Almost done reading through the F/SN VN, after this should I

Also -

Should I read or watch Zero?

>>151412510
Watch it.

>>151412510
Both. The novel has sections of plot details and characterization not found in the anime, while the anime is an actually good adaptation unlike UBW.

>>151412338
1. FSN
2. FZ
3. FHA

After that check out Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai and Mahoyo

>>151412608
>while the anime is an actually good adaptation unlike UBW.

Explain.

>>151412611
Carnival Phantasm and All Around Type-Moon also

>>151412635
The UBW adaptation cuts out almost all of Shirou's characterization and fucks up important parts of the story. It's just a mess.
The only major flaw with the Zero adaptation is that the soundtrack gets very repetitive since it plays the same thing during every major fight.

>>151412608
>the anime is an actually good adaptation
>shitty light-hearted filler episode made solely to pander to Rinfags
>Kariya choking Aoi turning into split-second shots of him thrusting his hips in front of her from Brazzers angles
>batcave
>Saber vs Berserker being off-screened
>Sakura's tragic interpretation of Kariya's fate getting fucked up in favor of "le mocking yandere xD"

>>151412510
>Should I read or watch Zero?
READ IT, I can't stress this enough.
The adaptation is only good for it's visuals and voice acting. Ufo fucked up pretty much every single character arc, completely ruined major fights and the pacing is simply atrocious.

>>151414259
What about UBW?

>>151413135
>The only major flaw with the Zero adaptation is that the soundtrack
>>151414259
>Ufo fucked up pretty much every single character arc, completely ruined major fights and the pacing is simply atrocious

Which is it?

>>151412608
>while the anime is an actually good adaptation unlike UBW.
>cutting out the climax of the last volume
Yeah no

>>151414304
Nasu wanted to rewrite it but the staff wanted to adapt the original instead

>>151414304
Same shit, read the VN.
But to be fair UBW did improve the animation and made servants battle like fucking servants for once, it also had better OST (unless you really dig the Kalafina gimmick or hate the VN's music).

>>151414404
This animated TV series will be the first time that the Unlimited Blade Works portion of Fate/stay night, that is, the Rin Tohsaka route, has been adapted. What were your feelings when this production was greenlit?

Nasu: I admit that I did want them to do the Saber Route, but compared to when Fate/stay night was released as a PC game, it's now reasonably well known what kind of story it is. Especially among the TV shows watched by the majority of our users? That's why it hasn't been animated for TV before, and I think it was the right decision to use the Rin Route, with its many battle scenes, as the source material.

In other words, "Fate" titles are already out in the world in many different forms already, so you didn't think it was necessary to use the Saber Route that comprises the first story of the original?

Nasu: That's right. To put it another way, the Saber Route at this point, we ought to make some significant alterations. If we want to keep the plot as-is, the Rin Route is more suitable, and it will seem fresh. It's the most solid of all Fate/stay night, with combat and buildup, and unorthodox approaches. And on top of that, if we could present the themes of the Rin Route across two seasons as a single, long story, it would definitely be worth doing. It's suitable for a weekly format where the story would build up episode by episode, but I also want the audience to occasionally see it as "a long story that deals with a single theme". Mr. Miura, the director felt the same, so we decided to give it a shot even though the bar would be set pretty high.

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>>151412338
>He actually fell for the ''Read the VN'' meme.

Im so sorry, anon.

>>151414334
>Which is it?
Don't worry, you'll be able to tell the adaptation is shit from the very first episode, which is literally 40 minutes of walking in circles and spewing exposition. Or when you realize the first major event in the war takes place at the very end of the first half, which ends in a shameless cliffhanger.

>>151413135
>The UBW adaptation cuts out almost all of Shirou's characterization
When will this meme die?

>>151414810
The whole point of F/Z was building up to the final battles and finding Shirou in the flames of disaster.

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Is the entirety of the LN of F/Z translated? And is it actually readable?

I ask if it's readable because of the nightmare that was NGNL. Pic related. It isn't even the worst of this shit

>>151414947
It is translated and readable but none of the main Fate (FSN, FZ, FHA) have great translations

>>151414856
>The whole point of F/Z was building up to the final battles and finding Shirou in the flames of disaster
The point of the adaptation, sure. And that's why it fails, especially considering they butchered Saber's most important and character-defining battle.
The LN is completely the opposite, the ending doesn't matter, what matters are the character arcs. Urobuchi wrote it as a textbook tragedy, which means you know from the get go that the main characters have a fixed destiny that they can't avoid, but you'll watch them stubbornly struggle to change their fate regardless (with little to no success, of course), and the story is all about that struggle.

>>151414947
There's a full translation and it is better than the VN's for sure.

>>151414856
The whole point of F/Z is to make a standalone story that also functions to put the pieces in place that lead to FSN while explaining while FSN's grail war is so fucked up.

>>151415006
Well, as long as it's similar to english F/SN, then I'm fine with that. I was able to read through SN perfectly fine

>>151415095
>Fate Zero is a prequel
No shit, Sherlock.

>>151412338
>Almost done reading through the F/SN VN, after this should I read hollow ataraxia or should I watch F/Zero?

There's so many different Fates coming out as they milk the franchise fans rather than trying to come up with new ideas. One popular order is:

1. F/Stay Night
2. F/Zero
3. Carnival Phantasm (official parody)
4. F/UBW

While the fan defenders say one thing, for UBW, the creator/author Nasu said that UBW was the most solid and suitable of the Fate paths. So there you have it. The author considers UBW as written to be the best version. That was what he said prior to the fan backlash. After the backlash, the "cover your ass" backpeddling began with the "oh i wanted to rewrite it but others wanted the original". It's almost like Nasu is a DINDU.

>>151414828
When it stops being true.

>>151412338
Nothing. Stop now before you realize how much of a cash cow the franchise has become.

>>151414345
>Yea no

Shit opinion detected

>>151414800
/a/ takes another victim

Just watch Zero and forget about the rest of this overrated videogame franchise

>>151418853
Why even watch Zero? it's basically an edgy teenagers wet dream meets Kalafina advertising.
Watch UBW's fights for the superior animation and OST and call it a day.

>>151419073
>UBW's fights
>superior

>>151414947
F/Z's English translation is about on the level of that NGNL screenshot in places. And yes, I've read all the NGNL translations too. The F/Z LN is pretty awkward to read, honestly, compared to other LN translations or the F/SN VN translation. I don't know if that applies to the original or not.

I'd still recommend reading the F/Z LN if you're a Fate nerd, but the anime is so ridiculously better at presenting the story I can only conclude the anon pushing the LN so hard is trolling.

>>151419307
>human-speed servants
>more talking than fighting
>off screen Saber vs. Lancelot
>CGshit everywhere
>Muh jets
>Muh magical motorcycles
>Muh discount Lovecraftian horrors
>The whole fucking batcave scene
It's shit. Watching Zero for the fights is like watching porn for the plot.

>>151419599
UBW had some of the most boring fights i have ever seen in an anime. At least F/Z fights were interesting and fun to look at.

>>151419720
F/Z fights were slow paced and talky as fuck, it doesn't get much boring than that. But opinions aside, UBW's fights had better animation and were more respectful of Nasu's lore.

>>151419720
>UBW had some of the most boring fights i have ever seen in an anime. At least F/Z fights were interesting and fun to look at.
There's no way you can like F/Z's fights more than UBW's. That's just not possible.

>>151419983
>UBW's fights had better animation
It was just a bunch of flashy fights that all look the same. Two characters are hiting eachother in slow mo, while the camera does circles around them.

>>151420033
>There's no way you can like F/Z's fights more than UBW's. That's just not possible.
I hated UBW in general, the fights are not even the worst thing about it. I gave UBW a score of 2/10 while zero got a generous 6/10.
I liked that they talked while fighting, it was more interesting that way. I loved the fact that more than two servants were constantly interacting. No fight in Ubw had more than half of the servants present (And the fact that UBW servants were bland as all hell, didn't help). I also loved the variety in fights. I'll take chutulu monsters, batcaves, Motorcycles, jets, armies etc. over two bland characters having a super fast sword bashing match, any day of the week,
In summary, Zero = Entertaining and interesting while UBE = Insanely boring and dull.

>>151420732
>UBW servants were bland as all hell
Nigga are you serious. Did you even read the VN?

>>151421001
I got as far as the first Kirei scene, but that shit was boring and i didn't want to waste another 100 hours on fate, so i stopped right there. The VN didnt seem like anything special, just a over hyped relic from the early days of nerd culture.

>>151420732
It doesn't get much blander than the Gilles de Rais and his generic "I'm evil because it's fun/COOL" motivation, pussyfied UBW Cu Chulainn, butchered Lancelot, or a bunch of Hassan clones with zero backstory. The only good servants are the ones that carried over from Nasu's work, Gil and Saber, and Gil's past was butchered in the adaptation too.

>>151421190
>judging the quality of an adaptation when you haven't even read the source material
wew lad

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>>151420732
>Two characters are hiting eachother in slow mo, while the camera does circles around them.
That does not describe UBW in my experience

>>151421243
They were still better than the UBW ones. Even the ones that carried over from Nasus work were much better (Gil wasn't a one dimensional psycho and saber actually had character, instead of being the cooking waifu)

>>151419475
>the anime is so ridiculously better at presenting the story

?

>>151420732
>No fight in Ubw had more than half of the servants present (And the fact that UBW servants were bland as all hell, didn't help). I also loved the variety in fights. I'll take chutulu monsters, batcaves, Motorcycles, jets, armies etc.

First off, you strike me as someone who would greatly prefer the Star Wars Prequels over the original.

More people present in a fight and more crap cluttering the scene =/= good. We wasted two episodes on the harbor for nothing to happen except strong-arming a handicap on Saber and characters making dumb decisions, and spent way too long on the Cthulhu arc which boiled down to wait for Saber's handicap to go away so she can one shot it.

Variety doesn't mean a thing if content is bad. Jets was dumb filler, The Tron bike was ridiculous, and the finale kept jumping back and forth between 3 unrelated fights.

If you really can't looks beyond the most surface level of a fight (oh, it's just 1v1 in a neutral ground), you're beyond help.

>Zerofag Secondary

Oh, that explains it.

>>151421385
>>judging the quality of an adaptation when you haven't even read the source material
That has got to be the stupidest thing i have heard in this hour (My friend just finished Utena, rated it 4/10 and said that it sucked big time). Source material is irrelevant. An adaptation is supposed to stand on it's own, with no help from the source material. I am not going to read visual novels/Books/LN's/Manga, before or after watching every show.

>>151419983
>more respectful of Nasu's lore.
>le invisible air can kill berserker xD isn't Saber great

>>151419073
2006 - Advertisement for the PS2 VN porn free port, mostly the first route but with some part from 2nd and 3rd, and anime-original scenes added in for whatever reasons. Avoid

2010 - Recap OVA of 2006, super rushed cashgrab adaption of Unlimited Blade Works, the second route of the VN. Avoid

2012 - Fate Zero - pretty good adaptation of the prequel LN by Urobuchi Gen of Nitro+. Its best read/watch after completing the VN, but anime-only wise you should only be watching this.

2014 - Unlimited Blade Works TV - cashgrab adaptation to shill Grand Order and the VN re-release onto Android/iOS. Looks pretty, but poorly done by a hack director.

2017(?) - Heaven's Feel movie - part of the advertising scheme for Grand Order that started with UBW TV, quality unknown. Even if its good, Heaven's Feel cannot stand on its own as a complete product without the other 2 routes.

Prisma Illya is a spinoff that's 60-70% fate fanservice and 30-40% mahou loli fanservice. You can watch it standalone, and it'll still sort of work, but knowledge of the main series is highly recommended

>Fate/Zero is going to go down in history as the only decent Fate adaption

>>151421903
don't forget
>I'm almost out of mana but I'll just summon UBW here haha

>>151419073
UFO UBW was not made as an adaption of UBW proper but as a sequel to Zero, and this is painfully obvious in both its added scenes and lines and in the quote by the director were he said that was his goal in making UBW. It has piss poor quality outside of fight scenes which themselves dive over the series, and instead of using the media difference in adaption to their advantage, they make stupid decisions like showing Hercs God Hand ability by having Saber crush him, making all other appearances of him trivial to a viewer. Compare Hercs entrance to Lancelots, and keep in mind that they are supposed to be equally threatening, if not Herc as more threatening since if Archer isn't there he almost cuts Saber in half.

>>151421519
>saber actually had character, instead of being the cooking waifu
Your secondariness is showing.

>>151421752
>First off, you strike me as someone who would greatly prefer the Star Wars Prequels over the original.
Fuck star wars, im a LOGH fan.
>More people present in a fight and more crap cluttering the scene =/= good. We wasted two episodes on the harbor for nothing to happen except strong-arming a handicap on Saber and characters making dumb decisions, and spent way too long on the Cthulhu arc which boiled down to wait for Saber's handicap to go away so she can one shot it.
And all that was more interesting than listening to people talking about shirous motivations over and over and over again or them cooking and having a picnic.
>Variety doesn't mean a thing if content is bad.
So no Variety and bad content is better?
>If you really can't looks beyond the most surface level of a fight (oh, it's just 1v1 in a neutral ground), you're beyond help.
I would prefer if they either have an interesting converstion or a fun fight. I mean, my favorite anime fight ever is the DIO vs Jotaro fight from the 90's jojo OVA. I love it because it is well made, subtle and intense.
>>Zerofag Secondary
And proud of it. I hate the fact that Zero is one of those anime that i am simply not allowed to like. I dont give a fuck about the rest of the fate franchise and if i could send a message to the past me, i would tell him not to watch any other fate related shit.

>>151422123
Fate route and HF wrap up everything introduced in Zero.

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>>151421519
UBW had the worst kind of writing. Rin arbitrarily decides to go in a date for no fucking reason, knowing they are in danger because war where there was no rush about it (if was Shirou with Saber, at least it made sense).

Can we all agree that UBW is the worst route? Fate has the best Saber and Gil. HF has the best Sakura, Rin, Ilya, Archer, Kotomine, Shinji. Despite UBW being her route, Rin gets more character development and focus in HF. And Archer comes across as a whiny bitch in UBW but as a real bro in HF.

>>151422078
>Your secondariness is showing.
So what? Fuck the fate franchise. Your move you anti-vagina-eater.

>>151422123
>im a LOGH fan
>complains about shit fights and endless reiterating of motivations
KEK

>>151421993
Look at HF manga. It simply adapts a route and it's done a fucking good job so far so nobody complains. It's also self contained.

>>151422044
>Compare Hercs entrance to Lancelots, and keep in mind that they are supposed to be equally threatening
Lancelot gets wrecked by Alexander's chariot and Gil would have killed him with a rain of little more than 30 NPs according to the VN. And Herc's first fight made it look like there was no way in hell they could kill him for good. Resurrecting after taking a point blank controlled Excaliblast and then shrugging Archer's nuke is fucking insane.

>>151420732
BW fags always jump to other routes to call for inconsistencies when they're called out for UBW's multitude of them. In Fate, I think Shirou tracing Caliburn is perfectly within the realm of the matters discussed in the said route. Its even expanded upon in UBW.

When Shirou traces a weapon, it is a grade lower than the real thing. When Shirou wields Caliburn, he is able to obtain it because Saber was his servant, he had dedicated his being to be with her and to love Saber, he had been dreaming on matters regarding Kiritsugu, his dad and Saber's prior master, and most importantly he had Avalon inside of him. And as you said his arm exploded. That's a fair exchange you know. I think I recall that Rin uses all of her gems on Hercules at that route too and could not kill him at all, at most injured a limb.

When I read F/SN I was questioning the power levels stuff too when I got to certain points. Nine lives Blade Works was incredibly out of the left field.
But then again, in the end Shirou becomes a vegetable in HF, and even Rin uses up her family's lineage Gem Sword, all of it, from all the alternate time lines.

In comparison there is zero consequence in UBW in comparison. The HGW in UBW is a walk in the park. UBW will forever be the worst route because of what they did to Ilya just to make the reader remember they were reading Fate/ Stay Night.

>>151412338
I feel bad for you OP.
See >>151414800

Now, what's the best route according to you?

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>>151422443
UBW obviously.

*Its the only route where Shirou actually arrives into a healthy and mature conclusion(unlike fate and HF where he arrives at opposite extremes).
* Most badass Shirou with the best lines.
* It also contains the most realistic and dynamic relationship with Rin, which progresses naturally and does not feel as forced as with Saber nor as on-the-surface as with Sakura. Lots of priceless moments of Shirou teasing Rin and Rin teasing Shirou and relationship progression that makes you understand why they care about each other and fit each other.
* It has the focus on the best girl on the whole VN, Rin, with her natural and interesting character growth .
* It is the most "gray morality" route out of all three. There's no "good" answer and both villains and heroes are shown to be flawed people with not that clear of a roles(Caster is one of the most interesting villains in FSN) and the central conflict of the route has nothing to do with "good and evil" but simply about perception of yourself. Hell, even Gilgamesh has understandable and clearly outlines motives in UBW.
* Shinji gets a fitting end. I always found him just getting killed off cheap. Having to live with yourself with the realization at what you did and what you experienced is a fitting price for him. And Sakura gets to have her old brother, before all the nonsense started, back. So Shinji BOTH gets a fitting punishment for his behavior AND becomes a better person from it.
* Perfect ending. Fate ending was great(and HF true felt like an asspull), but UBW ending felt very fulfilling and fitting as Rin and Shirou face the unknown future together, having become better people than they started out as.

>>151422198
Do you unironically not understand the purpose behind Rin's date? And they do take Saber along for protection you fucking secondary.

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>>151421806
You've been constantly talking out of your ass because you have zero idea what the story is actually about since you haven't read the source material.

Sure, you can judge it on its own, but you have no idea how good/bad the adaptation is in comparison to the original (the same goes for Fate/Zero).

>>151422511
>UBW
Noice. Great taste.

The amount of people who obviously haven't read the Zero LN is astonishing. When you do, you'll realize Zero has even more adaptation flaws than UBW. We're talking about major plot points being skipped, entire key scenes being removed, and 180º turns in some character developments.

At this point I'm mainly looking forward to HF cause I really need to see Ufotable animate Hassan.

>>151422660
UBW is the best written route by far. The manchildren are the one defending Ilya summoning shenron out of nowhere, Shirou being stronger than Archer and Zouken being perfectly fine for 500 years and suddenly become retarded for absolutely no reason.

>>151422733
Cite it. Not here to hear some bullshit you just made up. Cite it.

>>151422511
HF is the worst route and includes too many events that for one reason or the other weren't even hinted at in the other two routes. It's really apparent that the result of smashing two routes together didn't really produce a diamond.

The Red Man is a bad character and for that reason the ending of UBW isn't very cathartic.

>>151422833
See
>>151413489

>>151420033
UBW is by far the worst route in VN. The characterization suck ass and turned FSN into a cheap self insert powerlevel fantasy.

I despise Gil, but the climax was forced bullshit and anyone who disagrees is obviousely too enamored with the idea of Shirou as a self insert to be honest about it. ARCHER SHOULD BE FUCKING DEAD. He was already weakened and fading and got trashed badly.

Rin as heroine did absolutely nothing either in the end. She was by far the weakest one with Sakura becoming far more useful in the last stages of HF and Saber remaining consistently decent in Fate route.

It's just the worst route. The only saving grace was the Archer vs Shirou battle, and Winter Forest. Anime did improve Medea as midboss. She was too laughable in the VN and the anime made her menacing with that bus hijack.

>>151421993
>Rule Breaker is a literal asspull
>Kuzuki and Caster are underdeveloped as fuck
>Lancer defying death for no apparent reason
>Archer defying death for no apparent reason

Remind me again why anything made by Type Moon is at all good?

>>151423016
No it isn't, Caster is developed in the VN your fault for not reading it, Lancer "defying death" literally happens in his myth, Archer having independent action and conserving his mana hiding makes perfect sense.

>>151423016
>Rule Breaker is a literal asspull
Its existence and all of its abilitites were heavily hitned at in Caster's short appearance in the Fate route, where she stabs Shirou with it.

>Kuzuki and Caster are underdeveloped as fuck
Caster is decent but yes, both were mainly developed in F/HA

>Lancer defying death for no apparent reason
It's literally in his status screen since the start of the game, and a big part of his legend.

>Archer defying death for no apparent reason
Yes. Every route seems to have at least one huge asspull.

>>151423129
>Every route seems to have at least one huge asspull.
Is it really huge though? It's literally just "lmao nice shot bro." If Archer was to stay dead, it would be pretty easy to write some other way for Shirou to get out of that bind. It's not nearly as bad as "lol caliburn."

>>151422833
>Cite it
Are you asking for a link to the LN?
Or do you want me to copypaste the skipped servant flashbacks, Saber's fight against Lancelot, all the missing Kerry screentime, the differences in the batcave scene, Waver's stoicism in the climax of his character arc that Ufo completely misinterpreted, the inner psychological effects of Sakura's training, and Kariya's for that matter, the omitted mechanics of most of the servant's Noble Phantasms, the differences in Kerry's last fight, etc?
There's just too much that was deleted or changed, we're not talking about a few paragraphs and some irrelevant scenes or interactions.

>>151423184
How did Shirou escape from the mud?

Why was Kotomine surprised of Shirou's projection magic?

>>151423184
I agree that they're less aggravating as the VN goes on. I don't really consider HF to have huge asspulls either (even the True end, which faggots always complain about), it's just that Touko's intervention when there was no previous mention of her really relies on knowledge of the larger universe. Caliburn shit is by far the biggest offender, but then again so is the constant Saber power creep to please waifufags.

>>151423281
>Why was Kotomine surprised of Shirou's projection magic?
Am I missing something here? Why would he not be surprised?

>>151423281
He projected Avalon, which can repel anything (including Grail mud). How did you not get that.

Probably more surprised at seeing Avalon than anything. Also he'd never personally witnessed Shirou's projection until then, much less with such a powerful thing. And really, he most considered him dead the moment the mud engulfed Shirou.

>>151413489
>shitty light-hearted filler episode made solely to pander to Rinfags
Are you referring to the date episode?
Because that was in the VN. It was terrible in there as well, but it was there.

>>151423435
>guy who dislikes one of the most nuanced scenes in the VN can't read
Not surprised

>>151423435
>not getting the point of the date
Sure it's pandering, but it actually serves a purpose in the narrative and character development.

>>151423435
...or you're talking about Zero.

I need sleep. Disregard.

>>151423435
ep. 10 of the f/z anime

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>>151423435
>this retarded
They're talking about Fate/Zero.

>>151423281
>How did Shirou escape from the mud?
Humans are way less susceptible to the mud than servants in the first place, and why do you assume escaping the mud is such an impossible feat? it's essentially a curse, not some kind of magical superglue. Kerry survived for years after being in contact with the mud.

>>151423435
You sir, are a moron.

>>151423270
>>151423311
>>151423435
You know that UBW is a better adaption and dare I say superior to the VN.

You autismos will accept it when UBW is seen as a masterpiece in a year.

Do you fucking retards not realize how many posts her are just copies of shit in the archive? Have you all become so fucking gullible you can't recognize obvious copypatsta spam?

>>151423270
Cutting scenes is good. Do you miss the point what an adaptation is? It's not supposed to make a copy of anything. It's supposed to adjust it to fit on screen. UBW was a chore to watch with an uninspiring OST (his work in Garden of Avalon was much better than the horrible tripe he made for the show, maybe Rin wasn't so inspiring as Artoria) and lifeless camera work in general.

>>151412338
>dumb mobileposter
>rec thread
>>>/wsr/ lurk for 2 years before posting
>>151423655
try saging

>>151423655
Welcome to Fate threads.

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>>151423655
>implying I give a shit

>>151422733
Where can I find a good translation?

In terms of being an adaption UBW was fucking perfect. If you think it was bad give me an example of why.

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>>151423629
I really enjoyed it and I like most of the new additions, but it is in not superior to the VN in sheer caratherization. It also does a lot of weird unecessary shit to try to tie into F/Z better, which just proves that they didn't know exactly what they wanted with it.

>in a year
It's already been over a year since it finished airing, why will one more make a difference?

No F/SN adaptation will ever be perfect, but I sure as hell look forward to all of HF.

>>151423742
It could have been better. The second Archer vs Lancer fight relied way too much on their finishing blow and didn't build up properly.

>>151423748
Watching the anime adaptation of UBW feels like watching a really fast playthrough doing everything 100% correct. What's great about the VN for example is that you have to choose what action you take to survive. I remember vividly that one of the best parts of the entire F/SN VN was when you were taken prisoner by Ilya in her mansion. Thanks to recent depictions of her she's seen by most of us as a kawaii loli character but in the VN she's a creepy devil child that would literally take your soul and put you inside of a puppet for the rest of your life if you fucked up. Just her appearance was scary enough because of the threat of Beserker who earlier in the VN tears your insides with just one swing of his axe sword. All the gameovers made the VN a lot more satisfying as each was incredibly detailed.

>one where Caster severs your head and puts it in a test tube only to be put out of your misery by Rin
>one where you ask one of the students that live with Caster for info only for him to be controlled by Caster as an automatic trigger puppet and stabbing you in the gut before committing suicide
>one where Rider has caught you in her trap and she severs all your limbs, orgasming from your screams..

Shit was great.

>>151423672
>Cutting scenes is good
Cutting the cornerstone scene of a character's arc is not.

>>151423739
>Where can I find a good translation?
>Fate franchise
>having good translations
Not even Extra had a good translation, and that shit was official.

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So this is what these threads are now, just morons trolling morons by reposting random excerpts from the archive which inbred idiots think are genuine replies.

>>151423016
>>Archer defying death for no apparent reason
Wait a second? Was that the same archer that died before? I thought that it was a brand new archer, that was sent there to kill Gil.

>>151423748
>It's already been over a year since it finished airing, why will one more make a difference?

People will apologize to Miura after the terrible HF adaption!

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>>151423742
- Dumbing down a complex and interesting world by not even bothering to cover deep and interesting lore and explanations behind why things happen(ex: Shirou's powers never being explained thus making them complete random asspull, the setting never being explained, difference between magic and magecraft is never explained, magic circuits never being even explained, etc)

- Ruining, changing or dumbing down the characterization of both main characters(Rin and Shirou). Most of Rin's inner conflict and flaws are never apparent. Most of Shirou's tactical thinking, philosophy and sociopathy is never apparent.

- Taking away the tactical aspect of the fights and turning them into asspully powerbrawls of shit exploding. The fact that the said "shit exploding" happens to have a shitshow of shitty lacking choreography that does not even come close to Fate/Zero's fights also does not help.

- Outright skipping Caster's backstory and motivations for sake of a filler episode about her master.

- Taking away most of the romance, by removing the dynamic bickering between the two and making Shirou far more passive and dense(instead of him having intentionally tease Rin). Literally all that this epic romance amounts to in the adaptation is them...shaking hands -__-

- Adding needless anime original scenes that serve no purpose while at the same time failing to adapt crucial monologues and exposition. That includes a completely pointless final episode that should have been an OVA and only serves to make it the main work even more generic harem than adaptation already did, wasting time that could have spent on Shirou's character.

- Awfully uneven pacing that drags pointless sol scenes out and rushes important scenes that should be intense, thrilling and atmospheric.

I think that about covers the main points.

>>151423731
This. I just want Fate discussion without involving /fgog/ faggotry. I could be talking to a bot cycling old posts and I'd be happy.

>>151423859
That's how most /a/ threads feel.

>>151423859
So you'd rather be willingly trolled like an idiot while jerking off someone so pathetic that the only thing he has to do to amuse himself is trail archives a year back for out of context blocks of text to copypaste=

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>>151423857
>b-but I liked Mirai Fukuin. How did he fuck up THIS bad, HFbros?!!!
>I guess based Miura was right after all...

>>151423799
>one where Caster severs YOUR head
>one where YOU ask one of the students
>one where Rider has caught YOU
(You)

>>151423859
Is this how you rationalize being too retarded to realize you're being trolled?

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>>151423821
Now that things cooled down, let's talk about UBW (the new version that is). This series simply works on every level and is a work of art. From the cinematography, the fantastic score by Hideyuki Fukasawa, the themes and characters. I love how serious Miura takes his world and manages to keep you on the edge of your seat for 26 episodes. From that beautiful opening where we see the inferno to Shirou meeting Waver in London.

Miura delivered a work of art, but is misunderstood. I think that audiences and critics simply don't like (or are incapable of) using their brain while watching a movie. The story is told through it's visuals, but in this day and age you need 10 minutes of boring exposition of every single detail without people getting confused.

Time will be kind to UBW and Miura. Who once and for all proved he is one of the best directors of all time and maybe the very best walking this earth. Thank you Miura, thank you for everything.

You might be thinking this is some weird parody. But I mean every single word. Too bad his genius is misunderstood.

>>151423946
Nigga this is 4chan. At least half the posts you respond to are trolling.

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>>151424003
First scrap everything and anything UfoUBW did for Shirou vs Archer, the most important part, because holy shit.

- Don't have Archer randomly cast UBW.
- Give more Shirou point of view, maybe with some flashbacks so we actually GET why he is fighting instead of "look I really want to save people". Shirou recapping what he learned through the story till that point and how his ideals changed would be nice.
- Make Archer more and more frantic and angry as match goes on.
- Properly portray the fact that Shirou is pretty much blindly charging refusing to fall.
- Have Archer look visibly damaged by that last Shirou attack instead of just shrugging it off with "k you won kid".
- If you want to show Archer's "life as guardian", do it properly, show him destroying countries, etc, not killing random muslim terrorists with a bow(that was such a laughable moment)
- Make the DIFFERENCE in their ideologies clear.

No emorock please. No Emorock please. no freaking emorock. Emiya all the way from the moment Shirou regains his resolve.

Second; pacing.

he first season had pacing down to a pat. The problem with it was that it spent itself on unimportant things like 3 minute shots of them eating in silence or Rin's ass, instead of spending that time in Shirou's head or explaining how the world works so that by the time of Ep12 we would be already comfortable and understanding of what kind of person shirou is and why things happen the way they do. The first two episodes are the most consistent and then the show slowly keeps slipping till the temple and bridge episodes that are easily worst of that season

Second season is just, uh what happened? There are moments that give Akame Ga Kill's "worst mood shifts of the year" moments a run for their money and most of content is...less of an adaptation and more an echo.

Out of post space but AS I said many times before, Ufo assigning complete amateurs to work on it "because it will sell anyway" was the downfall of it.

>>151424032
People have been for praising on Miura for 2 years for good reason and not everyone who does it is one person. Fuck, even before UFO UBW he was that guy who directed the best KnK movie.

>>151423985
UBW was a fantastic adaptation.

You though, Fai, never stop shitting up threads with blatant lies about it, while treating Miura like the goddamn Boogieman.

I don't want to get personal, but I've got to ask, are you on the spectrum?

>>151424115
The writing is mediocre to awful mot of the times. Characterization is non-existent so there's no way to like, understand or be impressed by the main character. Lore is mostly completely removed so most of the spoken exposition ends up being nothing more than a bunch of chuuni terminology thrown together. Most of romance is subdued, altered or removed(because we can't have the main character being pro-active or being in charge - that would ruin the trope of generic dense MC being bullied by abusive bitch of a tsundere). Most of philosophical depth the source has rings hollow without actual inner monologues that should flesh out character worldviews. Most of exposition removal, and lack of choreography leads to every scene feeling like an asspull(ex: charcters retreating for no reason, MC pulling servant stats out of his ass flying against gilgamesh).

>>151424115
It's quite fucking obvious he is senpai. I mean shit, have you READ his MAL profile? I'd really rather believe the whole thing is an elaborate persona years in the making.

>>151424316
Hardcore UBW fan is autistic? Waited 5 years for a new UBW anime and hated it? Who knew.

>>151422277
I don't know why Zero fags jack off Lancelot
I mean don't get me wrong, Eternal Arms Mastery and his holy sword are pretty fucking nifty but he's no Herc

>>151422733
I read it and I don't particularly care either way
Though iirc it was implied or outright stated that old man Acht Einzbern was a master in one of the wars but It may have been the shit translation

>>151425138
Herc is treated like shit throughout FSN.

>>151423129
Medea and Rider got a lot of goodies in HA. Shame Lancer didn't really despite him being kinda important to the plot of the game

>>151425222
Probably the TL. I'm pretty sure Nasu's UBW 2nd cour BD interviews clarified that Acht is just another homunculus left by the real Einzbern, with the sole objective of continuing to produce Grail vessels until he got it.

>mainly developed in F/HA

Did they treat her better in the UBW anime?

>>151425309
Kinda, but only if you count it as an extra to the VN. They did fuck all with he myth, but expanded a lot on her original Master.

>>151425244
Oh he's basically Vegeta that was born a Klingon and became a mid tier WWE wrestler jobber but he's absolutely bonkers if you don't make him job nonstop

>>151425244
Herc is so OP he gets dispatched by three different insane situations that shouldn't take place in your average HGW.

>>151414947
They change some lines, but on the whole pretty accurate. Overall it's probably about as accurate as FHA, but a step or two below mirror moon's, which are just straight-up translations without anything extra. That's purely in terms of faithfulness to the original dialogue; read the Japanese.