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Will Fate ever be this good again?

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Will Fate ever be this good again?
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No, we mobileshit now,.
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>Fate
>good
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>>150887161
Zero was pretty good
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>>150887204
>>150887101
> zero
> good
It was. But when you start a conversation with zerofags? That's a whole slew of bad descisions and cases of murder.
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>>150887256
>But when you start a conversation with zerofags?
I just like to make these threads to chit chat about fate and stir the pot on /a/
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>>150887101
Nope. We full chuuni waifu powerlevel pandering now
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Zero made for the funnest discussions apart from the whole >secondaries shitflinging.

I miss it.
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>>150887330
The shitflining was fun too. Ir's always good to have an undercurrent of distrust of outsiders and newbies on the board. Encouraging the glamorization of crap like the VN is a great way to keep outsiders out, and break in the smarter newfriends
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>>150887287
Then go forth.
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I ship Iris and Saber
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>>150887359
I was more annoyed at how successful it was in constantly derailing on-topic threads but looking back, yeah it was good fun. I suppose you can't stop a Frodo thread from attracting shitflinging anyway.
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>>150887532
>off topic
Zero was objectively a deep and mature anime
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it was pretty bad
butcher is terrible
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>>150887101
Did people actually enjoy Zero more than the original VN?
The VN was much more immersive imo. Encountering a servant felt like your life was in danger.
By comparison, Zero felt more like watching a really good action movie. Everything looked great and everyone was really capable, but you're just watching from the sidelines.
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>>150887761
“VN” oh you mean shitty the self-insert porno game,
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>>150887761
>Encountering a servant felt like your life was in danger.
Odd, because I felt the exact opposite. Maybe it's because I'm a filthy secondary, but I was bored out of my mind with servants in the VN. No matter what, you knew for certain that there would eventually be some "miraculous stroke of luck that came out of nowhere and saved Shirou's ass." That was the whole VN
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>>150887995
The best part of the game is when you make bad decisions anon.
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>>150887817
/thread
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>>150888141
Why? Unless you're going into it already knowing how the VN works, there is no apparent rhyme or reason to it; it just feels like the author is forcing you to play along with a typical shounen sequence of events and DEMs
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>>150887101
>again
when was it ever good?
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>>150887481
This!
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It's already better.
>he thinks "but it's a mobage.." is an argument
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>>150887101
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/uhRGMUpOK8BjPpYtN3IbLg/

You do know mods ban for spamming and reposting, right?
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Nah.
>>150887761
>immersion

VN's like video games, are an interactive medium. You're basically saying that Stay Night, which is a VN, felt like a VN, while Fate Zero, which was light novel and then show, felt like a show. That said, the servants came off as more dangerous in Zero, in which Kiritsugu had misgivings about going up even against the like of Assassin. Low power levels for the masters, fostering a heavier awareness of their mortality was one of the things that made Zero great. Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uua5SPPTwdo

Gilgamesh also felt scarier and more unstoppable than he ever did again.
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You can't go back to the VN after reading Zero.

God, Nasu's stuff is unreadable compared to Butcher's
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>>150888860
It's only unreadable for you since that's a shitty translation you're reading.
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>>150888860
Butcher's writing in the F/Z LN mimicked FSN's prose since both Nasu and Gen wrote it together,
The English translation for both the LN and VN are horrible.
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>>150887761
Yeah, at least I did but I've seen it before playing the game.
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>>150887761
>Did people actually enjoy Zero more than the original VN?
If you ask this question outside of prominent imageboards and TM forums your answer would be yes.
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>>150889006
Why would you do that?
That's like playing Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep before playing Kingdom Hearts.
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>>150887101
Conflict in Stay Night
>Which girl am I gonna fug?
>Should I save the bully?
>Character development consists of getting stronger and shonen-tier "believing in yourself"

Conflict in Zero
>How do we value a life?
>Multiple angles of the trolley problem
>Proving you're not bound by your family history
>Do the ends justify the means?
>Every character has their own objectives and morals in conflict with the others
>Actual character development and character arcs where they grow and learn from eachother

Urobuchi actually has a basic grasp on storytelling and writing interesting people, instead of Nasu's chuuni power fantasy.
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>>150889139
I think you're underselling Nasu's conceptualization of Shirou's character and theme's in the VN, but you are not wrong.
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>>150889139
>How do we value a life?
>Proving you're not bound by your family history
>Do the ends justify the means?
>Every character has their own objectives and morals in conflict with the others
All of these apply to FSN as well you retard, read the VN.
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>>150889094
That's actually what I did.
Played only bbs.
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UBW tv already came out.
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>>150889205
Aqua a best.
Terra is dead.
Ven is eternally in a coma.
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>>150889139
Pretty much this, though it's not surprising that Butcher can write a rather mature story, he isn't well known for nothing.

Nasu can do fine if he actually tries but he's nowhere near Butcher.
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>>150889334
This is what Gentards actually believe.

Majority of Gen's VNs are pure trash.

The only tolerable VN he ever made was Saya.
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>>150889334
You know Gen was heavily involved in Blassreiter right and Blassreiter sucked balls.

You could even say he was more involved in Blassreiter than Madoka, looking at the credits.
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>>150889334
Gen's name doesn't mean anything anymore

They slapped his name on Chaos Dragon and other anime and no one cares.
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Fate/stay night
>Should I really treat this fragile girl as a mere weapon? Will this girl ever be able to live a normal life?
>Should I really uphold this borrowed ideal even though someone who tried to do so was betrayed in the end?
>Should I really abandon my ideals just to see the happiness of this person?

Fate/Zero
>edge
>more edge
>kill everyone
>i'll save one child and get away with it
>oh by the way i'll burden my child with my childlike ideals and leave him alone in this world haha
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>>150889334
Kamen Rider Gaim, Madoka, F/Z and Saya were the only decent things he ever wrote.
Even Madoka was a rip off Kamen Rider Ryuki.
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>>150889483
It's just not as good. You're having to resort to blatant namecalling IN the satire

Just more evidence that Zero has the stronger argument on it's side. Its bait is always better
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>>150889483
This. Zero will never surpass Stay night. Shirou is a more interesting character than Kiritsugu.
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>>150889394
No creator is has a 100% hit rate. Just because and artist drops the ball a few times doesn't make their other work any worse. Kara no Kyokai is way stronger than Fate.

In terms of Fate properties alone, Gen made much better use of the world and formula with Zero than Nasu did in Stay Night.

The Holy Grail War as a plot structure is built to put 14 characters in conflict where only one of them can succeed.

Zero has heroes and villains all over the place, and gives us relatable characters on both sides in conflict with each other. The characters play off and learn from each other and events, and we get to see how they each react. Even if we like multiple characters, we know that only one of them can win, which creates drama and suspense.

In Stay Night, it's basically a videogame boss run, where Shiro and his friends need to defeat each one and move on to the next. We're only provided really one perspective, and those characters are all our heroes, and their enemies are all villains. We know Shiro will win, and we're just being told how he does it. There's no real drama to it.
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>>150887101
Zerofags sure are at it again.
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>>150889695
hehehehehehehehe
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>>150889690
Not to mention the sheer depth difference between characters. Saber, Gil, and Alexander sitting around a barrel of wine talking about what it means to be a king was more interesting than all dialogue and questions posed in Stay night.

This is also because Zero was Seinen while Stay night was shonen, at least the themes were, sex scenes being present or not doesn't change the maturity of the themes.
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>>150889690
>Gen made much better use of the world and formula with Zero

No, he didn't which was Gen caused the Frodo posters to appear.
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>>150889867
>sex scenes being present or not doesn't change the maturity of the themes.

It's quite ironic that Zero is clearly the more mature and grown up project
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>>150889908
>some shitposters on /a/ asking dumb questions while posting Frodo's dumb mug makes any difference for the topic at hand

Fucking hell
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>>150889867
>Saber, Gil, and Alexander sitting around a barrel of wine talking about what it means to be a king
I'd watch a 24ep show based solely on that.
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>>150887101
>Will Fate ever be this edgy and pretentious again?
FTFY.
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>>150887761
Zero is way more tightly written than FSN, so of course non-weebs would enjoy it more.
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>>150889483
>edge
>more edge

You didn't need to piss out a buzzword just to inform people that Zero was dark. Doesn't detract from it's quality, though, particularly when the setting involved a fight to death for use of the power of an Eldritch monstrosity. Having a casual date in the middle of that understandably wore upon people.
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>>150889956
Not dumb questions because F/Z is unable to be a standalone series by itself
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>>150889690
>>150889867
>this is what zerofags believe
Zero was written as a light novel which means we'll automatically know from the start that the protagonist (Kiritsugu) will survive/win the Holy Grail War. The story is linear. That doesn't give much suspense at all.

Stay night gave you the freedom of choice, your choices affects the ending you'll get. It encourages you to doubt your choice. That's what you call suspense. It's only a linear video game boss run if you're a faggot who uses walkthroughs and that's not how it's meant to be played.

It is also much easier to change perspectives in a novel, especially when it is written in third person so I agree that Zero was better at showing each character's interactions with others.

>Not to mention the sheer depth difference between characters. Saber, Gil, and Alexander sitting around a barrel of wine talking about what it means to be a king was more interesting than all dialogue and questions posed in Stay night.
That scene was good as well but you can't just deny Shirou and Archer's talking about their ideals in the Einzbern mansion to be very interesting as well. No fight in Zero could surpass Shirou and Kotomine's fight in Heaven's Feel too.

>This is also because Zero was Seinen while Stay night was shonen
What are you talking about? Zero and Stay night are both seinen.
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>>150890122
True, but at the same time FSN arguably holds more literary value due to its ambition and sprawling narrative. I think most people can agree that both works have their strengths and shit on the nu-Fate mobage and other cashgrabs.
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>>150890287
>FSN
>seinen

Nasufags are going at it huh
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>>150890317
Not him but, it literally is seinen. This isn't an argument, the current manga adaptation is in a seinen magazine.
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>>150890287
>Zero was written as a light novel which means we'll automatically know from the start that the protagonist (Kiritsugu) will survive/win the Holy Grail War.
I don't believe the medium has any relation to the actual content. By the same logic I could say that Stay Night is a VN so we know there'll be a teenage protagonist who gets to choose from a palette of anime girl stereotypes. Not necessarily true in either case.

>Stay night gave you the freedom of choice, your choices affects the ending you'll get. It encourages you to doubt your choice. That's what you call suspense.
I'm interested in what you mean by this. The fact that there are branching paths of the story doesn't change the structure of the story, just the events. Freedom of choice only creates suspense if it presents a challenge, like in traditional video games.

VN suspense is selecting an option and being put on a written track. Neither option is more difficult, and you're really only choosing which words will appear. If you're aiming for a certain ending, lets say Ending A, you just pick the option which seems to lead to Ending A. If it's unclear, there is a suspense, but it's created by the author, not the player. The same suspense exists in traditional literature by having a relatable character faced with a unclear decision.

Interaction only creates real suspense when challenge is involved. If a VN doesn't include regular death states so player are actually punished, there's no challenge, and therefor no suspense. Like a Megaman game where you take no damage. The interaction is not a suspenseful element without punishment and player skill.
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>>150890634
If you choose bad options in SN, you'll die or worse
You can always reload your save, yes. But Megaman games also allow you to retry the stage
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>>150890634
'Suspense' in FSN is drowned by the awful pacing and seemingly downtime after downtime after downtime. Zero, despite knowing how its going to end, is more suspenseful than FSN is, though that has to do with Urobochis skill as a writer compared to Nasu's.
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>>150890634
>I don't believe the medium has any relation to the actual content. By the same logic I could say that Stay Night is a VN so we know there'll be a teenage protagonist who gets to choose from a palette of anime girl stereotypes. Not necessarily true in either case.
Fair point.

>The fact that there are branching paths of the story doesn't change the structure of the story, just the events
Obviously, but it still affects ending. Choosing a bad option will lead you to the bad ending. It would be a different story if you chose a bad option but somehow survived due to an alter in events and the story continues as is.
>If it's unclear, there is a suspense, but it's created by the author, not the player.
I don't understand what you mean by this. Suspense is always created by the author, no?

>Interaction only creates real suspense when challenge is involved. If a VN doesn't include regular death states so player are actually punished, there's no challenge, and therefor no suspense.
Not necessarily. Visual novels are merely books which allows you get an ending depending on the choices you make. Think of a choose your own adventure book. It doesn't have to punish the reader to create suspense.
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>>150888610

Want to know how I know you're a secondary?
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>>150891076
Because he has an opinion differing from yours?
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>>150887101
>Zero
>good
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>>150888610
does that even play during the anime?

>Captcha: London 5300
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>>150891624
No. The Anime could have used it desu, there were so many reused tracks.
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>>150890287
>it was written as a light novel

Yes, yet it is considered a fantasy novel cause Butcher's writing is actually really well done from a technical point of view.
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>>150891812
That makes no sense, "light novel" isn't a genre classification. There are many light novels with writing neither Urobuchi nor Nasu could ever hope to match.
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>FSN
OH NOES WE GOTTA SCRAP THE ILLYA ROUTE, QUICK, MIX IT WITH SAKURA'S!!!1
>F/Z
Hey man that was super special awesome! How about I write a prequel? Would you oversee it? I feel this universe has lots of potential! :D
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>>150890945
>I don't understand what you mean by this. Suspense is always created by the author, no?
I was responding to the statement that having freedom of choice to select an ending creates suspense in VNs. The suspense comes from the characters choices as written by the author, not the players. If FSN was a novel with no choices and a single route, there would still be the same suspense, as created by the author. If it was dependent on player choice, there needs to be challenge.

In VNs the player selecting an ending created by the author based on character's choice. In more game-like video games, players are earning the ending through gameplay and their own skills.

For example, lets say Character A is going to fight a dragon. In a VN, the player is present with a choice to wear magic armor, or fire armor. If you've been paying attention, you know this is magical dragon, and choosing magic armor results in defeating the dragon, while fire armor means Character A dies and starts again. These are both scenarios created by the author. In an RPG game, even if the player equips fire armor, they can still beat the dragon by being good enough at the game. There's suspense in if YOU can do it via YOUR actions, not if Character A as written by the author can.

FSN has weak suspense & storytelling because it pretends to cram challenge into the VN structure. If it was a traditional video game, with the player controlling Shirou to defeat the other masters, there would be suspense of "Can I/Shirou beat Berserker?". But as a VN it's like reading a novelization of someone playing through MegaMan, including every time they died. Nasu even forced RPG style skill points into the story for some reason.

Zero has a plot which a authored storytelling and the formula of The Holy Grail War to it's benefit, creating a web of characters and forcing them into conflict.
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>>150892132
I understand your point, but the thing is, VNs aren't exactly "video games" unless they have gameplay like Fate/Extra. Like what I said previously, It's merely a book with choices that affects your ending, like a choose your own adventure book.

Also your example isn't entirely right. You merely said Character A is going to fight a dragon, it was never stated that the dragon was a magical dragon until you said it yourself. So the right choice would be to wear a fire armor that resists fire since dragons are fire-breathing creatures in general myth.
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>>150887761
I cant self insert into shitty retarded high school mary sue MCs having plot armor, niether do I want to.
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>>150889198
Not really. Not even close. Especially the way HF was written with Shiro 'losing his ideals' was so forced, and he treats like his 'ideal' is something special snowflake which no one has ever thought before.
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>>150893271
His ideal may not be that unique but he's one of the few people who actually tried to realize that ideal, but abandoned it to save a single person.
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>>150887761
it's for this reason I liked zero much more

I like to watch animes with competent characters which know or figure out stuff quick

when a plot twist happens I like to see it because of the competence of a character which set it up, not because of pure luck and mah plot armor
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>>150893334
Not really. His general plan to save pople was just to throw himself towards the attacker when somebody attacked. Also many people died in Fate and UBW yet he still gloats on like he's some shit. He was just really really lucky. He is just a bit more dumber and weaker Bittenfeld.
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>>150894443
>His general plan to save pople was just to throw himself towards the attacker when somebody attacked.
You clearly didn't read the VN. This never happened.
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>>150894512
It happened though
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>>150887101
that is one of the worst anime ever made though
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>>150894574
Show me proof faggot.
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>>150894684
Doesn't he chase after medusa at the school or something retarded like that
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>>150894512
>y-you didnt read the VN
typical fatefag response, I must have been told this about a dozen times now, and you arent helping your case.You just can fathom anyone calling your bible shit, so you just label them secondaries. And I had completed the VN a long time ago, unfortunately, I wish I didnt waste my time on that.
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>>150894792
He chased after Rider in UBW to find out who attacked the student and to try to reveal the third master in the school. He had a command spell to spare so he could have summoned Saber anytime. He didn't throw himself towards the attacker, he actually thought about it and chased after her, obviously you wouldn't know about this if you haven't read the VN.
>>150894954
You're not helping your case as well. You sound like an immature child right now who can't argue for himself so he has to rely on namecalling.
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>>150895104
I meant the first route you secondary
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>>150891647
>everyone hyped as fuck for Time Alter and/or Emiya remix
>The battle is to the strong every damn fight

I am still mad to this day
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>>150895191
What are you talking about? Shirou never chased Rider in Fate. He just hunted the third master in the school and found out it Shinji where he fought against him and when he was about to knock him out, Rider appeared. It was Saber who chased Rider.
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>>150895104
I just dont want to do it over and over again. I show examples, you shift the goalposts and twist the scene to fit your counterargument and it all keeps circling to infinity.
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>>150895289
It was Shinji*
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>>150895289
They run into rider when she wants to disuade him from the war.
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>>150895317
>you shift the goalposts and twist the scene to fit your counterargument
Yeah, just like you twist the scene to fit your argument?
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why did the motorcycle transform
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how come berserker dont find them when they are fucking saber in the cabin

how come saber gets her ass kicked by a karate man when she killed berserker a hundred times over before

who writes this shit
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>>150895572
Snake guy is legit as fuck and deserved to choke the bitch
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>>150888984
>The English translation for both the LN and VN are horrible.

This. It's fine if you just want to understand what happens in your waifu series, but in terms of actual prose it makes my eyes bleed just to look at it.

And in terms of theme/story/characterization neither are high art. Honestly, both are fairly below average even for standard entertainment. It's fine to enjoy it if that's what you like, but pretending one is better than the other in terms of quality is laughable.
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>lancer is as fast as speed of light
>couldnt kill shirou

>berserker is the strongest servant with a bigass rock
>doesnt smither shirou in pieces when he hits him

>shirou is magically healed after direct hit from berserker
>no one gives a shit about just sideline it as saber effect is never brought up again till the reveal

>sneaks out of the house roams the streets regularly like a headless chicken
>nothing happens to him
(muh 40 bad ends)
shit excuse, should happen much more than just illya hypnotising him once

Its just a power and sex fantasy game to self insert made for teennagers. Some faggots just became successful in hyping it up and making it out to be something more than that.
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>>150895459
Saber fused her armor with the motorcycle, it allowed her to shape the motorcycle as a magical beast.

>>150895572
>how come berserker dont find them when they are fucking saber in the cabin
Archer was fighting Berserker to give them time.
>how come saber gets her ass kicked by a karate man when she killed berserker a hundred times over before
Because she was taken by surprise. Just look at how pathetic Kuzuki looked when he tried to attack Archer who's attention was on him.
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>>150888984
But Zero reads nothing like FSN.
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>>150895811
>>lancer is as fast as speed of light
kek
He couldn't kill Shirou because Shirou was always two steps ahead in planning, preemptively throwing out reinforced weapons and whatnot. There'a a reason his future self becomes the Batman of Nasuverse.
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>>150895811
>lancer is as fast as speed of light
>couldn't kill shirou
Did you even pay attention? Lancer immediately killed Shirou at their first meeting, at their second meeting, he gave him a chance since it looked interesting because Shirou used magecraft.

>berserker is the strongest servant with a bigass rock
>doesnt smither shirou in pieces when he hits him
Because he has Avalon. Are you sure you read the VN?

>sneaks out of the house roams the streets regularly like a headless chicken
>nothing happens to him
You can't even argue properly. Shirou was never attacked when he was out in the morning because magus' doesn't fight when the sun is up because normal people are walking the streets. Shirou never walked around at night without Saber or a servant accompanying him.
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>>150895695
As far as contemporary urban fantasy goes, both are actually pretty top tier. Perhaps come back in a few years when you have more background information on Nasu's themes and inspirations for his writing.
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>>150895853
You're wrong
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The problem with SN is that everything is decided by shounen-tier asspulls.
The problem with Zero is that every character is a stupid manchild.
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>>150895961
nah shirou just got lucky. Extremely. Lancer throws his lance like bullet and it deflected from his paper sword? Can you block a bullet with a sword? The game is full of asspulls like this. Shirou is smart or anything, he is actually very dumb but also has plot armor. And the writing is shit. If lancer was actually as fast as he was previously made out to be (like shirou couldnt follow his movements) he would have killed shirou before he could even move a thousand times over before he could move to the shed.
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>>150894954
Smart chitoseposter
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>>150895986
>Are you sure you read the VN?
Are you sure you read the whole post? Or just your reading comprehension is shit?
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Why do these threads always devolve into retards complaining about plot points they didn't understand?
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>>150889334
>>150889139
I wish I had my "F/Z is for superior intellectuals like ourselves" memes on this PC.
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>>150896163
Oh, now that I've read it again, it's just a bunch of shitpost of a filthy secondary.
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>>150890181
>Having a casual date in the middle of that understandably wore upon people.

It goes to show that despite all the shit that's going on the characters are still just human.

It can be excused. They're teenagers, it'd be even MORE weird to have them act like professional serial killers all of a sudden.
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>>150896269
I didnt even watch the anime but whatever floats your goat.
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>>150896367
You still seem to be asking about plot points you don't understand.You either didn't read the VN, speedread, or maybe you're the one with bad reading comprehension.
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>>150896271
You can't expect the readers to take the story seriously when the characters can't be bothered either. This shows how fresh and mature Zero feels in comparison.
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>>150896594
Or maybe, just maybe, the game is actually shit. I know this may be hard for you to accept, neither can I force you to, so I'll just leave it at that.
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>>150896735
meant for
>>150896517
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>>150887101
it doesn't need to.It's making a lot of money.
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>>150887761
This, the VN is unparalleled in atmosphere. It was super ambitions in terms of characters and worldbuilding, and became a benchmark for "serious" VNs.

YUME NI MITE ITA
ANO HI NO KAGE NI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsYZy1g8jGs
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>100 posts later

kekekekeke
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>>150887761
>immersive
holy shit you are retarded
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>>150898710
Do you not read books?
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>>150898845
We are on 4chan, take a guess
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>>150898890
I have to assume the people on this board who are all over 18 had some form of entertainment which did not involve socialization before the internet was a thing.
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>>150898845
I wouldnt call the fsn vn immersive because it reads so awkwardly and it has terrible pacing.
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>>150887101
Yes.
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>>150898969
>I couldn't get into it so it can't be immersive for anyone
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>>150899005
Nice reading comprehension.
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>>150899005
Not him but he's right.

Is there a book version of it? Maybe it's less painfull to read.
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Fate/Zero was so fucking cool. Didn't pull its punches (compared to other fantasy anime series, anyway), there should be more like it.
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>>150899046
A book version would be just as painful to read and you know it. Nasu is notorious for purple prose and long-winded autism. Good thing that's what weebshit calls for, otherwise he'd be fucked.
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>>150899142
Actually I guess I was quite impressed by Kara no Kyoukai from Nasu, which was praised by the phenomenologist mystery writer Kiyoshi Kasai, and which, if not Buddhist, is at least Taoistic in its idea of inscrutable forces and melding together of opposites.
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>>150899111
>Didn't pull its punches
There was way too much caster bullshit
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>>150899244
Movie 5 was better than the book thanks to top tier directing.

Also those kind of ideas are present in pretty much all of Nasu's works (it's an integral part of his universe), Fate just has a bigger focus on action, and VNs have a lot fluff.
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>>150899375
Oh. The only Nasu visual novel I played, by the way, is Mahoyo which has more to do with the moving forward of technology and fairy tales/marchen.
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>It gets good after the first ten hours, promise!

Jesus Christ
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I enjoyed them both. And yes I did play the VN.
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>>150887101
If you're taking Nasuverse seriously you're doing something wrong.
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>>150900297
This. Finished the VN 100% and my favourite piece from anything type moon related is the UBW anime. It's incredible how well they nailed that route. I'm excited for the HF movie.
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>>150900297
I couldn't get past the first ep for zero.
The pacing was as bad as HF.

Does it get better? i might watch it out of curiosity.
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>>150887101
Zero was the peak.
Maybe when we get Babylonia adapted we can come close again
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>>150900574
It gets a bit better, it's mainly a dialogue heavy show. Definitely worth a watch but not as good as stay night.
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>>150900712
From what i can gather, it substitutes depth with "this is Dark an Gritty, so clearly it's and ADULT thing r-right."
Don't get me wrong the Original VN isn't a masterpiece by any stretch but atleast it doesn't sell itself as something it isn't.
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>>150900574
>The pacing was as bad as HF.

Oh please
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>>150888424
Yeah, at this point F/GO is a free VN with new chapters every few months. Babylon was fantastic.
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>>150900796
I couldn't pay any attention to Waver going on and being a brat, or the infodump on Kirei, most shows managed to atleast grab your attention with the first ep but this one just spend 20 minutes setting up the story.
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>>150900668
>Grand Order shitter
>also a Zerofag
Why am I not surprised.
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>>150900888
don't ever reply to me ever again unless you gain some good taste
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>>150889690

>No creator has a 100% hit rate

Anime fans really need to learn this already and can their fanboyism on certain people like Urobuchi, Sawano, Kajiura and basically everyone affiliated with popular Aniplex anime. Sick of hearing why these people are constantly amazing without any sort of vetting. Like sorry Gunslinger Stratos scenario design, script or whatever is just kind of generic arcade game crap and Sawano and Kajiura haven't had a soundtrack that stands out in years.
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>>150900886
>I didn't like it
Does not mean that a professional, premiere production company working with hundreds of thousands of dollars in investments is going to make the same pacing mistakes that two people working with a few hundreds of dollars are going to make.
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>>150900950
It's quite simple. If you don't agree that F/SN VN is the peak of the franchise, that Zero was fun but too Urobutcher'd at times, and that Grand Order is as cash-grabby as it gets, you're the one who needs good taste.
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>>150901011
For me, getting someone interested in the show with the first episode is important, heck even some shitty shounens have managed to atleast make you interested first episode.
If a hundreds of thousands of dollars budget can't get someone to stay interested in a story within 23 minutes then wouldn't that be a mistake?
Spending 20 minutes just getting info dumped on the first episode is a pretty bad start.
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>>150900989
>Gunslinger Stratos
Kek. I bet you think Urobuchi wrote Aldnoah Zero too.
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>>150901041
>Grand Order is as cash-grabby as it gets

It's a fucking mobage, of course it aims to bring money, doesn't change the fact that the last Orders were good in term of story, and Babylon was fucking great.
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>>150901091
>I like shitty shounens and expect the same from all other works
The introduction was fine imo
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>>150887101
I kind of liked a bit Extra better than Zero, I wouldn't feel as guilty about it if the combat system was much better instead of rock paper scissors and grinding. I can't say the same for CCC yet, maybe one day soon. While I do prefer SN over Zero, the pacing of both are a little slow and Heaven's Feel is slow until it starts snowballing after Shirou loses his arm. I still prefer Kara no Kyoukai over Fate by a lot.
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>>150901157
Fair enough, i couldn't keep my eyes open because it just info dumped shit i already knew and it was boring to receive the same lecture as i got on the fate route.
You're being a bit presumptuous about saying "I like shitty shounens" though.
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>>150901228
>i couldn't keep my eyes open because it just info dumped shit i already knew and it was boring to receive the same lecture as i got on the fate route.

As a subhuman secondary I didn't have this problem at all
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>>150901278
Yeah, that's true.
The info dump and world building for people who are unfamiliar might draw you in, it was painful for me since i already knew everything and it was presented slowly as if they wanted to make sure to spend every last minute of the first episode doing that info dump on the setting.
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>>150887817
>self insert into sword autist
I bet you get an erection when you see a medieval armory.
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>>150900781
Big Brown emperor gets killed by Gilgamesh
Lancer kills himself again
Caster wants to bang Saber but dies
Gilgamesh gets reincarnated
Berserker=Lancelot
Saber loses
Kiritsugu fucks everything up.
Kotomine is a beast

There. I spoiled it for you.
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>>150902308
JETS
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>>150887101
It was never good to begin with
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