S2 confirmed. MC is the girl
Sword of Oratoria =/= S2. Sword of Oratoria starts before the main series chronologically.
Sword of Oratoria is darker and has much more action than the main series.
If Aiz is going to be the main character she must have a far more interesting backstory than I would have assumed from watching the previous series.
It is clearly ok to pick up boys in a dungeon
What you see of Ais in the main series is basically only a persona that she projects around civilians. the Loki familia is composed almost entirely of Berserkers, only Finn, Riveria, and Lefiya are exceptions.
it looks nothing like kamachi
You mean why does it look like Raildex?
Best girl coming throu gh
It's a spin-off you mong and it was confirmed ages ago.
Will there be any best girl in this series?
Lefiy Master Race!
bah, the character don't look cute
Nope, those are different worlds. Sword Oratoria has the same characters (but different main characters) and the same setting/world. A better comparison would be Index and Railgun.
>Cut out the personality-devoid self-insert protagonist
>It's actually good
Also autistic girls are cute.
>"autistic girls are cute"
so, what you're basically saying is even though Ais is a "personality-devoid-self-insert protagonist", it's fine because she's a girl?
Will they have a battle as epic as the minotaur fight? No they won't, cause Aiz is an OP mary sue and the studio isn't gonna bother with good animation when the MC can kill everything offscreen in 1-2 slices.
The series is gonna suck, can't wait till a real season 2 comes out.
>The same as personality devoid
Not really no.
Also, I think I'm far from alone in being sick of generic harem protagonists that are only generic for the sake of making self-inserting easier. Nothing against harems per se, but I prefer my protagonists a bit less generic.
>Will they have a battle as epic as the minotaur fight?
Yeah, Aiz vs Udaeus.
>No they won't, cause Aiz is an OP mary sue
And Udaeus is an OP level 6 demon lord.
>The series is gonna suck
>replace Bell with dull as shit Elf Girl
>remove continuing insight into the ongoing keikaku's
The action is pretty good, I guess. But I don't think there will be anything as operator as Bell vs the Minotaur in it.
>Aiz vs Udaeus
Boring. Minotaur vs Bell was spot on because they were evenly matched, and both of them were desperately using every means at their disposal to live. It was the completion of Bel's overcoming of his own trauma, and worked on both a physical and narrative sense.
Udaeus was a literal overgrown Spartoi who Aiz was hunting for her level up.
I would be happy if wasn't because I know it will be a bore festival filled with meeting npcs, praising how awesome she is instead of showing how awesome she is, and eating cakes and drinking tea.
>Udaeus was a literal overgrown Spartoi who Aiz was hunting for her level up.
Yeah, but why does she want to level up so desperately that she tries to solo a level 6 floor boss that it took the whole Loki familia to defeat before? That's part of her ongoing internal conflict, you know? Bell has his shit to overcome, but Aiz has her own issues too.
Besides the thing was stronger than her, so it was pretty cool just for the action. I hope they'll animate it properly.
Eh. It still lacks the personal connection Bell and the Minotaur had. It also doesn't have the same desperation to it. The minotaur was just as desperate as Bell to win, whereas Udaeus just kind of acts like a monster.
I don't know, the problem with Aiz and Lefiya is that they have much the same character arc as Bell's (wanting to grow stronger/wanting to match someone). There's differences, but not enough to make it feel truly separate. But his is done much better, particularly as he started genuinely weak, as opposed to the story starting at level 3+.
Sorry but I think you're just biased. Aiz was fighting as desperatly as Bell, if not even more so.
And no, Aiz's character arc isn't the same as Bell's at all. Sure both want to get stronger, but Aiz is conflicted about it. Part of her just want to go on adventures, like Bell, while the other it's a darker, more desperate need to get stronger, which probably has to do with some traumatic event in her past (something related to her mother). The conflict between these two sides inside Aiz is the real main point of her character arc.
I give you that Lefiya's arc is more similar to Bell, but that's about it.
>Aiz vs Udaeus
You are being delusional, this show is not gonna have the slightest plot, it is going to be Aiz showing the elf the basics for 12 episode filler.
I think you misread what I wrote. Aiz was desperate. The Udaeus wasn't, not in the same way. That minotaur was almost human in it's emotions, which might explain
it becoming Asterius.
Fights are made cool by both parties, not just one.
And it's harder to emphasize with that need for strength when Aiz is already in the top 10-20 in Oratario. I mean, yeah, the desire is just as valid, but there's less oomph.
no idea. Her character arc is pretty shitty and is basically 'muh parents are dead'. The SoL bits would be ok if Lefiya wasn't there and if she wasn't even more boring.
Also, the Loki familia really need to decide if they want to be assholes or decent people.
>The Udaeus wasn't
It didn't have to. It just had to be an OP motherfucking monster that can give Aiz a run for her money, because the fight is all about Aiz, about why she's doing something so stupid, and why even though she wants to get stronger so much, part of her feels like she's losing something else, a part of herself, as she getsstronger.
>base a series around a girl who doesn't even get a third of the fanart
Railgun made some sense, as Mikoto was a genuine ensemble darkhorse.
The only non-protagonist with that kind of popularity is Hestia, and you can't really make a full spin-off based around her since she's always around Bell anyway.
hestia is to the danmachi franchise to what index is to to aru while vanilla ais's comparable is biribiri. tl;dr oratoria (like railgun) is a shitton more fun and interesting than danmachi (index).
Loki familia was one of the top groups, leading the exploration, but that doesn't mean the individual strengh of their members has to be in the top too.
Aiz was their first lv6 ever.
The difference is biribiri has an actual personality and interesting background and solo adventures
>oratoria (like railgun) is a shitton more fun and interesting than danmachi (index).
This is the kind of thought that is killing the anime industry, when a show about girls doing nothing for 20 episodes is more appreciated that a show about magic and a guy punching witch nuns in the face you know something somewhere is broken.
If this means that the shota (old man)captain will get higher chances of getting a dungeon rape doujin then I'm all in.
>a guy punching witch nuns in the face you know something somewhere is broken.
railgun had better fight scenes, better use of powers, better ANIMATED fight scenes, and overall better art consistency and quality than that QUALITY fest budget tier shit show index
Except they're absolutely bullshitting. On average, a mainline Danmachi novel sells 4-6 times as much as a Sword Oratario spin-off.
As an example, Danmachi volume 10 sold 77,000 normal copies and 24,000 limited edition on it's first week.
Oratario volume 7 sold 17.5k normal and 10 k limited on it's first week.
Danmachi sales also tend to remain decent for much longer.
>Series that got an anime sells more than the spinoff of that series that hasn't gotten an anime yet
Holy crackers, you've got a point!
>It's based on the spin-off
Jesus christ, does that mean we have to put up with that retarded elf? I actually dropped the manga because of her, despite really enjoying the main franchise.
I fully expect shitty animation and for this to barely survive being a flop due to hardcore main series fans.
Yes it delves into SoL a bit more, but most of the time it does advance the plot as a result.
Index has.... bad plot direct half the time. Railgun has a direct story plot and direction. Index tends to get too wrapped up in its own story to get anything done.
>A well-done spin-off can't be more popular than the original
Happens all the time. Sometimes unintentionally. Oratario is not a well-done spin-off and the majority of it's sales are from dedicated fans of the main series.
>Happens all the time.
I think it's actually pretty rare.
Besides having an anime adaptation can increase LN or manga sales quite a bit too. I think we better wait until after Sword Oratoria anime to make sale number comparisons.
Sailor Moon anime.
Only one's I know for sure off the top of my head in anime, but there's tons more examples in western media like Warhammer 40,000., Happy Days etc etc.
You're talking like Oratario didn't get a massive boost from it as well.
Prior to the anime, it was selling 7k regular and 1k limited.
Don't get me wrong. I expect sales to rise. But if they even double from where they are, I'll be incredibly impressed.
I'll watch it for the hestia cameos.
Use google to actually look up who ends up showing in character polls representing the series and the position they are in. Aiz is always higher up then Hestia. The only thing Hestia got going for her because of the anime is porn. The people who actually buy the original LN's don't rate her all that high.
Ainz's official power rank in Oratoria is 3.
The only character more powerful directly is Ottar, but the author said that Rivera could win 50/50 right now and if Fels unleashed his whole armory, he could win against anyone, though only guaranteed once.
An ancient mage/alchemist who created a flawed philosopher's stone that made him immortal, and also a Lich.
He's not that great at direct combat, but he has a shitload of magical items that he made over the years to make up for that.
He's also the only wielder of resurrection magic in the entire setting and probably the most skilled healer around.
Either it's not a poll or it's an anime only poll, though even with an anime poll these rankings would make no sense, I think it's just some chibi art I have seen somewhere before. In terms of popularity Ryu is right behind Aiz and Bell. Finn too perhaps.
This is bullshit. Welf has never been that popular.
Wait a minute, if no one likes Bell because beta male, if no one likes Hestia, if no one likes Aizutist...then why the hell people watched the anime?
Who are you guys watching the series for then?
It's almost like people have different opinions and 4chan is a hive of shitposting.
I like Bell. I think his character is pretty cool most of the time, and more importantly, consistent.
I like Hestia, because I like the clingy jealous girl archetype.
I also like Aiz, but not enough to want to watch a full series based about her. She works best kept distant from the action.
I'm not even him. Both of you are pulling shit out of your asses, but at least he posted a nice picture.
You're just saying that your favorite characters rank higher and telling people to google polls that don't seem to be there.
>but not enough to want to watch a full series based about her
Personally I don't mind who is the MC I liked this universe, like pretty much any high fantasy anime, and I would watch any series set in that universe regardless of who is the main character.
I think the appealing of Danmachi wasn't the characters or the story, but the setting.
I am not the one who told him to google poll and I know this pic is not one. This pic is from a Danmachi omake(Days of Goddess IIRC). Even on the wiki you can see it as a pic which just represents some characters. Welf and Mikoto have never been above Ryu in popularity. And a supporting character like Miach even less.
Yeah, and I agreed with him on that. I said it was a nice picture. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was the picture made for the anime's release.
But he's not providing any evidence either, so he can stop pretending his opinion is fact as well until he does.
>She works best kept distant from the action.
It depends on what sort of action do you like. If watching a newbie going up the ranks is your thing, then Aiz would definitely not work for you. For those who just wants to see a powerful MC kicking major ass, Aiz does the job just fine.
>Why do people hate this?
no shitty generic male MC
no shitty meme string waifu
Blank cardboard MC
brown twins almost have no screentime at all
Annoying noob elf excuse for exposition
Anon, I have never tired to prove that my opinion is fact. The one with his "poll" si the one who did. Anyone with a brain would understand that this is bullshit when someone like Miach can be above Ryu and Syr is not even present.
Worked for SAO.
The main character role is split between her and an elf mage training to replace the guild's top mage. She's still kind of boring, but her backstory is more interesting than you'd think and the events they deal with are far better than going deeper into the dungeon.
Its mostly the /u/ crowd which likes this
Their biggest complaint about the series was the male MC
Even though the underdog Bell is a lot more interesting than the Mary Stu doll
There's nothing interesting about Bell. He's like any fake underdog harem MC out there, down to the fact that despite being the "underdog" he improves faster than anyone, managing to accomplish in months what took Aiz years to achieve. Underdog or not, he's the most special snow flake in the series.
You're mistaking a character's traits for what makes them interesting, as opposed to the writing and presentation of those traits.
I mean, take Hei. He's a Ninja with electric powers and Batman's gadgets. He's the only Contractor with no remuneration. Basically every female he interacts with falls in love with him.
But he's still a popular and interesting character.
>You're mistaking a character's traits for what makes them interesting, as opposed to the writing and presentation of those traits.
I'm not, but what makes a character interesting is not just their personality. It's the whole package that includes their backstory, character arc, presentation and so on.
He'd be so lucky.
Railgun is on the doorstep of the point where we'll be seeing Misaka deliberately inserting herself into Touma's adventures. Anyone who thinks Touma should stay out of Railgun should prepare to tear their hair out in frustration.
>Bell appeals to a significant number of people.
Sure, but >>151575160's argument that "the underdog Bell is a lot more interesting than the Mary Stu doll" still makes no sense because despite being the so called underdog, Bell's abnormal improvident basically makes him a Gary Stu as well.
True, but he starts from a lower place to begin with. The idea of starting from a low position and working your way upwards very quickly is a popular power fantasy, since the astonishment generated in the setting by said progress is part of the appeal. It's extremely common, and not bad if the justification for such is consistent. Isekai is a typical example of this.
Basically, people don't just like underdogs. They like to see the underdog win.
True. But the story focuses a lot more on him than is typical of the genre, and the only romance that plays a consistent part is Bell's unrequited love of Aiz, which is also atypical. so it probably plays a bigger role than usual.
That's because like the author said once, Mikoto being powerful makes it harder to write her story without making the antagonist with plot devices, as spills and the like to not be ass kicked by Mikoto.
That's why we got
>AIM Burst can regenerate itself fast
>Accelerator can't be hurt so Mikoto had to be saved
>Mikoto was mind hacked so she had to be saved
>A robot with consciousness who of course is weak against electric powers
And most of the time it's secondary characters taking the spotlight away from Mikoto.
That's why he uses Touma, Shiage, Cripplelerator, Qwenser etc as MCs.
We will finally find out how big Loki's cock is?
It's almost like better is a subjective term, particularly in a work produced for the sake of enjoyment.
To be fair, the main series is starting to nudge into that, what with Welf's magic swords being strong enough to drive back level 5+ adventurers and Asterius beating back both the amazon sisters at once before tanking a charged Argonaut attack.
Still trying to figure how Danmachi wardrobe works.
They stick the clothes with glue or something? Because there is no way that open unbelted skirt can be in place without falling.
Yes, Leffiya is deep in love on Aiz
she also had some romantic relationship with Filvis
with this character design it will be hard make Aiz smile like this
Shouldn't Lefiya have leveled up after the end of Oratoria Manga chapter 28? You level up after you break through your limitations and do something heroic, right?
>you will never test loki in a wind tunnel
LNfriends always say this, but somehow EVERY TIME the "interesting" stuff never transitions well to the anime. People said GGO (SAO) would be great, back before it aired.
I've learned the hard way not to take anything LNfags say seriously. I'm pretty sure most of you haven't even watched 100 series.
Never ever listen to LNfags. There just ESLfags who can't even read moon who get mistranslated spoilers on animesuki so they can pretend to be not secondaries. They're an aggressive mix of retardation and shit taste.
She used to do silence moe in the past
Yeah but in Oratoria is more blatantly evident.
Asteroid was an oddity in the original Bell hot his ass handef by while in SO is the "norm" and you can't beat them unless you're a ultra special snow flake.
It is just bonus story, not actual spinoff like Oratoria. Ryu won this poll to get bonus story about herxBell.
No, that's old new, the past month she also got her spin off called Danmachi Grand Casino that is yet to be published but you van see the drafts and more on the official blog.
It has more fan service with the twins, Loki, Aids, Lefiya and even Elfmom compared to the main series with just Hestia, Bell and Lily and the occasional girl of the arc.
I hope they cut it down.
Hey Mugs, are you making "KumiRei Kills Asuka" right now? I mean, Asuka killed your OTP.
Lili> The brown twins > Hestia > Ryu > Half Elf > Freya > slutty goddess > Aiz > samurai > samurai support > a cat is fine too
I don't remember a single interesting character from the first season. Why do they think that a spinoff about the supporting cast would be any better? I also remember a lot of contrived writing. It's pretty much going to be the same shit, but with a stoic FeMC. Naturally, the more shallow and simpled-minded among us will eat this up.
>Expecting yuri from clearly a harem anime
Is this faggot for real? I hope this anime removes all yuri and give Bell more screentime so he can get triggered again like when he followed Hibike.
Anon...I wont say its yuri, because it isn't, but the Yuri undertones are strong in the spinoff