Nothing personnel kid
*teleports behind you*
First, she's at least half-Brit.
Second, japs are scum and ONLY achieved their goals in Geass (and in real history) because foreigners helped them and literally did the job for them.
This is also a champion mecha pilot.
You probably do. It's about as good as it gets.
The one time they had an even fight on Narita, Suzaku beat her by cornering and pushing her off a cliff. Every other clash had someone with an advantage or it was inconclusive. In their final battle, Suzaku manages to more or less draw despite having an inferior mech, with his perk only being geass.
>with his perk only being geass.
which gives him BS excuse to do anything.
>wins by cornering
>draws when losing his mech
nice bias there m8
Kallen also showed plenty of skills in different mechs with different specs while Suzaku was only good with one
>which gives him BS excuse to do anything.
All it does is essentially give him max morale/focus.
Yes really, it's flat out stated in the show.
>kallen gets ko'd and was about to fall to her death if gino hadn't caught her
>not a draw equal to losing his mech
>not arguably better than a draw because he survived while she would've died if it was a pure 1v1 with nobody else around
>difference in physical strenght
>only knows how to pilot one mech
and he still CANT win. How is that supposed to make him a better pilot?
Kallen did fight in even the most basics mechs against superior britanian army and still was always the ace card on the field.
it's the geass that makes him a technically better pilot than kallen, also even though they both had the only 9th generation mechs, kallens mech has the arm.
however, kallen would beat suzakus ass if he didn't have the geass and i agree with everything else you said
the arm only really plays a role when she uses it for the first time when they fight. I think he even comments that he needs to take it into account next time. Then he just learns how to avoid it.
you know what?
i agree with you
strength, agility, focus, geass, one mech puts Suzaku at disadvantage. He needs a next buff in r3. Then he will wipe the floor with her proving to all those who didnt believe before that he is indeed the better pilot
What about all the fights before Suzaku got Geass'd/ didn't use it?
Kallen had the better mech and it won her most of their battles thanks to her arm, although her pilot skill probably contributed to how fast she could operate it.
I'd say Suzaku is probably on equal footing with Kallen in terms of skill considering Lloyd wanted him to pilot New Guren after they fucked around with it since no one else could pilot it. His Geass just pushes him over the edge in terms of skill which makes up for his mech's specs in regards to Kallen and New Guren.
>she really might be the best pilot in the series
Not even Japs agree with you
>Kallen also showed plenty of skills in different mechs with different specs
nice bias there m8
>and he still CANT win
He did win retard. He knocked Kallen out and rendered the Guren unable to function once more HE ACCOMPLISHED HIS OBJECTIVE WHILE KALLEN FAILED
>it's the geass that makes him a technically better pilot than kallen
Curse of Geass does not enhance anything its just away to make sure Suzaku doesn't hold back
>however, kallen would beat suzakus ass if he didn't have the geass
All the bs stuff Suzaku got for no reason are not enough to prove who is better as there are plenty of people who are not convinced. Give Suzaku Bismarck's geass in r3. That will show those fools who is better!
This is a top scientist who is currently single.
>all this Kallen v Suzaku
We all know who the best pilot truly was.
This is no way to treat a champion pilot
EVERY FUCKING TIME
What a man among men, how can shitzaku even compete?
This puts a grin on my face every time
>A-anon, please be gentle... It's my first time...
She's too fucking dumb to do that
Trump didn't betray the person who made his entire existence up to that point for pussy. Ohgi would've been killed in the first fucking 5 episodes if not for Lulu, and he betrayed him for literally the enemies cooch
>Europe after meeting Darth Suzaku
How are they supposed to top crystal laser wings and deadly microwave claw in season 3? Have Suzaku pilot a dual seater comprised almost solely of spinning legs with Lulu operating the shield walls?
The Black Knights will place some hyper-advanced sakuradite disturber around the globe so that only second generation KMFs will still function. I don't care how contrived it's gonna be as long as the fighting stays on the fucking ground.
>The preview showed more flying frames, so no, not gonna happen.
They had one brief flash of KMF on the ground in a forest, so ground combat is not totally out of the question.
They only showed one new unit with energy wings. The other was just the Shinkirou.
In all honesty, the problem isn't flight though. They could make more interesting fights even with flight. What they need is to cut back on beamspam and that's entirely viable.
>Akito was such wasted potential for going back to pre-flight combat.
Actually, I liked the combat there.
>Akito was such wasted potential for going back to pre-flight combat
That was the only good thing about it. With ground combat you actually interact with the evnronment which raises the stakes and makes the fights varied and interesting.
There will never be a girl like Kallen
I rewatched Code Geass and after being a massive CC fag for a long time I now sympathize a lot more with Kallen.
Both of them have their strongpoints but I feel like Kallen was a more interesting character.
>Guy who has an even shittier win record than Lelouch
His Counter Geass is worthless for combat
>Beating Anya means anything
I can't take you meme lovers seriously
There will never be a girl as second best as Kallen
>kallen will never let you sexually humiliate her and drag her around by the hair while kissing your ass about your superiority despite the fact she could kill you that instant.
the kallen is dumb, the ginoxkallen,etc are jsut ccfags shitposting just ignore them
just say "CC is not a virgin" or "she fucked a thousand men" and they get mad pretty quickly
>CC is not a virgin
Likely true, only delusional purityfags think this
>she fucked a thousand men
Pretty stupid. If she was actually this promiscuous, she would be whoring it up throughout the series.
Kallen was a terrorist in his brothers group and it is possible that they've enjoyed her slutty body for a while before she joined the BK
She also doesn't fall into the cockpit of her mech and just sorta stay there because she seems good at it. I mean, she does in TV, but she's actually joining the unit and wants to be assigned as a pilot anyway.
>Noa is a boy
Shut your whore mouth.
I'd say she is of normal intelligence for a 17-18 year old. Which isn't saying much.
Tamaki was the real retard, as in two or three times less intelligence, and he's certainly older than her.
Well he needed too win in order to make sure that nobody got to Lelouch. The only sketchy thing is whether he planned to fake his death or not at that moment, now I don't believe he held back because he literally couldn't with the Curse of Geass on.
Whatever the case, Curse of Geass helped him fight properly enough to survive and not get killed in the process. In effect, it's like those drugs actual pilots and others take to not lose their concentration. They would still be good at their jobs without it, but mistakes could happen a lot easier.
The same way people hate the thoughts of Orange ending up with the loli kuudere. It works according to the plot, but doesn't make much sense.
>Implying Orange wouldn't achieve harem ending
I want to believe.
It does annoy me that in all the questions and statements that came out post-R2, nobody appeared to ask after Sayoko. They might have actually answered that.
Tamaki was super loyal when things were going well. The instant things went wrong, he was all 'omg Zero is shit, let's turn on him and kick his ass guiz'. Hence low loyalty.
On the other hand, Ougi, prior to THAT particular scene, was usually 'the voice of reason' who argued in favor of Zero and his ridiculous plans whenever Lelouch wasn't there. Hence 'high' loyalty.
R3 Episode 6: Oranges
Jeremiah just couldn't believe it.
His lord was back in action, and even more fabulous then ever. He was his left hand, and one of the three people to know his lords plan to simply fake his death in sake of the plan failing.
''My majesty I have been waiting to demonstrate my loyalty!''.
3 years he has been waiting for their plan to come into motion, and finally he had made his return.
As he walked out of the house and faced the farm he saw how two familiar faces approached him. His two lovers. As he moved over to face them he saw the tears dropped on the ground from his little cute pink haired companion.
No words we needed to express what she felt. She knew he was leaving for war, and she couldn't bare seeing another beloved leave her.
Then suddenly he toke out his handkerchief, and brushed those tears away.
''Wait for me. Both of you. No one shall defeat my spirit and loyalty''.
Then he left with a smile on his face as he left to join up with his majesty and the queen.
>Nah, CC x Lulu
Yes. It's likely to happen, barring sudden shifts.
>Gino x Kallen
No. It could happen, but so far it's nothing.
Shirley did have a few more chances than anyone else, even C.C., because she was always honest. Too honest, in fact. So they needed to kill her in order to open it all up.
Kallen's low INT score stems from her lack of tactical/strategic acumen. She probably has the potential to improve that score if she applied herself to doing so (hence her surprisingly high school grades), but she's more focused on just following orders and charging into combat - someone else can come up with the plan.
By comparison, Todoh is a proper military commander, so his INT and combat scores are both high.
Here you go.
Is there a better version of this image?
I REALLY want Lelouch to be referred to literally only as L-two for the entirety of R3.
It'd make me smile. Can't wait to see what the Geass he grants will be to whoever he grants it to.
He's very good, it seems reasonable to say he's in a class of three.
But his claim is mostly on episode 10. He won, sure, but the way he won didn't particularly establish him as better than Kallen - they were evenly matched before the lights went out.
Ohgi didn't do anything wrong.
By the way, I'm not Ohgi.
Student with caffeine: pays attention in class and stays awake. Result: he gets an A or B+.
Same student without caffeine: pays less attention in class, goes to sleep. Result: he gets a B, C or flops.
>He just died like that? What a bitch.
>What the fuck is he gonna do for the next X episodes?
>What the fuck is this bullshit?
IIRC it wasn't a fun one.
>All the core members of the Black Knights deserve to die.
This is a champion mecha pilot and the kind hearted hero of mankind
All of them but C.C and Sayoko
Why? They are basically a completely different entity now. Lelouch could have easily geassed them but really didn't care about the whole war he just needed their fighting forces to achieve his main goal
I think people get carried away with the assumption that Suzaku intended to be defeated.
It's easily possible that the plan could have had him die of his wounds after the battle or he could have 'died' in the timeskip after the battle. Maybe executed by Lelouch to prove his demonic bona fides.
We have his own words as a basis for believing that he was seriously trying to beat Kallen. It's a hell of a risk that he'd render the Gurren ineffective with a desperate last attack
Well they really weren't traitors so much as following what they were led to believe via Schnizel. Had they known what Charles was doing and what Schnizel would have done, they would have flipped again.
Lelouch wasn't a traitor to them he just really didn't care too much about their japan
Ohgi knew Zero for a long time. If it wasn't for him he would've died and there would be no rebels left.
If anyone should trust Zero no matter what it shoud be Ohgi. Instead he chose to trust a guy he just met.
>The Britannian prime minister lied to us to get rid of our strongest asset? Oh nooooooo, who could've seen that coming! Sorry for wanting to kill you after we spoke five minutes to our main adversary Zero.
To be fair most the rebels under Ohgi just got told what to do.
Ohgi literally did a 180 because schnizel showed up and he knocked up brown. I don't think bad of the BK for just following Ohgi whom they have been following for since ever, but Ohgi's betrayal was shit
the fuck did he do?
It was Ohgi fucking the whole thing up.
Tohdoh was Loyal until Schnitzel began his brainwashing on the Black Knights, and would probably have remained loyal if Ohgi wouldn't have been such a cunt.
Yeah if anything that is the absolute worst writing of the plot in CG
>Hey dude can you kill Zero for me
>Magic eye birds!
>hmmm... I dunno
>Here have Villetta too
>SOLD WHEN DO YOU WANT HIM MASTER
Well, his faggot subordinate was trying to get him to turn as well.
That guy pissed me off. Undermines their forces in the middle of battle and doesn't seem to wonder how this massacre of defenceless civilians he blames Zero for still resulted in the destruction of multiple Black Knight Knightmares.
It wasn't entirely a lie though, more like a mix of half-truths.
Lelouch had also made some crappy decisions (running away to get Nunnally in S1, screaming like a madman to get her after the FLEIJA, the cult massacre at the temple, not defending himself) which helped make the case against him.
>the cult massacre at the temple
The only bad call he made there not immediately geassing all the BK's before/after the mission to completely forget or ensure they respond with something like "top secret" and erase all data about what happened.
That always bothered me why he didn't do that since there was absolutely no downside by doing so
>Guys he has magic powers
>Hes only saving your nation from a voilent foreign takeover for his own reasons!
>Also hes a filthy fucking Brit
>Never mind the leader of the 11 resistance royal family thing said hes a foreigner but its fine last season
The betrayal was so stupid
Diethard is the fucking worst, and is even worse then fucking Ohgi. Ohgi may have fucked Lelouch's plans a bit even through he proved that he could easily take over the world without them, but Diethard didn't just let himself be brainwashed by faglord himself, but even joined him. He is worse then trash, and deserved his death.
Tohdo I kinda see why he swapped, from his perspective most all his friends and such were "killed off". Not to mention his own men were all saying something was wrong, schnizel just kinda confirmed it
With flying mechs and shit I'd REALLY want something more than an audio recording.
>Hey here is a audio of Zero
>But we never heard his real voice?
>Dude it's zero, like I don't have a video or anything but here you go
>Welp if you say so!
They didn't even ask for the tape's autheticity, where it came from, if it was uncut, etc. Not to mention that they shouldn't even recognize Lelouch's voice since he uses a voice changer as Zero. The whole scene is just one big fail
I wonder how far along Gino's and Kallen's relationship will have progressed come R3. I bet they're already thinking about children. The condoms obviously have come off at this point in any case.
Anon, you silly boy, anime relationships are very slow unless you're watching School Days or something. Not only when it comes to Kallen or whoever, but anyone else too. It'll barely feel like a day has passed.
This, it would be one thing if they did some scenes before with Ohgi wanting to kill off Zero or being told to do so by the royal family because they were afraid of him declaring himself as king or something dumb.
Then he could jump on any retarded half baked reasoning to murder him, but nope. Completely left field. Hell its been forever but wasn't Tamaki the only person who was demanding proof and speaking out against murdering Zero at the meeting?
He should just been like Orange and never doubted his majesty to the very end.
I guess the animators didn't want to do it, but honestly there was NO reason for schnizel to not do a video of the whole thing.
>Here's this random guy none of you have seen
>He's also a prince my brother to be exact
>oh and here he is talking to another brit about this
>plz believe me
That whole scene was just so sloppy
Ohgi always cared more about Villetta than Zero. That was clear from late S1. He ended up deciding that living her was more important. In R2, once they came back together he basically followed whatever she told him.
As for the bigger context, I think the idea was they wanted to surprise and corner Zero in the hangar and only shoot him if his answers weren't satisfactory. Kind of jump, but I guess they felt it was more WHAT A TWIST that way.
I agree them thinking children might be a stretch, but normal sex with their relationship of a few years shouldn't be out the the question. After all, Kallen herself has many slut tendencies.
Eh. Orange was an enemy for most of the show. His loyalty was also indirectly based on ignorance of Marianne's fate too.
C.C. needed Lelouch more than he needed her and yet didn't tell him about Marianne. That was kind of a bad move.
>But you said it was caffeine
And Caffine is harnmless. Doesn't enhance much other than alertness Curse if Geass is that only it does even less that since it prevents him from holding back. I also love the fact that you're undermining that the Guren SEITEN is the strongest KMF
Anon, I hope this isn't your first anime. It's not likely they're even a formal couple even if they were interested in becoming one. It's also not a doujinshi either, which is the only place where Kallen has behaved like that (there's a famous series of those where she and C.C. are regularly involved in orgies).
Imagine if that completely backfired
>This is Zero, he is my brother
>Who the hell is that
>O-okay, so this random person is zero? Do you have any proof
>I have an audio recording
>Oh so this person none of us have seen or heard is Zero?
>Yes, here is another Brit saying the same thing
>Okay so our enemy is us that Zero is our enemy based off something and some people we have never heard or seen their true identity.
>Yes he also has a magic red eye bird that can make you do anything! Turn him over to me
>Yeah... we'll get back to you on that
>CC needed Lelouch more than he needed her
I wouldn't say that. When shit went down CC was the only one he could really confide in, she acted as an emotional anchor. She was also his closest advisor.
Caffeine keeps you awake and alert. That's important because without the Curse of Geass Suzaku could have been too exhausted to escape even if the battle happened similarly enough, or he could have slipped and left himself open for a second. It's not a whole extra ability, but alertness is important. I'd say Curse of Geass is even more effective than caffeine because it is magical in nature and not chemical. Not even arguing about the Guren SEITEN being stronger because that's true and not the point.
Anon... You don't call Orange an enemy and get away with it.
He never was an enemy that wanted him dead. He fought for the woman he worshipped with all of his heart. That he what he does. He lives to serve, or else he doesn't have a purpose in life. He was after Lelouch because he believed Zero to be an enemy to the empire and his majesty. If he knew of Zero's identity back in R1 he would never have tried to kill Zero. He was the son of Marianne and Charles for fucks sake.
Yeah that's how normal people would've acted. But since they completely fucked up the show's pacing with the China arc the writers needed to somehow end this thing in five or so episodes so the Black Knights needed to go.
If the enemy commander I have been at war for with the past 2 years showed up and told me magical flying red eye birds to hypno people... I'd really reconsider exactly what I am fighting for
C.C. was all that at certain times, but sometimes she wasn't. Like after R2 ep 6. Lelouch goes out into the wild and C.C. was content to wait back at the submarine. What would she do if he didn't return?
Still orange was loyal until the end. Don't forget that Zero is the guy that ruined his life.
C.C believed in Marianne' and Charles's plan, that's enough of a reason not to say anything.
She was loyal until the end, even knowing that Lelouch had no one at his side after the C world.
Orange was an ally during the second half of R2. That means he was an enemy for one full season and a half. I am just curious about what he'd say if Lelouch told him "sorry, I had t kill my mom again" and whether or not that'd be enough to convince him to stick around.
Did they ever explain why the china arc went on so painstakingly long?
It could have been like 1 or 2 episodes instead of the 4.5-5 it was.
Yeah, I've always thought the betrayal needed to be 2 episodes long. That way the result would be similar but the Knights would look less dumb since the shift would be more gradual.
CoG isn't a fucking stimulant jackass as the other person said it doesn't enhance anything the Caffeine comparison came about because that's essentially how much of an influence it is on him
I think they just paced the China arc normally and had sped things up later. The real time waster, structurally speaking, was the reset. We lost like four or five episodes at the start that could have been used more efficiently.
>The guy who saved my life and all of my friends
>is the only reason we got anywhere
>let's call him a traitor because he stole a knightmare from my wife without even hurting her
It seems reasonable.
I liked those scenes too, but unfortunately they didn't always give her the chance to act like that. Which is part of why he ended up killing himself, even if we assume he survived later.
>I am just curious about what he'd say if Lelouch told him "sorry, I had t kill my mom again"
I actually could see that being a plot twist in R3, someone with geass informed Orange of what lelouch did and he BSoD's and wants lelouch's head.
I think the real shit part was the fact that aside from china's re-enforcements the arc was pretty weak to the overall story
>lol just nuked 6 million of your people but dude we totally are the good guys. Zero is the bad guy because of geass
>Anon, I hope this isn't your first anime.
You're moving the goalposts, and no.
>It's not likely they're even a formal couple even if they were interested in becoming one.
That's just headcanon, anon. You have no idea how far their relationship has come. What we know is that they were close in the conclusion of R2.
>It's also not a doujinshi either, which is the only place where Kallen has behaved like that
So you're a Kallenfag? OK then. As I said previously - Kallen demonstrates many slut tendencies through the course of Code Geas (at one point she was ready to be Lelouch's cum drum without any second thoughts). In R3 Gino and Kallen will have been friends longer than Lelouch and Kallen knew each other. She also believes Lelouch is dead. You DO the math.
Your waifu isn't staying a virgin forever for your self insert characters sake.
>but unfortunately they didn't always give her the chance to act like that
Actually, I wouldn't say "unfortunately". They were accomplices, C.C. wasn't a servant that always tended to him; she still had her own will. Given that he couldn't just Geass her into things or run circles around her with his intelligence, I believe that only emphasizes her role in that regard.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK! HER HAIR LOOKS LIKE PURE SILK AND SMELLS LIKE COCONUT!
No, I am being prudent and realistic. You're the one suddenly jumping to headcanon conclusions.
Anime friendships and even romances can be as slow as the authors want and most of the time, for clear marketing reasons, it's better to not eliminate options for teasing and shipping. That means, in case you haven't realized, the staff has a huge incentive to drag things as much as possible. Which, in anime, is a lot.
And who said anything about that? Stop being so paranoid. None of the girls are actual sluts in the TV series except Villetta at most.
I am just mentioning that there are doujinshi where Kallen and C.C. are in fact showing that behavior, which shouldn't bother you.
But in canon, things are different. That goes for Shirley, C.C. or Kallen. For instance, Shirley never was slut. And C.C. probably didn't sleep with dozens of men before meeting Lelouch. If anything, Kallen second thoughts were shown by her slapping Lelouch instead of sleeping with him.
But thanks for bringing up an interesting point, even if that wasn't your intention at all.
It's not about waifus, but I'm also not a sick motherfucker who needs to imagine orgies as headcanon.
Your what-if doesn't matter
We all saw what happened
If he didn't want to use that moment to fake his death then he wouldn't.
His mech was clearly out spec vs the Guren. He had what? Swords and a pair of slash harkens? Sure his Geass helped him pull it off but 1 on 1 in a real fight there is no contest. Suzaku has dominated her for 50+ episodes and she only even gets away when she runs away.
I agree that's part of her role. But in practice, what would C.C. have done if Lelouch killed himself all alone during one of his moments of crisis though? He certainly couldn't force her with Geass but some of those situations were risky enough.
Yeah the fact that she matched his wits and couldn't be geassed was huge. Lelouch saw her as his only equal, except for maybe Suzaku
C.C. and Kaguya a best girls.
Why do you want to be Kallen?
R3 is going to be 2 or 3 years since nobody looks any different. Ironically, I could see them saying that Kallen and Gino dated but she couldn't forget Lelouch so it didn't work out in the end.
Anon CC supported Zero requiem because she was a good accomplice and it was what Lelouch wanted. Lelouch had thought it over multiple times and it was the only way he saw that could end things. Hell CC did suggest giving up the ZR but Lelouch was adamant in following through til the bitter end. She put aside her own happiness so that Lelouch's dream could be realized.
Negro your poor taste aint sticking
Kallen best grill of the year, every year
Sometimes you need to be independent though. I know C.C. grudgingly accepted Zero Requiem but it wasn't necessarily the best outcome for Lelouch. Well, we'll see how that turned out!
>Wall of text
>S-She only thought about riding two different peoples cocks
>It's not like she actually did it BAKA!
You think Kallen isn't a slut is what I took from that. Funny considering she had feelings for Zero AND Lelouch at the same time, and not your /r9k/ purityfag idea of feelings. Also, your rant about studios is hilarious. As if CG hasn't pulled bullshit that sure as hell wouldn't help the franchise in the past.
Your whole spiel is really cute and naive!
She was independent, she made the decision to trust her accomplice. You can argue a lot of things about CC but I don't think you can say she was about the best accomplice Lelouch could have had.
No, I simply stick to facts. If I didn't know you were a shitposter, I'd call you the naive one. Like ignoring the fact CG already has made plenty of money using harem dynamics, so why would they suddenly avoid it just to please you? Because you need to troll Kallen fans and vice versa? That's dumb. But since you're already going for the gold star in that category, which is not remotely interesting for me, I'll let you have fun calling fictional characters sluts for your own amusement.
>CC and Lelouch
It may not have been romantic but come on, their dynamic was arguably the best in the series
>no chemistry between lulu and her
>Kallenfags actually believe Kallen isn't a slut
>Kallenfags actually believe CC and lulu have no chemistry
It's not even funny but sad at this point.
>>Kallen is the best pilot meme againOh yeah , its so hard to win with a robot that can make explosions Soooo hard to maneuver
Special robots get privileges like that. Mecha anime 101.
>we don't know if CC had kids
>for all we know Lulu could be knocking up his great great ancestor
Well, that's possible but we really don't know.
Come to think of it, we see very little of anyone's ancestors, direct or not.
Shirley's dad gets killed quickly, Lelouch has Charles and I guess we saw Kallen had her mother too but Suzaku's dad wasn't even alive when the show began. Who are the parents of Rivalz? Or Milly for that matter?
Suzuki is the best pilot in the series. Anyone who says otherwise is akin to people who say women are as strong as men. Suzaku literally humiliated Kallen multiple times and probably fucked her ass while she was captured.
Guren at the end was superior spec wise and Lancelot already had used up so much of its energy disarming the FLEIJA and battling the black knights while all Kallen did was attack C.C. If Gino didn't catch her at the end she would've hit the blaze luminous of Damocles and died right then. Despite 'winning', if you can even call it that which it wasn't, Suzaku doesn't even die. She's a dumb cunt who got constantly manipulated by Lelouch and somehow still loves him. All she's good for is her rocking body. Leave the piloting to actual pilots.
Your post was reasonable at first but then got progressively worse. Sure, Suzaku is the best pilot in the series and the final Guren was better than the Albion. That's the part of it which is true and relevant.
Everything else is just nonsense. There's nothing indicating Albion had used up its energy before the fight. If anything, C.C. and her squad actually put up more of a fight than those Black Knights, like Tamaki who just got cut up. If you're measuring dumbness like that, Suzaku and Kallen were both manipulated by other individuals throughout the show. That has nothing to do with anything. They're still both valid ace pilots. Otherwise, it would be like saying Suzaku would be worth nothing if his body couldn't spinkick.
Knock the terrorist bitch out and call the authorities
I'll agree with that, though honestly Shirley couldn't have fallen for a worse person. I still don't think you can call one of the most important characters "kind of there" though
Technically Suzaku still won that one on Damocles anyway.
Both machines were rendered unusable, Kallen was knocked unconscious, and Suzaku managed to somehow eject and survive, completing his objective.
I mean, I'm obviously simplifying here, but while Lelouch and CC had an interesting relationship, it didn't have a tenth of the romantic tension of Shirley's.
Also Lelouch only ever returned one kissu.
I thought that was because of this.
>romantic tension of Shirley's
You could hardly call it "tension". It was quite obvious the schoolgirl that's crushing hard (often as comic relief) on Lelouch's school/public persona wouldn't win.
>using Lelouch reciprocating a kiss from a shell-shocked, grieving Shirley as support
Hardly romantic given the awful situation and Shirley's regret after the fact. Really, should he have slapped her or shoved her off? He's not Kallen.