Flip Flappers

Will Oshiyama survive this?

>>151378483
Perfectionist is never happy with his work.

>>151378414
F Flip Flappers. It was nice while it lasted.

>>151378567
He's a good animator but a bad director.

700 sales?

Vague lame show had a vague lame ending, right? Also the lesbians still on subtext, eighth?

>>151378414
This is by far the biggest disaster of an anime I have ever witnessed. Even shows that start and end pure shit in all regards aren't as bad as Flip Flappers. Literally every aspect of this sow is in the gutter. The director should be ashamed for making an anime this bad, and the studio should go under. This is easily the worst show of the season, maybe worst of the year.

>>151378622
Nah, it's not even bottom three.

Where's that anon from the early Flip Flap threads that would insist this show was the most well planned out anime in years?

I'm watching episode 11 right now and I was feeling like the show was actually wrapping up and connecting the plot points well. How bad are the last two episodes?

>>151378622
Please kill yourself.

>>151378681
12 is great, it's literally just the last 3-4 minutes that are sort of rushed.

Really feeling that career change. RING RING!

>>151378414
I'm actually impressed that it took this long to become a production disaster. Gave me the illusion that 3Hz doesn't suffer from the typical scheduling nightmares.

>>151378681
it's not that, it's just some drama with Oshiyama on twitter that ep13 is struggling.

>>151378622
It's tied with Phantom World.

>>151378681
It has done pretty well yeah. Just shitposting and panicking over the possibility of the final episode being unfinished due to the director just tweeting that "whether we like it or not the final episode will broadcast this week" and the PV at the end of 12 being just storyboards along with a production that has gradually been struggling more and more to get done in time. Most people have no huge issues with the content.

>>151378681
12 had some noticeable visual issues (QUALITY, seemingly-missing cuts, etc.) and a sort of rushed ending. Otherwise it was pretty decent.

>>151378765
I'm amazed that they managed to maintain that degree of quality and attention to detail for like 10 episodes straight before encountering issues

>>151378894

Well I'm glad it's not the story, but I feel bad for the team working on it that they can't deliver a finished finale. Especially since original anime have a hard time doing well to begin with.

>>151378906
It did also have a couple of the best action cuts in the series too.

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S-shut up guys.

Remember shit like Wizard barister or Yatterman night when you talk about production disasters.

>>151379023
If it's unfinished it will ultimately get fixed for the BD release it will just be disappointing and invite a whole tirade of shitposting.

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This thread is now under new management. Undesirables will be sent to the shadow realm.

>>151379042
true enough, though the drawings were not as detailed in those scenes as the action cuts in earlier scenes. I think BD corrections will be able to account for most of the glaring issues.

>>151379086
Well, Twintails looked like shit but it's still not a production disaster, technically. But it still looks like shit, so Oshiyama is kind of honest with his comment.

>>151378622
>This is by far the biggest disaster of an anime I have ever witnessed.
Spot the newfag.

>>151379219
This is legit shaping up to worse than evangelion.

>>151378483
I think it will be his first, but also last time directing an anime.

>>151379181
I don't think we can read too much into the comment to be honest. From all reports of the prescreeningbevent Oshiyama has very high standards for animation. So if you want to be optimistic you could interpret that as him doubting he will be happy with the finished product by his own standards. That is being optimistic though.

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>>151379133
I have prepared a ticket for you to return to the womb.

>>151379269
Evangelion was not a disaster, it was incredible and made the show art. The last episode was better animated than anything in the Rebuilds.

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>episode 13 confirmed to be a disaster by the director himself

I want to die. Why did I even start watching this.

>>151379496
Why do you people make these kinds of posts which are factually incorrect?

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>>151378894
The director is obviously alluding to the bittersweetness of the show itself coming to an end, not with any quality problems for the final episode.

>>151379496
How hard can it be to draw one little kissu?

>>151379640
>sakuga tongue action
If only

>>151379586
That actually sounds like a reasonable interpretation. The first sentence was saying "this photo is in commemoration of my desk working on flip flappers" then the second sentence "whether I like it or not it ends this week".

>>151379577
That anon forgot to type 'production' before disaster in his post.

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Look. We all know Flip Flappers is a disaster.

But can we all agree Cocona is the cutest?

>>151379749
Yes factually incorrect.

>>151379577
They have 4 days to finish this episode and they're not even close to finished.

If you have low standards, I'm sure it'll be fine. But some of us started watching FF because it was high quality in all aspects. I hate watching it degrade when it was so strong for 10 whole episodes.

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>>151379750
Flip Flap is not a disaster and Papika is the cutest!

>>151379750
what a beautiful mess

>>151379750
At long last I've found my daughteru. Adoptable/10

>>151379750
>Cocona is the cutest
That she is.

>>151379793
That's besides the point. Nobody confirmed it was a production disaster. They were making the last episode right up until the station deadline too.

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[shitposting intensifies]

>>151379750
>Slightly went down in animation quality in the last 2 episodes
>ITS A COMPLETE DISASTER
Come on guys, chill out a bit,remember that Madoka just got good visuals in the Blu Ray

>>151379926
Flip Flappers is not the Madoka of 2016.

You're thinking of Soushin Shoujo Matoi.

>>151379788
Yes and then you read his other tweet.
>いつの間にか朝に。スタジオで闘う男たちの背中。小島、亀田、北田。長いラストスパートはまだまだ続く。。。
I'm okay with anything as long as it's not recap or re-airing.

>>151369248
I put together this webm of Cocona's reaction shots to make better sense of her thought process. See if it shows how she came to the conclusion to forgive Papika and Yayaka.

https://streamable.com/x28au

>>151379888
Episode 12 was full of QUALITY, weird cuts, awkward pacing, and the ending was a deus ex machina. I want episode 13 to be better than that.

>>151379963
Flip Flappers is not the Soushin Shoujo Matoi of 2016 either.

Thread theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4LyoUGxVd8

>>151379963
But it has even better visuals than TV madoka for the most part

>>151379888
>They were making the last episode right up until the station deadline too
>Nobody confirmed it was a production disaster
Literally what production disaster meant.

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>>151380022
You're right.

Soushin Shoujo Matoi was actually good.

>>151379926
Yeah, but that's shaft, their whole thing is touching up their powerpoint presentation for the BD.

>>151379984
Indeed still factually incorrect. Literally just saying they are all working hard on the final stretch but there's still work to be done.

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>>151379990
>deus ex machina
>I'm going to repeat this every thread until people stop proving me wrong and everyone hates it without question

You can't fool me, I'm a veteran to shitposting wars. I have over 3000 confirmed kills.

>>151378622
new pasta hoho

>>151380100
That isn't a production disaster. That's not all that uncommon.

>>151380171
You're very optimist and I like that but what you're doing is running away from reality.

>>151379984
So they're all working overtime then. Definitely seems like the animation will take a hit, good thing i have the BD's preordered.

>ep 1
>FLIP FLAPPERS is a MASTERPIECE!
>sasuga nippon!
>ep 12
>Flip Flappers is the disaster of the season.
>two nukes were not enough.

What the fuck happened?

>>151379990
>full
By which you mean a couple of instances.

>>151380280
it became popular (on /a/, which is the worst kind of popular)

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>>151380280
FLIP FLAPPERS IS A MASTERPIECE

>>151380280
Papikana

This thread is a disaster.

>>151380257
Reality is that at the most we can only speculate and this being /a/ will naturally gravitate towards the pessimistic end.

>>151380257
Not running away from anything. None of that confirms a production disaster in any respect. What you are doing is needlessly panicking.

>>151380306
There is at least one abysmal cut that is like a power point presentation or something. That one with Nyunyu flying.

>>151380240
That's because production disaster is very common. But they went from ahead of schedule into this hell hole, and that's not really uncommon either but this is literally what production disaster means.

>>151380280
It's actually still a 9/10.

>>151380280
Shitposting increased as the worst parts of /a/ caught onto the fact that there were a sizeable group of people having fun that they hadn't ruined yet.

>>151380427
And even there they were smart enough to make the real bad one a connecting scene that really doesn't matter all that much.

>>151378622
Not the worst, but the story is embarrassing.
Few times I witnessed phrases and developments so childish and absurd.

I expect the BDs to fix the pacing and QUALITY issues. I wouldn't mind them going full NGE last episode with this one right now

Pure Audio and all

Some audio-only scenes would fuel speculah nicely

>>151380280
Nothing just some morons that are memeing

>>151380515
Nah you see doing it properly is like Keijo, where everything looks fine apart from the action scenes in your climax.

>>151380280
It was always bad. The characters are shit and nonsensically inconsistent, the story is terrible, the animation is lazy, it's all just shit.

>>151380552
A fun fuck you finale would be grezt but I'm afraid they will decline the chance to make history and just wallow in rushed mediocrity of the most conventional kind instead

>>151380427
Yep. Like I said a couple of instances.

>>151380476
You have a very lax definition of a production disaster.

If things were really bad they'd just delay it till next year. Not unprecedented by any means. Just chill the fuck out.

>>151380601
yes but enough about drifters

>>151380552
What I'm most worried about is that they'll sacrifice the ending to get it completed.

>>151380690
Better thanFlip Flappers. It's the worst show of the season and maybe the year.

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Reminder that the director liked this.

>>151380280
It started out a 9/10 and became a 6/10 to be perfectly honest with you family

If an okay show becomes bad, I don't really care. When a great show becomes okay, I feel cheated.

>>151380774
Stop tweeting him, he's just procrastinating on twitter.

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>We will never know what Nyunyu's true purpose was

>>151380750
>I posted it again ma!

>>151380401
No, you don't get it. What's happening to 3hz now is very common and literally every other studio went through this. And what happening is right now is called fucking mismanagement and shit ass scheduling. But this happens all the time. Sending the tape 1 hour before airing, normal. Finishing editing on the day the show airs, normal.

Production disaster is normal. This is the current situation of the industry. And if you forgot, A-1 production assistant killed himself because of this shitty working condition.

>>151380811
A subversion of a seemingly menacing psychpath

>>151380366
My life is a disaster

>>151380552
>Pure Audio and all
I will change my mind and defend the show to death if they dare make something like that. With aesthetic noises, musique concrete, "expressionist" voices, and shits.
>>151380633
>Yep. Like I said a couple of instances.
I'm not that above guy. I'm still not sure if it's full of animation mistakes or just a couple of them. My biggest gripe is actually the cuts by the way, not the animation quality.

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>>151380750
you have to go deeper shitposter-kun, why not worst show EVER?

>>151380862
No I understand perfectly well and I am telling you your definition of disaster is rather lax if you think that a bit of quality and an unfinished cut are a disaster by any stretch.

If #13 Flip Flap flops, I'll off myself.

Sure, sure, but which one was the disaster? Freud or Jung?

>>151380973
Well i'm not really talking about that so sure?

I'm only saying that FlipFlap having production disaster is not wrong and is actually very common.

>>151381010
Freud's the real disaster, obsessed with sucking his mother's nonexistent cock.

>>151381010
The show was good when it was innocently playing with penises. The shadow and Bad Mothers ruined everything

Freud>Jung

>>151380801
Well it's not about your feelings, so big whoop. Episode 13 has the potential to change my impression, but it has never dipped below a 7 for me. Those dips were extremely short too.

if /a/ hates flip flappers so much how do we fix it?

>>151380884
I will change my mind and defend the show to death if they dare make something like that. With aesthetic noises, musique concrete, "expressionist" voices, and shits.

Imagine they take background concept art and run it into the spectrogram of the episode's soundtrack, or some other batshit creative thing regarding sound

>>151381089
It's exactly what we are talking about and yes you are wrong. Calling something commonplace a disaster is like calling a night with heavy rain a disaster on the same scale as a hurricane.

>>151381226
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r

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>>151381226
The majority still likes it, it's just that the cynical naysayers are heavily present in this thread since all the positive people are away.

>>151381233
It's just gonna be an intern farting into a microphone for twenty minutes.

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You guys have been really negative lately. Was the show really that bad to you?

>>151381226
By memeing it to the top
Praise kek

>>151381135
Joyful Adventures into the Collective Unconscious >>> Oedipic Mother: the Movie: the Game

>>151381347
Half the time I feel like these posts are actually shitposters trying to invite shitposting.

>>151381226
By making more of it.
4 2 cours seasons, 11 OVAs, 3 manga spinoffs, an LN tie-in and two feature-length theatrical movies.

>>151381271
Okay fine, we're talking about two different things. Just to clarify, I'm talking about scheduling and only scheduling. I don't have any opinion about unfinished episode or animation quality, at least not in this context.

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>>151381313
You are correct, I am to busy being drunk and listing to r/a/dio to argue. I still love love LOVE FLip Flappers

>>151381347
Ignore the shitposters. I still love this show. >>151381351 is probably a good representation of the kind of people who shitpost in these threads.

Look.

I just want to fuck Cocona.

Who the FLip cares about the story?

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>>151381408
I guess I shouldn't ask.

>>151381437
Just it being 2 cour would have been perfect.

More time for Papika introspection, proper placement for flashbacks, more PI adventures, more Salt, Sayuri and Hidaka development, a proper job for Nyu, etc

It would fix literally everything

>>151381504
Cocona is not for fucking.
She fucks you.

I want to smell Papika's butt.

>>151381476
It's the same thing. Scheduling isn't important in itself. Nobody praises a show for how fantastic its scheduling was. It's the fact that poor scheduling leads to poor output that people care about. A production disaster occurs where poor scheduling for example causes hugely detrimental impact on the quality of the end product or even a missed broadcast.

>>151381584
Then it would've dragged at parts. Like, almost guaranteed. In fact, it'd be an overall less cohesive package.

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I'm in love, /a/.

>>151380549
Was that not done on purpose?
I thought it always tried to maintain this child-like wonder, even in dialogue

>>151381588
No.

I'd fuck Cocona.

But I wouldn't like Cocona fuck my anus if that's what you're implying.

>>151381531
Nah it's just that I feel like a lot of the negative comments are so transparent that I fail to see how people could legitimately get the impression that it's anything other than shitposting.

>>151380280
Mimi happened
Dramatic plots that didn't even get a proper conclusion happened

What a fucking waste. They shouldve never attempted to tell Salt/Mimi's story. It would've bern interesting enough if it was just girls going on magical adventures learning about the world and each other.

>>151381347
Consider this

Group A thinks the show went to shit
Group B loves the fuck out of the show

We've had at least half a dozen threads with plenty of discussion about the episode and what could have been better or whatnot.
Which group do you think is going to get the most out of continuing to post in threads for a popular(on /a/) show that discussion for which has been mostly exhausted?

>>151381497
Fuck you nigger. I adore the show too and when there's an actual topic to discuss I would try to contribute rather than fuck around.

>>151381639
>This goddess will never fill you up with her healing juices like she did to papika
just delete me from the universe right fucking now

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>>151381639
Yayaka is just perfect.

>>151381717
I don't make the rules, that's just how it is.

>>151381347
Nah the show still top 3

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>>151381478
YaPiCo, the story and the general design made this show for me, nothing can take that away.

>>151381630
What the hell anon that's what I've been saying all this time. And scheduling is important, people do praise a show with fantastic scheduling. You're agreeing and disagreeing with me at the same time what the heck.

>>151381805
>when there's an actual topic to discuss I would try to contribute rather than fuck around.
If you want to shitpost, go back to /pol/.

>>151381625
I want Papika to take a huge wiff of my cock after a long day in the sun.

>>151381744
Probably because there are actual people who disliked the new direction of 10-12 but don't feel confident defending their dislike against /a/ and feel like the shitposting gives them some kind of representation. It's easy to hide behind the guise of shitposting when expressing an unpopular opinion you don't feel confident in defending. The presence of an actual dedicated shitposter makes it easier

>>151381890
He's just saying that calling it a disaster is too far-fetched. A disaster implies a sudden collapse or destruction, a catastrophe, not a normal routine shit that gets churned out.

>>151381243
Underrated OC

>>151381833
That's 200% cute

>>151380811
Nyunyu is the key character. Without her the whole story falls apart.

>>151379750
>>151378622
>>151378579

Jesus christ, how new are you?
This show isn't even near disaster at all, if you talk about production issues.

Instead, they are fucking lucky that many great animators willing to help their awful schedule.

>>151381890
No I am not agreeing with you. Literally nobody cares about production scheduling as long as it has no impact on the final product besides maybe a few kyoani fanbs who take it as a point of pride that the studio is great at it. Besides that nobody is going "this episode looked great, no faults at all, but it had 10 animation directors so it was a production disaster".

>>151382094
>Besides that nobody is going "this episode looked great, no faults at all, but it had 10 animation directors so it was a production disaster".

I've seen it happen.

>>151381946
Trump is going to make anime great again whether you like it or not. Flip Flappers is just the beginning.

>>151381976
I don't know why that would be the case though when it's not just shitposting we manage to have some very interesting civil discussions about what could be done better. I think those kinds of low effort posts may partly be genuine opinions of people that are too lazy to defend them though but a lot of the time it starts suddenly and then keeps going steadily which makes it transparently intended just to annoy people.

>>151382181
>make anime great again
Does that mean more yuri or less?

Flip Flappers is going to get an Eva ending to cement its status as the new Eva of anime.

These talks about production issues aren't even real. They're just there so we can get the ending we're going to get.

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Let's talk about the best boy.

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>>151381744
I see. Well I thought a lot of it was genuine, but maybe only a bit of it.

>>151382292
More of every genre and, more importantly, better shows in every genre.

>>151382293
>new Eva
>flopped hard and will be forgotten once it ends

Does not compute

>>151381976
What the fuck are you talking about? Confident to post an opinion on a fucking anonymous imageboard? Are you Cocona?

There was plenty of negetive critique for the last few episodes and their direction, episode 12 killed the hope some anons have had (mine included but I'm still looking forward to the ending). The worst part is that you fucktards assume everyone with a bad opinion is a shitposter/shipperfag/comfyfag/plotfag or I don't even know. Most of us are disappointed fans.

>>151382181
When is someone going to make /a/ great again and ban all the /pol/acks?

>>151382310
If you aren't in these threads 24/7 it's probably harder to spot. I mean look at this it's been around for days http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r plenty of opportunity for those who genuinely hate the show to vote but only 9 people have bothered.

>>151382094
Production disaster don't always means low quality output. Imas CG have abysmal production and the last episode still looks good. So even if Flip Flap behind the scenes are absolute disaster, it might still looks good.

By saying that it has production disaster, I only mean that they have shit scheduling, Just that. I don't have any opinion on what i think it would look on TV.

>>151382358
No, everyone that posts "worst show ever lololol"-tier comments or repeats the same post about asspulls for hours is a shitposter

hth

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>>151381833
Her outfit is the best too.

>>151382445
The opposite of love is indifference. The people who claim to hate the show really love it. They just express it in a negative way.

I go to social media for one minute and Crunchyroll is drunkposting about Flip Flappers while several autists continue making Papika placenta jokes

>>151380280
Plotlines that were foreshadowed never happened so it feels cheap.

Why show a dead girl episode 1 then kill no one? Why allude to papika being a dog then have her be a normal person? Why have yayaka survive a catastrophic cliffhanger? Why introduce a new MC then have her do nothing?

They should have just taken their time, gone through the story at half speed, and let it end in a cliffhanger. It would have been frustrating, but it would be frustrating because it was good.

>>151382546
>several autists continue making Papika placenta jokes

don't be mean to futanon

>>151382358
The majority are fine with negative opinion but if it's expressed in a lazy way, seems to intentionally misrepresent or misunderstand the show on a factual level or makes hyperbolic statements people are bound to take that as shitposting.

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Crashing this thread with no Sayuri!

>>151382558
>Why allude to papika being a dog then have her be a normal person?

are you alright anon
i think you may need help with your brain problems

>>151382505
Yeah that isn't a production disaster. It's just bad scheduling.

What went wrong with the show? It started off really strongly as well.

>>151382695
Fuck off.

>>151382445
Not really 24/7, I just read the threads I missed in the archive. Mostly just to save images, but I still catch some surface-level discussion.

>>151382247
He totally took the madoka bait earlier. His ego couldn't let him pass the chance by. It should be obvious at the point that the low effort shit is all one autist

>>151382642
>He wasn't paying attention
Shame

3hz will find a way. Right guys?

>>151382695
With this kind of industry, it's not always a guaranteed quality even with big names (which certainly Flip Flap is not). Shows that are good early on and in the middle can become bad at the end. Shows that are bad early on can become better at the end. Shit like that always happen in the anime industry.

>>151382358
>Are you Cocona?
I wish

>>151382540
>You will never henshin into a Pure Yuri Fairy by realizing and accepting your true feelings, after previously becoming Punished Yayaka the Joyful

feels bad man

>>151379496
Wait, what? Are you grossly exaggerating or did he actually say something to that effect?

>>151382867
There's been nothing but gross exaggerations in these threads since Thursday.

>>151382558
>Why allude to papika being a dog then have her be a normal person?
I really hope you are not serious

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>love the show but was disappointed with episode 12
>mfw any attempt at criticizing this episode will be dismissed as shitposting because of stupid shitposters posting before me
I just hope episode 13 wraps up this show well. I really really want to remember it as something great.

>>151382941
Checking the archives may be shocking to you then.

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>Cockona

>>151382867
Director posted a photo of his desk on twitter saying "photo in commemoration of my desk for flip flappers, wether I like it or not the show ends this week" followed by another tweet with images of the main animators stating that they are all working hard on the last stretch of the show but there is still work to do. This was followed by people freaking out and gross exaggeration and unneeded panic.

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>>151382943
A lot of people that love the show were disappointed with 12. I didn't think it was bad per se, just below average when the bar was already set pretty high by previous episodes.

>>151382943
Try stating the reasons you dislike the episode and see where we go from there.

>>151382940
There are high expectations for this finale. Expectations for it to either fail spectacularly or to deliver the impossible.

>>151383091
Oh, that. That's not of much concern. Better yet, if they're working themselves to death, maybe it'll show in a positive way in the last episode.

I hope.

>>151382558
>Why show a dead girl episode 1 then kill no one?
To show the audience that Papika doesn't care about her partner being dead. Characterization. It also establishes the danger of attempting to enter PI but that's made clear later on.
>Why allude to papika being a dog then have her be a normal person?
I don't think they wanted people to think she actually WAS a dog, just that her personality is similar to that of a dog. Loyal, simple, excitable, energetic, playful. More characterization
>Why have yayaka survive a catastrophic cliffhanger?
I think it would be needlessly cruel to kill her off after the struggle she went through. It gave her the chance to redeem herself and she clearly did.
>Why introduce a new MC then have her do nothing?
Nyunyu? She's not an MC at all and her doing nothing but fuck around with Bu is absolutely hilarious. Also loli bait which I appreciate

>>151383091
>wether I like it or not the show ends this week
Maybe he just liked working on it a lot and is sad this will be the last time.

>>151383015
here's a hint smart guy
everyone is aware of puppyka
but if you ever thought that would be a plot point you're fucking retarded

>>151382943
You shouldn't be if you discuss it while remaining calm, are not insulting people, not being hyperbolic, being reasonable and are willing to give justifications for opinions.

Did they just forget about the KKK guys after one episode?

>People actually think that AB-chan was dead
She was clearly just passed out. Do you really think someone like Sayuri would work for Flip Flap if they were killing off girls, considering how she reacted when Yayaka was injured?

>>151383199
>if you ever thought that would be a plot point you're fucking retarded
Papika being loyal as a dog to Cocona is the direct result of being saved from jail by Cocona. This is the plot point.

>>151382624
That's what I have a problem with. I understand ignoring the obvious shitposts of "really feeling that writer change top three not so good aside of its animation" but if 15 different anons said the last Mimi scene sucked hard do they really need to write walls of text for their opinion to count?

I don't know what happened to these threads.

How I would fix Flip Flap
>its shown that Papikana is well and truly dead, having been killed by evil Mimi in a self sacrifice to save her friend and the child her friend treasured more than anything
>Somehow the body is left to de age in PI and becomes a wholly different person, Papika
>this new Papika was never meant to be Papikana, or have Papikana's memories
>Mimi carefully gave Papika those memories to make Cocona, not just jealous, but also taking down the growing self confidence she had

>>151383196
That is a possible interpretation, the other is that he's worried but given the commerative photograph the idea that he meant he would miss it seems tenable to me.

Is the animator from Mob Psycho going to help out with this episode like last time?

>>151383223
They got clover'd

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>>151383223
They're all dead.

Why does a side character suddenly dominate so much in the later part? This shit is so basic writing mistake.

>>151383275
Latest episode was bad and rushed. Animation being shitty didnt help one bit.

>>151383275
If they aren't willing to justify it most will consider it a shitpost in any thread for any show.

>>151383334
Yayaka being a superior fighter is a consistent plot point. Papika being a weaker fighter is just to show her perseverance and resolve in protecting Cocona.

>>151383400
Not Yayaka, but Mimi. She basically moved the entire plot of episode 11.

How I would fix Flip Flap
_______________________________________________________________________
__________kiss between papika and cocona____________________
_______________________________________________________

>>151383448
Mimi's plot started from ep 1. I don't see your problem.

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>>151383119
First half was great but the second half was very unsatisfying. I had no problem with the actual story but the way it was presented felt lacking and kind of rushed. The part where Papika was mind raped was supposed to be horrifying but it felt off somehow. A decent amount of time was spent on Salt and Sayuri doing almost nothing which could have been condensed to a 10-second montage of their actions with Salt talking about his plans.

Also the way the episode ended felt very anticlimatic, the transformation was sudden with very little time given to make the audience wonder at the new costumes (unlike episodes 1-3 which showcased the transformations beautifully), and was simply no impact behind that final punch, it just sorta happened. I've have very minor peeves with Oshiyama's directing styles here and there but this is the first time it's been a real problem during an episode.

>>151383203
>not insulting people
Tumblr called, you need to go back.

>>151383448
Why do you think the primary antagonist is a side character?

>>151383448
what is an antagonist

>>151383275
>but if 15 different anons said the last Mimi scene sucked hard do they really need to write walls of text for their opinion to count?
of course not, but when people don't share the opinion that the scene sucked, that should be the end of it. Instead some people insult others for having "low standards" or some other unrelated bullshit. That's when things get ugly

>>151383511
>I want to shitpost and have no one call me out on it
/pol/ called, you need to go back.

>>151383497
Sounds like the common problems that most people had. I liked the episode overall but think the last three or four minutes could have been much better if everything had a bit more time to unfold.

>>151383491
>okaeri
How did she know Coconuts was coming back?

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>>151383497
Agreed on all accounts really. The only part of the episode that really had any emotional impact was Yayaka's transformation.

>>151383278
>Mimi carefully gave Papika those memories to make Cocona, not just jealous, but also taking down the growing self confidence she had
That's extremely cruel. I don't think Mimi is all bad but if it turned out she pulled that shit, no forgiveness.

>>151381760
The Mimi plotline would have been fine if they never introduced EvilMimi. It would have been a heartwarming story of an over protective mother learning to let go of her daughter. Instead it's being played out as an evil demon thing that possessed Mimi.

>>151383511
You can't expect to be taken seriously if you can't argue well enough to not need to rely on ad hominem attacks.

>>151383491
She isn't revealed until much later on. All we know is that Mimi's shards can literally be everything, a memento or some sorts, not even a person.
>>151383517
>>151383540
The primary antagonists were the KKK for more than half portion of the show. To make her the primary antagonist means she had to establish herself way before episode 10, and not just that retarded Mimi shouting that Papika did. Because of that, she's nothing but a side character right before the sudden reveal.

>>151383628
I expected emotional payoff instead I got a confession scene that only makes sense after rewatching and spoonfeeding by other anons. Got all the plot points but still disappointed by missing the expectation.

>>151383497
This. Cut the Salt parts and extend the final 3 minutes to 6 or 7 and the episode is fixed.

/a/ only thinks it's bad because they have trouble following the plot, even though it's not that complicated.

>>151383753
>I got a confession scene that only makes sense after rewatching and spoonfeeding by other anons.

I don't want to be mean, I really don't but I am. You are stupid, you are a fucking idiot. Nothing in this series needs to be spoon fed if you pay attention and have anything beyond a 6th grade education.

I am sorry anon, I really am. Have a great Christmas

>>151383867
Normally I'd call this shitposting but the amount of people getting what happened wrong makes me agree. Not that the pacing didn't harm the conveying of it though.

>>151383867
What a blast from the past. This really has been a wild ride holy shit.

I think just Salt falling off his fucking motorcycle then acting cool in front of Sayuri fucked up the flow of the episode. Not only was it poorly animated, but it was just downright awkward and unnecessary. If they just showed them zooming off into the distance with Bu and Nyu following behind, the episode wouldn't have felt half as awkward.

>>151383867
The plot is handled very poorly, let alone how full of cliches it is. I always shrug it off because it's just anime and at least the animation is good, but not anymore because it's been quite insulting for the last two episodes.

Flip Flappers is a shining example of the crass commercialization of television prohibiting the individuality of animators and artistic expression. The mechanical forcefed narrative and decided focus on character drama specifically has opened up the show's flaws more than ever. The characters are blank slates with little to no expressions or personality beyond being watered-down archtypes from the Precure franchise. The fantastical setting let the show shine through the effects/action animation while covering up the lacking character acting but that's been gone now since episode 10. The flow of events is so amateur, there is no impact or emotional weight behind anything that is happening right now but the creators aren't even aware of this. They actually believe they are exploring meaningful coming of age themes with these skeletal characters while in reality this is just a trite and generic sci-fi story supported by commonly held beliefs. This is possibly the biggest disappointment of the year and an eternal mark of scorn on Oshiyama's career. He should have just worked as an episode director for Yuasa rather than have the audacity to create a television show with no sense of structure or narrative competency.

>>151380811
She has quite broad shoulders, for a girl

>>151384030
>shrug
*shrugged

>>151383753
I mean I felt there was an emotional pay off definitely but just that it could have been more substantial if the scenes of importance had more impact. I could feel myself becoming emotionally moved but then it had already moved on. If that Mimi conversation even had like a hug and a head pat I probably would have cried.

>>151384038
What site is this from this time?

>>151384018
I think the fact that this happened early on really coloured people's perception of the episode. If it had happened right after Yayaka's henshin fight, nobody would have cared. The fact that it preceded all the good parts set this doom and gloom tone that caused people to overlook the good and obsess with the bad

>>151384038
Where is this copy pasted from?

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>>151384038
Except that the first 10 episodes or so were actually quite wonderful. Also Precure gets an entire year to develop characters.

>>151384038
>He should have just worked as an episode director for Yuasa rather than have the audacity to create a television show with no sense of structure or narrative competency.
He worked for Yuasa?

>>151383952
I don't have a problem being called stupid as all I think of how this show can be made better. I was just wondering if it's just my stupidity or the confession scene should have been made more accessible because among the people I know of and legit criticism here, most didn't get the emotional punch of the scene. Also, I'm not talking about previous plot points needing spoonfeeding if you read carefully.

>>151381833
Yayaka a cute. I hope she doesn't get neglected

>>151384030
If you think that's insulting you clearly don't watch very many anime. I mean sure, it's not super clever, but I can't name a show this season that is less simplistic.

And yeah, you're going to say muh Great Passage. But you'd be wrong.

>>151382294
>Took the glasses off
>Went from the funniest side character to generic pretty boy

This is like the main girl of a romance series cutting her long hair off; you remove the majority of the character's traits in doing so.

>>151383867
For me it's just personal distaste in the direction it's going. I was really hoping the KKK would be the final boss. Instead it's Mimi, and they even pussied out from giving her some real character. She's locked up all her life, her lover refuses to run away with her, and then later some old fuck is about to take her baby away. She has every reason to get mad at the world and destroy the research facility along with taking her daughter to PI. But what happens instead? She "switches" with EvilMimi, and now the real Mimi is asking Salt and Cocona to stop her. It's weak writing.

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>>151378414
Ahhhhhh

Oshiyama liked my Christmas tweet that I sent him!

D-Doushio!

>>151384038
>prohibiting the individuality of animators and artistic expression
The entire thing is mostly Oshiyama's idea. He's doing a talk in January about the world view.
>forcefed narrative and decided focus on character drama
This is planned and foreshadowed from the start. Nothing is forced about it.
>characters are blank slates with little to no expressions or personality beyond being watered-down archtypes
>covering up the lacking character acting
These assertions look more like trolling now.
>no impact or emotional weight behind anything
low quality bait
The rest is also bait level content.

>>151384038
The anime fandom really are a bunch of disgusting ungrateful morons. Someone tries to be ambitious and make something creative. Sure maybe they failed to pull it off in your book but to be so far up your own ass that you are talking about the "audacity" of someone to try to create something great where a lot of hard work and love has gone into it clearly is utterly dispicable.

>>151384734
Merry Christmas.

>>151384554
>She "switches" with EvilMimi, and now the real Mimi is asking Salt and Cocona to stop her. It's weak writing.

I am going to have to disagree with you. KKK would have been "weak writing". It would have been the stereotypical fight the evil organization end.

With Mimi we get a much more personal end. The switch between good/evil just represents the duality of her personality. Its the drive to protect your child and to let your child go free to live their life. I thought the ending and the choice of final antagonist worked perfectly for the story.

In the end its about Cocona becoming independent and moving forward with her life and Mimi works better then the KKK

>>151384734
You didn't use the version with the fucking star you amateur.

>>151384453
It's not just you. That svene had no impact
Not to mention both characters didn't change, and everything is fixed by screaming aimlessly

>>151384805
I sent this before you guys shopped the version with the star.

>>151384855
Alright I forgive you anon.

I actually like Oshiyama's rapid cuts though. It does feel 'mechanical', but it reminds me of those post-romantic dramas (some films were influenced too) where they refused to totally make the spectator identify with the actors. The problem is it's actually not consistent enough. In episode 7 you got that, but episode 6 before was a cheap tearjerker drama acting.
>>151384505
Why should I compare it with other anime this season? What else? Hibike is a hilarious youth drama with terrible animation choice (albeit consistent). Also, it's not whether it's clever or deep. It's just like being polished. Like, lol, they fucked and Mimi had a child, Salt anguishing and slammed the glass, the typical not-so-good-sound-quality played in. It's actually got some nice cuts, but ultimately got undermined by me laughing it off in sheer disbelief of how bad it was.

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>Previous FF threads have mostly been praise
>Now it's mostly hate against the show and 3Hz
What happened?

>>151384799
>In the end its about Cocona becoming independent and moving forward with her life and Mimi works better then the KKK

I wouldn't have a problem with it if the KKK wasn't defeated so easily. They were built up as a powerhouse capable of producing genetically modified warriors and technology that makes Salt and crew's look like a joke. An actual fight would have been appropriate.

As for Mimi herself, the switch thing should have never been included. Both Salt and Cocona have visions of Mimi telling them to stop her from being evil, so it feels like a cheap way of having an evil villain without making Mimi look like she's at fault. Like I said, her entire backstory is a perfect setup for her to become truly over protective. It would make talking sense into her a lot more satisfying knowing she was redeemed instead of having her good side come back.

>>151384967
okay.jpg
why are you on /a/ where seasonal anime is discussed when you think everything is laughably bad
for jojo threads or what

>>151385098
I've always been critical of the show, despite liking it. These people are just delusional ANN and sakugablog drones.

>>151385098
Sakuga and episodicfags on suicide watch

>>151384811
You went to the other extreme though. That scene has less than the expected high impact but to say it has no impact is just unjustified.
>both characters didn't change, and everything is fixed by screaming aimlessly
This is wrong though. All the plot points, how they changed, why they are calling each other, are presented thoroughly in the ep.

>>151382558
Are you retarded?

>>151385150
>These people are just delusional ANN and sakugablog drones.
To say a little bit more, they like the show when those expert figures say positively, then hate the show when the same people turned their back from the show.

>>151385154
Last episode had some of the best sakuga in the show and even received praise from the same people disparaging the previous weeks episode.

>>151385147
Obviously to go into show threads and complain about how they're not cineaste enough for his filmschool tastes.

>>151385147
because FLFL is good?

>>151385098
The shitposters have new ammo to use because of tweets by the director of the show.

>>151385150
Being critical is fine, your opinion is always welcomed. The insulting autist shitposters who add nothing to the discussion aside from flaming people or baiting are the ones that are disliked.

>>151385119
>I wouldn't have a problem with it if the KKK wasn't defeated so easily.

I guess it depends on what your expectations are for the story. I always saw it as the story of Cocona so I only cared about the KKK insofar as they were able to help tell that story. When they were thrown away for Mimi it seemed very appropriate to me.

I can see where you are coming from if you had a much different story in mind from the beginning.

>>151385147
Everything else is shit. This show is (was) the only worthwhile one this season aside from Fune Wo Amu.
>>151385267
Sup, Chapman.

>>151385218
i hear it's unbelievably bad, actually

>>151385150
It's good to be critical of everything regardless of how much you like it.

>>151385267
>because of tweets by the director of the show.
Care to fill me in anon? I just hopped in after a few weeks of absence

>>151385098
It started actually getting popular in the west outside of /a/
Then episode 12 came along and disrupted the "it's perfect sakuga every episode also queer theory it's PC as fuck shitlords" myth
Now they hate it
And that hate extends to the tourists who come on /a/ in droves and outnumber actual anons
And shitposters adopt the rhetoric of the tourists because what better way to piss people off than just try your hardest to be the worst as much as possible.

Now we're in this endless cycle where the actual dissenters cry "I'm the victim" because they fear they've been grouped together with twitter tourists, shitposters cry "I'm the victim" because they want to imitate dissenters for the sake of generating more shitposting, and tourist trickle in demanding /a/ beat their favourite thinkpiece-blogging e-celeb in a battle of academic critique for the nth time

>>151385325
> Fune Wo Amu.
haha yeah, of course the filmschool reject likes the show that says "you know like, words are like a deep sea, maaaaaan" and then shows images of people wistfully staring across a sea made of words for a third of every episode.

>>151385267
>The shitposters have new ammo to use because of tweets by the director of the show.
More like the shitposters are desperate tonight because they're alone on christmas and have nowhere to run but Flip Flappers.

>>151385531
Hi-Hidoi

>>151385399
This post explains it perfectly: >>151383091


Aside from that, we have been getting a lot of shitposters the past couple weeks because the show got a tone shift when the plot arrived at the end of episode 9.

Episode 12 also had some rough cuts and animation in certain scenes, despite still being pretty good overall, you can tell that they are working hard overtime and struggling to meet the deadlines.

Still its causing some panic and concern, which is perfectly warranted, but the shitposters are jumping in every chance they get to take advantage of this weakness to try and trash the show.

We had a poll to check and see how many people actually hated the show to see if the majority really hated it and thought it was shit, or if it was just a minority of shit-posters being very, very vocal. The results speak for themselves: http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r

I can only appreciate this show's current arc in the abstract. Yes there are ambitious elements tying Mimi with themes of creativity and freedom and Cocona's development that were introduced before but the events and flow of the story is just laughably bad. From the Salt/Sayuri scenes to the KKK/Toto/Yuyu development to Cocona's "I love love love you" having no impact at all to Papika's mindrape lasting within the span of 1 minute and tossed aside to all the flashback being just downright boring and unconvincingly tied to Cocona's personal development or Papika's characterization. Perhaps the weakest link bringing down the whole story is Papika herself, I just see no reason to care about her. One scene she'll be crying and breaking down, the next she'll be perfectly fine after a speech from someone close to her. Also remember how people were complaining about Cocona's "I want to protect it with my own hands" from episode 8? The entire arc's script is like that now.

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>>151385531
Savage.

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>>151385531
I guess we have something in common then.

>>151385531
This actually makes me really sad for them.

>>151385746
If you don't stop bringing up your stupid poll I'm going to start considering that a clear indicator of a shitpost too.

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>>151385098

we got a handful of dedicated nitpicking shitposters

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>>151385897
Are they, dare I say it, shitpicking?

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>first overall quality starts going down starting at episode 10
>then episode 12 is a complete mockery in most fronts
>and now production issues
I'm going to be very glad I have low expectations for the finale, I can tell.

>>151385754
>flow of the story is just laughably bad
>having no impact at all
>just downright boring and unconvincingly
>see no reason to care about her
You touched upon legit flaws but your post is nothing but exaggeration and rhetorics. There were more thought out discussions about the flaws you mentioned yet your post just stinks.
>complaining about Cocona's "I want to protect it with my own hands"
That was a mecha genre trope.

>>151385847
>if you don't stop bringing up facts I am going to consider it a shitpost!

ok!? Have fun with that. Why does it bother you? It is proof that it is just a minority of sadlife individuals shitting up the thread, and that the vast majority think the show is good and love love LOVE it.

>>151385983
no, it's because a poll means nothing and bringing it up constantly gives ammunition to the other shiptoasters that point at it and say "look at how desperate these fanboys are". Jesus Christ.

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So, who was in the wrong? Oshiyama's opinion aside, since he's just an irrelevant Jung fanboy.

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>>151385746
>he's STILL using that strawpoll like it means anything

>>151386152
>image2.jpg
This is empowered phoneposting

>>151385531
Is it worse if I'm in a room with family but mostly ignore them to lurk?

>>151386037
>it's because a poll means nothing

Which is why the systems of government in the most powerful nations in the world use polls as a key element to deciding the people in power?

Which is why the majority of high level academic research starts with a poll of some sort and then uses analytics alongside the results of said poll?

Its a method of tracking statistics. The shitposters are going to shitpost with or without the poll "look at these desperate people" lines. The poll is a beacon of light and relief for us. It is certain proof that the haters are in low numbers, and that those who actually enjoy the show are the vast majority.

I can understand your frustration. You don't want the trolls to be fed. Me neither. But when people come in asking for explanation on whats been going on, its good to bring up the poll so they can see some facts and figures to back up what is being said.

Hopefully this doesn't trigger you, but I plan on doing a new poll after the final episode airs, explicitly asking what people thought of the finale.

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>>151386256
I did the exact same thing half the night. Alcohol and /a/ are my saviors.

>>151385531
Well Flip Flap could have saved my Christmas and my life but it didn't.

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>>151386325
>and my life
Ganbare!

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>>151386289
>comparing presidential elections and academic research to fucking strawpoll
D E S P E R A T E

>>151385098
FF threads have been a rollercoaster all season though, isn't it fun?

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>>151386483
>tfw the last episode will force us to edit the last panel to "FRIENDS"
I'm not ready.

>>151386478
do you have to be a pleb?

>>151386325
Jesus would be disappointed, anon. At least wait until the show is over

>>151386541
But I'm not posting a strawpoll in every single FF thread and pretending it's proof of anything.

so my fellow flips and flaps, what is your personal Game of the Year? Did any of you get a chance to try the Nier Automata demo? Its pretty good!

>>151386539
Don't worry. There is 0 chance the ship is gonna regress. But there is non-zero chance they will be separated.

>>151386478
>implying this year's polls weren't actually less accurate than the average strawpoll

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Even if episode 12 were the worst episode ever FliFla is still the best anime of the year.

>>151386592
>pretending it's proof of anything
It's data to me. Are you gonna pretend it doesn't exist?

>>151386662
Not even top 3.

>>151386614
Fuck off /v/

>>151386662
phantom world

how again did Paprika revert to the same age as Cocoa?

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>>151386616
>There is 0 chance the ship is gonna regress.
But one of the sailors has already regressed
At this point it's not a question of if the ship will sink, but whether we'll remember it alongside the Titanic

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>>151386691
>fucking strawpolls
>"""data"""
You're a riot, dude.

>>151386780
fucked up by mimi

>>151386478
Is that Hillary Clinton's real form?

>>151378783
Did lots of shows have production issues this season? IS ANIME DYING

>>151386614
Call of Chernobyl.

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>>151386812
Are yurifags ever satisfied?

>it's not confirmed unless we get an explicit sex scene that lasts a full episode, in which both girls orgasm 3 times minimum (straight girls can fuck other girls and achieve orgasm twice and have it remain no homo) and fuck in at least 4 positions

>>151386828
fuck back off to where you came from you avatarfag

>>151386959
I'd buy BDs just to see that happen though.

>>151386959
You forgot the part about Yayaka masturbating in the corner.

>>151386973
This gross misuse of the word avatarfag tells me that you're the one that needs to go back. To where, do you ask? I'll let you use your imagination for that one.

>>151386828
It might not be legitimate, but it is indeed data. In this particular case I don't have a reason to doubt the results of his poll anyway. It's had a consistent trend of input despite how easily they can be manipulated. Let it be

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>>151386959
I got multiple wedding ceremonies, I am more then satisfied. Kissu would just be icing on the papicake

>>151386959
I would suck oshiyamas flip flaps if this happens.

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These guys are working tirelessly through christmas just to bring you enjoyment and entertaintment and some of you ungrateful cunts have the gall to bully their efforts? Shame on you fucks

>>151386959
But I'm fine right now, I don't expect much but I'm really glad with what've got till this point

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>>151387056
>It might not be legitimate, but it is indeed data.
>strawpoll

>>151387057
Why does Cocona look so mature in this henshin form? Did it actually age her up?

This shot looks like two 20-somethings touching palms

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>>151387139
>they made episode 12 happen
>BUT YOU SHOULD RESPECT THEM ALRIGHT

>>151387227
episode 12 was great get fucked my man!

>>151387227
>hating Yayaka's henshin
Fuck you, pops.

>>151387166
Everyone looks mature and confident in their wedding dress. She has made her decision, she loves Papika, its clear as day

>>151387162
Do you know what data is, anon? Your post is data. Sound is data. Data is an extremely nonspecific term and strawpolls can be considered such.

A
FUCKING
BROFIST

>>151386959
I'm a yurifag and i've been satisfied since episode 4's Meotoiwa imagery, metaphoric yuri is a far more patrician taste than the cancerous portion of /u/ wanting every lesbian to suck face on screen.

>>151387297
>Data is an extremely nonspecific term
And so has absolutely no value in the context you;re applying it.

>>151387139
Those fags half-assed Yayaka flip flapping. TO HELL WITH THEM

>>151387297
>strawpolls can be considered data
>STRAWPOLLS

>>151383292
I don't see how you could possibly interpret it any other way.

This is Oshiyama's directorial debut, of course he's going to get a little sentimental as it comes to a close.

>>151387314
I don't want EVERY lesbian to suck face on screen

But could I at least get two of them doing it? Could it happen at least once?

>>151387302
Spotted the aromantic autist.

>not brofisting the mutual love of your life after gaining a stupidly awesome power up and fisting Eva-01 into space

>>151387320
I never argued about it's value. I only pointed out that strawpolls are data. My first reply was to this post>>151386828

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>>151387302
Welcome to the $5 club anon. Pound it.

>>151387314
>>151387360
How about you just stop projecting your fetishes onto every single show in existence?

Oshiyama can't write story for shit. Should have just adapt an award-winning novel or manga or some shit so he'll finally learn something from those works. But then again, the pacing would be all over the place too, because he can't do anything coherent in more than one episode.
>>151387227
Episode 8 wasn't good too. Nonsensical cuts, bad coloring, badly-drawn composites (explosions, etc.), confusing perspectives, etc. Although it's fun, it might actually be worse than 11 in terms of cinematic composition.

>>151385965
RARE PEPE

>>151387302
They're asexuals. Please stop eyeing your male gaze on and objectifying them, their interaction and their relationship with each other.

>try to set up a twitter to follow Oshiyama and figure what the hullabaloo is about
>Finish the registration process
>YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN LOCKED PLEASE ENTER ALL YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO UNLOCK IT
What the fuck? Is this what social media is like?

>>151387456
Episode 8 was at least a load of fun.

Episode 12 doesn't have shit going for it.

>>151387456
>explosions
our webgen-kun is back

>>151387500
You are worse than the yurifags