>fantasy world with rpg mechanics why wont they stop?

Because people like it.

>>151288115
>Fantasy world without RPG mechanics
>There are still RPG holdovers like guilds and quest boards

It's too bad the Japs have no exposure to fantasy except from RPGs. I mean hell Lodoss War was one of the first Jap original high fantasy book and that was just a bunch of sessions from D&D turned into a book.

>>151288115
That's just Japan for you. One day 1 or 2 of those had a massive success, so everybody tried to copy it to oblivion to milk the trend senselessly, until it crashes.

It's the same for every shit that encounters some success in Japan, especially if it's unexpected.

I still remember all the companies trying to copypaste their own versions of the PSP's Monster Hunter, and failing at it in a ridiculous way, just as an example.

>>151288115
>not knowing what Dragon Quest is
Get a load of this faggot

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>Fantasy world with D&D everything

>>151289023
>Quest boards

If I'm a peasant and I want some guy to kill the monster eating my cows, how would I make a request without using a board?

>>151289682
you'd go ask the lord that owns your land for help.

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>>151289023
>quest boards

like this?

>>151289830
Yep. I can think of a bunch of isekai stories with actual quest boards in adventurer guild buildings.

Off the top of my head, Overlord, The New Gate, Mushoku Tensei all come to mind.

>>151289778
There is not necessarily feudalism, it's a fantasy world after all

Are isekai only limited to high fantasy?

>implying Guts is not stuck in a MMORPG

>>151288115
>fantasy world
This is the shit that needs to end in the first place.

>>151288115
I like them. RPG mechanics are the coolest when not done wrong and just spam with bots.

>>151290443
No, there's low fantasy and sometimes sci-fi. Fantasy is always the most popular so you'll see it more often than not.

>>151291332
What about alternate universe of the MC's own?

and no, I'm not keit-aing here.

>>151291893
I think that would count.

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>There will never be an anime set in World of Warcraft

>>151292220
considering Blizzard's writing "skills", I think it's for the best

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>>151292220
Diablo would be way cooler if we could get it to be grim dark like the 1997 Berserk

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>>151292220
Sounds good to me. Blizzard's writing is like fanfiction level.

We need more "DnD" type anime fantasy like Lodoss War and turn Goblin Slayer into an anime.

>>151292526
diablo III let me down on the grimdark front

>>151292526
The 2nd one was quite grim. It's the 3rd that ruined the atmosphere by going full epic.

Same problem for Starcraft, actually.

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>>151292220
>there will never be an anime about highschoolers playing MMOs
>the shota who doesn't know he's flirting with his christmas cake english teacher online
>the class rep who slowly turns into a loot whore


there's a reason I fucking loved the first episode of .hack//Quantum

and don't mention phantasy star online

>>151292612
>>151292679
Yeah I agree on that

>tfw no runescape anime

>>151292551
>>151292381
I mean an anime where WoW is just the MMO setting, like it uses all the mechanics of WoW, not the story of WoW

>>151292817
So Log Horizon?

>>151292817
The problem is that Blizzard would never accept to give up the control of the production of this anime to a contracted studio. Or, more exactly, even if they did they would never give up the control on stuff like scenario or designs.

And considering Blizzard's current writing skills...

>>151288115
>Fantasy world with RPG mechanics
>Battle harem academy with a Japanese MC and a bunch of foreign girls
>Highschool romcom with misunderstandings, love triangles and melodrama
These three are the absolute worst of the worst, and everyone who continuously enjoys them should be euthanized.

>>151292912
I don't like the tired "oh no we're trapped in a videogame" premise. I just want people having fun in an videogame.

That's why Accel World is vastly superior Kawahara's more popular series

>>151292971
Its mainly superior because the MC isn't a gary stu to live out wish fulfillment fantasies. Haru gets a lot of hate for being a wimp but he's a thousand times better written than Kirito

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>tfw no Ragnarok Online ani-

Oh wait, let me rephrase that:
>tfw no Ragnarok Online anime with third classes, people fucking around in Lightalzen, Tower of Thanatos, Moscovia, Niflheim, Rachel Sanctuary and Juperos
It's the only MMORPG I ever bothered playing. I would watch regardless of being MMORPG based like SAO or Overlord or just based on the game's universe.
+ The females High Priest, Assassin, Hunters, Knights lewds would increase 10x.

>>151292817
Meh

>>151292817
Only if its adventures of Leeroy Jenkins.

>>151293957
Iok in IBO is basically Leroy Jenkins.

>>151293310
What, no dancers?

>>151288115
Because it's literally EZ mode for exposition. Think about it, the hardest thing for fantasy is convincing the reader that the world is worth investing time in. You have to carefully write a story that explains how the world works and why it's interesting without going "THIS IS X. THEY DO Y."

RPG mechanics allow you to completely negate that because you can use new players as a blatant method of exposition and not have to worry about a thing.

>isekai
>MC find out he was transported to the world of... RUNESCAPE CLASSIC
>clunky endless grind
>gimmicky pvp in the wilderness with backstabbing, scamming and lying through your teeth
>quests are all interesting but full of horrendous british humor

>>151288115
But I like those games :/
They still need to have good writing, not just massive grinding.

>>151289830
I don't think I've encountered a "quest board" in D&D. Town Cryer sure, ye olde inn, yes. But no actual job boards.

Elder Scrolls has Fighter/Mage/Merchant/Thieves guilds.

>>151288115
>Why do people like things?

>>151295801
you find them in a lot of other animu/manga than >>151290059 too, like konosuba, goblin slayer or danmachi (first ones coming too mind)

I don't really remember a lot of western-made fantasy RPGs having actual quest boards, apart from the Witcher series.

Relieving as a baby again but still retain the old memories is the worse. Basically a new game+

>>151296821
I /think/ Dragon Age 1 had one in each town. But I don't remember because it was so long ago.

>>151292551
Goblin Slayer is edgy shit for retards.

>>151296813
I think the question is more like "Why do people like poorly written, repetitive and creatively bankrupt stories that are nothing but hollow power fantasies for angsty teenagers who want to believe they're actually super special and everyone loves them."

Surely you don't think everyone here and who watches anime in Japan is a stupid kid, right?

>>151288115
Why can't they be original and have someone who has no idea about what RPG mechanics are be the protagonist? It's always some faggot self-insert who's super clever and uses his powers in oh so clever ways that no one would ever think about in a million years despite being really simple, even in the comedic stuff like Konosuba. It'd be more funny if, like, some fucking salaryman who has never played a video game in his life being forced to deal with RPG bullshit.

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>>151292551
>blatantly obvious attempt to establish self as different, dark & realistic
>only to introduce edgy MC who magically makes enemies retards upon arrival
>proceeds to introduce other completely stock characters & give the MC a harem

>>151297144
This

>>151288115

>fantasy world with RPG mechanics
>its isekai
>MC can collect skills from enemies

Make it stop.

>>151292704
Not an anime, but your character in Persona 3 can play an MMO. You meet a player in the game, long term of the story you eventually find out your teacher is the player. You don't go into some of the other storylines you mention though.

>>151292704
.hack seems like the perfect foil for this.

Never looked at the phantasy star anime . . .


Also I really liked Grimgar.

>>151297215
I'd rather have something like /tg/'s Stranded in Fantasy.

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>tfw you will never adopt a Tsukasa

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>>151297144
Goblin Slayer is entry-level of edgy, though

>>151297359
>/a/ finally makes a manga
>it's isekai

>>151297765
But you'll never have cute grandkids

>>151298229
Every single 4chan idea for anything has always been even worse than the thing the complain about.

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>>151298229
Oh but it'd be incredibly self-aware and ironic Isekai, because that's what's cool being self-aware and ironic while doing the exact same shit

>>151298229
IRONIC isekai

>>151298229
There'd be so many layers of irony involved that most people won't realize that we're doing the exact same thing Sakamoto666 is doing.

>>151295801
Depends on the DM, quest board scenarios requires the guy running the game to have made that many one shots on hand. Only adventure module know of that might have a quest board is the Kingmaker adventure path for Pathfinder, and even then its a hex exploration scenario rather than straight up quest board situation.

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>>151298266
Good thing I saved this.

>>151298229
My story is about an isekai of a girl who gets turned into a guy in the next world, but has lost her memories so she doesn't realized she was from Japan.

>>151298229
>MC is an otaku NEET loser
>he is obsessed with this one battle harem show
>he likes this one girl who he dubs as the best girl
>and he absolutely despises this one girl who he calls the worst
>he shitposts about how much he hates her on 2ch all day
>one day he somehow wakes up in this shows universe with a academy invite in his hand
>it's the first episode
>knowing the show inside out, he makes it to the battle academy to enroll
>to his horror, everybody in the harem ignores/hates him since they all wants the harem MC's dick
>everybody except the worst girl

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>I got transported to....
>I got resurrected into ___

When will they be tired of this shit. I get that this is an easy plot device but there are too many

>>151288115
I like it - as long as it's done well (it's usually not).

>>151298823
i like the one where generic japanese teenager becomes yamcha

>>151298277
This desu

>>151298616
Do you know whats incredibly sad? This formula would actually work. This would probably be one of the better shows of whatever season it aired in.

>>151298357
>>151298397
but surely you don't have to isekai the main character for it to be isekai :^)

best isekai
>>151165036

>>151289023
fantasy doesn't always mean medieval you fucking retard
It can have guilds and quest boards just fine because it's fucking fantasy

>>151298923
I've read multiple series that used that EXACT formula. However, they're all otome

3 years and then fantasy worlds with twitch stream mechanics take over, pass it on.

>>151288115
>I got transported to an isekai
>For some reason I can open menus and check status like levels and points

Fucking Japs

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>>151292220
>WoW
>Not FFXI

>>151299074
What an awful time to be alive

>>151289023
>>151298993

you idiot little kids know guilds are historical and not fantasy, right? unless we're specifically talking about "adventurer's guilds"

>>151298229
/a/ already made an isekai anime though.

>>151299446
It doesn't matter if it's historical. The point is, It's a fantasy world. If the author decides to build a world that has guilds on it, then what's the problem? It's basic world building.

>>151298421

>know this is terrible
>know this doesn't get any better
>read it anyways because protecting and raising cute loli catgirl

I've fallen far.

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>Fantasy MMO anime
>characters can literally see and interact with the UI

>>151299672
Well yeah if it's an MMO anime of course they got UI to interact with anon.

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>>151299672
>isekai with several people reincarnating
>only muh speshul snowflake MC-sama has a menu UI

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>>151299987
>Isekai where the god of the world solves literally every problem in the world by summoning a Japanese highschooler
>99% of the worlds population is now Japanese highschooler with nothing to do
>story is about the villagers systematically killing off all the highschoolers because they do nothing except consume their resources

>>151300142
how about an anime where the main character kills off all the isekai'd characters in his world, and defeats the boss/demon whatever himself?

>>151288115
Japan just needs to reinvent their definition of fantasy.
We don'tneed the same old boring swords, wizards, and dragons shit we've had for years.

We need settings that aren't commonly used and original world ideas, stuff like Eureka seven, king gainer, or Macross.

>>151300257
What's the point though? Unless you want a three chapter short story.

>>151300369
>what we need isn't fantasy
>what we need is mechs
/m/ please go

>>151300448
just isekai another japanese student and make him god for the mc to defeat. could keep it going for more than three chapters

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>>151300257
There's already something like that. I don't remember the name but some isekai'd guy destroying other isekai'd people by fucking their party members. All for some orcish pussy.

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>>151288115
>it's isekai
>mc got teleported by the truck

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>>151293310
fuck yeah anon. Oldschool Biochem reporting

>>151300597
>Truck-sama is god

>>151300555
Well that narrows it down to, oh, about a couple thousand series.
Considering most isekai garbage is escapism for antisocial retards and most of them have the MC incapable of socializing with normal people so they're left with only monsters and monster girls for friends.

>>151300487
I don't care for the mecha, but those shows tend to have very interesting and unique settings compared to other anime.

There's also stuff Aria, Jyu-oh-sei, Eden of the east, Durarara, and Kino no tabi.

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>>151300369
A few of them are trying.

>>151298189
Is this still ongoing?

I read it up to the part where the girl ran away from the circus-demon-thing

>>151300851
>a combination of Index and Mahouka
Wow. I thought LNs can't get worse.

Why WoW? Why not Black Desert Online, or a remake of Ragnarök Online. It would be nice to where it was like Grimgar, to where they just woke up in a whole new world didn't know anything about it. I'd like a mix between SAO, Log Horizon, with Grimgar fighting style.

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>>151300965

>>151301023
>I read putrid LN shit my opinion matters
Why are LN shitters the worst posters on /a/?
And how do we remove them from this board?

>People want fantasy with no RPG mechanics
>nobody mentions Rokka no Yuusha

>>151288115
its not in inherently a bad thing, despite being overused as a substitute for a decent world building. Look at Grimgar for example.

>>151301091
People who thing Rokka is good should be sentenced to death by hanging.

>>151301117
>its not in inherently a bad thing,
This is not a widely shared opinion.

>>151301156
>thing

>>151301091
Every good adaption is like hated for some reason. It makes no sense.

>>151301117
>Grimgar
I loved this series, I'm not done yet (like 2 episodes from finishing)
But it handled the setting really well.
The main characters have depth and good arcs and even side characters get a bit of that.

I also love the pacing, its really slow and calm and it's a nice slow burn that just makes you feel like you're being eased into the world.

The backgrounds are top notch too.
I never would've expected it from A-1

>>151288115
You think this is new? You think this is different? I've read a mountain of published American fantasy over the decades that was blatantly "My D&D Campaign: The Novel". If they weren't using a thin expy of D&D spell memorization rules there'd be a ranger in studded leather armor with dual scimitars and an animal companion on the first fucking page.

Here's a secret. Most writers aren't very original and just write what they already know. Here's another secret. Most readers don't WANT originality and prefer comfortably familiar ground rules for their settings. So space ships dogfight like WWII fighter planes, all non-humans are monocultures, are fantasy worlds work like whatever fantasy RPG people are playing the most.

>>151301336
>Most readers don't WANT originality and prefer comfortably familiar ground rules for their settings.
This.

>>151301301
I'm a little annoyed that the title is Grimgar. Last I heard, they figured out a way to escape the world and jumped to a new one. I'm told the title is meant to be Grim Gaol, as in a prison, which makes the rest of the title make more sense. Grim Gaol of Ashes and Illusions. Makes a little more sense that way.

I see nobody's mention Utawarerumono of Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu. Even though one of these flopped badly.

>>151301189
Well, people were thrown a curve ball when the exposition implies that we're given a "Slay the Demon King" setting and then it's revealed to be "The Strongest Man in the World, Sherlock Holmes, finds a Traitor in a Closed Room". The first 2 volumes were very fun for me.

>>151301416
>Last I heard, they figured out a way to escape the world and jumped to a new one
Is that so? I need to get to reading the VNs soon

>>151288115
Personally for me, I love that stuff because it's really easy to keep track of how a character gets stronger. Bonus points if they have a shit class but use it so well or use the system really well. Unfortunately, we get shit like DATABASE DATABASE where it's already OP characters doing shit or SAO where your character gets OP w/o a good explanation other than "I'm a huge fucking nerd who's a god at games"

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>>151302031
Are you retarded? Those aren't fantasy, those are video game worlds. All you have to do to get stronger is kill mobs to level up. If you've ever played an MMO, it's not uncommon to see someone dicking around at the level cap.

I bet your dumb ass thinks skill taking/skill collection is a good plot device.

>>151300851

>I wear a tracksuit because it totally represents my Japanese sensibilities in this world full of magic items and armor!

>>151302245
I'm talking about like Shield Hero or Arifureta. Or if you read manwha, The Gamer...which isn't fantasy in any way, but it's still a real world where everyone or a few people run on an rpg system. Or Re:Monster where it had skill trees and an skill leveling but what still in a fantasy world

>>151302320
It's not isekai anon, he wears it because it's comfortable and dependable.

>>151302361
I'm referring to the last sentence in >>151302031

>Shield Hero
>Arifureta
>Re:Monster

Wow, that's 3 series where the MCs get stronger by consuming monster parts and gaining their skills. You've only proven my point.

>>151295234
A qp

Western fantasy is the stuff of video games to them so naturally they'll include video game shit.

>>151302432
And I like that kind of shit. It's still fantasy with rpg mechanics and it's not like I'm unaware of their shared trope. Anyway, like I initially said, the whole rpg/fantasy mix thing is there because it's easy to follow. Which I don't mind, obviously.

>>151302432
And admittedly, the only things that I've found that do it right are either manwha or are just games in the first place, which can in a way still be considered fantasy in the context of that game

>>151288115
>muh realistic tranny simulators
/co/ck suckers and /v/ermins pls go.

>>151292817
>WoW invented mmo

>>151288115
Japanese people fail at creativity, they can only do incremental innovations: they'll take an existing concept and just make some minor change, while keeping everything intact. This leaves us with some really weird premises, but with lots and lots of overused tropes.

Some isekais have interesting ideas, but they end up all looking the same because everything aside the minor change was copied from other stuff. It's not uncommon to use other stuff as reference, but when everyone uses the same "baseline", it gets overused fast.

Maybe you wouldn't be so annoyed at this kind of stuff if you also tried to vary the kind of stuff you consume. If you stick to only watch shounen isekai LN adaptations, you're the one to blame for being stuck with repetitive stuff.

>>151302777
You still have to read half way through the first chapter before you find out about the ability stealing ability they always have.

>>151302620
I'm not saying you're retarded for liking a skill taking series, I'm saying you're retarded for missing the point in a story where characters are presented to us already being strong and not needing training arcs to visibly show or explain why how they got strong.

It's what they do with that strength that's important, not how they got it. Especially not when that strength can be acquired by gaining exp, leveling up, and distributing skill points for 8 hours straight, every day, until you hit the limit. Sword Art Online and Log Horizon are LITERALLY games that became fantasy worlds. It's not surprising they can become strong by being GOOD AT GAMES.

There's nothing wrong with having fun from poorly written stories or bad tropes. I just got angry that you missed the main purpose of Log Horizon. You come off as the obnoxious kind of brat that eats hot-blooded shounen fighting series, or revels in edgy power fantasies where a ridiculed MC gives someone deserved comeuppance. Or specifically, the kind of person that believes a series to be bad because you specifically did not like it or the genre.

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>all those faggots saying they want a story with more D&D influence when Overlord already exists
I just don't understand

>>151303256
>Being a newfag

>mangakas are afraid to kill of the old cast
This is some series just get gradually worse

>>151303256
People don't really want DnD influence in anime.

They want MODERN DnD influence.

Japanese anime is filled with oldschool dnd reference and old school western rpg reference, however since there seems to be many trendy children in here, they fail at recognizing these older master pieces. They simply want anime to pander to the modern trendy dnd sets.

It goes to show how pathetic this generation of nu-/a/ is.

>>151303358
Can you list the differences in modern and old school DnD? This is a genuine question coming from someone that has never played DnD before and doesn't understand the differences.

>>151288254
this.
Their target customers love it.

>>151288115
You are not paying them to do your favourite tropes and genres while smooching off them.
Beggars can't be choosers as they said it.

I for one don't care as long as they keep churning out battle harems, which I am ones of the many paying them to.

>>151303455
3.5 :^)

>>151303358
You can't expect bitter basement dwellers who never go out and talk to people or play tabletop outside of online to have good opinions, m8.

You are just be burned.

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>>151301091
>or RoB

Delicious irony that an anime based on a CCG fantasy game turned out to be real fantasy with zero game elements whatsoever.

>>151303256
But Overlord was terrible. Total waste of a potentially great premise that descended into SAO copycatting after the second episode.

>>151303455
Old School DnD is more concerned with the actions and what is happening locally than the actual lore, which you are supposed to flesh out with your own imagination.
Relationships, your PCs actions and the adventure itself is more important. The history, mechanics and lore in term of town or monsters aren't and you are supposed to make it up as you go along. They do give you a basic structure in setting but you are suppose to flesh everything out yourselves.

Modern DnD have rules for everything since manchildren can't into imagination and can't into creative thinking by themselves and must have everything explain slowly to them.
Lore is more important because manchildren like to argue whose fictional character is better than whose fictional character.

Shingeki no Bahamut is one of the one school DnD style while modern DnD is probably Grimgar.

>>151303709
>second episode
Filthy secondary

>>151300142
A lot of isekai literally have the major part of their fantasy world's backstory be "resident god has summoned a bunch of Japanese high schoolers before and they did a bunch of shit."

>>151303673
And actually a really enjoyable one. God I loved that show.
Concerning the RPG Fantasy set, unless you have a setting like "log horizon" where those mechanics are actually the point of the show and why the world is like that, they don't make sense. I mean, when you die permanently, you don't have the guild'n'quest mentallity.

>>151303709
Overlord actually has the supporting cast do stuff while being interesting about it. Also

>episode
A secondary. As expected, having a shit opinion.

>>151303716
This actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you. It's too bad I like deceit too much to be a reliable partner or even an enjoyable player. I can imagine I'd get on too many peoples' nerves with antics.

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>>151288115
>why wont they stop?

Because Isekai are the Call of Duty of anime.

Generic pandering fantasy for people to insert into, that does not take any risks, challenge the hero or make him evolve/grow up, or force the hero to earn his happy ending through suffering and effort.

I wonder what the Spec Ops: The Line/Don Quixote of Isekai would be.

>>151303673
I'm convinced viewers nowadays just have terrible memory. Probably has to do with the whole instant gratification thing. They don't remember anything that isn't new.

>>151301067
>I read ____ (insult) __(medium) shit my opinion matters
Sure, anon.

>fantasy world with no rpg mechanics
>nobody mentions Chaika

>>151304207
I'm not sure what you meant by call of duty. If you're speaking fps games, then you should go back to Doom/Quake shits. Or if you're talking about console popularity, it should be Halo, after all the game that invented FPS should be named as such.

Its a 15 year since console fps became popularized, PC still has longer history with DOOM/Quake/Unreal/etc. Meanwhile Isekais has only run for maybe few years at most. You people are false equating things to inflate your own perception of reality.

>>151304297
Yes. Chaika. Shit. Chaika.

>>151304297
That's because no one remembers Chaika.

>>151304297
>fantasy world with rpg mechanics
>KonoSuba
>Overlord
I give up, can't even list them.

>>151304340
You missed his whole point. In fact, Isekais being popularized in recent years would make a better comparison with CoD being popular recently rather than Doom.
The comparison to CoD was that it's generic shit that's churned out rapidly to appease its tasteless audience.

>>151304340
>I'm not sure what you meant by call of duty
anon means the meme popularity

>>151289023
What's wrong with guilds aside from most of them being not "adventurer's guild" but "monster extermination guild"? Their existence is the most logical thing in a world where adventurers exist as profession, not just some random warriors/knights/[insert here] who by the power of fate (player/gm/author) become heroes of the story. Same with quest board.

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I think we all agree when we would rather have them over fucking Battle harems set in School academies.

>>151304428
CoD is still close to 15+ years in popularity. It came up during the endless FPS game release in early 2000s.

CoD is not "recent" in terms of game popularity. Maybe a better analogy would be MOBA like league of legends. MOBA/League newer than CoD and have much more popularity amongst people.

Still Isekai as a genre is very new and it will phase itself out in few more years.

>>151304585
I like both, but isekai is more fun in terms of world building. School Battle Harems are just cool in terms of girls and OPs.

Worst thing
>most LN authors never actually play any RPG, MMO or D&D
>"ghostwriters"
And most authors never research fantasy genre. They don't even read classic fantasy books

>>151304585
I think we all agree tripfags should go and stay go.

>>151304620
>never research fantasy genre
>know all the ins and outs of modern day anime to the point they are able to write similar scenarios
I think you're wrong on that part.

>>151304620
I think you don't read it, you don't play it.

>>151289682
You wouldn't write it down you illiterate dirt farmer.

>>151304738
>implying we're talking about illiterates
Town billboards are a real thing.

>>151288115
Isekai can be good but the problem is japs fuck it up all the time.
With Isekai we have a Genre which will never reach its real potential because its writting by pathetic nerds who want a cericlejerk to their weeaabo fantasies.

>>151303709
>Total waste of a potentially great premise
>SAO copycatting
>second episode
You really should consider to kill yourself. Anime was good enough, but I guess you're so beyond any help that even after reading LN you would still sprout shit like "SAO copycatting" and being insufferable faggot all around.

>>151304801
Nice opinion.

>>151304610
>CoD is not "recent" in terms of game popularity. Maybe a better analogy would be MOBA like league of legends. MOBA/League newer than CoD and have much more popularity amongst people.
You are right there, but I think his main point is that Isekai + RPG is the equivalent to shovelware, dime-a-dozen CoD games and their clones. The recentness isn't exactly the main focus of his post, just the similarities that it's shit and eaten up by their respective fanbase.

>Still Isekai as a genre is very new and it will phase itself out in few more years.
I hope you are right.

>>151304734
>>151304648
To be fair, a lot of Isekai/RPG writers completely disregard the whole point of there being classes and levels
Like in SAO, kirito soloing bosses.
Literally no point in the story being based on an MMO if that is ever even close to feasible.
Even if kirito was overleveled then that raises the question of why no one else was. There's being the best player, then there is being the only competent player. In real life MMOs there is never a clear #1 player in an MMO. Zezima non-withstanding.

>>151304734
Who gives a fuck about rpg/mmo except Overlord author?

>>151304824
>I hope
You shouldn't be hoping for such. You should be hoping for refinements. New new thing doesn't always mean better.

>>151304839
If you've played any MMO game, you'd realize there are hackers and OP skills that allow gamebreaking things. You could solo raid bosses in WoW during certain events with certain classes in a certain way, same content level. Ofcourse they patch/fix those quick, but it happens in almost every mmo. There are gamebreaking items/skills/classes. Only game where classes are balanced with no bugs/abuse is one thats constantly updated regularly and fixes those within a day or two.

>>151304839
>To be fair, a lot of Isekai/RPG writers completely disregard the whole point of there being classes and levels
That's completely untrue and I 100% think you have no idea what you're talking about now because classes and levels are the most important thing to a MC's power.

You bringing up SAO is something that I'm not going to even go into because to bring up SAO is not the best of examples.

>Watching an mmosekai is better than playing one

>>151304839
>In real life MMOs there is never a clear #1 player in an MMO
CBEN technically had one. The creators created a pointlessly high spec difficulty mission and promised a monetary reward to the first 200 clears. This guy named Suguri was the first to clear it in a group and solo. I remember romanticizing it and comparing him to Orca and Balmung from .hack.

>>151304840
Log Horizon's author, who actually came to /a/ to talk to us about it.

>>151304936
It is.

>>151304843
>New new thing doesn't always mean better.
No it doesn't, but I'm willing to take a chance on the new. Entertainment is a fleeting feeling (for me anyway), so I usually love seeing something new, even if it's worse than its predecessor. I mean, I really enjoyed the first RPG-stats in reality manga I read, but now it's a bit stale for me. Perhaps I'm just being too fickle.

>>151304990
If you really love seeing something new, then you should love Isekais since they're the newest thing.

I suspect you don't love the new things but rather abhor it, so instead, everytime something changes, you always hate it. You wish for something new instead. When you get that new thing, you instantly hate it, and the cycle repeats.

This is a poor man's mindset. Poor in terms of mental development. Your heart will always be filled with longing and never actually be fulfilled.

>>151305041
But Isekai have been around for years, and while far more recent, the RPG mix as well. It may be the newest thing, but that doesn't mean one cannot bore of it. I'm now ready to see what is the next 'big thing' and move on.

>>151304936
I would like to play something like SAO, Danmachi, Druaga, etc, where you have 100/multiple levels challenge with similar design idea as in them. But I don't thing that anybody actually did something like this, or at least not on the full potential.

>>151304936
>good mmos
>2017

>>151304585
I think we all agree that you and all other tripfags should kill yourself.
You probably already know this well since everyone keep saying that to you.

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>I was reborn into this fantasy world as one of the weakest people
>but I have this skill that lets me steal skills

NO FUCKING STOP

>>151305316
It's a typical thing in games to be able to do that.

>>151302432
To be fair shieldbro isn't as bad as the others since it's the weapons pulling most of the weight. And if you lose them you're instantly de-powered back to the power of a regular human.

>>151305316
>I was reborn in a mmo where I am level 1, but after a day, I'm now level 80 and I can kill Gods.

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>advanced VR game that can perfectly simulate a real world
>still uses some clunky UI instead of a thought-controlled interface or something
This bothers me so much.

>>151301336
>I've read a mountain of published American fantasy over the decades

This is why I only take Tolkien as my fantasy novel.

>>151301091
Holy fuck, why is the translator so slow?

>>151305399
That's quite a small thing to get triggered by.

>>151303806

>Muh secondary

The LN is shit too. Don't kid yourself. Japan can't write for shit hence why the only international media they tend to sell well with is high octane or animu with basic premises.

Japan cannot create interesting media otherwise. They don't know the problems that writing 'and then momonga did a heart grasp because it was his favourite attack but also because it would give him an idea of how erect his penis was but his penis was too great and he destroyed the guards asshole as he wondered why his metal anus ring was not enchanted with anti-penetration magics to prevent the extra damage that busting his fat ass with his cock would achieve'.

That's how every LN sounds. Maybe it's a problem with the translators being shit but LNs are fucking awful and they should be talked about in /jp/ where the other shitty autists talk about terrible shit.

Yes I understand the animu was poorly done compared to how the novel was written.

Does that make the novel good? No. The anime wasn't amazing either other than the key scenes like Crazybitch getting crushed or the fight will Shalltear.

>>151300644
>have the MC incapable of socializing with normal people so they're left with only monsters and monster girls for friends.

Kek.

>>151298823
It is to give lonely otaku the sense of accomplishment.

This is why i fucking love dungeon meshi

>>151305430
>expecting high literature
Every single time

>>151305430
Light novels are 'light' for a reason. Honestly though you sound like a dumbass anyway

>>151305372
thats why i like Mushoku and Gunota, no levels shit... only knowledge from the other life and how to take advantage of it in the Isekai aspect.

>>151305430
>wonders why all of the Japanese writing he consumes is so shit
>when he only reads the Japanese equivalent of teenage pulp fiction
>thinks he's qualified to comment on Japanese writing culture as a whole
Wew lad.

>>151305494
They're still hot garbage though.

>>151305494
Speaking about knowledge from the other life. Didn't MT have a scene where Rudeus presents japanese cuisine (mostly rice) to his family and they all go "meh" or something? i found it funny.

>mfw we will never have a down to heart adventure in a DQ setting with a dreary atmosphere that slowly turn it into a nightmare just like 5

>>151305544
>my opinion must be fact

>>151305558
Epics aren't all that marketable nowadays.

>>151305549
>everyone thinks all the Japanese food Rudeus creates is meh
>except Bananahoshi, who starts making regular visits to their house just because they have potato chips

>>151305595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKkU7Ersm7M

>>151305588
Epics?

I find hard to believe an anime of DQ wouldn't be a huge success. Even if they try to make it kiddy friendly, japan is all over the game even going so far to make a special holiday for its release.

The whole franchise is literally made to be turned into an anime, i just don't understand why Square pursue an animation of their shitty boyband franchise instead.

>>151304812
He's 1000% right though.

There's not a single modern Isekai that's decent.

They basically took Ash vs The Army of Darkness and took out the jokes and Bruce Campbell and put in someone who just goes 'I am protag who did something once and that makes me the best'.

Isekai has been around for decades. Fortunately it was never ultra popular so when it DID happen it was fun and interesting.

Now we get it and it's utter shit because it's full of bandwagoning faggots with no talent and /a/s taste has always been shit. Overlord was no better ofc. The LN reads like verbal poo and the animu was terrible outside of the big events like Clem vs Ainz.

Isekai as a thing is good. The problem is that you are giving a 'insert X into Y and see what Z becomes' setting to a country of people who still can't get by their superstitious beliefs in cameras.

Autists are just monkeys with typewriters. 1000 monkeys and 1000 typewriters will eventually write Shakespeare so 1000 autists with 1000 pencils drawing what those monkeys are writing are eventually make something passable as entertainment.

Unless it's a LN in which case only other autists could give a fuck despite the LN being shit.

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>>151292220
>>151292817
Your posts make no sense because there is literally no uniqueness in mechanics in WOW other than some really interesting raid bosses that could look quite amazing if you turned those fights into anime.

>>151298229
>>151298357
>>151298397
>Ironic cyberpunk isekai where MC has to unironically shitpost to increase his power level
Featuring entire harem of android girls from [redacted] series!

>>151288115
Because it appeals to the Augusts that pay for the BDs by playing on their need for everything to follow systems and patterns in their wish fulfilment anime. They never go anywhere interesting with the concept because they don't have to for it to sell. There's some cool angles you could take it down, not that it'd be like high art or anything, but there'a definitely untapped potential in the genre despite there being so much of it.

>>151305828
>Augusts
Pft

>>151289439
You mean Final Fantasy?

>>151293310
>keknewal

>>151305852
Salty September detected.

>>151304585
I'll take literally anything over magicacademy highschool battle harem series

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>>151305883
>yfw isekai magicacademy highschool battle harem series

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>>151300369
>mecha isekai
I got this.

>>151305937
Literally kill me right now

>>151305952
It's shit

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>>151305961
Not even death can release you from this evil. Chances are you'll reincarnate in that exact same setting. Provided reincarnation is a thing anyway

>>151299446
Right anon, he's complaining about the well fleshed out ironworkers or stoncutters guilds being in the setting. Obviously,

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>>151304544
>But it's logical
It's only logical if you design the world like a game, the whole idea that "adventurers" or whatever class exists in large numbers in the first place is something that mainly exists in game derived media. It's a holdover from having players who need an in setting excuse to go out and do bullshit and get macguffins and loot. I can think of almost no classic fantasy, or hell even too many modern fantasy that have these sorts of ideas such as groups of people who specifically identify as adventurers or any of this horseshit. Yes there are people who go on an adventure(s) as a central plot, those that were heroic, those that sold their sword, but all of that is very different than the idea of adventurers as a specific class, profession, or any of the other RPG derived ideas like dungeon diving. getting specific tasks off a board such as "kill the rats in my basement", and the like.

Again the entire point being japs have little to no exposure to fantasy besides what they know from RPG and RPG related media, to most of them them fantasy trappings and RPG trappings are the same thing when to a western fan they are clearly very different. I really don't understand how so many people are missing this simple point so hard, have you people not read any western fantasy?

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>>151288115
>isekai with rpg mechanics is shit
>mc having cheat ability is shit

>hey, why is nobody discussing this isekai LN adaptation with RPG mechanics that is completely different from everything else, /a/?
>tons of replies in threads about Overlord, Ree: zero, that spider girl isekai, Konosuba, etc
>b-but this one is different!

>>151306832
never read the spider one but Konosuba at least stood out from me as different.

>>151306832
Grimgar is pretty good compared to the other rpg world shits

>>151303716
The point of rules is to make up for the imagination's total lack of consistency in simulating events, the human mind is good at constructing a story, not doing probability calculations or physics simulations.

>Old DnD was more about roleplaying than new DnD because it had less lore
Lol what? Old DnD was much more of a dungeon crawler pure game than "everything and the kitchen sink" new DnD. It was still close as fuck to it's wargaming routs I mean fuck almost every classic adventure module was a dungeon dive, almost every RPG mag had a chapter dedicated to dungeon building, trap crafting, riddles, and the like.

Also
>wahh, stop having fluff and splatbooks it's wrong
No one is forcing you to use them faggot, or play DnD at all.

>>151306832
Konosuba was different in the sense what both rpg and isekai were completly irrelevant. It was just shitty jap humor, and i guess some people like it. Arguing about sense of humor would be most retarded thing anyway.

I still hope what there would be well written Isekai shit since modern vs medieval and clash of completly different worldviews is something i enjoy. Too bad we only get shit like GATE and "everything is just like muh jrpg".

>>151306977
never watched it, just saw that one pic of that girls butt and that was enough for me.

>>151305492
>they are light for a reason
So they can be shit?

I mean I'm not him but I honestly don't get it, they are the worst of all worlds, unlike a real book they have hard limits on length and prose, they only have a few visuals if any, and they read like someone took a manga deleted everything but the speech bubbles and then tried to describe what used to be in that panel with a sentence or two.

All I can ask is why?

>>151307306
>All I can ask is why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8

>>151307306
So japs are just selling the script and people are actually buying it?

>>151307306
>buy cheap fan fiction from 16 year olds and set up bullshit contracts to bind them like slaves
>publish these for a few bucks and do some marketing
>do this a few hundred times
>see what gets popular and what not
>produce some cheap anime out of these since you already got the script and some visuals
>give those 16 olds some yakisoba, some pocket money and an "assistent" for 3 hours a week to feel important
>repeat this 4 times a year
>remove the less popular authors from your sweatshop collective
>earn sweet merchandise bucks
>profit

>>151298469
Wouldn't the offspring be completely retarded and sterile after the 3rd generation of that?

>>151298469
isn't he cloning himself at this point?

>>151299534
guilds are actual historical stuff

>>151297144
>it's edgy

Why do retards spout this about horror or dark fantasy and then act as if they've noticed a literary flaw?

>>151292912
Log Horizon is more like ArcheAge

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>>151305859
>implying Final Fantasy has any strictly defined mechanics or setting
FF reinvents itself every iteration. They share common elements, but it's not all pseudo-medieval sword and sorcery.

>>151293310

The manga Ragnarok was based off of had character sheets and classes that changed/leveled up through the volumes.

Are self-insert isekais so popular because of escapism or because japanese people truly believe that even some useless no-name in japanese society would be able to become outstanding in another society or reality?

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>>151288115
Cus someone needs to save those slave girls and demihuman girls

>>151312587
Its just a fucking fantasy anime.

>>151289023
Yeah. Just JRPG settings with anime cliches. I eventually got tired of Mushoku Tensei after I realized that there is a glut of better fantasy literature that still feel like RPGs.

>>151297144
>Guyz I so edgy & mature cuz I write goblinz raping heroine every five pagez! I just like Miura!

10/10 premise. Would watch.
After Re:Zero I want to see more otaku MCs denied their wish fulfillment.

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Is Chaika the hero we need?

>>151288115
What I hate about most of the rpg isekai is MC don't have any purpose or theme. They become strong just because he's cool and do nothing with that power but impressing girls and bullying some douches. There's no fucking point.

>>151298823
At least in Mushoku Tensei, MC is reborn with all his memories and is self-taught all his OP skills...at least until he hits Fitts through his shield in the Academy arc.

>>151303673
Fuck yes! One of the best shows of 2014!
FAVAROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

>>151309071
Incest is literally a meme

>want an anime that is exactly like sword art online but not sword art online

hmmm

>>151316651
/a/ Is always like that. They want x but slightly different to be better. Surprised when tons of slightly different stories come out trying to show them how to be better.

>>151317081
It's like when /v/ wanted kingdom hearts without kingdom hearts, so they got FFXV.

>>151306758
>b-but muh fantasy books written by normal human beens!
They're not the Holy Scriptures written directly by God and his prophets and "fantasy" isn't something defined by only chosen people from chosen country/race, thus appeal to "but there's no such things in the books I like" pretty much useless.

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To be Honest, i want an anime, more or less, a fantasy anime that reads like a book.

As in the characters are likably realistic to a degree
The Females aren't these "Supper stronk warriors" and aren't "Le Generic Princess in distress" type of bullshit
You got the fun snarky character that can be funny in critical situations
Young one that grows his character along with the others but, a bit slower
A setting that matches the adventure like Dieselpunk or Somewhere around a World War
and the equipment can't, CAN'T be the generic Katana or English straightsword. Gimmie one of those Spears or a gun or a club from Ethiopia anything but, those.


Character Deaths are the most important. Im sorry but, the show is just not fun if none of them die. Like one or 2 or 3 max need to die for the climax of the story to mean anything, but thats just me.

>>151290533
Underrated post

>>151317866
>I want edgy fantasy anime with guns and generic heroine #548

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>>151303673
Based MAPPA saving anime. Make way for the AOTY when season 2 airs. Such a breath of fresh air in the sea of isekai/reincarnation garbage.

I remember some people disliking it in the beginning because the MC didn't look like the typical self insert MC.

>>151307186

They've never actually played a D&D game in their lives, and you can tell.

Alternatively, >>151303716 idea of old school is 3.5.

>>151297203
Nah, the question is still "Why do people like thing?", the answer is a simple "People don't actually give a shit as long as it lets them kill some time in a half-way enjoyable way". No one gives a shit about the quality of the writing, it's all about the entertainment value.

>>151309071
MAGICAL RAPE DRUGS USED BY A MAN WITH LITERAL PLOT ARMOR

>>151317975
It's not some people, it's anyone with a brain, fuck Favaro.

>>151301117
Grimgar is fucking shit though, like, I appreciate that it didn't go full OPMC from the word go but that's about where its positives end for me. Both the books and the anime were boring as fuck.

>>151301091
I'd rather wait for Zero's and Mercenary's bizarre adventure in april than subject myself to Rokka again.

>>151319347
Explain why it's boring to you please.

>>151319347
Wasn't that the whole point of grimgar? Scrubs being scrubs and struggling even at basic things?

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>>151319456
There's a point where watching idiots fail at things starts becoming tedious. Wish they made a anime about the goblins, they were more interesting than the main crew.

>>151299612
I need a name. I wanna fall to where you are.

>>151301562
DenYuuDen was fun though it suffers from being a Kagami work.

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>>151319268
>fuck Favaro

Why? He's better than your typical self insert protagonist. And yes, it was some people. Majority of people who actually watched the show agree that him and Kaiser were the best parts of the show.

Are you mad because you couldn't self insert?

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>>151304936
Good MMOs are dead and making a guild in a random one with /a/ is only fun for so long.

>>151317844
>The japs don't base their idea of fantasy off of RPGs, because it's fantasy the japs can do whatever they want, stop complaining
Are you fucking dense? Saying the japs can choose to write their fantasy shlock whatever way they want doesn't in any way invalidate the point that many of the fucking japs think RPG derived fantasy = fantasy and it severely limits what they are able to do with it because of that.

>>151319817
What were "good MMOs"?

>>151319817
Btw, there's a new chapter of DD at Shiro translations. Iris finally got her hands on "that", whatever "that" is

>>151319705
>you don't like the screaming dumbass with a afro
>you must be mad because you couldn't self-insert
I don't give a flying fuck about self-inserting, I hated him because he was a annoying piece of shit.

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>>151320041
SASUGA IRIS-SAMA

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At least I have Zero mahou to look forward to in spring.

>>151320521
What's this about?

>>151319911
Ragnarok Online is still possibly one of the bests in my opinion. I do also like MUD MMO

>>151320886
Beastman merc goes about his day and runs into a random witch, she hires him then adventure happens.

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>>151319394
>>151320521
Is it too soon to cry 'quality'?

>>151321188
Whoa that looks amazing. Is this the same studio as Re: Zero?

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>>151321188
Too soon, that's just Zero being a goof. Hoping we don't get any "not muh Zero" shitposting when the show finally airs.

>>151321050
So is it SoL or action?

>>151321302
Fantasy adventure stuff with witch burnings and evil sorcerers.

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>>151288115
>MC wears a tracksuit

>>151306832
KonoSuba's probably justified knowing that the outsiders transported to the other world are the cause of nearly everything wrong about the world since they all get one wish (which most used on possessing some bullshit God-like weapon) and it's not out of the question at all that some stupid jackass probably used theirs to make the world to be MMO-like. I don't know about the rest, but "trapped in a video game" is a lazy copout.

>>151321297
Is this actually a guy?

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>>151321543
They're comfy and easy to wear and it's not as if they're going to get a new outfit randomly. Slav fashion is cool, okay?
>>151321651
Zero is very much a chick.

>>151288115
ITT: People mad about nothing yet again.

>>151319636

Name is I was reincarnated as a sword.

There's only one chapter of the manga out, I ended up reading the WN

>>151321711
>They're comfy and easy to wear
They look like fucking shit, the only reason the MC wears it is because the manga author is a slob and makes the character his idealistic self insert

Have some pride in yourself and dress respectable, saying "I don't care what other people think of me it's comfy :^)" is a junior high school attitude.

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>>151319636
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-was-a-sword-when-i-reincarnated/

>>151321784
Bruh, my fucks are dead, tracksuits are comfy.

>>151321819
She's way cuter in this illustration over the manga.

>>151321921
Eh, the manga art is fine for what it is. Skip the first 10 chapters of the WN if you're the guy that asked for the name, it's just tedious grinding that has no impact on anything after it.

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>>151321543
Hasn't it just been Kazuma and Subaru doing that so far though

>>151288115
>why will they not stop tapping into the flow of money from 13 year olds?
Gee whiz I don't know, maybe they want to make money?

>>151322134
Do 13-year-olds make up a big part of the sales market of anime? Somehow I doubt that.

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>>151319597
Without a doubt.

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It's standard wish fulfillment shit in the age of crappy JRPGs and MMOs. Just wait until basing everything off of Mobage 'Mechanics' is a thing. Nips just do not care about actual high fantasy.

>>151314251
>glut of better fantasy literature
Share some then?

>>151323218
>turning mobage into a story
That's impossib-
>we was mahou shoujo

>>151323296
Stuff like Terra Battle and Granblue might as well be single-player JRPGs if you ignore the gacha part.

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It's already 7 chapter, but I still laugh every time he acquiring bullshit skills out of nowhere for every small action. It's a parody on every "fantasy with rpg-like mechanics" novel/manga.

>>151323484
>*17 chapter

>>151290421
They have fucking kings and rules, they should go after those guys and not some random a sshole on the street

>>151292381
HOnestly though, it wouldn't be worse than LNs like Overlordand other stupid shit, hell it would be right at home since it has stupid bullshit like a LN

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>>151323494
The source was already given, just follow the convo.

>>151298882
What

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>MC is run over by a truck
>he is reincarnated as a newborn baby in a new fantasy world that uses RPG mechanics!
>except it is actually a fantasy version of the world in which he lived
>he goes to hunting school instead of regular school, his parents are an inn-keeper and a quest-giver
>the MC starts having fun and using his knowledge from his old world to try to navigate his way out of bullshit and towards success

>suddenly, he realizes the day in which he got run over by a truck is approaching

>>151324425
Wait so what would be running over him this time, a horse cart?
>then he arrives to a futuristic setting
>repeat ad infinitum

>>151324531
>Wait so what would be running over him this time, a horse cart?

He doesn´t know. No one knows. It could be anything. It could be a horse-cart, a single horse gone wild, a monster he knows, a monster he does NOT know...

>>151324531
>then he has to break out of the loop

>>151324604
>horse-cart
when you add the "-" it would look like there's some horse/cart hybrid somewhere ready to run over people.

>>151324606
And keeps accumulating otherworldy knowledge in the meantime, waiting for the day he'll be able to beat his destiny.

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>>151324606
>then he has to break out of the loop

>>151324425
The common truck is the reincarnator's natural enemy. It's the only opponent that consistently gets the better of them no matter how portentious their future, no matter how overpowered their abilities, no matter how yamato their damashii. Basically the pecking order is clear:

Truck > Reincarnator > God > Man

Logically the strongest entity in the multiverse is the Mammoth Car from Speed Racer

How about this:

>japanese NEET is hit by truck-kun
>is sent to a fantasy world with rpg mechanics
>gets hit by another truck-kun in the fantasy world
>series shift focus to truck-kun as new MC
>series is now about truck-kun and his killing spree against newcomers from other dimensions
>nobody really knows where he got the truck

>>151299139
FFXI is a better system and all but anyone that gets stuck in there as their character is utterly fucked. That bullshit eleventy billion debt to Naja alone is going to suck hardcore once you actually have to bother paying it. I'm still mad about her deducting (read robbing) us of the entire imperial reward and inscribing her name on my crown.

>>151325269
Cut Japanese NEET out completely

>MC is a Japanese truck
>MC's driver falls asleep at the wheel
>on route to running over loli
>MC swerves out of the way and crashes, dying
>MC reincarnated as a horse cart in RPG fantasy world
>fantasy shenanigans begin

>>151324425
>>151324531
>>151325210
>Truck-kun was his rival from the future that died and reincarnated as truck
>he pursuing MC trough all his reincarnations

>>151325685
>MC reincarnated as a horse cart in RPG fantasy world
This alone sells the story. Now, make his upgrade system and the skills he has. But make it a tad more different than vending machine-san.

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>>151323741
Well, of course, as nothing can sink deep enough to reach the LN-quality layers. But that's a bit like comparing the taste of different kind of shits: at the end of the day it's still shit.

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>>151325740
How about an normal high school MC who is suddenly trucked over and reincarnated as a truck by the great demon god, and to be reincarnated in his normal life he has to run over all the Fuuka in the world, as well as protect all high school otaku from other trucks to prevent their reincarnation in overpowered isekai heroes?
And the driver would be another dead high school otaku, healthy carrier of the Japanese Cold pathogens, in charge of contaminating everybody on the way?

>>151326186
That movie was pretty bad.
Still better than any isekai garbage.

>>151324145
>Death March
>good

>>151324145
Death March. The least relevant name in the history of names. Also, the manga is shit.
The WN is amusing, well translated, and moves at glacial pace.

>>151305458
dungeon meshi is best fantasy manga/anime Ive seen/read. Its because monsters arent just mindless exp source and everything seems real.
Also Marcilles ears are curved a bit on end witch makes them form unknown reason turn me on.

>>151322187
Why do you think sword art online is such a massive thing? Who do you think is the core audience of naruto, one piece and the likes? 13 year olds (give or take a year or two) are the prime market.

Any examples of isekai stories where they have to contend with a language barrier?

>>151327153
GATE
Re: Monster for the first few arcs

>>151327153
It's gookshit:
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/regarding-the-story-of-my-wife-medusa/
I guess this counts too:
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/your-and-my-asylum/
but not nearly as much as the medusa one.

>>151327146
SAO was the first of its kind. That is being super well animated.