in fictions and historical record,
unlike most of the morden Church that while may have some contaversy, are mostly good people and doing good things that help others.
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>>151626112
Sweet jesus.
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>>151626028
I think you are the one who didnt read a single book. I noticed this before, but now it is certain.

The modenrist and structuralist theories of nationalism is fucking mainstream and you should know them before even writing anything.

Goddamn. Read Eriksen, Gellner, Anderson, Hall, Özkirimli to name a few.
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>>151626028
>>151626182
To add;

>the social organisation of agrarian society, however, is not at all favorable to the nationalist principle, to the convergence of political and cultural units, and to the homogeneity and school-transmitted nature of culture within each political unit (Gellner, 1983, 38-39).”

tl;dr

industrialization is the father of nationalism.
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>>151626182
You are deflecting again. Why don't you ever defend your actual historical examples that you keep making up? The one where national education systems came about to teach farmers how to operate machinery in factories. When exactly did this happen, where? It's so goofy, I love it.
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>>151626182
god you fucking poli sci people are obnoxious. Stop grandstanding over the anecdotes of circlejerking tertiary academics. Read some history books; history's not a fucking logic puzzle that you can minecraft europe out of.
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>>151607285
Personally I think combining myth and history like this works really well. And be honest, we both know the reason is just to get based Žižka in there, and also have a story about cute girls doing cute (war) things.
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>>151626182
Not to be rude, but what country do you come from? English clearly isn't your first language and whatever country you are from seems to be 30-40 years behind academically.
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>>151577616

>This makes me horny

hentai was a mistake
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>>151626182
btw if you ever want to derail military history the way you've done this thread, you can dick-ride clausewitz into victory in any conflict
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>>151622669
Because crusades were not even once about religion.
It sounds nicer to yell "DEUS VULT" instead of "FOR MONEY AND BITCHES!".
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>letting a shitty manga dictate your opinion on a group of people
Must be nice being 14. Do you think Mormons are creepy because of South Park too?
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>>151629279
The fact that you believe it was never about religion is laughable. Read a fucking book, cunt. You can come back after you pass high school.
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>>151623571
The cool people of souther germany (swabians, franks and badians) had no problem with prussia. Well aside the badians once but they fucked up so hard that time that it barely counts.
Bavaria (excluding the frankish parts) was just butthurt that austria with whom they had close cultural ties did not anschluss them.
The state that prevented that was Prussia.

Prussia later paid all their debts, which were insane. Bavarias part of the deal was to join the good damn nation.

Sadly shutting the fuck up wasn't part of the deal, so we have those shitstains still around pretending to be relevant without the other members. Members which made Bavaria fucking rich...

>Bavaria, not even once
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>>151626037
Everyone did at that time.
Religious organizations were and are grey things, you have the people who really want to do good for their next ones on one side and monsters like mother Theresa on the other.

And religion lends itself very well to justify war.

Couple that with the fact that most people did not know people outside their village, so did not give a fuck about them and were dirt poor.

Enjoy.
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>>151600623
It depends on their circumstances. More often than not, peasants were the heavier casualties. Either way, the situation of a singular knight fighting a band of peasants is pretty unrealistic. Knights rolled around in entourages, they always brought the boys. They had better training, better equipment and better odds.
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>>151614620
>Implying the 100 million number isn't accurate.
>Implying the death of natives from communicable diseases wasn't intentional.
>Implying natives aren't people.
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>>151629400
The fact that you actually believe it was mostly about religion is a joke in itself.

1. Crusade: ERE wanted troops. Got a shitload of fanatics and people in for glory/loot/bitches a generation later. Levante was conquered but not given back to ERE (at least they got much of anatolia back).
Italy grew filthy rich from trade with the new crusader states, by extention the vatican.
2. Crusade: Money machine is in danger, save it!
3. Cusade: gib shekel
4. Crusade: ERE asks for support, can't pay debts. Lets sack ERE!

Later Crusades:
Attempts of plundering Egypt among other funny things.
We want land!
Knightly winter holidays in the baltics.

Religion mostly took a back seat if any.
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I want /pol/ and /his/ to go and stay go
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>>151626112

If only we had more like him.
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>>151630223
Urban II is generally believed to have actually been motivated out of zeal, since when it gets down to it he doesn't have much to gain from the Crusade besides strengthening the ERE.
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>>151605188
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>>151608399

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>>151577616
>Bohemian Rape

Its that like Bohemian beer? It was a particular flavor or consistency? It goes down well with biscuits or some other appetizer?
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