Flip Flappers

Some Japanese still thinks that Mimi and Cocona are the same person.

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Source of the gif?

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>>151457267
someone yes
not sure who

>>151457303
The Japs are doing a christmas thing for 3hz just like how we are doing the post card thing. That is a WIP of one of the things they are sending 3hz.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672/
http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672/

Flip Flappers 1-12 stream. Deciding the time. Vote if you haven't yet.

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>>151457267
How long until everyone starts waxing poetic again?

>>151457326
Sayuri

Predict the most likely ending (not most wanted)

http://www.strawpoll.me/11959810
http://www.strawpoll.me/11959810

>>151457355
About as long as it takes for someone to be a cynical fuck again.

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>>151457267
Yuyu's air of smugness and confidence will be shattered when she hooks up with Yayaka and the latter fucks her senseless since the memory of losing Cocona to Papika is still fresh in her mind.

>>151457342
Make a countdown timer when you decide on a time please.

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>>151457267
>some side character stealing the kill on the villain
She will be beaten through the consecutive attacks of two girls handholding, kissing, making heart-pupils and shouting how much they love love LOVE each other while Yayaka masturbates in the background

>>151457395
But what about poor little Toto? Will he be left all alone?

>>151457355
This might not be waxing Poetic, but I want to let you anons know something.

Next year I will be working and living in Japan starting around July. If there is any Flip Flappers related events or anything that doesn't conflict with the work schedule, I will be there and make a thread reporting anything new. Also, I will make it my life mission to find and scanlate any flip flappers doujins for you fags during my time abroad.

>>151457355
Oh my god you are so cool. You don't go with the herd-- you're too independent for that. You make your own rules and say "fuck you" to the Flip Flapper loving establishment, and you don't care who knows it. I bet you even piss on the toilet seat!

How can I ever hope to be as cool as you?

I'm honestly enjoying your impotent frustration at other people enjoying things.

>>151457460
Goddess bless you anon.

>>151457455
Yuyu will use the power of M I N D S E T and leave him behind as he is barely functioning

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>>151457460
You are a great anon if you do this.

>>151457460
God speed, and god bless. You might just be my favorite Flip Fapper.

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>>151457444
Sure. I'll likely take the time that has the highest vote count roughly 12 hours from now. I'll linking a countdown then.

>>151457460
Doing god's work, anon.

>>151457267
I hope she punches Nyunyu right in the face.

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>>151457564
>people with guns getting punched

>>151457460
i love you anon

>>151457502
Hey, it's the I AM SILLY anon that can't read. How's it going?

>>151457460
>If there is any Flip Flappers related events or anything
>reporting anything new.
>Also, I will make it my life mission to find and scanlate any flip flappers doujins
I'm eagerly waiting for the big amount of 0 new stuff that you will bring us.

>>151457620
Right, people with thongs getting slapped

>>151455654
I almost had to push the date of my university degree back due to anime in general and Flip Flappers in particular. Ultimately I got everything I had to prepare for my last exam off the internet in a couple days and made it, thus proving the justice of procrastination.

>>151457641
Can you maybe stop being a cunt. Perhaps some thing is shit in your life right now but stop smearing what is perhaps some of the only enjoyment people get with it you self centred cunt.

>>151457620
Yayaka confiscated her firearm though.

>>151457641
but you are SILLY.

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>>151457726
I'm being realistic. How popular do you think this show is, exactly?

Cardfag said only 13 anons sent a card, knowing these threads have an average of 80+ posters that's a real shame. Send something, you don't need to be a drawfag for this.

Infopasta:


We're making a thank you image! The card will be a collection of images into one big image sent to them via Twitter using imgur. The due date for submissions is 12/30/16 at 9:00 am pst. Send all images to [email protected]

>Dimensions
600 by 600 pixels
>Why not here? it's an imageboard after all. we'd just have to reply your post.
Its hard trying to shitpost 24/7 to have to go around collecting images
>Why not real postcards? I want to send one. But there needs to be a campaign for it to mean something.
I'm not sure how this would be accomplished so I'm limiting it to digital.
>Who are we sending it to?
@binobinobi the directors twitter

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>Cockona

>>151457922
I dont want to send a literal stick figure.

>>151457895
I know it is not popular what neither of us knows if that will change or not or if the lack of popularity will stop their being events or doujins.

Ever heard of Wake Up Girls? Its a pretty unknown idol anime but it has events, it has die hard fans that love it. Just because you want to be pessimistic doesn't mean everyone has.

>>151457990
It's probably best to stop talking to this faggot

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>>151457460

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>>151457922
I am working on one, need some time to get it finished but I hope to represent all YYKfags

>>151457950
Can you made a sign 'THANK YOU' of sticks?

>>151457267
Alright flips and flaps, lets have a fun discussion. What specifically about the show hooked you and kept you coming back?

I am not asking about the shows content per say, but rather the mechanics of how the show was constructed. For example, I dont want to hear about specific plot points or characters or scenes. Rather I want to hear what about the construction of these scenes/characters/moments really drew you in!

I hope that made sense.

>>151458039
you need to get a scanner

>>151457990
>what neither of us knows if that will change or not or if the lack of popularity will stop their being events or doujins.
Exactly. But only one of us is making the assumption that the best-case scenario is super definitely going to happen.

>>151458027
Wouldn't want to face reality or anything.

>>151458049
I'm here for the web generation animation. Also, Pablo backgrounds.

>>151458082
I plan on digitalising it anyway so it won't matter.

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>>151458049
I fell in love when Papika introduced herself. I just love genki characters who are willing to sacrifice themselves for another at the drop of a hat. Also the animation was beautiful.

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>>151457395
No, no, no, the final Yayaka scene will be
>Yayaka looks at Cocona and Papika
>sighs, turns her head and sees Yuyu and Toto
>looks at the sky, turns her head and sees Salt and Sayuri
>winces, turns her head and sees Hidaka, Buu and Nyunyu
>eats a creambox

>>151458049
Honestly? Papika's neat muppet mouth drew me in first. Saw it on twitter and I wanted to draw stuff like that, so I gave the anime a try.

After that, the comfy PI worlds drew me in further, and then I fell in love with PapiCoco and it became a full on obsession.

>>151457950
draw a uexkull! he's pretty simple to draw!

>>151458164
>When Papika came into Cocona's life, she literally and figuratively showed her a whole new world, filled with colours and light. She shattered Cocona's dull life, by taking her out of her comfort zone, and even though their adventures were dangerous, they managed to make Cocona feel alive, that there were things she could do.
>Not only that, but Papika's own openness about her feelings for Cocona, and the way how she treated her as someone special, claiming she wouldn't let go of her gave Cocona something she had longed for, that feeling of being unique to someone else, and at the same time, she found herself becoming more and more attracted to Papika, who had become an unique existence in her life as well.
>So, Yayaka has managed to protect Cocona in the latest couple of episodes, but Papika brought light and life into her world.
I hope I can find my Papika.

>>151458134
>web generation animation

Spoonfeed me, what is this?

>>151458218
Become your own Papika.

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>>151458049
I dunno what you're tryin to say, but the answer is Papika.

>>151458249
Believe in the Papika who believes in you!

>>151458049
Cocona

>>151458218
>When Papika came into Cocona's life, she literally and figuratively showed her a whole new world, filled with colours and light. She shattered Cocona's dull life, by taking her out of her comfort zone, and even though their adventures were dangerous, they managed to make Cocona feel alive, that there were things she could do.

>this mirrors how Papika came into our lives via Flip Flappers, and how through the show, we went on many wonderful adventures alongside these characters!

>We found ourselves becomming more and more attracted to Papika, just as Cocona did

So the show is just a metaphor for the experience of watching anime and specifically this show itself?

>>151458049
>what about the construction of these scenes/characters/moments really drew you in
I really liked the faces they were making in episode 2 when they wanted to go bitey-bitey. And also the one Papika made when she caught Uexkull. I just like when girls look mentally challenged.

>>151458049
In episode one it was the dark elements contrasting with the happy adventurs. AB-chan, "you are alive!" and that dream. What really stood out for me, but this probably something personal, was at the end, when the first tunes of "Flip Flap" started palying and Papika asked if Cocona will have another adventur with her. Coconas: "No" in this scene felt really out of place, and I know that the heroes rejection of the call is a really common thing in media. All this set my expectations, that things won't be like I imagine.

>>151458049
The subtly off the first episode really caught me. Specifically the way they handled the glasses. The galsses were built up to represent all of Cocona's personality, she was hiding behind them afraid to show her real self.

It wasn't until she lost them that she was forced to be herself, saving Papika in the process, and then the glasses are returned cracked and wonky.

That spoke volumes to me about the subtle imaginary the show was capable of using.

>>151458049
I liked the above-standard writing and animation.

So much for that, although I'll stick around for the finale.

>>151458235
That kind of "fuck the shading, fuck the shapes, all movement" animation.

>>151457460
Anon you're a blessing to us all, thank you.

>>151458235
>https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150135411/#q150187722

>>151458235
new-gen animators who do all their work digitally. Like the other anon said, a lot of focus on movement.

>>151458359
Speaking of subtlety, Cocona's birthmark complex is probably the most recurring one.

>>151458343
>>151458049

For me it was elevated even further by the after credits scene from episode 1. Unexpected escalations get me really hype. Once hype is generated for me, its just a manner of maintaining it, which Flip Flappers did very well- every 2 episodes was a huge hype boost.

Ep 3 doesnt need explanation, and then you had ghost world + Iro mindrape back to back. Then episode 8 super robots, the Cocona vs Yayaka Episode 9, the base invasion and revealed lies of episode 10, episode 11s super tense reveals and mimi vs salt was a true highlight. Even Episode 12 had Yayaka henshin, bu-chan henshin, and "dai-dai-daisuke!".

The show set the initial unexpected escalation of stuff going down with the post credits scene of episode 1. And it kept the hype train rolling pretty consistently. That is what hooked me.

>>151458455
>this fucking thread that started 'really feeling' meme

>>151458049
I was high and I came for the bright colors.
Then I stayed for an original premise and cute characters

>>151458524
Really feeling this thread.

>>151458337
Exactly how I self-insert as Cocona

>>151458524
Do you really feel it?

>>151458049
Animation. Saw the PV and knew I'll be picking it up, the first scene with Papika running with her hoverboard already told me I'm in for a wild ride, and I was pleasantly surprised they were able to keep the quality consistent throughout most episodes, in fact it amazed me. The color palette changes and stylistic choices made me like it even more, and don't get me started on how cute Papika's stupid face is, or how adorable her interactions with Cocona were. It was simply a joy.

>>151458524
Search your feelings anon, you know it to be true

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Post cool Flip Flappers stuff

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>>151458732
All of tanu's art

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>>151458732
I can't, all of my stuff is post episode 9.

>>151458820
Shit, I just spot a real QUALITY in this shot despite having looked at it a dozen time.

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>>151457285
Well the baby may have died and !Good Mimi is just a representation of Mimi's regret that took form in Cocona

>>151458846
imbeedanz Salt?

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>>151457460
You are a hero anon, good luck living in japan

>>151458846
yeah several of the action shots in 12 have problems with layer cutoffs.

It's not anything that people spot in a normal viewing at all so it's debatable how much it matters.

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>>151458805
Sugoi

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>>151458846
You didn't notice that before? The animation shifts left at a certain point but it was drawn right to the end of the screen and not past the edge so it looks weird.

>>151458049
I became interested because of the animation in the PV.

I got hooked because of all the cryptic references to a wide variety of things, along with the tone of a fairy tale with a darker and more complex undertone, which made the mood feel very distressing.

>>151458947
It is hard enough to spot it even if you are staring straight at it. Let alone viewing normally.

>>151458049
I heard rumbles about it all season, but didn't really know nothing about it. Was too busy this past college semester to do any anime. After exams finished, I decided to pick it up because it looked colorful and fun compared to everything else airing.

But what I experienced simply blew me away. Yes, it was colorful and fun, but it was also subtle and smart. The characters were super likable, and story telling was far more sophisticated than I was expecting from a show like this. Also, I just really like it when stuff can get dark without ruining the sense of fun or without going grimdark. Being able to handle multiple tones and moods throughout the show without having whiplash is an underrated talent in any entertainment medium. The show is versatile. It can handle a camping survival episode right before a haunted house episode right before a mindfuck drama episode right before a slow and subtle single character study- and it can do this all back to back without tone or mood whiplash and a surprising amount of consistency.

That's fucking impressive. Bonus points that the art and animation held up and stayed really really good to amazing all the way up until episode 12 too.

The music is great and varied too. Especially when the drama hits. The "Bass drop" when Salt turned his head away from the camera when getting ready to leave Flip Flap to confront Mimi in episode 11 is a good example. Cocona vs Yayaka fight had great sound and music as well.

Also, its rare for a show to have a really good OP and ED at the same time.

Really, this show is just an example of everything adding up to just be an excellent piece of entertainment all around. Its only real flaws are some pacing issues in a couple episodes and 12s (and maybe 13s) animation being closer to an average anime animation quality instead of awesome Flip Flappers level animation quality. And the animation quality issue will be fixed with BDs. It's just a great show all around.

>>151458820
>>151458976
Somebody will be fired for this?

>>151458475
How is this a bad thing again? focusing on movement is their job, they're supposed to animate -- bring characters to life.

I thought "webgen" was a nickname for young animators impressed by old animators; trying to copy their style/create flashy looking scenes without bothering to learn actual, real-life movement

>>151459129
No, this has happened in ep 1. No big deal.

>>151459145
That is just a common critcism of them along with poor drafstmanship generally.

Focusing on movement is seen as a bad thing by some because they prefer less but better draw drawings and don't like the way webgen animators will happily sacrifice and ignore character models or simplify them in order to get more movement into a scene while still making it doable with the time they have.

>>151458049
I always like shows that allow the artist to go crazy with the setting, if you want to make something interesting most of the times you have to explain it, but when something like Pure Illusion exists you can just make excuses for a Mecha episode, a Bunny episode, Purgatory episode, Mad Max episode, you name it, it's fun to see how creative can it be. Aside from that I thought the artstyle was good and the yuri potential was high.

>>151459145
No. "webgen" is called that because it's a generation of animators getting their start posting animated gifs made in Flash on the internet.

>>151459145
>without bothering to learn actual, real-life movement

That's a criticism you can make of pretty much anything short of a Ghibli movie, so you can be pretty sure that if sakugafags drag it out it can be safely ignored.

>>151459395
Most of the prominent western sakugafags are fans of the webgen animators. It is usually people who know very little who dislike them.

>>151459470
I meant it more as the general argument. It's one they tend to make regardless of whether they're talking about webgen or others.

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Got a new card!
Don't forget to submit to [email protected]

Why did the grandmother say "She must be going through the rebellious phase" (or something like that) when she was working with the KKK the whole time?

>>151459661
What is this card thing, anon?

>>151459700
see
>>151457922

>>151458039
Ganbatte!

>>151457922
Thanks!

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>Studio DEEN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>151459776
What the fuck?

>>151459776
DEEN made one of the best anime this year (Rakugo Shinjuu). Looked great too.

>>151459818
Crunchyroll made a mistake.

>>151459663
Grandmother was just a robot the whole time. That slow, almost monotone speech that we just assumed was because she was old was actually just robot tier monotone and slow speech.

Go-men-oh-saiiii

>>151457922
I'm working on two cards, a mouse-drawn Cocona (or Cocomimi depending on how horrifying she looks) and an hand-drawn Uexkull. I'll deliver tomorrow or the day after.

>>151459771
Do you have any Cocona or Papika yet in the submissions?

>>151460039
I mean I get it, but why would the robot/old lady be "on" when Cocona wasn't home? or even talk/think about Cocona?

>>151460118
So we could have something to watch. Duh.

>>151460118
to keep up the ruse.

>>151460118
Because Uexkull was there.

>>151459776
It's pretty funny that I'd vote for Flip Flappers in pretty much any category apart from the one they nominated it in.

>>151460265
What's the best animated show of the year anon?

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>>151460044
Not really, haven't updated the collage yet but here it is so far

>>151460324
Mob Psycho. I don't even like that show much but there's not much of an argument to be had there.

>>151460265
As long as it is Mob that wins over Flip Flappers its fine. If Yuri on Ice wins just because its the fucking flavour of the month thats just unacceptable. I bet it fucking will though.

>>151460337
i'll be sending in a nyunyu-chan soon!

>>151460337
>that drawing on the bottom left

>>151460348
Oh, it's been on my backlog ever since the first episode aired, just haven't gotten into it yet. Will probably start once FF is over

>leave thread for a few minutes
>lay down on floor because no bed
>try to sleep for 5 minutes
>hear Papikas voice in my head, fap one out to her
>Return to thread

How do you guys cope with this?

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>>151460337
>giant uexkull appears on the horizon while the kkk celebrates dancing around naked papika and cocona
This is how it should have ended desu senpai.

>>151460481
>sexualizing daughterus

>>151460481
>can't leave thread
>can't sleep
>can't fap for weeks because too anxious for next ep
>manually press Update button with no new posts

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>>151460481
>hear Papikas voice in my head, fap one out to her

>>151459661
Wtf was this made on MS paint? Go home mate.

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>>151460337

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>>151460481
>lay down on floor because no bed

Papika...

>>151459145
>webgen
>people will defend this
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/6437

>>151460588
At least put a Uexkull on it

>>151460621
thought "this better be that one scene from birdy decode", was not disappointed

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>>151460526
My Cockona folder is growing daily.

>>151460636
It's a screenshot from evangelion.

>>151460683
yeah, at least put a uexkull on it

>>151460337
Please don't send this to them. That 1st image is a fucking train wreck.

salt fucking the lead subject in a clinical government looking research trial after years of research

>>151460683
I know, and the director will clearly understand the reference if it's added to the cards were sending, but add something Flipflap related to it

>>151460621
This is pretty great. Birdy Decode 2 is still the best animated 1-cour action anime.

>>151460676
Get out this thread you pervert. You realise these characters are 14ish. Get a job!

>>151457460
doing gods work anon

>>151460716
Problem, sir?

>>151460572
That has been my life since EP12
Without the manual update part.

>>151460725
I was joking. I don't want it to be added.

I want to add my 600x600 but i also want to take the last episode into account. I hope i'll make the deadline.

>>151460588
What does this mean?
And could you do something like this anon said.
>>151460725

>>151460716
He probably filled out a lab report afterwards.

>>151458039
I like that. Good job.

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>>151460621
Why would anyone think this is okay?

I missed the last thread but I wanted to respond to this post in particular
>>151456603
What you're referring to is actually called phallogocentrism and is one of the central concepts behind post-structural thinking. Basically, language is too dick and must become less dick so we aren't fucking people with our girthy, musky words.

No I'm not joking. People actually believe this.

>>151460716
As one 2ch poster said "If Salt had just worn a condom none of this would have happened".

>>151458049
The grandma kept me hooked. I loved her.

>>151460808
Anon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8

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>>151460855

>>151460820
I agree. What a freak. I'm glad that some members of 4chan still have some respect.

>>151460855
That lurid ass shot with the exposed robot bits after she got blown up some something else

>>151460621
Christ
I'm all into movement but this is an unfinished mess, looks more of an early sketch of what was supposed to be than an actual cut. I suppose they didn't have time?

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>>151460903
>>151460855
I have no idea why this is so funny.

>>151460866
Sorry can't remember everything

>anyone got lyrics to over the rainbow?

>>151460948
whoops, didnt mean to green text that. But yeah, anyone got the lyrics?

>>151460926
YES! That scene just made it for me. She spread that ass wide! Dirty bitch.

>>151460928
According to the director they were being experimental on purpose to find new ways of expression for animators and to test the bounds of what audiences would accept.

It was fixed for the DVD https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/13601

>>151460621
That looked gorgeous, I don't see the issue

>>151460621
I'll defend it! It looks awesome! it's really unique and crazy.

>>151460981
mhmm [help]

>>151461005
To me the remake fucked it up. The cuts that were changed are less interesting, the camera is too zoomed in, and redrawing the forms took a lot of the energy and character from it.

>>151461102
I believe it caused an outrage among Japanese fans when the original version aired.

>>151461102
Probably because the deformation and distortion of the model helped to actually the sense of frenetic motion in the cut. The fixed version is too on-model, to the point where the lack of motion blur or smear seems uncanny considering the actual way things are moving.

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>>151460821
You got a problem with dicks?

Can we please discuss Wixoss Lostorage's ending. I mean really?

>>151461005
They should have just changed the initial closeup of her running, and even that maybe not that much.

>>151461005
I see, very interesting.

>>151461102
>took a lot of energy and character from it
This will always be the case with sketches vs. finished work, something always dies in the process. But I think the corrected version looks fine.

>>151461158
Hearing my main in shitty chuuni FG go ham over a card game was fun but the writing in that show was garbage and the finale was contrived trash.

Spread was unironically better

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>>151461154
I agree. animation is a lot more complicated than just making drawings that look like a series of correct still poses at different times. You have to distort things to make it look right in motion.

>>151461185
The corrected version is OK, but it's just not as cool to me.

Another thing that gets me about it is a lot of people seem to forget that this scene is a memory/dream sequence. So it makes sense for things to get weird and distorted.

>>151460676
She's got a big creambox.

>>151461158
Lostorage series was worse than the previous two.

>>151461207
I don't know why people dislike so much Spread, compare to the new series it was a master piece. Lostorage had some of the most uninteresting characters I've seen in a long time.

>>151461157
My mom doesn't have one.

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>>151458182
クリームボックスですね

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>>151461395
I'd cream in her box, if you get what I mean.

>>151461387
Are you sure about that?

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>>151461419

>>151461486
INT +1

>>151461370
I agree. Lostorage was quite shit in fairness. the ending was rushed and so much unexplained answers. I also hate the fact that it pretty much shows all that happened in the previous series in that shit flashback. Like, great. Thanks JC Staff.

>>151461442
FUCK OFF

>>151461395
Moonspeak, is this correct? 明けましておめでとうございます

>>151461545
I could see Papika as an Lrig. She wouldn't last mind.

>>151461651
I could see Mimi as a good Lrig. She'd be all FUCK OFF MY DAUGHTER.

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>>151461651
reminder that lrig is girl backwards

>>151461701
What's your point?

>>151461545
The best scene was when that bitch committed suicide. It would have been more effective, if they had developed the character as I didn't care for her at all.

>>151461741
My point is I want to make you my Lrig and cum on your card every day.

>>151461651
She's as brain dead as Tama anyway

>>151461775
I could make that happen. You got Kik?

>>151461651
What would their card abilities be? Since Yayaka is fast and her ropes can bind enemies, hers could be something like "Get an extra turn."

>>151461781
That's true in fairness. They both act like dogs.

>>151459776
Yuri on Ice - 3K votes
Mob Psycho 100 - 2K votes
Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress -1.1K votes
Flip Flappers - 384 votes

>>151461847
Obv her coin bet move would be Blind.

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>>151461882
>faggots on ice winning first instead of flip faggots

You know I have been sitting and thinking for a while about what makes Flip Flappers work so well. And I really think its a combination of 2 things: Set Up + Show, not tell. The show does a fantastic combination of both, which makes the story feel strong and consistent, no matter how crazy it gets. At the same time, it almost always manages to surprise us and either subvert or exceed our expectations, which makes it exciting and fun.

A lot of other anime have very overt story telling and tell much more than they show, or just jump straight into plot points without the proper set up, only to explain it away later. This is why Mimi flashbacks were in both episodes 10 and 11. To provide set up and context so that we could relate to the stuff. Same with the boat dream sequences since episode 1, or Papika getting memory flashes of Mimi when around the shards and having her "wheres Mimi!" fits.

>>151461882
Yuri on Ice should win. I think it's the best show of the year.

>>151461916
>>151461847
Yeah, I meant coin abilities.

>>151461924
>Show, not tell.
Someone hasn't watched the show since episode 10.

>>151461924
>Cocona birthmark

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More stuff for the anons who didn't want any dicks.

http://i.imgur.com/zMNW98n.jpg

>>151461958
t. fujoshitter

>>151461924
That's cool mate.

>>151461958
Regardless of what you think of it, it's not anywhere close to being the best-animated show of the year and even nominating it for that is a complete joke.

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>>151461972
>pubic hair

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>>151461972
Thanks Futanon, but Papika's way too bushy

>>151462003
My sister watched it and told me she found the animation good, mostly because she hadn't watched a recent anime in years. Of course I'm not expecting the people voting in that poll to be such noobs when it comes to animation, but maybe I should.

>>151461962
someone hasn't watched these threads full of people who need everything explained to them anyway

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>>151461972
Thanks

>>151462003
I agree. It is just my opinion. I just think the storyline is particularly interesting. Who would have thought with combining Slice of life with ice skating?! We really are living in exciting times.

>>151461882
>Voting will open January 3rd, 2017
Where did you get the numbers?

>>151458049
The Ghibli look and feel of episode 1 and the way the wholething had "girl-meets-girl adventure" plastered all over it.

>>151461924
They destroyed it the moment 10 and 11 aired, could've kept it subtle and let us learn through hints.

>>151462008
>>151462060
Fine, fine.

http://i.imgur.com/qJd9eBz.jpg

>>151462154
If they kept it subtle you'd whine about how it's a plotless episodic mess again.

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>>151461972
>finish sending a uexkull
>get this

Thank you

>>151461972
Ar you drawing something to the creator, futa?

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>>151462170
Thanks, it's perfect now

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>>151462205
Already posted it. But it's kind of boring, oops.

>>151462179
I never did though, other anons might but lots of people here didn't like the change episode 10 (and maybe 9 too) signified

>>151462131
It's from Crunchyroll's facebook post which can be taken as representative of the voters as a whole.

>>151462154
They can't most people are idiots. They need to shown the points of the show. Just the way it works. I would give Flip Flappers a 4/10. Simply because of the poor direction of it. I can already hear the news of NO season 2 echoing in the abyss.

>>151462170
Send this to Oshiyama's twitter, I'm sure he'd frame it on his wall.

>>151462154
>>151461962

Episodes 10 and 11 still had a fair amount of showing and not telling. A lesser anime would have just had the exposition drop without the flashbacks showing us- and yes, that was what the flashbacks were for- they showed and set up Salt and Mimi's relationship and gave an idea of what Mimi's life was like and what her abilities were, so that when she showed up later (and when she later confronted salt) we had proper build-up that was actually shown to us via character interactions in flashbacks, instead of expository information dumps.

>>151462233
Cute

Going into episode 12 I realized that through the whole series Cocona did not doubt Yayaka once. Everytime she showed up acting all tough with the twins Cocona was still talking to her like a friend, even as enemies she still saw her as a friend outside of Pure Illusion. In contrast, Cocona is always doubting Papika, since the begging she was hesitant about Pure Illusion and even as friend she would still question if Papika was really interested on her, that's why she got pissed at Papika when she mumbled Mimi's name.

Who will she choose, /a/?

>>151461972
careful posting dickless stuff here, you might summon Freud

>>151462312
you mean frood

>>151462284
>Who will she choose, /a/?
She's already chosen Papika

She was just a very jealous girlfriend, she doesn't have that with Yayaka because Yayaka is just a friend, whilst Papika is her first love and most meaningful relationship

>>151462284
> through the whole series Cocona did not doubt Yayaka once

except for the part where the twins told her that yayaka was a spy and she broke down over it
right

>>151462328
*frued

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>>151461972
>>151462170

>>151462400
rewatch the scene, she still believed Yayaka and was like "there is no way that could be true, right?"

When Yayaka confirmed it thats when she flipped the flap out because that was the start of her whole world tumbling down.

>>151462400
She didn't believe them though, she knew it was true once she turned to Yayaka and she couldn't even look see her to the face.

>>151462170
This is good.

>>151462271
well fuck. I never thought of it like that before. I guess you are right.

>>151462392
>she doesn't have that with Yayaka because Yayaka is just a friend
She doesn't have that because Yayaka never provided her what she needed most which was done by Papika in weeks.

>>151462271
Just because they aren't narrated doesn't mean the flashbacks don't betray "show, don't tell". The spirit of the saying is that you shouldn't give information out and stopping everything else that's in progress, if there's a better way to deliver that information. The flashbacks work against that. Remember how Cocona and Papika were supposed to be running away from the FF base and instead we got a 7-minute flashback putting the whole situation on hold?

>>151462740
Which is?

>>151462778
>instead we got a 7-minute flashback
What do you suggest? A 7-minute running away sequence?

>>151462778
No, that's not what "show, don't tell" means. Whether you think that the information wasn't necessary in the first place has nothing to do with it, it was still shown, not told.

>>151462806
>feeling alive
>being treated her as someone special
>feeling of being unique to someone else
>light and life

>>151462170
I like the bush, keep it up

>>151462817
Ah, it's one of those "if it's not white then it must be black" people. I've no time to waste on you.

>>151462849
>Whether you think that the information wasn't necessary
Can you read?
>it was still shown, not told.
We were explicitly told a lot of shit you fucking idiot.

>>151462312
>Implying he ever left

>>151462914
You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.
The question was: do you have a better way to present the plot?

>>151462914
Well motherfucker I'm very sorry that you can't apply your scriptwriting oneliner meme here, but if you're going to criticize the show for something, then criticize it for something it actually does wrong.

Bet you also post about "asspulls" and "deus ex machinas" because you don't like the direction the plot has been going since episode 1.

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>>151462968
>hurr durr you can't criticize X if you aren't an X specialist
>>>/v/

>>151462977
>because you don't like the direction the plot has been going since episode 1.
Oh yeah, because this totally screams Eva ripoff. Clearly.

>>151462914
It's not like we weren't shown an equal amount either. A show doesn't have to be 'show dont tell' the entire time. Telling things isn't inherently bad and I don't think it was done poorly.

>>151463063
>/v/
Seriously I think you're even a tier lower than asspull-kun who was at least able to put together a single argument.

>>151463063
oh it's just another mad yurifag
nothing to see here, move along

>>151463128
why would he be mad though

>>151463113
The argument was that the show was "showing not telling" all along when that's nowhere near the truth, ESPECIALLY when taking the latest episodes into account.

>>151463122
Do I have to point out the hypocrisy of your statement?

>>151463128
I don't give a single fuck about yuri. I do give a single fuck about the show shitting the bed, though.

>>151463201
Why have they "told, not showed", anon?

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>>151463201
let me guess, you're also not mad and it is in fact me who is mad because i reply to you

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>>151463231
Indeed

stop feeding the troll guys

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>>151463298
Spell my name wrong one more goddamn time

I would like to remind everyone that "show, don't tell" is a pithy guideline that on its own doesn't mean jack shit and isn't even very well defined.
Using it to argue about the quality of something is just an attempt of saying "I'm way too smart for this writing" while pretending you're an expert.

>>151463231
It's even better with coconuts.

>>151463404
Papikana

Foe those unwilling to send an image with a personal email address there is always guerillamail.com which allows for anonymous email sending.

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>>151463430
STAHP

>>151463227
Well, I can't give an accurate answer to that because I'm not Oshiyama, but if I had to guess I'd say it's because they realized the storytelling method they were using wasn't going to let them tell the story they wanted to tell, so they had to choose between sacrificing that story or sacrificing the quality writing.

Time will tell if they made the right choice, but things are looking bleak from here.

>>151463245
How the fuck should I know?

>>151463408
You should also remind everyone that criticising Flip Flappers for anything is strictly forbidden and punishable by firing squad.

>>151463443
Have you harvested 600x600 images from the threads?

>>151463460
>You should also remind everyone that criticising Flip Flappers for anything is strictly forbidden and punishable by firing squad.

hot damn, it IS you! how you been man, everything alright over in la-la-land?

>>151463460
Can you define "show not tell"?

>>151463460
>so they had to choose between sacrificing that story or sacrificing the quality writing

Care to give an example of either?

>>151463508
Hey, at least he learned a new term.

>>151463504
Yes, but I'm not perfect and may need to go back and check.

>>151463443
I did that, you managed to get it right? The Dugtrio one?

>>151463508
As if you didn't know. Cute non-argument by the way.

>>151463524
Can you stop wasting my time with inane shit?

>>151463566
>give me an example of something that didn't happen
Epic.

As for the writing quality, I don't know what the fuck you want me to tell you. If you can't tell there's a difference in writing the first half of the show and the last few episodes then the problem might be on your end.

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Dumping some more cards received

>>151463675
>If you can't tell there's a difference in writing the first half of the show and the last few episodes

Care to point it out? I feel like you are making complains as you go.

>>151463675
No I honestly think you don't understand the phrase "showing" is just that, portraying the experience, "telling" is giving dry information and making no attempt to evoke the experience. The flashbacks showed us what happened in Papika's past and gave information about the story through the events portrayed.

I think you are just confusing the fact that the plot came to the forefront and everything was made clearer with "show don't tell".

>>151463443
Thanks, will use

Updated meme list for daily roulette

>really feeling that writer change
>episodic good plot bad
>webgen explosions
>nothing outside the animation, sadly
>series composition was fired
>is this really necessary
>flopping hard at amazon stalker
this one no longer works
>not even top 3
>age gap pedophilia oyakodon fetuscon degeneracy
>yuribait
>phantom world 2.0
>ripping off evangelion
>mediocre facial expressions
>Jacob Chapman
>asspull deus ex machina

>>151463715
We aren't told Yayaka is an enemy (at first). But we know it from looking at her actions and her interactions with CocoPapi.

We are explicitly told Mimi is Cocona's mommy.

>>151463762
>"telling" is giving dry information
That's exactly what they did you fucking retard.

>hurr durr i sure like mimi i hope to get to see mimi again MIMI and fuck your storytelling methods, writing is expensive and time is short

>>151463943
>age gap pedophilia
That's not a meme, have you watched the damn show?

>>151463943
>>nothing outside the animation, sadly
This doesnt apply anymore because the animation is now webgen crap, sadly

>>151464018
So is there anything good about the show anymore? Or will it fall off from the top 3?

>>151464090
Cocona still exists.

>>151464141
I know, that's why I'm asking.

>>151463943
Is >Cockona not an acceptable meme?

>>151458049
It's the only recent show I can watch without falling asleep. So probably the fast pacing, bright colors and hype OST.

>>151464173
It's part of funposting together with Frued now.

>>151464012
>That's exactly what they did you fucking retard.
No they didn't. They showed us Papika's experience in the flashback in episode 10 and as a result of that we learned new information. We weren't told facts, things that happened in the past shed light on things relevant to the story of the present. "show don't tell" doesn't mean "no exposition allowed" it means that you should actually portray events rather than just informing the reader about them which is exactly what flashbacks do. They are just about the only way to "show not tell" past events really if you want any kind of concrete understanding of them rather than vague implications.

So yeah it seems that you are just confused and don't understand what you are discussing.

>>151464018
It has always been webgen crap though. It's just that it's not polished anymore due to rushed schedule.

I wish Jacob Chapman and Fruedposter were my dads.

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>>151461486
I want MUSCLE to fist fuck Nyu

>>151463738
This one is great

>>151464012
>That's not a meme
The meme is being turned off by it.

>>151464012
This guy is the probably one of the worst posters in these threads. Mostly just goes on and on with his opinions with no intention of listening to the other side, refusing to substantiate them, putting little effort into it and essentially just saying "no I am right" to any reply while throwing in insults.

>remember that the PV was pushed back a day

fuck

>>151464630
The new commentary was published earlier.

>>151464250
They didn't portray shit, they told us they were supposed to be good friends and badabeembadaboom everyone is good friends with each other and sure Salt here's my vagina.

>>151464572
Oh. Yeah, that's fair enough.

>>151464578
This guy is the probably one of the worst posters in these threads. Mostly just goes on and on with his whining when people criticise Flip Flappers with no intention of actually contributing to any discussions, refusing to knock it off, putting little effort into it and essentially just pretending to be a good poster solely because he whines about other posters that have valid complaints to make about the show.

>>151464250
I don't think only showing things without explanations would work for the whole story, regardless of the medium. At some point stuff has to narrow down to reach climax, otherwise everything would remain inconsequential and frankly boring.
If you came for episodic fun and wanted to fill in the blanks yourself, then you could be disappointed by how things turn out, especially if it does not match your expectations.
Whining about it now is like cring about spoiled milk though.

>>151464776
>I don't think only showing things without explanations would work for the whole story, regardless of the medium.
Unless you're talking about this story specifically (your wording is a bit ambiguous), then I'm going to call bullshit on it being impossible to tell an entire story using only show-don't-tell. It's been done countless times.

>>151464630
I'm ok with late PV or no PV if they can make it.

>>151464761
There was a whole 5 minute portrayal of Papika's childhood at the research facility. The main way "show don't tell" tends to be contravened in anime is by using the characters as mouthpieces for information in dialogue, having them stand around and tell another character about things or even talk to themselves about things, rather than actually showing us those things happening and while some explanation was given through dialogue in the flashback scenes that wasn't using the characters as mouthpieces they were all situationally coherent discussions to be having.

Let me tell you again, that giving information to the viewer and making things simple and straightforwards are not "show don't tell". So please stop using phrases you clearly don't understand the meaning of.

>>151457922
well, you said send something

>>151464776
How about one minute total of flashbacks/broken memories?

>shot of papika surprised
>cut to flashback of her walking towards a row of children wearing the same outfits
>grown ups in lab clothes look down on her, then touch her shoulder and point towards a door
>she walks into the room alone
>papika "wakes up", series continues normally (could be done in 30 seconds)

Then in later episode she walks into a room, let's say something in FFHQ, and we suddenly return to her old self seeing Mimi for the first time. They talk for a few seconds, Papika smiles. Exits the room, Young Salt standing there next to a faceless scientist, she looks at him, cut to current adult Salt. (another 20-30 seconds). Basically let us connect the dots

Either this, Papika's deep PI episode, or abunch of mashed up scenes running out of sequence for a moment or two, letting us as viewers experience Papika'sstruggle, while also advancing the story

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>>151465621
or without

Jesus fuck stop arguing this guy, at best you'll get a "hurr durr i forgot you're not allowed to criticize flip flappers" from him. We've been doing this for weeks.

>>151465583
They obviously thought it was important to establish the significance of the relationship between Mimi and Papika because neither of those achieve that. The quickest way to have done it would have been to have Papika just tell the whole flashback to Cocona. That would have been done in about 30 seconds max but because they decided to show a lot of the information instead it took a lot longer.

>>151465661
hurr durr i forgot you're not allowed to criticize flip flappers

>>151465583
Sounds pretty interesting. You'd have to spend an entire episode on this though, which means that you'd probably have to scrap an earlier episode. Either 7 or 8 since it has to come after Iro, but then you have to handle the Yayaka defecting and Cocona accepting DPI being dangerous in one episode.

>>151465621
Nice

>>151465621
With text, it adds to the sincerity.

>>151465583
That sounds more like minimalist story telling.

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>>151465842
>>151465862
Thanks, sent if off.

>>151465665
Papika telling Cocona Mimi was an important person could still remain as is (showing how their relationship grew to the point of them becoming partners/Mimi taking her to PI), I'm not saying all of it should be cut down, but I do think most if it could have been told in a much more interesting way

The idea is to keep us from understanding fully, but fiving us enough hints to be able to.
Papika's life in the lab weren't as important as her relationship with Mimi, so most of it could be shortened out to a series of short sequences. Papika telling Cocona about Mimi as partner should be kept a secret from us (because again it was the most important part to Cocona's perspective) until the right moment, the twisting of the knife, came.

>>151466135
lol. Go read Umineko. You will love it. Greatest story ever told

>>151464406
Why did Froidposter even become a meme?

man, I am surprised that the thread is slower than it was on christmas and christmas eve.

>>151466135
I don't know if we are talking about all the flashbacks across episode 10 and 11 being covered by what you described I just don't think it works. It leaves too much to be implied and inferred and its probably easy to say that would have been enough to work it out now but that is with knowing what we already know.

Without being aware of Mimi's situation her wish for Cocona to have freedom in episode 12 makes no sense.

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>>151466135
>until the right moment, the twisting of the knife, came.
It was painful for me already. I probably have PTSD now.

It better be good, otherwise I am very disappointed.

>>151466476
It's not a surprise, nobody cares about the show anymore.

Can't blame 'em, after episode 12.

>>151466476
Most of the sakugafags dropped the show after the QUALITY webgen running

>>151466476
It's a bad show now and everyone abandoned the train.

>>151466606
But Christmas happened after episode 12.

>>151466606
You trolls were proven wrong about this and butt blasted since Episode 12 aired.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r

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>>151466453
I hereby claim this thread as my territory.

>>151466453
Back before the plot happened all we had to specula about was Freudian imagery and various back ground details

I wonder why trolls want to troll this show so much. Its one of the best shows in a long while. Here is hoping that Episode 13 is the masterpiece it deserves to be.

>>151466476
Nothing much left to discuss since most of the questions for the series got answered in the last few episodes.

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>>151466652
>still posting that strawpoll
The desperation is physical.

Official thread census

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170
http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170

>>151466686
guaranteed replies

>>151466683
This. There is nothing left to talk about. It's just a waiting game now. The calm before the storm.
Hype is on an all time low now too. Last episode was rushed already and it seems they have even less time to polish the finale.

>>151466699
Not that guy, but shitposting levels got to the point where a poll like this, desperate as it is, helped the threads more than harmed them.

>>151466764
Is this going on RealClearPolitics?

>>151466699
The shitposters are the desperate ones trying to argue against facts.

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>>151466764
>>151466787
>still going

>>151466783
I'm hyped to see whatever trainwreck they'll pull on us in the finale.

>>151466820
Sure, but that type of hype can't carry a thread.

>>151466808
>shitposter so btfo by the poll he's reduced to posting nothing but reaction images

Keep going anon

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>>151466793
>>151466849
Your imaginary group isn't the one posting "p-p-proof" every single thread. Or pretending fucking strawpolls are any form of data.

>DATA

>>151462968
>Easy fix: just start episode 10 with the flashback. No previous introduction or framing, Madoka 10 style. The flashback can end in the exact same place and transition directly into the first scene of the episode of Papika looking troubled at her fragment. It segues directly from #9's cliffhanger and into the understanding that Papika has now regained her full memories without having to explain anything (such as Salt flat-out telling us that she did). With that, the confrontation at the pipe can play out much more succintly and establish the shattering of Cocona's worldview as having a sudden, direct impact rather than something padded out.

I posted this in a previous thread, but my full opinion is that the mom plot was dead on arrival. You can't make it fully work starting from episode 10 without heavy alteartions to the backstory and the way events unfold

>>151466876
Mom plot was there since Episode 1 though. It just wasn't clearly shown to us until episode 10.