Flip Flapping

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Reminder that Flip Flappers is a bad show.

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>>151362391
You are a bad child, Cocona. Why won't you listen to your own mother?

>>151362110
http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672
http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672

Reposting. Vote for the time of the 1-12 episode stream.

>>151362543
Reposting these too:

The census:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170

About Mimi:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11898829

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>>151362849
>the "people who hate the new direction are shitpsoters!!!" strawpollfag again

I want to molest Cocona with my tongue

>>151362110
https://clyp.it/djsrx2zn

>>151362957
>the "misconstrue posts so that I can generalize" shitposter again

>>151362847
why

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How does this make you feel?

>>151363390
Warm and happy inside.
I wish they weren't so lazy with the eye shading though.

>>151363390
gay

Cockona.

>Cockona

>>151363390
Like shit. This moment was supposed to be fucking hype but they completely ruined it by half-assing the build up.

>muh good Mimi appears out of nowhere and solves literally everything
Fuck off.

>>151363595
The shitposting never ends

>>151363595
Episode 12 is the defintion of rushed and deus ex machina.

>>151360868
After a lot of rewatching I finally understood some of the director's intentions and accepted quite a few issues that I couldn't previously.

>Yayaka upstaged Papika
I counted the active screen time of all characters and was mad about how Yayaka got double the time than the MCs. Upon second thought, this is actually consistent with the plot on both sides.
Yayaka is consistently a superior fighter than Papika, therefore she did better fight in this ep which is in character. Her henshin is also necessary development of the plot.
Papika being weaker than Yayaka is also consistently in character and actually not detrimental to her character because this shows her resolve and struggle to protect Cocona under unfavorable conditions despite lack of superior fighting power.

>Papika still didn't have a backstory to explain her motivation
I previously expected Papika to have a complicated tragic backstory to be explored in this episode to enrich the so far so flat character of hers but after this ep her backstory can't no longer be complicated which was why I didn't feel good about it. After rewatching I feel her backstory would still start from tragic elements with her motivation explained and her development is still fine with it albeit no longer incredibly complex (assuming you're aware of the speculahs about her history).

>EvilMimi being comically evil
At first I felt evilMimi is comically evil because I expected her character to be only protective of Cocona. Upon reflection being "comically" evil demonstrates the psychosis of evilMimi under the surface of motherly love, thus I consider it in character and a good contrast with goodMimi's behaviors.

>GoodMimi being a deus ex machina
GoodMimi's pep talk seemed to me to have a too fast effect on Cocona. Now I think the pep talk per se is fantastically well done. Her motivational speech is subtle and encouraging. It doesn't tell Cocona what to do, doesn't ask Cocona to make a decision either way.

(cont.)

>>151363629
And you're not helping.

>>151363669
(cont.)

Now there are still a few issues I can't accept. The animation is mostly okay. QUALITY exists but it is minimum and doesn't distract so I won't write about it (don't even get me started, I looked for quality frame by frame.).

>Salt & Sayuri scenes
I can't understand what is the purpose of Salt's bike crash scene? What I can get out from the scene: Salt made an effort to go to KKK HQ (preparing self-sacrifice?); Sayuir had a crush on Salt; Nyu and Bu were also going. None of these plot points seem important enough to take away so much time from the development of Cocona and Papika.

>Papika's "love you since you're born"
After speculah'ing Papika's backstory I finally got it. The director wanted to convey a love that transcends time. Papika's gone through a backstory of age fuckery and yet is still invariably connected to Cocona by destiny, therefore it is a love that transcends time. The love is not the same love, it has many facets and has evolved over time.
The problem is how the writer chose that particular wording which makes the audience singuarly focused on one aspect of the love related to the time when Cocona was born.
To make it worse, this misleading line is part of the most important mutual confession scene and likely ruins it to some extent. Surely this line can be done differently, right?

(cont.)

>>151363710
(cont.)
>Cocona got no time to think
Right after mom's pep talk Cocona thought for literally 5 seconds (I counted this too) before turning to Papika. I like mom's pep talk and Cocona is making the right decision based on her mom's encouragement but I really want more thought process to demonstrate her character growth.
The last conflict in her character was in ep 10 when she felt cheated by Papika and lied to by Yayaka. How did she overcome these emotions? Does she no longer feel cheated or lied to? How? Though I can even come up with headcanon for these questions: Cocona saw Papika and Yayaka fight for her so hard but didn't understand why because evilMimi, now she understands they are really there for her and the previous grudges must be misunderstanding. But there is no screen time showing any of this.
To make it worse, this part was immediately followed by Cocona's confession for Papika. This is what we have been waiting for guys, the yuri is validated and approved. But the supposedly best scene is made much less impactful when Cocona's confession isn't backed up by resolution of previous conflicts and emotional buildup. This is truly wasted potential.

>Mutual confession got interrupted
I just don't like how it must interrupt their mutual confession by inserting evilMimi's interference and Yayaka's reaction in between. This is supposed to be an intimate moment so why can't you let it flow and then beat them up after (or before).

COCKONA

COCK
ON
/A/

>>151363710
>The director wanted to convey a love that transcends time
I think it's a cultural thing. Love by fate, the red thread and stuff like that comes to mind.

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>>151363467
>>151363549
>>151363752
>too much Cockona

>defying your own mother over some girl you just met a few months ago
Sure the girl also happen to be your aunt but she had plot amnesia.

>>151363879
>choosing the mother you never knew over your true love

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>tfw to intelligent too watch flip flappers

>>151363841
>Then they should have changed it so it works
It worked for me. I never thought of the two Mimi's as different persons though. More like Iro and Iro.

Happy holidays FFfags. May next year be better for y'all.

>tfw latest episodes disappointed me so much I don't know if I want to send a card anymore
;_;

>>151363912
>I thought you said she didn't lose her shit?
You're the people saying that you fucking retard.

>muh picture
Oh yeah, more shit that happened BEFORE she took the situation back under her control by mindbreaking Papika. Sure proving your point there!

>>151363917
>she wasn't
She literally said Yayaka in a concerned voice when she got hit. Sorry you're incorrect.

>>151363669
>Now I think the pep talk per se is fantastically well done.
Because you aren't actually thinking about it in the context of Cocona's character development.

Thanks for making it clear people should ignore your walls of text, though. That's helpful.

>>151363917
>The show makes a point that Cocona is letting Mimi take control because she doesn't trust herself enough to do it herself anymore.

It didn't. Cocona is apprehended, vision blurs, passes out, and Mimi takes over. That's it. Anything you've convinced yourself of is actually just wrong.

>>151364053
At least this time there's an actual discussion and effort on the side of the dissenters. I'll take this over the one-liner spam any day.

>>151364047
It developed her character perfectly Cocona made a choice to do what she wanted to after her mother encouraged her. Nobody decided anything for her.

>>151364047
You're welcome to offer your opinions if you have anything to add to the discussion.

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You know what this show needs? More handholding.

>>151364053
Fuck off. Just argue about the points he makes and ignore the hyperbolic insults. They're not helping him. But everyone has something interesting to say sometimes.

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Dear god it never ends
I don't even understand the point of this argument

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>>151362110
gonna be leaving the thread to spend time with friends and family soon, but gonna post some stuff to counter the shitposter if he comes back trying to claim that "Mimi wasn't emotional or losing her shit before good Mimi showed up"

>>151363390
That I wish I was a girl so I could be a bridesmaid, they make such a cute couple.

>>151364101
This.

>>151364085
>dissenters
It's literally one guy in this case who refuses to acknowledge any evidence that doesn't support his points.

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>>151364117

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Sat nice things about Mimi!

>>151364095
>It developed her character perfectly
No, they took a shitty shortcut. Instead of organically transforming Cocona into a person that takes her own decisions, they used the great Mimi asspull to do that for her.

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>>151364175
You have a nice daughter!

>>151364036
When? Because I'm not seeing it anywhere.

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>>151364114
There is no point, the argument is a thomasson

>>151364175
I like red eyes

>>151364181
Are you the same troll from last thread?

Mimi did her part and it was perfect in terms of Cocona's development. Only after that Cocona got no time to show her reaction and thought process thus her character development is harmed.

>>151364181
It's not an asspull though, as many hae already pointed out.

>>151363975
At least draw something for the cardfag

Reminder that next episode will be delayed

>Studio Pablo's schedule is already full until the end of April 2018

What shows are they working on in Winter, I wonder? It says a TV series and also a movie.

http://studio-pablo.com/schedule.html

>>151364181
No that would have been an asspull. If Cocona just suddenly decides to make her own decisions merely because the plot required it at that point.

>>151364287
Source?

>>151363669
>anon had to rewatch a bad episode several times to find excuses for it

All could be summed up by "You call that a motherfucking climax?"
Because the entire episode fucked up plenty episodes' worth of buildup.
(Merry xmas)

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>>151364157
>>151364117

Anyway guys, I am leaving for now. Will be back later tonight. Have fun flipping and flapping, and have a merry christmas!

>>151364079
Episode 11 Youtube PV.

>>151364117
>>151364157
I already told you how and why that's irrelevant you fucking moron.

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>>151364102
>Just argue about the points he makes
But for what?
He's not changing his mind, you're not changing his mind. He's not here for discussion, he want his opinion validated by a bunch of faceless online persona. He wont stop doing whatever he wants. That's his choice.

I want to do whatever I wants too. So please refer to pic related.

>>151364331
Thanks for the tip. You must be a troll who doesn't even bother finishing my post.

>>151364322
His ass

>>151364175
Your dress suits you really well.

>>151364222
After Yayaka takes her henshin off and lets herself be hit by the mecha monster. Around 16:20. Cocona's eyes open up wider for the first time and she says Yayaka obviously concerned.

>>151363390
Happy

>>151364372
Thought so.

>>151364361
>He's not changing his mind, you're not changing his mind.
True. I see it now. He is repeating his same points as if they were facts, even though they were refuted. I guess he thinks if you call something "asspull" enough, people will start believing it was an "asspull".
inb4
>no criticism allowed, muh circlejerk

>>151364175
Kayanon best mom voice.

>>151364358
Episode 11 Youtube PV.

Last thing Mimi says to Cocona in episode 11 on the boat is "you dont have to worry or think about anything anymore, your mother will take care of everything"

Cocona echos the same exact phrase back with the same wording in the PV with a monotone zombie voice.

It is literally

>these aren't the droids you are looking for.

I would post the ANN review but I see it's not needed for shitposting fuel.

>>151364252
Yeah I don't like episode 12 of Flip Flappers which automatically makes me a troll. So I suppose you're right!

>Mimi did her part and it was perfect in terms of Cocona's development.
I already told you why it wasn't. It was a shortcut for time. Used to teleport Cocona from point A to point B without letting her naturally reach that point by reacting to her environment and her actions.

>>151364253
It is an asspul though, as many have already pointed out.

>>151364307
That's what happened, though. She was perfectly content sitting in her little penis tree prison until deus ex machina time.

>>151364307
Wow.
Reread your post slowly, tell me if it makes sense.

>>151364459
>Cocona echos the same exact phrase back with the same wording in the PV with a monotone zombie voice.
Just like someone who was brainwished, right? But we went over this already.

>>151364358
>I already told you how and why that's irrelevant you fucking moron.
Sounds like you didn't do a good job but if you have to use a PV to support your argument I'm not surprised.

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>>151364175
qt husbando

>>151364477
>It is an asspul though, as many have already pointed out.
Yeah. You keep repeating it. Many my ass.

>>151364477
The fact that you didn't see the majority of my post is criticism of the show before you started shitposting about how I'm defending the show proves you're a troll.

>I already told you why it wasn't
I think you're probably delusional. All I'm saying is Mimi did her part good. My other posts are saying Cocona's development is bad. What's your problem?

>>151364487
It makes perfect sense. Cocona could have made that decision at any time to make it right then merely because the plot requires it is an asspull by your own definition.

>>151364477
>It is an asspul though, as many have already pointed out.

Who? The only one to argue it's an asspull is you. The other ~74 people in this thread are arguing against you.

>>151364361
>He's not here for discussion, he want his opinion validated by a bunch of faceless online persona.
That's pretty funny of you to say that. Instead of trying to prove me wrong, you're bitching about me to other people like a schoolgirl.

>>151364423
Ah, I see it now. Thanks. See, they could have used this to launch Cocona's final development instead of having Mimi.

>>151364477
My point is if Cocona just suddenly decided herself to do it that's just as much an asspull by your definition in the previous thread as she would be making that decision at that point in time merely because the plot required it in order to move forward. She could have decided three episodes ago to make her own decisions.

>>151364459
What the ass, anon, I said the preview for episode 11 that's on Youtube. I can't link it because I can't fucking find it.

>>151364508
>mixing up several arguments together
Good job. People defending this piece of shit sure put a lot of effort into it, huh.

Adding asspull to my filter

>>151364653
You put low effort in this post.

>>151364567
The fact that Cocona is paying attention and less of a zombie is what allows the good Mimi to come forward.

>>151364567
Instead of having this pointless argument you should probably just watch the episode again instead of making shit up. Were you drunk when you watched it? Or just having a lapse in concentration? Either way you dragged this shit on for hours even after realizing that you clearly missed key moments of the episode.

>>151364653
I know the PV wasn't in support of the Mimi emotion argument, but the fact that you can't support an argument with details within an actual episode is evidence of your failure to make a convincing argument at all.

>>151364642
What the fuck are you reading into my post? Cocona saying that she loveloveloves Papika isn't enough to convince you that she loves Papika?

>>151364642
>being gay is political
Really makes you think

>>151364708
Only retards need to rewatch the episode though he said so earlier.

>>151363831
>tfw got aroused by this
Send help.

>>151364539
>All I'm saying is Mimi did her part good.
>What's your problem?
She fucking didn't do "her part" "good" because she shouldn't have had a part in the first place. She appears out of NOWHERE for no reason other than to move Cocona's character development forward which she could have easily done on her own after seeing Papika and Yayaka be bitch slapped by her mom.

>>151364527
>>151364563
>s-samefagging
Really, if you have no arguments please just fuck off. I don't need even more of my time taken up by useless posts like yours.

>>151364567
I'm not the one posting same argument over and over like a broken cassette, but yes I'm bitching about you.

You ruined this thread, you don't have a heart to consider others opinion, you're insecure about your opinion so you repeat it over and over, stating same thing again and again. You don't promote healthy discussion, you don't engage with the show and you fucking suck.

I have more but I will save that for later. You, anon, need Mimi to tell you that it's okay to accept failure and mistakes. You need that.

>>151364616
>We'll make fragments from her tears. Take them into battle with us.

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>>151364175
Lovely, gentle voice
Gorgeous raven hair
Beautiful petite frame
Excellent fashion sense
Just the right amount of attitude
Heart clearly in the right place and doesn't shy away from doing bad things for the sake of goals she believes in passionately

/a/, when did you realize that Mimi was objectively and incontestably best girl? I want to give her a whole soccer team of little Coconas.

>151364756
>Only retards need to rewatch the episode
I think this cements the troll status for this guy. He's got no investment into this show at all and he's here to fuck shit up.

>>151364796
Your post is useless. And yes, if you keep repeating the same words over and over again, it's easy to tell you're samefagging.

All this thread needs is ACK and his crack shipping lunacy. It's been a long time

>>151364814
She's a helicopter bitch.

Question is, is she a worse mum than Ragyo?

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>>151364642
They are more then lesbians, they are married. Politics has nothing to do with pure 2D love

>>151364814
Calm down Salt.

>>151364756
True, only a retard would not be able to see that Good Mimi was going to reveal herself in a critical moment to help turn the tide.

>>151364368
I read the entire thing. I don't think it deserves excuses. Whatever the writer/director tried to achieve, they failed. Show's been tumbling for quite a while now, this episode was just another step towards the abyss. And believe me I was so hyped for it
Not pnly that the episode sucked, now these threads are filled with jaded faggots who'd call anyone that thinks differently a troll. I've been here from the first episode enjoying the ride with you. Stop being so defensive.

These threads used to be fun.

>>151364876
I want to fill those heart shaped gaps with my semen and let it harden

>>151364735
As a Godmother or Aunt, not as a lesbian sex partner or something.

>>151364863
>a helicopter bitch.
What does that even mean?

>>151364627
How would it have been an asspull? The whole show has been building Cocona up to be this person that takes her own decisions. What better way to showcase this than telling her mom to fuck off and leave her friends alone?

>>151364687
Except good Mimi's ability to appear in and out at the plot's convenience is never stated to correlate to Cocona's mental state. Or to anything at all, really.

>>151364708
Good argument. Really destroyed mine. "u just havent watched the episode". Yeah that's a good one, man.

>>151364803
>so you repeat it over and over, stating same thing again and again.
Because it keeps flying over your heads.
>and you fucking suck.
Well shit, now I feel really really bad.

>>151364921
>jaded faggots
that's some serious projecting

>>151364987
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent

>>151364958
Then please tell me where I implied that.

>>151364683
Right back at you.

>>151364726
So PVs don't count because they prove you wrong. Fine.

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I went back to ep 10 and checked if Cocona said [taisetsuna] like in ep 12 and she didn't. Cocona only said that Yayaka is her friend. She did not said precious friend.

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>>151364940
LEWD!

Their love is to pure for a man, I am just happy to watch

>>151364921
Replying with shitpost without bothering finishing the original post is the definition of a troll.
>I don't think it deserves excuses
Do my posts contain any excuses for the show?
>Stop being so defensive
Am I defending the show?
>Whatever the writer/director tried to achieve, they failed
Except I made the posts to show how they failed and how it could be improved. And you, you have nothing but coming here to vent.

>>151365064
I guess I misunderstood you, but other people here are making that assumption which is wrong.

>>151364989
>Good argument. Really destroyed mine. "u just havent watched the episode". Yeah that's a good one, man.

I said "again". You just admitted you missed a part that you were adamantly arguing about earlier. I'm just trying to save you some time man. You might be able to form concise opinions once you have all the information. I'm sure you're too busy enjoying this attention to do any of that though.

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>Cocona will never flatten your ballbag with her magical hammer
Why live?

>>151365085
It's ok. If I were ever able to do what I said, I'd be a futa at that point anyway.

>>151364889
>only a retard would not be able to see that Good Mimi was going to reveal herself in a critical moment to help turn the tide.
What the fuck are you talking about? What indication was there that the show was going to throw a YuYuYu-tier deus ex machina at us?

>>151364838
Nice non-argument.

>>151364921
>now these threads are filled with jaded faggots who'd call anyone that thinks differently a troll.
It really does suck, doesn't it?

>>151363390
Hard

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>>151365238
>make a statement of fact
>"Nice non-argument"
Okay.

>>151365238
Why would I need an argument for that? Everyone can tell by your posting style that you're asspull-kun.

>>151364175
no

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What do the Japs call Papicake?

>>151365065
>So PVs don't count because they prove you wrong. Fine.
You love putting words into people's mouths, don't you.

>>151364989
Really man, you have issues and it has nothing to do with me not getting your point. Get yourselves checked before you turned into ACK. You still have chance.

And please. Mind your own business. I don't need you to tell me what I missed, i can just rewatch the show.

>>151365238
>What the fuck are you talking about? What indication was there that the show was going to throw a YuYuYu-tier deus ex machina at us?

Oh I dunno, maybe the fact that we know that Mimi is split and that we have only seen Bad Mimi up until this point? Forgetting that Good Mimi exists would be a bigger blunder than using her to advance the plot.

>>151365238
>deus ex machina
>an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel.

You keep using that word incorrectly. Nothing in this show has been unexpected or contrived

>>151365342
"Best Girl"

>>151365342
Too old

>>151365238
You should use terms like dues ex machine when you don't understand their meaning.

>>151364921
>These threads used to be fun
and then you started posting

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I...I wrote a song for Hidaka.

I don't want a lot for Flapmas
There is just one thing I need
I don't care about the amorphous
Underneath the dick tree
I just want you for my own
More than you could ever know
Make my wish come true oh
All I want for Flapmas is you

I hope he'll like it.

>>151365070
What about 9's C part?

You all can try to defend these last few episodes all you want, it's still pedestrian, uncreative and not very compelling. The storyboards, the layouts, the direction all went to trash and the dialogue is decidedly more hamfisted and less confident in the visuals to tell the story.

>>151365407
really feeling that writer change

>>151365388
There will come a time in your life when cakes will be considered a young girl. It is most depressing, I suggest you avoid it as much as possible

>>151365407
Dialogue can't be "confident in the visuals," anon. Dialogue doesn't have free will.

>>151365407
Great point.

>>151365407
Nothing about it is good outside of animation. Sadly.

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>>151365407
Sure changed my mind with those hot knowledge bombs.

>>151365407
Not an argument.

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>>151365406
Also no [taisetsuna]. Just [tomodachi desu].

>>151365407
>You all can try to criticize these last few episodes all you want, it's still patrician, creative and very compelling. The storyboards, the layouts, the direction all are fantastic and the dialogue is decidedly amazing even with less visuals to tell the story.

>>151365407
not even my top 3 though

>>151365504
He stated an opinion it can't be wrong. His opinion is objective.

>>151365343
That's exactly what you're saying.

>>151365372
>>151365383
>>151365389
>an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel.
>good Mimi appears out of the complete blue with no explanation solely to pull the flappers from a situation in which their loss was guaranteed
Seems fine to me. Unless it was mentioned somewhere that good Mimi can teleport in and out of existence if the writer feels like it.

>>151365281
>>151365287
>>151365354
Non arguments~

Post webms

>>151365546
You're asspull-kun and I need no argument for that, because it's obvious.

>>151365546
Not an argument.

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>>151365546
>Unless it was mentioned somewhere that good Mimi can teleport in and out of existence if the writer feels like it.
"Iro, switch with Iro"

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>>151365407
flip flapper's face game is really mediocre considering the pedigree of those involved and the rest of the production

>>151365407
I wouldn't call it trash but I agree with the notion that it's gotten worse. Still completely disagree that it's not compelling though. There's at least a significant attempt (failed or otherwise is up for debate) to keep things moving at a fast pace.

>>151365546
>That's exactly what you're saying.
no. If the only support for your argument exists outside of the show(or if that's the only support you bring to the discussion), it's less relevant because the creators didn't feel the need to include it in and episode itself.

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>>151365546
>good Mimi appears out of the complete blue with no explanation
Perhaps if you paid no attention to the previous episodes.

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>>151365407
Also it's too similar to Phantom World. It's obvious plagiarism at this point.

>>151365437
I mean just watch the first episode and it feels like a completely different and significantly more interesting show

>>151365407
The last few episodes were obviously ripping off Evangelion.

>>151365581
>>151365643
That situation made sense. Mimi was under heavy distress as her baby was being taken away from her and she succumbed to her darker impulses.

Later, we see smug evil Mimi with mindbroken Papika and injured Yayaka at her feet and then good Mimi appears because... because?

>>151365638
Fair point. However, it's still something that exists in an official capacity.

>>151365570
>>151365577
>>151365582
But where be the arguments?

>>151363831
I'm actually disappointed we didn't get this as the cliffhanger. Episode 13 would have been Cocona snapping out of it and saving Papika from her mindfuck. Instead we got This-Isn't-Even-My-Final-Form Cocana and Papika; Yayaka's transformation becoming useless in only a matter of minutes also sucked.

>>151365407
wow anon you really convinced me, good job

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>>151365407
I mean, even Jacob Chapman of ANN (the guy who made the show popular in the first place) acknowledges that the quality has gone down.

>>151365859
It was a shame about Yayaka gaining and losing henshin in the span of 11 minutes, but I kind of understand why they chose to end on the new powerup instead of the cliffhanger. I think I preferred it to leaving us off on yet another dramatic suffering cliffhanger.

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>>151365920
and there we have it, maximum trolling. have your (you)

>>151365920
I'm not sure how to respond to this post but you at least deserve a (you)

>>151365847
Because
>Mimi was under heavy distress

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>>151365920
>even Jacob Chapman of ANN (the guy who made the show popular in the first place) acknowledges that the quality has gone down

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>>151365920
Old joke. Come up with something new

>>151365929
The new powerup felt so bullshit, though. Mimi established that she was allowing them to play around with their henshin. Suddenly both Papika and Cocona transcend that and get an even more powerful form, and Mimi becomes a corny villain instead of a psychotic mother.

Are we dismissing genuine concerns about the shot as trolling and shitposting as to avoid our own subconcious concerns?

I have loved the show but I understand there are people that haven't, why should we label them as shit posters. Maybe we are causing the issue by driving a wedge between positive and negative discussion.

>>151366124
That's just how strong Cocona and Papika's love are man.

>>151365546
>Seems fine to me. Unless it was mentioned somewhere that good Mimi can teleport in and out of existence if the writer feels like it.

Mimi has complete control over PI, as she demonstrated by sending PPK and YYK into various PI worlds and making PPK de-transform. Good Mimi and Bad Mimi are two sides of the same coin. Bad Mimi is strong, Good Mimi is weak. Bad Mimi was created to do the evil but necessary things like destroy the lab to save Cocona and take over Cocona's body to do the same. Good Mimi relinquished control of her consciousness to Bad Mimi here >>151365581 but Good Mimi still exists and still retains the power that her other half has over PI. However, as long as Bad Mimi remains strong, she overpowers the will of her other half. So, when Bad Mimi is seen losing her control of her emotions, Good Mimi is able to exert some of her power to appear in front of Cocona. You have to remember that this is taking place inside PI where Mimi can poof things in and out of existence as she pleases.

It's not random or completely out of the blue. It is a perfectly reasonable turn of events given the context.

>>151366124
>daughter rebels
>mom rages
Seemed like a reasonable response given the circumstances. God knows what power source they're using for this new henshin but I assume we'll get a better picture of that next episode since this one ended on a cliffhanger

>>151366192
Nobody has an issue with negative posting. Just low effort shitposting.

Really sucks that Flip Flappers doesn't have a radio show. The voice cast are really strong too. And I'd love to hear them joking about Papika being cradle robber or Yayaka being the ultimate third wheel.

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>>151366015
Oh yeah, look at Mimi. She's totally out of control.

>>151366192
>Are we dismissing genuine concerns about the shot as trolling and shitposting as to avoid our own subconcious concerns?
Yes.

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>all the christmas flip flap threads are shit
Really makes me think.

>>151366124
Cocona finally returned the daidaidaisuki. I think it suffered a bit by being rushed, but it still seemed appropriate

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>>151366192
>Are we dismissing genuine concerns about the shot as trolling and shitposting as to avoid our own subconcious concerns?
Yes

>>151366192
You don't shitpost with negative opinions. People shitpost with the way they're presenting those opinions.

>>151366243
I'm not sure what you are intending to demonstrate she's unhinged quite clearly.

>>151366192
You can start unpacking these concern first if you have one. I wont ignore you, go on.

>>151366243
It's not about being out of control, it's about distress and she was most definitely distressed despite the smug face.

>>151365089
I used to come her to laugh, though. Even after episode 9 aired and I didn't like it, these threads had enough funny posts to make me smile and enjoy whatever's to come. Same with 10 and 11, even when there were complaints, people were still hoping for the best and that it'd all end up nicely, making jokes about characters and plot lines. Now we barely even have that, anyone making an argument gets shut down/called a troll or whatever. I agreed with your last point (as already fucking mentioned) but I still don't think the show deserves that analysis from you, or me, saying Yayaka is a better fighter than Papika might be correct, but it was still Cocona/Papika's time to shine. It could've been an entirely different situation if they wanted it to, it's their job.
took a while to post because my internet is shit.

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>>151366277
It's one dedicated shitposter. The reaction to the series overall is positive. Regardless of its flaws I love love LOVE FliFla. I know you do as well!

>>151366277
It's like clockwork every day.

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>>151366243
?

>>151366277
To be fair, the last episode was a let down. Now we're just hoping the final one can redeem everything.

>>151366277
All the nice, smart people have family to be with right now. Everyone else is sad and alone and needs /a/ to cope

>everything in cocona's gies to shit, she doesn't trust anyone anymore
>has a breakdown with obvious suicide imagery
>her mother appears and tells her everything's okay
>her mother ends up being overprotective
>cocona goes along and lets mom control everything for her
>her friends challenge mom, telling her that that's not okay and that other people love cocona too
>good side of mom tells cocona that she can make her own decision
>cocona INSTANTLY challenges her mom, proving that mom's control was never very tight to begin with and mainly voluntary
>they defeat mom easily

UM I DON'T GET IT ASSPULLS AMIRITE

>>151366371
No, it's not just one dedicated shitposter. It's that shitposter and the 10 or so people that keep responding to him. At this point they just have to have realized that they're part of the reason this thread is so shit.

>>151366356
I am seriously worried they have left themselves far too much to do in the final episode. Shit has to hit the fan straight away and then get resolved pretty quickly whilst also wrapping up a lot of lose threads.

>>151362110
I.... I wrote a song for Cocona

Somewherre over the rainbow
Wayy up high
And the dreams that you dreamed of
Once in a lullaby

Somewhere over the rainbow
Blue birds fly
And the dreams that you dreamed of
Dreams really do come true ooh ooh

Someday I'll wish upon a star
Wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where trouble melts like lemon drops
High above the chimney top
That's where you'll find me

Oh, somewhere over the rainbow bluebirds fly
And the dream that you dare to,
Oh why, oh why can't I?
Well I see trees of green and red roses too,
I'll watch them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Well I see skies of blue
And I see clouds of white
And the brightness of day
I like the dark
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people passing by
I see friends shaking hands
Singing, "How do you do?"
They're really singing, "I, dai-dai-dai ski you."

I hear babies cry and I watch them grow,
They'll learn much more than we'll know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world world

Someday I'll wish upon a star
Wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where trouble melts like lemon drops
High above the chimney top
That's where you'll find me

Oh, somewhere over the rainbow way up high
And the dream that you dare to, why oh, why can't I?

I hope she likes it.

>>151366402
Mate Yuri on Ice had a straight up terrible finale and the threads are all still positive.

>>151366371
>The reaction to the series overall is positive.
Not true, but some people are really arguing about far-fetched things.

>>151366316
It's not that the concerns aren't genuine, or that we dismiss the concern. What's being dismissed is the shitty attitude with which these concerns are being presented.

>>151366212
You should also recognize that Bad Mimi's power comes from Good Mimi's fear and insecurity, but good Mimi still has primacy as the Mimi identity. What specifically drew good Mimi out in episode 12 was that bad Mimi overstepped her bounds. She confronted one of her defining memories with Papika, one which directly contradicted Evil Mimi's goals and methods, and attempted to just rewrite it to fit her own purposes.

This is literal cognitive dissonance. She found a self-contradiction in her beliefs and tried to resolve it simply by lying to herself. But herself was not going to have any of that shit. She faltered because she came upon an aspect of her identity she couldn't exert direct, conscious control over and tried to control it anyways. The failure was the lapse that caused her persona to momentarily crumble into two opposing forces: the two incompatible sides of the contradiction.

>>151366212
>So, when Bad Mimi is seen losing her control of her emotions
By smugly telling the mindbroken Papika to leave? What?

>>151366287
>>151366394
>earlier in the episode
>when she was ACTUALLY out of control yet good Mimi didn't show up
Wew lad.

>>151366335
>>151366360
I see her being quite smug after having mindbroken Papika and regained complete control over the situation. Not unhinged at all.

>>151366371
>>151366458
Yes, everyone that has faults with the new episodes is a shitposter, I thought we were past that.

>>151366369
>anyone making an argument gets shut down/called a troll or whatever
That's completely wrong. We had a whole threads worth of discussion and criticism yesterday with nothing of the sort. It has nothing to do with being negative but the way those are opinions are expressed with either one line nonsense or by intentionally misrepresenting things and making intentionally hyperbolic inflammatory comments.

>>151366445
>cocona's funk was solved by someone telling her "JUST DO IT"
Great writing.

>>151366402
Yeah, wedding dress armor was really disappointing. And Cocona's dai dai dai suki was even more embarrassing. Should have gotten Anno if they just want to make EVA. And bring Gainax because 3hz sucks balls. Ikuhara should've directed this instead smdh.

>>151366504
She was unhinged the entire time after they came into pure illusion to take Cocona away.

>>151366474
Well yeah, the ride's over so now everybody can rate the series as a whole and not the direction it is taking. We're currently in the direction phase if they're gonna pull a cop out, turn it into a tragedy, or make something reasonable. When the series ends I believe people will focus more on the experience rather than just the ending itself.

>>151366277
>tfw visiting relatives as obnoxious and nosy as Mimi and trying to keep up with a discussion while phonepodting
This is hard.

>>151366563
>Should have gotten Anno if they just want to make EVA

I have some bad news for you

>And bring Gainax

I have some EVEN WORSE news for you.

>>151366402
Episode was great.

>>151366504
>By smugly telling the mindbroken Papika to leave?
It's a facade. She isn't confident at all. Yayaka and Papika keep trying to "take her Cocona away". I also don't even buy the initial argument that you have to be distressed for Iro-switch-with-Iro to come into play. No idea where that argument came from.

>>151366588
I found it interesting that she kept phrasing it not as "why are you trying to take Cocona away from me" but "why are you trying to take Cocona's mother away from her"

Evil Mimi seemed far more concerned that Papika and Yayaka were there to stop her than that they might take Cocona away.

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>>151366472
I love that song, its so beautiful while being full of such sadness when I think about how that man died. His voice has such a wonderfully haunting quality.

Someone needs to make a video, I really don't feel like installing premiere and doing it myself

>>151366548
By the one person she still trusts. And her friends making an effort right in front of her face at the time.

What the fuck else do you want?

>>151366598
Literally doing the same thing.

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>>151366656
Maybe he was expecting a monologue as profound and masterfully written as this one to illustrate the growth of Cocona's character

Maybe he just wasn't really feeling it

>>151366638
>No idea where that argument came from.
Asspull-kun needs an explanation for good Mimi showing up "out of nowhere for no reason" and I think that's what stuck

>>151366504
>Yes, everyone that has faults with the new episodes is a shitposter
This is what defines you as a shitposter. The fact that neither of the posts made that claim yet you ascribe that to them repeatedly rather than actually addressing their point. Just like how you keep repeating the same argument over and over despite multiple times being demonstrated wrong.

>>151366469
Okay, I don't understand your position.

I don't think they have many hanging threads left. They only have to put closure to Mimi/Salt story, and then they can have their epilogue. Papika and Cocona have resolved their narrative, Yayaka know she can't win.

What they need to show is how PaCoYa will cope after this. What will they do after this is over. This is crucial, if they do it wrong then they just flushed down everything they have built up to this point.

>>151366600
I know anon. It's amazing. 2016 is fucking bonkers.

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>>151366588
Yeah, look at how unhinged she is.

>>151366638
>It's a facade. She isn't confident at all.
Why wouldn't she be? The people who wanted to take her Cocona away have been disabled. There's nothing for her left to worry over.

>I also don't even buy the initial argument that you have to be distressed for Iro-switch-with-Iro to come into play. No idea where that argument came from.
When she switched from good Mimi to evil Mimi after Asclepius tried to take her Cocona away? She seemed pretty distressed there and it would explain the switch.

Otherwise, there's literally no explanation for the switches at all and they only happen because plot. That'd be bad writing, wouldn't it?

>>151366727
>despite multiple times being demonstrated wrong.
When?

>>151366844
She was indeed unhinged. At least we've finally agreed.

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>>151363595
>Papika and Cocona have resolved their narrative
Uh...

>>151366243
>>151366844
You can't make this shit up.

>>151366930
Whoops. Meant for >>151366781

>>151366844
>There's nothing for her left to worry over
you mean instead of the side of her that doesn't want to trap her child like she was trapped her whole life? Remember that flashback in which Mimi asked Papika to make sure that Cocona had the freedom to make her own choices and life her life as she sees fit? Mimi is aware of that and that is the source of her distress. Christ

>>151366844
In the arguments over the last two threads the fact you steadfastly repeat the same things and refuse to acknowledge it doesn't alter the fact.

>>151366781
I just feel they have a lot to do and have a lot to manage in terms of pacing and delivery. A couple of missteps could be the difference between this being a 10/10 or not.


The success of the series is resting on this one episode and I hope they do the rest of the show justice.

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>>151366990
I am very curious how many people he has had the exact same conversation with. I gave up on him in the last thread and I am now reading the same points I made repeated. I don't understand the reason behind his determination.

well, beyond the obvious

You have to look at what Mimi says right before Good Mimi appears to Cocona. She isn't particularly "unhinged" (apart from being always unhinged), but it's:

>"Nobody asked you to come here."
>"Never come near Cocona again."
>"Why did you come here?"

She's letting her good side slip because she knows the answer: Papika is indeed someone that loves Cocona too, so her argument that she's the only one ever truly cared about Cocona is false.

>>151366880
And people say I'm the one being disingenous, damn.

>>151366975
>you mean instead of the side of her that doesn't want to trap her child like she was trapped her whole life?
You mean the side that's herself trapped inside her own body and was shown no indication to be able to escape and then she did it anyway because plot?

>>151366950
Just like you couldn't make an argument, apparently.

>>151366990
Excuse me?

>>151367015
It's amazing how they've drawn out the deciding moments of this story for so long. A show as amazing as this has been should already be decided to be GOAT, but it's still resting on how they tie up Cocona and Papika's relationship.

>>151367139
I'm giving up too it's too much effort. Some people think they win an argument if they keep repeating the same thing until the last word.

>>151366930
Yes. Cocona returning the dai dai dai suki is the penultimate point. They have not explained how Papika revert to 14 years old but those are tied with Mimi/Salt finishing their story. Cocona has finished developing and now is a full fledged character. Same with Papika to lesser extent. Yayaka need a closure, not further development.

Of course if you have different view don't hesitate to share. I'm trying to explain my opinion so it'll be great if I can hear yours too.

>>151367272
Papika's backstory is now the defining element of PapiCoco. We need an explanation about the nature in that love and this is more important than Mimi/Salt's story.

>>151367252
Its resting on a lot more than just that in my opinion.

Because they made all the characters important there needs to be a suitable ending for them all and because the series has had seriously dark undertones a happy as fuck ending might just ruin everything it has worked for.

The ending has to feel rewarding without impacting the atmosphere of the show, feeling like an arsepull or just being horribly tragic.

>>151367015
I definitely agree that the delivery will make it or break it but pacing-wise I'm pretty confident. Mind you that I love their pacing so far so it's okay if you're worried about it.

I'm also worried about the animation. I hope they can finish the episode on time.

>>151367353
>feeling like an arsepull
Kinda late for that.

>>151367353
>arsepull
Don't start the meme. asspull is already in my filter.

>>151367395
Yeah that Cocona transformation came out of nowhere in episode 1.

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>>151367443
>asspull is already in my filter.
Clearly it is not

>>151367443
Not even memeing just being a brit kek

>>151367178
She only trapped good Mimi because she thought that she would get Cocona taken away from her(in evil Mimi's eyes, the only one who truly loves Cocona). When she sees that Papika and Yayaka aren't just tricking Cocona, the cage falls apart, because she now realizes that SHE(evil Mimi) is the one keeping Cocona from the ones who love her and that Cocona herself loves.

>>151367336
I'm definitely more invested in Papika's backstory than Mimi/Salt, yeah. I don't think they need to further explain about the nature of her love though. As of now I felt that Papika's love for Cocona is the true form of love. They don't need to categorize it and put it in specific box. Of course I'll be thrilled if they kiss but the show wont collapse even if they don't. I'll still love it.

Separating Papika and Cocona on the other hand is a sin worthy of the force of thousands shitposter.

>>151367638
>When she sees that Papika and Yayaka aren't just tricking Cocona, the cage falls apart, because she now realizes that SHE(evil Mimi) is the one keeping Cocona from the ones who love her and that Cocona herself loves.
No, you're relying on assumptions here. Evil Mimi is a psycho who wants her only Cocona only for her. I don't think she would have beat up Yayaka and mindbroken Papika if she gave half a shit about what their feelings for Cocona are.

>>151367638
I think that it's fairly obvious that Evilmimi's control over Goodmimi is much like Evilmimi's control over Cocona: Voluntary, based on necessity and feelings of the moment and easy to break through if the one being controlled makes an effort.

>>151367704
Well, you better get ready then because we're getting that Peter Pan end.

>>151367727
Evil Mimi and good Mimi are still the same person, though. So if one part of her is aware of her hypocrisy, then so must the other.

>>151367812
Sure, but that doesn't change anything.

>>151367773
>>151367812

It's even very arguable how real any of the Mimis are. I mean, they obviously exist for the purposes of the story but on a thematic level they are all shades of Cocona.

>>151367776
There's Peter Pan and there's NanoFate. One is bullshit and the other is symbolic. I don't think I'm gonna shitpost here if they do Peter Pan. I'm probably gonna be too broken up to do anything but going full auto in RL.

>>151367867
Her desire to 'protect' Cocona is so strong that she is willing to kill others, even Cocona's friends, to that end. That doesn't mean there isn't a part of her that knows that's wrong, or that this part of her can't take control in the right circumstances.

Mimi's desire to keep Cocona all to herself and 'protect' her is in a constant battle with her desire to let Cocona make her own choices and shit. If one side gains ground, like it did in this episode, then the other has to lose ground.

Mimi is more of a plot device than an actual character

>>151367936
Not seen nanofate, what would that ending mean for the show?

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>>151368143
"NanoFate" refers to these two. Basically, he's saying it'd a super lesbian end.

>>151368143
NanoFate move in together and adopt a child.

A very stupid child the exploits of which ruined the entire franchise.

>>151368143
Separated with promise to meet again and then met again and stay together, never to be separated again.

>>151368280
>implying Reflection isn't going to fix everything

>>151368277
Nana? Are you willing this end?

Is Frued-kun still here to follow up his psychoanalysis of Evil Mimi from >>151335999 ?

>>151368280
>A very stupid child the exploits of which ruined the entire franchise.
They'll adopt Nyunyu?

>>151368345
>Frued
Why do people keep making this mistake?

>>151368384
that's his name though

>>151368277
>>151368280
>>151368281


People actually want this from FF? Would it not ruin the show

>>151368382
>They'll adopt Nyunyu
Nanoha end confirmed. It's the only way to give Nyu2 a purpose.

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>>151368405
Why would a lesbian end ruin the show?

That said, it's very likely to not happen so people shouldn't be hoping too hard.

>>151368403
Talking about the typo.
>Sigmund Freud
>Frued

>>151367272
It's clear that Cocona had met Papika when she was younger going by that shot, so it might be more Cocona and Papika's backstory rather than just the latter's. I wasn't fan of the way they used Good Mimi to snap Cocona out of her funk rather than her doing it on her own, so I'm hoping they pull through there.

I do agree that Yayaka needed closure instead of development, but I'm also sad she didn't get another transformation with Papika and Cocona.

>>151368405
I want Papika and Cocona to stay together. if they have to be separated then I hope they can meet again and then be together forever after that. That's what it means to have NanoFate end.

>>151368465
Ok you didn't know. Our Frued-kun gets his name by using Frued.

>>151368447
Has the atmosphere of the show not always gone against a completely happy-everything-is-perfect ending?

Even the early episodes all have dark undertones and massive hints at danger in the future

>>151368345
I killed him. This is Jung territory now. All Freudposters will be destroyed.

>>151368538
I take it you haven't heard OVER THE RAINBOW yet.

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>>151368550
Jung I swear to Christ. The return to the womb in episode 4 cemented these threads as my turf. Get your ass outta here or I'm leaving your whole block covered in hot brass

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>>151368530
I see.

>>151368097
>That doesn't mean there isn't a part of her that knows that's wrong, or that this part of her can't take control in the right circumstances.
There's nothing that indicates this is the case. The only time control of the body was relinquished from one Mimi to the other, it was voluntary from good Mimi's side because she believed it was the best way to protect Cocona. And it'd be way out of character for evil Mimi to give up control when she was in the lead.

>>151365407

I see /a/'s shitposting has been steadily improving. You guys may even reach the /v/ standard one of these days.

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can't we all just get along

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>Cockona

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I want nice threads around this nice time of the year.

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l-lads

>>151368584
I have heard it was going to be in the show but I have not her the characters rendition.

>>151368670
What was the point of the character in your pic? She was almost NyuNyu-tier in uselessness to the overall narrative.

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>>151368696
COCONA!

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I'm surprised they didn't incorporate Episode 5's PI into Episode 11. Its theme of being stuck doing the same things over and over would have really tied in well with Mimi's coddling of Cocona.

>>151368479
Yeah, though I don't think the backstory will change how I see Cocona now. Personally, I'm way more invested in Mimi's lines in that scene so I don't really mind that they used her for narrative contrivance.

Group henshin is a bit cruel for Yayaka though, so maybe it's for the best.

>I'll never let go, Papika
>Let's go together!
>Yes, Cocona!
Surely they won't give us a fucking Peter Pan end. They will, right? ;_;

>>151368749
to be a redhead with tits flopping everywhere

>>151368827
>They will, right? ;_;
It's almost guaranteed.

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>>151368725
I was the one that requested that pic
One of maybe twenty anons asking for something, one of the few that didn't ask for something lewd
It will be one of my favorite flifla-threads memories

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>>151368725

I want to fuck my godmother

>>151368968
Calm down Cocona.

>>151368827
>>151368885
Don't underestimate the power of 2016 mememagic and be careful of what you wish for. They can also get Utena end.

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>>151368940

>>151368827
50/50 change considering visuals in OP & ED, lyrics of OP/ED songs andPapika's character song.

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>>151368703
anonymous is tsundere, with a whole lot of tsun and very little dere

I still love you anon, merry christmas

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>papicunny

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>>151369006
No

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>>151369084
>Flapika

>>151368768
It's legitimately one of my favorite episodes. It's a shame that the clock tower wasn't used for another battle.

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>>151369050
>The size of Papika's papis

>>151363743
>How did she overcome these emotions? Does she no longer feel cheated or lied to? How?
There are two scenes earlier in the fight which help make sense of this.
1. Papika rejects the "Mimi or Cocona" choice that has been forced on her and instead shows the difference in her feelings between the two with "My lovely Cocona and my gentle Mimi"
2. Yayaka's transformation where she apologizes and asks for forgiveness.

Cocona visibly reacts to both scenes whereas she shows no reaction to them getting beat down by Welwitschia.

Agree that these resolutions were a bit rushed though. Blame Yayaka.

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>yayacunny

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>mimimuff

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>hidacock

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>>151364616
I wrote a song for my Yayaka...

Blind, in the deepest night
Reaching out, grasping for a fleeting memory
All the thoughts, keep piercing this broken mind
I fall, but I'm still standing motionless

Far, in the distance
There is light, a light that burns, these scars of old
All this pain, reminds me of what I am
I'll live, I'll become all I need to be

Words that hurt, would you speak them to me
With your breath so still, it makes me believe
In the Mimi's sins
Let me suffer now and never die, I'm alive

Love, feeds her blackened heart
And the thirst, must be quenched, to fuel hypocrisy
Pure Illusion, is the only way to repent
Renounce, what made you
Words that hurt, would you speak them to me
With your breath so still, it makes me believe

The Love never dies, can't wash this blood off our hands
Let the world fear us all, it's just means to an end
Our salvation lies, in the Mimi's sins
Beyond the truth, let me suffer now

In my heart I just know that there's no way to light up the dark in her eyes

>>151366402
>we're
>implying

>>151369248
You make very good points. I actually missed these two reactions, which are probably meant as resolution of the perception of being cheated and lied to. I don't know if it's my fault (rewatched it several times and still missed it) or it's being made unreasonably subtle among all the exposition.

>>151369989
If only it could give Cocona some fast flashback just like how the show always does in those 5 seconds of her thinking to make the connection to those reactions more apparent.

>>151369989
This show has always been this subtle since the very beginning but don't worry if you missed it the first couple of times. Rewatching is much more rewarding that way. I rewatched ep 1 after 11 and my impression of the episode completely changed. The igloo scene almost made me cry.

>>151370472
I know and did a lot to read into all the subtlety in the earlier part. Subtlety paints the background with nuance, but I don't think it is a great way to carry out emotional punches, as in this case, buildup to confession.

>The igloo scene almost made me cry
Elaborate?

>>151368595
You know i think what i'll miss the most from these threads once FlipFlap has ended is the Freud-Jung turf war.

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>>151370878
Maybe he felt like he needed an adult because a 40 year old aunt was forcing herself physically on her defenseless preteen niece. That kind of thing will stir a lot of uncomfortable memories in people, especially around this time of year

>>151370143
I like this idea. This would be really smart.

>>151370143
I rather liked the minimalist approach. The show has done a good job of showing without spoonfeeding, and when you think about it, it is pretty obvious to see that Papika and Yayaka's struggles through the bossrush were effectively their apology to Cocona and proof of the authenticity of their feelings. They managed to play an extended action sequence up as a reconciliation 3 episodes in the making without ever needing to tell you that's what they were doing. I'd call that good directing.

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What kind of sniffing noise is "kun kun" anyway?

>>151371568
it's actually "cun cun" for "cunt cunt"

alpha lesbians sniff out their prey by their sweet cunt scent

>>151371568
Sniff sniff.

>>151371669
There are no alpha lesbians in flip flappers, just yuri dorks and mentally retarded cakes.

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>>151371669
What does her cunny smell like?

>>151371721
>implying papicake isn't automatically dom regardless of auteesm

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>>151371721
>There are no alpha lesbians in flip flappers

>>151371754
coconuts

>>151371565
Not that I have a problem with the minimalist approach or needed spoonfeeding. The problem in this part is that Cocona's thought process should have been given due spotlight when she needed character growth the most but the actual screen time for that is less than necessary.

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wew

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>>151371821
She's just as much of a dork as Cocona. She just hid it better.