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Vegeta gets his retribution. kek

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Vegeta gets his retribution. kek
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Why does Toei like to make Vegeta job so much.
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Black doesnt have the broken zenkai boost ability in the manga so he enters super saiyan 2 before rose.
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>>150956290
Post more faggot
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As always /OurGuy/ Toyotaro making it happen.
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Zamasu has this ability to heal others like Kibito. This will benefit Black when it comes to zenkai boosts.
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>>150956493
>implying he won't job in this version just in a different way
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>>150956577
I guess Vegito jobbing will count.
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Someone based enough to translate all of this?
I keep hearing people say that black wont go rose.
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>b4 "No rose?!"
Unlike in the anime where they never properly explained how Black was able to get random zenkai boosts from each blow delivered to him, the manga is going about a different approach in the sense that Black will become stronger as Zamasu continues to heal him. He was SS2 when fighting against Blue Vegeta and nearly died, and because he was healed, he'll most likely attain SS3 and then finally SSR.

There are 3 more chapters before the Trunks arc ends.
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>>150956636
In OPs pic, Vegeta says Black had golden hair.
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>>150956659
But zamasu stole a body with ssgss potential already in him since he took it from a goku post u6 arc. Why would he need additional zenkai boost to turn ssrose?
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>>150956684
Yeah even I can the kanji for "gold" (金)
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>>150956760
Well, the same could be asked about the anime. Black said he was able to master Gokus power after their first battle and thus became rose. But if he could easily tap into Goku's god powers, then there wouldn't be a need to fight Goku to make that happen right?
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>>150956574
>Black struggling in pain
Why is this allowed?
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>>150956625
>implying stupid potala retcon is canon
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>>150956784
It's still early to say he won't go rose though, we only have a few pages.
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>>150956299
I'm not really a fan of how Toyotara depicts the SSB aura. It looks like Vegeta just has globs of toothpaste floating around him.
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>>150956827
Maybe is having a heart attack like Goku at the start of the Android saga.
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>>150956827
skankhunt42 says your a fucken pussy and you need to go jump off a bridge so you can not witness the ssgss rose black
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17 the park ranger.
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Wait a minute. Zamasu saw the Universe 6 tournament right? So why is he shocked by SSB? In the anime he was smug when Vegeta transformed and Trunks noticed it.
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>>150956814
Yeah I hoped the manga would fix that bit I guess not... also for some weird reason I get the vibe immortal zamasu being the mastermind in the manga. Black looks way too nervous when he battled vegeta which is sad cause black being calm and smug is what made him great.
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>>150956961
Good point but maybe zamasu only bothered watching the final and did not expect vegeta being this strong.
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Black looked fucking upset when Zamasu saved him.
>Saiyan cells
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>>150956931
So are Goten and Trunks weaker than 17 and 18?
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>>150956961
In the manga, Zamasu's search word was "Son Goku" which implies that he only witnessed Goku's battle against Hit and not Vegetas. Therefore he probably didn't expect Vegeta to have god ki too.
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>>150956961
>why is he shocked when sees how strong Vegeta is and how fucked is in this moment?
god dammit anon
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>>150957048
It still doesn't make sense. He should know SSJ2 won't be enough to win against Goku, yet he's acting like they should be shocked by his power. He should have seen all this coming. I hope the manga has some explanation for this because it makes no sense.
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>>150957019
No but 17 and 18 aren't little annoying turds so...
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>>150957100
He's going up against VEGETA not Goku, so of course Black would enter SS2 because he doesn't know what Vegeta is capable of and underestimates him tremendously.
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>>150956659
>There are 3 more chapters before the Trunks arc ends.

It ends next month.
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reposting >>150956193

>>150955861
>Toei asked toryiama to do super does that mean all of super is not canon because toei pays him to writr the storu amd deisgn stuff ???
Nobody implied remunerated job = non-canon, you shitty brained faggot. If Toriyama decides X thing made by him is canon, X is canon then. If Toriyama decides don't give a shit about Y thing made by him, Y is noncanon.
So even if Toriyama was who had the crazy idea of SS Black having pink hair, still meaning nothing. We already knows Toriyama corrects Toyotaro's work if are disagree with the result so if Black doesn't turns Rosé in the manga, was just a crazy idea in Toriyama/some Toei employee mind totally not significant in Tori's plot. Black just goes SS. SS... something? SS with pink hair? SS with cape? SS with dicks as fingers? SS with rainbow hair? SS with..? No. SS, and SS means yellow hair, that's all
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>>150957136
No he enters SSJ2 and expects both Goku and Vegeta to be scared. Your point also fails because once he saw Vegeta transform, he should have went Rose if he had it, instead of being shocked and still trying to fight
It only makes sense if they reveal he was purposely throwing the fight for a power up
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>>150957019
They probably aren't there because they're kids.
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>>150956827
Manga author has the real issue of nerfing every threat big time, because "Muh saiyans". Because saying Vegeta and Goku wouldn't simply crush the threat is hard. Nope, Hit can't be stronger, he was just a fluke and Vegeta could have beaten him easily if he wanted.

Hit was nerfed to like a tenth of his power from the anime, Goku Black got his ass kicked badly, it kills the tension.
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>>150957154
Toriyama didn't draw SSR Black. He only drew normal Black

>TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
We don't know that Toyotaro is replacing anything. The only concept art we saw for Rosé Black was from Yamamuro, which just replaced the hair of his adaptation of Toriyama's normal Goku Black art. it's entirely possible that Toyotaro is following a note from Toriyama that "Black can become a Super Saiyan" or whatever, and that Toei & Bandai went nuts with adding new transformations for Black, Future Trunks and Vegetto (or in his case, adding him in the first place) during this arc just for the sake of being able to sell more merchandise.

So SSR is all Toei.
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>>150956636
Vegeta tells Black to transform (from SSJ to SSJG) or he's going to murder his ass. Black responds by saying he is unable to go SSJG yet
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>>150957218
Sounds like he's a few boosts away, which means that Vegeta fucks up again and makes the bad guy stronger for the sake of having some fun.
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>Black gets saved by his husbando
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>Black
>SS2
huh no that's SS

>b-but muh sparks...
Sparks appear sometimes in auras even if the user is not a SS, but Black has a regular SS hair

>b-but OP pic..
Don't be blind, it's the air raising because transformation, you can see how his clothes raises too but all other panells have regular SS hair
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>>150957150
Source.
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>>150957211
>Toriyama didn't draw SSR Black. He only drew normal Black
>source my ass
But you wrong you stupid bitch
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>>150957277
>They ruined everything great about Black

Fuck this manga arc
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>>150957277
Way toyotaro fucking up the trunks src faster then the anime
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HAKAI
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>>150957321
I posted the source you fucking idiot. TheDevilsCorpse is a mod from Kanzenshuu who's as respectable as Herms
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>>150957303
Toyotaro interview at comic con.
He stated that he will surpass the anime in story in the arc after black's arc.
The anime reaches the next canon arc in February.
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>>150957351
Did Zamasu really attempt to attack Beerus of all people?
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>>150957351
Where you getting these pics from?
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>>150957351
Just post the last page of the manga.
Or black turning rose. To end this shit once and for all
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>Vegetafags complained about Vegeta being quickly defeated by Black in their first encounter.
>Blackfags complaining about Black being quickly defeated by Vegeta in their first encounter.

wew.
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>>150957206
More like Toei likes to give bullshit power ups to everyone: Hit, Black, Zamasu, even Trunks.
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>>150957525
It worked with black.
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>>150957218
>black cant tap into goku's full potential
>just another cheap ginyu
>jobbing to vegeta
Yep this is shite even if the anime ended up like straight cancer they made black right.
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>>150957525
Toei really fucked up any consistency of powerlevels in the black arc.
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>>150957455
He's just reposting pictures from twitter. He isn't the original source
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>>150956299
>Black jobbed
I called it like a month ago and the mangashills still went full denial mode every single time.

Now that he actually jobbed they are trying to say it's "good" writing. My fucking sides.
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>>150957206
Why does some people even praise the manga?
It's shit compared to the anime storywise.
The battle choreography copypaste might be better then Super, but Toyble isn't even that good.
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>>150957416
Twitter.
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>>150957277
>>150956370
>>150956328
>>150956299
>>150956290
>Black is a filthy weak jobber in the manga
Manga confirmed to be irredeemable trash and Toyo confirmed to be hack for neutering best boy like that.
#notmyblack.
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>>150957572
As if toyotaro didnt.
Black base was toying with trunks ssj2 which is on par with goku ssj3.it took goku ssg to take down trunks. Yet black ssj2 gets outclassed by a long shot by ssg vegeta
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>>150957599
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>>150956659
>There are 3 more chapters before the Trunks arc ends.
Yet the new canon Arc starts this January. Whatever happened to MUH AHEAD OF ANIME, mangacuck?
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>>150957621
You mean SSB Vegeta.
The difference between SSG and SSB is huge as Goku's fight with Hit showed.
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>>150956827
Can't beat the cock
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>>150957652
trunks: This is weird black was better when he fought me
Goku: toryiama is a hack and pink is gay fuck off
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>>150957643
Anime arc starts in February and January is the last month for the manga black arc.
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>>150957723
Source.
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>>150957572
SSB should have raped SSJ2 Black worse than how SSJ2 Gohan raped the Cell Jrs.
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I think we're all forgetting the most important part of super
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Maybe Black turns Rose after the beating. Super Saiyan Rose was a well liked transformation, Toyotarou should realise this and introduce it here
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>>150957761
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

The anime has been stuck with fillers for a reason.
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>>150957773
Wont happen the manga will end with them fusing.
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>>150957773
Also key words, Black says he can't go SSB YET. This doesn't mean he necessarily won't he just needs more time.
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>>150957721
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>>150957806
Toyotarou cannot do this to us anon...he was our boy...
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>>150957803
You idiot. I meant source for this arc ending next month.
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>>150957841
Sry bro ... but at least merged zamasu is going to kick their asses... according to the poster that is
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>>150957849
The manga black arc would need to end in January in order for Toyotaro to surpass the anime in February as he stated in the interview.
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>>150957925
This monthly thing is messing with the manga, too rushed.
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>anime: Black turns SS
>manga: Black turns SS

>only difference is color

What's wrong, /a?
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>>150957961
Would toyotaro even manage a weekly serial?
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>black jobbing
this pleases my dick
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>>150957986
The issue is that standard SSJ Black is clearly much weaker than Rose Black.
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>>150957961
To be fair, it has almost as many pages as it would if it was weekly.
The anime would have to constantly have filler episodes in order to not rush the manga.
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>>150957986
ROSE WAS AN ELEGANT AND BEAUTIFUL TRANSFORMATION. I WOULDN'T EXPECT A NINGEN TO UNDERSTAND
FUCKING NINGENSREEEEEEEEE
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>>150958000
He's already drawing the equivalent of 2.5 weekly chapters per month. I guess the issue is how long the whole "Toriyama review" bit takes.
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>>150957986
Ss rose is ssgss level
Here ss is just... fuck my shit up
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>>150957370
nice, another shitty rush job
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>>150957600
>>150957622
Basically Vegeta is saying he doesn't give a fuck if he's a Kai or a God. Black starts crying about him being the rules of that world.
>>150957652
Here Goku is wondering if Black trained as well, but with there being such a huge difference Goku is saying Vegeta should win this. Trunks says he has a bad feeling about this and that they should finish Black as soon as possible
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>>150958036
The issue is that weekly shonen jump doesnt want to promote him since its not a original series.
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>>150958008
>actually answering him
He knows full well what the problem is.
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>>150958039
>Finish Black as soon as possible.
Rose.
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>>150958069
Boruto gets chapters published on WSJ sometimes though. I can't see how they have a whole Dragonball department now and can't get a DB manga on weekly jump.
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>>150958055
>Trunks says he has a bad feeling about this and that they should finish Black as soon as possible
Vegeta gonna pull another vegeta.
Classic
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>>150958085
More like Zamasu showing up and merging.
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>>150956814
Then he shouldn't even know how to go SSJ2 as he has never fought Goku to learn that.

Besides, if Base Black is stronger than SSJ2 Trunks, then it's impossible for SSJ2 Trunks to be equal to SSJ3 Goku, it's the same fucking body and as seen in the Manga, Goku clearly has more mastery over that body than Black does.

Just face it, mangacuck, your non canon advertisement sucks. Toyocuck has a fetish of nerfing characters and rushing arcs.
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>>150958113
Naruto didnt ended too long ago. The fanbase is still fresh. boruto first volume sold 200.000 copies in its first week compared to super 30.000
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>>150958138
>non-canon
>Toriyama is more involved with the manga.
>being this retarded
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>>150958131
THIS
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>>150958162
Super's 2nd volume jumped to 100.000 by the 2nd week though, and Boruto clearly has the advantage of being pushed by weekly jump itself
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>>150958008
>The issue is that standard SSJ Black is clearly much weaker than Rose Black.
The issue is that standard SSJ Black and Rose Black are the same thing (at least in the anime). According to the V-Jump, Rose is Black's version of SS, so the difference is literally the color, no more.
Also that means if manga-Black have a Rose form too, manga Rose form is stronger than anime Rose
manga-SS Black = anime-SSR Black < manga-SSR Black
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>>150958211
In the anime, it's SSJ with his God Ki. For whatever reason, Black can't do that yet in the manga, and is stuck with a standard SSJ form.
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Someone tell the japanese fag leaker to post something about rose or tell us if he is in this chapter
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>>150958039
hum no

Black + SS power up is SSGSS level
SSR is just a fancy SS so are the same thing
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>>150958177
>literally called advertisement for the Super franchise, something that the Anime is part of
Why didn't Black just explode like the Cell Jrs did against SSJ2 Gohan? Beerus almost killed Goku with 2 pokes. Here you see SSB Vegeta hitting Black as hard as he can yet Black at only SSJ2 didn't die from it.
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how long til vegeta jobs? i am a vegetafag but i know he is going to job

life is suffering
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>>150958286
SSR and SSB have the same particle effect in their ki. Pretty much SSB but pink instead of blue.

Did you even watch the damn show?
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>>150958286
Its clearly not the same fucking thing. one actually makes him stronger then vegeta and goku. The one in the manga makes him job faster then yamcha against a saibaman.
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Hopefully this chapter brings us smug Zamasu memes, because holy fuck does he look smug in this chapter
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>>150958276
>it's all about base with god power shit again

oh god so that's what's happening

>anime-Black have god ki in base form so his SS is a SSG form (called Rose)
>manga-Black doesn't have god ki in base form (because he's not in his original god body?) so his SS is a regular SS form and need an specific transformation to wins god ki and goes to his SSG form (called Rose)
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>>150958319
>Why didn't Black just explode like the Cell Jrs did against SSJ2 Gohan?
Because that was censorship. They were torn apart into bloody messes in the manga.

And Black's base is still very high in the manga, even if he's using a weak form right now.
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What if Black can't use god ki because he no longer has a god's body?
It would explain why he's in a Super Saiyan form.
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==TRANSLATION==

"Trunks hasn't seen Black use Super Saiyan in a long time. But he has seen it before."

So Black has fought Trunks in that SS form.
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>>150958350
>-SSR is just a fancy SS
>+no, SSR have fancy details like SSB's!
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>>150957621
>toyotaro
The manga, writing-wise, is all Toriyama.
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>>150956536
This is most like the last page. Narration text on the left side of page is usually on the first and last pages of a chapter. Super's chapter end logos are also below the panels instead in the bottom panel.
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>Gohanfags' status: cucked
>Vegetafags' status: cucked
>Gokufags' status: cucked (next episode)
>Blackfags' status: cucked
>Trunksfags' status: cucked
Is there anyone who didn't get cucked in DBS?
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>>150958418
>They were torn apart into bloody messes in the manga
Why didn't that happen to Black again?

>And Black's base is still very high in the manga
How did he beat SSJ2 Trunks when Goku, one who has far more mastery over the same body, is only equal if he goes SSJ3?

Just accept the manga has shit writing, even shittier than the anime.
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>>150958383
>implying powerlevels are equals in manga as in anime
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>>150958494
Yamchafags
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>>150958478
>The manga, writing-wise, is all Toriyama.
Thats wrong though. Toryiama gives toyotaro a lot of freedom.
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>>150958494
>>Blackfags' status: cucked
More like mangafags, no matter how shit manga Black maybe he will never tarnish the absolute perfection that is anime Black.
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They nerfed black so much that when trunks gets the finishing blow it doesnt seem like such a big asspull.
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>>150958680
well now that you put it like that it makes sense
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>>150958680
>nerfed
Manga literally have the last time travel as the only one so Black is defeated by Vegeta before the fusion like in the anime
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>>150958494
Krillin
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>>150958499
>How did he beat SSJ2 Trunks when Goku, one who has far more mastery over the same body, is only equal if he goes SSJ3?
This isn't videogame. You're basically assuming that there's a "mastering body" stat and that higher ranks on it unlock higher stats and higher SSJ forms, but everything isn't necessarily combined like that.

Heck, to a point, the same thing happened in the anime. Remember Black in base facing SSJ2 Goku and only getting hit when distracted? He only got SSJ Rose after that battle.


>>150958597
Over paneling/composition. According to the 2nd volume of the manga, the story differences are due to Toriyama.
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>>150957218
>>150957810
>he is unable to go SSJG YET
I really need the source of that
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>>150958881
That's what they're saying here >>150956299
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I can't imagine Black in the blonde Super Saiyan design (coloured).
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>>150956290
literally Xicor
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>>150956290
>Anime version has dramatic music, everyone looking amazed as he boasts about his transformation
>Manga version has him all proud of his transformation, while Vegeta looks cocky with a "look at this pussy lmao" face

Poor Black looks like a tryhard loser here
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>>150958969
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>>150958965
I don't see 超サイヤ人ブルー (SSB) or 超サイヤ人ゴッド (SSG) so..
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>>150957354
>as respectable

not from the source itself so don't give a shit about your "literally who" e-celebs.
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>>150959537
That looks disgusting.

But I think he'll be like GT Goku in the sense that Black's tan complexion would become white when entering Super Saiyan.
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>>150959537
shit looks cool too
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>>150959576
>translation: I'm an idiot who is bashing the man who can actually read the Japanese text on the fucking picture

You're an idiot. The source is the picture. TheDevilCorpse translated the text. Kanzanshuu is where you get all this info from you dumbfuck.
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>>150959572
read the page before that one, where Vegeta goes SSB and Black says he can't transform into that form.
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>>150959537
It's not gold enough.
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>>150959623
>they are always right

Don't care. Fuck your e-celebs and fuck yourself while you're at it.
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>>150959572
Vegeta is telling him something like "hurry up and transform or I'll kill you", he doesn't say SSB. Black then says "I still can't do that".
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>>150959537
disgusting

How mine looks?
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>>150959676
>Sure showed him.
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>>150959693
The question is: if he's a kai, how come he doesn't know how to use god ki?
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>>150959693
so the source is some guys in vp are saying those moon runes means that? Come on...
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>>150959693
Lol this is so terrible. He's like Cabba.
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>>150959780
Don't be butthurt that not everyone cares about your favorite dick to suck on the internet.

It will be ok, so don't cry just because I told you off little buddy.
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>>150959862
I'm not that anon, you stupid faggot.
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>>150959766
Looks like shit
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>>150959793
Maybe because that isn't his real body.
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>>150959897
Really, because that's pretty sad that you're White Knighting some fat neckbeard over 4chan who is White Knighting some other fat neckbeards over the internet.

It's like a human centipede with sucking dicks instead of asses.
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>>150956931
>whats the point of bringing Yamcha?
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>>150959862
You do know that the SSR drawing isn't Toriyama's right? It's a trace by Yamamuro. He traced AT's Goku Black drawing and changed the hair to Rose.
You look like a foolish American who can't read Japanese
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>>150960031
Dont buy it anon. its just the guy samefagging like the loser that he is.
That said toyotaro is fucking garbage
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>bitch about SSR Black beating SSB Vegeta
>bitch about SSB Vegeta beating SSJ/SSJ2 Black

You faggots are never happy.
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>>150960031
>All this rage because he got proven wrong
Lmao, you nerds are hilarious
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>>150960073
>bitch about SSR Black beating SSB Vegeta
Who bitch about this
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BLACKFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

THANK FUCKING GOD
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>>150956299
Exact fucking opposite of the anime. Lol.
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>>150960038
The isekai spin-off is actually canon. Yamcha is the strongest guy now.
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>>150956931
What's this for? The multi universe tournament?
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>>150960031
Please kill yourself already.
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>>150960073
The Blackfags are upset because Toyo isn't a fucking hack writer like Toei that dragged a stupid arc far longer than it deserved.

They wanna find holes in the logic because they're upset. Since Toyo didn't do the stupid "lol gimmie gokus body" garbage and instead just had Zamasu revive and fix Goku's brain.
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>>150960204
"Universal Survival" arc. Starts February 5th. We know no info other than that.

With very little info, and only the name "Universal Survival" arc to go off of, I've only seen two real theories: 1. There's a new universal threat that's so strong that all of the Z fighters are needed, not just Goku or Vegeta, and 2. This is actually the multiversal tournament arc, but it's given this name because only the winning universe will be rewarded, while Zeno will destroy all of the losing universes. Hence "Universal Survival". Perhaps the tournament is a sort of Battle Royal style with unlimited entries per universe, so they take all the help they can get (meaning Android 17). If this were the case, this is obviously more than enough to get Gohan to train and enter. It'd also be pretty fucked up, even by Zeno's standards. Though, and I've been seeing signs of this for a long time, these tournament rules could lead this arc into a multiversal war arc. From Goku's "pawns" comment to most of the antagonists being gods so far (Beerus, Champa, Zamasu) so far, to how unnecessarily destructive Zeno is, I would be totally shocked, yet at the same time not surprised, if the Super turned into a mythological war story between God and Man.
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>>150960242
>Just had Zamasu revive and fix Goku's brain.
What?
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>>150960054
>It's a trace by Yamamuro. He traced AT's Goku Black drawing
Except that yamamuro black looks a bit different then toryiama's. Also the way the ssj hair looks see >>150957321is nothing like yamamuro.
But nice try falseflagging you faggot
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>>150960242

Toyotaro isn't perfect. He can fuck things up (like he fucked Hit and his fights up). And in this case he fucked up a cool character by making him weak as shit.
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>>150960278
There was no body switching in the manga.

Zamasu just revived Goku and undid the head trauma that made him not a dick.

So you're left with a fight hungry Goku who gives even less a shit about everyone else
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>>150960073
What the fuck is it now?
Ssj or ssj2. swear to god toyotaro cant draw for shit. Goku ssj 2 has only one bang yet. Ssj has no electric aura so what the fuck is it.
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>>150960340
Source.
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>>150960255
>"Universal Survival" arc. Starts February 5th. We know no info other than that.
Not true. The poster says "Showing Universe 7's strongest team!!!"
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>>150960339
Consistent Power Levels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *****COOL CHARACTERS*****
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>>150960374

Nothing says consistent like Goku suddenly being able to use regular SSG for no reason or logical explanation.
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>>150960340
Are you really this stupid? They confirmed there was body switching last chapter.
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>>150957277
toyotaro wtf man, we believed in you...
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>>150960317
>But but toryiama didnt had anything to do with ssr.
Toyofags inventing shit only so that the manga doesnt look bad. Shit is as canon as AF.
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>>150960384
This chapter zamasu revealed it.
Thats why black cant turn ssgss cause you need a calm ki to do so.
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It makes sense though...Goku Black wouldn't have any way of being able to utilise God Ki because he has no idea what it is. If he fights Goku however there is a chance he could learn it and go Rose
But man if this is what Black is in the manga they don't even need Vegito for Fused Zamasu. The only reason why Fused Zamasu was super strong was mainly because of the zenkai and Goku Blacks Rose transformation. Now? It seems like SSB Goku/Vegeta will be enough.
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>>150960450
Show me the page, then I'll get multiple people to translate it. People are giving fake translations on /a/ today
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>no ssrose
>no vegito
>no spirit sword asspull
>no mafuba
Toeifags on suicide watch
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>>150960483

You're right, the god would clearly have no idea what god ki is.
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>>150960317
Thx anon. ssr is canon lads if its not in the manga toyo is a fraud.
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>>150960317
Yamamuro's faces look so...scrunched up and I'm not sure why
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>BLACKFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH AS BASED TOYO FUCK THEM IN THE ASS

Manga once again proving it is the superior art form.
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Super Saiyan Rose IS canon guys!
Just like Super Saiyan 4
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>>150960492
>>no vegito
>>no spirit sword asspull
>>no mafuba
Good
>>no ssrose
Fuck it
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I don't know which shitposters are more obnoxious, the gohanfags or the toyofags
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Vegeta's giving Black the "Shall I tell you where you miscalculated" speech. Fits more here rather than the anime where he says it after Black kicked his ass twice with a better transformation than Goku
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>>150960317
> yamamuro invented ssr and traced toryiama
Toyotaro confirmed as not canon. Stick to the fucking lore toyo you faggot.
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>>150960383
Manga is it's own canon keep the damage control up though, it's entertaining.
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>>150960532
If these "gods" truly had the ki of one, Majin Buu wouldn't have been a threat.
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>nerf hit
>nerf black AND remove his perfect transformation

toyotaro, i was rooting for you, but....

can he not make all the villains chumps?
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CHOOSE YOUR CANON

1. The canon made by the people who made GT all those years ago

2. The canon made by the guy Toriyama chose to continue the Dragonball story as a manga
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>>150960709
1.Gt
2.Af
None are fucking canon.
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>>150960709
Neither are canon.
Toei puts too much nonsensical filler.
Toyotaro puts his own headcanon.
Can we blame them no? toryiama doesnt give them any concrete advices. toyotaro said in a interview that he the stuff he gets from toryiama plot wise is point A to point B. and everything in between is up to him to fill up.
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>>150960667

Oh, so it's a canon that makes no sense. I'm glad you cleared that up.
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>>150957321
>That shitty SS hair

That's not toriyama's work

He doesn't draw SS hair like pieces of plastic, that's Yamamuro style
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Hasn't manga Black always been weaker than his anime counterpart? That was evidenced by Trunks actually being able to put up a fight against him.
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>>150960317
Lol at the faggot who said that ssr wasnt drawn by akira.
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>>150960879
No it was supposed to be the contrary.
Black base toyed with trunks ssj2 who is on goku ssj3 level.
But manga black never sparred with goku ssj2 before. Maybe the fight against vegeta will trigger his ssr.
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>>150956931
>17

Niiiice.

>>150960255
>"Universal Survival" arc.

So is 17 there in his park ranger outfit because it's not a straight-up tournament but instead a hunger games/battle royal type thing where everyone needs to survive on a planet and hunt each other?
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>>150960725
You should've put a spoiler on it, blackfags might suicide if they see it.
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>>150956290
Daily reminder that Toyotaro is /our guy/ and if you have any issues with the differences with Toei's tv adaptation you can blame Toriyama.
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>>150960709
the manga and anime are their own canon though
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>>150960789
Oh yes we can blame them. Work together to have one fucking version and not 2.
This survival space arc is the same. Manga will start first for what? A chapter, or 2 at most? Then what? The anime will filler around with sol moments in february to finally catch the manga in march with new content?
If the manga is a mistake to be monthly, which leads to be rushed in some aspects, the anime fills and does retarded shit all the time.
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>>150960383
They never mentioned anything about Goku not being able to use SSG anymore in the manga
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>>150961127
He never absorbed it at the end either.
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>>150961127
People use the Toriyama, "Goku wouldn't have to enter Super Saiyan God anymore since he absorbed the power into his body" line from one of his interviews.

Even though Toriyama has contradicted himself numerous times in the past.
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>facts
>Toriyama drew SSR
>which literally means nothing
>we should wait to see if is canon
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>>150960360
Oh shit. You're right.
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People are way over reacting because of 13 pages of leaks 5 of them not even full pages but panels. have you guys forgotten that the chapter usually consist of 40 pages?
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>>150961322
Mangahaters looking for easy (You)s.
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>>150959537
Just a step away from GALO SENGEN
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>>150959693
>I-I still can't do that yet Vegeta-senpai...
>please be gentle with my asshole!
JUST
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>>150956290
>>150956299
>>150956328
>>150956536
So this is normal SS Black not Rosé?
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>>150961452
Yes. From what we know he can't go Blue/Rose "yet"
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BLACK BTFO

EVEN GOHAN GOT TREATED BETTER.

GOHAN
O
H
A
N

BASED TOYOTARO
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>"muh villains have been nerfed by Toyo!! What a hack! xD"
Have you fools ever once considered it's Toei that's been going beyond the script to give villains overpowered hacks abilities to milk and stretch the Plot Outline??
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No need to thank me lads.
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>>150961571

If so, then good on Toei for making a more intimidating and interesting villain.
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>>150961593
If this real why would his gi change colors and why would his hair have the same tint as blue?
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>>150958138
Before Black showed up we know Trunks was weaker than Dabura, since he needed the Supreme Kai's help to kill him. Dabura was about as strong as Cell, and it's safe to assume that at the time Zamasu stole Goku's body, base Goku was much, much stronger than perfect Cell.

Now there was peace after Dabura, so Trunks most likely trained less. Black would undoubtedly have crushed Trunks at this time, however chosing not to kill him. Trunks mentioned to Goku and Vegeta that he has been training every day like his life depended on it, most likely meaning after Black first showed up, since that's when his life depended on it.

During this time Trunks went from weaker than Dabura to current Goku Ssj3 level, I'm assuming Black constantly kicking the shit out of him helped. Black was most likely careful during this time to continously fight Trunks while he was somewhat weaker than Black so that he can abuse zenkai boosts, leading to Black always being stronger.

Sounds messing at first, but makes sense why Black hasn't outright killed Trunks.
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>>150959693

Something along the lines of

Vegeta: Whats wrong? Hurry up and transform. I'm going to kill you.

Black I...can't do that...
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>>150961593
That's from the Dokkan manga.
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>>150961608
>hax zenkai thing
>shadow clones and scythe out of his ass
>can't handle a little tear gas
>lets everyone live and toys with everyone like a Sunday morning cartoon villain
You give them too much credit.
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>>150961622
No proof that he's weaker than Dabura and he needed assitance. The fight ended too quickly.
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>>150961665
Toyotaro version : he is a big ass jobber. what a villain. I thought villains were the ones that bully and not get bullied.
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>>150961622
He had an opportunity to kill Trunks in the manga but chose against it because he wanted to fight Trunks when he was even more stronger.
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>>150961717
But we're talking about prince vegeta
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>According to the producer of Dragonball Super, in his opinion Black is thr strongest fighter other than God of Destruction Beerus.

And thats why he got fired
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>>150961717
>I thought villains were the ones that bully and not get bullied.
You're forgetting about Semi-Perfect Cell whose situation was similar to this. Vegeta beat Semi-Perfect Cell senseless until Cell achieved his final and perfect form before completely turning the tables on Vegeta. Black will enter Rose and rape Vegeta.
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>>150961608
>More power = Interesting

ok then
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>>150961717
>manga-Black he is "a big ass jobber" because is weaker than Blue Vegeta in his SS form
>anime-Black jobber against Blue Vegeta in his ROSE form

Who's the jobber here?
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Toei's DBS: "buh-uh, SSB is shit, they always job and even Trunks and Zamasu can keep up with it"
Toyotaro's DBS: "buh-uh, SSB is too stronk. Villains are weak as fuck and job to it, not fun!"
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>>150961831
>Black will enter Rose and rape Vegeta.
Source my friend.
I think what will be the turning point is black and zamasu merging
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daily reminder that vegeta was stronger than black and goku before the fusion in the manga and anime
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>>150961941
What the fuck do you mean source? It's assumption you faggot.
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>>150961923

Yes, that's certainly one way to misinterpret what I said.
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>>150961831
Rose is not canon you stupid fuck.
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>>150961982
Source cunt.
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>>150961943
Black got zenkai after vegeta fucked him up. IT became so ridiculous that even his clones were kicking vegeta's ass.
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>>150961982

It's definitely more canon than a random manga drawn by a fanartist in VJump.
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>>150961943
>being this wrong
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>>150961998
The manga. come on you stupid pussy lets bet. Rose wont show up in the manga and you'll have to suck my dick.
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>>150962003
>>150962006
>black after zenkai
>literally no action at all
kek
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>>150961982
there is no one canon dumb nigger
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>>150962005
I have some terrible news for (You) you dumb faggot. See:
>>150961113
Shueisha/Jump has rights to Super now for certain too so you Toei cucks got btfo
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>>150962035
Let's shake on it anon. If it does show up next chapter, you'll have to suck my dick. I'll be sure not to masturbate for a whole month so that I can build up on nut for you.
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>>150961929
Toei's DBS: "buh-uh, SSB is shit, they always job and even Trunks and Zamasu can keep up with it"
Toyotaro's DBS: "buh-uh, SSB is too stronk. Villains would use actually special techniques/strategy to be strong enough (hey guys you still remind when Hit stopped being the cool time skip user to I'M BECOMING MORE POWERFUL DOING 2 MINUTES OF EXERCISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in the anime?)

Anime sucks, Toyotaro is *our* boy
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>>150962072
Alright but imma let you know deez balls are dry and salty
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>reminder
Toyotaro is literally OUR boy
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>>150962125
No he's /our guy/ not boy
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>>150962117
Looks like we have a deal.
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>>150956290
When did manga zamasu take Goku's body? Does he have SSJ3?
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>>150962143
>guy

No Toyo-chan is our cute boy
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Welp. Ya'll can say "LOL BLACKFAGS SUCK" all you want, but goddamn this is boring.

So what's the point of this entire arc if Goku and Vegeta are just gonna steamroll over Black and Zamasu without even needing to fuse?
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>>150962049
>kicking Vegeta's ass
>"no action"
Kek
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>>150962158
Let the best faggot win
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Toriyama initially said he's reserving white hair for a certain villain in the future. Perhaps that was his intent all along and Rose wasn't really part of his plan?
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>>150962213
Show me a clip where Vegeta was hurt after he manhandled black
>>
Fucking hell I hate 2chan.
Some based nip was about to upload all the pages and some fags decided to fuck up the thread by posting shota hentai
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>>150962269
Posting shota hentai can't ruin anything, anon.
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>>150962284
Fuck off you nip apologist
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>All these Blackfags and Toeshills going apeshit

Fucking delicious
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_qttX5MSSQ

Vegeta is literally the strongest. I am so happy
>>
I found Toyotaro on Instagram and he only had 138 followers please follow him to show support to /our guy/
@Toyotaro_VJump
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>>150962471
Time to shitpost lads
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>>150962506
If you shitpost with your real account prepare to get shat on yourself.
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>>150962819
What kinda faggot has a instagram account?What now? You have a facebook too?
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>>150962958
(You)
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>>150960725
I think Black is cute when asleep
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>>150962993
Oh shit, he actually does
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>>150962993
>HE DOES
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>>150962993
reddito go homu
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>>150960862
>He doesn't draw SS hair like pieces of plastic, that's Yamamuro style

Yamamuro style left
Akira right
How does it feel being blown the fuck out?? Ssr is canon and is part of the plot.
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>>150956931
i want to fuck 17!
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>>150956931
>Bring along Roshi
>Don't invite Yamcha
For what purpose?
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>>150935250
>all powerful chads
>goku and vegeta
>wanting to have relations with a filthy saiyan at all.
>>
>>150963136
Akira is so senile that toyotaro managed to pull black without going rose without toryiama noticing it. Or he simply just doesnt give a fuck.
>>
>>150963175
Roshi has shit all to do, Yamcha is a baseball player, athletes don't really get time off during their seasons.
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>>150963219
Or perhaps he goes Rose before the merge? Seems unlikely but possible
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>>150963136
Yeah you can clearly see that in the manga

kek
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>>150963136
Fuck delete this shit I dont want to suck anons dick.
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>>150962242
He was jobbing to Black'a clones.
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>>150963136
It was pretty clear that it was drawn by toryiama.delusional toyotarofags are on full damage controll.
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>>150963136
Where that faggot at with his e-celeb?
Spouting trash.
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>>150963275
>not even hurt
>jobbing

gg no re
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I always wanted to make redesign Saiyan God thing.
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>>150963344
Crying himself to sleep that his YT gaming channel never took off.
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>>150963136
Oh I did create ss rosé. Son of a bitch took advantage of my dementia *laughs*
money money money
>>
>>150963136
>Toei ask and pay Akira for drawing Broly
>Akira draws Broly
>still non canon

>Toei ask and pay Akira for drawing a pink haired SS Black
>Akira draws pink SS Black
>still non canon if isn't in the manga

It's really easy to understand, anon
>>
>>150963324
See
>>150961113
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>>150963370
>Can't even get through shitty clones
>They literally can't even touch the real Black
How does it feel to be this delusional.
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>>150963447
>Movie=>not written by toryiama not canon
>Super=>written by toryiama canon
Not that hard anon
>>
>>150963225
But Roshi is even weaker than Saiyan saga Yamcha. Hell, you could argue that he's weaker than Piccolo Jr. saga Yamcha.
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>>150963447
>promotional manga is canon

wew lad
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>>150956290
>Mangafags actually believe ssr wont happen.
Fuck you guys retarded
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>>150963536
But it wont happen you stupid faggot.
Toyotaro exposed toryiama on his bullshit transformation and toryiama accepted it.
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>>150956931
>Ranger
>18 in a tracksuit
this is gonna be ebin

also kek, pretty much every fighter from universe 7 resides on earth andhalf of them are humans
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>>150963616
>Toyotaro exposed toryiama on his bullshit transformation and toryiama accepted it.
>mangafags are so desperate for the manga to be better that they even shit on Toriyama despite the fact that their main argument always was that it is better and more canon because Toriyama has more say over it.
You are literally sucking the dick of the guy who wrote some shitty GT fan comic, you might as well say that Salagir is better than Tori.
>>
>>150963489
>write by Toriyama = automatically canon
No you cunt, If Toriyama decides X thing made by him is canon, X is canon then. If Toriyama decides don't give a shit about Y thing made by him, Y is noncanon.
So even if Toriyama was who had the crazy idea of SS Black having pink hair, still meaning nothing. We already knows Toriyama corrects Toyotaro's work if are disagree with the result so if Black doesn't turns Rosé in the manga, was just a crazy idea in Toriyama/some Toei employee mind totally not significant in Tori's plot.

>if manga-Black gets Rose, Toriyama's plot was:
Black have a exclusive SS form with pink hair

>if manga-Black doesn't gets Rose Toriyama's plot was:
Black just goes SS.
SS... something? SS with pink hair? SS with cape? SS with dicks as fingers? SS with rainbow hair? SS with..? No. SS, and SS means yellow hair, that's all.
>>
>>150963644
Well, Frieza collected everyone remotely strong from other planets and they all got wiped on Namek.
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>>150963522
stay mad, toeifag

>>150962125
>>150961113
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>>150963738
>>if manga-Black doesn't gets Rose Toriyama's plot was:
>Black just goes SS.
>SS... something? SS with pink hair? SS with cape? SS with dicks as fingers? SS with rainbow hair? SS with..? No. SS, and SS means yellow hair, that's all.
Make no sense considering toryiama designed black rosé. just because it isnt in the manga doesnt mean its not canon you stupid faggot. toyotaro has said himself that toryiama gives him enough freedom to do his own stuff.
>>150963616
Literally on damage controll
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>>150963644
It's kind of depressing that it turned out Monaca was a weakling. Whis was unable to find people stronger than those on earth through U7?


Speaking of U7 earth, why didnt Champa just go to his earth to eat?
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>>150963835
Super Dragon Balls probably respawned humans as they died, in the middle of a war, so they blew themselves away again.
Daily reminder that Zamasu was right.
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>>150963616
>visual contrast is bad

This is why no one respects your opinions on art, y'all don't actually think about it.
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>>150963738
You have a little freedom to suggest changes to Toriyama's outline, so what's the biggest alteration you've made?

Toyotarou: Fundamentally, I don't deviate from the major plotlines that Toriyama's laid down. As far as the plot getting from A to B, that's written as Toriyama it lays down. But as far as the details between those plot points, I'm free to fill them in myself.
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>>150963835
>Speaking of U7 earth, why didnt Champa just go to his earth to eat?
It is just filler and an excuse for a badeball episode, no need to think too hard about it.
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>>150963886
Vados said it had the exact same culture as U7 earth though. I guess Champa is just dumb.
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How fucking butthurt are Gohanfags gonna be when he loses the first fight in the tournament? I bet Master Roshi is gonna at least win one fight
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>>150963830
>Toriyama designed black rosé
1 Toriyama drew Black Rosé, we don't know if his the original autor of the pink idea
2 Toriyama designed even Broly's clothes, anon. Design something doesn't turns it canon

>toyotaro has said himself that toryiama gives him enough freedom to do his own stuff.
And Toyotaro has said too Toriyama corrects him if isn't agree with his work (>>150962125).
Both, Toei and Toyotaro are free to "fill" the story, anon. Toriyama only gives relevant points to the plot and they fill it with details.

>Only appears in the manga
Probably is a Toyotaro thing

>Only in the anime
Toei thing then

Manga and anime
Probably a relevant and totally canon point specified by Toriyama.

Is hilarious how toeifags claims Toyotaro is free to invent details which aren't in Toriyama's original plot when is exactly what Toei does except Toyotaro also have a good relationship with Toriyama, the fucking autor of the original manga who corrects and give him advice.
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>>150963926
What if the tournament is divided into ki based "weight classes" and the winner is the universe which wins the most matches total?
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>>150964147
IF toriyama is satisfied with the manga's current state, then I'm sorry but he's clearly losing the plot. That shit is rushed as fuck and pays little attention to any sort of narrative imagery.
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>>150963830
I am still pissed that there is literally no explanation for SSR and Trunk's semigod form.

Rose form would've made sense if they made Black stick with the standard Blue form and gave fused Zamasu Rose as a result of mixing Kai and Saiyan body.

I mean shit, if they wanted to at least be fucking consistent with different colors they could've done something more unique for Trunks like my shitty recolor and just pass it off as a result of half saiyan half human god form or something. Not even a mere mention.
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>>150964173
>if toriyama is satisfied with the manga
He's and that'sa the only matters if we talk about canon.
As original autor Toriyama and owner of DB's rights he could even decide DBZ (anime) is canon even if is incoherent and disgusting as fuck
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>>150964151
that would be kinda cool as long as they dont do some shit like battle royale
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>>150964347
Nigga trunks got a rage powerup, that's all there is to it,this shit happens in dragon ball all the fucking time.

Also Black's ki was already all kinds of fucked up because it wasn't Goku's anyway, it being a totally different form makes perfect sense.
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>>150964398
>He's and that'sa the only matters if we talk about canon.

Not really because the original author has no more authority than me outside of legal terms. I can take whatever I want from something and they can't stop me.
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>people are surprised

Did you fags forget how hard Black got his ass beat by Vegeta in the anime? He got fucking destroyed, he only managed to stall Vegeta and Goku with his scythe.
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>Blackfags are so BTFO they say the manga is shit and anime is better
>they pretend that the retarded massive power jumps actually make sense
>mfw
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>>150964540
>tfw vegeta fucked him so hard all the while ragging on him about how insulting it is that black thinks that just because he has Goku's body he's somehow Goku's equal.

I don't even care what anyone thinks, that moment was real prince of a warrior race material.
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>>150957351

> Hakais with his left hand
> Is holding only his right hand out two panels later

Editors???
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>>150964599
>Reused material
>Great material

Que?
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>>150964594
As if the worthless jobber that is manga Black has no bearing on the perfection that is anime Black.
If anything it are the mangafags that are BTFO because the manga is a boring piece of shit with no tension whatsoever.
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>http://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-super-chapitre-19-premieres-images/
>the chapter actually ends when Zamasu appears in the future

>one month to know if Rose was canon all this time or not
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>>150964411
It literally never happens where the god aura spouts out and even if you try to mix in the typical god form with rage it doesnt make sense since god form doesnt deal with rage at all.

>blacks ki fucked up because it wasnt goku

Yes it is. It's Goku's body therefor it shouldve acted accordingly. If that was the case then Goku's aura would've also been different when it was possessed by Ginyu.
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>>150964887
>Yes it is. It's Goku's body therefor it shouldve acted accordingly. If that was the case then Goku's aura would've also been different when it was possessed by Ginyu.

Different methods of possession.

Ya'll thinking far more about this than Toriyama is, just roll with it.
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>>150964817
>manga Black jobs as SS against a SSB
>anime Black jobs as SSR against a SSB

So the humiliated one is anime-Black who jobbed using a form thousands times stronger than manga-Black's
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>>150964173
He said he's perfectly happy with the manga. He has voiced his distaste for the anime though and that's why they got a budget increase and has fired 2 animation directors already.
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So I don't get this fut with manga vs the anime, Is the manga all entirely canon and the anime is just garbage ass lies?
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so manga Black is still Zamasu right?
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what does nip think about this?
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>>150964444
Toei doesn't even have the rights to the Dragon Ball franchises outside of making an anime adaptation.
Shueisha/Jump had to put down their feet and establish the Dragon Ball Room so they can control the quality of their franchise being whored out by Toei.
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>>150964931
>>anime Black jobs as SSR against a SSB
>Implying
jobetafags are always so quick to forget.
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>>150964981
>using Naruto filler as "argument"
>also implying I'm jobetafag

So cute
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>>150965017
>>using Naruto filler as "argument"
>Filler
>When we are talking about the anime
I see you are no just delusional, you are fucking stupid as well.
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>>150965044
Anime is nothing but filler and padding.
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>>150964854
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>>150965061
>watching something you just don't enjoy
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>>150965044
>so filler can be used if we talk about the anime
So DBZ Buu saga-Goku as SS2 is stronger than DB Buu saga-Goku as SS3?
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>>150965086
I enjoy it, but I have come to terms with the fact it's mostly filler as padding.
Modern day Toeishills are no different than GTfags.
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>>150965086
>not judging rightly something because you enjoy it
That's why you are wrong and nobody loves you, anon
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Does anyone have a link to the DBS volume 2 interview?
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>>150965061
We are talking about anime Black being a jobber.
Everything that happens in the anime is canon to the anime.
By saying that everything that doesn't fit your argument is filler/padding just confirms how fucking retarded and delusional you are.
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>>150965199
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-2-toyotaro-sensei-super-anatomy/
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So this is the last page of the chapter... no ssr.
As a manga fan I am very dissapointing. I dont really care about the ssr bullscrap ehat irks me is how easy black was being manhandled by vegeta even though :
1.zamasu is supposed to be a fighting genuis yet cant bring out the full potential of goku so he is no better then ginyu
2.black's personality just isnt good enough. he seems like a nervous kid and thats supposed to be our villain?
3. manga is going to end soon in a rushed way again.
Dont compare with the anime I dont give a fuck about that crap at all
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>>150965265
Thanks
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>people letting the anime skew their view of levels


There is no way SS2 Trunks and an Enemy at or slightly above that level could ever compete with SSB
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>>150965089
I have no idea what you are talking about, but comparing super to Z is fucking stupid, because Z had an actual source material while super doesn't.
>inb4 the super manga is the source material
No it isn't because the anime and Manga are basically 2 separate things since the anime is way ahead of the manga and the fact that the anime only follows Toriyama's basic outline and takes practically nothing from Toyotaro's manga.
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>>150965237
I'm not even the dude you were arguing with, just here to make fun of the joke plot that is Toei's work
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>>150965325
Doesn't matter point still stands.
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>>150965308

> People still thinking Toriyama, Toyotaro, or anyone at Toei gives or has ever given a rat's ass about power level consistency
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>>150965266
>3. manga is going to end soon in a rushed way again.
Worst case scenario everything ends next chapter.
Backstory about zamasu and black.black/ zamasu fuse fight goku and vegeta for a bit maybe overpower them because of zamasu immortality. they oit of options. goku presses the button. zeno comes in the end. thats the road we heading... what can you do toyotaro clearly planned on elaborating this arc and go with a slower pace but toryiama wants him to be ahead of the anime and now we get another fucked up rush job.
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Can someone rip chapter 12 and 13 of DBS from Viz?
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>>150965370
Point is anime barely deserves the word canon.
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>>150965266
I hoped for toyotaro to fix where the anime fucked up but this is underwhelming. at least it got rid of all the bullshit but its still lame lol.
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And my point you illiterate retard is that the anime and the manga are its own things and so have their own canon.
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>>150965316
>I have no idea what you are talking about
In some shitty DBZ filler, SS2 Goku basically fights Buu better than SS3 Goku does in the manga, so according to you DBZ SS2 Goku was stronger to DB SS3 Goku (the manga one)

>comparing super to Z is fucking stupid
Lucky I don't do it, I'm just taking your logic, "filler is canon to the anime so actually counts"
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>>150965486
Obviously, but I'm here to trigger your dumb ass.
Enjoy your shadowclones faggot.
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>>150965528
>I was only pretending to be retarded.
I am so triggered right now, anon you sure got me.
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>>150965500
>Completely ignoring half of my post
>What is reading comprehension
Are you really this stupid?
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>>150965572
Real canon is the Plot Outlines so no matter how hard you defend your padding and filler you're not going to convince or make a good argument regardless.
Just accept the fact no one cares about whatever you're butthurt about and just stop being so rustled.
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>>150965442
Both the manga and the anime have their shit points. One keeps fagging the antagonists and make the heroes full jobbers and the other one makes the bad guy look like fucking chumps. It needs balance.Sadly we dont got that.
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>>150965621
>Real canon is the Plot Outlines
If you want to go that route then the manga isn't canon either.
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>>150965401
>toyotaro clearly planned on elaborating this arc and go with a slower pace but toryiama wants him to be ahead of the anime and now we get another fucked up rush job.
I noticed the manga went full speed mode at chapter 18
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>>150965662
It's closer and actually is actually overseen by TA himself.
The anime on the other hand? Even I haven't checked the final script, let's enjoy this together (laughs)!!
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>>150965266
So far for me U6 <Trunks arc.
Depends if toyotaro comes up with something spectacular next chapter but I doubt it but we will see. This whole manga needs to be ahead of the anime was a bad idea. I rather have toyo work relaxed and implement everything he wants then end up with a fucking rush job. Every arc so far in the manga the chapters start out beautiful and by the end it goes full sonic lost.
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>>150965662
REAL CANON IS SUCING MY CHOCO
KUSO MEE TEH DA! CHOCO! succ succ succ!
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Basing on this chapter and everything could end the next chapter...

I think that Toei's version is more fun than the manga. While you could argue that the explanations in the manga are way better than the anime , it doesn't take away the fact that Toei presented Black way better than Toyo did.
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>>150965735
>>150965266

Sry meant to say U6> trunks arc
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>>150965708
Toyotaro fill the plot outline with his own stuff as well, just because Tori says its fine doesn't make it any less Toyo's OC.
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>>150965401
>Worst case scenario everything ends next chapter.

what I'm expecting.
manga will not go ahead of the anime unless they end it next month.
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>>150957206
Better to me than "whenever he fights he gets stronger" crap
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>>150965819
It kinda has to since the nee arc will start february 5th in the anime... since the anime always stretches out stuff the february chapter release should put itself automatically ahead of the anime.
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>>150965780
See
>>150963895
And see:
>>150961113
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>>150964347
>trunks
>godform

No. You are retarded. Kys, Pedro.
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>>150965853
>It kinda has to since the nee arc will start february 5th in the anime

indeed. And with only one chapter left... I fear we might get another rush job...
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>>150965599
>Completely ignoring half of my post
Anon, are you literally retarded?
Your post was writing by the assumptions of I was comparing Super to Z also assumption that I think manga is the source material. Since both assumptions are wrong, your post is totally irrelevant like your whole existence. Now please proceeds to kill yourself because you are a failure as human
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>>150965401
This might actually how the manga will end.
>No potara retcon/no vegito
>no zenkai asspull
>no trunks god form
>no spirit sword asspull with imaginary kids
>no slimey evangelion reject
I am fine with it even though its gonna be underwhelming its logical.
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>>150957019
My headcanon states that 17 and 18 are each approximately 150% the strength of (kid) Trunks and Goten during the Buu saga respectively. Maybe after they spent a day in the room of spirit and time were they possibly equal or stronger than the androids.
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>>150957193
That is still bullshit since they are like 13-15 now and Gohan was only 5 when he went to Namek and he was 9 when he fought cell.
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>>150965266
It sucks that Black isn't the cocky piece of shit we all know and love but overall the way the story progresses in the manga is better than the retarded triple time-travel bullshit we got in the anime.
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>>150957019

Goten and Trunks are weaker than namek ssj Goku, likely weaker than 100% namek Frieza too.

They're pushovers who are only powerfull when fused.

17&18 kick their asses.
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>Blackfags and Animefags BTFO in 6 pages
Is there anything /ourguy/ Toyotaro can't do?
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>>150957019
I'd guess so. During the Buu Saga, the scene where they face 18 could be interpreted as them being stronger, but it was never outright stated.

Super definitely seems to be pushing them as weaker than the androids.
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>>150958286

Not quite.
Ss black is losing.
To vegeta no less.

I feel like tha manga makes everything too easy.

"here's a bad guy, he's hyped. But he's so weak SSGSS vegeta can stomp him without even trying. Epic fight huh?"

They did the same with Hit, albeit to a lesser extent.
Manga is too much of a saiyan asskisser if you ask me.

In the anime saiyans are at least inferior to types such as Hit, and argueably Frieza if Frieza just was'nt so impatient.
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TOEIKEKS BTFO

HOW WILL THEY RECOVER ONCE THE MANGA SHOWS VEGETTO TO BE OVERWHELMINGLY STRONG AND CHANGES THE ASSPULL BULLSHIT WITH TRUNKS INTO SOMETHING REASONABLE
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Mangashills keep defending this piece of shit manga when couldn't even make a villain competent and underwhelming
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>>150967674
I mean, remember Black's first battle in the anime? He lost to SSJ2 Goku. At least here Vegeta is using SSJB already. If he tries to end everything next chapter it does seem like things will get very rushed though, since they'd need to go through SSJ Rose and fused Zamasu (although melting Zamasu likely wasn't a Toriyama design and won't be in the manga).
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>black getting BTFO this fast

kek even ginyu-goku lasted longer
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>>150967674
The big dif between the two adaptations is that in the manga Blue is an ultimate ability with impact and stamina drain.
The anime has a flanderized version that's spammed with no consequence and been overshadowed by dumb multipliers like Kaioken. It might as well be a SSJ tint in the anime the way they've been treating it.
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>>150957019
In the Yo! Son Goku and his Friends Return special, it's stated that Avo and Cado are together are now slightly stronger than Frieza was on Namek and Goku remarks that it'd be a close matchup for Goten/Trunks (unfused).

So yeah, 17 and 18 are much stronger than Trunks and Goten.
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>>150967674
Hit was bullshit in the anime imo. I mean in the manga it's implied that Hit was holding back because of the tournament rules and could get even stronger if he wanted, since he says he rarely has to use the full power of his time skip and is grateful that he gets to fight someone as strong as Goku. Also he's not really a pushover as he manages to barely keep up with Super Saiyan God Goku, although he was still outmatched at that point.

In the anime he effortlessly handles SSB Goku and Vegeta, who didn't suffer from the "10 % SSB rule", and it literally takes a kaioken x10 just to stalemate him. And then he just start getting stronger for no reason after like a few minutes of fighting and start overpowering X10 Goku, all while holding back from using his best techniques. They just went too overboard with him, especially since supposedly Beerus and Champa are supposed to be much stronger than him, and if Goku needs kaioken x10 to just match Hit, then the amount of power creep he would need to reach Beerus is just retarded.
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>>150956299
This makes sense, which is why Black ran away from goku's timeline since he couldn't dare beat vegeta
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>>150957206
Manga author is Toriyama, he even oversees it before it goes out
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>>150967948
yea right, goten and trunks were pushing 17 over in the tournament and only lost because she told them she was gonna rat them out
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>>150963136
>>150957321
The original was yellow since this concept was BEFORE ROSE WAS EVEN REVEALED, this is shopped you retards
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>>150957586

>t. black
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>>150968209
>The original was yellow since this concept was BEFORE ROSE WAS EVEN REVEALED, this is shopped you retards
Wtf are you talking about? ssrose was only revealed after it aired. Toryiama made ssr you fuckwit.
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>>150958276
It makes sense since trunks is not suppose to be able to sense god ki
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>>150968209
You gotta be baiting
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>>150968272
Yes, that concept drawing was shown before he was aired, with regular yellow ssj hair
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>>150967997
I agree the reason people think Manga-Hit is "nerfed" in comparison is because
1) The narrative is rushed in comparison to the weekly show.
2) Anime Hit is full blown retarded with no logic or reason behind his plot convenient hax powers.
The complainers have been too spoiled by Toei milking out the plot outline and trying to fit in as much overpowered bullshit to sell hype.
If you go into reading the manga with a logical perspective concerning stamina conservation and exerting power levels during spell channeling it's more reasonable and enjoyable on its own merits.
The only thing better would be if Toriyama gets back to work in Bird Studio alongside Toyo for a Weekly manga so it doesn't need to rush.
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>>150968322
No it wasnt you fucking idiot.
Stop talking out of your ass.
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>>150956931
So we are actually going to see Krillin , 18 , 17 and buu in action? And gohan
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>muh canon

YOU FAGGOTS REALLY ARGUING ABOUT THIS SHIT IN A DRAGON BALL THREAD?

you're talking about an author who literally though Yamcha was a saiyajin at one point

A guy who forgot launch existed past DB

A guy who says Goku is a 5 and Beerus a 10 (despite Goku keeping up with beerus )

At this point even if he is the series creator it's best to only link Toei and Toyotaro to any legit DBS canon as Toriyama clearly wants to just retire, he's old and forgetful DBS is just a love letter to Toyo's AF so he's basically letting him do whatever he wants with only a little guidance so Toyo doesn't steal his thunder

Toyo is lit and Tori is shit
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>>150968322
Yeah sure too bad this on jumps website you moron. Again with the falseflagging.
Ssr is canon faggot.
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>>150968367
>Toyo is lit and Tori is shit
Opinion discarded
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>>150968368
Not canon at all since it's a Toei original like Trunks new form
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>>150968367
>being this retarded
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>>150968393
>Not canon at all since it's a Toei original like Trunks new form
Wut... ssr was designed by toryiama himself. Trunks new form was created by toei. there is a difference faggot
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>>150967904
WRONG

>Vegeta you used SSB twice once against Caba and then vs Hit
>This is like turning on and off a car where it consumes more fuel to restart it than just leaving it idle
>you were at 1/10th your power vs hit because you showed off SSB to Caba like this while Goku only used it for hit

this was more or less dialogue from the anime by Whis to why Vegeta is an idiot
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>>150968440
That statement didn't prove me wrong at all.
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>>150962269
2chan literally has given up on super.
Announcement thread of the newest arc 5 posts and its been up for 2days now. pokemon gets more poster in 10min then whole of dragonball in 1 week nowadays there. Dragonball reached a point of such annoyance that its the equivalent of naruto on /a/. so expect trolls fuck up threads when a someone post actually quality content about super.
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>>150967674
>Ss black is losing.
Like SSR Black in his last fight vs Vegeta. Those time travels looks really stupid in the anime, Toyotaro just make it in one, without those pointless travels made in Toei

>Hit
god dammit no
this >>150967997 fucking this
anime Hit was a fucking joke, the guy just becomes several times stronger fighting 5 minutes also when Goku goes KKx10 Toei totally ignores the whole point of Hit, special techniques to surpass enemies more powerful than him. Even if when manga Goku "breaks" Hit's timeskip this still being relevant and Goku should use strategy (using Blue at the right time exact) to take advantage. When Goku goes KKx10 is just "hey your timeskip basically doesn't exist anymore so this is now a regular boring fight with a lot of rapid punchs and kicks"

Also this >>150967904
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>Black and Zamasu are shit villains in both manga and anime

Oh wow, never seen that coming, so surprised, wow
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>>150967788

Lost is'nt exactly right, Black and ssj2 Goku were evenly matched with black having the advantage mostly.
It pretty much ended in a draw with black being drawn back into time.

I don't mind black being beat up, as long as he makes a damn good comeback.

I don't see much use in throwing low level opponents at them since then you only get boring, one sided battles.
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>>150968436
>ssr was designed by toriyama himself
No proof for that
Drawed by Toriyama =/= designed by Toriyama
Also
some thing designed by Toriyama =/= an actual canon point in his story
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>>150967788
>He think ssrose will be in the manga
Cute. they going to fuse. Vegeta and goku wont be able to cope with the immortality hax. goku pushes the zeno button. Zamasu gets whipped out of existence. the end.
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>>150960613
toyofags because they jerk off over the manga version of geoff johns
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>>150968676
Stop being fucking retarded.
Toryiama designed black+ zamasu. because they are supposed to be part of the story outline. why do you talk about movies? toryiama never wrote the movies besides rof and bog so of xourse they not canon faggot. super though is written by him. Its not that complicated if you aint an underage mongol
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>>150968436
>ssr was designed by toryiama himself.
>Designed by Toriyama = canon

So I guess Broly is canon now
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>>150968742
Boly story was never written by toryiama.
You stupid faggot
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>>150968440
So are you saying Blue is in the manga an ultimate ability with impact in the battle and stamina drain, exactly like >>150967904 ?
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>>150968742
>Comparing canon material to movie.
Mangafags all over the place with their stupidity
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>>150968783
Don't lump me in with him.
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>>150968616
2chan dragonball threads used to be on fire. Only after the bullshit ending they stopped caring. They also dont really follow the manga apart from a few purists but like you said nowadays they get shut down by troll post when they try to discuss it. IF you want you dose of japanese opinion of the series there is onlt twitter left but its full of underage fags so good luck lol.
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>>150968734
>Stop being fucking retarded.
You first

Toryiama designed black+ zamasu. because they are supposed to be part of the story outline.
So...

>why do you talk about movies?
Why do you think I'm talking about movies?

>super though is written by him
So...

Anon, are you implying since DBS is writing by Toriyama, any idea which appears in his mind is finally turned canon? Which also implies Rose was not only drawed but created by Tori, so literally theorizing? Are you actually so stupid?
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>>150968872
>twitter
Thats where all the japanese gt fags are no thx
There is no real nip place to discuss dragonball right now. Lets hope the universal tournament gets them hyped.
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>>150968935
>Lets hope the universal tournament gets them hyped
Japanese dont pick up stuff once they dropped it anon.
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canon vs noncanon
anime vs manga
power level faggotry

The same shit every single thread, and yes I will absolutely remind you autistic assholes each time your sperging tirades suddenly show up.
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>>150962269
>Some based nip was about to upload all the pages
Did you save them?
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>>150968617

Not exactly.
His last fight against Vegeta he was just making clones that kept him busy.
He was not losing at all.
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>>150969072
First 3 pages lol thread got taken down by the mods for inappropriate posting.
2chan is fucking shite if you want to discuss dragonball content. They either butthurt or just want to get rid off all db content./discussion
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>>150969193
>They either butthurt or just want to get rid off all db content./discussion
Its because they consider super as a shitty series. you got that stamp you get trolls but their taste is questionable this fuckers all autistic for pokemon which is probably the worst anime series ever.
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>>150956931
>Tien, Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin
>also 17 and 18
fuck
YEAH
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>>150969193
>if you want to discuss dragonball content. They either butthurt or just want to get rid off all db content./discussion
Is dragonball the naruto of 2chan or something?
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>>150969193
Whats the japs opinion on the manga?
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okay since there's some autistic faggot here I'm gonna explain it for him

Toriyama wants something being canon = something is canon
Toriyama doesn't want something being canon = something isn't canon

>b-but if was designed by Toriyama..!
Toriyama created the whole Neko Majin Z manga, Jaco The Galactic Patrolman manga too (among many others). You know why Neko Majin Z's story totally created by Toriyama isn't canon to DB but Jaco's story it's? Because Toriyama wants.

Drawed by Toriyama doesn't means canon.
Designed by Toriyama doesn't means canon.
Created by Toriyama doesn't means canon.
Only fucking accepted as canon by Toriyama means canon.

So yeah maybe (we don't know yet) was Toriyama who said to Toei "hey what if Black have pink haired color as SS?", maybe. And maybe he retracted and made Toyotaro use golden instead pink or maybe he doesn't care at all so allows Toyotaro use golden because wasn't a relevant point in their plot and is just a pointless color (because both manga Black and anime Black finally jobbed vs Vegeta in the same way).
So basically wait for the manga. If Rose is canon, will appears without a doubt, if doesn't appears is literally lesser relevant for Toriyama than a look to the Nameless planet (>>150962125)
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>>150969315
>>150969334
See>>150968616
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>>150969361
You responded the other anon question but I still dont know what the japs.opinion is on the manga.
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>>150969418
Eh the japs care more about the anime then the manga. Only a few talk about the manga but these fews always deliver but now is not possible with all the shitposters wanting to take down db threads.
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>>150956931
17 is back? Never thought I would see the day
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>>150962269
How was the fight choreography?
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>>150969474
So overall super has reached garbage tier in japan...
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>>150969474
fight fire with fire? go to tor to really fuck their favorite threads up.

I dont speak moon so i dont see the appeal of 2chan myself honestly. maybe for reveals?
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>>150969583
Toyo does amazing work when it comes to art.
Content wise its meh.
>>150969591
Pretty much yeah. dragonball is actually not doing so good in japan. xenoverse has shit sales. were it not for europe and usa xenoverse wouldnt be a thing.
Manga has improved their sales but still not enough. There was a time especially where black destroyed trunks/vegeta and goku in their second fight thats where I felt the threads and the hype was at their peak in japan.
>>150969621
Reveals and also early manga scans.
Used to be a comfy place before the trunks arc ending happened
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Shouldn't Krillin be getting old and wrinkly soon?
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>>150969732
>Used to be a comfy place before the trunks arc ending happened
Literally /a/
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>>150969732
I remember a post of an anon saying dbs is going to get screwed over cause the japanese wanted to mass drop the series after zamasu died. guess it was not far from the truth.
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>>150969767
Eh
It was already kinda shit with all the Trunksfags and Maifags spamming the threads with their shipping faggotry and roleplaying if anything the ending kinda ended that.
So now we ended up exactly where we started before the Trunks arc began. Just like the arc itself
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>>150969859
>the japanese wanted to mass drop the series after zamasu dies.
I don't blame them.
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>>150969918
The gay and fujoshi fags were fucking horrible. especially the yaoi posters. glad thats out of the picture.
But it used to be better. I enjoyed the trunks arc memes.
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>>150969918
Super is playing it tremendously safe. They either will have to eventually retcon End of Z OR do a amnesia memory wipe on the DB cast like pokemon does in a way.

This series was poorly thought out however, the first movie is solid though new art can be divisive the second movie hardly made sense. Universe 6 arc is underwhelimg to say the least, Zamasu arc was fun but shitty with back and forth traveling, Goku forgetting senzu/talisman

The memes were the best thing for super(Goku getting lazer'd meme, zamasu memes, all the gag character baiting newfags)
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>>150970086
End of Z will probably be an episode in Super desu senpai
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>>150957019
It's not about power. Hasn't been in a long time. Roshi is there. They are just repeating the Freeza movie formation + androids.
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>>150969732
So, DBS is Naruto of 2ch
Still, what's the butthurt? Trunkfag?
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>>150956931
So we enter the multiversal tournament arc this soon... and we havent visited planet salad or seen the GoD of U10.
tfw we wont get any inter-universal world exploration. Toryiama is a fraud.
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>>150967656
18 was better than both of them combined, and 17 was better than 18.
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>>150963513
Fanservice. Yamcha was relegated to be a gag character forever because of that one scene. Despite his power level being relatively close to Krillin and Tenshinhan. Roshi fills a badass grandpa niche.
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>>150960038
That's Gohan.
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>>150970343
>Still, what's the butthurt? Trunkfag?
Eh a mix of potara retcon, zamasu dying in a bullshit way and the bad ending to the arc. Dbs went to full shitters on 2 chan with the last two episodes kinda like on /a/ except that /a/ recovered and 2chan is literally making sure to fuck up all dragonball threads. since they do not really care about the manga besides a few guys that too gets shitted upon.
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>>150958138
>cucks
>sucks
>cucks

good lord man, read a book and try to gain some new vocabulary.
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Just wondering.

After rewatching the Goku vs. Majin Vegeta fight, I've noticed something.

In the dub Vegeta really likes to almost recite poetry while fighting. Maybe it's just Sabat's delivery and the script translation, but Vegeta appears to be quite the romantic. In the literary/artistic sense, not in the wine-and-dine with Bulma on Valentines day sense.

Especially the exchange between Majin Vegeta and Goku just before they begin to fight. The lines Majin Vegeta says strongly imply that Vegeta can't wait to fight Goku just before the apocalyptic end of Earth as everything will be destroyed by Majin Buu.

So, is that just the dub, or is that in the manga, Kai and the japanese version too?
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>>150970448
>expecting a 12 year old mexican to have a rich vocabulary
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>>150970429
>Roshi fills a pervert niche in a series full of asexuals.
Fix'd
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>>150970362
The cash cow is drying up. Toei realized nobody is buying so they are giving it up with one final arc to cut their losses asap.

>>150970448
>>150970499


that shit is 100% bait you 100% niggercucks
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>>150970510
Vegeta isn't asexual.

>that scene where bulma gives him a little kiss on the cheek when everyone is watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peZ4eT6Orj4
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>>150957277
>>150957351
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>>150969193
A always the Manga is better than the Anime. What's better is that it looks like Vegeta is getting his time to shine without jobbing TWICE before. Also, not retarded and repetitive Time Travelling from past to future.
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>>150970441
Fucking nips and their autistic I wont forgive you attitude. I guess imma have to watch my dbs on crunchyroll I dont want it to get screwed over by some radioactive monkeys
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>>150970586
>drive me closer so i can hit him with my sword!
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>Some people actually thought zamasu was a better villain then frieza
The amount of shit taste here is off the charts
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>>150970572
>merely pretending to be retarded..

ah I forgot, excuse me.
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>>150970682
Fucking this
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>>150970683
>merely pretending to take bait

we can play this game if you want anon, I have out baited you countless times.

Manga is garbage btw, super is better.
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Where is my Chi Chi?

Hi?
hi...
someone hi :(
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>>150970468
>or is that in the manga, Kai and the japanese version too?

Nope, japanese was:

>Muh pride
>Muh kakarot
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>>150970008
>I enjoyed the trunks arc memes.
Me too, the Zamasu arc was running entirely on memes and I loved every second of it.
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>>150970499
¿What? Say that to my face not on wifi stupid Super baby
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>>150970439
what's the difference?
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>>150970682
Zamasu didn't beat Frieza on the villain scale, but I will say in my opinion, he was a lot more interesting than Cell and Buu.

Zamasu almost feels like Toriyama took a Final Fantasy villain gag from one of his more gag-centric manga and shoved it in Dragonball.

And I fucking love it.
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>>150970907
kek/10
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>>150967080
>We all know and love

Who is this "we"
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>>150971081
He is a Blackfag.
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>>150971081
fuck off u spic/nigger
go stream your shitty anime
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>>150970362
this isn't the multiversal tournament
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>>150965266
Read the chapter. I don't see this ending next month. I don't think Toyo will pass the anime any time soon.
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