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We're finally at this point.
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>>150859468
DADDY
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is it worth reading all 500 chapters of this?
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>>150859468
Waited forever for this

And it looks even uglier than usual
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>>150861425
Yes. I read like the first 300 something in a day.
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>>150859468
Finally!

Now he just needs a use for the shield and the sword and he'll be golden.
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>>150859468
I want to see Kanki in a duel with another General this campaign
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>>150861831
I can't imagine him ever using the twin swords, but we still have like another 1000 chapters so I guess we'll see.
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>>150859468
>tfw i realize that ill never be a concubine of his
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>>150859468
Fucking finally
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Great chapter. I can't wait to see Ousen in action as the supreme commander
Also I want a good fight for Yotanwa and Kyou Kai
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>>150861425
absolutely yes
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it came out sooner than I expected, but I have no problems with this. Let's fucking goooo
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I wish we had some stats on Bi Hei. he's been with Shin for years so he must have gained at leats some fighting skills
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>>150862126
I remember hearing somewhere that Kingdom is going to be around 950 chapters from start to finish. No source for it tho.
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>>150863337
The mangaka gave an interview about a month ago, and he wants to aim for a hundred volumes. As for years left, I'm pretty sure he said ten to complete the manga.
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>>150863316
I want a fight for him more than stats, I want to see how he deals with some enemies.
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Genuine fist pump
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>3rd most popular manga in Japan
>Literally no one in the West gives a fuck about it
How is that possible?
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>>150864129
Not enough cute girls doing cute things.
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>tfw you know the history and can guess what the author's trying to do in this war with Shin wielding Ouki's glaive
Sadistic bastard.
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>>150864129
The anime killed a lot of interest in it.
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>>150864129
But a lot of people do?

Only /a/ doesn't like it because there's no moe garbage in it
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>>150864625
What happens? As far as I know shin isnt really in this section of history.
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>>150859468
I've waited so long for this
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>>150864625
I thought that Shin doesn't get utterly BTFO'd until later?
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>>150864129
is very slow moving.
>>150859468
did he ever get with the strategist?
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>>150865229
>the strategist?
You mean Ten?
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>>150865229
>did he ever get with the strategist?

He hasn't gotten with anybody yet. But judging from history, somebody ends up winning the Shinbowl. Who it is is completely up to the author though.
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>All this hype for Shin's glaive
>If it follows history Kyoukai will be the first to be promoted to general and be part of the rematch with Ousen and Yotanwa to finish Zhao after Kanki gets fucked up the ass by Riboku
>Finally able to tie together Sei building a temple for Shiyuu and worshiping him as the god of war

Though I can't see it happening since Shin is main character and it'd be weird for a harem member to get the jump on him even as fitting as it is.

>>150864129
>Not a lot of moe
>It's about chinks and not white people or nips
>Art is basically One Piece style

Ask yourself this, if One Piece was about Ninjas instead of Pirates and Naruto was about Pirates instead of Ninjas, do you think One Piece would be even remotely as popular outside of Japan?
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Newfag here, is Kingdom worth reading 500 chapters for?

The art style is a bit dated but the quality is high which I can appreciate
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>>150865562
I was under the impression that he will end up with kyoukai and ten.
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>>150865054
>>150864904
Qin loses this war after Kanki gets buttfucked by Riboku. Ouki's first war after his return was against Riboku and he lost. Guess what's going to happen to Qin in Shin's first campaign using Ouki's glaive?
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Hol up
Shin is actually historical?

I thought he was a OC donut just to give us a third person observer at the Qin rise to power
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>>150865849
As far as I know Shin, kyoukai and Sei are all historical, only that kyoukai was actually male historically and there was no romance between the two.
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>>150865849
Shin is based off of the Qin general Li Xin. So most of the big events in this manga are already set in stone by real life history. Though there isn't a lot of information so the author has a lot of leeway.
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>>150865471
yes
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>>150863337
When Sei became King, around chapter 440 I think, Hara said he is at the middle.
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>>150865849
They take liberties with his birth, but that's about it and it's already foreshadowed how he gains (or technically regain in meta) his historical background. In history, Shin hasn't actually appeared yet.

Basically Shin will marry or get adopted into You's family, who so far despite being a highborn military family has never ever mentioned their surname, this is likely to keep it a surprise, where the family name is Li (Ri in Japan), which yes, means they are related to Riboku as historically Shin is Riboku's nephew.
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>>150865849
Li Xin, Shin's prototype, was a real life general, best known for conquering Yan, fucking up the Chou campaign, and returning in Qi campaign.
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>>150865562
>>150865779
The author will fuck with everyone by having Shin get together with that one girl from the city he saved in a side chapter and Sei's wife's friend.
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>>150866203
>fucking up the Chou campaign
I thought that he only lost because of Shouhei-kun's betrayal
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>>150866568
From what I understand, he was doing pretty well despite being cocky as fuck by asking for far too few soldiers until that
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>>150866286
The Royal Harem girl?
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>>150866184
noice, I didn't know about all that
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>>150866652
Yeah.
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>>150866646
>asking for far too few soldier

i could see this leading to the core of the shin unit being wiped
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>>150866685
Well it's speculation and not guaranteed, but it's the most likely option at this point. Remember Heki? Everything thought he'd die because that's the main interpretation of the records, and then well, just read the omake and you'll understand.

Basically so long as Hara is clever enough to find holes in the recorded lines, he can spin it any way he wants, but it's clear he's not doing it randomly. The only character with totally unrelated shit I never could connect was Yotanwa being a mountain tribe person.

Hell, even the databook stats are perfectly in line with the historical results, which is pretty amusing. It's about the most accurate databook in all databooks as far as manga is concerned, with like a 1% deviation thanks to MUH WEIGHT.
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>>150866688
That would be one way to upset the purity fag applecart.
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>>150866811
>The only character with totally unrelated shit I never could connect was Yotanwa being a mountain tribe person.
What about KyouKai being from a clan of female assassins?
Speaking of which, you think she could defeat the likes of Ouki and Renpa 1vs1?
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>>150866203
nice spoiler
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>>150866954
It's just a matter of taking someone who is undefeated and connecting it to >>150865661

I guess you could say they took Yotanwa in the same way and just used that person as a vessel for the mountain tribes, but either Hara really really liked the idea of a bunch of tribal warriors slaughtering everything in their path or it was because during Kingdom's early days the connection to Duke Mu was all Hara could manage and didn't think very far yet. So I guess in a sense, I was wrong and it's likely that Yotanwa and Kyoukai are designed the same way, gender bending an undefeated general and attaching historical/mythological elements to them to generate greater interest. The difference being one was designed intended to be a waifu, and the other already has a reverse harem therefore the more OP shit belongs to Kyoukai.

That said, it's still pretty fucking impressive how a girl could get 95 strength just from beating down chimps and apes whereas even Kyou was training with Ouki since the start. Who the fuck was even Yotanwa's competition to begin with in the mountains?
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For those who wants to read the latest chapter
http://reader.sensescans.com/read/kingdom/en/46/499/page/3
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>>150867045
How can you spoiler somethingthat hasn't happened yet you dingus

Manga is not a historic accord, it goes way off into fantasy land with the emperor alone
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>>150859468
Finally holy shit
You've come so far ;-;
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>>150862126
He only got one of Rinko's iirc
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>>150865849
He's real, and his descendant in Han is more famous than him.
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When will we get an update on Ryofui? If I'm not mistaken he should be already dead at this point in the story
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>>150865834
Ah.

I didn't actually know how it went exactly. I bet it'll still be awesome.
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>>150865834
Just how big did he screw up that he was forced to abondon Qin?
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>>150859468
Well shit time to reread kingdom.
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>>150867856
Riboku knows that his weakness is thaking big, risky gambles, I guess he's gonna set up some nice trap for him
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>>150859468
Fuck now I have to go back to reading this
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>>150867957
Yeah kanki just keeps gambling till he wins. All you need is sufficient bait, and sufficient hardheartedness.
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>>150867957
I hope mustachebro gets to join Shin's unit if he's the sole survivor

or Ogiko
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>>150864129
>>150864190
>>150864878
As a moefaggot whatever that means even I keep up with every new release for almost a year now. No idea whats up with /a/ though.
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>>150867856
He just wasn't the emperor buttbuddy like Shin, so he had no choice but to run.
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>>150864129
We had constant threads when Turnip Farmers were catching up and putting out like 5-9 chapters per week.
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>>150867442
>tfw Han Xin will kill Qin, destroying everything his father has built
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>>150867442
>>150868392

That makes no sense. Xin is the given name, not family name. Why the heck do you people keep mentioning this like it's fact?

To begin with, it's more likely that Li Dian of 3 Kingdoms is connected to Li Xin than fucking Han Xin, let alone the entire Li clan that became emperors during the Tang Dynasty, something you can even follow up on with Song of the Long March even if wiki and google are too boring for you.
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>>150868530
pls let me have my head-canon pls.

>Song of the Long March

great manga, seriously.
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>>150868758
If you want headcanon then Sei being poisoned by mercury will be a scheme of Ousen who will then start another fucking revolt but is suppressed by Shin and it's not recorded because everything goes to shit after Sei dies and people are too busy back stabbing each other to care about leaving history on scrolls.
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>>150868838
>tfw "mad emperor" Qin Shi Huangdi is a meme spread by his rivals and he was actually like Hitler, who did nothing wrong really
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>>150864129
Chink shit with Jap names.
Honestly I have no clue, but apparently above turns off quite a few people.
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>>150866568
>>150866646

I would have thought Chu would get a lot of hype but then I remember Kouyaku the sword fag is related to Kou'en who is the grandfather of Xiang Yu so it's like we already had a glimpse of how they are destined to fail even with Karen. The Kou family is literally a family of jobbers from one dynasty to the next.
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>>150868914
Well to be fair, the winners do write history and get to overturn the previous winners if they have the means. I doubt that's the case given how large the scale was for Qin Shi Huang but it's definitely something that's happened on a smaller scope for other people, so the idea itself isn't as outlandish as people make it out to be.

Personally I can't see how the guy just straight up believed mercury was totally fine without some insane hoax by the salesman. Like we're talking ancient chink used car salesman tier here that would put Lu Buwei to shame.
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What's his request, fellas?
My money is on Kyoukai being promoted to 5k.
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>>150864129
>Literally no one in the West

Have you even looked at any other site aside from 4chan? It's not Big 3 but considering Big 3 came out ages before Kingdom that's to be expected. It's definitely more popular than 80% of the shit in the threads on /a/ when it comes to plebbit, social media, or reader sites like Kiss.

This is a site where we have a board called /pol/ and was made to worship moon runes. It's no different than how gook shit are hated here far more than anywhere else on the rest of the internet.

>>150868990
Which is ironic because Turnip Farmers themselves are chinks, so there's no grounds for them to be offended.
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>>150866736
I'm guessing that will happen too. I have a feeling Ten is going to die because of Shin's overconfidence. It was foreshadowed that it's her fate if she keeps following Shin.
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>>150868530
Educate yourself smartass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Guang
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OUUUUUUKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>150869765
It's impressive how the author managed to change my opinion of him.
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Has there ever been a more atrocious CGI than Kingdom's S1ยก
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>>150869765
Now finish the job Shin!
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>>150869765
>>150869801
It's pretty funny how Ouki turned out to be such a bro despite looking so villainous.
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>>150869822
I don't think so. It legit looked like a PS1 cutscene. Season 2 was a little better in that regards where they regular animation, but it still had plenty of that off putting CG.
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>>150869765
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>150859468
i got a little emotional
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>>150869934

I think S1 used it almost all the time while S2 reserved it for battle scenes which made it a bit more tolerable.
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>>150869822
Say what you will about the CG, the other parts of the anime were really good. Music, direction and VA's were on point. (Motherfuckin' Jun Fukuyama as Ei Sei.)
If they got out an S3 and Jun voiced this scene, I'd loop that shit for days.
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>>150870088

Animated Coalition War Arc would be a dream come true.

I hope this war that is about to start reaches similar levels of hype.
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Fuck.
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>>150870152
>Shin got his glaive back in chapter 172
How many years ago was this for the japs?
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>>150870015
Yeah, S2 tried to stick with 2D for the non battle stuff. I think the CG is what turned off so many people from the anime.

The the anime had a 2D look throughout both seasons, I think it would have been more popular.

>>150870088
I agree wholeheartedly. I got used to the CG early on and enjoyed the whole ride. Ouki's death made me tear up.
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>>150870088
I've read kingdom 4 times and the whole of Sai still gives me chills
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>>150870182
10 year anniversary was about 450 I think.
So maybe 7 years ago?
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>>150870088
Kingdom has a lot of hype inducing fights but nothing gets me more hard than that chapter.
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>>150861425
Absolutely. It's the only manga I helplessly wait every week to read. It never stops being good.
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>>150859468
He did it... after all those years.
It's beautiful.
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>>150864129
Are you sure? Check mangafox, a good checker to see what normalfags read, and it's ranked 23 in the most read monthly. That's rather high.
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>>150859468
But I have to wait until 500 comes out to catch up.
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>>150869765
>>150869878

It would be so badass if Shin used Ouki's glaive to cut Houken's neck at the same place Ouki tried.
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>>150874122
Is there even an official western release? Western publishers probably looked at the shit anime numbers and decided against licensing a release.
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>>150869219
I always wondered how she'd get to the position of being lumped along with Ousen and Yotanwa as one of the 3 heads in the later Zhao conquest. With Ousen and Yotanwa in this war, Kyoukai really might be involved somehow.
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>S3 never
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>>150874624
>Is there even an official western release?
Not that I know of.

>Western publishers probably looked at the shit anime numbers and decided against licensing a release.
Or maybe the length is what decided against. I wouldn't be surprised if it was ever published. It's very popular and good. I'd buy every single volume.
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>>150874658
Hmm, if Kyoukai isn't there, it might make Shin even more dependable and awesome if he survives alone against all odds.
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>>150874813
First volume might be a hard sell though. Initial art was repulsive for many.
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>>150866811
which omake?
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>tfw started this 7 days ago, caught up 2 days ago.
>tfw lost because I don't know what to read that'll give me long and continuous excitement like kingdom does
>tfw angry at myself for getting hooked and reading it every day even during classes.
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>>150875018
Try Ravages of Time if you can deal with the shit scans.
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>>150869698
Educate what nigger? What part of that entry says any damn thing about Han Xin? I put Li Dian as an example of a very unlikely person having MORE of a chance of being related to Li Xin than Han Xin to show the massive gulf.

You turds just keep making random ass statements these days.
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>>150874865
Personally i think Kyoukai will be promoted to 5k next chapter, be the 4th independent unit to attack Gyou, and ultimately beat the other 3 in achievement.
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>>150875054
>>150875018
seconding the HELL out of this. Ravages makes you feel similar but vastly different things.
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>>150875054
>>150875262
I'll check it out. ty
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>>150875010
It's one of the ones post time skip, it mentions that Heki is translated as wall literally, and so while one interpretation is general heki dying, another one could be the general died at the walls, which is what Hara chose to convey because it's the less popular one and therefore a twist cause basically no story based on this period of time ever uses that interpretation.

In other words, unlike Ouki and friends who were destined to die, Heki literally managed to live past even his plot armor expiration date and the omake was joking about how powerful Heki's life force was. You should have seen the baidu forums when Heki managed to survive, no one fucking thought it was possible, not a single chink.
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>>150875290
You should probably know a little bit about the three kingdoms, though. Enhances the experience like crazy.
What achievement could Kyoukai possibly obtain this time? Aren't all the named characters in Zhao dead besides the ones with plot armor?
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>>150875054
>deal with the shit scans.

Not all of it is shit. Also it's pretty fucked up how despite Ravages being more 'realistic' than Kingdom, the power levels are even higher but only when the adrenaline is pumping and the chapter starts off with poetry. Let alone the gambits that makes it seem like even jobbers are Lelouch tier.
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>>150874046
Very funny.
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>>150875420
Best place to read about these? Sounds interesting as hell.

>>150875463
That horse looks like it's on steroids
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>>150875463
God, everything about ravages hypes me up. The poetry is amazing, even when it doesn't make sense in english.

TURN LEFT
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>>150875054
>>150875262
Tried Ravages. I don't understand what the hell is going on. Feels like I need to know the three kingdoms history/story back to front to appreciate RoT.
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>>150875675
If you ever look up ancient chink horse drawings and figurines, that's literally how the proportions look like. As unrealistic as it seems, the author (and Kingdom's) is merely paying tribute to those pieces of art that obviously have more historical value than armchair scientists that claim they got the anatomy wrong.

>>150875768
That's the scary thing. It's already amazing in English even when it doesn't make sense, which is why in Chinese it's practically Shakespeare. The guy really put forth a lot of effort in using the more unused recorded phrases instead of the cliche ones that are repeated every fucking year in TV dramas by ROTK remake #295952.

>>150875813
You do unfortunately. It's a series meant for people who know 3 Kingdoms and got tired of cliche 3 Kingdoms stories, and is marketed towards those people, which is basically the entirety of Asia. There's no Oricon charts I believe for chink sales, but Ravages is definitely up there and insanely popular (not hard given the competition though).
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>>150875675
OK, here's what I did. Hox translated Sangokushi a few months ago, and while it's dated as hell, it's the most concise telling of the 3 kingdoms. What you need to do is just get to about Battle of Red cliffs and a little bit passed that.

You should also Know who Sima Yi is. He's a main character in Ravages, but he only shows up officially later in the 3 kingdoms. Look him up if you don't wanna read all the way through, he's pure historical domain (all of 3 kingdoms is) so nothing is really a "Spoiler."


Ravages of Time takes all the events and subverts them or plays them beautifully, so prior knowledge only makes it better.


You can read it all on Batoto, but you'll need to sign up. Otherwise you can find them both on kiss manga. I think Batoto has the consistently best scans of Ravages, though.
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>sima yi
>mc
MY BOY
What's he portrayed like?
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>>150875018
Same exact thing happened to me. I stopped reading for a few months to let it fatten up so I could binge-read it.
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>>150875502
It's true!
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>>150875813
You sorta do. I did a dry run and I didn't quite get it, certainly.

Like I said here: >>150875936
Hox translated Sangokushi, which is the shortest telling of the 3 kingdoms you can possibly find. It's dated, but it has a few good moments just because of how interesting the events were.


>>150875894
Yeah, I deeply admire how much work this guy put into RoT. I'd pay someone for more translations if I could, scans have been dead for a while.

What this guy says is right. In asia, EVERYONE knows the 3 kingdoms. It's like their Cinderella, only worse because the story has been retold in every medium at least 50 times. This manga takes that "formula" and twists everything into a beautiful, somehow original story.
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>>150876041
He's a used car salesman.
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>>150876041

Smug, brilliant, far-sighted.

That's as much as I'm willing to say, part of the beauty is understanding the layers of the characters in RoT. Everyone is a fucking onion. Everyone.
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>>150875894
Ah fair enough, never knew that. Thanks for the info on the horses.

>>150875936
I'll check out Sangokushi thanks and yeah I've got a batoto account, though I do prefer using an app so I can read it on the go. Though I have time to read it non-app now. I'll look him up.
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>>150876346
Good shit, hope you enjoy it.

I'd love for someone to do a RoTK storytime here someday, but honestly it probably wouldn't work because of the aforementioned prior knowledge requirements.
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>>150876326
>Everyone is a fucking onion. Everyone.

You mean besides the fodder in the first arc that don't even survive past 10 panels right? Cause I mean some of them don't even show up other than seeing their dead faces.

>Instead you should follow the example of the wise general-
>Que dead fodder with a face full of shock in a small panel

And these guys have NAMES.
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>>150876567

You mean this guy? Well...He set a lot of stuff in motion...


But yeah there are super irrelevant people, it happens.
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>>150877024
No he's actually pretty important in comparison. I mean he's the father of two guys who are still alive.

I was talking about one of the generals that Yuan Shang mentions when he was trying to deflate the prowess of Lu Bu and then it next page it's a panel of the dead general he was hyping up at the feet of Zhang Liao. Amusing as fuck and I just really love how the early volumes are about the era clearing away the incompetent has-beens. It really sets it up that the upcoming era truly is special.
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>>150874967
which is funny because i feel like the original style had its own good points (non-bulbous horses, for instance)
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>>150877186
Don't forget that everything was happy times and people were cracking way more jokes and laughing. Then the Sima clan got slaughtered and everyone was stuck with stoic ass faces. Man did that change the tune of the series or what?
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>>150877186
Apparently that's on purpose, and I can see why.

>>150875463
check this out. Clearly competent artist, but the art has giant horses. That's because of the style historical scrolls present us with. Apparently horses were stocky af back then.
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Is Shin x Kyou Kai going to turn out like Ouki x Kyou?
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>>150877357
>Apparently horses were stocky af back then.

It actually makes a bit of sense when you consider the fact that the Chinese considered the horses from the west to be vastly superior, possibly cause those horses did not have stick legs. Though in that case it makes you wonder why the fuck Red Hare, which according to many many ROTK adaptations is either a horse from the west or cross bred, still has the same stick legs but meh fuck if I know jack shit about horses.

A better question is do you prefer the angry frothing shining eyed horses of Ravages, or the smiling retarded relatives of Rape Horse in Kingdom? It's something I never managed to settle for myself.
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>>150877412
99% chance

At some point, she'll go full HAM like Kyou did, get a ton of achievements and get to GG level and then die in Chu
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>>150875158
I'm the one who said his descendent, the Flying General of Han, IN HAN was more famous. The fucking dynasty. How did you even jump to Han Xin?
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Ravages, because they can be rape horses too
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>>150877186
Uhhh, I was referring to Kingdom, not RoT when I said a Western release would be a hard sell due to the shit art.
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>>150877138
Those guys were as you say, has-beens. They were a big deal in their own right during their glory days, just those days are long gone.
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>>150877668
By that logic Naruto wouldn't sell. I mean half of the panels post time skip are just generic explosions and rock debris.
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>>150877567
>>150877412
There's no way Hara is going to let any of the two main girls of Kingdom die.
There are plenty of other characters who can fulfill the jobber or sacrifice role, Heki probably being the next one.
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>>150877773
>There's no way Hara is going to let any of the two main girls of Kingdom die.

Kyoukai is set up as the Kyou to Shin's Ouki. And if you spoiled yourself with history, you'll know there's plenty of chances since the way Hara writes it, it's basically so long as you no longer have anything recorded of you, your plot armor is gone. So even someone who is undefeated may die. Actually it's even skeptical whether or not the likes of Renpa will get to die on their death bed and not be thrust into battle.
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>>150877773
Pretty sure Kyou legit dies in Chu.
Shin gets wiped almost to a man by Shouheikun too, so for muh development it might be Ten dying
Historically he doesn't marry Kyou anyway and can't really write it in.
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>>150877760
Sure, but Naruto was in WSJ that reached a massive audience and had a decent anime to create a good first impression to explode interest and drive sales.
Meanwhile, Weekly Young Jump has about a quarter of WSJ's circulation, and the anime CGI was repulsive to many.
All you really need for sales is a good first impression, and many will stick around and tolerate anything.
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>>150878229
The reason Naruto was a big hit in the west was definitely due to the anime, not so much the manga. The first season was arguably pretty fucking good regarding the standards of the time.

So I don't think Kingdom's art matters, it's just a matter of it the anime was good. Which we already know the result of. I mean in the West you have shit like Adventure Time and Steven Universe, I don't think having shit art matters to them when they spend millions in animating shit like Simpsons and Family Guy.
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>>150877773
I really get this feeling Kyoukai's being set-up to die. Her distinguishing style of fighting is "charges in and solos the job so that less of her allies will die." Did it in Bayou against Houken's night raid, Sanyou against Kaishibou's giant troops, Fire Dragons HQ and Kokuyou (twice).

Most generals charge and lead their men from the front. Kyoukai rushes ahead and leaves her men behind to do things alone because she doesn't want them to die.
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>>150878701
Her getting rekt at hills kinda points that way
It's ironic because her first real advice to Shin was 'don't charge like a retard, there's people stronger than you'.
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>>150878790
To be fair, it worked in her 2nd attempt in the hills despite being outnumbered like 100 to 1 and despite being injured. She won't stop trying to go full sacrifice mode until she dies from it.
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>>150877868
Not having plot armor doesn't mean they WILL die though. I can't really comment about the Ouki/Kyou parallel since that can be interpreted in many different ways. (e.g. Just because they're a boy and a girl with the same aspirations doesn't mean they're definitely going to follow Ouki and Kyou.)
Given the propensity of waifufags as fans of manga (or any form of media), having one of two viable waifus die is a massive risk to take with seemingly little reward to compensate.

>>150878195
History only says many of his long-serving officers died but it doesn't specifically say who they are.
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>>150877412
DELETE THIS POST
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>>150878790
That's cause such a phrase doesn't really apply to her. With her current alpha it's possible that she could even whoop zen-mode Houken.

>>150878937
>Not having plot armor doesn't mean they WILL die though.

Naturally it's just a possibility.

>having one of two viable waifus die is a massive risk to take with seemingly little reward to compensate.

Only one has to die. No one said both would, though it's certainly possible. But usually in these triangle relationships, the more stoic, mature, etc girl will die because it's more tragic while the more genki tom boy will survive. Easy example is Kagome and Kikyou.

But whether any of those happens is anyone's guess, it's Hara after all. He could end the story with Shin having a harem of 4 with Ten Kyoukai You and the special chapter girl. Harems aren't exactly forbidden during that era you know?
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>>150879029
Kyoukai will be his wife, but he might have concubines-but we'll probably never seem them just like it is with Sei. Ten will probably get with that one boy her age, the one that deals with the strategies.
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>>150879095
Also possible, but that can only happen after Zhao.
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>>150859468
The two week break was worth it if this is what it lead up to. This arc already looks like it'll be amazing. Suugen or Shousa putting out some big death flags though.
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>>150874967
>repulsive

I genuinely liked the early art
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>>150879029
Two major things that bother me about the idea of Ten dying are that:
a. She's been a major character since chapter THREE. For a manga that'll probably span another 500 chapters, having her be missing for possibly HUNDREDS of chapters just seems unthinkable.
b. Will fans readily accept a replacement strategist? There's no one amongst the current cast who is qualified for that role (Mouki said he wants to work for his Dad.) A new character would have to be made to replace Ten, and no one is going to like that.
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>>150879356
Shin could finally figure out tactics on his own, I mean I can't see him as a general, in charge of entire battles, without being good at tactics even if he has help.
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>>150879356
They're literally the most important girls in the entire series, and both play a major role. One is a strategist, and one is a great warrior. I don't see them getting killed off just for the hell of it.
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>>150879356
You do realize that there's only one campaign that can possibly lead to Shin's circle dying right? After that campaign it's basically a steam roll cause every one left is a fucking joke.

And Shin can finally grow to learn just a tad bit more in those cases, and stop being so dependent on everyone. And that's only if Kyoukai dies as well.

Still, Ten surviving instead of Kyoukai is more likely as I mentioned above. The OC donut steel not as beautiful genki chick almost always lives longer than the beautiful stoic yamato nadeshiko tragic heroine.
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>>150879452
>I don't see them getting killed off just for the hell of it.
>just for the hell of it
>literally the most important war in the entire story

Nigger do you think this story follows some typical shonen plot where the final battle is the hardest with some demon lord threatening the world?
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>>150879452
After that battle it's literally cleaning up shop.
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Is there a historically based character for Hou Ken?
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>>150869219
I hope you are right desu, after all she'll become a general soon enough
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>>150879649
Yeah, but no one really knows if he's a Wu Xia master. Basically any time the manga shows a fucking box with text in it with the fancy historical lines like XXX BC yada yada yada it's a transcript from the Records themselves.

Which means yes, Houken did lead the coalition, and he did destroy Gekishin. It was not recorded whether or not he killed Ouki cause Ouki was fodder and no one gave a shit about him other than he died, and amusingly enough for all the hype for Reeboks he certainly did not have any mention taking part in the coalition and get his ass handed to him so the manga technically gives him a shittier war record than history does.
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>>150879731
>yfw Shin takes her general seat and Kyoukai just becomes a 5k commander forever destined to be the lackey
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>>150879524
Eh, still don't see it happening.
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>>150869765
What a glorious man
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>>150864129
/a/ has been reading it for years but there isn't much to discuss besides "This shit was hype, see you next chapter/release".
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>>150880029
Nothing wrong with that, it's just a possibility and everyone has their own bets on the odds. Historical series are amusingly enough pretty hard to predict in general when it comes down to the fine details. I mean who the fuck predicted Askeladd was King Arthur?
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>>150879820
Ouki wasn't fodder but he wasn't a big deal anyway compared to actual legends like ousen or hakuki.

Riboku is supposed to die undefeated, but...
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>>150880029
Chu is basically going to become the Eclipse of Berserk. Everyone will die at that moment. Everything Shin accomplished, all the friends, generals and comrade he gained, will die there. Remember the last battle Ouki had before he died? He was fighting a battle of 5000 men against 40,000. It was a literal no win scenario. This is exactly what will happen to Shin.

And I noticed >>150879452 that you said that Ten is a strategist and Shin needs her. Well, he does, at the moment, but Shin will become like Duke Hyou and will just be a general of instinct. With Ten, he would mix stragety and instinct, but after losing her, he'll become a broken general. Still effective, but hollow of his prime.

This will happen. I also wasn't sure if Ten would die but after this mention >>150869392 it's very likely that Ten will die.
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>>150869765
>>150869942
I forgot just how starved and gaunt young-Shin looked. The difference with the current chapters is like night and day.
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>>150880181
>Ouki wasn't fodder but he wasn't a big deal anyway compared to actual legends like ousen or hakuki.

His first and only recorded entry in the records is literally him dying at Bayou. I don't know how you can describe that as anything but jobber considering his 'second' Tou manages to conquer Han. Basically other than people who also die the very line they are mentioned no one is worse off than Ouki as a general in recorded history. How is that anything but a jobber? Even Hara in the omakes mentioned that Ouki was a small fry that somehow got turned into a larger than life figure unintentionally.
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>>150879484
I'm not entirely convinced it'll be the cakewalk you say it is (although it will seem that way by comparison to the Chu war.)
One of the big things that Hara can pull out that can make for a compelling final arc is that the last state remaining will have drawn a shitload of people who HATE the Qin. Amongst these people will be the last of the monsters who can only feel rage at having their home state be subjugated.
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>>150880114
Wait. What? He was the ACTUAL king arthur? Fug, I need to pay more attention when I reread it.
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>>150879356
>a. She's been a major character since chapter THREE. For a manga that'll probably span another 500 chapters, having her be missing for possibly HUNDREDS of chapters just seems unthinkable.
This battle will happen by chapter 1000 or so. This battle is something that will happen in about 8 years story wise. It is thinkable.

>b. Will fans readily accept a replacement strategist?
There likely won't be a replacement. Shin will become like Duke Hyou and fight with instinct alone.
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>>150880291
Qi gets defeated easily though.
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>>150880291
Naturally Hara can't write the rest of it as a cake walk, but historically it was basically a cake walk, there were no note worthy set backs at all unless you count the Yan prince or some shit who ran off and tried to set up his own kingdom only to get shat on the moment Qin finished up Chu.

>>150880310
Unsure it's not quite clear. He's either King Arthur, or he's the descendant of King Arthur with the same name, but given how historians today can't even nail down a specific time line for King Arthur I believe the point is that in Vinland saga, Yukimura makes it so that Askeladd is part of the King Arthur legend, which in part is also due to him being a descendant. So basically Yukimura is saying that the stories of King Arthur altogether are made up by not a single person but more than one, or at least that's his interpretation in the manga.
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>>150880277
He had a name which is kind of a big deal.
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>>150880431
>Defeated

What? I'd swear Ouhon just marched right up to Qi, and the king just surrendered.
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>>150880491
Yamcha has a name too. Just because he's a big shot among humans doesn't mean he isn't a jobber, same with Ouki. We're comparing those with names, naturally Ouki is at the bottom.
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>>150880512
Didn't they put up a token fight with mercs
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>>150880277
Why the hell is he one of the six generals then
Who else are hyped but actually fodder historically?
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>>150877186
>>150877357
>>150877500
You can find several stuff from the time, horses were like in Kingdom
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Would someone be nice enough to put me up to the actual state of the history?

I stoped reading at that part where they were sieging a army from another province. That Shin's friend that uses a spear managed to kill one of the enemy's great generals that also had a spear as main weapon, and Shin wasn't able to kill the other one that he was facing. (kinda shit explanation, sorry for that).
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>>150880785
Read the manga or fuck off, why would anyone have to resume the series for you?

If you're interested then read it, otherwise it's because you don't care.
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Maybe one day if I'm bored enough I will pick this up...the way the faces are drawn is such a turn off, though
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>>150880551
I thought that was just their ploy so they didn't have to pay them.

>>150880591
Read the omakes man, it tells you a lot. Hara literally didn't intend Ouki to become such a big shot, he just got passionate and kept drawing shit and then before he realized it bam. Guy is a total newbie when it comes to these things since Hara was never originally a mangaka.

Mou Bu isn't fodder, but he's nowhere near the big shot he is in Kingdom where so far he outshines his son, I don't even remember if Mou Bu ever made it to supreme commander in any war, he's more famous as being a deputy to Shin and Ousen and his son being famous for building the wall and fucking up the foreigners.

The Wei Fire Dragons I think are all OC Donut Steel fags who don't even exist.

The Zhao 3 Great Heavens weren't actually the 3 Great Heavens. It was just Renpa being a bad ass and the other two were alright. Same with the 6 Great Generals. Literally just Hakuki.

All you need to know about the Warring States era is that only 5 people matter as top tier, one of which doesn't really count as the same era so to speak.

Gakuki of Yan, the guy who lead a coalition to wipe Qi's shit when Qi was a bigger super power than even Chu and Qin back then. This guy is the outlier because he doesn't get compared directly to the rest of the 4, however Zhuge Liang often acknowledges him as #1 but if you're a Weifag you'll probably give no fucks to anyone in muh benevolence's camp.

The other four, Ousen, Hakuki, Riboku, Renpa, are literally the 4 heavenly kings of China of this era. Everyone else pales in comparison, even undefeated generals like Yotanwa/Kyoukai/Tou which speaks volumes to how hot shit they were, let alone the left overs crew aka the monster trio Shin/Ouhon/Mouten who picked at the scraps.

>>150880881
Go read chink shit or gook shit then everyone's pretty.
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>>150880838
I asked that because that's been awhile since i stopped reading, so if i would start to again, i would have to start from the beginning.
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>>150880512
No, they were going to fight the Qi army but found a secret pathway that lead directly to the capital.
>fight main army
>use secret path directly to the king
>alright alright I surrender
That's a defeat.
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>>150880958
Amusingly enough, out of the 5 people listed, only Ousen has stats that don't fit his abilities in the databook. Hakuki doesn't have stats yet, but Gakuki, Renpa, and Riboku all have insane stats, with the former two tying for #1 with Riboku behind barely tying for #2 with someone else amusingly enough it's Yotanwa, the very person who totally fucked Riboku at Sai.

So really, the databook might even serve as a spoiler as to how Hara sets up the fights, considering some of those stats were given way the fuck early like years before the coalition campaign.
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>>150881086
>Find a secret path way to a capital literally on the other side of China

I bet the Sima clan built that city.
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>>150880958
>Guy is a total newbie when it comes to these things
You know, the fact that Hara has managed to create a consistently good manga over the last 11 years really speaks to his talent. For almost any other long running series, you'll inevitably run into some filler or some shit arcs that are either baffling, pointless or just feel like a drag. This hasn't really happened in Kingdom, or at least it hasn't happened for very long.
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>>150881283
He also has a very good track record of keeping the schedule. You can count on one hand how many times he's taken a 2 week break or whatever like just recently during those 11 years.
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>>150880291
The last state will be conquered on the table in a face to face between Sei and Snake King, no blood spilled
just kidding, but it would be awesome desu
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>>150881086
>Kingdom version
>Qi King already surrendered
>Gotta save face in front of patriotic subjects
>Deploy mercs
>Invite Qin into secret path
>Oh no we surrender
>Meet Sei for dinner later
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>>150881677
Probably what will happen.
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>>150881677
Don't forget the fact that all the pro-war people will be sent with the mercs and get slaughtered.
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>>150880754
The Tang famously fucked off to attack the western lands and used western / steppe horses.
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>>150881850
Are you implying that's what the steppe horses looked like as well? Does this mean all the horses before the middle east were stick leg horses back then? Makes you think.
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Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt this war of conquest last longer than the [spoilers] entire Qin Dynasty[/spoilers]? If so, thats pretty tragic.
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>>150881910
Horses in general are stick legs. Wild horses are fucking dwarfs compared to centuries-bred warhorses.
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>>150881962
So then why are people constantly making fun of the horse anatomy?
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>>150881952
The war of conquest, no. The warring states? That lasted about as long as the Western Roman Empire (not republic).
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>>150881989
Same reason people flip shit at knights not being in full plate and plate barding or think leather armor is muh light mobility armor.
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>>150881989
Because they don't know, and because the artist is taking extra liberties.
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I can't wait till Shin is a full fledge general.
I love this manga.
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>>150882645
Just wait until he first hits Great General. His first campaign will be Chu.
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>>150882645
>when the chef has an eight pack
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>>150882715
>first time as great general
>gets btfo
Kek
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How do you see Kingdom concluding? How does it conclue on anything except a low, melancholic note?

After the Chu situation, I don't know how Shin will bounce back from that.
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>>150884008
From a guy that hasn't bothered to look up actual historic events.

I'm hoping Shin reaches General of the fucking Heavens, that he dies in battle with a fucking smile, and that Sei reunites China.


I know Sei unites China, but do I know that he does that with happiness? is the manga deluding me into thinking Shin's well being and success has to do with Sei's happiness? yes.

I still love it.
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>>150884138
Oh boy. Do you know what happens to Sei after he unites the land?
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>>150883076
hey as long he survives, its learning experience
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>Sangokushi
>400 chapters

Does the manga feel really dated?
Is it worth reading?
Will it help me understand Kingdom and RoT better?
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>Shin gets BTFO for being stupid
This kills the hype, I wonder what Hara will do to make this actually fun to read. MC fucking up hard is only fun in tragedy.
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>>150884449
Cocky=/= stupid
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>>150884138
>Sei reunites China.

So which nigger united China before the First Emperor of China again?
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>>150884503
Three August Ones and the Five Imperial Ones. Legendary, but their legends predate Shang.
Also you do realize the Warring States started when the Zhou fell apart right?
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>>150884503
The two dynasties that came before him smartass
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>>150884420
Manga is definitely dated as fuck, it's in the 90s or older, probably way older. Whether it's worth reading is up to your taste, it won't help much with Kingdom cause there's zero referencing to Kingdom era, but it will help with RoT quite a bit if you can stomach it.

I'll be fucking blunt here, my history of going through chink shit is Dynasty Warriors 4 -> RoT -> Kingdom -> Sangokushi with some wiki searching at times during RoT, and I understand it just fine. That said, RoT is absolutely not a series you will grasp everything the first time you read it, it's not possible. Not even the chinks that read the raws can find all the tidbits and easter eggs the very first time. The translations already butcher the poetry so it's impossible to 'get' everything, though you can probably understand like 80-90% of it, but many points allude to cultural poems or sayings or slangs that just doesn't have a way to translate though the early chapters by the 'bad' translation group actually puts more effort into putting foot notes cause they don't translate everything and use chink terms.

On the other hand, it's rather easy to appreciate changes like character archetypes being subverted, or how land mark battles go completely contrary to recorded history and only follow it as merely a front but with complete logical motives and outcomes.

The average competency in RoT that is shown, not told, is far far higher than 99% of all fiction. Series like Youjo Senki certainly have exposition on deployment strategies and supply lines, but they don't actually let the characters do jack shit about it except maybe once a volume. This fucking series? Like dime a dozen. The funniest thing is for all the depth of the 'realistic' aspects of war, it's still clearly a Dynasty Warriors series minus the splatter of bits of entrails like Kingdom.
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>>150884703
Do you know what unite means? Neither of those dynasties united China. They just controlled a portion. Don't go telling people who understand the meaning of a word they are smart asses, you're just outing yourself as a drop out.

>>150884663
Those don't count at all, I mean if we're gonna count those then that means the first emperor of China was the Yellow Emperor, you know the same nigger who BTFO of Shiyuu? Do we really wanna bring the Mythological Era into this?
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>>150884920
>implying Sun Wukong didn't unite all of Asia's monkeys first to revolt against heaven
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>>150884404
>after he unites
I assume he goes mad and dies of Mercury poisoning

>>150884503
You tell me mang.
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>>150884920
'China' wasn't controlled fully until the motherfucking Yuan dynasty in that case, both of them are considered full chinese dynasties and existed without true challenge. What Qin did was create a new title and bureaucratic system, replacing the earlier feudal system with an imperial one.
Are you the same person who thought of Han Xin instead of Li Guang earlier?
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>>150885081
>'China' wasn't controlled fully until the motherfucking Yuan dynasty in that case

It doesn't matter, it was the first time the scope reached the whole nation and they were even responsible for building a fucking massive wall to draw the line as well as a road that spanned the entire country from east to west. You ask a million people in Asia who was the first Emperor of China, all but one of them would answer Qin Shi Huangdi so stop arguing semantics. Did you think the new title and system mean jack shit or something? Why do you think existing without a true challenge is part of the criteria? Qin dynasty lasted less than 100 years and fell apart practically right after the emperor died, but the world whether in China or outside of it acknowledges it as the very first dynasty to unite 'all' of China.
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>>150885081
>literally every conqueror after Qin dynasty references back to Qin and its Emperor when it comes to conquering the nation and not Yuan dynasty
>not the first empire of all of China

At least use the Han dynasty if you're gonna argue about existing without a true challenge. People at least refer to Liu Bang a shit ton. How many Chinese dramas ever had a character go "I'm gonna be like the Yuan clan and build an empire"?
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>>150885256
>the first Emperor
That's because Zhou and Shang are ruled by Kings instead of what people translate as Emperor. I live in China, your appeal to authority dies there. The Zhou and Shang are considered to be full dynasties, not honorary or 'not really' dynasties. Kill yourself.

>whole nation
Actually it's about a fucking quarter of modern China, and half or so of 'core' China i.e. Tang and Song China.
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>>150885368
>Empire
Zhou and Shang were kingdoms, yeah? The reason they trace to Qin (usually Han or Tang or something actually) is because tracing to pre-Qin means you're not aspiring to be Emperor but a King.
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>tfw every Kingdom thread is autists arguing about history
Both of you stfu
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>>150885453
So >>150885522 already proved the point. Zhou and Shang don't count as Empiric Dynasties because they were Kingdoms. Stop being retarded and cite popular opinion of chinks if you wanna talk about authority. You definitely can't prove it. Zhou and Shang being dynasties do not mean they are empires that encompass China.
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