What does it offer that no other medium does
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>>151183852
Nothing particularly, literally began watching it as a child because it was free and I couldn't afford movie tickets or renting movies.
Nothing anymore, I quit.
Nothing. I just hate 3DPD actors.
Live action can't do this kind of shit.
I don't watch anime.
I started watching anime because of their stories for girls, from historical stuff to sports to magical girls to romantic comedies. Even as a kid I preferred cute girls doing things like Sailor Moon to anime for boys like Dragon Ball.
Hand drawn animation
Cute girls
Good voice acting
No SJW pandering
Moe anthropomorphism
Nothing really. I'm going to consume everything worth consuming, then move to western TV and finally literature.
More fresh content, 30-50 new shows every 3 months
TV shows barely stretch over the whole year
Movies are basically nonexistent for the first half of the year
Vidya is basically a dead zone before the holiday season and peters out towards the beginning of spring
>>151184797
>skipping film
>>151183852
I just watch it because it's entertaining.
>>151184584
uh yeah it can
>>151183852
Hand drawn animation
No limits to genre or types of stories that are told
I love the designs
It's the funnest medium, in my opinion.
>>151183852
2D and a foreign environment provide a decidedly better source of escapism.
Just think if you were to watch a live action school set in your own country. You'd be probably reminded of your school life and it would be terrible.
The cliches used there don't annoy me as much as everywhere else, and it also has cute girls.
>>151184960
>no limits
You enjoying the dozens of moe & fujo anime with the same plot, if any plot at all, this season?
I only read manga like a true patrician. Anime fags need to be taken out behind a shed and shot.
>>151183852
Heavy escapism, vibrant visuals and sounds, attractive females, culture, and fun.
Escapism
Well, normal human facial expressions don't invoke empathic emotional responses in me due to some wiring problems in me noggin. However, which the exaggerated, over the top characterization found in anime, I find it very easy to emotionally connect with characters and respond with genuine emotional responses when the barrier that normally isn't breached by other regular humans turns out to be no impediment for me when watching anime.
>Art and animation quality
>Good voice acting
>Constant new content
>Doujins/Fan work is actually good
>Cute girls are cuter
>Easily accessible
>No limits on setting, genre, or plot
There are good western shows and films, but they are few in an ocean of shit. Television shows that air nowadays lack substance, lack good actors, spout memes, and promote SJW garbage. Not to mention adverts everywhere (not really a problem when streaming shows.)
It ultimately comes down to a lack of interest in the subject of the shows. Half the shit is generic crime/hospital drama, and when its not its crap like big meme theory or mellowdrama. If you're going to be into western media, the way to go is /lit/. But even then, there are tons of horrible writers.
Similar could technically be said of anime, there are a lot of really bad shows. But at the same time, there are plenty of great shows. Which leads to my point previously of better/more content.
Has anyone ever said they were healed by western media? This is also a big selling point. Shows like Aria, Flying Witch, Amanchu, etc. can't be replicated successfully in other forms. It simply won't provide the same feeling.
Our guy already answered this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRe612LFvs
>>151185325
>Has anyone ever said they were healed by western media? This is also a big selling point. Shows like Aria, Flying Witch, Amanchu, etc. can't be replicated successfully in other forms. It simply won't provide the same feeling.
Huh, didn't think about this
Back when I got into them, Anime seemed like the next step from the American cartoons I was watching. I still loved the stuff on CN and Kids WB, but Anime had more emotion, drama, and more interesting designs/animation. There was slim pickings when it came to action cartoons that weren't superhero related.
At the moment, Anime doesn't wow me visually as much as it used to but I still enjoy it. Even now it offers a variety that US shows just don't bother to. Its even worse now that it used to be for western action cartoons, its like they just decided to just bring Anime over and stop making any themselves (Other than Superheroes or existing franchises). Which sucks because I do love a lot of American cartoons and wish there was more variety.
>>151184797
Every medium has its strengths and weaknesses; anyone who doesn't realize this isn't capable of appreciating animation to anywhere near its full extent and wouldn't be capable of appreciating literature, for which much of its strength comes down the quality of its prose, to anywhere near its full extent either. Ideally, a story should be told in whichever medium would benefit that story the most heavily. Literature doesn't have music or animation, though one benefit is that it's so cheap to produce that its infinitely more varied and experimental than anime or film.
>>151185158
>dozens
You mean handful?
There's maybe four of each airing right now
And none of them have similar plots
>>151185214
San a cute. CUTE!
More creative stories than film. More engaging than manga/literature. Better looking than comics.
TV is just a worse film.
I like older american science fiction and horror, before quips and memes and before sjw. The 90s were a magical time.
Anime is also something I grew up with and been exposed to since early childhood.
>>151183852
>Why do you watch anime
Because it does things western media won't attempt.
>What does it offer that no other medium does
Mecha. Mahou Shoujo. Serialized drama that isn't a shitty procedural or Game of Thrones clone. Reaction shots. Comedy and drama at the same time. 2D Animation.
>>151185701
Your statement is true. Except when it comes to animation, is has far more pros than cons. About the only thing I can think of that live action does better than animation is just that, being live action. The people who prefer 'realism' and live actors will prefer live action.
But when it comes to the actual content of a show, pretty much any show can be made in animation. With many of them being added by a much larger level of suspension of disbelief. A scifi, fantasy or superhero type story definitely works better in animation than live action. About the only genre I can think of that may work better in live action is westerns or historical period pieces, since they are so tied to cliches and settings which were real (even if the story content is totally ridiculous like in Bonanza or Brisco County Jr.)
>>151183952
Did they fuck?
>>151185325
>Has anyone ever said they were healed by western media?
Many people, including my dad. But they're just being fooled. I've seen my dad go from an active sports nut who never wanted to be in the house to an old man who just sits in a chair and watches TV for 14 hours a day. And the things he watches just keeps getting progressively darker and more angry. He's been binge watching all of The Blacklist this week. I don't understand the American obsession with wanting to watch pain and anger on TV. I watch anime to get away from that shit.
Anime possess abstraction that is impossible to achieve in live-action.
>>151183852
A level of stylistic presentation Western film and animation don't provide. See >>151183952
A culture based upon inclusionary metacommentary where the more you know about the medium, the more you can enjoy it. For example, one of my favourite series, Monogatari is based around taking tropes and conventions from different genres of anime and subverting them until they become something new. When you're already familiar with the way those tropes and conventions were originally, seeing new versions of them is enjoyable and interesting. But for an outsider seeing them, they probaly won't even understand what makes them different in the first place. The entire sub-medium of LNs is based around this concept, but half of them suck at executing it, and none of them do it as well as Monogatari. Regardless, this kind of culture only exists to the sheer extent it does in anime and its surrounding media.
An optimised format and scheduling plan. Anime having episodes which are 20-30 minutes in length and series which are most usually only 10-30 episodes forces creators to tightly structure their stories and maximise the amount of important content in each episode and cour. Unlike the 40-50 minute episode lengths and indefinitely long series of most Western shows, which allows creators to be lazy with structuring and encourages pointless filler scenes and arcs to be inserted to pad episodes and series out. The well organised seasonal scheduling of anime encourages discussion, comparison and analysis of each new batch of shows that come out. The unorganised, network-based scheduling of American shows in particular only causes confusion over when exactly new seasons are supposed to start.
>>151183852
Cute girls with large breasts doing badass things
>>151183852
I just like cartoons.
>>151186155
Horror works much better in live action, a physical prop or mask with real shadows will always look better than a cg one. It's also something the actors can react to, if they are physically close to something uneasy you can get more genuine reactions.
If you want to do horror in animation you need more talent and effort, and you need to use all the tricks in the book to slowly build up pressure.
>>151186354
Probably.
No cable. Only have HBO go. No netflix. What else am I supposed to do?
>>151183852
animation offers the ability to do things no other medium could acomplish even if it tried. many of the best anime series that if done as a movie or video game would come ab=cross as rediculously retarded. for example the final battle of gurren lagann where the two mechas are fighting on top of a galaxy can only work in anime as the best example. oh and the fanservice, not even in porn will you find tits that jiggle as beautifully as anime doesit
>>151186601
HAHAHAHA. Holy fuck you're autistic. It's just cartoons.
40-50 minute shows do not encourage writers to become lazy. They're 40-50 minutes long for a reason you faggot.
>>151186601
i love monogatari, where can i read more about it?
>>151183852
It offers me a chance to be a weeb and pretend I know Japanese
>>151186715
anonymous gay encounters in roadside bathroom facilities?
>>151186601
Huh, I never thought about it that way.
>>151186752
>Holy fuck you're autistic
Son, do you have any fucking clue what neighborhood you're in right now?
>>151183852
Neat bite sized episodes and stories that are different from your common western show, many of them which I enjoy. In short because I like it.
>>151186702
Well to be fair, I'm not counting CG animation. You could do many things in horror in 2D that you can't do in 3D. But of course, making it impacting to the viewer is another thing. Most horror seems to be a self insert thing.
>>151186388
>I don't understand the American obsession with wanting to watch pain and anger on TV.
The problem is it's just pain and anger, without a full emotional range. The horror scenes in Evangelion work because we get to see all the emotional buildup from a "normal" day at work to survival mode, as well as what happens to a person after surviving. Constant grimdark without ups and downs simply makes for a bad story.
>>151186601
Show lengths have nothing to do with padding. A show like The West Wing was 47 minute episodes and filled each episode to the brim with content. While a show like NCIS is just 40 minutes of filler and a few formulaic character quips in between.
Anime also has plenty of series full of filler. See Bee Train, GONZO and Shaft.
>>151186752
>40-50 minute shows do not encourage writers to become lazy
>80% of all US television is hamfisted criminal procedural bullshit that follows a set pattern
>>151187018
I agree, but it goes a little farther than that. Some shows like Breaking Bad actually attempted to show a transition. But people didn't watch the show to see character development. They just care about that 5 minutes of violence and screaming. So plenty of western shows these days are nothing but angst and rage. And they are sadly getting higher ratings than the few good shows. Its part of the reason shitty reality TV was so big for about 15 years. It was literally nothing but people yelling at each other.
>What does it offer that no other medium does
The animation, obviously?
What kind of retarded question is this.
>>151187092
Not really. That's basic cable shit tbqh. There are a lot of other channels out there ya'know such as AMC and HBO which have a far greater genre pool than criminal shit. Actually, name 5 criminal shows if it's 80%. I can only think of 3, which are even subsets of the same series.
>>151186792
Well, first you start with Ore Monogatari, then move on to Katanagatari, Umi Monogatari, and Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari
>>151187160
There are 5 different versions of NCIS. Let alone Elementary, Blue Bloods, Chicago Fire AND Police AND EMS, Hawaii Five-0, etc.
Anime tiddies.
>>151187088
Not saying that all 40-50 minute shows are poorly structured, and vice versa. It's perfectly possible to have a structure which is just right for 40-50 minutes, and structures which are terrible for 20-30 minutes. In a perfect world, all shows would be able to have whatever format fitted their structure best, whether that be 4 minute episodes or 4 hour episodes. But we're far from that perfect world, most shows are still expected to stick to an industry standard format, and I think 20-30 minutes is a better standard than 40-50 minutes in most cases.
>>151187138
Cause that's what people want. North American culture is a culture of rage and repression.
>>151187148
I wonder how much this stuff would cost in CGI for Hollywood? Tens, hundreds of thousands? A million?
>>151183852
Ubiquity of and cohesive access of its porn
>>151187397
>North American
>culture
>>151185214
>art is escapism
>>151187163
Okay, I chuckled at this post.
Also, rewatching Katanagatari at this moment actually, probably one of my favorite shows I could never recommend to anybody.
>>151187397
Mexico and Canada's content is very different from the US. Hollywood lives in a very isolated bubble and doesn't even know what people outside of LA and New York want. We just had an election that proved it. And Hollywood was still trying to influence electoral voters. These people are so delusional that they think the entire country follows them. When in reality the country is starting to fight against them.
>>151187638
>never recommend to anybody
Why not? It' an action series with nice stylish visuals.
it's shit
>>151183852
Because animation has more flexibility in terms of the setting it can portray without needing ridiculous budgets for realistic-ish CG compared to shows that are actually filmed. It has its strong points basically and there's no reason to ignore the medium. It's not like anime is the only thing I watch though.
Because why not?
>>151183852
Animation
>>151186835
Which part?
>>151187724
But anon, if you can reach millions of people from a young age onward, and have their attention for several hours per day, you can influence those people to become anything you want. It's why (we) are here, when you look at it that way.
>>151183852
Anime isn't a medium
>>151183852
I just like animation as an artform and think it's underused.
It hasn't been fully jewed like western entertainment.
Rather than think about what they can do to shove more anti-white conception propaganda and appeal to fat blobular women with retarded pea-sized brains they focus more on appealing to degenerates and lazy fucks which is right up my ally.
>>151188180
>It's why (we) are here
Elaborate.
>>151188189
What is it then?
>>151183852
I like watching cute girls doing cute things and sometimes cute girls doing horrible things.
Very entertaining and it makes me forget how shit real life is.
>>151188238
I'm just saying that kids are raised by tv and the internet and that the media industry is well aware of how abusable and profitable this can be. Not only in the case of things that are immediately profitable (kid, you need to drink this entire bottle of vodka to be considered normal), but also profitable in the long run, like creating the kind of voters and workers you want to have in your society. It's soft singularity, in that regard.
>>151188180
Well Hollywood has a very small influence on the rural part of America. And while they definitely do have a higher influence in the urban areas, a lot of those people are growing tired of the 'elite' class, as can be seen by the Bernie/Trump movements. The overall point is that Hollywood has no idea what the public actually wants and just tries to dictate what they want onto people, as you pointed out. And while many people are falling for it, it isn't as strong as it was a few decades ago.
>>151188271
Japanese animation
>>151189207
Yes, which is a medium.
>>151185325
>Has anyone ever said they were healed by western media?
Some of the highest quality iyashikei I've consumed was an American show called Rectify.
Of course it had some melodrama every now and then and it was much grimier in tone, but there were many moments of understated emotion that echoed the feeling of mono no aware.
Can't really think of anything else though.
>>151188189
Anime is a blanket term for animation in Japan. But is used as a term for the medium of 'Japanese animation' everywhere outside of Japan. Which itself is a bad term since 90% of animation is still animated by Japan or Korea. Even stuff produced by western companies.
If things continue the way they are, pretty much all 2D animation will be Japanese. Leaving only 3D animation for the west. And 'anime' pretty much will become a term of '2D animation'.
>>151188527
The problem is that the choice is between economic exploitation with nationalistic values and economic exploitation with liberal values. We are heading towards a society like in the bridge trilogy, where the privileged 20% are allowed to have secure jobs and be self-sufficient, and everyone else is kept out of the circle.
Nothing lasts. Hollywood and the current elite won't last. But what will replace it?
>>151189243
Neither "Japan" nor "animation" are material forms used in the creation of art.
>>151189372
I don't want to get overly political, but I seriously can't understand why people in Hollywood are so focused on trying to push liberal (socialistic) ideals since their class would be the one to go first.
>>151189408
Japan is not a medium, obviously, but animation sure as hell is you semantically obsessed twat.
>>151189713
I think its mainly a marketing scheme, you know since the liberal idea has become wide spread so much, its best to stick with the majority.
>>151189713
The liberals and the socialists are the most vocal in today's society and the most likely to throws tons of money towards works which (at least superficially) support their ideals. So by making those works, Hollywood is attempting to exploit them by pretending to support them. It isn't working tho, as GHOSTBUSTERs went to prove.
>>151189894
But Liberals aren't the majority. They weren't even before this election. Liberals are mostly just in the 15 most populated cities in the US, while everywhere else identifies as conservative or moderate. Focusing only on a few densely populated areas is a strategy which was bound to fail eventually. Especially for Hollywood, which is about making money and not politics. They should be making films that appeal to everyone and not just hipsters and yuppies.
>>151183852
Good supernatural/series stories. Most american movies and series don't do it the way anime does.
>>151189713
Because if they are all inclusive, or pretend to be, it removes you're vector of rebellion. Anyone who is their enemy (in the freudian definition of their and enemy) becomes the inhuman, untouchable Other.
>>151190118
You can't write good supernatural stories if you have to stay in the comfort zone or worry about not unnerving your audience.
>>151189736
Right, but anime isn't a medium, in the same way that French movies aren't a medium.
>>151190195
Its not really the audience but the producers. Writing movies/tv shows is about appeasing a Hollywood producer who funds the project. While the audience is looking for unique content. This can be seen how crap like Game of Thrones got popular, even though its shit. But it did something slightly unique compared to the millions of formulaic shows out there so the audience latched onto it.
>>151190219
Yes, you're right.
It also makes no fucking difference outside of giving you an excuse to be pedantic. OP's semantics aren't impeccable, alright, what does that add to the discussion?
>>151190113
Maybe they are not the majority but they are the majority in places where Hollywood PR matters, that being the media so they are the majority in the places which are the most important to Hollywood.
>>151190342
In that particular case, it succeeded because it stayed close to the source material. But yes, "art" is made for producers, and in many cases made around a conference table by marketing and survey people.
>>151190427
It stayed close to the source material for like a season, then it went and fucked around with everything.
>>151188189
Mai hiiro
>>151190219
Weapons grade autism right here
>>151190423
But again, that's a dumb strategy. Since any shift in population or change in political views will cause the Hollywood structure to crumble. Which is exactly what is happening right now.
It's just aesthetically pleasing, to begin with. That you get interesting characters and storylines is a massive bonus. What drew me in was the violence, gore, and nudity, and I stick around for that and more.
Anime gave us the matrix and groundhogs day in the mid 80s, and Megazone 23 and Beautiful Dreamer were both better. That anime creators believe in what they're doing is what makes it work; you don't get that in Hollywood unless someone has immense control over their own projects.
>>151190545
Who cares? I watch one American movie per year. I can live without those two hours of disappointment and nothing changes.
In fact it would directly improve the quality of my life. I would no longer have to listen to the word "awesome" when I'm forced to interact with people.
>>151183852
To fill the void, but instead it usually makes it worse.
>>151183852
In an age where SJW politics have pozzed western media to a terminal degree, anime and manga continues to be refreshingly apolitical. I never feel like Japanese works are trying to shove a political message in my face or be topical.
>>151190843
Some anime are political, but it's to Japanese political issues that sometimes take extra reading to understand. But you're arguing that there's no agenda to force things that don't necessarily belong, like you saw with 90s postmodernism, like with forced diversity. Production committees want to get their work done, there's very little outside meddling involved.
>>151190545
The only worst thing for a producer to have a bad film nowdays is having a bad reputation, those liberals in the media and the press are like ravens: you go once against their agenda, they are going to declare you as the worst person upon this earth and will ruin your reputation in a way. Yes, it is dumb but producers just want to survive.
>>151190753
>Anime gave us the matrix and groundhogs day in the mid 80s, and Megazone 23 and Beautiful Dreamer were both better.
Tripfriend are you mixing pills?
>>151190932
Right, even if there is some political message its so specific to Japan that I really don't pick up on it and even if I did I don't feel like its something related to me as an outsider. Same thing with Japanese vidya too, there's none of the whole feminist meltdown over fanservice that you get with every western game that comes out now. Cute girls can be cute girls and nobody has a problem with it.
>>151191125
Japanese creators never had a problem, mostly, with having women take on action roles and be leads, or any kind of lack of woman creators. Princess Knight, Nausicaa, and Rose of Versailles never happened in the west.
No other form of media has the stories, genres and themes that anime and manga cover. Until more avenues of entertainment are opened up elsewhere, here is where I'll stay
>>151187757
I have trouble recommending anything with a large amount of fanservice, it's just feels embarrassing after a certain point.
I was speaking in hyperbole though, I have recommended the series to two people since I know they would enjoy it.
>>151191007
I think he's saying the movies that influenced The Matrix came out in the 80s. But that's still wrong since GitS and Eva came out in the 90s. Only Akira came out in the 80s.
>>151183852
Western media has increasingly come under the control of the liberal thoughtpolice, anime hasn't. I want to watch cute girls being sexualized without some hambeasts breathing down me neck about how wrong it is to objectify wymyn. I want to watch entertainment after a long day of hard work, yes, entertainment, and not the latest sermon about "diversity" and "inclusiveness" from some smug asshole coastal elites. It's quite simple, really.
>>151194316
I stopped watching american shit before the sjw craze. Somewhere about the time humor and conversation turned into quips and references.
>>151183852
Offers a lot of escapism
>>151184584
it totally can, it's just nobody cares enough. hell 90% of animators don't even care that much.
>>151183852
"Animated film" (as in, drawn frames instead of photographic images) has the capacity to create images of a certain level of imagination, abstraction, and surrealism due to their intrinsic nature of being created instead of captured. This allows for an avenue of creativity in story telling provided by the visual elements that simply cannot exist outside of the medium.
Anime specifically offers highly stylized, energetic, frequently visceral imagery with a strict focus on kinetics and motion that isn't present anywhere else outside of maybe Disney movies. That being said, I'd argue that "anime" is not itself a medium, and more a movement or compositional genre within the greater body of animated film.
It wasn't until the advent of CGI that "live-action" film could even begin to approach the level of imagination and visual story telling capable within animation, and the most compelling CGI moments in cinematography are attempting to directly imitate what has already been established by animated film (and many notable examples of CGI have attempted to directly imitate anime).
It´s good when you are anxious and depressive as fuck and the world looks terrible.
>>151192412
I like to recommend fanservice heavy anime to normies that recommend TV series like Game of Thrones or West World to me.
>>151183852
Lolis and waifus.
>>151183852
Anime appeals to the modern male who is apathetic to a meaniful existence. His only concern is his own shallow dreams and aspirations. He shuns the world because it isnt as real as his fantasies. The world has expectations and you must work to earn what you keep. Anime has an unlimited harem who satisfies his every need and desire. This is the means by which a man increasingly adores himself and creates a prison in his mind. The saddest thing is that he is not happy with his own company and must constantly pursue and hoard his obsession so that his vain desires will be fulfilled. A sad existence only made more pathetic as time marches on.
>>151183852
I don't, I read manga.
>>151183852
Anime offers a unique style that most western media finds hard to match.
I can't exactly put it into words, but there's something about the inherent "Japaneseness" of anime that makes it a breath of fresh air when compared to Western shows, which often feel very stale and predictable.
>>151199185
Its not just the different culture. Japan is willing to try settings, themes and formats the west just won't attempt. There are countless anime series you can cite and say 'Hollywood would be too scared to try that.'
For what only anime can offer I'd have to say visuals.
While its true that the west has top tier animation studios (even if most do 3d at this point, but really there's top quality animation in Disney's hand drawn shorts that are still released regularly) there doesn't exist a market in most of those places for them to go with the visual style or genre's that anime does.
Movies could probably do something similar visually but good luck getting that funded.
>>151199718
This. Its pretty simple. Anime just does things other forms of media won't.
It's free. That's about 90% of the reason.
>>151185024
This is pretty much it. I watch film when I want quality entertainment, I watch anime when I want something to make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.