Why is she crying bros?
Because she's Envy and everyone distrusts her despite not being the split personality that killed and absorbed them.
Remon's other translation of Subaru's harem april fools story
Alright. This is supposed to be the candidates reactions to getting cheated on by their boyfriends. I think. In that case, I think Emilia's goes something like this.
>"Ah, that's right. Yeah, it's fine. I guess I didn't really do everything I could either, for it to have turned out like this. Because I think...... Yeah, sorry."
Seems she blames herself for it.
But why? I can get that Envy would be some reaction to being incompatible with the witch factors, but is it really as simple as just driving their friend crazy?
Come to think of it, if Satella had some kind of boytoy she was always crushing on wouldn't the witches have known about him?
Every thread until Crusch-sama gets her memories back.
>Is it really that hard to ask for a good ending in this series?
It's easy to ask. That doesn't mean Tappei gives less of a fuck about our wishes.
I respect that, actually. It'd be quite easy to simply cash in.
This cinnamon bun piece of fluffy love candy miracle diamond star holy angel sparkle ruby has suffered enough already. I just want Crusch-sama to get her memories back and hug him.
It's interesting that she insists Echidna tricked her, if only that it implies that Echidna damned well knew Subaru wouldn't be fooled by her tricks. Echidna had to be betting on Subaru rage to snap him out of it.
Speaking of which though, I notice that most story arcs in this series usually end on a happy (and sometimes bittersweet) note.
So hopefully arc 6 will follow the tradition and the ending won't be too tragic or depressing.
I don't think Echidna knew or didn't, either outcome probably works for her. He gets back up on his feet because of 'Rem' or he gets mad and breaks out of the trial that way. But since it went badly for Carmilla she assumes she was tricked.
Arc 1 - Subaru almost dies
Arc 2 - Probably the only one ended without incident
Arc 3 - Rem potato
Arc 4 - Maybe its okay, but a lot of shit went down, also burned their house down
Arc 5 - So many people are fucked
Arc 6 - ???
Not really seeing it.
Not exactly, but if the world works in her favor and she never struggles with anything and always wins then what's been happening to Crusch and Anastasia could make sense as side effects of Priscilla 'winning' since those two are the front runners for the Royal Selection.
Does anyone know a good way to grab text from scanned images? I have scans for this side story "Rem's very ordinary happy day" and I REALLY want to translate it, but it would make it extremely easier if I can get them into text format so I can copy and paste phrases to search them. I have been doing my own research and was wondering if anyone knew of good methods themselves. I can't write stuff by hand
He's always accomplished his main goal. It's just everything else is less guaranteed. If the established pattern continues, it's everyone besides Rem who's in the gravest danger.
I think we should only count the last loop in the arc where less people suffered.
Arc 1- Rom, Felt, Emilia were saved. Subaru didn't die again. Emilia got her insignia back. Subaru and Emilia became friends.
Arc 2 - Nobody in the mansion suffered. The kids from the village got saved. Rem got "reset." Emilia and Subaru had their promise kept.
Arc 3 - The villagers got saved and the casualties were minimal. Subaru reconciled with Emilia. Personally I wouldn't consider the Interludes as a part of arc 3. It is more like arc 4's prologue imo.
Arc 4 - Their house getting burned down doesn't sound that bad as long as everyone kept their lives.
Arc 5 - A lot of people were fucked but that doesn't mean they couldn't be saved. So it was not entirely a sad ending.
Maybe transform to pdf and use a pdf editing tool to extract the text? It's the only thing that occurs to my ignorant self, besides printing and hetting one of those scanning light-pens.
Actually I might gather all the kanji I know and ask my chinese friend to write them out for me. That's one option so I might not need someone to handwrite it
Extremely informally. Basically I started out formally with guides. Then I just watched anime and read vns, paying attention very closely to how the language works and googling stuff. Here's a more detailed answer Igave someone before: http://pastebin.com/xVUpK58T
How do I send them to you? Should I post the album here?
>How do I send them to you? Should I post the album here?
You know who I am. Right now I'm just browsing through sound effect fonts, so do whatever.
This makes Carmilla's annoyance at being tricked hilarious. I bet you she would still dislike Subaru in another way if he slept with her because something tells me she somewhat resents those who bang her being in love with her authority and not her.
For a narcissist, her incarnation of the Lust authority is completely and utterly ironic. People are incredibly attracted to her, but she knows it's not really her they are attracted to, but whoever her authority makes them project on Carmilla.
Remon can you translate this?
>How do I send them to you? Should I post the album here?
Alright. Currently going through this and trying to correct errors the OCR made. This will be a pain in the ass. Consider this your Christmas present when I get done with it.
She didn't even know who Rem was. All it showed what Subaru desired most in the world. That thing he desired most just so happened to be Rem. That's why she said "your imagination" and "your heart's girl". Anything Subaru saw in Carmilla was on Subaru's end not hers.
You're just asking for Dark Lord Subaru
Most of the harem story seems to be slapstick stuff that point out why those pairings don't work. It was April Fool's after all. Ram smacks his shit for treating her like Rem and Felt just gave him a black eye before he visited Rem.
How would the royal candidates react if their boyfriends cheated on them?
“He will come back to me after all. I am not that boorish to criticise him just for flirting. Though I will kill him if he leaves.”
“The end of love is also the end of money. I surely paid my tuition. How I should make it back is up to me right?”
“The fault also lies on me for not being a good partner. I happen to have given up on hoping for a woman’s happiness thinking that it’s too much for me.” (The guy will get killed by Ferris afterwards)
“I’m cool with it, but what matters is whether I could still love him after knowing that he’s that kind of guy right? Whether I forgive him”
“Oh, so that’s how it is. …It’s fine. I probably didn’t put enough effort. That’s what I think. I’m sorry."
Note: Tappei didn't finish Felt's sentence.
I would appreciate if anyone could rate my translation.
That's the sense I got from it. Sort of as in character as it could get, with the context of the story. As can be predicted most of the pairings have awful chemistry. I think Rem's case is the only one where it's taken a little seriously. I think that even the Emilia section has him mention that Ferris told him to take a break from sex that night, for the sake of his health. So, the joke is that he'd risk his own good health to sleep with her, or something.
So yeah, pregnant Rem is clearly the best part.
>The guy will get killed by Ferris afterwards
Ferri is so damn based. Ready to commit suicide.
Every thread until Rem wakes up.
So in the Echidna AU is it explained what the turning point was that got Subaru to accept her contract where MU Subaru didn't? Maybe he didn't know Beatrice's plight.
People watch it? Video game streaming at least makes sense for the skill/commentary factor but who the fuck wants to watch some idiot watch an anime he's never seen unless it's a MST3K thing?
Crack theory time. The witches agreed with Satella's killing half the world decision and whatever it was she was trying to accomplish. In super generalized terms they're just as evil as her.
Lewes was already long dead by the time of Arc 4. She
sacrificed herself 400 years ago to setup the Sanctuary's Barrier. The body Echidna took over no more than empty shell of the person used to be.
No the idea is that he accepted in the same point she offered it i think. He just choose to go through with it anyways
he forces Beatrice out of Library and i think it's lost forever. She recluses herself in some place and hates him forever for it, Subaru having done so to get her out but in the end it didn't matter since she still lost her purpose. Apparently she also hits him from time to time.
Also the Rem confession, which becomes a center point as soon as the end of arc 3. And this other Al scene which foreshadows shit.
Are you fucking kidding.
>most of the foreshadowing and world building that made Priscilla and Al something other than plot devices
>Rem romance after From Zero
>the actual ending
No one would remember that shit anyway, so they're better off adding it in as a reminiscing scene later on when it becomes relevant.
The actual ending is better as a starting point for the next season than it would be as a cliffhanger.
The Rem romance is something people definitely would've remembered. That they cut it has created a huge rift in knowledge and reception between the novel fanbase and the anime fanbase.
Not that guy, but
In fairness those were only really glaring omissions and more due to time constraints then anything else. It's nothing can't be added later in.
There wasn't much romance there either. Subaru confess to her after the White Whale then Rem pretty separates from him right there. Subaru didn't plan moving forward yet until he confessed to Emilia and talk about it.
To be fair the latest wasn't cut but they simply stopped right before it. In that sense they did the lesser evil since this stuff can be added any time whereas a shortened/cut end would have been unrepairable.
Personally I'm not bothered by the Al stuff at all since it's not tied to time or place so this could be added any time given we get more.
Knowing Subaru feelinmgs on the matter is important and it sets what happens later. Of course it can be added at the evry beginning of S2 but it would feel far more abrupt and I assure you that some people are going to whine about it.
Yes they still would have since it still relates to what happened in ep 18. It's not like he said I love to Rem. The LN/WN just made it clearer than the anime did that he accepts her feelings too.
>It's not like he said I love to Rem.
But in the confession after the whale fight he totally did. Rem cheated but she got a confession and Subaru actually said it was genuine. White Fox just cut it too.
They didn't really cut it, as much as they made it less clear. The feeling is there, with him saying he should be the one begging for her to stay by his side.
Sure it could have been done better, but it's still kinda there. They can estrapolate further on his feelings on the ride back to the capital, or the ride back to Roswaal's mansion.
They rewrote the entire scene and cut dialogue making it vague as shit. That is the single scene it made me think there was an actual intention of doing it that way in opposition to the original for other eason that time constraints. That was them going all their way and changing it and created a rift between the LN readers and the anime viewers. It's a mess.
Not denying that, which is why i said it could have been done better.
But the idea of him loving her too is there as well, also the part where he can look at her when she says she has full confidence in him below the tree, due to not being able to handle his feelings.
I don't really get why they made it more ambiguous, but oh well.
It's White Fox, they also rewrote entire chunks of Hataraku Maou-sama because they favored Chiho (probably the reason why they will never do a S2 of that show either). It's nothing new for them.
Reminder that some people think Puck's lack of acting before Emilia does is a plot hole.
While people are retarded, it's true they made this more ambiguous. It's too bad ambiguous is not the same thing as "no romantic feelings", hence why people's retardation remains a fact.
Actually I think moving Subaru's confession to Rem to the beginning of S2 would make Rem romance more natural.
Subaru saying "I love you" to Rem shortly after rejecting her would make him look like a jerk and his legitimate feelings would be dampened.
I think they can rewrite the script and make Subaru, instead of Rem, be the one to propose polygamy to Emilia and confess his feelings for Rem to Emilia. And imo it will make the ending of the Interlude 2 even more impactful as Rem dies without knowing Subaru also loves her. It will add up to the tragedies and sufferings.
He says I love you a few lines after that anon. he even uses the exact words he used for Emilia.
>In her vision which had become blurred by the swell of tears that gushed up, she saw Subaru shake his head. After that, Subaru brought his face close to her and said,
>[Subaru: I love you]
>[Subaru: I love you. Isn’t that obvious…If you aren’t with me, I can’t live on…]
You are talking here, in Japan a lot of people did even before the anime. The preorders even took a nose dive after the I love Emilia. You just have to see how everyone reacted here without even knowing how the LN went from that.
Nowhere close. Re:Zero was almost 1:1 of the source to point have cut the OP and ED multiple times to fit more material in. Nothing storywise stopping a S2 from happening. Some of you are exaggerating especially since Subaru doesn't really start feeling for Rem until she is gone like she wished. That's what makes it tragic.
Before the whale he is already fighting on how even after he said everytime he looks at Rem his heart starts to race. And after that there is the whole interrupted kiss by Ferri fiasco.
Also there is a reason why he fleeing to Kararagi and starting a family was a definite possibility as seen in the Natsuki Rem AU. The feelings were there already.
The version I read didn't have state it explicity.
It doesn't really matter because the anime still implies that he accepts her and even uses Rem's line from the LN that he can't take it back. Then she leaves a moment afterward before anything else can happen.
You probably follow different people, because everything I saw on twitter after it happened was pure rage. 2ch was also pure hatred at that point. Also the sales definitely took a hit.
If so then I guess Subaru doesn't have to mention polygamy idea explicitly. Instead it can be implied by Subaru's "I love Rem just as much as I love you, Emilia" line (hopefully it should not be that hard for most people to understand Subaru is trying to take both Emilia and Rem to be his wives).
Rem proposing polygamy will also make her look bad. So I think the best to suggest it is to make Subaru say "I love both" and let the audience figure out the rest.
That wasn't a good chunk. It was literally one scene. He didn't start talking about how he felt about until after From Zero which was literally the point. The main thing of significant he said there that he would accept polygamy if Emilia allowed it. But there really wasn't anything romantic about it. It's only after the White Whale when they truly romantic moment.
>Re:Zero was almost 1:1 of the source to point have cut the OP and ED multiple times to fit more material in.
It was a good adaptation, but it wasn't 1:1, it was 9 volumes in 25 episodes. That's means a lot of cuts, mainly in the third arc.
The polygamy thing can happen on the way back to the capital, where Subaru goes "The thing is like you and Rem, so i was thinking maybe you two could be mine?..." or something like that.
It's due her being a 1) one a female and she already has a lot of sympathy with audience by that time so it's easier to swallow and 2) she desperate enough at the that point to do so.
Debatable a lot of their interactions were ship teases and the polygamy talk wouldn't have happened if they weren't considering it. No one talks about that platonically. Anyway it's splitting hairs, but if you want to play it that way then they fucked up the stuff you're categorizing differently too.
"In the second half of episode 21 (“A Wager That Defies Despair”), there’s a scene where Rem and Subaru talk to each other after the White Whale is defeated. Because it was so difficult to fit the scene into the length of time allotted, it felt like they separated without too much fuss when I submitted the manuscript. The director and Yoshikawa-san said that because Rem had carried herself like a heroine up to that point, she needed to be given a bit more time before she agreed to part ways. In the end, Nagatsuki-san wrote two or three lines in novel form, and I used that to write up the script."
As you can see they had it due to time constraints and tried their best to get as much out of this scese as possible even to the extent that the author himself wrote some lines.
2ch is irrelevant, the series has been averaging 10k. They don't have much of an effect anyone care about.
Well sure as hell didn't see that. Yes, there were some salty people, but majority of people loved the episode. Hell the majority of viewers loved ep 25 despite featuring no Rem. This includes the prescreen of it. It had 100k tweets about it.
People liked because it was good even so, but this is a fanbase where Rem fans are like such a big majority that it makes perfect sense for them to be dissapointed on how was handled, even more knowing how the original goes.
Yep. They can add more flashbacks to that scene to emphasize Subaru's feelings for Rem as well.
But even so, Rem doing so would leave a bad taste in the audience's mouth and their positive opinions on her character will be lessened.
I would be very impressed to see how someone could translate this without stating it explicitly.
There was really no other choice tho. Arc 2 would have left the series with quite an empty conclusion and no one understanding what really the point of this was. Stopping in the midst of arc 3 would have also reaped it of its entire point ( character study of Subaru )
Like the script writers themselves said in the interview. The series was never meant to be 25 episodes. Hell with their constant cut of the OP & ED they even accumulated almost 2 episodes worth of airing time. With the two parter first episode this was almost a 28 episode 2 cour season which for sure didn't leave them with much of a choice.
Personally I believe all they have to do is some sort of "Episode 0" which features the rest of the 3rd arc. There they can add the whole polygamy talk in the dragon carriage scene where Subaru naturally brings up this point and even emphasize on an interesting dynamic that Subaru could develop; Sometimes people only realize how they feel about something/someone when it's gone.
That's like saying all the times Emilia reacted to his teasing before the confession in Arc 3 hinted that he liked him that way. Rem isn't the only person he treats affectionately, in her case it's mainly platonic. That's why Rem mentions in one of loop in Arc 3 that she's jealous of Emilia.
Ironically in a the King's Game Emilia mentions rather jealous about how he head pats Rem which surprises him.
Not really? Subaru depending multiple people in any given arc.
Yes, an episode 0 will probably be the best way to tackle it. S2 will also be a problem though, because a full season of just arc 4 will be too slow paced, and adding arc 5 will mean two rushed arcs. Well, Arc 5 is really fight centered so it maybe will translate better.
More episodes would have worked more really, also yeah, i had completely forgotten about the time cut from skipping opening and ending.
But in the end a few more episodes to fit in some stuff would have worked, and work in some of the character quirks, like Emilia being sassy, force feeding Subaru when he was down after Ram cut his throat and he figured out Rem didn't trust him, Rem's clingy nature and his headpats, the Al scenes, the confession and the proper ending of arc 3.
Well, funny thing. She kind of did. The part where Rem takes care of Subaru while he's catatonic is told from her perspective in the novels and she was introspective about Subaru having that falling out with Emilia. She believed Emilia had a small crush on him but wouldn't admit it. You could definitely say there was some romance there. Not a lot but it was building from the start.
Yeah I get what you mean.
If we assume that Tappei finishes the 4th arc in about 5 volumes and that the staff would continue its 4 episode per volume pace it would lead up to around 20 episodes, which together with said Episode 0 could lead to a nice short 2 cour season. Then again Tappei could have plans to add something which could make this estimations for naught. And yeah I'd rather see Arc 5 getting at least close to one cour.
>If you aren’t with me, I can’t live on…
Damnit, Tappei. Why you do dis.
WF worked with what they had at the time. Top of that nobody thought this show would have become as much of a success it did anyway. Honestly the series only got as poplaur did due to anime so WF did they job and you tell they loved the source too.
Considering even google translate would probably translate 大好きだ properly, then whoever's translation you read that didn't translate it right should probably just give up on life.
He hates her fans to the point of being more annoying than them and has an Emilia bias. He got btfo for good once all his trash talk about post arc 3 got turned on its head with Subaru angsting about Rem constantly (that's far from forgotten) once consistent translations came out. But that's my point. Even he got the scene right with Subaru saying I love you. So whoever fucked it up probably couldn't read moonrunes very well to begin with.
I agree but that's where reality strikes :/. They were given a specific budget, a specific timeframe and especially only a limited amount of time for their slot on 4 TV stations. Since they seem to have already extended their running time once by making it 25 episodes they surely were out of options at this point and the production committee was declining any more breathing room.
All this limits them incredibly in what they want but only can do. Watanabe-san mentioned that the ending is what they worked on the longest and what constantly changed throughout the production.
I'm sure that for most of the time the plan was to end it where the 9th volume would actually end but because the production of anime if a versatile and moving process they had to make a decision.
Rush and cut the ending of arc 3 to oblivion and destroy any chance of adding it afterwards in some possible continuation OR simply end it earlier at another relatively fitting point in the story. I'm glad they picked the latter cause with this it opens them the possibilities to add stuff.
Hmm, imo the two interludes as well as chapter 6 of volume 9 would perfectly fit into a double length episode, much like how Fate S/N UBW had its double length Episode 0. With this they could get people into the story again by continuing where they left off, set the mood and start of this season with a bang.
As much as I want to see it myself I can't see them ever doing a Natsuki Rem OVA for a very simply reason.
The Natsuki Rem AU gets its own full Light Novel but the way to acquire it is to buy all 9 BD/DVD and get the ticket that is included with them.
Making an OVA which costs only a portion of what people paid for the 9 Volumes would make this whole bonus pretty much pointless.
If you were in charge of giving characters voices, who would you choose to voice Regulus and Ley?
I think Natsuki Rem should probably stay as text. it's too much of a fluff piece and doesn't really expand the world or add to backstory of others characters like Wilhelm and Crusch's do.
Then again knowing the marketing for this series it will probably happen and Wilhelm and Crusch will just get sidelined. =/
Ex Volumes don't focus on the main cast and they don't want indirect sequel hook stuff. For optimum marketing it would be the WN chapters and tanpenshuu extras. Stop with emoticons by the way. It's bad etiquette here.
When the time comes, Fourier-sama will be voiced by based Ging Freecss aka Rikiya Koyama.
Quickly! Emilia is crying! How do you cheer her up?
Are you kidding me? They were basically a cloiple in arc 3. They just removed it because they wanted to play safe. They were straight up cuddling and flirting with each other even before From Zero.
so the archbishops don't really conform to the sins they're named after in ways we traditionally expect, right? and envy, in the form of jealousy, can be the fear of losing what you have
how is subaru not the archboshop of envy? his authority is basically built for him to abuse to avoid losing any of the people he cares about, even rem if you consider how low the chances of him getting another good run out of those loops were. the moment he even loses one friend now he treats the loop as a throw away.
Freeze a village and frame her for it.
to be fair, subaru was treating rem more like a dependant puppy than anything, a pet rather than a love interest. it wasn't until From Zero that he even realised her as a real person.
>Literal months of sol and relationship building
>Banter with literally everyone
>Shortened speeches to one scentence
>Subaru showing his slow development on how he made the plans but instead doing a 180 making him inconsistent
>All character inner thoughts and monoluges especially Subaru's
Whitefox needed more episodes
You will never bury your face in Elsa's crotch and huff it why even live.
>to be fair, subaru was treating rem more like a dependant puppy than anything, a pet rather than a love interest. it wasn't until From Zero that he even realised her as a real person.
He was aware of her issues, but he treated her like a friend. Remember in his point of view everyone in the mansion was like a second family even Betty despite fighting a lot with her.
It was more him denying his feelings really, considering how distracted he was around Rem. Not to mention his thoughts wander to her when they are seperated for a few hours. Plus the times Subaru was embarrased so.
We have no idea. The only clue we have is that Al does not like the idea of both Rem and Ram being alive.
There was also a short story showing that in arc 1, while Emilia was wandering, Ram was trying to find her ,she knocks out some of the thugs with wind magic using her wand, Al shows up, starts asking her about what appears to be Priscilla, then starts hitting on her, he then mentions her name and wanders off.
Ram had not presented her own name to him before, but shrugged it off and kept searching.
Subaru never saw her as a puppy. In the mayo chapter, he mentions how he wishes she'd display less self doubt, while talking to Ram.
He was most likely aware of her feelings, but he didn't want to stray from Emilia. It wasn't really at from Zero that he started to have feelings, sometimes he'd have to avoid going overboard himself. Plus i think the shock from losing her on the part where Petelgeuse kills her made him appreciate her a lot more.
It's hardly platonic, she herself feels something for him, but Subaru doesn't want to force her to admit to her own feelings, without being ready. He wants her to realize her own love for him herself instead of trying to lead her on.
He flirts openly but he won't tell her to love speed things up since he probably feels it wouldn't be genuine.
Anon, there are so many puppy metaphors that it's not even funny. From subaru picturing her waggling tail after she begs for his attention to her even getting straight up puppy ears in the Kings Game.
I don't ever remember him distract by Rem when she was around. He really did not have any kind of feelings until arc 3 when she died to protect to him. He was about affectionate every ones else as he was with her, but in different ways sometimes to annoyance others like Betty. He wasn't kidding about everyone being like family to him.
So are you calling these things with Rem platonic or not? You didn't address the question at all, instead you're still talking about Emilia.
He actually was yearning for Rem after being with Priscilla, almost brought it up out of the blue. Mainly to kiss the booboos to Priscilla gave to his ego though. Rem snuggling up to him during the King's Game caused his "heart to race". Emilia also has a few moments of observing them and the narration implies she's suspecting them.
>I don't ever remember him distract by Rem when she was around.
There are moments when he started a conversation with Emilia, or Emilia was trying to talk to him, where he got distracted and sucked into what's described as his "daily routine" with Rem.
These scenes are usually followed up with Emilia being described as staring at the two, either like she's annoyed or like she's thinking about something. One of the scenes described her as looking like she was trying to shake away an idea afterward.
Dude Subaru is an otaku and a guy of course his heart would race with contract with of girl. He acted in the same Ram and Emilia came to help study in his room for example.
>He actually was yearning for Rem after being with Priscilla, almost brought it up out of the blue. Mainly to kiss the booboos to Priscilla gave to his ego though.
Makes sense considering at that point he fucked up all his relationships at point and Rem was only one willing to cuddle his ego.
Sound like you're making more out of then what was there. That sounds pretty OoC from him anyway, especially post Arc 3 when he's really considerate towards how Emilia is feeling at any given time.
Taking another look at this thing from the last thread.
As a vague glance over, I think I've got the gist of it.
>What's the degree of friendship in each of the King candidates camps?
>Crusche/Felis: Perfect married couple.(Crusche is the husband)
>Anastasia/Julius: Congenial boss and subordinate.
>Priscilla/Al: Partners in Crime
>Emilia/Subaru: Close friendship between Elementary School students of the opposite gender.
>Felt/Reinhardt: Coworker who is hated, and coworker who wants to get along despite being hated.
>Makes sense considering at that point he fucked up all his relationships at point and Rem was only one willing to cuddle his ego.
This was before he fucked up all of his relationships.
>Sound like you're making more out of then what was there.
It's just something that happens a few times. I'm not making more out of it then what's there. Emilia is actually pretty obviously jealous in a lot of those scenes, and acts like she wants to be treated like how Subaru treats Rem.
>>Felt/Reinhardt: Coworker who is hated, and coworker who wants to get along despite being hated.
Wait. I probably fucked up how I put that. But basically, it's a situation where one coworker hates the other, while the hated one still wants to get along.
He means when Subaru first meets Priscilla
>“What ye were chirping about earlier was all in order to save me. Hmm, I didn’t notice.”
>“After all that, saying something like ‘I didn’t notice’, isn’t that exactly the same as no reward!?”
>He twisted his legs, befuddled. The shock he received was so great he had to express it with his body. Even so, the girl looked at him with bored eyes, not commenting on it at all.
>“Good grief, what a waste of time. Stealing my unlimited time, what a sinful story.”
>“So you’re not going to say thanks after all…”
>Gratitude and some words of thanks were all he sought, unintentionally Rem’s image came to mind. That blue-haired girl was probably on a shopping tour right around now, they’d only been apart for a few hours but how much he missed her. I want to be healed by Rem!
>That sounds pretty OoC from him anyway, especially post Arc 3
But it wasn't post Arc 3. During Arc 3, Subaru was being very inconsiderate of Emilia. When Rem was beating up the thugs that pursued them, Emilia was actively trying to get Subaru's attention while he was cheering on Rem. However, he pretty much just ignored her because he was enjoying the show too much.
It's also worth pointing out that Emilia only directs those jealous looks at Rem's interactions with Subaru, and they're definitely jealous looks since she mutters under her breath about wanting to be treated the same way. And she outright states it when she was drugged during the King Game.
You know for a man trying to cuddle his ego he does a lot of things for Rem as well as being pretty concerned for her like asking to take it easy despite having no trouble during work and always harping on everyone to stress her less. Like the time he had to convince the entire mansion to give her a day off. Or maybe blush everytime she smiles?
It's kind of both, isn't it? Sure, he's trying to coddle his ego, and isn't necessarily taking everyone seriously, but it's clear he was already very fond of and attached to Rem.
>This was before he fucked up all of his relationships.
You mentioned Priscilla giving him boobs to his ego though which I remember happening when fuck up his shit. That's what I thought you talking about.
Ahh I see. Through I remember Suabru commenting on things like this, admitting that he was taking her for granted to due to how often he would take advantage of her attachment to him. In fact I remember how he acted when he Priscilla encounter those thugs again and Rem showed up/ He acted like she was his attack dog, Rem never even bothered to question what was going like most people would have.
>That's what I thought you talking about.
Oh, I didn't mention that.
>Rem never even bothered to question what was going like most people would have.
Like most people would have? They were being actively threatened by a bunch of thugs. What's there to question?
True, that was major theme for him in that arc.
That's no different then him helping Betty pick out books in the library. He tries not cause to trouble as make Emilia worried too about him and let distract her from her studies. Despite his faults Subaru is a nice guy.
>Like most people would have? They were being actively threatened by a bunch of thugs. What's there to question?
I mean how got to that in the first place and dude it's Subaru, the number one troublemaker. Al and Emilia at very least did.
I really don't understand what kind of mental gymnastics you are doing right now. But Subaru doing these things for Rem is definitely not for Emilia or worrying Emilia. Considering Most of what Subaru did for Rem directly goes against her time studying. Have you not read Rem's day off or something?
Dude. He actually went out of his way to organize projects for Rem's sake on multiple occasions. He doesn't even put in half so much effort for Betty's sake at that point in the story. Sure, he's a nice guy and wants to get along with everyone, but it's clearly portrayed that Rem was already higher on his priority list than everyone besides Emilia.
Subaru started loving Rem long before From Zero though, it took From Zero to realize he actually looked at her more that just a friend in the first place. Not fully in-love but arguing when those feelings started that lead to the degree of thier love started.
I've read everything. I'm not making mental gymnastic of anything. Rem is not the only person he does things for. A sidestory about one time wouldn't change that. Hell one of reason he wanted to be butler at the mansion was because though it was to big for just two maids to handle. He's was also damn familiar Felt and tried to pat her head, before she bit him. All kind of stuff is part of his character and other people notice and react differently depending who it is.
I don't like to read too much into things. I really prefer to err on the side of caution.
>A sidestory about one time wouldn't change that.
There are multiple sidestories about this kind of thing, where it's implied that Subaru has been doing this kind of stuff for awhile. Sure, he helps everyone, and is always overly familiar, but it's kind of silly to say that the way he treated Rem and Betty were comparable. I'm not going to be as biased as everyone else, but it's made pretty fucking clear that Rem was getting a whole lot more of Subaru's attention than anyone but Emilia.
I mean, Emilia doesn't act jealous of anyone besides Rem in any of the stories at the manor. And she very much does act jealous of Rem.
His heart raced when the thought of Ram coming to his room at night. Does he have feeling for her too?
And my point through out the main narrative it's entirely portrayed as platonic or at the very least ambiguous until all the shit in arc 3 started happening. I'm also point what others have said about his character in-universe.
I don't see any point Emilia having any special feelings before the end for him Arc 3.
What are these multiple occasions? Look it's not I'm trying to deny Subaru gains feelings for Rem later on, but up till non of those points seem relevant. He never brings up theses events in main story when he thinks about when fell for her. No he thinks about her dying to Pete, ep 11 or From Zero.
Alright if you say so. I just feel like there too many points where he's do similar stuff for other people so easy to see it as him, just being him. Which what I always interpreted it as.
There is a difference with Ram. He no longer was interested in her. While he gained much more interest in Rem.
This is some serious mental gymnastics if we aren't putting continuity into play. Plus you know, if we aren't putting continuity into play he was using the twins for his sexual fantasies.
>I mean, Emilia doesn't act jealous of anyone besides Rem in any of the stories at the manor. And she very much does act jealous of Rem.
Honestly, outside of Rem>Subaru and Subaru>Emilia, I think Emilia>Subaru and Subaru>Rem were all subconscious until Arc 3.
Like said he done similar actions with other characters on certain occasions. It's noted he tends to be overally familiar with some people. Arguably I suppose not as much as he is towards Rem and Emilia. Either way I concede on this point.
All of these stories take place after episode 11, don't they? Episode 11 is when people here seem to think he started liking Rem.
You seem to be misunderstanding me anyways. I'm not one of the people saying he already had feelings for her. I'm just saying his relationship with her wasn't as "just another occupant of the manor". He was already a whole lot closer to her at that point.
To a degree, it is just him being him. But Subaru still plays favorites. He liked Rem better than Ram, Puck, Betty, or Roswaal. That's all there is to say. Did he love her? Probably not. However, he did hold more affection for her than most.
That's what I'd go with. I'd also point out that Subaru has a way of ignoring thoughts that make him uncomfortable. I bring this up, because I noticed he never seriously pursues or questions any of the blatantly obvious signs that Rem likes him. Even when he notices.
Satella still had Unseen Hands even when Betelgeuse had them, so Satella still having the Witch Factor doesn't seem to stop one of the Bishops from having the same one.
Just looking over some old translated stuff. Ram being nice isn't anything new.
>“Stop looking at Ram with those perverted eyes. We’re the same in terms of looks, so just do what you want with Rem instead.”
>“That beautiful, sisterly love of yours isn’t beautiful at all, is it!”
>“Well, putting that aside for now.”
>“----Rem’s small, narrow world, like a contamination, Barusu forced his way into it. If that contamination rampages enough, the walls of that child’s small world might push out just a bit. So dreams a beautiful girl named Ram.”
>“Barusu was there. Sometimes that alone can save someone. You should know that.”
>Soft, gentle words spill from Ram’s lips. Without her usual cynicism, nor any callous hatred, her words carried a genuine warmth and kindness. However-,
>Unfortunately, Ram’s words fail to reach Subaru as he grieves over his paltry achievements. Hanging his head, he sighs as if the world itself was ending. With an unpleasant scowl, Ram lets loose an explosive low kick, buckling his legs and sending him to the floor. Looking down at Subaru, Ram seems annoyed enough to spit on him,
>“As expected, hanging any hope on a failure like Barusu is a lost cause.”
>“Well, let’s take our time with this. I’m sure Rem will eventually come around. After thinking and worrying for a while…. one day, when she stops to look carefully, she’ll realize that compared to herself, Nee-sama’s totally inferior.”
>“....yes. Ram hopes that day comes soon.”
>With his teasing unexpectedly met with agreement, Subaru involuntarily falters. There wasn’t a hint of bluffing or falseness in her words. Ram spoke from her heart.
>“What are you going to do if that day actually comes?”
>“Even then, as the elder sister, Ram is to be respected. ----That alone will never change.”
She really was shipping the two, wasn't she? She pretty much outright stated she wanted the situation to progress for Rem's sake.
I would call it off as writer's convinience, but there's plenty of evidence that Subaru is not the first human from earth to go there, one founded on of the countries of that world, and it seems the Sage who helped seal Satella 400 years ago, Flugel was also one from earth.
For some reason, i'm thinking the world is shaped a lot based off stuff from earth than one may assume at first.
Well its probably writer's convenience supported with that yeah. Makes it easier to pass off japanese social customs/traditions are semi-norm or close to it there.
I would have assumed the first thing for Suburu to notice upon getting there would be the language being similar to his.
There is this Hoshin of Wilderness the guy who started the trading company Anna is now the head of who could of come from earth too. Priscilla mentions that not uncommon for to claim they came from the great waterfall.
It's a lot easier for a lazy writer to make up a reason why everyone speaks in japanese but not write in it than to invent a new language or to force honda to survive in a new place where he can't communicate.
>please dont sorrow
>please dont suffer
She must have been imprisoned for quite awhile for her social skills to drop to this level. Not sure these are the words he would want to hear.
Also Minerva is fucking savage but I get her point. But realistically he has more deaths than everyone in that room put together by now doesn't he?
So do they all hate suburu's complaining at this point or do they feel for him?
Possibly. This is all spur of the moment for her as well anyhow.
I wonder if Satella is Emilia's level of intelligence in regards to others though. One would think 400 years might give that elf a little boost over Emilia's 90. What is she? A teen to them?
No this is what has been written down and been told throughout the past 400 years of history, even Beatrice knows and believes this to be true.
Sure some of the things have been disproven so far then again others have been confirmed so just neglecting them as rumors is neglecting an important part of information.
So until we don't get any direct proof that tells us otherwise we gotta work with what we have.
Eh, I'm with him there. I think your supposed to realize by now some of those are either exaggerated legends or more Wich of Envy then Satella. Her WoE is probably the side doesn't understand human language and just move on pure emotion.
Considering that he seems to be familiar with her when he is in the fleeting state between loops we can assume that a part of him, or something inside his soul, does know Satella.
I think point all the Witches have their opinion of view about him in regards to his behavior to the current situation. Echidna and Carmilia are neutral, Minvera thinks he's just running away and using his martyrism as an excuse which is why he can't face Satella. Sekhmet and Typhon are sympathetic towards his situation. I don't supposed be a right or wrong answer as each side has merit.
Yeah but at this point he goes on the assumption that she's using magic to feel things towards her or that she's mimicing/distorting his feelings towards emilia towards him.
If she's genuine I feel sorry for her but Satella's got to fight a bit to turn suburu hers...assumingly again.
Witch is not for lewd.
Yes, that's the implication. It seems it's still ongoing.
>OR maybe the dress is specifically enchanted to promote breast growth.
So, is Ram just immune?
Looks like some changes happened to this loop, Otto seems to be talking about going against an agreement with Garfiel to not mention that Garfiel and Subaru had met each othe
Garfiel seems to catch up with Subaru before he can reunite with the villagers (where is Patrasche?)
Echidna's eyes are darkness-coloured now (lol)
>Echidna's expression vanishes
>something Subaru had never seen of the Echidna he knew, the first-time-seen visage of the Witch of Greed.
I hope that moment gets art.
Remember how she helped Subaru and the villagers escape before Gaaf went berserk? Maybe he moved that around so she helps out here, or this >>151256281
Guessing going off page numbers + pages remaining, but looks like this volume will end at the start of the WoE loop/after the Echidna chat.
Page number timeline
Looks like there's another illustration page after the last one.
I think growing fears like that usually applies to developing young minds.
I actually wonder if ass-rabbits will be censored in the LN. Is publishing that kind of stuff even allowed?
Hopefully we get scans or someone makes another comparison again soon.
Its from Volume 7, so its gonna be in either Season 3 or 4
>It was probably due to the short amount of time I spent in the Hydra’s stomach, my body was covered in a horrendous stench.
>… I then noticed.
>That no one was willing to meet my eyes.
>… And from that I realized.
>That I was completely naked.
>“Did my clothes melt…”
>“They melted. Cover up. By the way Kazuma-san, you were digested so much that you became Ms Kazuma at one point. Your defensive gears are totalled, the only thing that survived is your strangely named katana that was in its sheath.”
Yeah, he did
I've liked both series for a long time since before both of them got an anime adaptation
I've read the KonoSuba LN when it was getting translated and was interested in Re:Zero from the spoilers I read from over 2 years ago and then read the manga and liked it
Quite ronic relly, the authors are both good friends but both fan-bases hate each other. Though the hate is rather one-sided, considering its mostly the Konosuba fanbase shitting on the Re:Zero fan-base.
I think you're probably getting confused by trolls. Re: Zero is the easy target and Konosuba is a somewhat natural counterpoint if you want to try and troll one way or the other.
They are the two anime I had the most fun with in 2016. Not much to say except they are both great in different ways. I also don't follow Konosuba threads because I haven't read the LNs yet
It's going to be so exciting when the WN continues again. When everything I have said comes true, I hope you are all here to kneel before me.
>Ferri and Crusch-sama make children
>One of them is on Ferri's lap
>Says his/her first word while looking at Ferri
>Is how Sekhmet appraises Subaru, in pitying voice.
>The silent witches make no action to refute Sekhmet's mutters.
>The WITCH OF SLOTH had made an incredibly apt judgement.
>For Subaru's visage presently was that of a small, weak, pitiable child.
So the massive breakdown finally happened huh?
>Ferri and Crusch-sama make children
>Ferri swears to give them a good life while remembering how Fourier-sama and Crusch-sama gave him a good life
>Subaru: “If I were smarter, had more ability, spent myself more liberally, placed myself at risk in the lead... we would've avoided it.”
>The dolour and despair from back then remained binding Subaru always.
>And so Subaru had elected, without relying on anyone, to continue being wounded fighting solo.
>Doing so was the most correct course, is what he had believed.
>Subaru: “I have to believe... I have to believe there's some way I can do something...”
>Believe that RETURN BY DEATH is a means that will solve everything.
>Believe that if he could just use it well, he could end this without losing anything.
>Believing this ethic, instructing himself of that, and so being wounded were all necessary. If he did not convince himself this was true, how could he possibly confront that despair again?
Must suck to feel this powerless.
>Ferri and Crusch-sama make children
>Ferri's shitty mother comes to see them
>Maybe even tries to abduct one
>Subaru kneels before Rem, who was sitting in a chair, while saying these words. He faces towards her and reaches out with his hand. What those fingers reached were her stomach――and he understood that this sensitive girl’s stomach, Rem, was now bigger. She was pregnant with another being.
>[Subaru: Our child is right in here. Just how much of it is my energy, I wonder.]
I think theres chance for a neutral end. Like a goodbye and being sent back to his world.
I dont think tappei would be happy just having suburu die being cucked out of his purpose in the end.
He'd at least establish something major or die in succeeding in his role.
It will end with Subaru descending into madness and fucking up the world in the process, causing broken, love-crazed Emilia go back in time to save her husbando, restarting the whole story from
>No punished Subaru in the LN
I get that Minerva is kinda in the crossfire here, but Subaru had little choice in what to do with his power.
Subaru did nothing wrong
I want to see that too
Subaru is a reincarnated / body stolen Flugel, who in turn was deeply in love with Satella, leading to Subaru's fetish for silver haired girls, as well as his attraction to Emilia, right?
What would she gain from making a hostage in this situation?
Also he has both of his eyes. But i guess that kinda makes sense? If he did not strangle Roswaal out of anger. And i think if you both punched hard enough, that you'd lose your freaking eyes, you'd die real easy, or get some seriou brain damage. So the missing eye was perhaps a bit much.
>What would she gain from making a hostage in this situation?
I don't know, maybe she just wants to kill her in front of Subaru, or Petra was somewhere else and just showed up.
Subaru is asking all those questions but he isn't trying to understand Satella, he is running away from that because he is too drowned in self-pity that he wants to be the one who needs to be understood, really a child.
All this rant makes me think that all this development since arc 3 seems "artificial", like, in a more fundamental way he still the same coward Subaru as always, but was creating a shell to hide that, which explains why he is trying to burden everything by himself, this is something I don't like about him.
>He cannot keep standing here. He keeps standing here, and his breathing will reach her. His fingertips will reach her. If he fails to open distance between her in this juncture where his reason is still holding back his instinct, all breaks are off. And should that happen, Subaru will drown to LOVE.
>Shaking his head, swinging his arm, Subaru pulls his attention away from her hot, entangling gaze. But nevertheless, the feverish pounding in his chest shows absolutely no signs of stopping.
>Blatantly rejecting her, displaying such open disgust, and stricken with this truth is Subaru, who Satella faces by standing exactly stock-still as before. Her invisible face, a veil of darkness enveloping her expression. He can't discern it. Shouldn't be able to comprehend it, but he inadvertently understand that his words have just hurt Satella, and probably she cast her gaze down. His heart thinks its desire to gently stroke her hair, speak words to ease her pained face, whisper loves to her and make her smile.
>And although he denies it this much, his heart continues to urge that he LOVE Satella.
Subaru is more thirsty for Satella then Betelgeuse was.
In arc 3 he gained the will to keep trying, it didn't entirely fix his self doubt at all.
Arc 4 gave him more despair and made him want to try and sacrifice himself for the sake of others, finally coming to think that perhaps he should just abuse his power and not give a damn about himself.
I think those are not all the illustration pages for the volume, from the anon who posted then. Or are they? I mean they introduced a bunch of witch designs and we didn't get to see a single one in any of then.
Yeah, he wants to keep trying, but doesn't understand the way to be better, he thinks that if he is crying to his beloved ones he is being weak, and that pretending to be strong and hiding in a shell just like he did with the memeboy facade in arc 2 will fix that.
Of course, it's not like he didn't improve, he is using logic more times than before, but still he is fundamentally the same, and will not definitely really improve if he doesn't realise that.
Well they introduced Lewes' design for volume 10 and she didn't appear in any illustrations then. But I guess there could be one or two missing (we only have 7 + the 2 colour pages + the witch designs, I think there's usually more?)
If the volume does really end at Emilia's possession (which seems likely given what we're seeing) then I'd be surprised if that wasn't illustrated.
>Subaru flings his distrust for his heart, failing to abide his will, at Satella. His heart, which was abruptly now showing reactions wholly beyond his understanding. If this witch and her supernatural powers were interfering with his powerful emotions, that was overwhelmingly horrifying.
>Twisting people's hearts to suit her will—that was a deed abhorrent, less than human
I feel sorry for her
She's a strong girl. She'll manage.
> he isn't trying to understand Satella
Can you blame him? to his eyes she´s a yandere all powerful abomination that his body is wanting to love, the person that bringed him to this world in the first place and an stranger completely obsessed with him
>All this rant makes me think that all this development since arc 3 seems "artificial", like, in a more fundamental way he still the same coward Subaru as always
doesn´t he say this over and over? that he is just trying to be Rem´s hero but that he fails to do so over and over?
Right after Minerva talks about Subaru's way being more sickening then anything else.
>Subaru couldn't give a crap about their emotionalities right now.
Subaru: “Sickening... unrepaid...?”
right after this he explodes and lets it all out. He is not wrong though about himself. He really thinks all he is good for is taking on everything by himself. Subaru is not searching for the optimal route but for the best one. It's also this that Subaru cannot accept Echidna.
But right now, he is just trowing a tantrum.
>this is something I don't like about him.
Why not? It makes him a much more human and realistic character. Subaru is weak and pathetic. Always has been and will be for the foreseeable future. You can't just conjure up bravery.
>Can you blame him? to his eyes she´s a yandere all powerful abomination that his body is wanting to love, the person that bringed him to this world in the first place and an stranger completely obsessed with him
Yes, you can. He is just trowing all of his anger onto her, because it's easy. Subaru himself is aware that he understand nothing but has to right to judge Satella? right now, he is in the wrong.
>But right now, he is just trowing a tantrum.
A completely justified one. He is just barely keeping his shit together and he's been on the brink of giving up completely about a dozen times already, then these non-human bitches with superhuman capabilities and mental fortitude come up to him and start deriding him for struggling forward in the only way he can.
>He is just trowing all of his anger onto her, because it's easy. Subaru himself is aware that he understand nothing but has to right to judge Satella? right now, he is in the wrong.
Considering the amount of bullshit she's imposed on him, yes, he has every fathomable right to judge Satella. Not that you need any right to judge others. Life's not a competition of perceived moral validity.
Subaru embraced the new life Satella gave himm so he can't fault her for that even if his life here has been one of constant suffering. And instead of trying the understand the pne person who brought you here and gave you the means of saving the people you saved. He explodes and rages to her rejecting every warm emotion that he recieves from her like "sweet poison"
I dont think anyone can really blame suburu for feeling the way he does. I think its a little unfair for him to be copping such heat for his emotions/actions in this case.
But I do agree that he needs to push through that and see whats clearly in front of him. He's got a chance to ask some real questions to Satella, this might be in his mind, the ONLY chance to speak to the sane side of the Witch.
If he uses it to blame her then nothing will change.
Also poor Satella, she just wants her husbandu to notice her and he's mentally blocking her in fear.
Are you mad? You have every right to judge her.
You didn't ask to come there, you may embrace the idea or something, but in the end you were still forced to come and out of nowhere too.
The only way that would be true is if Satella did not bring him there.
>He explodes and rages to her rejecting every warm emotion that he recieves from her like "sweet poison"
The same being that has killed your waifu, killed you, brought upon you unimaginable suffering and who has insane cultists who comatose'd your other waifu and have rained shit on you, suddenly appears in front of you and tells you she loves you. Subaru's reaction makes perfect fucking sense. Everyone else around him is just completely abnormal, not even human.
>Can you blame him? to his eyes she´s a yandere all powerful abomination that his body is wanting to love, the person that bringed him to this world in the first place and an stranger completely obsessed with him
Yes I can, just like I said, he isn't trying to understand her to understand what is happening to him, he is being selfish and weak, and being like that will not accomplish anything.
>doesn´t he say this over and over? that he is just trying to be Rem´s hero but that he fails to do so over and over?
And that's exacly why he is failing to realise a path to be someone better, 'I want to be like that because I need to be Rem's hero' is just an excuse, it's an artificial way because he doesn't know anything better, and for that, first he needs to understand that being strong doesn't not imply that he can't cry or share his suffering with others, and that he needs to understand what others think too.
You're misunderstood, I'm not saying that he is a bad character, it's the opposite, he is a good character. The fact that I can discuss his character like that is already good enough.
And he made the questions to try to understand this, but Satella didn´t answer many
I do believe that he should get a hold of himself, but he´s not in the wrong
>Subaru embraced the new life Satella gave him
you do have a point that, nobody asked him to to use RbD at all, he merely chose to do so after meeting Emilia
However Subaru is in this world in the first place because of her
She still doesn't seem like much of a conversationalist. Also the other witches aren't helping by not really explaining anything about her. And then the final thing is what he brought up at the end, he does not have time for this bullshit.
>You're misunderstood, I'm not saying that he is a bad character, it's the opposite, he is a good character. The fact that I can discuss his character like that is already good enough.
Then why do you not like that part of him? Do you dislike his weakness? His overly emotional nature? Subaru is a foolish weakling, but still he trudges on against everything. As a character he's much like Shinji. A beta bitchboy who still steps up and gets shit done.
>he is being selfish and weak, and being like that will not accomplish anything.
>he has his own nature and personality and having those will not accomplish anything
So what's he supposed to do then? Transform himself into a hero like Reinhard?
Correct me if I am wrong but she never killed him. The one rule that she set on RBD was not talk about it, that's just his stupid fault without knowing the full extent of the consequences.
Yes, blame her cultists on Satella.
If you think about it the whole From Zero moment in the third arc is never meant to be a final and permanent solution to begin with.
It was essentially one broken person give another broken person advice. What Subaru needed and needs more than anything right now to make something out of this push into the right direction was/is to have someone accompany him, hold his hand. This role was fulfilled by Rem. It's even expressed directly in the dialogue "I'm watching you ( Emilia ), you ( Rem ) are watching me, so I won't look down".
Subaru is lacking this pillar of support, you could say he is basically a blind person who was told the direction he should head to but is now left all by himself to find his way to his destination.
So I can totally understand his current development which isn't a linear and positive one but hey that's only human. Actual development isn't a linear one and especially not always a positive one. It stagnates, it progresses backwards or even stops entirely.
To me this whole matter in arc 4 shows that as good as Rem's advice and role as his pillar of support was on the first look, the dependency created by it is somewhat Subaru's downfall now. He hasn't really found his way to make it out of this deep hole by himself but still desperately holds onto this idea to be led by someone.
Because of that I fully understand this reaction and actually love the direction this takes.
She never once killed him, but she did kill Emilia once, hurt him pretty badly to keep him shut, and consumed everyone in sanctuary.
Also how in the fuck is he supposed to know the rules?
You're absolutely right. But remember in most of their perspectives they dont really care what happens to him or his choices here.
It's a spectacle at best for a few of them, Minerva is only going all out because she and Satella were besties. Echnida just wants to ensure her/the dreams safety AND THEN suburu to work with her.
And he is going to notice that he is in the wrong too later on in this arc. He reached his lowest point again, from which he is going to rise up again. He will always be Subaru, but he will improve over time. Like how after this he is going to try and understand Satella.