Does Suzaku end up forgiving Lelouch?

>>151224428
Because Friendship is magic .IMO you can say Suzaku sorta felt regret after what they had been through and teared for him

>>151224428
Go be a retard somewhere else Suzakurager

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>>151224428
It's a common Japanese trope.
You can't even count the times Kenshiro felt sad or outright cried after killing a villain, even when they were genocidal psychopaths.

After they are dead all anger dissipates and awareness of their plight is the only thing that remains.

>>151224795
I didn't even much care for Suzaku's character
it's just comforting to see them friends again in the end

>>151224428
He and Lelouch made up during the 3 month timeskip

http://code-geass.livejournal.com/1439683.html

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>>151225342
that's heartwarming

>>151224519
Not really, he just realized how much of a dumbass he had been and there was no fixing the world from the inside out. He more or less conceeded the only way to actually change things for the best was lelouch getting his hands dirty for him.

>>151226366
Wrong on all accounts retard

>>151226366
>>151226809
i dont think anyone can really say if that's right or wrong, the show ends there and we dont get any more information regarding this other than suzaku's teary face close-up at the end

>>151226809
If you're going by just what we learned from the show Suzaku snapped when he began to realize he was being stupid an naive from the start.

>>151227042
Wrong again

>>151227225
nice counter arguement

>>151227042
What is it with Suzakurager and his obession over lying about shit?

>>151227264
He didn't watch the show apparently

>>151227301
I've seen the show multiple times.

>>151227264
Suzakurager does care about being right or wrong he just wants to put his autistic hatred of a character to light.

>>151225342
Jesus, CLAMP's artwork is gay as fuck

>>151226809
>>151227225
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he even come out and say exactly that: that he was being naive? It was when they were playing pool and he asks schneizel to make him the knight of one and secede the emperor

>>151224428
They would have made up if Lelouch would have stopped yelling at him for being in soup

>>151227785
No, how about you actually watch the show next time.

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>>151227921
Let me rephrase that, I KNOW that you're wrong because I just watched the episode last night
I literally made this just now for you

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>>151228406

>>151228406
>>151228447
>gg

Kek

>>151228406
>>151228447
rekt

>>151227921
You're retarded.

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>>151228406
>>151228447
>gg

And you obviously didn't know given we had to wait for you to scramble and find the episode. Better luck next time Rager
>>151228643
No need to samefag Rager

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>>151228933
I'm not the same guy you dumb faggot, I just wanted to point out how stupid you are

Just admit you were wrong, close the thread, and move on, stop desperately trying to save face

>>151229067
You do realize you can turn off and on that function right? Also
>IP count didn't change

You're just making it worse for yourself

>>151229067
>save face
You have to prove someone wrong before they can do that.

>>151229067
You should, never actually respond to someone who's literally that delusional. Literal proof, shoved right into his fucking face, and they have the audacity to just say "lmao that's wrong u mad kid"

>>151229264
>they have the audacity to just say "lmao that's wrong u mad kid"
He didn't even say that, he just skirted around it by saying the other guy had to scramble to find the episode "so he didn't know it all along, hah! gotcha!"

How come Suzaku's still bitter at Lelouch, even after he realises he was being naive the whole time?

also, can someone explain who exactly is suzakurager?

>>151229264
>>151229331
>IP Count didn't move

>>151229363
>How come Suzaku's still bitter at Lelouch, even after he realises he was being naive the whole time?
There's this little thing about Lelouch killing Euphie, lying out his ass and being responsible for the death of other characters. Nothing major at all

Name for autists like you who sperg out whenever Suzaku gets brought up i.e. his detractors.

>>151229373
IP count bumped up from 11 to 12 at this post
>>151228406
Unless you have some way to prove it didn't, but everyone knows you're just trying to dodge the issue which is this:

>>151226366
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>>151227785
>>151227921
>>151228406
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>>151229467
>IP count bumped up from 11 to 12 at this post
Cool lie Rager, it was actually this post>>151228933 you've just been samefaging this whole time.

>>151229363
>How come Suzaku's still bitter at Lelouch after he killed Euphie?

Gee I dunno?

What does /a/ think is going to happen in S3?

>>151229544
Actually it was this >>151227785, that's my bad

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>Suzaku haters still exist

Either retards or disgruntled Kallenfags at this point.

>>151229467
What fucking issue? Someone said that Suzaku conceeded he was being naive by trying to change things from the inside, and some fucking sperg said he was wrong. Then was proven a liar by actual dialogue, from the actual show, of YES the actual Suzaku saying that he was being naive by trying to change things from the inside.

There is no issue, this is literally an open and shut discussion.
tl;dr kys

>>151229921
>IP count didn't move

>>151229921
>Then was proven a liar by actual dialogue, from the actual show
Once again
>gg

>>151229921
The issue here is that you're wrong and that you're using gg subs as evidence.

>>151229994
I've made 4 posts including this one. Try to guess.

>>151230041
What is this? Are you ESL? What is the point you're trying to get across with these kinds of responses? Suzaku admits himself that he was naive, and proving this makes someone a suzakurager or whatever kind of retarded ass buzzword you made up?

>>151230188
>I've made 4 posts including this one.
Awesome lie bro

>>151230141
I actually didn't screencap those, what's the script in japanese then? Can you post it?

>>151229685
>>151229461
BRO IT WAS AN ACCIDENT

>>151230141
what's wrong with gg/thora?

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>>151230188
Yep! If you're looking for good reliable subs look no further than gg
>>151230328
Are you new?

>>151230417
You still haven't posted the script.

>>151230516
Youre sucking gg's dick to save face at this point

>>151230417
maybe
so i assume you're posting an example. A mistranslated sentence from some show which in your opinion disqualifies a sub group as valid source for all other shows too.

>>151230417
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Suzaku's response at the end makes perfect sense if you understand that people can feel more than one emotion at a time. Unfortunately much of /a/ cannot understand this.

>>151230328
It's a common damage control response when proved wrong to whine about the subs. If it's OZC complain that they are dubtitles. If it's gg complain that they are meme subs. Etc.

Don't bother replying to these people. A rational person would post their own superior proof, which they absolutely will not do, because they have no proof. They are in full damage control mode and therefore should be ignored.

>>151230652
>>151230720
>Bad subtitles are suddenly good because they align with my response
Speaking of damage control

>>151230720
>Suzaku's response at the end makes perfect sense if you understand that people can feel more than one emotion at a time.
Dude, fuck off. The whole purpose of Rager's response was to just admit that Suzaku was a dumbass for following his belief. He doesn't give a shit about the circumstances that made sense just that he finally backed down for entirely different reasons.

>>151225342
That doesn't look like Lelouch thinks he's immortal and that's written by Okouchi, so he was probably brought back from the death, then?

>Suzaku is my one and only friend

Fuck. Imagine how much pain he went through fighting him?

>>151231340
>Titled Lelouch of the Resurrection

No shit. Even during the Birthday Picture Drama he had to pull some strings with the World of C to briefly come back.

>>151231340
Okouchi said he died.

>>151224428
They became friends for real due to collaborating on Zero Requiem after having experienced each other's worst traits, so you could say progress was made.

>>151231518
>Okouchi said he died

He said that he was killed. Not that he died. People with Codes don't die when they are killed.

>>151231794
>People with Codes
Not this shit again

>>151231340
If Lelouch is actually straight-up brought back from the dead then the story has no chance of being good. I wholeheartedly hope they won't cross that line.

>>151231968
Dude the code theory is the only twist that can make sense and make way for a sequel. If they are going to resurrect him literally from death then it will most likely shit. After all they can resurrect euphy, shirley and other dead ones as well.

>>151235590
>they can resurrect euphy, shirley

I don't know, I would have mixed feelings about that.

>>151232549
>>151235590
>>151235752
Final boss Clovis confirmed. He was taken too soon for his master plan.

>>151235590
>the code theory
Fanfic bullshit is not a good twist

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>>151229824
Homolust will be ramped up.

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It really starts here. You can feel it in your chest; your throat starts to seize up. You're remembering the entire series of events up to this point. But this is fine, you can hold back the tears with this.

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But now you're just fooling yourself. At most your eyes are blurry, maybe a tear or two is dripping down your cheek.

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And finally the irony sets in. The crowd is totally unaware of what just went down, and so cheer the name of Zero. But you know what's really going on, and above the roar of the crowd you can hear that shrill scream. True despair rings in your ears.

And if you aren't crying like a little girl at this point, you really have no soul.

We all seem to be ignoring the real question, the true question that should be asked about R3, really, the only question that matters: will Lelouch actually ride a fucking horse this time?

>>151229467
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>>151227225
>>151226809

I love when niggers are so fucking wrong they just start flinging memesubs and autism insults in any direction they can.

>>151228406
Jolly good show.

>>151224428
>riding a horse bareback
Ouch.

>>151243714
Suzaku has no dick. In fact nobody in Code Geass has a dick.

POST IT.

>>151243822
Do you still recognize that bulge?

>>151242268
>please open your eyes
If only Lelouch had a dollar for every time he thought that about Nunnally.

>>151243896
I shall never forget that bulge.

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>>151242746
>gg

This triggers the Suzakurager

I think Suzaku fina-fucking-lly starting to work with Lelouch, and proceeding to outplay the whole world, was the most satisfying set of events of the series.

>>151245802
No. Lelouch becoming Emperor was the most satisfying set of events.

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>>151246419
Well, one does literally accompanies the other within a few minutes.

You're right though.

>>151246554
True, but I was done with Suzaku when the end of the first season rolled around. His obsession with Euphemia and his refusal to attempt to understand anything about Lelouch; supposedly his best friend, just pissed me off.

>>151242746
When people act like that in what you quoted you know they are probably following headcannon or trolling

>>151246694
To be fair, I feel like people really understate how much something like Euphinator would fuck you up. I mean, he didn't just kill her, which would be bad enough, he made her go down in history as the genocide princess, genocide against Suzaku's people.

Not only that, but Lelouch never bothered to even give a hint that it wasn't intentional before the death of Charles. Suzaku only figured it out at the Kururugi Shrine when Lelouch lied unconvincingly about it.

>>151247030
Not that I can't sympathize with Suzaku, I just didn't. I thnk the relationship between Suzaku and Lelouch suffered at the hands of typical Japanese / anime tropes. The refusal to even attempt to comprehend what went wrong with your friend (Suzaku's error) or to really try and level with him (Lelouch's error) and just let things be with "lol misunderstandings" made it all the more unbearable.

>>151247369
Yeah, it really all comes down to the good old "old misunderstanding"

Also, unrelated, but I'd forgotten how great the second ending theme of R2 was.

>>151246694
>why don't people try to understand poor Lelouch ;_;
When Lelouch isn't hiding things from people and outright making them comply to his demands, he magically expects people to just fall in line regardless of whatever. The guy was ridiculously egocentric and his enigmatic character confuses those around him.

Suzaku has his faults but it was reasonable to be incensed of Lelouch's bullshit. But because Lelouch is his friend, he's torn. At the shrine scene, he grasps Lelouch better.

>>151247030
>Not only that, but Lelouch never bothered to even give a hint that it wasn't intentional before the death of Charles.


What would be the point? There was a small to no chance that Suzaku would feel any better. Lelouch even explained that everything he did he didn't want to be in vain such as Euphie. When he confronted Charles Suzaku also realized that Lelouch was in one way protecting the japan and the world against an oppressor like the emperor who was going to force geass on everyone.

After being emperor of the world Euphie looked pretty small in comparison.

>>151247465
I always forget how great the soundtrack for R1 and R2 is overall. One half is pretty mediocre but the other half just fucking nails it, especially when it's well timed.

This from R1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ybY00x49B4

And this from R2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D78KGXUWCos

>>151247724
I never expected anything from any of side characters, like folks from The Order of Black Knights, but outright ignorance from your best friend just doesn't sit right with me.

Lelouch was in the wrong too, but with Suzaku it seemed more self-centered. That is of course until the shrine scene in R2 I agree, but I don't think it really clicked for him until the use of FLEIJA during the Tokyo battle. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, that's when he lost his naivety

Suzaku's stubbornness seemed perfectly understandable to me given he had no clue of Lelouch's plans until near the end.

The second time I watched the show through he irritated me a little but only because I knew what was going to happen in the end anyway and he could have made things so much easier.

>>151247970
>Lelouch was in the wrong too


Kinda a gray area seeing how he was at war with a very oppressive force. He definately wasn't without blood on his hands but compared to what he was up against... I dunno if I can say all his methods were wrong

>>151248785
I simply meant in the wrong with regards to how he approached the challenges in his friendship with Suzaku.

>>151248832
Ah okay my bad

>>151247970
I don't know, would you just assume your friend made his little sister and your girlfriend commit genocide by accident? Does that make everything okay given what he had done to her? Suzaku knows much of Lelouch. He knows he wants to take down Britannia. He knows he'll do it by any means necessary, which Suzaku is opposed to. He knows he's not above killing his own kin. It adds up. Given Lelouch's character, one who shrouds himself in lies, I can't blame anyone for either not understanding or not even bothering. To put trust in him is an act of faith, not reason.

I don't think Suzaku was naive, just stubbornly insistent on doing things the 'right' way because of past hangups and silly things like compassion and the sanctity of life. The longer it goes on and more difficult it gets, the more he finds himself slipping from that path. Then tens of millions of people + supposed Nunnally get nuked and he's like "Fuck it. If I want to change the world and things are going to be this way, I should at least get favorable results."

>>151247030
Also Euphinator fucked over Suzaku's dream. He genuinely thought that with Euphie his "change from the inside" was finally getting underway, and then, whoops.

No normal person would be able to get past the incident.

>>151249151
cont.
I think Suzaku adopting Lelouch's principles meant he believed he had nothing more to lose. Lelouch's own principles resulted in a lot of suffering for himself, so maybe Suzaku had a point. So I don't see it as a "You finally get it, Lelouch was right" moment, things had just escalated to that point.

I heard there was supposed to be something related to the event and the new sequel to be released on December 23rd. What is it? Is it gonna be the PV shown at the event?

>>151238452
Shut up idiot, as if you have a better one.

>>151250074
>Is it gonna be the PV shown at the event?

I can't think of anything else it could be.

>>151250412
The reveal that the series starts with Lelouch's death after a century of wandering?

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>>151228447
BTFO!

>>151224428
Lelouch doesnt need that shitlord suzaku forgiveness and he would never ask for something as insignificant

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>>151251104
Right. He'd rather ask for the Suzaku cock.

>>151251104
hey I liked Suzaku

also, he was one of lelouch's only real friends, I think it's fair to say he felt some affection towards him

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>>151251104
Lelouchfags never learn.

>>151251273
>>151251222
>>151251208
Suzaku is always wrong even when he's right.

That's how much of an imbecile he is.

>>151251311
But that's part of why they're the greatest combination. Lelouch is the ultimate brain, while Suzaku is the ultimate brawn. Together, they can accomplish anything.

If Suzaku wasn't kinda dumb, it would actually ruin everything.

>>151251311
>:(

>>151251311
More like how deluded Lelouch fans are. Can't handle people not wanting to suck his virgin cock.

>>151251311
>>151251104
Suzakufags are as self-righteous as their shitty self-insert.
This will only trigger them.

>>151251444
>Can't handle people not wanting to suck his virgin cock.
and is there something wrong with his virgin cock? Lelouch carried the show.

But Suzaku was definitely an important character and to say he was just an idiot who ruined everything is a bit dumb

>>151229844
I thought he was just generally disliked?

>>151251390
>ultimate cunt
FTFY

Suzaku has a cameltoe.

>>151229844
>Either retards or disgruntled Kallenfags at this point.
Such delusion. Suzaku is eternally shit in every possible aspect.

Worthless from bodyguard to boyfriend, worst friend, cant even fake Zero cus his cover is blown by R3 first episode.

>>151251579
I liked the character, but hate the blind fanboyism around them that makes people whitewash him and shit on other characters because he's the protagonist/self-insert.

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>>151248785
>He definately wasn't without blood on his hands but compared to what he was up against... I dunno if I can say all his methods were wrong
Then you're a fucking idiot because the show itself tells you that his methods were wrong and ultimately pointless given that he lost everything as a result and the very person he was doing it for was behind all the bad shit he was behind. Suzaku was doing his best in a bad situation and Lelouch literally fucked it all up almost destroying their friendship.

>>151251871
So retard confirmed.

>>151252929
>the show itself tells you that his methods were wrong
>the very person he was doing it for was behind all the bad shit he was behind.
Are you having a stroke or something?

>>151252929
You already have screenshots from season 3 of Rick and Morty? Yo hook a brother up. That's my favorite anime

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>>151253132
>tfw everything all works out alright in the end
:))

>>151253163
You skipped a few steps here, I haven't said I was retarded yet.

>>151252929
> the show itself tells you that his methods were wrong and ultimately pointless
He wanted to create a world where Nunnally could live in peace, he achieved that and destroyed Britannia. He also basically saved everyone from their minds being all connected or be nearly mass murdered under Schnizel to be ruled in constant fear.

>he lost everything as a result and the very person he was doing it for was behind all the bad shit he was behind.

I think you are trying to say he lost everything he worked hard for, but in reality he didn't and accepted the fact he left the world in a way that it could move forward and his sister and bonus people from Ashford that lived could live happily in.

>Lelouch literally fucked it all up almost destroying their friendship.

His goal was never friendship I have no idea where you are getting that from.

>>151253196
It worked out the best it could given the alternatives the world of Code Geass was facing

>>151253208
You don't have to say your retarded your actions speak clear for themselves
>>151253212
>He wanted to create a world where Nunnally could live in peace,
No he wanted to discover the truth of his mothers death and bring down Britannia. He even failed at this because as Nunnally stated all she wanted was to be with him to in the end so he never truly actually understood anything.
> he achieved that and destroyed Britannia.
Britannia is still standing at the end so no he didn't.
> He also basically saved everyone from their minds being all connected or be nearly mass murdered under Schnizel to be ruled in constant fear.
And none of this were apart of his plan so I have no idea why you're bringing that up, he this came with the revelation that his original scenario was all for naught.
>I think you are trying to say he lost everything he worked hard for, but in reality he didn't and accepted the fact he left the world in a way that it could move forward and his sister and bonus people from Ashford that lived could live happily in.
Wrong and you're an idiot who can't read
>His goal was never friendship I have no idea where you are getting that from.
Jesus Christ stop posting. How one idiot can get so much wrong in one sitting is unimaginable.

>>151252929
It did work out in the end though.

>>151253408
Zero Requiem was hardly the original "master plan".

Zero Requiem was a self-serving masochistic outburst from two guys who tried to break out from the misdeeds of their pasts, spectacularly failed, lost all that they cared about in the process, and were ultimately crushed by their guilt. Lelouch could've saved the world through other means, but he pointedly demanded the option that results in his death. Check out the CLAMP Mutuality stories that Okouchi wrote.

>>151253407
>All you said.

Jesus Christ stop posting. How one idiot can get so much wrong in one sitting is unimaginable.

Like honestly it's kinda mind-boggling that you could misinterpret the narrative so completely.

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>>151253546
>When you cant prove a point just repeat what the other poster said.

>>151253407
>No he wanted to discover the truth of his mothers death and bring down Britannia.
He wanted both and did it. Nunally wanted something different from lelouch, but lelouch still achieved HIS goal.
>Britannia is still standing at the end so no he didn't.
After the Emperor died lelouch dismantled Britannia, this was explained. He basically gutted the whole system. He then conquered the world with use of FLEIGHA and ruled for a few months making sure all nations ruled under him. He made himself the biggest dictator to make sure the whole world was united AGAINST him.
>And none of this were apart of his plan so I have no idea why you're bringing that up, he this came with the revelation that his original scenario was all for naught.
I was having trouble understanding what you were typing because your sentence was barely legible. He still managed to do it, nunnally realized this as lelouch was dying.
>Wrong and you're an idiot who can't read
You type like you didn't even watch the series.
>Jesus Christ stop posting. How one idiot can get so much wrong in one sitting is unimaginable.
Show me where in the anime his ultimate goal was friendship. Unless you are referring to the "shoot off fireworks with everyone" line.

>>151253612
Everything you said can easily be shown to be false. Someone is probably gonna do it because you're baiting pretty hard right now. If you really want me to, I can give my take on your retardation. But you gotta say please.

>>151253715
>He wanted both and did it.
He didn't. Marianne was behind everything bad that happened to Lelouch and told him that what he had been fighting for was for naught.
>Nunally wanted something different from lelouch, but lelouch still achieved HIS goal.
He didn't achieve his goal because ZR wasn't his goal to begin with>>151253482 it came at the expense of him losing everything and it was the only way HE thought would make amends of his sins.
>stuff
None of that is destroying Britannia, Lelouch wanted it completely wiped out. Leaving it alive and in charge for his brother Schienzel and Nunnally to rule it and make it prosper was the last thing he had in mind.
>I was having trouble understanding what you were typing because your sentence was barely legible.
Nope you're just really fucking stupid.
>You type like you didn't even watch the series.
Ditto
>Show me where in the anime his ultimate goal was friendship.
Wow...you didn't understand a single thing I posted.

>>151253775
>Everything you said can easily be shown to be false.
Lelouch didn't achieve any of his goals
No amount of loopholing will change this fact

>>151253928
3/10 had me going for a bit there

>>151253612
Oh look, it's you again.

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>>151254039

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>>151254094
>/co/ thumbnails
>memegenerator

Okay that made me giggle a bit

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>>151225342
This is so gay that it made me moist.

>>151254094
>>>/v/

Suzaku would never forgive Lelouch for killing Euphie if the show was rational. But Suzaku killed his own father for dumbest reason possible so what would I know.

By Turn 21, all of Lelouch's main motivations (create a gentle world for Nunnally, revenge on his father, avenge his mother) were shot. Nunnally was "dead" and he learned his father and mother were in cahoots, they had acted out of their own twisted 'love' for their children. and everything he had done to that point was mere noise. In the face of armageddon. Suzaku has Lelouch face the truth of what he really wanted and Lelouch affirms his hope in the future, in a world where people can lie to achieve their heartfelt desires.

For Lelouch, it had never been about creating a peaceful world, but that lie was born from a desire in his heart to protect everything dear to him (Didn't his particular geass manifest from his desire for power? And he used that power to shape reality.). And that desire for happiness is shared by most people. What better to actualize that lie for the sake of all of humanity, not just his sister? She came back from the dead to oppose him and he had to impose his will on her too, for her own sake and for many others who would benefit.

There's a redemptive aspect to it and Lelouch lies to the end in a self-sacrificial manner (in his own way of doing, being an evil motherfucker), destroying the old world and himself with it to give birth to a new world.

https://youtu.be/A1NIbp1Fy68?t=25m10s

>>151256158
at 25:10 "Lelouch. I won't thank you. Your sins are that grave."

>>151256151
Honestly, when Lelouch chewed out Charles and Schneizel, he comes off as a humongous hypocrite. Shit, it was mad at Charles and Marianne for being bad parents more than anything else at that point.

>>151230417
To be fair, UTW did a shitty translation too. "Wanpisu" is a wasei-eigo term for a woman's dress, the way "pantsu" means panties or underwear. When you say "one piece" to an english speaker it sounds like you're talking about women's swimwear or a jumpsuit.

>>151250074
The entire event is gonna release on the 23rd, that includes the PV and the new picture drama.

>>151253196
No, since we get R3 something has to go wrong and the whole ending of R2 will have been pointless.

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The more I think about it, the more I realize FFXV is basically plot of Code Gayass R2.

>>151255983
>But Suzaku killed his own father for dumbest reason possible
Saying an entire race is dumb now?

>>151242392
You didn't mention the best part: The irony that the whole series he was saying he wanted to make a world she could be happy in and he ends up sacrificing the one thing she needed to be happy for the good of the world.

>>151259570
Yes somebody already pointed that out dumbass

>>151259594
The person I responded to didn't mention it. Don't have a tantrum.

>>151259570
It was heart breaking towards the end of the show knowing that him and Suzaku are the "real good guys" and that they had to fight all of their old friends who thought that they became insane. At least it was really a relief in the end that some people (Such as Nunnally and Kallen) realised that what they were doing was actually for a better world.

>>151242392
Why is Nunnally not in this frame?

>>151259962
Look harder.

>>151259962
She is hugging Lelouch

>>151259996
>>151260022
Thanks, I just didn't count the pixels hard enough

>>151260068
Its ok, have a nice day. :^)