What is it about mecha that keeps western casual/normalfags out?

Because most decent mecha is over a decade old at best and stuff like Gundam has too many series for newfags to be interested.

It's just fucking robots.

The same reason every single popular show is a cop drama

"Muh Realism".

>>151299516

I always figured they hated echii most.

Because it's harder to self insert as a pilot because their vehicle of power is a robot instead of being incredibly powerful for no rhyme or reason.

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>>151299578
Elaborate.
I don't get it.

>>151299632
Ecchi shows are actually pretty popular, considering they tend to get licensed/dubbed fairly frequently.

It's a travesty. They made the mayor of Ankara demolish that 20-ft tall Zaku he built with taxpayer money and replaced it with a fucking dinosaur.
How is a dinosaur supposed to defend Zeon from terrorism?

>>151299637
To be fair, some of them have the "pilot connects with his mecha and destroys everything" power up.
You'd think it's easier when the MC is a normal(by anime standards) human bean outside of it.

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>>151299826
>how is a dinosaur supposed to defend Zeon from terrorism?
You can't protect Zeon against itself.

Someone post the "I don't like mechs but" chart

>>151299547
They can hop on AU stuff.

>>151299579
This, a lot of excuses I've seen for uninterest or hating mecha is from people who go "but tanks are more realistic" when realism isn't the point.

Others just associate mecha with transformers and automatically assume it's childish, and this isn't really helped by the color schemes.

>>151299516
>it's made to sell toys
Is the most common thing they say, meanwhile most popular unicorn mech don't have and won't have MG gunpla because plastic bent under it's own weight. Also they see no irony whatsoever in buying tons of shit with Rem on it.

>>151299579
this

they just want tanks

>>151299516
Because they have their own Mecha Shows
>Voltron Force
>Voltron Legendary Defender
>Symbiotic Titan
And
>Generator Rex

>>151299552
>>151299579
>>151300247
Then, how come shit like Pacific Rim is popular?
They're fine with One Piece, saints seya when mecha can blend both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-55YJpaDys

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>>151300376
>Pacific Rim
>popular
Anon, the only place PR did good was China, and every movie does well in China. PR did get good reception, but it never made it big in the west, which is why they canned PR2.

>mfw they promised PR2 would have more robots vs robots stuff and now we'll never get it

>>151300376
>how come shit like Pacific Rim is popular?
>It panders to americans and the chinese who will pay to watch anything fight
>is a live-action movie that has a somewhat "realistic" atmosphere compared to the bright color of
>made by a well known director

>>151300376
From what I've seen, its popular amongst those that are already into mecha anyway.

>>151300324
While stylized, Voltron is produced by nips.
It's like saying Robotech or Star blazers is Western

A lot of the good ones are like 30 years old

>>151299516
They can't self-insert an good MC piloting a sick mech.

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>>151300446
>which is why they canned PR2
Are you for real?

>>151300786
he's lying del toro is working on PR2

>>151300786
pretty sure he's still working on it but it got delayed

>>151300786
Last I heard they went around in China looking for investors.
>>151300825
Do you have a credible source for that? I'm serious, if you have a good source, I'd love it, since I want PR2 too.

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>>151299516
It's pretty hilarious to see "friends" who go to japan and take a selfies in front of that very statue when they didn't watch a single Gundam show.

>>151299516
Everyone I've ever asked has cited Politics as the answer. Too much talking, too much realism. They basically want the DBZ of mecha. I point them towards TTGL but they never even give it a chance thinking it's just going to be more Gundam.

>>151299632
But ecchi battle harem is popular as fuck.

>>151300884
https://twitter.com/realgdt/status/749035767628861444

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>>151301092
Thanks anon, you brough me hope

>>151301072
within anime circles, or privately

>>151300937
that's because the real answer is westerners think giant battling robots is fucking stupid

>>151300700
>nothing is animated in America

>>151301187
>westerners think giant battling robots is fucking stupid

So Transformers and Pacific Rim weren't huge box office successes then?

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>>151299826
>protect Zeon from terrorists

But anon, Zekes ARE the terrorists

The designs don't help at all. Too stupid more often than not.

>>151301242
PR only made twice more of it's budget, and most of that came from chinks. Transformers I'll give, but it's mostly because of childhood nostalgia and aggressive marketing.

>>151301318
Mainstream shonen designs are pretty retarded too.

Because muh politics. Also for gundam sheer amount of series and the high episode count for each is probably intimidating

>>151299516
The designs. It's in an unsatisfying middle ground that puts off those who both love and hate big weapons and military stuff. The west, or at least a lot of the anglosphere, want what they love about machines in this kind of stuff. There was also a: why not just watch a regular battle shounen? question that was posed in one of these threads, when the mecha combat is too out there.

>>151301354
This is true but it doesn't have the penalty of hitting some culture's demographics who love robot stuff the wrong way.

>>151300786
It got delayed/canned after crimson peak went way over budget but its back on again and iirc they are filming it now.

>>151301242
PR no. Most of its money was made in Asia (Mostly China) and in the US it was slow to build up sales. The primary issue was that it had such a huge budget that it was very hard to make a profit off of it.

>>151301485
It pains me to think that Pacific Rim and Grown-Ups 2 were in cinemas at the same time and most people opted to see Grown-Ups 2.

>>151299516
It doesn't keep casual/normalfags out.
the bars are flipped, m8. It keeps autism in.
People who sperg about mech designs and internal socio-political choices of who did what when in a series that came out over three decades ago with scooby-doo tier animation, and sperg out when this is mentioned as well. And autistic fujos who ship every last one of the wing boys with each other, or homos lusting after Loran.

It's friday night, you're on 4chan . Tell me I'm wrong.

>>151299516

because its not aesthetic. its just blocks of lego. the fact they are machines means there is an obvious detachment due to a lack of humanity and it makes it hard for well adjusted people to actually relate to them on an emotional level.

>>151299516
They just go "meh, Transformers" and back to playing CounterStrike

>>151301510
guess who's here as well?
YOU

The fad never really caught on in the west.
There was a peak in the 80/90s in Europe, I still have that RX-78 action figure my parents got me back then somewhere.

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>>151301528
But that's why all the best mecha builds a strong cast. Robot fights are cool, but you don't care unless you're invested in the people in the robots and/or what they are fighting for.

>>151301561
Yup.

>>151301092
Del Toro is one of us and I only hope he can pull it off again.

>>151301169
No
With normalfags.
Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tails.

>>151301678
You forgot dbz

>>151301343
Childhood nostalgia is why people hated Bayformers, while being huge transformers fans. They just remember the boxy toys mom bought them when they were ten, and now they see walking piles of scraps on the screen, that barely resembles the boxes they grew up with.

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>>151301528
>the fact they are machines means there is an obvious detachment due to a lack of humanity and it makes it hard for well adjusted people to actually relate to them on an emotional level.
I'm sure that if I show 080 to some normalfag, they'll be all emotional.

>>151299516
Too many series, hard to know where to begin with Gundam.

It's like...it has so many tropes and so much navel gazing by the people who grew up on it that they can't actually see how silly it is.
That they don't have any new blood or ideas coming into the stagnant yet profitable genre.

To that end, it's not as awesome and exploited as it should be.
Unless they honestly go balls deep with the tech and stop jerking off the old guard and mech geeks it will be forever in it's still moderately profitable ghetto.

>>151301736
Or even patlabor movies.

>>151301796
Patlabor 2 wouldn't work emotionally if you aren't up on the series. You need to know what Alphonse means to Noa to know what dismissing it means to her.

>>151301786
>It's like...it has so many tropes and so much navel gazing by the people who grew up on it that they can't actually see how silly it is.
>That they don't have any new blood or ideas coming into the stagnant yet profitable genre.
This is anime as a whole, you could even good in gaming with this statement

>>151301736
080 is the least mecha of the franchise though.
Like Ghibli meets Gundam.

>>151301736
>that scene in GBF with Uso handing over his mother's helmet to his dad.
FUCK Sunrise for that.

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>>151302242
GBF is Gundam Valhalla for a reason.

>>151302242
Sunrise hates its viewers, they showed almost every dead person in that show but put some weird dark humor twist on it.

>>151301362
Folks are always going on about how great the wire is, and it's pretty long.
But I suppose folks into that aren't into Chinese cartoons. Their loss, really.

>>151302397
It was also the most original mecha and gundam EVER.
Then Try came along and it devolved into just utter shit. Beyblade Burst did everything it failed miserably in doing, except for making yankable heroines. They did a good job at that.

>>151302553
>Then Try came along and it devolved into just utter shit.
I loved GBF, but I couldn't get beyond 3 episodes of that.

>>151302506
>Folks are always going on about how great the wire is, and it's pretty long.
Only college liberals, other normalfags don't.

>But I suppose folks into that aren't into Chinese cartoons. Their loss, really.
This is more true to reality than the former statement only if you consider the boomer generation. They simply assume cartoons = 4kids, which is generally true since anime is made mostly for Japanese teenagers, with few exception.
American youths are far more exposed to manga and animes and like them.

>>151302600
Well normies still watch breaking bad and the office. US TV shows are generally longer than animu. That's also a shame.

Sure, but those kids are exposed to whatever is not Netflix or Crunchyroll. They ain't like us autists, following the seasons.
He'll, friends I've got who watch anime think me keeping updated is weird. I don't bring it up any more.

>>151301597
Noa is too cute

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>>151303441
She is. And you wouldn't care half as much about the Ingrams if she wasn't the one sitting in the one that is always kicking ass.

>>151300618
This. I had a friend who liked Del Toro, but he just refused to watch Pac Rim.

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>>151301318
>not liking moneye

Normies just cant handle Tomino

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>>151301187
>the real answer is westerners think giant battling robots is fucking stupid
Wrong, most think its fucking cool. The problem is people are also stupid and think that it is something "childish" so they don't try them out or can't find any entertainment out of them because they have deluded themselves into thinking mecha is childish. Really, this applies to most stuff the japs produce. Like SoL, moeblob and so forth.

>>151304286
>because they have deluded themselves into thinking mecha is childish
You've got the rationale backwards. They have deluded themselves into thinking that they are not allowed to enjoy anything that kids enjoy. It's fucking mindboggling stupid.

>People lap up muh space magic and other over the top parts of Star Wars
>Think of mecha as childish at the same time

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>>151299516
Simply no appreciation for Wunderwaffen

>>151299516

UC Gundam is fucking dumb at times. Aspects of the technology and how/why things happen require additional side materials to understand the outcomes of some events.

Some characters go full retard, lack of spying/optical records (cameras and security would solve so many problems).

And general 'realism' things of how a 80T biped would rip itself to pieces. With how quick these things are portrayed, just turning around would rip the machine to pieces.

Oh god help me get through ZZ and into CCA. Character decision making capabilities have been severely compromised and Char's a whole other person in CCA, gone completely insane with the 'Get off the earth, you're killing it', crap.

>>151305042
You managed to get through ZG and 0080 and you are having problems getting through ZZ? How did you manage this? ZG and 0080 are both pretty bad on these fronts.

I put ZG gundam on break and picked up Gundam Seed. I'm not sure what I am doing to myself or why I hate myself this much.

>>151305327

Aspects of ZG were great others not so much. Very mixed feelings on it. Enjoyed the OVAs from 79-ZG enough. JUST. is the best way to explain it. I've watched much of the AU that I just want to get through all of UC/late UC to complete the core aspect of the franchise.

>>151301290

The insanity of the 'get off the earth' in Gundam never gets explained or looked at very well. It's mostly just textual side materials. Like holy shit, if there's barely 2b left on earth and most of them are poor fucks who can't afford to get off earth, how are they doing to pollute it (since pollution.overpopulation were driving factors in 'get off the rock').

Lobbing nukes around and throwing a bunch or large rocks only exacerbate the very problem leaving was meant to solve. Zeeks are always full retard.

>>151300247

There is an air of childish toys from it though. Hundreds of models to collect, many do transform or have plug-in like capabilities.

I don't know who was more insane in CCA, Char for dropping asteroids on Earth or the Federation for giving him another asteroid just because he said he wouldn't stop it on Earth.

>>151305805
But anon, Asians are genuinely underrepresented in lead roles.

>>151299516
Can't self insert, people assume it's nothing but dumb robots.

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Westerners will never understand
巨大ロボットは男のロマン！

Plebs cannot bear to see anything made before 9/11

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You guys are implying mechs are popular in Japan or something.
More popular than in the west sure but mecha anime and games have not been popular in Japan for a long time now, it's a genre that is mostly appreciated by a much older generation. Kids these days simply don't care for giant robots anymore. They're more into power armor like Iron Man these days.

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>>151307664
Powered armor can be cool, but it's not as versatile for storytelling as giant robos.

>>151304456
>You've got the rationale backwards. They have deluded themselves into thinking that they are not allowed to enjoy anything that kids enjoy. It's fucking mindboggling stupid.

C.S. Lewis got it right. He said that the proof of maturity is when you stop giving a shit about looking like an adult.

>When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

>>151299516
>Gundam
>Not entry level

Can't get over the length of most series. Casuals would rather watch hamstershit or one punch man type of shows that have no overarching plot, but are just "fun" or "comfy" or whatever the casual justification is now for an anime being objective shit but they still unironically enjoy it.

>>151299579
It true though. There 's no point in making a giant robot when we already have tanks and jets.

>>151304456
Yeah, they'll denounce something like mecha as childish and then go off to watch the latest Disney/Pixar or superhero movie. It's weird.

>>151308021
Does that mean you can't enjoy giant robots just because they're fictional? Does something not being super realistic mean its childish and stupid?

Its fiction for a reason.

Westerners wank to muh realism and mecha greets them with motherfucking giant humanoid robots instead boring tanks or boxes on the legs.

>>151308194
*instead of

>>151299552
Isn't Transformers immensly popular in the West?

Plebs only use muh realism as an excuse so they dont feel guilty when they reject classic shows because of the animation
They would prefer to watch one punch meme 4 times than votoms once

>>151308194
I wouldn't mind so much if not for the fact that most western stuff treats realism as an aesthetic rather than a commitment to research and care in writing and presentation. That, and the mindset that something being 'unrealistic' is inherently bad or a failure of the storyteller.

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>>151304903
What was Hitler thinking? God damnit.

>>151307916
00 maybe, but casuals won't touch UC because there's too much of it and the initial entries are too old
>>151300767
This is definitely a thing, it's literally not their power fantasy on choice
>tfw your friend was literally saying he can't enjoy mechs because he can't self insert but he loves that manlet Edward Elric

>>151308555
Counter argument - I loved piloting all my life and can't imagine myself as a fantasy character or an ise-kaiman. I simply don't have that part of the brain.

>>151308132
It doesn't make sense even in anime.

Because Gundam is very inaccessible and 0078 is greatly dated in many aspects despite some fans claiming otherwise. AU Gundams often aren't as good as UC. Seriously, whoever gets lured in by Unicorns pretty design and animation is instantly turned away when they realise they need to watch at least ~100 episodes of very dated shows that don't have Unicorn or Thunderbolt's visual appeal just to understand the story.

I think the best way to lure the western audience in would be a high quality remake of 0078 that doesn't try to reference too much side materials. I fear much more than just the animation would need to be redone for this to be a success though which might off put some older Gundam fans making it a risky strategy.

>>151308734
>Gundam is very inaccessible
This isn't it, normalfags as making up IBO, just like they did with 00 and SEED

>>151299516
The impression I got is that it's simply not the trendy genre, that's all. Outside of major franchise like Gundam, mecha anime simply isn't in vogue. The current popular ones are stuff like isekai/reincarnation with vid game mechanics, so that's the one that gets plenty of advertising. Thus, that's what the casual viewers know of. They sure aren't going to try and dig out the lesser known works.

>>151299516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m0ZadoooI0

because people expect it to be a mindfuck like eva was.
eva is probably the first "mecha" anime people turn to because of it's legendary status. They watch it, get mindfucked hard and decide that mecha is trash

>>151308777

I would say these show's fall significantly short to UC though. 00 is the least believable of all the Gundams while it tries to take itself incredibly seriously. SEED's setting definitely had potential but is ruined by a terrible protagonist that appears to be fighting for the wrong side and worthless animation.

And IBO, dropped this show early on so can't comment on it too much but I wasn't very fond of it.

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>>151308273
Not really. The reason they keep making movies is because the Chinese market eats that shit up.

>>151301678
Those are battle shounen, not battle harems, you gigaretard. A battle harem is something like Highschool DxD or Infinite Stratos. One main guy and a bunch of females around him.

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>>151299552
>not respecting the robot

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>>151300324
>Voltron Force: shitcanned after one season
>Symbiotic Titan: shitcanned after one season
>Generator Rex: managed to make it three seasons, but a lukewarm reception, has episodes that never aired

The only one of those shows that I consider to have had widespread success is Voltron Legendary Defender and it's guaranteed a second season anyway because of that's how Netflix structures their original shows. The only people in the West who consistently watch mecha shows are the people who already like them. Legendary Defender would've be another blip on the radar if the normies weren't drawn in because of the ATLA/Korra staff and you know it's their first mecha because on twitter you can see them complaining about the gattai sequence taking too long and being 'like Sailor Moon' while all the /m/fags are screaming that there wasn't enough fused Voltron and they relied on the individual Lion units too much.

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>>151308734
>I think the best way to lure the western audience in would be a high quality remake of 0078
Gundam Origins?
It's not exactly the same thing, but it lays out the basics and looks pretty.

>>151299516
Don't know but it's better that way.

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>>151299516
Personally, I just find tonks so much sexier than mechs. There's just something about a 45 ton steel box blowing shit up.
>Pic Related
Look at this sexy motherfucker

>>151311057
Full length anime never ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzjT8rCAfhk

>>151299516
You can't have good hand to hand combat with robots

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>>151308832
ah, yisss

>>151308521
Well, he was probably thinking the same thing I did when I saw that the first time
>"This thing is going to be so fucking cool. Let's see those fucking slavs stop this motherfucker. And I fucking dare Rommel to say something about this. Fucking Rommel."

>>151299516
it is actually good

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>>151311057
>45 ton

How about 68 tons?

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>>151313977

>>151301822
I feel like Patlabor 3 would actually be the best introduction to the series if someone was really averse to the idea of watching mecha.

>>151311057
>>151313977
METAL BAWKSES

>>151299516
They think that most mecha show is more about the mecha than the pilots' drama. Or so that's what I thought before watching 0080 war in the pocket.

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>>151314860
It would be a shithouse introduction to Patlabor specifically. Most of the IP is slice of life and comedy in a fairly upbeat and positive fashion.

Why are the nips not working on functioning war mechs right now?

>>151315704
Why do you think the Gundam statue is being replaced in March?

>>151315704
Mechs are shit IRL and we already have somethings better.

>>151315805
Because it's about to fall down?

>>151315940
Because we'll get a moving one for the 2020 JO.

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>>151299547
>stuff like Gundam has too many series for newfags to be interested
This. I love Gundam, but it was a long time after I started watching anime that I started getting into it - the sheer number of series is extremely offputting, and the number of AU timelines only worsen that.

It would be better if they'd stick to one thing for a number of years instead of clogging things up with yet more reboots.

>>151315982
Cool, a moving statue. How's that the same as real mecha anyway?