Flip Flappers

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>Cockona

Start over but make it less dumb

Don't aim it to 10 year old girls and manchildren. Keep the art untouched.

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>>150853171
COCONA!

You can't, it's already MIMI

https://twitter.com/3ono3ono/status/807941151005126656

Raw key animation

>>150853391
If show was painted on cel instead digital shit it would be glorious

>>150853424
Nah, Flip Flappers doesn't need that archaic shit.

>>150853424
And it also wouldn't have even a fraction of the animation fluidity it has now.

>>150853424
You could say that for every show.

>>150853254
Yayaka looks like she is only making fun of Papika.

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>>150853151
How do we FIX Cocona?

>>150853726
I want to taste Cocona's thighs.

>>150853254
what episode is this?

>>150853931
13

>>150853931
That's the new ED. Cocona is replaced by Yayaka.

>>150853931
Final fight scene of episode 13. Fight for Coconas love.

>>150853391
It's called genga, retard.

By deleting it from existence. I give less than a week for the 'fans' to forget this show even existed after the last episode has aired. Boring, fucking stupid yuri bait was a mistake.

>>150854020
Shut up, weeb.

>>150854020
It's a key animation.

4chan is an english board.

>>150854075
THREE NIGGA
THREEEEEEE

>>150853151
>bring back writer 1
>focus more on PI encounters
>stop spoon-feeding with the expositions

>>150854521
Who are you quoting?

Cut the fanservice back about 75%

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>**3,307位/**3,017位 (***,504 pt) [*,**6予約] 2017/01/06 フリップフラッパーズ 1 [Blu-ray]

>>150854680
I hope all the anime you like bombs

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>>150853151
Add more Papikas

>>150854741
Unlikely, since the only anime I care if it's successful or not is KyoAni's.

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>calling Salt new Gendo
Excuse me, but no. He's a softie who's trying to hide under disguise. He won't ever top Gendo in parental relationships section

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>>150854680
I'm watching both this and Hibike but, stop ruining everyone's fun Asuka.

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>>150855041
I wish Uexküll would somehow manage to be in every shot. Just donig Uexküll-things.

>>150853151
We end this fucking meme of talking about how our expectations were somehow betrayed by the show turning out the way it has, despite literally everything pointing to the ending being just fine.

>>150855261
>Just donig Uexküll-things.
So, being a boneless amourphous blob.

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>>150855381
Exactly.

>>150855041
Salt's still 14 years old, and only looks like a middle-aged man through PI fuckery.

>>150853151
>fake friend
One week for Yayaka prove herself.
>fake lover of homo demon
Maybe two weeks for Papika to do something trustful and romantic.
>fake granny
This trauma will last more than a year.
>becoming a monster and losing the identity of a human
Only FlipFlap can do something about this, probably.

So, it's a hard and time-consuming work to fix.
Or Papika can directly go to deeper PI and wipe out Cocona's memory to relieve her. Then it will end with Cocona runs out of a red tube, "Stop, Cocona! Get back here!" A corpse flashes though the scene, "But this was another bust."

>>150855711
What if we are in a time-loop

>>150853151
Kissu with a line of saliva in the end

Is it thursday yet?

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>>150855933
We're more than halfway there

>>150855961
I want to put my penis more than halfway into Yayaka's ass.

>>150853151

Remove all the drama bullshit.

Go back to a show about finding amorphous crystals before your rival organization does all culminating in a final battle.

>>150854581
this desu

>>150855607
That explains why he looks like a 14 year old dressed him.

>>150856016
Are you sure it's long enough to get past those healthily juicy middleschooler asscheeks?

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A better OP would have made for a better thread. This is template style reads like a general.

Reminder that Cocona is a cross-dressing boy.

>>150856177
>looks like a 14 year old dressed him.
But anon, the one who dressed him is Sayuri

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>>150853151
By posting more content instead of complaining.

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>>150856540

>>150856249
I want to feed Papika my dick

>>150853151
Should have developed the relationship between Papika and Cocona more.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Papika, is in fact, Papikana, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Mimi plus Papikana. Papikana is not a flip-flapper unto herself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Mimi system made useful by the Cocona corelibs, Bu-chan utilities and vital system components comprising a full flip-flapper as defined by Pure Illusion.
Many factions run a modified version of the Mimi system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Mimi which is widely used today is often called "Cocona", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Mimi system, developed by the Fli-Fla Project. There really is a Cocona, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Cocona is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the resources to the others. The kernel is an essential part of a flip-flapper, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete Pure Illusion. Cocona is normally used in combination with the Papikana system: the whole system is basically Mimi with Papikana added, or Papikana/Mimi. All the so-called "Cocona" distributions are really distributions of Papikana/Mimi.

>>150853151
More flip, less flap

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Just an observation but do you think Salt's words over this section might actually have meaning with regards to the images and this might merely be a portrayal of another time that could have occurred but didn't?

>>150857002
Papicake is adorable

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>>150857002
Possibly, but I wouldn't bet on it.

>>150857002
The PV voice overs have always been gags. I doubt this was any different.

>>150857020
She is wearing the uniform Salt wears right, as a trainee of that place?

>>150857228
No actually looking again it looks kind of different.

>>150857002
What if that's Papika from the future? What if time shenanigans

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>>150854075
>Boring, fucking stupid yuri bait was a mistake.

FlipFlappers doesn't hold a candle to shitzetta

>>150857002
I want to believe this is a shot from like 10 years later. Papicake was ready for more funny adventures in fancy PIs, but instead she caught her Mimi and Salt during the process of making Cocona.

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>>150853151
>How do we fix X
I see /v/ has taken over the threads

>>150857437
>We could have had a WW2 drama with a cute witch and cute yuri love story.
>Instead we get evil clones and magic blood stones.

>>150857508
So which is worse, /pol/ or /v/?

>>150857604
/pol/ because they always insist they have something really important to say and you must listen. /v/ is just low-effort shitposting and ebin maymays.

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>>150857030
check em

>>150857002
Oppai pure illusion where everyone has boobs, even Bu-chan

So I think the most logical explanation for both Mimi and Papika going back in age has to be that there was a radical element at the lab who wanted to harness Mimi and Papika's power in order to control the world. Mimi wasn't about to let that happen so she tried to seal Pure Illusion by turning herself into shards and that in the process somehow made both her and Papika young again but not Salt, so possibly something to do with the "direct drive" power.

Is this what most people think happened?

Either they were both made ageless/immortal by the process but Papika's memory was wiped or they were both returned to infants making Papika about the same age as Cocona now or Papika could have been killed but I doubt that.

I don't think the ageless thing quite works because Papika is clearly older than when Mimi knew her initially, they all seem in appearance to be around the same age as Cocona currently. I think if they were going for ageless Papika would have ended up being made into a idealised time kind of Papika like Mimi thinking "I wish things were back like they were when we were younger and just having fun adventuring". But then the whole Papika having no age on the monitor thing that we have seen before kind of lends itself to ageless theory.

>>150853151
Fucking Izetta with shit story and shit everything can deliver real yuri like champs. What we are having here is fucking age gap oyakodon NTR shit. WTF 3hz?

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>stray cats are not allowed in my house

>>150857991
Someone should adopt her. I know the perfect girl for the job.

How old are Sayuri and Hidaka? They don't seem Salt's age.

>>150857561
Thanks Yoshino.

>>150858125
Now try it again, but in English this time

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>>150858195
No, it's time for me to stop posting and to commit sudoku.

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>>150853151
yfw the twins fucking killed Yayaka after Cocona and Papikana ditched her at FFHQ

shouldn't have left her alone lol wtf

So what are the chances the Cocona is actually just one in a long line of clones/genetic experiments being done with Mimi being 33rd and her just being much further down the line, and possibly "another bust" was actually another Cocona/Mimi clone/experiment and they have tons of Cocona's in "storage" kind of like the Pure Storage title of next episode.

Make the show into a 100% mahou shoujo fighting anime with bosses and none of this "mystery world" bullshit.

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>>150858243

>>150857882
>>150858430

Flip Flappers has no dubs.

>>150857969
My guess post episode 7 was that Papika tried to follow Mimi into PL as she shattered and this caused enough impedance for the time to slip way further in the world we know than when in did in episode 3 (PapiCoco having impedance issues then was the given reason for time passing while they were in PI).

Papicake in the PV sort of throws a wrench in that idea but I'm waiting for more of an explanation before I make any assumptions based on the PV especially considering "I'm not Papikana" and Salts cryptic talk of the future not existing.

Why do people hate the drama? If it was just candy-colored adventures the whole time with maybe one Disney bad guy at the end then it would be boring.

>>150853151

Less creepy panty shots. Otherwise it's best show this year.

>>150858687
I don't hate the drama, but if it's just sad real-world drama from now on until the end that would mean that Flip Flappers has lost a part of what made it so good in the first place.

>>150858687

Hating drama = more drama. And people LOVE drama.

>>150858339
She deserves to die though

>>150858577
That's not a bad point actually I completely forgot that shit happened in episode 3. That really does open it up to all kinds of time type effects that could potentially explain any of that away.

>>150858687
The drama isn't the bad part here, it's actually what I expected with Cocona still acting like going on these adventures is bad. It's the worlds that they keep adding into the story and the speculations and the mysteries.

>>150858734
And what was that exactly? Even from the beginning there always seemed to be this ominous undertone to the show. It feels like a natural resolution that things are getting darker now that the finale's approaching.

>>150858871
Speculation and mystery have been a big part of this show since episode 1. The only difference now is we have some of the answers.

>>150858902
It's not about the tone, it's about the visual inventiveness. The show has always been very good about putting its drama into vivid PI metaphors (episode 9 in particular), and I hope that's not totally gone.

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>>150858902
>undertone
There was a goddamn dead girl, people that didn't expect dark times are delusional.

>>150858992
I don't think many of them at all were metaphorical in any way to be honest. Episode 9 was in plenty of ways sure but a lot of them were just about looking cool or being interesting settings.

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I'm slightly disappointed that Mimi and Salt weren't original flip flappers

>>150858902
They could have made it 20x more disturbing, 20x more dark etc and nobody would probably mind. See the previous thread if you want to read the actual reasons people are uneasy about the way the plot is going.

The only thing I don't like is how they seemed to have killed of Papika's character and replaced with adult-with-child-body Papikana.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but that is what I got from ep 10 and 11's preview.

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>>150857094
>The PV voice overs have always been gags
Episode 4's preview is great.

>>150859061
Almost all of them played on the relationship between Cocona and Papika in some way. And the actual heavy drama only has been around since episode 9 anyway.

>>150858992
This too, but honestly I could forgive the last few episodes not being such a visual treat.

>>150859101
Yeah, me too. Papika's such a third wheel.

Fanservice and a losser Mc, so people can self insert.

>>150858993
So just how many "busts" FlipFlap has killed? I wonder if they have an actual closet filled with skeletons

All Cocona posts around here panicking like crazy in the last few days, please calm down for a second and let Papika speak. You'll get your answers soon enough.

Question. Why was Iro's backstory so important if we were never going to see her again?

>>150859149
Almost none of them served as a metaphor for anything and I have yet to see anyone argue convincingly that they did.

>>150859228
You can bend reality by doing things in PI. That was the point to show using Iro's character

>>150859228
Iro's story was important, because it's showed that Pure Illusion affects reality.

>>150859228
It establishes that PIs can affect the real world, which is likely to become very important. It also matters a lot to Cocona's arc about becoming comfortable with changing things and taking risks.

>>150859242
If you're not going to be convinced by what anyone says on principle I'm not going to bother.

>>150859228
The important thing wasn't her story i think, that arc was important because it demonstrates what messing up with PI can do (altering reality)

>>150859300
Or, at least, altering other peoples' psychology.

>>150859111
>Read the previous thread
Or you could just not reply to me if you have nothing to say

>>150857991
>dad is always so serious when I ask to have a sleepover

>>150859145
someone should shoop her face into a real anus

>>150859331
It's not that I'm blowing you off, it's that people in the previous thread explained it much better than I could hope to.

Start here. Some replies further down the thread actually do a better job of explaining the misgivings we're seeing, but this is the beginning.

>>150845454

>>150859299
> It also matters a lot to Cocona's arc about becoming comfortable with changing things and taking risks.

Even besides that, the story itself had a lot to do with the themes of the show, and the main character in it not being Cocona doesn't change that.

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>>150848412
>reality vs escapism and finding the balance
>moderation as always the key to all things

Damn well put anon, I agree with this, I think its pretty close to what the shows creators have on mind as well.

And now it seems the closer Cocona becomes to Mimi the more into escapism she drifts especially after her reality has been so throughly upended with the big tweest, and the closer Papika comes to her Papikana self the more in reality she is and less escapism/immature.

>>150859508
Woops meant to quote >>150848382

>>150859299
I'm not convinced because nobody has made a compelling case. In my opinion the majority of them are just cool or interesting settings that happened to work well for the part of the story they were telling in that week.

Try making convincing arguments one by one how almost all of them are metaphorical of a part of the Papika/Cocona relationship. The setting itself representing their relationship that is. Not what happens in the PI because that isn't the setting being a metaphor, that is action.

Episode 1 is a barren wasteland of snow and forrest - If anything this is just representative of Cocona's life at the beginning, not their relationship
2 - It's literally the inside of a vacuum and bunnies? I mean you could argue maybe Cocona's life got more colourful because of Papika?
3 - Got nothing her for the setting being metaphorically like their relationship.
5 - Nothing again.
6 - Nothing in the setting.
7 - Most obvious one being about their relationship. Empty world beside Papika.
8 - Setting obviously based around two entirely different characters.
9 - More about Yayaka than anyone else if taken metaphorically.

So I have gotten to 1 that I can convincingly relate the setting metaphorically to Cocona/Papika relationship for.

>>150859425
I understand some people don't like the direction the show has taken. Personally I think it's great, we knew from the outset that there was going to be some kind of massive reveal about what Pure Illusion is, what Cocona's ominous dream was about, and so on. The thing is, Flip Flappers allowed you to get swept up way too much in the interim and the thing people really fell in love with wasn't the mysterious foreshadowing, it was the formulaic Pure Illusion shenanigans, which is what really made the show special. So now that we're finally approaching a resolution of all the dark foreshadowing, people are groaning and wishing we could just have 12 episodes worth of the first six episodes.

It's reasonable, but there's still a lot I really like about the new territory we're entering.

For one, I like Papika much more now that she's a quirky professor(?) type. We saw that coming because of the "Age ????" stuff. But that conversation she had with Salt in Episode 9, the "you've changed, Dr. Salt" thing, was great. And the whole way she behaved in that episode was super smooth, like she was just naturally able to carry on her former personality while having her "memories back" notwithstanding. That I thought was spectacularly well done.

We have Yayaka finishing her character arc and actually betraying the Twins in spite of the fact that Dr. Salt ostensibly wanted her out on her ass. So right now she's whereabouts unknown which will make for a great dramatic return, which, if I had to guess, is going to be the point at which she finally becomes the third Flip Flapper.

And Cocona's former life is gone now because Mimi blew up her house so we don't really know what's going to happen with her. But it was pretty brilliant how she lost that after trying to return home. Flip Flap's base is destroyed(?). Cocona's house is destroyed. She already turned her back on the two people she thought were her friends but secretly had ulterior motives.

>>150859508

This message has been fairly obvious, especially since the undertones are still there (I previously noted that everyone says that episode 10 resembles Evangelion, and it does so not only visually - it also tells a similar story with similar themes in a very similar way).

It's just that bringing it all to the "real" world while still retaining the whole wacky scifi conceit doesn't do a great job of saying "THIS IS REAL NOT ESCAPISM", because it still doesn't feel very real. But we'll have to see where the show goes from here, I can easily see this being done to make a point for one or two episodes. It would only be disappointing if it remains like this until the end.

>>150859704
Further to this, I think people are justified in wishing we had more episodes like 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 7 and 8. And in particular the "genre parody" ones like 3, 5 and 8. Personally I think this show could have been a great two-cour which would have allowed more of that.

>>150848412
>Right now Cocona is on the reality edge, having just learned the painful truth about her surroundings, and it's up to Papika to convince her that life isn't all suffering; that there is fun to be had.

So Cocona and Papika are basically Smile and Peco?

>>150859425
The problem I have with a lot of these posts is that their problems with what "the show" has become are all wrapped up in assumptions about what has happened to Papika as a character and her relationship to Cocona as a result of that when nothing was made particularly clear. They are literally basing that off of a Papika regaining some memories and a PV image.

For all we know Papika feels like a 14 year old girl with the memories of some other self quite separate from her own experience rather than suddenly feeling like an older woman stuck inside a child's body that isn't hers.

>>150859692
It's not even metaphorical in most cases, it just tells a story:

1: Cocona only goes along for the ride, secretly enjoys herself but doesn't want to, rejects Papika in the end
2: Cocona is forced to come along to save her pet, Papika saves them both in the end, accepts that it's fun
3: Cocona is put on the spot by Welwitschia, who tells her she's empty and ruled by repressed desires. Papika saves her again and they team up.
4: They have to get even closer, this episode is mainly centered around the different approaches to life C and P have, where they both think what the other does instinctively is hard.
5: relationship stuck in an eternal time loop of non-committal lazy days from which they have to escape

etc. I could go on, but it's really not that hard to see.

>>150859780
it would have been very hard to continue the relationship development as strongly or connect the PI's to the relationships as strongly if there were more PI fun time episodes.

>>150859947
Why the fuck are you saying its metaphorical when what you mean is the setting has nothing to do with it just like I said? Like I just said in my last post don't come back with actions of what happened in the PI that isn't the setting being a metaphor. It is literally just the show telling its story in a cool setting.

>>150859860
Smile is a better Cocona, but Papika is a better Peko.
Now i want t see Smile and Papika going to PI together

>>150859989
Because it tells this story by putting the characters in said setting. That means the setting matters and is not arbitrary.

>>150859704
>I like Papika much more now that she's a quirky professor
I love Papicake too, don't get me wrong, and the possibility of seeing her as someone who either never got a proper chance to grow up, or is in some kind of legit denial about it makes her character sympathetic.

Papika's characterization was always kept intentionally vague. We understood that from the start, but rather than that making her ominous and foreboding, her disarming appeal made her into a null mask onto which we projected our hopes and desires. We were free to dream in any wacky direction we wanted what kind of person Papika would turn out to be, and what kind of a story they inhabited.

>>150859977
Think so? There was a bunch of glossed-over material with Pure Illusion though. It's implied they went to a bunch that we never saw. Like that Jack & the Beanstalk one.

>>150859860
Yes except Papika and Cocona are in a better show.

>>150853151
It's fine as it is and if that means it doesn't sell the more the shame.

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Yayakas forehead.

>>150860219
Am I the only one who legit loves Yayaka's doofus hairstyle and massive forehead?

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CoconASS

>>150860043
>very good about putting its drama into vivid PI metaphors
>I don't think many of them at all were metaphorical in any way to be honest.
>Almost all of them played on the relationship between Cocona and Papika in some way
>Almost none of them served as a metaphor

Your whole point was that the Pure Illusions act as visual metaphors for the relationship between Cocona and Papika. You haven't made a case for that at all. You have just said what happened in those settings. That is literally just the story. Those stories could have been told in plenty of settings, there is no reason a time loop needs to be set in a yuri horror cross setting, no reason Cocona has to be saved in a Mad Max desert by Papika, no reason for Cocona to be saved in a vacuum bunny world by Papika.

Like I said, the settings are chosen because they are cool and interesting and chosen because they fit the part of the story they want to tell that week but not in any way because they themselves are metaphorical of the relationship itself.

So yeah I guess I was right, nobody has yet to convincingly argue "almost all" of the PIs were metaphors for anything and definitely not a specific relationship. All you saw there was literally parts of the relationship being played out, not metaphors for the relationship but the relationship itself.

>>150860305
And TTGL is "just" a story about believing in yourself and doesn't have anything to do with giant robots, you dense motherfucker.

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>>150860256
No, she's an emblem of beauty.

>>150860339
Yeah that has literally nothing to do with my point. The PIs themselves tell us nothing about the relationships, they are merely the place in which those relationships are happening. They are not metaphors for the relationship in any sense.

>there are people who don't realize episode 2 is basically Uexkull wanting to fuck Cocona

>>150860256
it's one of those things that looks ugly in 3D but great in 2D

>>150860295
Was this really necessary?

>>150860448
Absolutely.

>>150860295
This really wasn't necessary

>>150860448
Yes.

>>150860423
>there are people who don't realise that Uexkull's appearance in the episode 2 is basically an imagery of Salt wanting to fu- protect Mimi

>>150860420
So when are we going to get to the PI that is a metaphor for them wanting to fuck each other senseless?

>>150860448
What this guy said >>150860475

>>150859860
When I see posts like this I think to myself "how on earth did this person came to that conclusion, Ping Pong/any other recent show isn't the first, second or third show I'd think about or compare to FF" I get reminded that some people here are new and need to watch more chinese cartoons.

>>150860448
Niceassary? Yes

>>150860420
>putting the characters in a fantasy desert environment where people punch each other and then have them punch each other for character development is not a metaphor

>>150860107
Nice bait

>>150860600
Dunno man, I like Flip Flappers more than Ping Pongers.

>>150860629
Me too. I think PP is babby's first Yuasa. doesn't mean it's bad, but it's very overrated around here. His other shows back in the day didn't get as much threads/praise when they were airing

>>150860576
Exactly, that stuff is actually happening, literally, not metaphorically, it isn't a representation of something else in some symbolic fashion but the story itself. The relationship is unfolding in that setting through actual action. A dog chasing a cat is not a metaphor for a dog chasing a cat. The fact that a dog chased a cat down an alley doesn't make that alley a metaphor for the dog chasing the cat.

>>150860629
I think FF is barely on par with Kemonozume, Yuasa's worst.

>>150860695

I saw Mind Game a long time before PP. Worst movie i've ever seen.

>>150860737
Delete yourself out of existence.

>>150860736
Kemonozume is his best TV show with Ping Pong being his worst. Flip Flappers is better than Ping Pong.

>>150860764
>muh artstyle
>muh pretty colors
>muh artistic visions are a metaphor for what's going on
Kys please for the love of god.

>>150860787
>saying all that while in a FF thread
Hilarious. Anon let me give you a hug.

While I enjoy the sudden Yuasa discussion, we're not the right thread.

I can't wait to see what new convulsions and fits the PV manages to cause in these threads tomorrow.

>>150860713
Sure, if you boil down the term "PI" to just "the look of the backgrounds" then it's not very clear. The issue is just that PIs are more than just a background, they're complete worlds with sets of rules, and those rules facilitate the actual story happening, and no, a lot of those stories couldn't happen anywhere else.

If dogs only ever chased cats in alleyways, and barely anything else ever happened in alleyways, then showing an alleyway would indeed register as a metaphor for a dog chasing a cat.

>>150860736
Kemonozume, just as Kaiba, suffers from terrible ending. Yuasa can't do originals for shit. While for FF there's still hope in this regard.

>>150860883
I think we already hit the epitome of butthurt

>>150860864
FF has better character development, better art, better storytelling, better music and better entertainment value than anything Yuasa has ever made, especially Mind Game and Ping Pong.

ココナはココナだよ！

>>150860068
I think the reason they were glossed over was because they help represent the post episode 4 state of their relationship but don't contain any movement in that relationship. Kind of related to the school where time never moves on in that episode.
each episode worthy event has some movement in their relationship from Coccona's perspective

1 meeting / refusing
2 accepting as a part of her life
3 jealousy and measuring herself against Papika / feeling inadequate
4 speaking her self frustrations and coming to an understanding / growing closer
5 breaking the pattern
6 sharing a deeply emotional experience with / seeking comfort from
7 seeking to define her feelings
8 confident in their relationship only to be shattered
9 trust issues overcome but not resolved
10 tumbling down

Adding more episodes could have harmed this underlying narrative. Episode 8 is the closest thing to such an episode (no relationship movement) aside from the ending, it's the only one where change in the relationship can't be tied to the central focus of the episode. It was great on its own but because it also worked as a bridge into focus on Yayaka's arc and insight into some of the side characters. However adding more episodes like 8 without that context would begin to stretch the narrative in my opinion.

>>150861052
Episode 8 doesn't advance Cocona/Papika much, but it does have the very important development of getting Cocona out of the Iroha-induced "what if I do something wrong" paranoia and just learning to risk something.

>>150860989
k

>>150861154
>can't even make a counter argument
Just like a Yuasafag.

The twist needed more buildup desu

It's hard to say as we haven't seen what happens next, but I'd argue that the KKK intentionally left Mimi's amorphous in Cocona because they knew she would bring them all into herself and have some other way of controlling or manipulating her to serve their own purposes. They also knew that Yayaka could never actually take mimi's amorphous out of Cocona which is why they betted on it when they sent her out one last time.

The whole Grandma was in it all along thing, while shocking could have been a lot more significant if her presence in the show was something more than 'had a bad dream?' I had absolutely no reason to care about the grandma because her relationship wiht Cocona is almost entirely off screen. So when I get told "oh no she was lying" I couldn't care less because there was no sense of trust on screen between Cocona and Grandma.

FlipFlap seems to have had no idea that Cocona had anything to do with Mimi, which does imply further it was the KKK's plan all along but again, particularly with how shit Yayaka's relationship with Cocona was explained. Again a case of a relationship happening off screen and then being explaine away by "she was working against you all along lmao"

TL:DR, those that betrayed her should have been closer on screen than they really were.

>>150861176
>The whole Grandma was in it all along thing, while shocking could have been a lot more significant if her presence in the show was something more than 'had a bad dream?' I had absolutely no reason to care about the grandma because her relationship wiht Cocona is almost entirely off screen. So when I get told "oh no she was lying" I couldn't care less because there was no sense of trust on screen between Cocona and Grandma.
I'm still pretty convinced that wasn't her grandma at all but an illusion of her. Why would Cocona's grandma, of all characters, be the one to lead a group of robots to world domination? It doesn't make sense, even for this show.

>>150861171
I already told you I'm not going to post more about it in my previous post, because this isn't the right thread. And I do like Flip Flappers a lot - I'm here, aren't I?
Don't see the point of your bait, especially since we actually have some discussion about FF going on at the moment.

>>150860955
Of course they could happen elsewhere, and of course it wouldn't be exactly the same if it did, that doesn't make any of it metaphorical.

You could have invented any kind of world for Papika to save Cocona in twice and had them same story progression on the overall scale. You could down a time loop in any damn setting you liked other than a yuri horror story.

The relationship is just happening in those settings. Sure they are creative, detailed and interesting worlds integrated well into the story and visually interesting but they're not the relationship and not metaphors for that relationship either.

You really haven't managed to make a single convincing argument yet for a single setting being a metaphor for the relatiopnship. You have just said "these parts of the relationship happened in this setting" which I already pointed out was the case to begin with. Saying "it wouldn't be exactly the same story if they changed the PI's" is obvious but ultimately if vacuum bunny world was swapped for something else it wouldn't have had a huge impact on the story like for example Papika never seeing Cocona in danger would have had and that part could have happened in any PI.

>>150861145
True. You can twist my argument a bit to more coherently mean that I feel if more episodes were added to the middle wherein Cocona does not advance as a character then it would become a detriment to the show as a whole.

>>150861260
How is it bait when Yuasa truly is a hack? Has he done anything note worthy in years? And no, Ping Pong wouldn't be considered "note worthy" since only Yuasafags and people actually give the animation style a chance know about it.

>>150861240
>Why would Cocona's grandma, of all characters, be the one to lead a group of robots to world domination?
Jesus, she's not leading, she's just a robot sent by KKK to look after her. She ordered grunts around just because she's a bit higher in the chain of command.

>>150861240
Why would you think she was leading them? Why would you think they are a group of robots?

Half of what you are saying doesn't make any sense. She was just monitoring Cocona for the KKK not leading them. The leaders of KKK are humans from the lab Salts father worked at.

>>150861277
And I already told you, at the level you're arguing nothing ever is a metaphor for anything and all stories are entirely divorced from their settings anyway.

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>>150861310

>>150861176
I think there were no need to spend more time on Grandma. Grandma was the only thing that was stable in Cocona's life lately. Boring, yet stable. And it went to nothing in the last episode.

>>150861320
>Half of what you are saying doesn't make any sense.
Neither does this show, but that doesn't stop anyone.

>>150861176
>FlipFlap seems to have had no idea that Cocona had anything to do with Mimi

I am pretty sure Salt knew. Unless he is literally blind there is no way that is believable. The way he suggested there would be a way to win even if KKK took all their fragments implies he knew something too.

>>150861360
That isn't the case at all though. All I have said is that the story literally playing out infront of you isn';t metaphorical. A setting being metaphorical would be arguing something like "the barren, hostile landscape of episode 1 represents the empty, dull life we saw Cocona leading at the start of the episode" and so on. A metaphorical setting is not "Two of the characters fought there".

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>>150857991
Salt please

Salt = Gendo with Kamina glasses. Wonder if he'll do anything awesome at some point. (or did already, as per timeline.)

>>150861393
There isn't anything that doesn't make sense to me so far, just things unexplained.

>>150861481
Too softie to be Gendo

>>150861465
>A setting being metaphorical would be arguing something like "the barren, hostile landscape of episode 1 represents the empty, dull life we saw Cocona leading at the start of the episode"

Then why do you reject things like "they turn into bunnies and want to bite things" or "they're stuck in an infinite loop of yuribait" as being metaphorical, and on top of that pretend that "the setting" of either of these things doesn't matter to that?

>>150861531

Well, beta-version of Gendo. Cocona = less beta version of Shinji, too. Mixed in with some Rei. God damn it, have to forget Eva and stop drawing parallels where there are none.

>>150861176
For the show's purpose Grandma didn't need to represent anything to Cocona other than family and a safe place for her to call home and I feel it accomplished that perfectly. There was more then enough buildup to her allegiance with the KKK seeing as many people were predicting it far ahead of time.
>>150861240
My take is that Grandma could have been offered the ability to get her legs back by the KKK (seeing as they are associated with doctors and healing) and the Robotic parts were how they accomplished that.
But it's also unlikely that she was actually her grandmother to begin with considering Mimi's upbringing.

The way the world sort of distorted and some of the allusions that the world we are in now is not exactly reality have sort of made me wonder if this version of the world is not entirely a larger scale version of the room that Mimi grew up in. We know her life as a whole was controlled but what if the entire world itself was a fishbowl as well?

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>>150860295
I WANT TO SEE HER BLEED CUM FROM THER!
MY CUM!

>>150861621
Considering Grandma has had little to no screen time in this show so far, it's safe to confirm she was never her grandma to begin with. Though if she was, the twist is just stupid. If she's not, then it's excusable since we had no ties with her to begin with.

>>150861697
Maybe she was replaced with a robot by KKK at the ep1, when Cocona got captured. But that's unlikely.

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Any suggestions how a bunch of scientists reverted to religious cultists-scientists? Anyway, if it happens irl, I believe all 'muh Dawkins' guys will be in the front row to do the same thing

>>150861741
So G-ma has been held captive all this time? Still, since they never mentioned her after episode 1 (if she was even mentioned then), it's still a "why should we care?" moment. It's like caring about the childhood friend of the MC that was never established but we should care because it's the childhood friend.

>>150861394
Perhaps you're right on that part. I'm still unsure then why he bothered trying to grab the amorphous at all if he was aware this would eventually happen.

>>150861621
I disagree. Stopped clocks are right twice a day and just randomly guessing that X person will betray them will always happen. Go back into earlier threads and you will find someone pointing the finger at everyone.

Not to mention the Grandma's actions were completely out of character and often served to trick the audience rather than Cocona

The penultimate example is when Cocona first disappears and, in an empty home, the grandma says "must be going through her rebbelious phase" (At least according to horriblesubs)

Why would she bother saying this? If she is her actual grandmother would she really be so nonchalant about her granddaughter disappearing?

If however and what I choose to believe, she was replaced by her real grandmother after The KKK probably killed her parents folliwng my 'they know about mimi' sugestion Why say it at all? Even something more vague like "This won't change much" or anything that doesn't directly imply she was actually her grandmother would have made a lot more narrative sense than just using a nonsensical one-liner to lead the audience on a false trail

She literally had noone to say it too other than the fucking rabbit. Unless we're arguing that the rabbit is actually a Flip Flap sleeper agent too (not), the inclusion of this line really fucks with what they were doing because even when noone was around to hear her and there was no consequence to her saying anything, the audience did not get even the slightest hint that there was actually something awry with her.

>>150861750
Yeah. I wonder if Asclepius worship was always there, or if its recent. Maybe as they got understood more about PI, there was part of the group that was becoming more spiritual.
It could also be that the PI explosion caused by Mimi changed them from a science cult to a religious one.

>>150861602
I give up anon really. It isn't worth the effort when you can't even make a single argument about a setting being metaphorical. When you claim almost all of them are. I've made more compelling arguments about settings being metaphorical than you have and I don't even think they are.

Tell me what is the yuri school symbolic of, a metaphor for, the setting of the episode, tell me what is the inside of the vacuum cleaner symbolic of, a metaphor for, the setting of the episode. Don't tell me about things they did in those settings. You were arguing that they are "visual metaphors" not "some of the stuff the characters did in those settings could be interpreted sometimes as metaphorical of something other than just the literal actions".

>>150861913
>Why would she bother saying this?
Disguised report to KKK HQ.

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>>150861913
>the rabbit is actually a Flip Flap sleeper agent
But he is. He and Bu-chan are bros and best friends 4eva after the 4th ep

>>150862000
>Tell me what is the yuri school symbolic of, a metaphor for, the setting of the episode

static relationships that can't progress

>tell me what is the inside of the vacuum cleaner symbolic of, a metaphor for, the setting of the episode

fertility

in b4 you're "not convinced"

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Is Salt younger or older than Papika?

Is Salt Cocona's Mummy?

>>150862082
Stop arguing with that guy, he won't accept anything unless there's a big sign next to it saying "THING X MEANS Y". Basically unless it's so obvious as to not even be a metaphor anymore, it's not a metaphor but just pretentious nonsense.

>>150861792
Stop trying to make me gay!

cockono /ss/ twist soon
screenshot this

>>150862022
Kek, honestly I wouldn't be surprised

>>150862021
disguised how though
I mean I could accept even when she's alone she'd talk in code but does something like that need to be so vaguely encoded? I'm pretty convinced they have her house wired and camera'd long before Cocona arrived there.

Perhaps I'm overthinking it and she was just having a joke with the people watching the house through cameras. Even then her revealed personality when she shows that she works for the KKK wasn't really a joker.

>>150861741
>>150861775
What makes you think "Grandma" wasn't a spy from the very moment Mimi left her?

Mimi left with Cocona as a baby, Salt should've known his daugther is alive somehow if a real grandma was taking care of her. Or maybe I'm forgetting something?

>>150861750
They were probably originally torn between the prospective potential of their research and the human cost of its pursuit, and as the burden of bodycount accumulated became increasing obsessive and eager to rationalize the ends over the means until their work became dogmatic.

Religious fervor is a great way for people to defer guilt over the consequences of their actions. It's how many IRL cults manage to attract followers

>>150861913
Plenty of people noticed something was off about Grandma and were suspicious of her from very early on
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Although the robot thing wasn't specifically called a lot, think that was mentioned in two posts directly but many thought she was a KKK spy or distrusted her or thought she was suspicious or creepy all the way from early days.

>>150862261
>I mean I could accept even when she's alone she'd talk in code but does something like that need to be so vaguely encoded?
Maybe the grannybot is just programmed to be as unsuspicious as possible. There is no reason why it wouldn't talk to itself when alone either. Just because it's a robot it wouldn't know if someone listens on the other side of the door, even by chance.

>>150862278
When was it confirmed that Salt was Cocona's father?

>>150862082
How is the inside of a vacuum cleaner symbolic of fertility?

How is a yuri school symbolic of a stuck relationship?

Now be careful here to actually talk about the settings themselves and not the things that happen there.

>>150861792
please do Papia next

>>150862367
Not confirmed, just hinted

Salt+Mimi = can reproduce
Salt made the clover crown for Mimi

>>150861792
MIDRIFF

>>150862367
Based on episode 10 and 7's flashback, it's hard to think otherwise

>>150862456
>>150862474
So Salt had a baby with a test experiment?

>>150862474
Cocona could just be one of many in a line of Mimi clones seeing as Mimi was 33rd.

>>150862510
You say you wouldn't?

>>150862353
>recognize one of my posts in there
What have I been doing with my life?

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>>150862421
>How is the inside of a vacuum cleaner symbolic of fertility?

>>150862511
Mimi held a baby in the flashback
She called Cocona her daugther

>>150856762
Here's your (you). Back to /g/ lad

>>150862421
>please prove that X actually means Y, you will be graded on the result

you're right, i just looked inside my own vacuum cleaner and it looks nothing like episode 2. this show can't get the simplest facts straight, geez

>>150861913
>I'm still unsure then why he bothered trying to grab the amorphous at all if he was aware this would eventually happen.
I think it's because Salt's plan wasn't to collect it all by himself. He knew KKK has already got a good chunk of it and he wants to speed up the process (by sending out Papika and Cocona to search). It doesn't matter if KKK snatched the shards from Papika and Cocona because all that matters is the fragments are found and he have some kind of plan to steal all the fragments owned by KKK

>>150862657
If Mimi was the first successful experiment and then they all used her DNA from then on it would make a great deal of sense to call her daughter. The baby could be one of the test subjects they escaped with. The KKK have grown other children for PI usage. The "another bust" in episode 1 could have easily been another failed experiment in cloning that couldn't perform the Mimi function for Papika.

>>150862731
So nothing compelling? Thought not. You should have just agreed to begin with rather than taking this long to accept it if you cant even argue the case for a single one of them beyond "its about fertility". I managed to do better with my barren landscape one without trying. Probably just regurgitating someone elses bullshit to be honest without an original thought in your head.

>>150860737
Mind Game is great. It's not for everyone, though. Not everyone is going to relate to it, but it meant a lot to me.

THIS STORY HAS NEVER ENDED.

>>150862511
>Mimi was 33rd.
I bet she feels like a hero after blowing up Cocona's house

>>150862765
It would explain why Salt doesn't come clean to Cocona. She's not his daughter, just another clone of his waifu.

>>150861792
Holy shit anon you draw so well and have the courtesy to leave the fun of coloring for us. I'll get to it later if nobody beats me to it by then.

>>150862765
A clone would have the same eye color.

>>150862765
>The "another bust" in episode 1 could have easily been another failed experiment in cloning that couldn't perform the Mimi function for Papika.
Said the same thing in a previous thread because Papika's response to AB was fairly weird

But I don't think Cocona is a clone.

>>150861310
Its like you hate good anime or something

cocona will grow up to be with papikana

>>150862988
>cocona will grow up to be with papika
FTFY

>>150862837
If I was an autistic prick like you, I could easily go and say "what does an empty landscape full of sweet snow have to do with Cocona, provide proof of this farfetched interpretation". But hey, since you came up with it yourself, it's valid, and since you can't come up with anything else, anything else is invalid.

>>150862904
Yeah this one is harder to explain but Cocona now has the same eye colour so maybe "Mimi" isn't actually a person as such but something that inhabits certain persons. I dunno if Cocona's eye colour can change though we can't assume original Mimi's eyes were always that colour.

>>150861013
ココナはミミだよ!

>>150863020
That isn't what I have said at all though. I just asked you to expand on how you would argue those things represent what you say they do and how those are related to the relationship of Papika and Cocona. If almost all of them are able to be related like this it should be fairly easy. The amount of effort you put into not doing it though is evidence in itself you can't.

Maybe Yayaka had Papika cells injected on to her and got strands of red hair

>>150862904
>Cocona was a perfect clone of Mimi
>knowing what was in store for her, Mimi takes her to PI
>regrets never getting to have a real child of her own with Salt
>uses her PI powers to alter Cocona's DNA, effectively making her half Mimi half Salt

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>>150858723
It's a deconstruction of "abundant fanservice in anime" trope you clueless pleb.

>>150863170
So she only loves Cocona because of her latent Papikana genes?

>>150863250
>deconstruction
I don't think you know what that word means

>>150863250
No, episode 8 was all fanservice, taken to over the top levels.

>>150858723
Was this post really necessary?

>>150863250
I wonder if the animator had to take a photo of himself in this posture to get the perspective and proportions right.

>>150863424
It fit the tone, since the entire episode was over-the-top and cliche. Giant robots, gattai, kaijuu, it was great.

Fix the OP.

>>150862861
I really just didn't get it. I can appreciate the type of art and storytelling they were going for but it just did not click with me at all.
>>150862960
It's like you have no standards or something.

>>150863372
Words are but a means of art I use to paint my view on things, they mean what I want.

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>>150863424
That's why episode 8 was so good.

>>150861792
Anon do you have a pixiv or something?

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http://www.strawpoll.me/11861557

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>>150861792
Draw Salt-kun

>>150863789
>Yayashit winning
Ep 10 was a mistake.

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>Papika
>Yayaka
>PALS?
More likely than you might think

>>150863872
kek

>>150863872
>And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.

The warnings were real.

>Flip Flappers turns into a tragedy
What could possibly go wrong?

>>150863789
Neither.
she should date my 20-something secretary

>>150863968
Once again, there was a dead body in the very beginning

>>150863968
Everytime I hear he OP I know it is going to have a happy ending.

>tfw we're having sufferings now because the ending is going to be a good
How does one fail to understand this simple fact?

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>>150863789
Continuing from yesterday:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11852058

>>150864048
It will make the pay off all the better when it comes too. Without lows there can be no real highs.

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>>150861468
>hey hey Salt-kun why can't say no to girls resembling Mimi?

>>150863968
it's not a tragedy unless it ends on a down note

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>>150864050
>Papika so low
What happened?

>>150864166
Memers voting for yyk

>>150864166
Episode 10

It'll change once we get some more answers
She's still my favorite. Can't say no to that stupid face of hers.

>>150864166
People have bough the "shes a 40yr old woman in a 14 year olds body and tricked Cocona and lied about her feelings" meme.

>>150864050
>that subtle fanservice

>>150864197
>meme
>actually what happened
Why are Papicucks so delusional?

>>150864166
Yayaka's the only one whose done nothing wrong.

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>>150864166
I've always been of the opinion that Cocona > Yayaka > Papika so the current result is perfect in my eyes.
They're all great though.

>>150864273
Papika is the only one whose done nothing wrong. She has never intentionally lied or deceived Cocona where as everyone else has.

>>150864273
If you believe that then there is no reason to think Papika did anything wrong either.

>>150864021
Let it dispel the darkness and soothe anons down a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57A0a5W1NU8

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But Papika is the cutest how can people not like her?

>>150864323
She kept Mimi from Cocona the entire time. She also used Cocona as a replacement for Mimi. She's a fake friend.

>>150864272
None of that happened. Papika hasn't lied about anything at any point, and we have no idea what the relationship is between Papika and her past memories in any clear sense.

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>>150864387
Papika a slut

>>150864387
I love all the flip flaps

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>Koseki[edit]
>In Japan, each citizen is registered through the koseki system whereby an individual is registered as a part of household (while in the West, a birth certificate can act as a proof of identity). Koseki registration performs a somewhat similar role to marriage in the West as it endows a member of the same koseki legal power (as next of kin) in dealing with civil matters such as inheritance, hospital visits or the right to organise a funeral. Therefore, registering each other as a part of the koseki works as a substitute for Western-style marriage. As a consequence, Japanese gay couples, in the absence of same-sex marriage or civil partnership laws, often use adoption procedures to register themselves as belonging to the same household (where the older partner legally adopts the younger partner, which in absence of a spouse makes the only adopted child the sole executor of that household).
Papikana's not a legal citizen and all Yayaka has to do is get Mimisaur to sign some adoption papers. Enjoy your kiss before dead, Papitos.

>>150864387
false equivalence bucko

>>150864391
She regained her memories in the last episode. You're either lying or dumb.

>>150864391
This.

Papika is a deceiver and a pedo.

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>>150864408
Hidoi

>>150864391
Are you dumb? Papika didn't even know about Mimi until the last episode. It is literally impossible to deceive someone about something if you are unaware of it yourself. There was only one point at which Papika wasn't wholly truthful and that is when she couldn't bring herself to tell Cocona about Mimi in episode 10 which she tried to do straight away after working it out but couldn't because she wanted to protect her.

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>>150864471
>They fell for the "losing your memories" meme

>>150864522
Dude. Watch the show. It's not a meme.

>>150864522
>pretending to be retarded

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>>150864522

>>150864471
Also Salt and Bu-chan seemed like they didn't want her to tell Cocona.
She just ended up in a pretty bad position, even when she's honest Cocona wouldn't believe her

>>150864610
He's kinda cute

>>150864638
What I don't get is, are girls always that possessive over their friends?

I mean if my friend told me they had another friend who was important to them even when I was 14 I doubt I would have lost my shit over it.

>>150864610
You go on a magic adventure with a cute redhead and this guy comes up and calls her a "fake friend"
What do you do?

>>150864720
That's pretty normal from what I remember of my middle school days.

>>150864720
>friend
It's love anon.

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>>150864763
Get my mum to kick the shit out of him.

>>150853151
By replacing it with Soushin Shoujo Matoi

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>>150864803
>trying to incite fanbase wars
Stop.

>>150864803
You keep posting stuff like this.
Can I call you Matoi-anon?

>>150864387
Papikana

>>150864801
Your mum is stupid and a fake friend.
>>150864763
Don't forget she keeps secrets from her friends.
>>150864803
Is anyone literally keeping up with that show?

>>150864855
>Matoi
>fanbase
Literally me lurking and 2 other guys.

>>150864720
Cocona is a teenage girl in love.
Makes perfect sense for her to be retarded and possessive, hurt by the smallest things

>>150864720
It's not because Papika has another friend.
Cocona is pissed because Papika called her Mimi, so she feels like Papika used her as a replacement.
It's honestly a bit weird, since Cocona didn't know how Mimi looked or who she is when all this began

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>>150864933
>Horrible Subs being horrible subs

>>150864720
>friends

>>150864933
I'd rump her rump, if you know what I mean.

>>150864876
She had 1 "secret" she didn't remember for most of the show that she immidiately told Cocona when asked, even though Salt didn't want her to.
I don't get your problem

>>150864920
And now that Mimi is in control, I suspect that Cocona will get some details about her past with Papika(na). She'll realize that Papika has her share of troubles and that they were always a secondary concern in her relationship with Cocona.

>>150865026
He is pretending to be retarded for (you)'s. It is obvious by now.

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>>150865026
She didn't want to tell Cocona who Mimi was since episode 8 because she wanted to protect her, which is still keeping secrets.
>>150865075
Thank you.

>>150865040
Mimi is back so it might be enough for Cocona to see that Papika still cares for her

We give it a plot.

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>>150865218
We have plenty of plot.

>>150865276
I hope Yuyu likes big, throbbing plots.

>>150865276
What a whore.

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>>150865276
This is begging for a money edit

Papikana will end up as a surrogate mother for Cocona.

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>>150865355
Delete this.
Cocona is pure.

cocona will flip papikana's flaps by force!

>>150865407
>Papikaasan
I don't want this.
Maybe if they still have sex and it's that awkwardly uncomfortable "flip my flaps harder mommy" sort of relationship it will be okay.

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>>150865276
What's this used for?

>>150865697
Lesbian contraceptive

>>150865697
Yayaka uses it to make her strings make things explode. What use Yuyu has for it, no idea.

>>150865736
>Yayaka uses it to make her strings make things explode.
Is is some mecha/toku trope?

How is it even supposed to work?

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>>150865973
>How is it even supposed to work?

>>150865697
It stops her fist from going too deep.

>>150865697
To prevent her fist from going too deeply.

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>>150866002
I guess you'd need it, Toto.

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>>150866002
Holy shit

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>>150866002
Flipmind

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>>150866000
>>150866002

Flip-posters are ruining these threads

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>>150866002
You're thinking of the wrong fist.