English Dubs Superior to the Original

>>151328446
/thread

>>151328396

>There are people who still believe in the existence of the sun!

What did they mean by this?

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>>151328396
Black lagoon sometimes.

>obvious bias for pic related

Code Geass Bevause Johnny Yong Bosch is amazing in it, black lagoon, FMA, cowboy bebop, samurai champloo, and Texhnolyze. That's it

>>151328396

Their interpretation of Yusuke is actually superior to the Japanese version by miles.

Even the Kuwabara hamburger voice is fun.

>>151331642
What kind of ramen is Cowboy Bebop eating here?

>>151328396
The count in Gankutsuou had a pretty good dub.

YYH dub redeemed an otherwise mediocre series.

Eureka Seven, but that's not saying much since the kids are still annoying

>>151332779
BIG CHICKEN

Didn't KLK get a dub? How bad was it?

>>151335066
KLK's dub is fine in my opinion. I really like Gamagori and Satsuki's English voices.

I hate all dubs because the scripts for most anime is really bad in the first place and skimming through subtitles makes it seem less dumb than hearing it out loud.

>>151328396
hellsing

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>>151328396

>>151328396
Who is this pretty kanojo?

>>151328396
Sneezy sneezy achoo someone special is thinking about you!

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>Not one mention of Cromartie High School

>>151328396
I liked the devil is a part timer dub

>>151328396
Please don't post lewds things like that about my wife.

>>151336637
>princess tutu and karekano better in english
nope
>spice and wold only great and not on par
>fmp's pronunciation of names being an issue
>flcl and bebop not better then jap counterparts

Shit list

>>151328396
Shin Chan tbqh.

Completely different show with dub but it's good in its own way

>>151331910
JYB has never been amazing.

>>151328396
Toradora

>>151337818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomjehbqrgY
Fuck you.

>>151328396
Fist of the North Star's French dubs are the best.
https://youtu.be/iHzG42u15k4

>>151338065
Tu es déjà mort.

>>151336637
You gotta go.

>>151339637
Deja vu baguette

>>151328446
Only the joke compilations on youtube are funny. Watching full episodes are a waste of time because they aren't that good.

>A BLACK BRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxjS7IqcUYk

>>151328396
haha all english dubs are atrocious amecarizing shit and sound like b-class movies.
Americans are so pathetic.

>>151336637
I knew dubfags were delusional, but I didn't realize that it was this bad.

>>151336637
The only thing good about the Berserk Dub is the outtakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wec6QmAZd5Y

Dude dub sounds disgusting in any kind of media not only in Anime.

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inb4 some faggot starts spouting off about how the accents are over the top in a fucking anime.

Why do some people like the Japanese version of dumb retarded lines but shit on the English version when they are both stupid and annoying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPqeqNfjCHs

>>151328396
There's this and ghost stories, and that one old ping pong club show. That's it.

>>151342452
Her voice sounds cuter in the original because we don't know just how dumb what she's saying.

Golden Boy

>>151336637
considering I have all 3 in the not as good as you remember catagory play as background noise a lot, they are as good as i remember.

that said, the tenchi one is in the better then japanese tier, but worse then it in the they change shit around for less sexual content
washu offeres tenchi a handjob, blow job, and tit job, and when he refuses she offers him a full course and proceeds to start jerking him off till mihoshi intervenes. they changed it in english to be far les sexual.

>>151334928
Kim Strauss as Dewey: Better than Koji Tsujitani by far. You knew that motherfucker was batshit crazy from the moment you heard him speak for the first time.
Crispin Freeman as Holland: Does this even need an explanation?
Kari Wahlgren as Anemone and Kate Higgins as Talho: On par.
Stephanie Sheh as Eureka: Not as good as Kaori Nazuka, but not as bad as she usually gets shat on for this role.
JYB as Renton: Absolutely fucking terrible. He sounded like JYB if he was kicked in the nuts for 50 episodes instead of just a whiny 14-year-old kid.

>>151328396
Anyone not acknowledging the perfection of Botan's dub voice is a faggot and should be called as such

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>>151342678
>washu offeres tenchi a handjob, blow job, and tit job, and when he refuses she offers him a full course and proceeds to start jerking him off till mihoshi intervenes

What a nice lady.

>>151343540
Tenchi sounds like a damn muppet in the dub.

I haven't watched dubs in a good 15 years probably.

But aside from the obvious acting, dubs have more problems.

What really pissed me off was the really lazy sound editing.

Original Japanese scene:
>*Ring ring* character speaks as if speaking through a phone
Dub
>Ring ring* character sounds exactly the same through the phone as he does talking right next to you

I could maybe understand cutting/changing music because of licensing issues, but could you get any lazier?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS-u1rVFoYU

>>151341874
This sounds like a fucking Sweet Bro And Hella Jeff dub

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>>151331910
>Johnny Yong Bosch
No.

>>151337128
Cromartie had a god tier dub. The voice actors actually understood things like pacing and tone, and it really helped that the subject material was amusing to begin with

>>151342128
I don't know about that. This nip Spongebob is pretty on point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke9r-ldeX6g

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>>151338065
KEN!

Whenever a dub has Julie Ann Taylor in it, I tend to prefer her performance over whoever she is dubbing for.

>>151328396
Have you been hitting the crack pipe again?

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Desert Punk had a good dub

>>151345763
Didn't even know this had a dub

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>>151328396
>dubs thread

>>151345953
Check em

>>151345485
Try watching both and reading the manga, the English dub is actually perfect.

Dubs just lose too much from the original to be worth watching

>>151341923
>Americans are so pathetic.

wew lad

>>151346218
I love the butthurt subhumans here, they never ever fail to remind us how angry they always are.

What did he mean by this?

>>151346256
Better angry than European, Mexican, or even worse, Canadian.

>>151346218
Don't shart yourself in anger now mate.

>>151346299
I was talking about those guys, fellow burger-brother.

>>151346338
>>151346299
>Blood pressure is so high that you lash out at your fellow countrymen

>>151335412
This is the most honest answer in the thread.

To add to it, japanese just sounds cool to those who dont actually speak the language.

>>151346380
>japanese just sounds cool to those who dont actually speak the language

Ah. One of my friends also used an argument like this once, when he was like 13 years old

>>151346380
I speak moon and English, and you're wrong for the most part. The only part you're right about is most dub scripts butchering the dialog, however with the YYH the dub script is perfect.

>>151337818
>>151344502
JYB was stellar at Lelouch.

>>151336637
Are you sure about putting Kanon in Great Tier?

>I'm Muh-koto Sa-watery

>>151346449
Don't even pretend he remotely competes with Fukuyama.

>>151346449
>stellar
>code gayass

Pick one.

>>151328396
No
>>151336637
Jesus Christ no to that entire image.

Also check em.

>>151335412
This

If you haven't noticed, Japanese dialogue is often corny as fuck. It hits the ear wrong to hear direct translations because it just sounds awkward in English. This is why dub companies change and localize lines to make more sense and sound better for a western audience.

The choice is obvious. It's best to read the original script and hear the original voices. This also captures the director's vision more accurately.

>rec threads not allowed
>except for dubs
Good job mods.

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>>151343711
>>151344655
>>151346522
Can't have a dub thread without some dubs.

I always prefer the dub

>>151336637
You're retarded

>>151331910
You're the first guy I've seen that, like me, prefers the Texhnolyze dub.

>>151346954
I see you're confused at the lack of an upvoting function. Allow me to show you the way.
(You)

>>151346954
>>151331910
Texhnolyze dub is good? Hmm, might use it on the rewatch.

>>151345679
This.
Even the legendary Wakamoto was out acted in this. Kanta is also the best performance Eric Vale has ever done.

>>151346914
Good taste, my fellow patriot.

>>151346079
Why even bring the manga into this? And no, it's far from perfect. Hiei sounds like an edgelord when he's only supposed to get excited about battles and his sister. Kuwabara sounds retarded. Botan sounds freaking old.

>>151348226
Because the manga gives you a good idea of the characters and then you can appreciate the dubs' lines.

>And no, it's far from perfect. Hiei sounds like an edgelord when he's only supposed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

>Kuwabara sounds retarded
Go fuck yourself.

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>>151336637
Needs pic related for the "voices are shit in both languages" tier.

>>151348689
Nope. Valmet voice in japanese was great

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>>151346660
I think all nips sound the same, so I'll keep watching dubs. The problems with dubs is clear though in what you mentioned, the fact voice acting isn't taken seriously at all in the west and because of the former statement, the only people who work for dubbing companies are wash outs and people who love their work. People who love dubbing are working for fucking peanuts.

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>>151336637
I never understood why P&SWG is always high on these lists.
I usually agree with most of the good dubs, but that one was horrible.

Baccano immediately springs to mind.

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>>151343230
>Kim Strauss as Dewey: Better than Koji Tsujitani by far. You knew that motherfucker was batshit crazy from the moment you heard him speak for the first time.

Holy Shit this. Koji Tsujtani was honestly miscast. Koji sounded way younger than Fujiwara's Holland which felt distracting to me.

Plus Strauss had real presence in his voice, such a shame he doesn't voice in anime anymore.

>>151346441
I translate manga, and he's right for the most part. Rote, awkward and cliche doesn't suddenly become profound when written with kanji.

Mushishi

>>151349511
Have you considered not working on garbage manga?

>>151348903
It's a vicious cycle with no clear way out. Such a shame.

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>>151348315
The truth hurts, doesn't it?

I love /v/ threads.
If you're into dubs, check these.

>>151349573
Nope

>>151350471
Nothing about that even approached truth.

>vast majority of the thread praising and discussing dubs
>barely anyone calling it out
When did this board change so much?
It's almost unrecognizable.

Russian dubs(actual dubs and not fan-made voiceovers) are usually really bad, but I unironically prefer TTGL dub over original japanese
https://youtu.be/01OVvTONOgQ?t=7m56s

>>151350652
>americunts can't into voice acting reeeeeeeeee
>1000 times folded japanese art of voice acting
Why does no one call a delusional weaboo out too
You understand there's a hatebase for every of your gorioshi seiyuufu on japanese imageboards, just like the hatebase for dubs and localizations on /a/.
By that I don't mean to imply that jap voice acting is on the same level with english dubs that are truly half-assed 90% of time, but your point of view is extremely close-minded.

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>>151328396
>YYH

Good but not great much like the DBZ dub it suffers from "voices should sound like the body they came from" syndrome and Sagat talking to himself. Giving Botan a fake British accent was stupid and was just to make sure her voice was distinct from Chichi. Kuwabara is fantastic, Yusuke and Hiei are good, Kurama is bleh and then you have some oddities like Jin who they gave an Irish accent for no apparent reason.
>>151331910
>Code Geass
That dub is not good. It has probably three great performances in the whole cast with everyone else phoning it in or doing an outright horrid job which becomes obvious once you get to R2 when they pretty much rushed it out. JYB as Lelouch is good and props for him for actually making Lelouch sound like a teenager as oppose to Fukuyama who didn't even try (Nips also pointed this out). Yuri is great as Suzaku and pretty much on par with Sakurai especially in the season finale, Liam O'Brien as Lloyd is great alongside Cornelia and Charles, the rest were either miscast (Jeremiah, Rolo, Mao, etc.) or fucking terrible (Kallen, Nunnally, Shirley).
>>151334928
It was fine the Japanese cast wasn't that good either so it helped a lot. Crispen Freeman puts in a better performance as Holland than Keiji Fujiwara.
>>151335066
It was disappointingly meh despite how much they hyped that show's English debut like the second coming they couldn't at least go all out with the cast as well? The only performance that stands out and makes it worth it is Takarada who makes an already memorable character even more so in English in fact its distracting how good his performance is compared to everyone else.

>>151334928
You mean Aeorekka Seven, right?

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Trigun dub is hit and miss as fuck, but they handled Legato and Vash pretty well

the hellsing dub is perfect

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>>151336637
>spice and wolf
>dub
>acceptable in any way what so ever

>>151346441
>however with the YYH the dub script is perfect.
Is exactly the same as the original

>>151350830
Who are you quoting?
Why are you acting like I said those things?

>I don't mean to imply that jap voice acting is on the same level with english dubs that are truly half-assed
Glad we agree.
Not only are dubs generally performed by nobodies, with plenty of things lost in translation to fit the animation, but they also lack the original voice direction.

If you actually watch a decent amount of anime, you realize that dubs are both rare and unneccessary.

Someone who watches dubbed anime is like the guy who eats at McDonalds in a foreign country.

>>151351362
Thanks for admitting you haven't seen both.

>>151351414
>If you actually watch a decent amount of anime, you realize that dubs and subs are basically the same

fixed.

>>151351414
There's nothing wrong with discussing rare good dubs that exist. Your point implies that there are none, but that would also imply that Japanese can't be bad at voice acting.
>dubs are both rare
What are you on?
>who eats at McDonalds in a foreign country
What's wrong with that? It's just food. Are you bad at making analogies?
>Who are you quoting?
Back to /jp/, please.

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>>151341995
>CAUSE I'M JUST A GIRL WHO CAN'T SAY NO
Everytime

>>151351526
No, japs can definitely be bad at voice acting.
The issue here is the implication that dubs are watched because they're better than the original.

It either changes the product to be different from the original (and therefore to your liking), or downgrades it with a lack of direction, voice acting skills or translation finesse.

>What are you on?
The amount of anime which are dubbed in the vast ocean of shows and OVAs out there is tiny, hopefully you know this.

>What's wrong with that? It's just food. Are you bad at making analogies?
Are you bad at understanding analogies?
The point is that you choose familiar, comfortable things over experiencing the actual product as it was intended.

But once again, who were you quoting?
Who said the words within your meme arrows?

>>151351414
>food analogy
It's like I'm really on /v/.

>English dubs
wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6NaVH-_wPM

>>151351847
cyka bliyat

>>151351741
>The point is that you choose familiar, comfortable things over experiencing the actual product as it was intended.
Am I supposed to eat McDonalds only in burgerland now or what? I'm fucking Russian.
I don't choose "familiar" things, I watch the original and then watch dub if I find it good to get different kind of experience with the show. There are people who watch dubs firsthand or never even touch the subbed anime, but that's not the point of the thread.

>>151351747
Seems to fit your Toonami thread quite well.

>>151351878
If you're Russian, Russia is not a foreign country to you.
Anyone who has ever traveled is familiar with the stereotype of Americans flocking to McDonalds when visiting foreign countries.

Why do I have to explain this?
Why did you ignore the rest of my post?

>>151351884
Doesn't do well for trying to keep /a/ at a certain level of quality when you keep using what's infamous on the board you don't want to be like.

>>151351935
I've replied to the other part of your post though.

>>151336637
The Peach Girl dub is, good?

>>151351962
I'm really sorry that you didn't like the kind of analogy I made, I don't know as much about /v/ as you do.

Can you try to address the points within the post now?

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>>151344626
Yes, the dub of this is legit funnier than the Japanese.

>>151352035
Nigga I've already replied to you in >>151351878, why are you confusing other people with me. I'm not going to quote anything for you.

>>151351318
(You)

>>151352081
>why are you confusing other people with me
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you've apparently replied twice to the same post.

You've still not addressed anything before the analogy here: >>151351741

>>151335066
I remember Mako's VA sounding really damn good. They also did a great job on Gamagori and Nonon. Other then that, Ryuko sounded really off and it was hit or miss. It added a lot of random swearing though which at times was amusing.

>>151328396
I think Gurren Lagann had a good dub.

>>151352155
Why don't you reply to what I have adressed? The topic of this thread says nothing about watching dubs INSTEAD of original. In fact you can only decide if it's superior having watched both. What's wrong with discussing good dubs, which was the original issue you had with this thread?

>>151352155
The analogy is shit because "experiencing it as it's intended" is a valid argument for both dubs and subs. One the one hand, "muh director hand picked nip VAs," on the other "muh listen not read."

>>151352217
I didn't watch the dub but I did see watch clips of it and the thing that was most off to me was that Ryuuko shortened senketsuu to just "senkets" which sounds dumb in English.

>>151328396
FMA and Evangelion.

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>>151328396
Ninja Slayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPY3IDsoM3Q

>>151352217
>>151352330
Not even mentioning that, Ryuuko sounded like a 30 year old chain smoking lesbian.

>>151328396
check' em

>>151352738
Absolutely fucking not

>>151352888
Anon, you are aware that dubbed Ninja Slayer actually completes the joke about Ninja Slayer's creation right?

>>151352738
True perfection is leaving Ninja Slayer himself with Japanese audio and subtitles, then Dub for everyone else.

They don't exist.

>>151353117
Just like good anime

>>151337128
>that bit where he showed off his talent of not syncing his lips to his voice

>>151343540
>Washu will never shake the dew off your lillie

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Griffith. Especially when he was singing.

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>>151342246
This. Baccano is hands down on the the best dubs out there.

I can't take Japanese voice acting seriously. That shit sounds so retarded most of the time.

>>151337817
False.

I want lebbit to leave.

>>151358387
Nah, he's right. Especially in regards to Dandy himself.

>>151342599
Dub is the only way to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQ_pvI4AGI

>>151351108
Yeah Lloyds dub voice fits him so much better than the sub. Just rewatched a scene to confirm it. It fits his personality to a T

So did Botan die a virgin?

>>151337128
>he ate my pencil!

How is HxH dub like?

>>151341794
strongly agreed, huge snoozefest with a good joke here and there

>>151361275

The 1999 one isn't that great but it has a few decent performances Brendan Hunter's Hisoka is the stand out but the 2011 anime's dub is infinitely better than the 1999 version for the most part.

It's not perfect, Cristina Vee's Killua is a bit iffy but Erika Harlacher's Kurapika and Erica Mendez's Gon are on point.

Reminder that the bebop sub is better than the dub

>>151362670
This faggot

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>>151351108
I agree with these criticisms on the YYH dub a lot actually, but I'm curious, what do you consider a great dub? I would argue YYH is better than DBZ's dub (though DBZ as source material in my opinion develops stronger characters than YYH imo, i think funimation is a big reason why YYH was so appealing), and ultimately i'd call it "great" in the grand scheme of dubs.

I guess it could be argued Cowboy Bebop is a better dub, for example, but they also had an easier time I feel. Not to say dubbing a shonen is harder by default, but I will say more characters = more of a pain in the ass to deal with, so I'd still put YYH on the same level ultimately.

what do you think, /a/?

>>151351108
>the rest were either miscast (Jeremiah, Rolo, Mao, etc.) or fucking terrible (Kallen, Nunnally, Shirley).

None of those were bad performances except Nunnally's. You just don't like the Code Geass dub, that's all.

>>151337818
His Nero is good though.
Sure he mostly shouts
>KYRIEEEEEE
But it's still good

>>151363731
>None of those were bad performances except Nunnally's
Nope they were all bad. Karen Straussmen can't act for shit (remember Badass mother?) and Shirely's VA had this distracting lisp in her lines.

>You just don't like the Code Geass dub, that's all.
Because its not a good dub despite a few strong performances.

>>151352599
Fucking dubs of truth
Shinji voice in English was even more annoying than Jap

>>151363491
>what do you consider a great dub?
Not counting Disney dubs since they'll be too easy despite the controversies I generally believe their FMA dub is great along with their Baccano dub since they go well and beyond their usual output. YYH is better tdub than DBZ by virtual as being a more faithful script but it has the same problems as DBZ in terms of cast rotation so the tend to share the same weaknesses with the key difference being that YYH has overall more consistency while DBZ is more "you'll get use to it". I mentioned that the only difference between the voices of Botan and Chichi is that the VA gave her a fake British accent so you pretty much get a lot of actors from DBZ playing different character by adding in annoying tics once again going back to Jin and his Irish accent. This is not so much a problem with Baccano (even though it has a lot of fake accents) because its overall more consistent and better acted despite sharing most of the same VAs. And once again the DBZ problem of "character voices should match their bodies" hit with Kurama this time around taking a fairly unique voice in the original and making him incredibly bland and boring with his English voice. Justin Cook's Yusuke and Chuck Huber's Hiei are nothing like their original voices respectively but they give memorbale performances by giving their characters a certain edge that's appealing while Kurama's VA doesn't even try.

>>151364954
thank you, this is genuinely quite insightful.

if you don't mind, could i ask about your opinion on the Disney dubs? I'm assuming you're talking Ghibli and such

>>151358062
So you only watch dubs?

The best Dubs in German are having Captain Future, Saber Riders and One Piece

>>151361869
>It's not perfect, Cristina Vee's Killua

The English Noel Vermillion voicing Killua? That must sound awkward.

I know there are a handful of seiyuu's who are in a lot of anime too but how can dubfags stand literally the same 12 people in every worthwhile show? Even if Kana Hanazawa is in everything at least the rest of the cast will be different.

I will never watch the Jojo dub in full but the Part 2 clips on Youtube are fucking magical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_DTNdmpliY
Only part 2 though. Part 1 and 3 are generic dub trash

>>151368154
Listening to JYB trying British accent is pretty cringey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhgHz3Fm3o
I don't care what haters say with this.

>>151349511
>Implying manga not becoming profound when written English becomes Kanji means that Japanese voice acting is of a higher tier and typically carriers more skilled and appropriate emotion than what can be found in English dubs.

>>151366014
Yes basically anything from them and G-Kids when they get Ghibli movies. Despite their pedigree their dubs are not all homeruns but they;re better than the vast majority of anime dubs by sure virtue of getting actual actors to do them now this doesn't necessarily mean that they're all good because of this.

>>151328396
>english dub is superior
No such thing
Fuck off

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>>151370132
w-whoa!

YYH is a decent dub but a lot of people only view it as superior because they grew up with it.

If it aired today you wouldn't be saying that.

>>151371376
I actually didn't watch it until this year's October.

>>151361275
>>151361869
Oh they just did the Castro episode.

Hisoka's voice is too 'nice'. He's like Him except less gay but also less intimidating.

But Machi is voiced by the English Maya from Ace Attorney, p. good.

>>151328396
YYH had great voice acting for the main 4-5 characters, but was terrible outside of them compared to the Japanese dub. I prefer the japanese voice actors largely apart from Yusuke probably.

Everytime I hear the opinion that the dub is better than the original I can't help but think that people focus too much on the main characters. The side characters are part of the show too.

>>151372653
The main characters and the script itself are better though. The side characters alone can't compete with that.

>>151372399
>they don't bother to voice the post-credits scenes

what logic is this

>>151372653
The only badly voiced important side character is Genkau. They really fucked the dog by having that 80 year old grandma try to sound like a young kanojo.