I fucking hate it when anime has references in them. So damn stupid.

The classics were so much better. Goethe or Shakespeare wouldn't lower themselves to referencing shit. They just made their stories stand on their own feet.

>>151173451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN5DA-52tVs

>>151173451
>referencing a 4chan meme
holy shit

>>151173487
is this bait?

>>151173505
It's called "irony".

Also, bait does not mean what you think it means.

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This show was rife with meme references, but I forgive it for being an overly comedic show

>>151173451
Nothing wrong with references.

>>151173451
I love it. I hope they keep doing it.

>>151173451
Why?

What was the actual reason those guys were hyped for? It can't actually be anime.

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>>151174068
>girl trips
>panty scene
>etc.

>>151174068
E3 something or other.
The meme is like 10 years old now.

I hate it when anime are as bad as Saikin, Imouto blah blah blah.

But yeah, references can be bad since they break immersion. Not really a problem in a "comedy", though.

Nyaruko would've killed OP.

>>151174291
Shounen ;_;

>>151173499
It's a jap meme, baka gaijin.

>>151173494
More like this please

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Did you like it?

is that a jojo reference?

>>151174422
No it isn't fucktard

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>>151173451
Bakemonogatari reference? KyoAni confirmed for bros.

>>151174510
There's a reason it's called gaijin 4koma.

http://nyaruref.blogspot.com/2012/04/haiyore-nyaruko-san-episode-1.html?m=1

>>151173568
it's really not though.

>>151173451
Reference is the highest form of storytelling. Someone try prove me wrong.

>>151175131
What isn't what?

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>>151175212

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>>151173494
>those movements

>>151173451
What anime is this from?

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>>151174291
well, that's one example...

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>>151173451

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>>151174510
I bet you think Aniki and japanese bird cooking spaghetti are 4chan memes too ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

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>>151173451

>I hate it i didn't get reference because i'm too new

>>151175212
References are just humor replacement for idiots. Dumb people can't follow complicated jokes built around paradigm shifts so instead writers pander to them by including references so the audience can go
>hahaha i know what that was a reference to! this makes me feel less stupid because i understood something that wasn't explicitly stated!

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>>151174422
Retardo

IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE?

>>151179367
>dumb people
>of course references can only have a comedic intent
>jokes must be complicated
>"built around paradigm shifts" (?????)
This is the people I share a board with.

>>151175212
Fuck off, JJ.

>>151174422
is this a fucking joke?

>>151179486
>>"built around paradigm shifts" (?????)
That's the basis of real humor retard. Humor is about making mental connections. Good humor sets up a situation and then makes you see it in a new light. Humor for people like you is sheldon cooper naming 90s video games.

If the author is actually doing something intelligent and relating other things to their work in some way it's an allusion. A reference is when they just remind the audience of something so drooling retards have something to clap at.

>>151179696
Why are you calling me a retard? You do realize he used the word "storytelling" and not "humor"?
At any rate, you're just describing the type of humor you like and likening other forms of comedy to things you don't like.
I'm not going to bother with some knee-jerk contrarian who can't even read.

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>>151180005
There are many things that make it clear you're a retard. For example you spazz out when you see a slightly unusual phrase that makes perfect sense in context and in the next post you tell someone they can't read. Or how you're defending the retarded idea that references are ever important to storytelling and not just something sprinkled on top.

>>151173451
A good anime doesn't use memes,it makes them.

>>151180214
>retard
>spazz out
Jesus Christ, kid, watch your edge. I was only pointing out you sperged out due to misreading (storytelling vs humor).
I'm not even going to point out that you made a distinction between references and allusions (>>151179696), while previously mistaking the both of them in your little example (>>151179367, ' wasn't explicitly stated!') because you might call me more names.

To summarize.
- You lightly used an expression that is meant for more fundamental things. 'Seeing things in a new light' is not necessarily a paradigm shift.
- You're a retard who a) can't read; b) can't express himself properly; c) is attributing an argument I never even suggested (that whole 'defending the idea', hahahah) d) can't even do proper damage control.

>>151180627
That's not remotely edgy you sensitive faggot.

>>151180627
Why are you here if you get this butthurt over words? Go cry about it on tumblr.

A paradigm shift is seeing things from a new perspective. Don't argue about words you don't understand.

I didn't misread, downie. I asserted that reference is only used as a humor substitute. I described how references are actually used as opposed to having some deep storytelling significance. I'm not somehow barred from making that true observation because the post I responded to didn't talk about humor.

>>151180627
>I'm not even going to point out what I'm about to point out

>>151180828
>A paradigm shift is seeing things from a new perspective.
You clearly don't understand what a paradigm is.

>>151181073
Or the problem is that you have a shit vocabulary and have been looking up these words in a dictionary so you don't know anything about their connotation or actual usage. This would also explain the tantrum about reference vs allusion.

>>151181182
>complicated jokes built around paradigm shifts
>b-but I only meant seeing things from a new perspective
>uses an allusion as an example of a reference
>b-but I was clearly talking about references!
>connotation or actual usage
Let me remind you one more time of point b) (>>151180627).

Your whole argument is /tv/ levels of retarded. I'm just amused that someone as mad and as opinionated as the likes of you thinks he can effectively describe humor of all things when those wild assumptions about myself weren't even particularly original or funny.

>>151181672
I forgot to mention I'm just curious what a retard like you thinks about Joshiraku and its kind of humor.

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But what about Jojo references?

>>151173451
Pop culture/meme references in a show or series are shit. They horribly date the product and are generally low tier humor.

>>151181707
Joshiraku has both referential and non-referential humor, so... what exactly are you hoping for here?

>>151181811
It also has a bunch of puns and very silly jokes. I'm just curious what level of intelligence would you grade its humor.

>>151180214
>Or how you're defending the retarded idea that references are ever important to storytelling and not just something sprinkled on top.
You should watch less chinese cartoons and read more. Some of the most influential writers in history have used allusions and references to other classics extensively throughout their works.

>>151181811
>ellipsis
Hello, newfriend.

>>151181672
I don't know why you think they were jokes, you are legitimately a moron. And I still don't know why you're getting butthurt here instead of staying in some safe space where people aren't allowed to point out how retarded you are.

Humor is the response you get from making connections. I described good humor as setting up a situation then making them shift assumptions about the situation to see what was described from a new perspective. That's absolutely a paradigm shift so I don't understand how this is so hard for you.

In common usage 'reference' refers to a shallow attempt to make the audience think of some external work while 'allusion' implies a comparison between some aspect of what is happening and something similar in an external work. You sperging out and deflecting with meme arrows doesn't change that. This entire time you've been doing nothing but trying to deflect with semantics.

>>151182142
To the extent they used allusions that's not what I was talking about and to the extent they used references it was shallow window dressing that didn't contribute to the work and was just there to appeal to morons who derive satisfaction from noticing references, like I said previously.

>>151173487
They had nothing worth of reference in their time.

>>151173487

OP here. Anime needs to try to emulate the ideals of classic authors more.

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You can make good comedic use of references. Lucky Star is a good example, where it pokes fun at normal everyday occurrences using pragmatism and references.

>>151182405
>This entire time you've been doing nothing but trying to deflect with semantics
Because your use of language is utterly retarded. You're trying to do some objectively judge and describe what is humor when it's something so clearly subjective, therefore prone to multiple interpretations. I would watch some character trip on a banana peel and I would laugh depending on how smartly that universal comedic resource was executed. Same with references. It all depends on how they're used (wit, charm, elegance or even plain base stupidity can be funny) and how receptive the audience is.

>>151182405
>the Bible
>Greek tragedies
>Heterodotus and Tacitus
>nothing worth of reference
Those classics are still referenced in contemporary literature. How much of an ignorant do you have to be to be this clueless.

>>151182883
>inb4 some unfunny edgy asshat invalidates my whole point due to the 'do some' error.

>>151179426
It's still a jap meme. Gachimuchi was created by japs and it has white people in it. Is it a western meme?

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Is it cheating to list down panty and stocking as one of the offending anime to overly use references?

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>>151174422
I guess the nips made the first atomic bomb since they were the first to experience it's destruction.

>>151178702
Shoo shoo back to fairilu.

>>151182026
I'm not the other guy, but I'd say it's rather knowledge-based than intelligence-based. So, even though I liked it a lot more than similar shows for some reason, I can't really say it demands a lot of intelligence.

>>151183490
Well, of course it doesn't demand a lot of intelligence. It was very silly comedy, which proves there are multiple kinds of humor.
References are just one of the many means an author has to connect with his or her audience to make them relate to the story. They may think 'Oh, Pokemon Blue, that was ages ago, what was I doing back then or who did I played it with'. It can be a suggestion, like 'You like my stuff? Maybe try this other stuff I liked'. They may be a homage. A reference can create discussions and talks between the audience. References can even be puzzles.

Oversimplifying them as a 'hey I got that, I'm not dumb!' moment is plain stupid, because they can be used cheaply or with care.

>>151184037
I would generally prefer references to be relevant to the story, changing your understanding in some way. For example, the books Yuki reads in Haruhi Suzumiya are all relevant to the plot, and it makes you compare the themes and conclusion between the two stories. That, in turn, gives you a deeper, more sophisticated understanding of those ideas. Obviously most references are cheap, just like most writing is cheap. It's impossible, really, but I'd like to see if things changed over time as "art" became something a layperson could partake in.

>>151182503
You should read(or watch) Zetsuen no Tempest.

>>151183135
Every Imaishi anime is like this. Panty & Stocking is the most obvious to us since so many of the references are to Western things.

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>>151182405
Youre just uncivilized

>>151173451
They can be amazing though. I think saber had a bunch and Lancers fire sigil is same as Toukos from KnK