Loving all the S;G threads lately.
Discuss about the new game, the upcoming anime, or waifus.
Are we going to be shortchanged with a shitty adaptation forced to fit in 12 episodes?
I've already given up on chaos;child because of this. I don't want my Maho to suffer the same fate.
>You will NEVER have a wife that will love you unconditionally in any worldline and give her life for your sake every single time
Pretty much this for me. I liked Maho a lot and I am not even a fan of dwarves.
That part where he leapt 3000 fucking times should've been in the game - like with Mayuri, some dumb shit that would stop him should have happened along the way. Or we're shown how Kurisu's ghost guides him onward constantly. That actual journey would've made the game almost as good as the original. To be as good as the original, it needed to let me interact more with Amadeus, like near that X-mas party. Amadeus was underdeveloped and was a fucking plot device in most cases. Also fix Kagari, ffs. She was fucking trash in almost all routes except Goose, where she got at least SOME development.
Maho is flawed, but not in the waifubait way Kurisu is. Kurisu has daddy issues and falls for Okabe just because of Hoouin's antics. Maho fell for the weaker, broken Okabe. I'm sure she'd get along fine with Kyoma. Shame we didn't see most of that. Do you think they fucked in honor of Kurisu even one time during those 1x years?
I pretty much agree with the weirdness of Kagari being radically different in both routes and Amadeus really being kind of meaningless other than just a download for memories.
Anyone know how well Maho was received by the Nips? Did they ever do one of those popularity polls that they usually do for SG0?
Just want to know if she's popular enough to warrant seeing more content of her in the future.
I will continue to hold a grudge for since Maho barely got any romantic development in her own route. The most we got was admitted she loved Okabe and that wasn't even in her own route for fuck's sake.
Twin Automata a shit. Fucking Mayuri and Kurisu had development on romance than Maho. Maybe if Kagari's nonsense didn't exist we'd have an extra route for Maho.
As much I hate to admit, didn't help that even after she died her fucking shadow continued to haunt him with Amadeus.
I love the dwarf though, so I can only hope she gets route in a future fandisc. I'd it's possible given how much they're milking the series anyway.
She has a good enough amount in-game that it makes me happy enough.
why was he suddenly wearing a black jacket here? assuming this was the worldline where he was still kyouma?
He probably stopped being Kyouma in the Alpha Worldline and took Mayuris death as hard as he did with Kurisus in the Beta Worldline. In a sense he would have been just as responsible for Mayuri dying as it was for Kurisu.
Some of them are OK but others look like ass and it seems like Huke just phoned it in this time.
Fucking hated how they used character sprites from the first game with 0 sprites. You can cleary see a style difference from a mile away and it looks jarring. Fuck them for being lazy
That's a reasonable interpretation. Kudos.
I just made it all up on the spot but it sounds good enough.
Kurisu won a lot of hearts when the anime aired, still the most loved character. I remember when people gathered in the thread to make this mosaic.
Alpha Suzuha grew up in a world where emotions, individuality, and freedom were suppressed, leading to a desire to experience life and have the happy everyday that people experienced before SERN. She wants to be alive.
Beta Suzuha grew up in a world at war where death runs rampant and combat is around every corner. She wants to not die. It looks alike but it's a very different desire.
Have a HQ rip from the game, look at your pic makes me angry.
It should get a 2 cour adaptation
So I can get my Phantasm ending theme. Fuck you MAGES
There's no unconditional love. The two of them could have easily never met. Kurisu would have continued studying in America and gotten together with whomever helped her get over her daddy issues first. Saying 'unconditionally' implies necessity, and necessity implies something of the world not something within it, so it's never about facts.
can someone fill me in? just finished watching Steins gate yesterday and had to say the series was very satisfying especially the end where the
best girl wonBut what exactly is SG0? Is the original ending still canon (is that even the right word?) or SG0 is just another timeline?
the end where Okabe got a video D-mail from himself in the future to set him onto Operation Skuld? It's the story of that Okabe.
On the most part it supplements the end, and shows a few more possibilities (bad ends) that could have happened. It's more about expanding the setting.
The Alpha and Beta attractor fields are the main stage of Steins;Gate and 0, and in both fields and their respective worldlines they will always meet so take that with you champ.
Infinite worldlines dependent on divergence values but in both they still meet, through RTF meeting in the radio building. So yeah, tough shit for you.
i see so sg0 is a new timeline/setting where he does not
get his future self's d-mailWhich creates this new scenario where kurisuwas not saved. So the original end is still a true ending (one on the best timeline) and was just not retconned then correct?
I see that makes perfect sense now. Just got worried they were going to pull a sort of E7 and ruin the ending just for the sake of a new series which in E7s case was very shitty one.
0 could've been such a better game if it did the shit it set out to do right. As I mentioned above, having more interactions with Amadeus, making Kagari not a waste of human flesh, and expanding upon those stupid 3000 leaps that Okabe did. Like that would've been the meat of the game, the part with the most suffering, had anything bad happened along the way, and he has to watch Maho or someone die over and over again in each leap or something. SG0 was supposed to be about the suffering, but it failed to dish out enough of it. I hope some of this gets fixed in the anime, but it probably won't.
You're right, I'm not arguing against that, they have to meet within those two worldlines, but they could have easily just not met outside of those. Notice how the guy I replied to said 'any worldline'. If they don't meet in at least one, it's not unconditional senpai.
>older than her best friend
>the guy she likes sacrificied everything to get with her best friend
I want to say it's because of her personality and her flaws. She isn't perfect like Kurisu so most of her development is living in the shadow of a genius. She also has great chemistry with Okabe as she is the only other person who is suffering as much as Okabe.
Kurisu likes Okabe because he is like her father. But Kyouma isn't Okabe.
Kyouma is what Okabr wishes he was; a confident and arrogant genius, who is also a good leader.
Okabe could be that, but he is in fact a shy and hid behind this persona.
And let's be honest, there is no way Kurisu and Okabe would be a functional relationship in the long run. You wouldn't expect that from 20 years old young adults but still.
>Kurisu likes Okabe because he is like her father.
Okabe and Kurisu's dad are not similar at all, and Kurisu only started falling for Okabe after she realized Kyouma was just a persona and he had more depth than that.
Also Okabe is so hot even the guys want him.
Nakabachi is a guy who fought for his ideas his whole life despite having everyone against him. In the end he became crazy but still.
Kyouma has this same resolve.
Kurisu definitely didn't fall for the "real" Okabe. If he completely dropped his fake persona, she would miss it.
She didn't suffer enough. Here's what her end should've been - insert the part where she falls in love with Okabe somewhere here, then Okabe does what he does and starts leaping back the 3 gorillion times. Now insert Maho starting to die(somehow) and its the Mayuri death comp all over again. Insert various Stratfor-Darpa related troubles during the leaps, and some choice where Okabe needs to bite the bullet and keep leaping and seeing Maho die, or he just pussies out like he did at the beginning with Kurisu, and findsa way to go into a worldline where he can't save Kurisu but Maho doesn't die. There, they're having a hollow relationship where Okabe doesn't see her as herself, but as Kurisu's replacement, someone to seek solace from. She finds this out and starts suffering, knowing that even when dead, Kurisu is better than her. But unlike Kurisu, she doesn't have the mental strength to make Okabe wake up at the cost of her life, so this painful relationship continues until they both eventually get captured by stratfor and are tortured until they die or become vegetables. Now that's suffering.
She'd miss Kyouma because it's a defining part of who Okabe.
How can you say she fell in love with an over-exaggerated mad scientist screaming random stuff? It just makes no sense. The first moments in which she is shown blushing and/or shy towards Okabe is always when he's being serious and leaving the Kyouma persona behind.
You notice the difference in attitudes when Kurisu talks to Kyoma and Maho? She's her real self only when talking and fighting around with Kyoma. She doesn't show her flaws and weaknesses in front of Maho, who's at the normie level Okabe is.
>She'd miss Kyouma because it's a defining part of who Okabe.
Not really. Kyouma is not something he will always have. nor something he always had.
It started as a way to help Mayuri cope, but it went for something else.
When you act as someone you're not, you don't become that person, you eventually lose yourself.
>The first moments in which she is shown blushing and/or shy towards Okabe is always when he's being serious and leaving the Kyouma persona behind.
Yeah because he shows a different aspect of himself, completing with Kyouma persona.
She basically sees a sensitive version of her father. She has daddy issues, and wants her father to love her so bad.
You act differently around some people, it doesn't mean you're not your true self. She doesn't act when she is with Maho.
Okabe just revealed a different side of herself.
>She has daddy issues, and wants her father to love her so bad.
This is definitely true, but it doesn't necessarily mean she fell for Okabe because she reminded her of her father.
My personal opinion is simply that she met someone who got her into a world in which she could finally be herself, in which she was treated as a person and a precious friend.
She met someone who'd treat her in a different way from her father and her research colleagues. Okabe didn't want her because she was a genius girl. Okabe didn't hate her because she was smarter than him: he didn't give a shit, he teased her as if she were nothing but a random brat, she called her names, she dragged her along in crazy antics, she let her know friends she could actually appreciate.
This fucker nearly ran over Kagari TWICE. Why does anyone even bother getting a time machine? Just use truck kun to destroy your enemies.
Is there anything that covers Okabe's time in the committee of 300?
there is the manga who is incomplete and a drama cd. I thik the name is Babel of the Grieving Maze or something like that.
It explans that Kurisu and Faris have history, and that their fathers were friends. I think it ends with Kurisu running to Okabe before he uses the IBM5100
A drama cd who was turned into video. Forgot the name. Okabe ends in a worldline where he is a rounder but he can't remebers why because he's not from this worldline.
However it makes no sense in continuity because Okabe ends in a peaceful worldine after sending a d-mail, so you don't really know the context on why and how he ended there.
They are not cosmic lovers. I can't even see their relationship working in the long run.
So Kagari and Yuki are supposed to be the same person in some worldlines Kagari where gets plastic surgery + voice manipulation to match Yuki? And in the wordlines where Kagari doesn't then Yuki is still in Europe?
I mean an OFFICIAL translation, not some fan patch. I've had way to much trouble with getting jap games to run properly on fan patches and such. I'd rather pay a little extra to get the game from steam and have it working immediately instead wasting time trying to make it work. Also I want to support the industry to make them bring over more of the good stuff.
You are retarded and you missed the point of the entire VN. Okabe IS HOUOUIN KYOUMA. Okabe isn't acting. He BELIEVES what he SPOUTS.
There is not a made up facade. HE WANTED TO BE STRONGER SO HE SUPPORTED MAYURI. He changed since that moment.
Now, 0kabe IS a facade. He hides his urges and reprimes himself. That's what made him suffer the most.
Kurisu likes the real Okabe. Maho got interested in him even though he tried to supress his true personality. Maho didn't get interested in his depressed side, but his determined and "considerate" traits.
Gamma Drama CD, Hyde of the Dark Dimension. We only get a few lines from Suzuha about what Gamma Okabe does, and it's told from the perspective of mainline Okabe so he has no idea about his Gamma possibility at all.
>However it makes no sense in continuity because Okabe ends in a peaceful worldine after sending a d-mail, so you don't really know the context on why and how he ended there.
He sends a different D-Mail to Lukako's mom, and she ends up telling a SERN-related affiliate about it, and they essentially get a leg up resulting in a different kind of dystopia after the Y2K successfully results in many deaths.
Gamma diverges in the year 2000 from Alpha and Beta, in other words.
>Okabe isn't acting. He BELIEVES what he SPOUTS.
I mostly agree with your post, but how can you think he fully believes to be a MAD SCIENTISTO when he himself makes fun of his future self still fucking around with "El psy congroo" and "operation skuld"?
It's an important part of him that started off as a facade to support Mayuri and later evolved into a part of him he cannot let go, but saying Okabe IS Kyouma is just retarded.
He is aware of Kyoma being like that, but chooses to be him most of the time, before shit started going south. Then Kyoma is sealed away during his filthy normie period, and is (shittily) reawakened when he finally finds his spine and resolve. When Okabe broke, Kyoma went away. Bur Kurisu liked Kyoma with his wild bullshit, more than normie Okabe. Maho liked Normie Okabe, and was baffled by Kyoma.
>he himself makes fun of his future self
Have you ever got insecure when observing yourself being filmed?
>It's an important part of him that started off as a facade to support Mayuri and later evolved into a part of him he cannot let go, but saying Okabe IS Kyouma is just retarded.
Kyouma is the real one. I agree with the evolved part you said, but the fact that he sometimes "becomes" self-aware is simply because social pressure. He doesn't have an unwavering will nor confidence yet he camouflages it with his ego. That's why Kurisu "doesn't" get interested in "Kyouma", but actually "Kyouma"(Real Okabe) is passionated, he is determined when he needs to be, and cautelous when treating delicate matters (except that pussy grab thing).
Maybe, a 7% of Kyouma is pretended, but it's the same when you ask yourself about decisions.
Kurisu didn't fall in love with Okabe because of his Kyouma persona. She fell in love with Okabe, and found Kyouma an interesting part of him.
His crazy antics didn't have much on an effect on her until she saw the person behind Kyouma in those few intimate moments they shared.
Kyouma's teasing and the way they annoyed each other was probably a lot of fun to her, who was torn between her busy life, her daddy issues and her researches, but she didn't fall for Okabe because of that. She fell for him because she knew there was someone behind that persona, someone she resonated with, and that she also probably found attractive.
chill dude, the main point was not having to patch the game myself and ultimately run throught the trouble of something not working (Almost always the case with everything i've played) Also there's the part about supporting the developers.
But I didn't know it was ripped from the english patch though.
So, in one of the branches, Yuki never was around at all. She was on an exchange program, and Kagari was filling in for her to try and coax Suzuha in to giving up, and was also the biker.
The other route Yuki actually was around, but there was some false flagging like the arm thing when Suzuha hit the biker, and when Kagari was captured after the brainwashing music lured her out. So she was totally just a fake out in that route? Who was the biker, Judy? She just happened to hurt her arm in the same place?
You don't get it. Kyouma is what Okabe calls his "badass" traits. His failed attempt of "mad scientist" self is actually an amorphous part of his entire identity.
She fell for him for his determined and passionated traits. If he actually wasn't passionate she wouldn't talk to him in the first place, after he complains about Nakabachi. He tells what he thinks. That's interesting.
The determined part is what made her fall for him the most. That's a side effect of being Hououin Kyouma. If the determination part were a facade, he would have thrown his "facade" after the hacking part.
Also, he got interested in her too. He cared about her. That's why he started acting more intimate when dealing with Kurisu, and all those moments made Kurisu feel secure and calm, making the affection come a lot easier.
The fact that he is annoying when speaking out loud is normal. But he likes to do it. He is interesting too. She may dislike his loud voice moments, but eventually she starts liking it a bit. And that's a great way to determine she is a
well designed character. ;_;
No it wasn't butchered, the translation itself was fine.
Absolutely. They should have included an entire fucking game's length with the original release, are you fucking retarded? Stop trying to justify your piracy and just do it.
From the disappointingly average sales of Chaos;Child and the burning hot sales of Steins;Gate 0, I think 5pb. is just practicing good business at this point and playing to the audience.
Explain this, nerds.
Gehenna's Stigma divergence ratio different from V&A'sone
Once again, I mostly agree, but not completely.
That part of Okabe is what got her interested in him, not what made her fall in love with him. Love can't be build on something as fickle as that, however I do agree the positive traits shown through Kyouma were definitely big part of what made her fall for him.
With this I don't mean she saw Kyouma as a "fake" him. She probably came to like Kyouma, but only because she liked Okabe in his entirety, not because "Kyouma is so passionate and determinated, he makes me all wet!".
The game was butchered. Kagari was useless. Maho was underused. Leskinen was underdeveloped. Fubuki was underused. Amadeus and the phone were GROSSLY underused, when the phone was super important in the original. 3000 leaps never got expanded upon. All of these things point to a rushed and cut release, given the fact that you could use Amadeus for a while near X-mas, then never again. The choices were fucking retarded and left too much to the imagination. The art was garbage. No fanservice of Kagari, the character with the monster titties. Moeka got shafted and used as a plot device in almost all routes. Its like a buch of different people wrote each route, which led to the jumbled fucking mess that came out.
>Shit should've been in the original anyways.
You're absolutely right, what's ultimately a side story that spans the entire length of the first game and wasn't conceived of years after the first games original release should have been part of the original package.
I didn't realise it was possible to have your head stuck so far up your ass.
Got you, phamilia.
You have to dl each separate part at shitty speeds though. Its all prepatched and you just run it through the launcher when done.
It could have been included and you know it. Might've been cut down and without the new (wasted) characters, but it would've worked. Jews just left it like that for sequelbait, which it ultimately became.
Are you gay, by any chance? We had fanservice of Mayuri, Kurisu, Maho, Moeka, Suzuha but not even fanservice of Kagari to make her even a bit useful? Why give her ginormous titties then?
Not everything is done out of malice, I seriously doubt that they had the storyline for Steins;Gate 0 written out only to go "No, we can release this down the road years later!"
Besides, the game has enough content in it to justify it being its own thing, while I certainly agree that some characters are underused if you condense everything down to a single arc that'd fit in Steins;Gate then all the impact would be lost.
This may surprise you anon, but sometimes girls just happen to have large breasts.
Besides it's probably done just to emphasise that she has grown up since Suzuha last saw her. She's no longer this frightened trembling child, she's now a fully grown woman with murderous intent and her voluptuousness only goes to emphasise how different she is now.
>Kyouma is so passionate and determinated, he makes me all wet!
I only disagree with the part that you call "Kyouma" the Okabe who yells and acts so arrogant and almighty. Actually, if you read the VN, he thinks the same way the whole VN, and he changes quickly his behaviour through repressed conclusions and telling himself repetitively "it doesn't work" "don't do it" "it's useless".
You can quote what they say or interpret as Kyouma; Kurisu is also confused about liking Okabe.
Kurisu a best.
But you can't literally butcher a part of your behavior and call it "X" because human psyche will surprise you then.
What can we do but dream and post over here?
If they were doing to just give it the 12 epispde cashgrab treatment I really doubt they would have bothered with that Beta ONA that came out a while back. White Fox are the only studio that treats a Sci:ADV entry with respect.
I just made a point if at least using her for fanservice, if for nothing else, you dumb cuckboy. Would've at least made her a bit better, cause right now, she might as well have not existed.
>I seriously doubt that they had the storyline for Steins;Gate 0 written out only to go "No, we can release this down the road years later!
Epigraph, the LN Steins;Gate 0 based from, was released in 2013 and pretty much functions as a side story at first.
Hell, even Epigraph take its inspiration from Beta drama CD.
Her is justified since it makes Okabe doubt whether or not he should really bring Kurisu back to life. While I agree her character isn't exactly the most compelling, she does add something to the overall story and I think that 0 would be worse off without her.
Even IF she served absolutely no purpose to the plot, giving her fanservice scenes would just be a bigger detriment than a plus. If you want to jack off to Kagari then just go to pixiv, you'll be spoiled rotten.
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>Her is justified since
Her inclusion is
I can't believe I missed these
Thank god normalfag Okabe is banished to oblivion. He looks like such a generic japanese schoolboy MC, it's unbearable.
At least keep the stylishly messy hair and lab coat you insane mad scientist.
I wouldn't mind Okabe sporting something similar to this though, but keep his hair.
So, I watched Stein's Gate, but it was crap and made no sense, so I came to one of these threads and said that it was crap and made no sense and of course you idiots all defended it, and anyway, I decided to give it another chance. It was a lot better the second time because I actually watched episode one this time, and I figured I had just watched episode six or something by mistake and that's why nothing made sense. But now I've finished the show, and you know what? The episode of Stein's Gate that I saw never popped up again. How unusual, don't you think?
>At least keep the stylishly messy hair
Well, he seemingly did in the LN.
>He ditched his meme spouting and senseless yelling. He stopped acting.
>He literally is a raised clown.
>Suddenly he was "acting"
Nope. He STARTED forcing himself to stop thinking like he normally does. He forced himself to stop being so deluded. He forced himself to be more dedicate in a single matter: saving Mayuri. He despised his past self, identifying it as the cause of Mayuri's death. Then the same happened with Kurisu's death.
You can't call arbitrarily his past behavior, a "false" one.
Also, he literally starts acting like 0kabe after a lot of self-repression and suffering.
You can't make this shit up, famalam.
>It was a lot better the second time because I actually watched episode one this time, and I figured I had just watched episode six or something by mistake and that's why nothing made sense.
What the fuck am I reading
Thought what I wanted to call your dumb ass, so I chose that. Would you prefer "stupid fucking triplenigger" instead?
Gay shit aside, her very existence was a detriment. They didn't know what the fuck to do with her. I swear the entire story of 0 was written by several different people working separately.
she herself believes it, at that time daru should have punched her instead of okabe
I'll be honest and ask the thread.
Am I the only one who thinks that 'The Promised Rinascimento' [Kurisu Route] was the best ending in S;G 0?
From the guidebook.
Can't remember the full detail, but basically Naotaka Hayashi and the writer of Epigraph, Takimoto Masashi, works on Altair branch, while two other writers work on Rinascimento branch.
I dunno, I love Vega & Altair more.
What would Okabe feel if they pulled a *insert name of that one stupid Boku dake ga inai machi NTRshit here* at the end of the original, and he ends up seeing Kurisu walking around pregnant with another dude? Would he accept being kekked, fly into a murderous rage, or just break down completely and kill himself?
Your scenario is stupid and remarkably unpleasant, but Okabe is a young man who knew Kurisu for all of three weeks +time shenanigans and steeled himself mentally for her to not care about him in the Beta attractor field.
He'd move on and probably get into a relationship with Mayuri, Maho, or Faris (with a slim possibility for Moeka). Darling shows his heart is pretty open when you get down to it.
>Kurisu walking around pregnant with another dude
that's impossible anyway wwww
He did it for her life, not for her love. So long as she isn't dead, he's fine.
Now, if Mayuri or Kurisu were to die suddenly in the Steins;Gate worldline, he would be fucking obliterated and either kill himself or seek the complete destruction of time.
>wanting to fuck anyone other than japanese shaman girl
He went full nuclear when Mayuri dies of ass cancer in gamma, yeah? Had he met Kurisu there? Heard something about her not meeting him until he killed some Yuropoor dude in front of her.
too bad all timelines converge so that Leskinen never sees japanese shaman girls
>no doujin where Okabe dies and Daru fucks and impregnates all of the Labmems
>cut back to present time and there's all kinds of alter-suzuhas running around, wanting to find their dad and have sex with him
>while Okabe sits in a corner and watches
WHAT WORLDLINE DOES CHAOS;HEAD TAKE PLACE IN?
They've met and she is a labmem, but they didn't become close friends. Also, it was a Europol agent.
Honestly, more people should just experience Gamma. It's short and excellent and Steiner and WhyNot worked hard making the most excellent VN-movie about it.
0 Faris must feel so lonely. She probably teared up irl here
I want to have Maho and Kurisu talk dirty to me in english
On top of the clusterfuck that was the story it also should have included far more post WW3 stuff if they wanted it to end with the 2025 D-mail. The True End just sort of jumps in right in your face with a "it's been a real long journey but now we're here" bullshit.
Did you cry while playing S;G 0 anon?
I cried pretty hard when okabe was reading mayuri's message about Orihime and Hikoboshi
Honestly I didn't find it nearly as emotionally investing as the original, didn't even really feel sad most of the time. Nothing will top
Suzuha's failure letter or in Mayuri's ending having Okabe agree that there was never a 4th lab mem
I never fully cried but I did tear up a bunch.
There were many feels to be had. Those feels were reals.
I was tearing up quite a lot during the VN, but the most notable time was during the Amadeus deletion scene in Twin Automata. In addition when I listened to the Amadeus song a couple of days after I finished 0 I spontaneously started tearing up as well.
>Kurisu is rocking the hell out of those hotpants
Considering it is set in 2009 before the world line is ever noticeably altered, 1.130246. Or a value very close to that, and any drift was undetected by Okabe between 2009 and 2010 (enough that would make him notice an aberration).
That's some damn good fanservice even if it makes no sense whatsoever.
I know this has probably been discussed before but doesn't the very existence of the divergence meter contradict the concept of only one world line being active? I know previous world lines can effect the present one via D-mails but the 0% world line is never even observed so how can the meter even exist let alone tell the different world lines?
The way I took it is that if the divergence meter exists in Okabe's time it means that the world went to shit at some point later and Suzuha still went back in time but maybe not with Okabe in mind that time.
Because future Okabe figured out how to measure divergence from a fixed point of reference rather than one that is in constant and subjective flux. He wouldn't necessarily have to have experienced 0.000000 himself.
Changed it since the previous translation didn't make much sense in the conversations, fucking untranslateable words
It's such a versatile word of politeness that it's hard to do a singular translation
It's just what I inferred. I'm not familiar with the manga you're referencing so I can't really comment on that.
Once attractor field theory is finalized by 2025, there must be scientific means to calculate other possibilities and Okabe makes a device for himself to observe the current calculation.
Except Okabe makes the meter in 2021, not 2025.
But what make the 0% world line so special? It just seems like an arbitrary world line one that Okabe never technically even observes and therefore has never actually existed.
So what do you want/expect from the next Steins;Gate VN?
It seems likely that they're going to make more when you consider how much SG content they've already made and since it still sells while the other Science Adventure games tend to flop.
Even earlier, then. It stands to reason he'd be at the forefront of attractor field theory's development. Plus, he has a working model already available to him to study. (Predestination is not paradoxical due to convergent results.)
Nothing, considering Omega is set in the negative values. Sometimes you have to place a value arbitrarily, like 0 degrees celsius.
It isn't apart from being a reference point. I'd just assume that Okabe has a far greater understanding of the temporal structure of the universe in 2021.
Either Anti-Committee activity or something relatively peaceful following 1.048596's Okabe and Kurisu.
Something beyond the true ending of the first.
Im tired of "what ifs", I want to know what happens in the Steins Gate time line.
SERN and the Rounders are still a problem, and we need to get out of 2010-2011 and get a game with an older lab crew
It just seems so weird to have something so important be so arbitrary. Wouldn't it have made more since to use the original world line as the base? Do we even know what the original world line was like?
It's no more or less arbitrary than reference points in other scales.
Theoretically, the Planck length is an objectively meaningful point of reference for distance. Anything that occurs on a scale smaller than it is unobservable and therefore irrelevant. Half a Planck length is meaningless data.
Same for 0 kelvin which is no thermal activity whatsoever. However, the kelvin units themselves are arbitrary.
Why? Every single measurement in real life is completely arbitrary.
I don't know enough to argue Planck length. It still feels arbitrary in the sense that you could just bisect it, even if it would be kind of pointless.
Okabe has already proven his willingness to become a parent at an early age so it just depends on Kurisu's capacity to do the same.
Even if there is no "why" it still doesn't explain "how". The 0% divergence is never observed by the Okabe we know which means it has never existed as more than a theoretical possibility
>I don't know enough to argue Planck length. It still feels arbitrary in the sense that you could just bisect it, even if it would be kind of pointless.
While you "could" mathematically, going beneath the scale abruptly deprives you of information. You can't detect anything of half a Planck length, nor can it affect reality in any determinable way. It's the fundamental opposite of a realboot (something that "responds to all observations" and therefore is equivalent to reality); it is utterly unobservable and therefore may as well be nonexistent. You cannot extract data from it; the only thing that could be there is what you pretend is there.
Anything smaller makes no logical sense to even attribute existence.
Theoretical possibilities can be calculated, since Zero Okabe had to calculate the Steins;Gate value somehow.
It's probably super science.
So they somehow developed a way to calculate which arbitrary set of numbers coincidences with an arbitrary set of circumstances which define a world line in an infinite set of possibilities and they chose some random world line as their frame of reference? Seems completely retarded from both a meta perspective and a character one.
You know what would be really cruel?
They just end up having a long distance relationship for a few years and slowly drift apart, like what was going to have happened in Antimatter.
Arbitrary doesn't mean thoughtless. There was a reason why he chose that specific line. There'd have to be if he ended up choosing the same one in multiple worldlines.
Why? That's no less arbitrary than the current 0.000000.
It takes less time than watching 3 episodes of anything, and about as much time as a long movie to just go watch/listen to the Alpha, Beta, and Gamma drama CD's. They are worth the time.
The current reference point makes things much tidier than one based on his original worldline would. Attractor fields are marked by whole percentage points going up and down. It's a lot easier to work with than what you're suggesting.
Consider that they're already labeled Alpha, Betta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, and Omega by the time Okabe understands what divergence even is.
Why wouldn't Alpha begin at 0.000000? And then Beta, Gamma, and Delta count up from there in order, following the greek alphabet.
I don't think Okabe ever accurately grasped the existence of Omega which is why it results in a corrupt first digit.
STOP USING THAT AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR ANYTHING. JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY DOESN'T MAKE IT GOOD. HOLY FUCK
>it was supposed to have thirty minutes of dolphin screeches on a strobe background in the season finale
Literally who gives a fuck if it's shit on purpose or by mistake? It's still shit.
They've been doing that with other SciAdv entries like Robotics;Notes.
Scales should be geared toward usability more than anything else. What Okabe did with the divergence meter's reference point makes complete sense.
>SERN and the Rounders are still a problem
Not really. Rounders are only an issue if you have a time machine or an IBN5100. They're completely harmless and actually pretty polite people if not.
Otherwise, though, god help you.
While SERN is extremely unethical, it's thought that their time travel division shuts down from a lack of progress in the SG worldline. It's the Committee that's the problem, and the SciADV series as a whole is war against them.
But since the series does have this structure it's a completely sensible approach for him.
I cried like a bitch in the original, I even get teary now that I just remember it, when Okabe suceeds in operation Skuld and is frantically doing a speech of how Kurisu was sacrificed to save Mayuri and how they escaped SERN, but everyone just thinks it's his usual nonesense. Fuck.
Unfortunately not quite as good as Gamma. Steiner started working with someone other than WhyNot to put out equivalent versions, but the last couple times anyone has asked him about them, he's said that they're stalled at the moment.
They are nonetheless worth watching. Beta in particular is considered "required listening" for S;G 0 by some people.
It works well for what it's supposed to do which is give the readers a way to differentiate the various world lines.However from an objective stand point there are several things wrong with it, such as designating the default attractor field as beta instead of alpha. Even then I wouldn't have a problem if they ever actually give some kind of reason as to why they chose the particular world line.
There is no default attractor field though. The reason he made 0.000000 correspond to Alpha is that he came up with it in Alpha.
One could argue that the attractor field Okabe starts in would be the default one since he hasn't done any time changes, but there is still Suzuha so even then we can't be sure that the universe starts on that one.
I don't really think it's possible for us to ever know what the "original" worldline was.
World lines are constantly changing when there's no observer around to record them. Before 2000 with Okabe's mysterious turn-of-the-millennium fever, we have no known observers to record alterations in the timeline.
And even then there's nothing guaranteeing Okabe would notice a world line shift if it didn't directly impact the Akihabara area. He'd just feel a mild disorientation and nothing would be different at all.
If only one world line exists at a time and all world line changes have a cause than theoretically you could go from one world line to the previous one until you end up at the original.
Due to how divergence is affected by past travel I think it's impossible to work backwards to find the original.
It fills in a sizable gap in the story. It's a canon entry.
It's not that "time travel is never invented", it's that "time travel is not produced on a mass scale and used to determine the history of humanity [dating back at least to 2010]". Time travel may be invented later, but it won't be used to control the planet, or if it is, the controlling will only begin in 2011 (which honestly makes no sense at all so that's probably not gonna happen either).
>Beta in particular is considered "required listening" for S;G 0 by some people
Only the climax/ending of it is important, as the rest of the drama CD is pretty much similar to S;G 0.
It can always be reinvented. The Nakabachi thesis was made, just burned. Kurisu still has it all in her head, and Okabe could probably jury rig a second Microwave Ophone since he knows all the major pieces.
With an unobserved future, what they do is up to them.
I can't see Okabe doing it unless tragedy befalls him, but that would just be rehashing the plotline of Steins;Gate and ruining the happy ending, so I'm pretty sure everyone hopes they don't do that.
I'd say Alpha is worth checking out too. All of them are really. I also liked the jokey Comptiq CDs.
I think what Antimatter was implying was more a lack of it having gone anywhere than any drifting apart. Sort of like how the movie presented it. Neither of them really knowing where or how to take it but also not wanting to drop it.
I must confess that it's been a long while since I read the promo blurb for it so I wouldn't be surprised if I'd misinterpreted it slightly.
>fucking dishonest to Okabe
Get fucked. Maho is second best girl. He should have embraced that while he stuggled to save his main squeeze in a timeline that his memories will never enter. There's no reason for both of them to suffer when they're already doing all they can for a different okabe to smash kurisu.
No, no, this broken man driven only by his attachment to Kurisu and the hope of a better future for Mayuri is totally going to take on a side bitch.
Speaking of, why did moeka and Braun get involved in mayrui route? Why would they kill Kagari?
Just a moment though, wasn't the meter supposed to be relative to the timeline that made it initially? How the fuck have they all been running off the same meter unless future Alpha okabe has been causally linked through the events of the game.
Who you are, not we. Zero okabe is inherently different to s;g Okabe. S;g was never broken, not really. He never had to doubt himself, not really. Zero okabe spent years trying to save the past, yes, but he knew it was for someone else, not him. In fact, he made sure his reading stiener wouldn't active if you noticed.
I don't think you made the point you think you did. If Okabe in Zero could just let go of Kurisu he wouldn't be half the husk of a man that he is. It would be incredibly out of character for him to decide to fuck Maho.
The story of the Beta worldline was probably best left implied.
History is smattered with stories of people who fall into relationships with others over grief of their lost one.
Further, he never wanted Mayuri and that still fucked him up to the point of killing Kurisu. He was still a husk when he decided to stay in alpha which means that state isn't inherently romantic.
>The story of the Beta worldline was probably best left implied
No I think it was fine (and not finished yet anyway). They've left another opening. The left game will be "S;G back to the Mayuri" with her Okabe and Suzuha having adventures in the past/future trying to get hom so Mayuri can open Stiens Gate.
Maybe because Okabe threatening Braun makes him scrutinise what's happening with the lab more closely? Braun doesn't really have a reason to watch them in Beta until he gets threatened.
Gehenna's Stigma, Mayuri's message and
that Alpha world lineall made me cry like a bitch.
>save the maho end as the last of the lesser ends i'll play (non kurisu/true end)
>it's basically a romance between maho and moeka of all people
>main character is barely involved
Why is this allowed?
You were tricked my friend. At least it was the most interesting non-true end. That Kurisu steiner.
You shut your mouth. How dare you compare α to β.
>nerverous amish girl who wants to learn to love the world
>dad-con who wants her uncle to get in the fucking robot, her dad to get laid and everyone to leave her alone
hmmm she's middling between Chie and βSuzuha. Either slot her in between or make her equal with one of them. I'm not too sure.
Her performance in 0 was lack luster if we're honest. She was really great in S;G though.
I thought about it and it wouldn't be a terrible idea. Not some twisted NTR shit but rather he found out that she has a boyfriend or loves someone else or is plainly not interested. And he has to overcome his personal feelings and still have to save her but not for his sake. He would eventually move on at the end but he would suffer for a while. It's not like they are especially destined to love each other no matter what happens.
After sending Luka's D-Mail SERN heard about the page Luka's mom got, altering the worldline. He probably send a different, easier to understand message to the pager to get back to normal
Fuck's sake cunts
Kyouma is a Jungian persona
Personae are not "acts", they are elaborate performances that humans perform to retain their sanity. A person is not just the incoherent wretch behind the personae they wear, a person is the sum of all their personae and that which lies beneath it. Actions are as meaningful as intent psychologically speaking.
You can be more than your persona but you cannot deny your persona is part of you, that is just nonsensical
Probably best not to think too hard about the RINE emoticons, there are several that don't make much sense
He never is intended to.
Do you people only watch the anime? The VN made it clear that his phone was off the very first time he started rambling about the Organization. He's just having fun.
Kyouma is a character, one Okabe plays to reinforce his sanity, vent frustrations, and channel some willpower/morale now and then.
>Bought Steins;gate for $14
Fucking worth it. Steins;gate 0 Steam release when
Yeah but so is Kyouma. His truth is being a slack but inquisitive loser. Both prim and proper normal faggotry and NYHAHAHAHA Kyouma are exagerations of his personality when he wouldn't otherwise be able to cope with the events unfolding around him.
No I wanted Okabe to stop putting Kurisu on a pedestal. It would have given a plot point where you can changes his perception of her and now have to decide to not do it for her and him but for her and the whole world. He put his personal feelings aside because he has to.
But yeah I think Maho and Okabe would make a better pairing in the long run. No way Okabe and Kurisu would last together. Look at what was supposed to happen in Antimatter.
Are these some early development screenshots? I don't recognize these stickers
Maybe they are trying to fix the bugs of the vita version first since people can actually refund on steam
Both Kyouma and Zero Okabe are an act. In Zero, white trying to change Okabe loses himself. He wants to become someone the society perceives as normal but loses his personality in the process. Kyouma is what he wishes he really was, but with exaggeration.
The real Okabe is a regular shy boy, he's not an extravagant and arrogant guy. But he's not a normalfag either.
I'm bitching about Sony's strategy in general.
Not about the science adventure VNs.
Mainly too much /v/ has made me hate sony, and sony gamers irrationally. Not proud of it, but it's w.e.
What ever happened to the rest of these? I'm missing Suzuha's I think
>But yeah I think Maho and Okabe would make a better pairing in the long run
okabe and kurisu have better chemistry
>Look at what was supposed to happen in Antimatter.
same would happen with maho as she would be too busy competing with muh amadeus
With all that Zerorin has been though he would never be able to knock Kurisu from the pedestal he put her on. There's also the fact that she's genuinely an exemplary human being.
I wish they'd stuck with those stickers to be honest. They look nicer.
Steam for me
If you're still interested in supporting you can import the physical PC off Amazon or the digital one off DMM
>implying getting dicked by the Aleph and having Kurisu continuously push both of them into an increasingly more serious relationship wouldn't precede muh amedeus
Nig, of the two Maho is the one who is in need of love. Kurisu just needed to sort out her Daddy issues which is why they don't progress naturally.
No it's not for the ship in the first place. He would just not end with Kurisu, the ending would still be open ended
They may have better chemistry but it doesn't mean much, really. You can have the best chemistry you want, if both aren't willing to be serious then they will never work as a couple.
Yeah, but he realizes he didn't really know her. Honestly I think something interesting could have been done with that. Yeah something more bitter and twisted but it would have made some good character development
Someone posted the Mayuri one already. Here's the
It's all in her style.
>that triple set of dubs crowning my post
Where is your God now Kurisu-chemistryfags? Maho confirmed for perfect relational chemistry and narrative precedent. Kurisu confirmed for Science Bro and winglass for Maho.
Short hair loli Kurisu is canon.
Well he did just have 2 non-linear weeks with her. Give him a few months / years like he had with Maho and he'd be far closer than he ever was with Maho.
That girl deserves nothing but care and love.
>this is what Kurisucucks believe despite kurisu herself saying Salieri is a better catch
If they were both in the lab Okabe would be into both and Kurisu would ere towards setting okabe up with Maho. You can't fight fate.
Maho discovered 4chan after looking up what memes are
Someone shit posted it first, I gave them grief. A kurisufag made bad arguments, I pointed it out. They attacked my logic and now I am defending Maho out of principle. She is only second best girl but the logic still stands.
Okabe demonstrably loves Kurisu more than life itself. He's given more than most men have to give, let alone would give. Maho is wonderful but she lost that race before she even knew she wanted to compete in it. Mayuri
Mayuri wanted to win and had the homeground advantage, on top of being the girl he was doing the majority of the shit in S;G for, and she still lost entirely.
I hit enter early.
>implying she would try to set them up if she wasn't AI
maho is way worse than kurisu
>Spends several lifetimes working to find a way to let Kurisu live
>Ripped a stab wound open because he needed the blood splatter from it and didn't particularly seem to care about the risk of dying
>Was legitimately content with just knowing she was alive and able to live her life
He cares for both of them dearly. It's not fair to put one above the other. He couldn't.
Correction, he did but regreted it. When it came down to it in S;G the canon choice he made was Mayushii. That's why the Alpha line in 0 where Kurisu commits casual suicide is an alt l