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Zamasu

>>151245364
Toriyama’s involvement in the anime and manga:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

>Anime Involvement:
I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be. Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

>Manga:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>It sounds like you have a pretty close working relationship with Akira Toriyama. He gives you the outline and you make changes. What is the most interesting thing about working with him?

Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking
-Toyotaro

>>151245514
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/10/14/shueisha-establishes-new-dragon-ball-room-initiative-support-future-content/
>Shueisha Establishes “Dragon Ball Room” to Expand and Optimize Content
Shueisha revealed that it had newly established a “Dragon Ball Room” on June 21st of this year. Its goal is to break down barriers between departments to expand and optimize the globally popular Dragon Ball franchise.
The announcement was made at Shueisha’s new publication planning presentation held in Tokyo on the 12th. Although the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized. Iyoku says that, “in practical terms you can think of it as handling both the rights and editing. It’s a new experiment to have a department that only thinks about Dragon Ball.”
Akira Toriyama, the original author, commented that, “I was wanting to keep this old series alive and kicking even in the modern day with help from Shueisha’s excellent staff, so for me this team is dependable and a real godsend. It’d really be great if this way I won’t have to do anything!!!!”

>Messages from Toriyama:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/09/30/dragon-ball-xenoverse-2-collectors-edition-to-include-bonus-toyotaro-manga/

I’ve been drawing manga less often these days, so Toyotaro has has taken up the mantle of drawing Dragon Ball. I still contribute the basic ideas, but Toyotaro’s wonderful skills allow the Dragon Ball universe to be brought back to life in the present.

>>151245364
https://youtu.be/HM20wwzl4Ds

>>151245554
>More Manga Interview Information:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
Toriyama: That’s right.

Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-2-toyotaro-sensei-super-anatomy/

>What’s your process working with Toriyama-sensei?!
I draw a rough draft based on Toriyama-sensei‘s original story, then I send it to my editor, who gets sensei to check it. It’s an honor to be able to give concrete form to sensei‘s ideas, but sometimes sensei will send over a part he drew himself, which sends me into an uproar, going back and forth between being all hyped up and feeling really down in the dumps.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/11/30/dragon-ball-super-manga-collected-edition-vol-2-cover-art-toyotaro-comment/

Since it’s Akira Toriyama-sensei doing the original story, the manga has a slightly different approach than the TV anime, which results in a different kind of production. I hope you all enjoy that aspect of it for volume 2!! And I hope you keep reading!!

>>151245903
Thanks anon. I almost forget all of that.

>>151245622
Why does Cell not have a mouth

>>151245999
You're welcome, hopefully this will help keep the shitposting at a minimum and we can enjoy both mediums.

>>151246091
Probably because animating individual mouth movements was beyond their budget/patience/ability

I wonder if this is the last arc. Dont know what they could do if all the other universes are destoryed unless something interupts the tournament and stops Zeno from destroying all the losing universes.

>>151246200
I doubt it. They're gonna be pushing out Dragon Ball content for awhile since they're making so much money

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Got some Super questions

so im part way through Zamasu arc, and he just explained how he swapped bodies with Goku and killed him

Goku doesn't exist in the Future Trunks timeline, and Zamasu doesn't exist in the prime timeline. So how the hell did he accomplish this feat? Is it yet another timeline? So now we have Prime, Future Trunks, Future Cell, and Zamasu timelines?

And along the same lines, the spare time machine is from the Future Cell timeline, where he successfully killed Future Trunks and stole it. Yet it returns Future Trunks to his own timeline. What's the deal?

Also, Buu never awakened in Future Trunks' timeline because the Androids' killoff of Earth's population meant a ki shortage. With Zamasu and Black running around, wouldn't there be more than enough energy to open Buu's sealed ball?

DB time travel hurts my brain

>>151246091
You gotta admit compared to basically any other live action anime adaptation it is probably the best.

>>151246453
Yes it's another timeline.

>And along the same lines, the spare time machine is from the Future Cell timeline, where he successfully killed Future Trunks and stole it. Yet it returns Future Trunks to his own timeline. What's the deal?
You're supposed to assume Trunks knows exactly how to get to his own timeline.

>Also, Buu never awakened in Future Trunks' timeline because the Androids' killoff of Earth's population meant a ki shortage. With Zamasu and Black running around, wouldn't there be more than enough energy to open Buu's sealed ball?
Did you forget? Trunks and Supreme Kai killed Dabura and Babidi. They showed up on Earth much later in Trunks' timeline because they had to scour the universe for energy.

DB time travel isn't confusing. Each trip through time creates a new timeline. Toei just fucked it up and mixed timeline theories.

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CUTE

>>151246596
The future Trunks that came back was different than the one that left. When Cell stole the machine and went back it created another new timeline, where Cell didn't exist in the future because he went back in time and died. Our current future Trunks is from that timeline.

>>151246674
Please don't post this non canon crap anon

>>151246596
>They showed up on Earth much later in Trunks' timeline because they had to scour the universe for energy.
also in the main timeline what drew them to earth faster is cause of the large amount of power gohan and cell dished out in their fight.

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Will my man Gohan ever rise to prominance?

>>151246702
No he isn't. The Trunks from that timeline was killed by Cell. This is the same Trunks from the Cell arc.

>>151246596
>each trip through time creates a new timeline
That's not how it works you moron. Or else Gowasu at the end would've seen 10,000 new time rings.

A new timeline was created when Beerus killed Zamasu due to him
having a time ring.

>>151245514
>>151245554
>>151245903

>This autism every thread

You know, just because the anime is bad doesn't mean the manga isn't. Toei has done a lot of shit wrong, but the manga shares some of the fundamental problems of super with it, in addition to the new ones it brings to the table.

>>151246781
Judging by his video titles he's a huge fucking autist and everyone trying to do in-depth analyses of Dragon Ball for youtube needs to kill themselves. That scum-sucker MasakoX gets a life pass for his TAS work, barely.

>>151246762
Thats what Im saying. When the Trunks that warned Goku of the androids left Cell killed him. The Trunks that came back from a differnt timeline.

>>151246761
He'll get his time to shine in the universal tournament. That is if he doesn't just get taken out instantly by whoever the arc's villain is

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>>151246870
Its worse than you think.

>>151246801
You're an idiot who clearly can't read. When you go to a new time period in the past, you create a new timeline. This has been explained in the Cell arc you idiot.
Trunks is the reason why Goku doesn't get body jacked by Black in this timeline. He created a new timeline when he went back
Whis saying Beerus created the timeline is a Toei fuckup, which they themselves contradict when they say Trunks caused it on their graph

>mentioning lack of time rings
You idiot, that doesn't prove your point, because it's already missing an extra timeline that was confirmed to exist in the Cell arc

>>151246806
>"quoting the authors directly is autism! xD"

>>151246895
The Trunks that came the second time trained with Vegeta in the time chamber so when he went back already knowing about Cell he was nothing. but the first Trunks didn't so he was no match for Cell.

>>151246916
God damn, that's some Ulillillia level of assburgers.

>>151246895
No it's the same one. The one Cell killed already defeated the Androids. The Trunks who talks to Goku hasn't defeated them.
Your theory would have Trunks come back, warn Goku about the androids he can't beat, then return to the future and suddenly defeat the Androids.

>>151247021
>Your theory would have Trunks come back, warn Goku about the androids he can't beat, then return to the future and suddenly defeat the Androids.
That was the implication, yes.
It is thought in his timeline, he learned how to defeat the androids in the past, then went to the future and used that knowledge to kill them. He was killed before he returned to report his success.

That said, the fact that cell causes the first timeline split kind of shits on that because all timelines outside the main FT one include his dormancy and therefore his appearance later, but let's not even try to pretend the cell saga's plot is airtight.

>>151247185
>It is thought in his timeline, he learned how to defeat the androids in the past, then went to the future and used that knowledge to kill them. He was killed before he returned to report his success.
But that's just it, he didn't figure out anything. He killed Freeza, gave Goku medicine and went back to refuel then jumped to the 19 and 20 battle. Not to mention the Trunks Cell kills is 3 years older.

And like you said, we never saw Original Trunks outside of him being killed. The first Trunks we see is already an alternate Trunks created by Cell messing with time

>>151246761
Gohan will punk out like a bitch, just like he did with Cell, Buu and Freeza. He then will have to bailed out by his father, Vegeta, or Piccolo again.

>>151246716
>being in denial about kissless non-virgin Goku

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>This is the first time Goku and Android 17 meet

>Android 17 just tries to straight up shoot him when they meet

>Goku actually defends it and then they have a laugh because 17 says it was worth a shot

>Piccolo or Vegeta go if he'd tried it before they fought Frieza again it probably would have worked

>>151246922
The time travel doesn't make sense if you take it in context with the Android Saga, the logic went that you could only go back to your future you came from
if you time traveled by using the same time machine, but that got totally fucked since Black blew up Trunk's time machine and Bulma brought out the one Cell used

I'm honestly not sure if it makes any sense at all

>>151247021
No listen carefully this is where it gets confusing. The Trunks that meets Goku goes back and defeats the Androids. It's never explained how he managed it except that the original timeline androids were much weaker. They say Trunks was on his way back to tell them how to defeat the androids when Cell got them meaning the androids hadn't been awakened yet in the main timeline. That Trunks never even met the Main timeline androids. When Cell killed Trunks and took the time machine he created a timeline with no Trunks Cell or Androids so this timeline is now totally irrelevant.

Now when Trunks came back to help with the androids the second time he was coming from a timeline where he didn't kill the future droids yet, which means Cell hadn't considered needing a time machine.There was no reason for that Cell to attack Trunks yet which is why he could come back. Sadly the very first timeline had no returning Trunks, so Cell wins. that is what this fanfic is with Kid Trunks from the main timeline.>>151245622

Basically in the first timeline everyone dies but we stopped being in that timeline when Trunks came back again. Basically the moment Trunks returns we are in a new timeline and it branches from there to

1. a timeline where everyone dies and cell goes to the past.

A timeline where the z fighters defeat Cell with the help of trunks

And the one where Trunks never comes back and Perfect Cell wins the tourny before leaving into space to probably die to Beerus somewhere.

Fuckiing time travel man

>>151247471
Blame Toei, they added in Cell ship. In the manga, Trunks says he kept the settings at the same time he always had them on, that way he was guaranteed to go to the same timeline

>>151247293
I think the implication is the unseen timeline's trunks did go back, and killed the androids in the past along with the Z fighters. Cell never showed up. Then he went to the future, killed his own versions, and was killed by cell.

I'm aware why this interpretation creates contradictions, but it's the one that works best for me.

>And like you said, we never saw Original Trunks outside of him being killed. The first Trunks we see is already an alternate Trunks created by Cell messing with time

No, the F.trunks we meet is from the original timeline. Cell never appeared in his timeline's past and his androids were weaker supposedly because cell wasn't in it.
The Unseen trunks is honestly a huge problem that doesn't really work right unless he's from the original timeline as well. I like to think cell going back created a time paradox in FT's original timeline which causes the unseen trunks, because he just doesn't work as a separate timeline's character.

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>>151247471
>The time travel doesn't make sense if you take it in context with the Android Saga, the logic went that you could only go back to your future you came from if you time traveled by using the same time machine
He can use any time machine to go back to his own timeline, as long as he uses the same settings.

>>151247520
That was in the manga, stop blaming everything on Toei. Toriyama is a hack too.

>>151247576
No it wasn't. Cell's time machine wasn't used or mentioned at all in the DBS manga. It was an addition by Toei to reference more of the past.

>>151247623
Oh, my bad, I thought you meant something else.

>>151247531
No it says in the series Trunks whole point in coming back was to tell them he found a way to beat the androids before Cell stopped that Trunks

>>151247623
>It was an addition by Toei to reference more of the past.
More like Toyo cut it out because he's a slow shit, it just happened to work in his favor.

>>151247569
Oh yeah? So then do the amounts of timelines with the time rings make sense? At least it sounded like to me that Super was inplying Trunks only made one or two new timelines when it's supposed to be 3 new timelines and the one we're in now.

>>151247490
Don't forget a timeline where Trunks goes to the future and kills Cell and the Androids and Then Zamasu gets the whole univers wrecked.

>>151247490
Ohhh that makes sense. I forgot that there's a timeline where Cell has the Cell games and wins because of no Trunks
This makes it seem like the heroes were fucked without Trunks. I guess in that timeline Vegeta and crew killed 19 and 20 and just went home. Cell then goes to the lab, absorbs the sleeping Androids, then hosts a tournament

Now this is the question: Why didn't Goku and Gohan's training work in this timeline?

>>151247709
The Cell time machine thing is pure padding and isn't needed for the story at all.

>>151247789
Neither is playing Mario Kart.

>>151247713
The oldest time ring was from someone other than Trunks traveling through time. Looks like they completely ignored Cell's timeline, even though supplemental work by Toyo released explaining multiple Trunks.

>>151247520
by that logic his time machine can also travel across different timelines at will, if you have the 'right settings'

What humanoid/not giant DB character has the biggest dick?

>>151247789
damn >>151247835 has a point

>>151247709
>More like Toyo cut it out because he's a slow shit
How is he slow? He's already drawing the new arc and sending it to Toei. The manga is only behind because Vjump is monthly

>>151247927
No he doesn't. Mario Kart was like 2-3 pages max.
Such a poor excuse from Toeishills

>>151247922
Hey anon, read the pic in >>151247569

>>151247923
Baby

>>151247990
Having them destroy the machine and pull out a new one could have been told in about as much space.

>>151247835
It was fun padding at least. He also needs to add some fun stuff since Toriyama probably asks him to, as he seems to care more about gags than about the serious parts. Toyotaro is not competing with the anime to get ahead of it anyway.

>>151248063
That's the point you idiot. The Cell time machine wasn't in Tori's outline. It was added in by Toei.

>>151248117
Not really, it could easily have been cut because then there's be no space for mario kart.

>>151248178
You're an idiot who's contradicting himself

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>>151247923
Goku Blacked

>>151247771
The Cell that wins the Tourney is another future Cell. Its just in the timeline where he wins Trunks never came back. The zfighters had their hands full with Androids not knowing where the lab was from future Trunks and everyone was easy pickings to be ambushed by Cell if he wanted.

The reason Trunks not being there makes Cell win the most is that his snipe when he gets back kills someone else like Vegeta or Gohan.

>>151248178
Except Toyo doesn't cut story details from Toriyama. Hence why we have SS Black before Rose when Toei just skipped it and went straight to Rose.

>>151248190
You're assuming that just because they added some filler they would have added ALL filler.

>>151248229
Toyo cut out whole arcs, buddy. Assuming anything in the manga must have been toriyama's idea is some laughable confirmation bias.

>>151248217
In that Live action they have Tenshinhan being killed during his Kiko attack on 2nd stage Cell, but he is perfect because Piccolo Vegeta and Krillin couldnt stall him from 18 without Trunks.

>>151248290
Now I know you're retarded.
Welp, thread's been invaded by idiots

>>151248290
He made three chapters for RoF though.
But honestly, I think he did well when he decided to not waste his time with RoF, since there's already the movie with the script written by Toriyama.

>>151248385
Keep in mind this Piccolo never fused with Kami and this Vegeta never got SS2

>>151245417
>those gross bleached-out orange brick colors

Every time. Disgusting.

>>151248203
Goku Black is not a "big guy".
The GoD of Universe 4 is the token "Big Guy"

>>151248646
Gokamasu was big

>>151248676
>Gokamsu
Basically translates to cum drinking crossdressing

>>151246970
Every thread?

Can someone explain to me why people assume Toyo has to rush things in one chapter to supposedly be ahead of the anime? It seems like they're not understanding what Toyotaro meant.

Toyotaro has already drawn the next arc and handed it to Toei so that they can follow based on his work. Toyo can basically continue on with his manga as so, only this time, when he reaches the new arc, it'll be on point with the anime since it's HIS work. The Black arc doesn't have to end in one chapter.

>>151245417
is a cuck

>>151248908
if it keeps the shit posters away then yes.

>>151248926
Toriyama has already written parts of the multiverse tournament. But we have a Hit filler arc from Toei first.

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>>151249050
Hit a cool dude.

>>151248926
Some people seem to think it's a competition between Toei and Toyotaro.

They also don't understand the difference between production schedule and publication schedule.

>>151249126
not anymore he isn't. He is a joke in the anime now with his "Forbidden Assassination no Jutsu! xD" tier asspulls.

>>151249126
Goku is effortlessly killed in a filler arc

I mean it's not like its anything new but I don't know how anyone can hope to fight that nigga based off that.

>>151249126
The last episode kind of ruined him. That invulnerability power is garbage.

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>>151249176
>>151249177
>>151249191
*teleports in front of you*

I have come here to kill you.

* *raises fist *

Time to get to work, kid....

People think Zen-oh is going to destroy all the losing universes.

I'm calling it right now. Goku says that wouldn't be a very nice thing to do Zen-chan they all have friends just like you. Oh I see you sure are smart Goku. *Everyone from 7 winces at Goku being called smart*

>>151249286
This is why I don't like Zen-oh. He is too quick to blow up entire universes full of people. What kind of God would make a tournament as retarded as that?

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>>151249373
Zen-oh is literally a kid given unparalleled power. If you were a kid, and had that boundless power, you'd do stupid shit for funzies too.

>>151249373
This is the same god that didn't care that some mortal broke his jurisdiction by time traveling and bringing another version of himself into his timeline.

Also, he didn't care that his gods and angels were being massacred/deactivated across the universes in the future. Fuck Zeno.

>>151249454
Zen-oh willl never become a villain. First off nothing could possibly stop him. And second he has already fallen for the mystical charm of Goku and will let him get away with anything now just like Beerus.

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Should I read that dragon ball multiverse fanfiction comic shit or is it a meme?

>>151249506
Here is my headcanon final super boss
Fat Buu goes evil and absorbs Uub becoing full on Majin again. Beerus casually obliterates him not realizing his monumental fuck up. Buu goes to the afterworld now even more immortal and absorbs all the Kais killing Beerus. Then he fins the time rings and uses them to travel to every time and absorb everyone. Before finally absorbing even Zen-oh, because we find out Zen-oh can destroy everything but is frail and Buu gets the drop on him. But Buu decides not to destroy all the universes because that would be boring and there is no food. And he starts traveling all the universe absorbing people and eating candy until they use the Super Dragon balls to trap Buu in the universe he is in and seal it, and to take the Kai's out of Buu which brings Beerus back then the second Zen-oh destroys that universe.

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>>151249600
Bra is /ourslut/.

>>151249816
sauce

>HIT, YOUR TIME SKIP WONT WORK ON ME AGAIN

>That thing that I couldn't deal with last time you used on me, and I still haven't developed a real counter to, and you're basically just as strong as me regardless won't work again.

Goku is kinda stupid. Just because your power level increased doesn't mean you've grown immune to things, Hit's method of attack is an instance of this. Unless you develop a counter to it decisively you aren't going to overcome it, and simply powering up isn't a counter

Kaio Ken isn't a counter, Hit isn't going to let Goku power up next time around and use it.

Although unlucky for Goku Hit turned out to have two more tricks up his sleeve, and finally used those Assassin techniques he claimed to have at the end of their original fight that he wasn't allowed to use since they're too deadly

Seems that all of his attacks have to do with time; skip, fast forward, etc. It looked like he disappeared from time for a moment when Goku couldn't punch him, and then reappeared a few seconds later.

Although it sounds like so far in the arc that Goku or Whis were the ones who hired Hit in the first place, so they could finally have their all out fight.

>>151249915
>Filler
Who cares?

>>151249915
I think the final anti Hit strategy will be release rapid pulse destruction fields in all directions

>>151245514
>>151245554
>Muh Manga
>I'll sperg out about the anime every thread BECAUSE I HATE IT SO MUCH, IT ISN'T CANON, ONLY THE MANGA ONLY THE MANGA ONLY THE MANGA ONLY IT IS CANON AND NOTHING ELSE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY THE MANGA I AM AUTISTIC

I used to read the manga, I now hate it solely because of you.

>>151249981
>allowing /a/ to cloud your judgement and enjoyment over a manga
Anon..

>>151249950
Calling it right now. Hit can't get thought to attack Goku. He's like impressive, but you still can't hit me this way. But Goku is zoning him to instant transmission behind him the instant his time is up.

>>151249981
>hating something because of some autists on /a/
Don't be a retard, anon.

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>Leave the universal tournament to me, papa

>>151250143
Oh even better Goku time the instant transmission to the exact moment hit used his ability so to hit it looks like Goku has vanished completely in the timestop effect and he has no idea where Goku will apear. I should be writing this shit not Toyo.

>>151249506
>the mystical charm of Goku

is that goku's real super power?

>>151250546
Yes the Kais talk about it all the time. Goku is strong because he had great trainers who usually would never train anyone but they just liked Goku so damn much they had to do it.

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>>151250232
Don't worry, I'll back her up, Gokuuuu
The Gatchans are pretty strong too.

>>151250584
And then Goku drops them like used sweat rags and moves on to the next Sensei.

>>151250826
he visits roshi and king kai all the time

>>151249981
the only autist here is you dipshit.

>>151250886
He never visits Roshi and he just uses Kaio-sama for food and a place free of living things Because Goku won't bring them back to completely trash.

>>151250826
Think Whis' dad will be his next sensei?

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>>151251396
Ok this is the last fanfic theory. But maybe Whis dad will teach Goku the 3 minutes back move to beat Hit.

>>151249451
>No replies
Funny how that works, huh?

why didnt they just hunt down future universe 10's god of destruction and kill him instead of going after immortal zamasu?

>>151252313
Because he died when Gowasu was killed, stupid.

>>151252313
Why would they kill an innocent god of destruction for no reason?

Whis and Vados mother must be tall as fuck to balance that out. Wonder if we'll meet her.

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>>151252508
So this nigga right here is the true omni king right?

>>151252623
>>151251635
The new title card gives the impression that he's the next antagonist.

And no, zeno is the real omni king. He's already proven himself as such. Angels are powerful beings, no doubt though.

>>151252623
They said he was one of 5 beings including Zen-oh with the power to freely opperate on a multiverse level. Maybe all 5 are actually one. He did seem to know how Zen-oh would react to Goku while everyone was panicking

>>151252710
Goku is literally brain damaged and probably the only pure soul in the universe.

He's less a person and more an element at this point.

>>151252774
5 beings though, Zen-oh+Zeno Guardsx2+ Whis dad+Whis mom=Omni-King.

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>>151252710
>>151252697
I don't know fellas I think it might be a decoy
That grand priest seems the kind of guy who could fuck things up sideways if he wanted to, think of Aizen

Also since there are two Omni Kings now how the fuck is that supposed to work out? Like, two omnipotent beings that should watch over the same universe? Imagine if they had to disagree on something, it would be like Beerus vs Champa on a multiversal level, this is why I'm betting on the omni king being the grand niggapriest, he seems chill, powerful and more "royal" than that purple things which resembles a character from Pucca

>he thinks the omniking is 'watching over' the universe
You're joking, I hope.

>>151252877
He does seem pretty confident that Zen-oh wont do anything to him.

>>151252950
If the Omni-king is a collection of beings. It would make sense that Zen-oh is the aspect of destruction so someone has to the aspect of creation.

>>151252859
dragonball has never been that convoluted before and there's no reason to believe it suddenly is that convoluted.

The omni king is the omni king. Meaning Zeno. Fullstop. For now, he's the biggest dick badass mofo in the multiverse until 5 years from now Goku needs to fight something even Zeno fears.

>>151253075
No im gonna make it more convaluted. 5 Beings combine to make the omni king. 5 SSG combine to form the Omni-saiyan. Series ends with the 5 Saiyans ruling all universes.

>>151253051
The notion that the singular all powerful being is somehow a caretaker of something he both creates, destroys, and reshapes at will is laughable.

As if somehow zeno gives half a shit what happens in the universe he inhabits is sourced from nothing and the opposite directly illustrated in future trunks timeline.

Zeno spends his time just sitting on his throne babbling incoherent jibberish with those two dickheads eternally standing next to him. If something does interest him, it is brought before him with the haste only a God with its own divine purpose can meet.

And then Zeno returns to sitting on the throne wiggling its feet and making indistinct noises.

>>151253075
So far the only thing I can think of that could be stronger than zeno are concepts in itself
Like death, or life, imagine a "concept" encased in a being, would could truly be unstoppable.
Maybe "existence" which could be the will of the whole fucking everything with a body, capable of fighting idk
i'm just sperging shit it's 7am

>>151253186
Goku fights the concept of death?

Sounds GT to me.

>>151253158
I have yet to see him create anything. I think that alone is enough to suggest he can't. If he could he'd have just made a friend.

>>151252950
Well he has to have some kind of purpose.

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>>151253219
>he'd have just made a friend
What do you think Goku is?

>>151253246
>everything must have a purpose
The bleak realization of existence is that we have no purpose. We just are. And that's sufficient. Zeno simply is. Probably as a means to facilitate the next big deal multiverse tournament as the impartial judge to make it feel like a big deal.

>>151253246
Shonens like Yin/Yang
Yin Vegeta Yang Goku
Yin Whis Yang Beerus
Yin Zen-oh Yang ???

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>>151253304
Yin Zen-oh Yang Champa

>>151253304
>everything is possible to boil down to a coin flip

>people can't grasp the concept of hit and miss

There's life. And everything that isn't life. Which includes death, but is not directly related in opposition to life. Just another state that is not life.

Instead of flipping a coin. Imagine a needle touching a woodblock. The point is the one thing. And then there's everything that isn't that point.

>>151253368
Thats more like Yin Beerus Yang Champa

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could it be that the multiverse tournament is not in the usual way but it's more in the fashion of "grand priest vs everything?"

like, "come at me niggas, the first who can touch me gets made into a god" or some shit, considering that if goku is a 1 whis is a 10 and the grand priest should be 50-100 (retarded numbers I know, but that's what it seems like when we take into consideration what has been said in the show so far)

>>151253379
Its not a coin flip its a balancing act

>>151253391
The multiverse tourney is an excuse to find the next grand priest.

Because the current one wants to retire.

>is he getting old?
No, he just wants to watch godtube and chill after 50,000 years of dedicated service.

Although they did explain that the grand priest is some great warrior. Which implies there was some battle that needed to be fought on his scale. Which means there could be beings as powerful as the omniking, but they're not gods and they're not as petty as zamasu.

>>151253421
My point was that there's more than the binary opposition of elements/states. Life has a whole host of components related to it. Death as well. It's not Life and Death that people interact with. It's the flux between the two. And neither themselves are all that paramount in the grand scheme of things.

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>>151253462
>Tfw Vegeta becomes the Grand Priest because Goku doesn't have the knowledge or temperament.

>>151253462
>
I don't know, the lore could expand into fuckery very easily but they are holding on a lot of things

like what the fuck is up with "angels"
the dragon god
that guy who knew everything
how is hit so "strong"
why did beerus respect freezer when he was pissweak (except that he could destroy planets but at this point...)
why is the zen-oh like that and his story
why are there exactly 12/14 universes (there used to be more if you remember)

and much more shit we don't know yet

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>>151253387
No, No.
Yin Zen-oh Yang Champa.

>>151253615
>implying Vegeta doesn't get rekt by SSG Cabba and Goku doesn't jump out of the ring because he doesn't want to stand around watching zeno lick its toes for eternity.

>>151253509
Thats right thats why I didn't just Lump Beerus as yin with Zen-oh because destruction is yin.
Beerus makes all the decisions he is Yang to Whis yin

>>151253649
That doesn't balance anon Champa is a lesser force than Zen-oh

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>>151253699
Not when it comes to good times Anon. Champa has already organized a tournament and a game of baseball more than enough to compete with Zen-oh.

>>151253639
>lore could expand
And probably will. For wholly insufficient reasons. And a necessary.

It truly does boil down to 'who can Goku fight next and still be fun for readers?'

It's an endless loop of Goku, Villian, Arbiter of Rules. The more memorable fights are where the villian makes the rules.

>>151253753
>Champa wanted the baseball episode
Pretty decent guy, all things considered. One of the better episodes all series.

>>151253219
He made the button.

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>>151253753
Alright I see what you did there

>>151253639
>how is hit so "strong"
Literally said he's 1000 years old.

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>>151253803
Champa might be spiteful and angry sometimes but overall he is just a silly, lovable fat cat who loves food, his negative character traits seem to be pushed on by Vados who constantly bullies him for his weight and belittles him whenever he tries to joke around.

>>151253881
Vados is perfect so she's probably right and I have faith in that.

>>151253881
He was still going to destroy the U6 fighters for losing.

>>151253881
Yin has the control in that relationship.

>>151254046
I guess that means Yin Champa and Vados Yang Whis and Beerus.
I love all the little nuances of yin/yang good to see some other anons get it.

>>151254007
That was just a minor temper tantrum.

>you're a part time sushi chef and Vados appears in your diner
What's your pickup line?

>>151254256
M-M'lady, w-welcome

>>151254256
*tips keytana*
>>151254333
*teleports behind her*
*slides chair under her*
And what can this sir do for you today?

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>mfw kek mod gets triggered by the other thread

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>>151254379
>there is actually a result for keytana
I threw up a little.

>>151254256
"Marry me" as I hand her a bowl of eggs.

>I can't believe goku is dead!
>shows him alive in the previews

I fucking hate next episode previews in super

>>151254677
I feel like Toei's editing team just chops up random pieces of the next episode and throws them into the preview and then narrates over that.

>>151254733
>that episode where Zamasu finally fuses
>shows it in the previews
>it's the very last bit of that episode

>>151254446
what thread?

>>151254789
>the episodes before Vegito Blue happened
>shows Vegito Blue in a preview

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What's the point of death in this show anyways?
They have various version of dragon balls, and they are friends with gods and the fucking omni-king.

Why would Goku's """"death"""" be a plot twist?

>>151254867
It still sucked for them to see him dead.

>>151254677
Yeah that was dumb. It's like I guess thats not going to be any plot point. He probably didn't even actually die.

>>151254867
Because people were hoping Goku would stay dead for awhile and let some other characters shine.

>>151254972
This.

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>>151254972
t. gohanfaggot

>>151255036
Its not even about Gohan. Its about Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, and any other character who isn't Goku. I get that Goku is the main character and everything but he shouldn't be the only character who gets to do anything.

>>151255084
I'd really love to see Buu or Gotenks or even 18 get a good fight.

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Why didn't you wish me back, Vageta?
Why didn't you wish any of your people back to life?

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>>151255084
>Its not even about Gohan
>lists Gohan
nice try try gohanfag

>>151255125
>I'M THE PRINCE OF THE SAIYANS
>lol fuck bringing my race back

>>151255125
They were evil at their very core and by the time Vegeta was good enough to consider ever helping someone he was too good to bring those dicks back

>>151255143
I don't even want to see Gohan fight now. I've accepted that he didn't get the battle lust gene and enjoys scholarly pursuits and his family now.

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>>151255125
>bringing more mindless battle lusting monkeys that will fuck up the universe even more
two is enough as it is.

>>151255229
Beerus considered Frieza good at picking which planets to destroy and said he was gonna wipe the saiyans out sooner or latter anyway.

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>>151255208
>I don't even want to see Gohan fight now.
>ironically lists wanting gohan to fight in his post here >>151255084
you're not fooling anyone here gohanfag

>>151255324
Different people anon this was me>>151255115
>>151255208
>>151255275

>>151255372
I'll add that It would be good to see Trunks and Goten get somewhat useful without having to be Gotenks.

>>151254450
>its a black girl name

I can see that

>>151246547
Nope.

>>151252623
How the fuck are they going to beat this motherfucker? He's the strongest in the multiverse next to Zeno. Meanwhile Goku and Vegeta can't even beat Beerus, can't even land hits on Whis, so how the fuck could they even get near Whis' dad?

>>151255993
Of course they are going to get a massive asspull boost either from Whis/Vados themselves (when the Gran Priest turns evil) or from Zeno, considering Goku is his friend and he secretly wants him to win

>>151255993
And I think the fact we haven't seen their mom yet means she is more powerful. They got the height from clearly.

>>151256025
It better be temporary or else the EoZ really makes no sense. Uub is completely irrelevant now

>>151246761
He'll show up and reveal his super cyan to give Vegeta a run for his money in the jobbing department.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGFW4japOoI

>>151256092
>>151256242
I still hold out hope Buu might eat him. Make Buu great again.

>>151256335
>Buu absorbs Beerus
>Cell absorbs the grand priest

My fetish

>>151256423
>Buu absorbs Bulma to become Buulma
My fetish.

>>151256472
Mine is when Buu absorbs Frieza to become Briezu

>>151256472
>Buu absorbs Mr. Satan
>hes now basically invincible, dodging attacks stronger than him in a comical/cartoony way and strikes back in the same way
Make it happen

>>151256092
They can just go "he has Freeza-like potential".

>>151252313
Zamasu was using an earring from Black's timeline, so I don't think there was a replacement God of Destruction in Trunks' timeline.

>>151256602
That works for their current level, but no amount of potential would make him go to Grand Priest level. Even Golden Freeza is a chump to Goku and Vegeta now

>>151256521
I llike when Buu absorbs Broly and Bobidi to become Brobudibliu

>>151256663
I like when Buu absorbs Buu from an alternate timeline that is also another dimension inside another timeline to become BuuBuu

>>151256720
I like when Buu absorbs Uub to become Buuuub

>>151256872
>Buuuub
>not Boob

>>151249600
It's pretty okay. Like it's got some fun stuff.

>>151256929
but that's when buu adsorbs chichi thou

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>>151257006
>Implying Buu would absorb that hag

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Did you notice how the super saiyan blue aura sound effect was sped up to sound more like when goku was a super saiyan god? I feel like it made the scene better, it felt a bit more tense, especially knowing that Goku knows his life is in danger.

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Dragon Ball Z by Tyson Mike

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French

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/pol/ approved

>>151255275
Frieza is the god of destruction the universe deserves

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hey, let's talk about pre-Z Dragon Ball

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What was your favorite arc on the original Dragon Ball? I liked the Red Ribbon Army saga

>>151258231
I would love to see a Path of Power sequel based around Tenkaichi Budokai shenanigans and finally Piccolo Daimao and Junior.

>>151258258
Red Ribbon would be my personal favorite, followed by the 21st tournament arc, then Daimao.

>>151258258
I want to FUCK Bulma!

Best OPs coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE64BL3surg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR46WbmYFyQ

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>>151259091

>>151259104
STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR

>>151249600
It's like if DC did DB, the powerlevels are too strict and are taken too seriuosly.

>>151253615
Piccolo would be the best grand priest desu

Anyone have that drawfag parody of the Simpsons softball team?

>>151246916
it's true though, arale runs on gag logic and she is as strong as the plot demands. and as long as it is funny she will win.

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>>151259605

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>>151259759
>this will never be finished

>>151251635
>>151252697
>The new title card gives the impression that he's the next antagonist.
>angel rebels against god

You just know it's gonna happen, if not him then another angel.

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>>151245364
trailer time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H567uuR0y8Q

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>>151261112

Reminder that the Manga is shit and ruined BLACK

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>>151261152
3/3

Are the 12 angels offspring of the Grand Priest?

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>>151261187
Why are Blackfags such cry babies? You'll get your revenge and SSR form next chapter. We have concept art of him by TA himself.

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>>151261187
Reminder the anime is shit and all villains are Freeza but worst

>>151258258

In the anime, probably the Daimao arc. The manga version loses points since basically only Goku gets to fight. For the manga, 23rd Budokai.

>>151261297
reminder that even if you have a valid point if you screenshot broken english no one will read it.

>>151261320
>implying I would take the trouble of correct already readable screenshots

>>151255162
>They were evil at their very core
Were they? It seems like they were just a primitive culture that was handed advanced tech by an intergalactic gangster.
If Vegeta, with all the power he has now, were to wish the saiyans back to life and rule them with the lessons he's learned from his time with humans and other species, they could probably be molded into a force for good. Like TNG-era Klingons.

>>151253186
I believe they call that the spirit bomb

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>>151259285
Wait power levels actually matter? Guess I'll be reading it then.

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Be completely honest /a/
Do you like or dislike the homages done by Toyotaro to Toriyama?
For me it I love it because this is the ultimate form of fan service. Some say it's unoriginal but Toriyama used to mimic and rhyme his characters himself. This is just following suit in the same fashion that's very Dragon Ball-like.

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Why didn't you protect me /a/?

>>151262269
I wouldn't even notice if autist on /a/ didn't point it out for me.

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>>151262450
you don't have to be an autist to be a hardcore DB fan that can point out iconic panels.

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>>151262269
>>151262524

>Full power ssj2 Trunks is slightly stronger than ssj3 Goku
>Trunk says that Black is much stronger than him (so Black is much stronger than ssj3 Goku). We know he is talking about base form Black since he later says he hasn't seen Black go ssj in a while.
>While Vegeta and Black fight, Trunks says Black has gotten even stronger, so the gap between them has grown (meaning the gap between base Black and ssj3 Goku is larger as well).
>Ssj Vegeta clearly had the upper hand against ssj Black
>Ssj Vegeta is much, much stronger than ssj3 Goku, meaning Vegeta is probably much, much, much stronger than Goku.

It feels good being a Vegeta fag.

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>>151247923
Ox King. Though his size seems pretty inconsistent throughout the series.

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>>151262269
Here is a quick edit I made so the pictures are beside each other for side by side comparison.

>>151263008
He's been training with Whis alone, right?

>>151259759
>Beerus and Whis as Burns and Smithers

kek

>>151263008
>>Trunk says that Black is much stronger than him (so Black is much stronger than ssj3 Goku). We know he is talking about base form Black since he later says he hasn't seen Black go ssj in a while.
This correlation is not necessary 100% true. For all we know him toying with Trunks in his base is not the same power level as when Trunks went PSSJ2 against S3 Goku.
If we were to calculate health and stamina, we could argue that Trunks (which never had lightning sparks in his earlier skirmish with Base Black) could have just been really weak because he was malnourished and barely eating (half a cat food tin).
This compared to a fully healed post senzu bean PSSJ2 Trunks shouldn't be the same calculation.

>>151263533
After sparring Goku remarks how far Trunks has come, to which Trunks says that even with this power he is nothing compared to Black. He's directly referring to the power he just shown when sparring with Goku.

>>151247299
>Piccollo
you wish. nigga is weak and useless, he used to be cool and smart, now he is just a shitstain faggot.

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>>151262269
I like the homages like SSB Goku and Vegeta mimicing their fighting poses from the Saiyan Arc.

But not all of Toyotaro's blatant copies are not homages.

>>151263920
Yes but when he is describing the potential power of Black he never states in what form he was in..
That means it's too early to jump to conclusions that he was specifically describing his later encounters with him in base form.
Imagine if it's like a video game setting and Trunks over the course of the year was starving and had no heals to replenish his stamina/health bar.
Black toying with him no longer needs to power up to his SSJ forms that he used previously. Trunks when describing Black's true potential must have been referring to his transformations he used in the past encounter.
Remember, Trunks didn't have any sparks when he fought his skirmish before retreating into the past.

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>>151264031
copying or not this was a million times better scene than what we got in the anime.

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>>151262269
I was patiently waiting for this panel to appear in the anime and I remember being so upset that it wasn't present.
Hopefully next arc will deliver some iconic panels.

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"Gohan's misfortune! It can't be, the Great Saiyaman gets turned into a movie!?"

Evil can't be forgiven!! The ally of Justice, Great Saiyaman appears!!

Unexpected events get Gohan in high spirits!

The Great Saiyaman and Mister Satan will have their dream match in a movie! The Great Saiyaman is to be played by an actor called Bari Quand (he's the guy Boo sees in a magazine and shifts his face into to try and kiss a girl in the Boo arc, his pun apparently comes from the French company "Bariquand et Marre" that manufactured barber's clippers) but Gohan himself volunteers to be his stuntman in dangerous scenes.

Jaco this week

A great error during patrol!?

In the middle of escorting the heinous criminal "Watagasshu", Jaco stops by a ramen stand in space. While distracted, the criminal escapes...!?

>>151263154
thicc

>>151264254
>Gohan himself volunteers to be his stuntman in dangerous scenes.
based, /our boy/ Gohan is back!

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I love how fucking SMUG Black looks when he flaunts his SSJ2 form.
It was neat to see him power down to just a SSJ1 during the battle too which was a nice visual aspect to the concept of stamina conservation.

>>151264337

DBS in 2017 will start with Gohan saving the day!. First time since the battle vs Cell.

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>>151249816

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How does /a/ feel about the conclusion of Future Trunks' character arc?

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>>151264390
I want to see a SSJ2 Black fight Majin Vegeta.

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>>151264390
> he'll never be a smug motherfucker like he is in the anime
> he won't be a threat until towards the end of the arc, unlike the anime

Please don't ruin my favorite villain Toyotaro...

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>>151245417
Zamasu has the best voice-acting in the whole series and his VA is fucking based, pic related

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>>151264483
waiting for the definitive version to come out patiently every month.

>>151246916
>Scaling Arale's power
>Filler is canon
I bet he does reactions to every episode eh
Also
>Downvoting in memetube
Literally useless

>>151264254
Fuck yes, I love Jaco, only redeeming quality in the Ressurection F movie

>>151264483
Absolute garbage, wrote themselves into a corner and managed to came out with the worst conclusion that they could with Toriyama's outline

>>151252365
id assume a new god of destruction wouldve been promoted

>>151264483
that was autistic af, I hope Vegeta just shakes hands with Trunks in the manga

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>>151264483
empty

>>151253639
>like what the fuck is up with "angels"
good question, the grand priest seems like he's up to something...
>the dragon god
another good question, the power of the wishing dragon is limited by the magic power of its creator this god must be pretty fucking powerful...
>how is hit so "strong"
we can only assume that's because he's 1000 years old, him being so strong is a good thing though because it shows how the other universes have mortals on the broken level of Goku
>why did beerus respect freezer when he was pissweak (except that he could destroy planets but at this point...)
Beerus didn't ''respect'' Frieza, it was the opposite. Beerus kinda used Frieza as a lackey to destroy some planets because the fucking cat is too lazy to do his job.
>why is the zen-oh like that and his story
good question, hopefully the next arc will answer it
>why are there exactly 12/14 universes (there used to be more if you remember)
another good question, we really need an origin story which I hope will be given in this upcoming arc

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>>151264706
maybe a hug and then a peace sign like pic related in the manga. If Kid Trunks deserves a hug, this PTSD Trunks deserves one too!

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>>151264483
>>151264706
>>151264826

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>>151264254
>Satan v Saiyaman

Leave kino to me.

>>151261297
Hit was already a menace in the anime too, he only improved his time-skip and that is only one his techniques

Black learned SSB in the exact same way as the manga, by fighting. Only different thing is execution.

Frieza's four months of training making him on par with gods is fucking retarded and I can't believe that beaner is actually defending it, literally no excuse for that shit. Golden Frieza was literally the worst saga in all of DB even including GT and the reason you shouldn't pander to nostalgia.

Man you anime vs manga faggots are retarded. Good thing the next saga will follow the manga completely so this shit can end.

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I want to see a manga spinoff solely dedicated to Toriyama Akira's Kanzenban colored Cover-Art styled drawings.

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>>151264483
I actually liked it for how unconventional it was for Dragonball

>villain actually won
>the heroes failed to protect the world
>the heroes will now be forced to live in a different version of their world with their original friends being literally gone forever

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>>151264617
>Absolute garbage, wrote themselves into a corner and managed to came out with the worst conclusion that they could with Toriyama's outline

But that is exactly what Toriyama wanted, don't you see how the manga preview for the next saga has two Zenos?

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>>151265086
I gotcha, senpai
http://mangafox.me/manga/ginga_patrol_jako/v01/c012/1.html

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So tomorrow the Italian dub of DBS will premiere, is it the first official non-Japanese dub?
Regardless they only bought the rights for the first 27 episodes meaning it's just the two movies and no tournament or Zamasu

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MATA KISAMA KA TURANKSU?!?!?

>>151265189
the corners that they wrote themselves into in the anime is
1) Time Causal Loop Paradox for the inception of Black
2)inconsistent power levels
3)Spirit Sword felt rushed in comparison to a Spirit Bomb.

>>151265345
the only thing I agree with is point 3 and that is only because they were forced to stick to 20 episodes meaning they had to squeeze in a lot of stuff resulting in a rushed ending

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>>151265254
actually I finished Jaco recently that got me thinking about it again.
Back in the day the only Toriyama work flloating around was Neko Majin Z and a One Shot novel called "Sand Land" which had a similar art style.

New debate:

Dragon Ball Minus or Bardock Father of Goku?

No waifufagging please, let's have an actual discussion

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Hi chi chi

>>151265345
i dont think they wrote themselves into a corner, I believe they straight up didnt care and were making this up on a weekly basis.

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>>151265391
I don't want to hear about the anime being "rushed" as an excuse, that criticism should solely be for the monthly manga.

>>151265520
>I don't want to hear about the anime being "rushed" as an excuse
But it was rushed, they literally were forced to stick to 20 episodes

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>>151264483
I'm glad that he was able to see the man his father became.

Same with Gohan...and the fact that he ignited his passion to protect his Timeline.

Also I'm glad he has a happy ending, and is now able to have a nice time at the dinner table with Mai and Bulma.

I always wondered what happened to Buu in his Timeline too...glad we got that answered.

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>>151265556
and I'm saying they spent those 20 poorly.

>>151264706
It was very Vegeta-like

>>151265478
Minus simply because Prophet Bardock was weird.

Also Jaco and Gine being there was nice...and the explanation of why Team Vegeta dodged Planet Vegeta's destruction.

Too bad it's too short.

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>>151266209

>>151264254
So jaco mixed in with literally the Saiyman arc? I mean, we even just got baseball.

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>>151265345
>Time Causal Loop Paradox for the inception of Black

Same happened with Cell.

> inconsistent power levels

Happens almost every arc.

> Spirit Sword felt rushed in comparison to a Spirit Bomb.

Ok this one is true. Only because Trunks created it by accident, and just went with the flow.

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>>151266377
fin for now

>Frost is now a fugitive and can't even get rid of the U6 Saiyans who are basically space cops because they learned how to transform from Cabba
>during his time hiding he trains
>he becomes stronger and gets a new form
>he uses this in the tournament

What's it gonna be? Golden Frost? Platinum Frost? Or maybe Diamond Frost?

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>>151264483
Future Trunks will be back

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Will Zamasu's English VA even compare to based Miki?

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>>151266439
Frost looking like Cooler would be hype as fuck.

>>151266418
This is my favorite.

>>151266486
Fuck memeasu, what about Vados?

>>151266486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6TSl-G3B34
no Miki is literally top 3 VA of Japan. Funimation has no chance to compare to that unless they go over their budget.

>>151266486
>>151266588

SON

GOKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAA

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Is Trunks stronger than Goku and Vegeta now?

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>>151266783
Yes.

But not for long.

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Hoping to see lots of Piccolo in action and utilising some unique magic spells to make him a distinct class archetype this upcoming arc.

>>151246922
>Whis saying Beerus created the timeline is a Toei fuckup, which they themselves contradict when they say Trunks caused it on their graph
Not a Toei fuck up, it's a Toriyama fuck up considering the manga is doing the exact same thing.

Only difference is that the anime has a time paradox.

>>151264468
FUCK
I hate you and your bait so much

>>151259285
Dude, the Vegetto vs Ginyulma fight has been "fuck powerlevels" so far, even more so if he actually got to change bodies.