what makes a tsundere a good tsundere?
Best tsundere.
>>150880175
Not being a bitch.
>Eri
>bad tsundere
>>150880175
blonde tsundere master race reporting in
>>150880312
FPBP
>>150880380
I disagree, therefore your opinion is invalid.
>>150880175
>babies first dere
>good
>>150880175
Every fucking time this thread comes up and you faggots argue about it. The answer is clear: there's no such thing as a good tsundere.
>>150880520
All tsundere are both bad and good at the same time. Ya'll have shit taste
Good tsunderes don't exist. Take a fucking sip babes.
>>150880175
All tsundere is both good and bad.
Life is good and bad.
tsundere is life.
>>150880175
Louise wouldn't have to be a shit tsundere if Saito wasn't a shit personAlso I liked Mine in the manga
If her tsundere side makes sense with the rest of her personality, she is a good tsundere.
If it feels forced, she is a bad one.
Something like that, maybe.
Please stop being mean to my wife biribiri
>>150880175
Mine is cute!
>>150880380
This.
Why the hell would I want my heroine to be a twat? If she acts like a bitch, she's going to be treated like a bitch.
My chart would basically look like yours, but I would move Erina to good. She's awesome and her character has really gotten a lot more endearing in recent chapters.
The only good tsunderes are Mikoto and Asuka, who have an actual character instead of being merely cute and pretty but 1-dimensional girls like Kurisu and Taiga.
Tsundere Ries are the best.
>>150880175
Pic related.
>>150881045
THIS
>>150881045
How the fuck is Modern Tsundere good?
Whenever I see it in an anime it just comes across as the writers didn't know what the fuck they were doing, and that character is hot and cold constantly because of it.
>>150880312
>First post is best post
>>150881118
Still better than neo-tsundere
>>150881045
I UNIRONICALLY prefer NEO tsundere to classic
modern a shit
shouldnt take that long to break a bitch in
>>150880175
>>150880380
>>150880175
Not being one.
>>150881248
Neon Genesis Evangelion reference?
>>150880175
>>150880175
Swap Eri and Asuka and you're on the right track.
>>150881045
Pretty gud.
>>150881118
Isn't it obvious? They're fun and cute for the fact the tsun and dere ride never ends. The dere may grows and the tsun may decrease, but the lover's spat-like interactions will always be there. Modern is essentially for when you want the interactions to remain as they are to enjoy them forever. Best used for purely comedy genres where character development is not necessary or non-existent.
>>150880175
>Mine
>bad
Explain yourself.
>>150880175
Not (You)
>>150881536
>Mine
>good
>>150881563
This one is better.
>>150881536
Mine obviously is the classic definition of a good tsundere. OP's chart is old and just for baiting.
>>150881579
>not loving this smug cunt
What are you gay?
>>150880175
>>150880380
>Implying Kirino is one of the greatest
No.
Can Vegeta be marked as tsundere?
>>150881708
>is not*
My fix.
>>150881723
He's one of the most iconic male tsundere there is. What do you think?
>>150881812
I thought he was a jobber.
>>150881723
> Goku: Hi
> Vegeta: Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!
Anon please.
>>150881858
He's both.
>>150881812
> Vegeta
> the most iconic male tsundere there is
> tsundere
What? Really, what?
>>150880380
THK pls.
>>150881940
You're new to anime, aren't you?
>>150881723
No. Vegeta is honest as fuck.
>>150881948
this tbqhwyf
>>150881993
>Vegeta
>honest
>>150881970
No, but i think you are new.
>>150881045
Whos the top girl?
>>150881948
Best chart is finally here.
>>150881045
Whats the difference between classic and modern tsundere? The girl acts tsun 1 in situation and dere in another, you cant act both at the same time like the classic one suggests.
>>150880175
I would say it has everything to do with making the character as realistic as possible instead of the hollow cookie-cutter sham that generally populates the archetype. Most retarded faggots who write our shitty cartoons seem to think you can just make a girl who is a raging gigantic bitch precisely because she has a crush on the guy she treats like shit and that's somehow supposed to result in a coherent character. It also doesn't help when her love interest is a generic beta fuckboy and the reason she's so head over heels is because childhood friends or "because he's nice to me" or worse yet, no fucking reason at all except the story apparently needed one of these shallow, lifeless marionettes to add some flavor to a story that clearly isn't going to be made any better by a pathetic attempt to pander to the lowest common denominator.
> Vegeta
> tsundere
/a/ is wrong like always.
>>150881045
That "pinnacle" only works if the character has a decent personality, otherwise it's an arduous trudge to an unwanted conclusion. Classic tsundere is about the safest bet you can get, modern tsundere is irredeemable garbage and the gold standard for shitty, horribly written love interests. Neo tsundere isn't even a fucking tsundere and shouldn't be thought of as such.
>>150882053
>>150882086
Explain why you think he isn't tsundere. This should be interesting.
Tsundere boys >>> tsundere girls.
>>150880380
Rin belongs on the top row.
Most of her shit is teasing at most. Doesn't belong anywhere near those cunts.
>>150880175
> Syaoran
> tsundere
Pick one.
>>150882077
The difference is subtle enough where most people can't tell the two apart from initial encounters all the way up until they go dere. The difference only manifests itself after the classic's dere past the threshold that leaves most to all tsun traits behind. A classic may still retain some aggressive, feisty, etc traits even after she is deredere, but it's just in trace amounts. Modern diverges from there in that even after they are deredere for you, they may retain to episodes of tsun outbursts, usually portrayed as sentimental or affectionate behavior to show that things normal and all right or happily ever after type of ending.
>>150882308
Tell me you are joking.
>>150882325
Rin-sensei is the best.
>>150882172
>/co/ shit and their non-moe tsunderes
>>>/co/
This is now a Senjōgahara thread
>>150882460
Tsundere service~
>>150880175
Asuka wasn't tsundere, nice bait thread you faggot.
>>150882591
Holy fuck, this shit actually made it to print?
I was amazed it was even a web article.
Having a reasonable explanation for the tsun with no exaggerated unneeded reactions or violence, a natural evolution towards being more friendly and open, and if possible not ending with a completely different personality with no traces of past tsun.
>>150882591
You can't be serious. Especially now with the remake.
>>150880175
>Shana and Louise are bad
>Taiga is good
They're literally the exact same character.
>>150882689
Stop posting anti-semetic pictures before I report you to the ADL.
>>150881685
>>150881045
>implying Stella was ever really a tsundere
Kurisu a best
>>150880175
A simple list of questions to consider when assessing a tsundere:
Does the person they're tsun towards actively do things to deserve it like taunting or purposefully groping her?
Does the cast acknowledge that she has temper problems and that they're an actual issue?
Does her personality ever earn her the ire of someone who's not eventually portrayed as being a bad person or in the wrong?
Is her hitting the one she likes an uncommon or nonexistent occurence?
If not, can she fight back against villains as well without needing the MC to save her?
Can she thank and apologize to others honestly?
Does her dere consist of more than the usual stock phrases and clichés?
Is there no other girl in the series who seems to be more closely connected to the MC (such as childhood friends, girls who have devoted their life to him, girls who have nothing but him to depend on, etc) than the tsundere?
For each Yes, the tsundere becomes better. For each No, she becomes worse and more generic.
>>150883312
The answer is yes for all the questions. I've found the perfect tsundere.
>>150883312
>Does the person they're tsun towards actively do things to deserve it like taunting or purposefully groping her?
Yes.
>Does the cast acknowledge that she has temper problems and that they're an actual issue?
Yes.
>Does her personality ever earn her the ire of someone who's not eventually portrayed as being a bad person or in the wrong?
Yes.
>Is her hitting the one she likes an uncommon or nonexistent occurence?
Yes.
>Can she thank and apologize to others honestly?
Yes.
>Does her dere consist of more than the usual stock phrases and clichés?
Yes.
>Is there no other girl in the series who seems to be more closely connected to the MC (such as childhood friends, girls who have devoted their life to him, girls who have nothing but him to depend on, etc) than the tsundere?
Yes.
I guess she's literally perfect then. >>150883078 is right.
>>150880175
Being voiced by Rie, and/or having good theme songs for their show.
>>150883934
Go away Fredrik
>>150880175
The ones that give loving kissus are the best
>>150883934
This one is really personification of shit taste.
>>150883841
>Is there no other girl in the series who seems to be more closely connected to the MC (such as childhood friends, girls who have devoted their life to him, girls who have nothing but him to depend on, etc) than the tsundere?
But there is.
>>150883312
Naru:
>No
>Not really, it's more often brought up with Motoko if anything
>Keitaro always ends up having to run after her and apologize whenever he gets sick of her shit, and Kanako was pretty much a villain, so no
>A resounding "No"
>Not exactly a series full of villains, but she was definitely far more willing to hit Keitaro than others
>Don't remember for sure, but probably no
>She pretty much invented them, so no
>Mutsumi says no
Yup, she's complete shit.
Eri is simply the best
>>150884556
This.
Naru is literally cancer. She was reason we have shit like Houki as standard for tsundere main girls.
>>150880175
who's the bottom left bitch
also bottom right
>>150884538
Thanks to time travel, Kurisu is actually more relevant and important than Mayuri. Her fate is intricately interwoven with his in ways that Mayuri's simply isn't.
>>150884613
Fucking newfags
>>150884613
You cannot be serious
A tsundere isn't good or bad based on how tsun they are or how long they are tsun
A good tsundere is a good character
A bad tsundere is a bad character
>>150884613
Come on dude. You are either a
A. Newfag
B. Child
>>150881948
>>150883934
Yes.
>>150880175
>hinagiku
>bad tsundere
>>150884618
He spends the most time saving Mayuri though and not really caring about Kurisu. Okabe becomes really aware of her only when she is about to die.
>>150884772
If it weren't for Zero, I'd reluctantly agree with you., but that makes it clear that she's far more closely connected to and exerts a greater level of influence on him than even Mayuri.
>>150882140
Male characters can't be tsundere you fucking retard
>>150885140
That's a very silly thing to say.
>>150885194
Is Okabe /pol/, but instead of Jews he has the Organization?
>>150882591
>Author image
He even looks like the fucking caricature. I want off this ride.
>>150885322
No, because Okabe ends up stumbling onto an actual set of conspiracies.
>>150880175
>Sinon
>Tsundere
She was a kuudere. Pretty much everyone else in that series was a tsundere.
>>150880175
Like Rin is a good anything.
Over 9000 hours in MS paint and here is the real answer. If you like bipolar violent bitches then you have terminal shit taste.
Is Kagami a good or a bad tsundere?
>>150883312
Non-troll one for Naru.
>Does the person they're tsun towards actively do things to deserve it like taunting or purposefully groping her?
Yes. Keitaro does accidentally ecchi stuff all the time. It counts and it's usually the only reason Naru reacts with over-the-top violence.
>Does the cast acknowledge that she has temper problems and that they're an actual issue?
Yes. Keitaro has complained about her temper and violence more than once. Naru herself recognizes that it's an issue she has. Neither is depicted seriously given the genre though.
>Does her personality ever earn her the ire of someone who's not eventually portrayed as being a bad person or in the wrong?
No. But Love Hina is a comedy before it's a drama so no one gets anger at anything in the series. The genre creates an exception.
>Is her hitting the one she likes an uncommon or nonexistent occurence?
The over-the-top slapstick gags directed at MC is common in the series and Naru is far from being alone in making the gags common. The point is rendered moot, especially as it's not supposed to be a bad thing.
>Can she thank and apologize to others honestly?
Yes. Not only that, but she can joke about her own short-temper too.
>Does her dere consist of more than the usual stock phrases and clichés?
Yes. Stock phrases is after her time and she arguably popularized many cliches that we have today.
>Is there no other girl in the series who seems to be more closely connected to the MC (such as childhood friends, girls who have devoted their life to him, girls who have nothing but him to depend on, etc) than the tsundere?
More or less yes. Naru is a childhood friend of the promise girl type. Her connection is deeper than the others. And since they encountered each other again since the start of the story, they spend the greatest amount of time together to flourish the most romantic development together.
>>150886159
She's moe. Any tsundere that is moe is good.
>>150885322
He and Kurisu are canonically /x/ shitposters, and I have feeling the they post of /sci/ as well
>>150886227
Kurisu posts on the physics, mathematics, sci-fi and occult boards according to 0. At least on the Beta attractor field anyway.
>>150883934
Tsunries are a miracle of the universe.
>>150886188
>Naru gets proven to be objectively shit
>t-troll!
Imagine being this desperate.
>accidentally (...) counts
No, it's the very opposite of actively doing things to deserve it. Tsunderes getting violent over misunderstandings is one of, if not the main reason that people hate them.
>Keitaro has complained about her temper and violence more than once
See the next point.
>The genre creates an exception.
Not an argument, because tsunderes generally belong to that exact genre, so it's being held to those standards.
>it's not supposed to be a bad thing.
Violence is a bad thing.
>she arguably popularized many cliches that we have today.
A cliché is a cliché, even if you were the first to do it.
>Naru is a childhood friend of the promise girl type. Her connection is deeper than the others
Naru was literally an infant when the promise was made. For all intents and purposes, the real promise girl was Mutsumi.
If your tsundere has ever abused MC-kun by physical contact, she is and will always be shit no matter how much is done to redeem her.
All of your lists are shit because you forgot Fakir Sama the holly King of tsundere.
>>150886430
>tsunhater-kun is triggered because anon disputed his bait
Kek.
>real promise girl was Mutsumi
Good way to prove your ignorance to everyone.
>>150880175
That feel when your waifu is tsundere so she hits you and calls you an idiot. But, she isn't strong enough to physically harm you and you think it's cute so you kiss her to make her stop. She blushes, obviously swayed by your sudden sign of affection amidst her battering of your body and after a few mere seconds she kisses you back in return. You remain like this for at least 10 seconds uninterrupted and then you slowly pull away from each other. She stares into your eyes, and you are already doing the same with a horribly goofy smile that sends her heart pounding at a much faster rate than normal. Her face goes cherry red once again, and she punches you to cover up her embarrassment. She calls you an idiot afterwards. You only stare at her for a few seconds, saying nothing. She asks you why you're staring, acting as though she doesn't care. Again with your goofy smile you just laugh at how horribly cute she is while flustered. And she starts to hit you and call you an idiot again.
>>150880312
Damn straight. Best tsundere couple too.
>>150880175
Her developing to a proper Dere eventually. Like take Taiga. She starts off as a complete psycho bitch, but by halfway through the show, shes the sweetest character in the show.
Here is the correct tsundere chart.
>>150886846
This is the cutest thing I've read all day. It reminds me of best girl fujisaki.
>>150881563
>the I can use windows paint but not my brain post
>>150881045
>Modern Tsundere
>Not Bipolar
>>150880175
Here.
>>150880175
>Fang
>DFC
>Petite
>Twintails (optional)
>Kawaii as fuck
These.
>>150880175
Simple. They aren't written from the ground up as being tsundere. Take Kurisu for instance. It's accurate to describe her as tsundere, but it would be a massive disservice to her character to end the description at that point. The more accurate a simple description of 'tsundere' becomes, the worse a tsundere they are.
>>150887036
Your taste is even worse than OP's.
>>150887122
But Eriri is awful.
>>150887141
What is Kurisu besides tsundere, genius scientist, and closet channeler?
>>150884772
I would have to disagree with you there. It's much more apparent in the VN but even before shit gets real he clearly begins to care for her. The whole thing of her being the main reason he kept his sanity and focus during endless leaps is also a bit more explicit.
>>150887122
>>150880175
Seraphim is perfection, fuck you faggot.
If your reason for not liking a Tsundere is that "she's a bitch" you probably don't like Tsunderes.
>>150887174
Deeply insecure about her place in the world thanks to her dad being a real sack of shit, basically friendless on account of everybody seeing her as the genius science girl rather than an actual human being, a very caring person when she's in a position to show it and apparently kind of domestic.I've been playing Zero and I really should be able to remember more from Okabe's constant gushing about her.
>>150880312
>Worst tsudere.
>>150887267
Kirino-chan is the best.
>>150887122
Fang often is optional as well. Either way, hell yes. This recipe is usually instant best
>>150887274
Insecurities, sheltered, and/or being misunderstood applies to most tsunderes on a general level. Just saying.
>>150887381
I'm doing a terrible job representing her, but the point is that her tsun-ness is the result of some stuff she's got going on. It's not just towards people she cares about, either. She's tsundere about the entire concept of time travel. It's just how she deals with things she's passionate about but knows she probably shouldn't be.
>>150887381
Those things apply to most people. Using any of it as an excuse for a shitty attitude is called being immature.
There's penty of people who have suffered more, less or around the same and still managed to be a decent person.
>>150880175
Why does everyone hate akane? Did you guys even read a manga? She isnt that bad
>>150887426
OP's chart is a troll chart, dude.
>>150887381
Well generally, most people don't have a parent tell them they wished they never existed at the age of 6 because they proved their theory wrong. They also don't tend to be resented by everyone around them for being better at science than they are. Even Kurisu's closest friend resented her for her intellect(the whole Amadeus/Salieri thing). The first person who didn't treat her like that was Okabe.
>>150881045
who's the classic one ?
>>150887425
You hate tsundere that much. So why are you posting seriously in a tsundere thread?
>>150887122
This guy right fucking here knows.
>>150880175
Creating a character that is basically a checklist of every generic tsundere trait is what makes one bad.
I love Taiga
>>150887419
It's not uncommon for tsunderes to be tsundere at things besides the person they eventually fall in love with. Really, if you boil it down, virtually all tsunderes have other things besides being tsundere.
The tiny fraction that is molded to gimmick are extremely rare and normally is reserved to series that is entirely comedy. Off the top of my head, the only show that comes to mind that embodies gimmick entirely is Mayoi Neko Overrun, which is very entertaining and fun.
>>150887425
Newsflash: people are flawed. That's what makes life and stories interesting. 2D has greater leeway and can get make it cute and ensures redeeming traits that makes their fans waifu them easily.
>>150887542
Being treated differently for the first time that stirs up unknown or new feelings is almost a staple to writing a tsundere. It commonly goes vice versa for the target of affection by receiving special treatment from the tsundere.
>>150887816
I think you're mistaking what people are saying here. Kurisu isn't a special snowflake, she's just an example of a well executed tsundere. Of course she has things in common with other ones. What's important to note is that her character flaws and traits feel like natural progressions from her history and issues, rather than said history existing as an afterthought or an excuse. They exist as an element of her, not an excuse for her.
>>150887867
>Kurisu isn't a special snowflake
Honestly, the argument earlier made it sound like this was the case by presenting general traits and concepts that are common.
>>150887896
>presenting general traits and concepts that are common.
Are you familiar with the concept of an example, anon?
Kurisu is boring. Hell, the whole show is boring.
>>150887919
Reread that post again, anon.
>>150887936
This is bait. Also, the VN is better.
Rin is the best
>>150880175
>Whoreisu
>best anything
I wish I could punch that dumb whore's teeth out and slam her ugly face against against a mirror to make it slightly more attractive
>>150880380
this. if never show a real development and act always like a bitch dont deserve anything.
>>150887991
>>150881948
This.
Each Tsundere has her own taste to her, and a true connoisseur appreciates all the different tastes.
>>150888323
No bait. I'd beat that cunt senseless every day until she can't even eat food or breathe without tasting her own slut blood.
>>150888330
Master race tsundere connoisseur is the way to go.
I love all tsunderes and I always route for the tsundere to win.
Louise is the best of them all.
>>150887556
Misaki from Kaichou wa Maid-sama.
>>150888680
Louise is love. Louise is life.
>>150888680
>>150888819
Louise is for orgasm denial
>>150888680
An Aria is fine too.
Season 2 never.
>>150889011
Hell yeah brother.
>>150880175
>saras is a tsundere