Why do people hate Emiya?

>>150840643

lawful good is for fags

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>>150840643

>>150840643
Chaotic Evil kiddies are not people.

>>150840643
Because they're secondaries. Or because they don't appreciate justice, like this >>150840785 faggot.

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>>150840785

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>>150840643

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>>150841415
>I was saving my first kiss for Issei!

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>>150840643
He's an idiot with borrowed ideals that needs to drown.

>>150841415
>that mouth kissed HOW many dicks?!

>>150841545
>Let your ideals drag you to your death

Fixed

>>150841270
>Lawful Good
>pictures of Luffy
To be fair it looks like he has no fucking clue what it means.

>>150841545
>>150841619
>He's an idiot who needs to drown in his borrowed ideals
Get it right

>>150840643
>is one of the only masters who can cooperate with Spartacus
>whether they'd win is a separate issue entirely

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>>150841545

>>150840643
They know they could never be as great as him.

>you'll never have a wife as great as Shirou
Feels bad
>cooks
>cleans
>loves to help
>snarky in a low key way
>great in an emergency
>/fit/ for a jap

>>150841545
>Wahhh wahhh muh ideals betrayed me
>There's no point in saving people if I don't get rewarded for it
>I'm going to murder my past self from AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TIMELINE because that will totally fix everything
>dies to shit his past self is completely able to overcome

Remind me why people like this douche?

>>150841803
To be fair he's only a going full douche because he's salty as fuck because being part of the Counter Force sucks dick and balls to the extreme especially for an idealistic fellow like him

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>>150841803
>There's no point in saving people if I don't get rewarded for it

He never wanted rewards though.

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>>150840643

Shirou is perhaps the single most ludicrously exaggerated example of the "hotblooded shonen protagonist" that exists in modern anime. He is every single stereotype that plagues other shonen MCs turned up to 11 and then beyond to a level that the laws of physics dictate shouldn't even be possible. He's brawny, chivalrous, unbelievably dense, and faced with every indication that his current course of action will lead to utter catastrophe he still decides to plow right through to the end.

I don't think a lot of my fellow Fatefags quite realize the magnitude of Shirou's thickheaded determination. He literally faces off against HIS FUTURE SELF who has spent god knows how many millenia waiting for the opportunity to go back in time and kill him to prove how futile his ideal of becoming a Hero of Justice is. He has to look at himself from the future straight in the eye and be told that his current course of action will lead to nothing but misery and despair, that everyone he ever cared for will betray him. His hope of a future where he save everyone doesn't just get demolished, it gets stabbed, beaten, burnt, frozen, poisoned, cut into a million pieces and blasted off to space. By himeslf no less. And what does Emiya Shirou do in the face of this onslaught against everything he holds dear?

He wins. He powers through pain, torture, psychological agony and literally stabs his own future self just to prove how singularly dedicated he is to being a Hero of Justice. He defies the universe itself and comes through just through sheer force of will. And on top of all that, on top of having every indication that he is a fool and that his life's goals are worthless, he still manages to be a kind, warm, trustworthy guy to his friends. Most of us don't have the weight of the world on our shoudlers, and we can't even manage to be those things half the time to our loved ones. In other words, childhood is idolizing Archer, adulthood is realizing Shirou makes more sense.

>>150841920
He gets extremely salty about how he only gets to kill shit as a Counter guardian and doesn't get to see the people he's saving.

>>150842042
Its not seeing people he's saving its that he's basically not saving just slaying
Counter Force is deployed only when hell has hit earth and they gotta mop everything up in a sea of death to make sure it doesn't spread and can't happen again
This is further aggravated by being part of the Fuyuki Grail war again
I mean in Extraverse he's a rather affable fella if a bit of a sarcastic dick

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I think a lot of people feel threatened by how cool and manly he is.

>>150842023
>modern anime

He is almost 15 years old

>>150842310
anon pls all characters in this work of fiction are 18+ years old
They all just got held back once or twice

>>150840643
only edgelord faggots hate him

>>150842249
This desu.

Being swept in this dark cesspool for years, a genuinely pure light is blinding to most people.

>>150840785
/thread

>>150842350
i mean FSN is almost 15 years old.

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>>150841776

Shirou is a domestic goddess. Other women just can't compete.

>>150842023
>he still manages to be a kind, warm, trustworthy guy to his friends.

Except the part where he rapes Rin and facefucks Saber.

It was a good concept, but it failed in execution imo. An extremely challenging character to write compellingly, granted.

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Miyuverse Shirou is best Shirou

>>150842500
He's pretty good but don't jump the gun. There's still the rest of Prisma for him to get gimped.

>>150842453
The forced hentai don't count.

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>>150841415
what did he say?

>>150842453

>Except the part where he rapes Rin and facefucks Saber.
>imbligyn she didn't love the jackhammer

>>150842500
Miyuverse Shirou is basically just Heaven's Feel Shirou's determination with Unlimited Blade Works' jump in skill, both turned up to 11.

>>150842453
Different writer

I just hate justicefags.

>>150842565
Yea I know; I'm exaggerating a bit. But my essential point here is that, while conceptually his character is extremely interesting, the actual execution of his character, his actual personification or characterization is very poor.

It's all so Japanese, you know?

Test

>>150842500
Fuck no. I read Prisma for Ilya and lolis and then this faggot went and stole the spotlight.

>>150842781
That' the general word around here. However I'm not entirely sure that's true. IIRC it's contradicted in this interview somewhere

http://tsukikan.com/misc/type-moon-staff-round-table-talk.html

>>150843076
Same site, different interview

>>150842565
>doesn't

Just say "doesn't" desu

>>150843105
link or it never happened desu

>>150840643

I like Shirou, but I like Shiki better

>>150843141
Hint - It's in the Tsukihime section

>>150842042
He's never given a shit about seeing the smiling faces of the people he's helped though.
Only the knowledge that he's saved someone's life was enough.
But he, is being thrust again and again into situations that mirror or are the exact same thing as the litteral hell on earth that he was reborn from.

The one place, the one thing, that he fears more then anything else and he's often sent there to make things worse.

The knowledge that he's probably saving someone became so distant compared to the destruction and death that he would cause every single waking moment was drowned out.

When he became archer he finally attained something to his own sense of self, but it cost him the lie of humanity that he had created to keep himself human and good.

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>yfw kuro dies from protecting ilya

>>150843225
It's finals week senpai. desu desu desu desu

>>150841270
>Lawful good is great because it was actually chaotic good all along guys

>>150842631
>I told you not to swallow!

>>150843369
No, I slow down when it's an H-scene. If it's just a normal H-scene I can finish it pretty quickly, but if I'm writing scripts with a heavy emphasis on its plot, I can't create a discontinuity in the story even if it's an H-scene, and it's very hard to balance parts that's related to the story. After writing something, I'd take a look and say "this is totally wrong" and re-write it. The H-scene needs to be erotic, yet still preserving Shiki's characteristics, it was very difficult. In the end I spent the most time on the H-scenes. Comparatively, you could say the non-H sections are easy, since I just need to write out the story.

For that I just wrote out what I thought of myself. Takeuchi-kun had a distinct vision for the visual novel, and said that there should be more than six CG in an H-scene. If it was just a few H-scenes it would be ok, but in 「Tsukihime」 each character basically had one H-scene. In using six CG in one scene, I thought each should be on screen for a long time. The artist went through great pains drawing those pictures for us, and I did not want to throw them away immediately. But, using six CG throughout meant also having really long text. That's why Shiki's H-scenes lasted so long; it's due to the large number of CG. If there were three, it would be over right away. (laughs)

Takeuchi-kun came up with ideas for most of the H-scenes, one of his famous sayings was: "For H-scenes, the H is of course the main focus, but it is also a great way to express the cuteness of a character." I agreed with his view, so I would look at the CG he described or the draft and brainstorm what to write, and once I see the finished image I'll spend more time thinking of what to write. "Ok! I'll use this for the beginning, and use that one during the break!" That's how I approached the work.

http://tsukikan.com/misc/type-moon-staff-round-table-talk.html

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>>150843278
>Comes back to interrupt the final boss
>Is saved by grail magic before fading away

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>>150843462
>but if I'm writing scripts with a heavy emphasis on its plot, I can't create a discontinuity in the story even if it's an H-scene, and it's very hard to balance parts that's related to the story.

tsh

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>>150840643
A while back I heard they were releasing a "re-mastered" version of the 2006 F/SN anime, did anyone actually check that out?

Never watched the old series, wondering if they fixed the glaring issues with the new release.

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>>150842500
And at least he's going to pick best girl.

>>150844038
>Big fake plastic balloon boobs

eh

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>>150841883
>he doesn't want to be a supernatural merc who kills browns across all timelines

About the UBW anime. If Medea used Rule Breaker on herself, why did Atram still have the Command Spells?

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>>150844480

Don't be mean.

>>150844674
I didn't mean that personally. Just, come on. Those don't look real at all. It looks completely unnatural. Bad taste on part of the designers.

>>150842023
You listed everything wrong as something to admire. If you commit a mistake and tell your past self "hey, this is a mistake, don't do it" your past self would be smart enough to trust yourself and know that doing such an action will result in a mistake.

Shirou doesn't listen. Nevermind that he wins, but the fact remains he did not listen to the one person he really should listen to. Archer went through hell for those ideals, and Shirou thinks he's exempt from that same fate? it's stupid.

adulthood is realizing nasu can't write.

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>>150844480
Shirou does not have a problem with fakes.

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>>150844737

I'm not seeing the problem.

>>150844749
It's not about what's logically correct, it's about striving for what you think is right no matter what outcome would come of it. Regardless of whatever his future self decides was "worth it" or not, Shirou believed that saving even one person and suffering forever for it would be worth it.

>>150844769
That's a much better drawing ofc

>she has BIG TITS
>she has HUGE ASS

Maybe I'm just burnt out on porn after watching it all the time for years. I'm just so sick of this being everywhere, all the time.

>>150840785
>lawful good
Shirou is Neutral Good in every sense of the word, you retard.

>>150844877
They should give her a better armor than bikini armor

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>>150844877

Big or small, love them all.

The only people who hate Shirou are secondaries. I actually watched the Fate/stay night anime and thought Shirou was retarded until I read the VN where his train of thought was much clearer and he wasn't really retarded. Now I appreciate his justice.

>>150844918
Yea, it's just fuggin cheap. Hollow, money-grubbing sex sells nonsense

>>150844952
>SHE'S SLIM AND REALLY GOOD LOOKING AND HAS HUGE TITS

>cuteanimegirlsleeping.jpg

You see what I'm saying? It's low brow. Don't we care about anything else?

>>150840643
Because he's a fake mongrel with fake ideals.

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>>150845029

>>150845064
>I had to roll my eyes through two entire routes where Gil got btfo by a Japanese teenager with a sword

Do I have bad taste?

>>150845094
jesus cringe

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>>150845133

So left?

>>150844918
>>150844972
She's Gilgamesh in a sense. Just incorporating that shirtless look of his he's becoming known for, but of course they can't just plain have her tits out.

Fuck is up with Sakuralot, dunno there

>>150845159
The fact that "tit size" is among the predominant aspects of characterization demonstrates how meaningless our lives are, and it's depressing. I mean, if one of the top three things that were consistently emphasized about male characters was dick size, I would feel the same way. It's stupid, and demeaning.

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>>150844972

>>150845193
>She's Gilgamesh in a sense. Just incorporating that shirtless look of his he's becoming known for

That can also be said to be a cheap, money-grubbing move. Genderswapped design recycle marketing gimmick WITH HUGE TITS XDXDXD

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>>150845265

>>150845299
I mean, I guess. The entire series she's in has been just "what if Illya was cuter and less homocidal and also a magical girl?"

But it depends on how you want to see things, I guess. It's justified; you don't have to accept that justification.

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>>150845299
What did you expect from this series?

>>150845299
what do you like?

>>150845265
>SHES SLIM AND WEARS SEXY REVEALING CLOTHES AND HAS A PURPLE COLOR THEME AND
>HAS
>HUGE
>TITS
>XD

>>150845307
It's like a contamination of some sort; it just gets worse and worse. For example, notice how terrible this looks. It just looks ridiculous. There is absolutely no such thing as a pair of tits on this entire planet with that shape and size. That's why I say "baloon tits." The first noticeable thing is that it looks patently unreal. Once you get past the dick itch, it looks bad. Like a cartoon, like it belongs on /aco/

>>150845244
Tits and Dicks don't correlate really.

Tits and male shoulderwidth do though.

And breasts, whether you like it or not, are part of a person and has real social implications they have to deal with that will help mold them as individuals.
They also act as...iconic shorthand.

If a person is described as shifty you'll instantly think of a certain look, won't you?
So why are larger knockers suddenly off the table?

>>150845395
I don't really understand what you're even doing here right now.

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>>150845395
Caster has a good design for a female character

>>150845451
>slim
>wide hips
>large breasts
Do I have to keep saying it?

>>150845473
How exactly is that bad?

>>150845403
>>150845391
>So why are larger knockers suddenly off the table?

It's overdone, is what I'm saying. Endemic. To an extent that the "shifty" look can hardly even be compared to.

It's depressing because it's like we, as the collective consumer base, are simply incapable of bringing our attention to a more meaningful sexuality.

>>150845451
>knife ears

>>150845473
What's wrong with any of those things? You can't even see Caster's breasts. I was talking about the outfit compared to Rider's outfit straight out of a BDSM fetish porn movie.

>>150845518
>to a more meaningful sexuality.
Which is?

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>>150845473
What about these two?

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>>150845518

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>>150845515
He doesn't like it, therefore it's bad.

When did liking large breasts becoming a thing worthy of being shamed over?

>>150845473
This is not me.

>>150845451
It's not that a character can never be sexualized in that way, it's just that it's such an overwhelmingly dominant feature of anime that it drowns out more meaningful alternatives.

>>150845546
In the real world you have to consider what a woman is actually like, what it would really be like to be with her for a long time. You never see that in anime, or in stories at all, really. The story ends right after the relationship is established.

>>150845403
>Tits and Dicks don't correlate really.
>Tits and male shoulderwidth do though.

Good example

>>150845639
From what I understand, that dude watched so much porn that he can't stand seeing the feminine figure

>>150845639
I'm not trying to make you feel ashamed of yourself. I'm just saying it's an obsessive and creatively stifling focus in the industry, and I would like to see less of it, and a greater focus on the personality, individuality, and sexuality of characters.

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>>150845395
thoughts?

>>150845645
>In the real world
Oh, that's what you're doing.

>>150845518
>It's overdone, is what I'm saying. Endemic. To an extent that the "shifty" look can hardly even be compared to.
>It's depressing because it's like we, as the collective consumer base, are simply incapable of bringing our attention to a more meaningful sexuality.

That's fucking stupid.
Sexuality is simple as fuck
Period
We get it
Everyone has gotten it and understood what turns them on since they first realized that they dug looking at members of the apropriate sex buck naked or even semi naked but with the correct props angles and lighting.

The problem is that you simply dislike this barebone truth of reality because it makes you feel uncomfortable.

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>>150842631

>>150845674
I hope I never get to such a sad point of existence.

wait, is he being triggered because characters in chinese cartoons have large breasts?

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>muh ideas

>>150845674
Yes, but notice that you're implicitly equating the portrayal of the female body in anime to that of the real world. And it's not like that. It's a kind of illusion, like porn is a kind of illusion.

>>150845741
Why can't Rin control her urges around men?

>>150845645
>It's not that a character can never be sexualized in that way, it's just that it's such an overwhelmingly dominant feature of anime that it drowns out more meaningful alternatives.

Ah, I get it.
More thighs,
More ass,
More short stacks
More petite women
More thick women
More body types
More sexual proclivities
Rider being a soft yet slightly athletic painslut, something like that.

If this is where you're going I am with you brother. I am fucking with you.
If not then I do not know what the fuck you are talking about.

>>150845808
*around Shirou

FTFY

>>150845717
Guess how I know you use porn frequently

>>150845812
Lol, you have the completely wrong idea. I definitely don't want MORE "sexual archetypes." That is to say, one large prison is not necessarily worse than many, smaller ones.

Actually, the many small prisons is worse, because then nobody will be able to recognize that they are in a prison.

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>>150845793
It's fantasy and not supposed to reflect reality, anon

>>150845712
Tamer, better. Brings your attention to the character more, and not just the >muh dick mentality

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>>150845986
Are you saying that you don't want to know what this character is all about?

>>150840643
He is one the most retarded MC. His character about ideals and etc. actually not bad, but he is so fucking stupid.

>>150845975
My essential argument is that the nature of our fantasies indicates how our real lives suck and are not enjoyable. So you are actually not in disagreement with me, here.

>>150846033
Man, is this official? Was Raita the designer for this Servant?

>>150846033
>this is officially licensed fate

ugh

>>150846051
>how our real lives suck and are not enjoyable

Speak for yourself, anon. Life is all in your perspective.

>>150846050
Name ONE (1) stupid decision Shirou made that was not in some way influenced by his character-defining ideals.

Fucking secondaries.

>>150846033
Kill me please

>>150846119
This, he is like a pokemon with his 'champion of justice', 'i have to do what's right', 'this is what kiritsugu wanted', etc

>>150845912
I see.
Female characters with no overt sexuality whatsoever.
Gottcha.

>>150846119
Dropping his ideals in HF.

>>150846033
This is an excellent demonstration of my argument. We need to have the wherewithal to discourage this kind of blatantly dehumanizing perversion of the female (AND male) form and characterization. This is porn. Porn is too pervasive in our cultures, and it's not good for society. It's not healthy.

I mean, of course, you can also take that kind of mentality too far, as the marxistculti left is currently demonstrating in the west. But that doesn't mean this is good.

>>150846119
Anything in Heaven's Feel

>>150846111
Many of our trials and tribulations in life are self created, sure. However, when you objectively assess the quality of life for average citizens, even in the first world, I think we can conclude that, for most people, life in our civilization is not very high quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbS9jZOlQjc

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>>150845567
Both got BLACKED.

>>150846119
As if this somehow become a good thing for him. Seriously, if the character acts like an idiot but with some basis for it then he isn't become less idiotic and stupid.

>>150846192
You are implying that the only way to express sexual identity is through a handful of fetishistic physiological traits and personality archetypes

What about two unique and interesting individuals who come to love, appreciate, and respect one another in a given set of interesting circumstances? You see what I'm saying? You see the difference there? It's like "romance vs porn," for example. There's too much porn everywhere. It's like we don't even recognize it. We think it's the only way things can exist, and that the alternative is nothing. That is the pornographic mentality. Brainwashing, almost.

>>150846324
I think you are right, a feminist is someone who thinks people should be equal regardless of their gender. While the majority of things are equal there are things that are not equal.
It's the people who take it to the extreme that make feminists look bad. I mean honestly who cares what some woman in a video game is dressed like.

>>150846320
Those decisions do not happen due to a lack of intellegence though, they are a consequence of him being himself. By definition, they're not "stupid".

>>150841456
Both of these make sense in context.

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>>150846203

>>150846341
See
>>150846203

>who cares what some woman in a video game is dressed like.

You're moving the goalposts here, I believe. Or something. You're arguing that, while it may be destructive in nature, the context makes it trivial. This is a different argument than whether or not it is destructive in nature.

It's not just videogames. A generally pornographic lens is characteristic of the anime industry as a whole. Posters here should know that. In Japan, additionally, anime as a medium in entirety is generally looked down on because of this, if not for several other reasons as well.

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>>150846359
Yeah, I believe "people die when they are killed" was some sort of traditional saying in Japan or something like that, right?

>it's a feminist complaining about anime girls episode

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>>150846422
>if not for several other reasons as well.

Who has the more gay relationship with Saber, Iri or Rin barring that Fate Scene? I think Rin wins, because of Sunny Days.

>>150846324
I see.
You want all women to display no overt sexuality what so ever.
Gottcha.

I think you should stick to word porn, and romance with fully covered women and men.

This kind of thing isn't for you.

>>150846423
in episode 23 of the Fate anime, Shirou says something that got fansubbed back in '06 as "People die when they are killed... that's the way it should be." We got what he meant, but the first half sounded so hilariously dumb it became a meme. That meme grew into a whole "Shirou states the obvious" thing.

But in fact, Shirou was being witty (in a Shirou kind of way). The line isn't just logical in context, it's also a reference to this Japanese cliche about people who are so tough they "wouldn't die even if you killed them". Turns out that line can be found in lots of anime. So this thread is for examples of it.

It's a Japanese expression. You know how there are people who seem so vigorous that it's unthinkable they would ever die? In Japan they have an expression for it: people that won't die even when they're killed. That's why it's such a common and popular phrase among Japanese writers.

Shirou's use of the line was actually meant to be a clever way of turning the expression upside down, but the end result was something so blatantly obvious, so completely silly, it became unintentionally hilarious.

>>150846422
Because people either miss the point or like the idea of a militant cause... It's also full of tumblr-ish 'special snowflakes' who think everyone should be respected or that every woman is beautiful and amazing. That just isn't true and never will be. Some people are ugly or stupid and the unlucky people among us our both. That's just a fact of life for men and women and all the people inbetween

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>>150846427
Hot damn what a cutie.

>>150846388
While this is still of course pornographic, I actually do prefer this style. It is a little more realistic, and tasteful, imo. Although, I would just get rid of the censoring. If you're going to draw naked women, just show vag cracks, some pubes, and nipples. If you're going to show literally everything else in a sexual light, why not just "demystify" the vag cracks and nipples while you're at it...

maintaining the female form as a "huge secret" of some form is part of what fucks people up psychologically. Look at how sexually screwed up the Muslims are, for example.

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>>150846507
UGUU!

>>150846341
>a feminist is someone who thinks people should be equal regardless of their gender.
No, that's normal people.
Feminism has never at any point been about equality between genders and I dare you to find a single instance where that has ever been the case.

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>>150846541
UMU

Feminists should just all die.

>>150846551
egalitarian is a great word, and I am a feminist and also believe in an egalitarian society. The reason we use the word feminist is two folds.
First, it recognizes the fact that women still faces a disproportionate amount of obstacles within society on all fronts. Using gender neutral words like egalitarianism hides this fact.
Second, the word feminism connects the current movement to the movements and intellectual thoughts of the past. It connects us to the suffrage movement, sexual liberation, etc. It reminds us that great steps have been made and the current movement is a continuation of those steps.

>>150846447
I'm not japanese, but surely the pornographic nature of anime contributes to its generally negative perception in Jap society at large. But in addition to that factor, there may also be other reasons that contribute to that public perception, which I'm not aware of.

>>150846563
Shut up whore of Babylon.

>>150844489
>>muh dream

>>150846497
"They say that some people don't die when they are killed. That's wrong. We all do."

And people wonder why anime and japanese media began to shit the bed with dry literal translation.
The obvious desperate attempt to prove that their english degrees mean something and to protect the virtue of the english language just fucked it all up.

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>>150846578
They should let their ideals drag them to their death or drown in them.

>>150846503
>It's also full of tumblr-ish 'special snowflakes' who think everyone should be respected or that every woman is beautiful and amazing.

Lol, that just demonstrates how psychologically dependent they / we are on the concept of beauty. Instead of identifying it's destructive effects in society, and looking for solutions, they victimize themselves and blame others / society for their self image, and try to reprogram into their minds the exact same thing they initially identified as destructive, but with them on the positive side this time.

It's a valid concept to an extent, but only to an extent. Ideally, all women would feel loved and beautiful. But we are a long way from a world where such things are possible. First we need to stop destroying Earth's ecosystems while 50% of the human population lives in extreme poverty, for example.

>>150846350
His decisions about saving everyone are not idiotic, but his actions are definetely. He is not thinking about what he is doing, he just jumps into a fire each time. And not to mention all other bullshit that are coming from his speaches.

>>150845106
No. It's retarded how hyped he was supposed to be and he jobs so hard

>>150846495
That tone isn't necessary. It's not necessary to be offended by my opinions. You should ask yourself why you are.

>You want all women to display no overt sexuality what so ever.
No. It just needs to be more reality based, and not as superficial as it is.

>you should stick to word porn, and romance with fully covered women and men.
Female romance novels, literotica, and the like are just porn for women. They're not really all that much better than what men are into.

>>150846581
Feminism had nothing to do with the suffrage movement.
The actual movement itself was pushed by men in power who wanted to give women to vote because it meant more workers and easily swayed demo that would vote for them

Even then the entire thing was going to completely fail because women were TERRIFIED that they would be drafted to go to war like men had to be.

Even fucking now feminists have women on capital hill constantly keeping an eye out for anyone who would even consider making women part of selective service.

Next, the sexual liberation movement did a lot more harm then good. It really did.

Lastly, the feminist movement is a massive congame ran by scumbags, confidence women, rapists and women and men looking for money, and government and business interests looking for an easily manipulated group of buffoons.
This has been the case for well over a half fucking century now.

And I reiterate. People who want equality between the genders are called normal people. What that equality means is oft manipulated by those who need inequality in some form to remain relevant and empowered.

>>150846753
There's a great quote by Rebecca West:
"I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."
I think people are sympathetic to that idea of feminism. When we look around today, though, there are a lot of people who would say that women are no longer are treated like doormats. Of course, people were saying that in Ms. West's day, too. And that's really the point, feminism has never had a good reputation. It has always been part of a counter movement, and that's stayed true even as culture has accepted feminist ideals. That's not to say there isn't internal strife within feminism, or that its message branding is particularly good, but fundamentally it's a movement whose purpose is to change the status quo, and that's really never going to lend itself to a good reputation.

>>150846091
yes and yes

>>150846753
They're pushing MGTOW now. There's money behind that, as well, mark my words. You'll start seeing more of it.

MGTOW has the same essential fount as feminism. It's just more political identity bs to keep the goyim fighting with each other over trivial things while TPTB erode our quality of living and our ability to defend ourselves against elitist interests in society.

>>150846208
>>150846196
That's not canon though. Wormslut always loses

>>150844038
If he's going to do a doll instead of a human he might as well go for Sakura.

>>150846583
Not really. Anime was okay until the fucked up otaku started killing kids and was able to find anime as their hobbies.

>>150846895
Don't take emiya fucking femgil away from me

>>150846895
>Doll
>Sakura
Sakura is not Kohaku.

>>150846919
What's this Saber's name?

>>150847018
Venus

>>150844038
>fucking a doll

>>150840643
>Why do people hate Emiya?

From what I saw being on /a/ since the anime first aired....

/a/ saw that Emiya couldn't fight for shit so they shat on him and compared him to Archer without even knowing Archer is Emiya's future self. Tho it was unreasonable to compare him to a servant in the first place but that's what /a/ did. It just sort of stuck and everyone continues to hate him even after finding out he is Archer.

/a/ just hated Emiya because someone started the bandwagon.

>>150847146
Your English needs some work matie

>>150847146
Only secondaries hate Emiya though, and that's understable

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>>150845473
Shes slender,tall and somewhat flat by anime standards anon. What the fuck

>>150846538
>Look at how sexually screwed up the Muslims are, for example.

?

>>150847207
trolling

>>150846656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4s4pZNMq3Q

>>150847035
To be fair at the end of HF he is a doll.

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>>150847229
Have you even seen official art desu

>>150847294
Pretty plain looking

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>>150847146

>>150846998
It should be obvious I was talking about F/KL there.

>>150847294
No, I mean the post you are replying to was trolling

>>150847339
That Sakura is utter shit.

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>>150846203

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>>150847294
What the fuck is up with Medea's fashion sense.

What kind of middle-aged woman goes around wearing a jean jacket?

>>150846581
>Second, the word feminism connects the current movement to the movements and intellectual thoughts of the past

So you are piggy backing on legitimate political movements for your own self righteous cause. Have fun being delusional if this isn't bait to begin with.

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>>150847458
You haven't seen shit.

>>150844489
Why the fuck archer though it would be a good idea to use his abilities on normal terrorists?

>>150847359
All slutkarus are shit

>>150847610
What would he do then? Talk sense into them? He's a fucking counter guardian. That's his job.

>>150847580
The vocal minority known as "radical" feminists give the movement such a reputation. They've forgotten the values of feminists who fought for things such as votes for women.

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>>150847652
Pretty sure he was killing terrorists before becoming a counter-guardian

>>150847675
Exactly, the anime just made it seem like it was after he became a guardian

>>150847667
kek this looks like it was made on Gimp

>>150847610
Actually, it's the World the one who thinks Archer is better off killing ISIS members instead of putting his NP arsenal to good use.
With his versatility he could be handling all kinds of bizarre threats, but no, just send him to snipe the Hitlers and Bin Ladens that history forgot with a fucking bow and arrow.
No wonder he's so butthurt.

>>150847675
Source? I only read about his nuclear reactor shenanigans in Extra.

>>150842874
I don't think so, i think someone like Shirou could work on a western setting/work

>>150840643
Because he's the blank everyharem protagonist that isn't half the character his father was, he wasn't even half the character he will be.

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>>150847714
They were an indie group and had to start somewhere

>>150847714
This was an indie group in the 90's anon. What did you expect?

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>>150847856
>that isn't half the character his father was, he wasn't even half the character he will be

You sure?

>>150843381
>lol chaotic means randumb
Go away.

>>150847856
>isn't half the character his father was
Yeah, he isn't half as childish as his father, he isn't half as edgy as he was, and he isn't even half the loser Kerry was.
Seriously, at 17 years old Shirou has done more for the world than what Kerry could accomplish in lifetimes, with minimal casualties.
Not to mention he even found some answers to the issues with Kerry's fucked up ideals.

>>150846919
>Saber Venus
>Nero with a different outfit but using Atilla's Sword of Mars

Alternatively, when do we get Saber Moon, Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter

>>150848095
You can't accuse someone of being "edgy" and "a loser" in the same breath desu

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>>150842631

Guys, sorry to interrupt but i did something, i cleaned and enhanced the Prisma illya emiya theme, it sounds really cool may i get your feedback? use headphones or speakers check it out please?

This is the one you know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRdixLq38o

This is mine.
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Please i would love the feedback you can give, maybe i can even improve it more, thank you.

>>150848182
>>>/mu/

>>150848131
All edgelords are losers

>>150848131
Kerry was a edgelord and a loser, even shirou borrowed ideals were better

>>150848212
That's an edgy thing to say. Because obviously in anime they are not portrayed as losers.

>>150848200
Sorry, i saw this thread so since its a fate theme i thought it was suitable, also the fast responses, next time i will post on /mu/.

>>150845395
I take it you haven't chanced to see Eiken'a designs.
Pro tip: Don't. You will lose all faith in humanity.

>>150848247
>loses the war to Kirei
>loses his will to fight
>loses his waifu(s)
>loses his wish
>loses his ideals
>loses Angry Manjew's boat challenge
>loses a crapton of people and resources for nothing
>loses the Einzbern family's trust
>loses the ability to see his daughter
>apparently loses his magic knowledge, because look at how retarded and life threatening is the training routine he taught Shirou
>loses his health and later his life to AM's curse
>loses his shit and goes full BOKU WA like a total faggot

>totally not portrayed as a loser

>>150848385
So he's not really all that edgy then

>>150848409
Being a loser and being edgy are not mutually exclusive. What do you even think being edgy means?

>>150846583
The isolationatism/hikikomori effect it causes is one huge factor, I'd say. The "creepy otaku" stereotype, even when not fapping to cartoon porn, is locked up in his room being fed by mommy, not contributing anything to society. HikkiNEETs, as we refer to them over here.

>>150848385
He passed Angra Mainyu's challenge by refusing to wish and did technically end the war on a draw by destroying the grail. And Shirou's training regime was self taught like the retard he was because he insisted on using magic even though Kerry refused to teach him.

>>150848385
>Kiritsugu becomes a Counter Guardian
>He's chill with it, mature man about his choices

>Shirou becomes a Counter Guardian
>CRAWLIN' IN MY SKIN

>>150846753
>suffrage was pushed by men in power
[Citation needed], because men in power pushed the Cat and Mouse Act as well.

>>150848182
What the hell did you monitor that shit with? have you lost your hearing for 16KHz+ frequencies? Those highs are fucking murder bro.
Also, al lot of the details of the underlying string and synth arrangements have faded into the mix, probably because you messed around with the mid to low end of the spectrum too.

>>150846919
Goddamnit Extella come out already. I need this in my life.

>>150848626
what headphones or speakers are you using?

>>150848617
Shirou is not the same person as Archer, and Assassin EMIYA is fucking shit like 99% of what Grand Order has produced.

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>>150842657
HF Shirou is better than UBW Shirou though. In HF he has Archer's knowledge to pull from, but it's still himself utilizing it. In UBW he has Rin supplying his power.

>>150848669
AKG k240 mkii headphones and Adam A7X monitors.

>>150846895
but Sakura is dead.

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>>150840785
Let me guess, your alignment of choice is 'chaotic neutral' because it fits your 'unpredictable' personality?

>>150847458
I'M ONLY AS OLD AS I FEEL, OKAY?!

>>150848716
>but Sakura is dead.
Only in like 38 out of 40 different timelines.

>>150848729
Yes because I'm random. Rawr

>>150848683
MiyuShirou has EMIYA's knowledge from the Install, and the power of a Grail(Miyu) powering him for a lot of it. And then later of course, he becomes proficient enough on his own, having taken a large step towards EMIYA through that battle.

I'd say closer to UBW because Installing is a much more effective way than getting bits and pieces from directly interacting with the Heroic Spirit by fighting with and against them, and having a better mana battery.

>>150848704
Oh thats the problem then, you are using monitor headphones, this is not for you, this is mostly aimed at headphones which normal people use, of course it will sound bad on a flat response headphone which the common user has nor does not care about having access to.


Tho, i have tried with 3 different headphones and all sounded good.

Get cheaper headphones to enjoy the quality, the track is by default bad, having clipping all around.

>>150847714
>He hasn't read Tsukihime
What are you waiting here for? Chop chop.

>>150848716
I'm not sure if you're trolling me or you simply don't pay attention when you read manga.
>>150848729
Chaotic Evil

>>150848670
>it's a "Grand Order is dumb shit" post

>>150848617
>Kiritsugu becomes a Counter Guardian
STOP REMINDING ME THIS IS A THING. FUCK.

>>150848812
>it's an "I need to justify my weak will and dumb spending habits" post

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>>150848810
>Chaotic Evil
Nobody is this edgy here, not even ironically
The best I can imagine is smug lawful evil
Chaotic evil is meme tier

>>150848810
new chapter? The last one I read was the one where Angelica is revealed to be Julian's sister

>>150848810
I actually respect people who play CE more than CN, because at least they're honest about just wanting to fuck shit up.
But you're still a douchecanoe.

>>150848870
You're about 3 or 4 chapters behind.

>>150848852
>spending a cent on the game
I didn't. I got two 5*s, one being the reason I actually tried the game for. What's your excuse?

>>150848907
>What's your excuse?
Mobage are cancer. Why would I waste time on them?

>>150848918
Right, anyway, this isn't exactly the topic.
Most of these servants are nothing but an eventuality, so if it wasn't a mobage, maybe it would've been Extella, or whatever RPG-ish game they come up with next.

It doesn't matter what you think, really.

>>150841803
Because he can be a dick, but he is still good inside
He is the Vergil of Fate

>>150848812
Grand Order isn't dumb.
It is downright, unmitigatedly, unabashedly fucking retarded shit that takes a giant steaming crap over any value the franchise may have had in order to sell good and sell NOW. And you faggots are proving them right by buying it, lining up in an orderly row to hand Nasu your money for a chance to have him piss all over your face and thank him for it.
>Servant Kiritsugu
and that isn't even the worst of the lot.

>>150848788
>Get cheaper headphones to enjoy the quality
My sides are in orbit right now.

Doesn't sound much better on my HD202s, though, and those aren't flat or expensive at all.
Maybe try doing the same changes but being more subtle with your EQ levels.

>>150848870
There's 2 new chapters but they don't tell us anything new about Sakura.
Yes, Sakura is dead, as it was revealed in the flashback, but she came back as a doll during the battle at the Ainsworth Castle. Dolls are made out of dead people, the flashback already taught us that. Angelica is also a doll, just like Sakura. And I'm saying Shirou seems to like Sakura more so far. That could change though, given how Angelica is part of his group now.

>>150849017
Strange Fake isn't dumb.
It is downright, unmitigatedly, unabashedly fucking retarded shit that takes a giant steaming crap over any value the franchise may have had in order to sell good and sell NOW. And you faggots are proving them right by buying it, lining up in an orderly row to hand Narita your money for a chance to have him piss all over your face and thank him for it.
>Archer Hercules
and that isn't even the worst of the lot.

>>150848857
Hey, don't knock CE. It can make for a great character as long as it isn't played by an edgy 18-year-old little shit and the DM reins it in appropriately. I was until recently in a campaign that lasted well over a year adventuring with a CE Barbarian. Dude was a bit of an early Conan expy, strong but also quite cunning and a firm believer in "Might makes Right" (except of course he realised a company of city guards make for a lot more Might than himself alone).

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It's almost sad to me how I went from loving everything TM put out to just losing all interest in them. Starting with the Zero anime everything has just gotten progressively worse, with Grand Order, Strange Fake, Apocryphora being the final nails in the coffin. At least Prisma is still good, albeit with a completely different focus at this point.

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>>150849051
>(You)

>>150848385
Kerry was a good guy, and ended up getting fucked up even though he planned thoroughly to win the war, it's not surprising he lost himself after that.
Shirou just screams mamoru louder every time and beats everything that comes his way.

>>150849181
>Kerry was a good guy
Kerry was a glorified serial killer.

Kerry is all style and no results, Shirou is messy but gets shit done. And he is actually a good guy unlike his father.

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>>150849210
>glorified serial killer
now you're just having a giggle
>messy but "gets shit done"
easy to get shit done when backed up by the thickest plot armor.

>>150846033
It's funny because this character is one of the few female servants that gets more clothing as she gets stronger.

>>150849263
but anon, kerry is THE murder hobo. literally his occupation.

>>150849263
Kerry realizing he's little more than a killer is a major plot point in Zero, It's also discussed in Extra with Mumei.
Preventing life threatening events by killing a few dangerous individuals is not the same as actually saving people. The first time Kerry truly saves someone is when he rescues Shirou from the fire, and that's why he's saved in return.
Kerry's approach kills the threat, and the people aren't put in danger in the first place. Shirou actually protects them in the face of danger, which makes him a true hero.

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>>150847458
>immortal spirit
>middle aged
okay anon

>>150849383
Apparent age and actual age, learn the difference.

>>150849329
You do not understand the term "murder hobo". Just stop.

A brief primer: D&D Player Characters (PC's), are frequently adventurers with no home to come back to. Hence, "hobos". They also (at least badly played ones) frequently use murder as their first,second and last resort. Hence, "murder hobos". Kiritsugu was neither homeless nor did he use murder when he could avoid it (see Maya, for example). He is nothing like a murder hobo.

>>150849441
He is a murderer, tho

>>150849395
WHAT PART OF "AS OLD AS I FEEL" DID YOU NOT GET? I'M STILL A YOUNG MAIDEN, DAMN IT!

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>>150849210
>Shirou gets shit done
>Most of the endings are bad ones

In Nasuverse only characters who actually got shit done were Touko,Shiki,Souren and maybe Kirei with Cu/Gil.

Everyone else just serve as floormats or fuck around

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>>150849395
>Implying Witch capable of making immortality potions doesnt have eternal youth

>>150849480
>Most of the endings are bad ones
And they are the result of you trying to play as yourself instead of playing like Shirou.
Emiya Shirou wouldn't make the choices that lead to those ends in the first place. Things like running away from Berserker instead of saving Saber, or giving up and letting Gil drag him into the black hole, are simply out of character.

>>150849572
It certainly doesn't look like that.

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>>150849126
still waiting for part ii

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>>150840785
>>150841270
What alignment would Lelouch have? Lawful chaotic something?

>>150849371
It makes him a typical shounen protagonist in the end, which contradicts the very meaning of his character to begin with.

He should never have stood a chance against any servant with the single exception of Archer. Anything aside from that one fight is plot armor and shounen silliness. There's no justifying it while maintaining that Shirou is a deconstruction of typical protagonist archetypes

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>>150849681
Good luck with that.

>>150849587
>second guess the authors intentions, the VN

What fun kek

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>>150849604
Arent you a cheesy wanker

>>150849766
>He should never have stood a chance against any servant with the single exception of Archer
You mean Gil, right? Archer was raping him until the very end when he just gave up.

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>>150849587
>Stupid shit Shirou has done
VN routes are different timelines meaning Shirou as a whole is guilty of those choices.

Youre talking about a specific Shirou from specific route

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>>150849766
>He should never stood a chance...
And that shows given he dies often

>>150849769
>>150849126
>everything moefied
>retarded spinoffs
>Tsukihime v2 looks retarded
>SEIBAH overload

Fuck Type-Moon.

>>150849855
After they're using K&B for a while,
>Archer gets bored and traces kaladbolg, then durandal, Shirou gets both of his shattered in one blow, immediately switches back to K&B while Archer still has Durandal
>Archer smacks down on Shirou until Kanshou shatters and all he has is a cracked Bakuya

At the very end, Archer was wielding Durandal and Shirou was wielding Bakuya.

>>150849919
You absolutely know he's going to be fine though, because no "super serious life threatening situation" that he's in ever in has believable consequences. He dies, you replay, and by some dumb fluke he lives when you pick the right choice. Every time.

>>150849994
He still canonically dies a bunch meaning that Shirou isnt going to make it most of the time.

Sure I can replay that but he still died canonically at that point.

>>150849994
Why are you mad about the hero being lucky?

>>150850029
If you, as the player, can make pretty much no decisions with any consequence in the story (except for forcing you to replay to pick the "correct" options), why is it a VN in the first place? It should just be a LN

>>150849994
he beats a grand total of 1 servant thanks to having archers arm grafted onto him in the final route

all those other "victories" are him surviving until someone else shows up to save his ass

>>150850056
>just turn your brain off bro!

>>150850095
Because after Tsukihime was successful they wanted to make another game. Using the same format but bigger, better and more memorable. They did make a kinetic novel after FHA.

>>150850095
Because the distribution platform is electronic and its an eroge. Its harder to put good porn scenes to an LN

>>150850106
>fights rider one on one and lives
>fights Lancer one on one and lives
>fights Hercules and lives
>beats Gil twice
>kills archer

Off the top of my head kek. The only good Shirou vs servant fight was the first, where Lancer stabbed him through the heart and he fucking dies. You can only have him "saved by miraculous luck, chance, and coincidence" so many times...

>>150848591
Kiritsugu actually teached him

>>150850175
MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS WOO

>>150850175
>kills Archer

Are you retarded?

If you are complaining about this you might as well complain about Kiritsugu managing to see fucking servant Assassin in F/Z and escape from being murder killed by Diarmuid when he had the chance.

>>150850109
>why is the center piece of the plot not just going away?

>>150850303
What? I didn't say "beat." I said "lives," explicitly. Turn off your caps lock and quit making this game up in your mind.

>>150849765
Ask /tg/ to stat him.
Alignmentwise, I'd put him at TN, leaning to CN.

>>150850175
>fights rider one on one and lives

There is a bad ending where she kills you

>>150850373
I am not. Kiritsugu never got in hand to hand combat with multiple, successive servants and walked away from it "pretty much fine, able to fight another servant again in a few days."

It's just shitty writing guys, come on. There's better ways to convey Shirou character than a constant stream of nuclear bunker tier plot armor

>>150850484
>why isn't my battle harem porn game a well written masterpiece!

>>150850095
Because it's still a novel. Not an RPG. VN's are just CYOA books with graphics.

>>150850470
And then you reload, pick another random choice, and, surprise, surprise, the old Japanese teenager is "super badly hurt (but not really), and he makes it through another """""impossible""""" situation"

>>150850528
>yea it's shit but you should have expected that despite /a/ telling you it was fantastic

>>150850553
Who said it was fantastic?

>>150850378
>you just don't get it! The plot required the author to write badly!

>>150850530
There are some adventure game elements like the status screen, glossary, etc

>>150850584
/a/. The 5 anons ITT who are rustled that I'm trolling them about their favorite ginger nip teenage harem protag superho

>>150850586
>This game is describing the growth of the main character Emiya Shirou. The first storyline shows his slanted mind, the next storyline shows his resolve, and the last storyline gives another resolution for him as a human. All three storylines are essentially equal, but they have different forms.

http://tsukikan.com/misc/fate-stay-night-for-ps2.html

http://tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-takeuchi-takashi-urobuchi-gen-special-forum.html

>>150844038
>>150844952
I wonder which personality is closer to the real one with her.
>male virgin killer
Bazett was better in this chapter but damn.

>>150850175
see this is why I can't stand all the bullshit about "hurr durr no one should be able to beat Servants"

not only is that line ridiculous in a setting where most Servants are midtier and the mages routinely fight stronger things it also
shows that nobody whose arguing actually read the damn thing

so lets give this another shot:
THE ONLY HUMAN IN THE CANON OF FATE STAY NIGHT WHO ACTUALLY DEFEATS A REAL SERVANT IS KUZUKI SOUICHIROU WHEN HE KILLS THE MANA DEPRIVED RIDER

that's it

that's the only time a human (using age of the gods enchantment) beats a servant in a fight

Shirou loses against Lancer
He loses against Rider
He loses against Gilgamesh
He convinces Archer to spare him

And the only time he could legitimately claim victory (against an opponent that was deliberately trying to kill himself ) he had half his body replaced by a Servants

other characters don't win against servants without similar power-ups, Kotomine has grail mud making him immune to Assassin's NP, Rin doesn't actually manage to beat Caster even though she fights better and Bazett using all her tricks only beats illusions inside a timeloop

for all the ink that has been spilled arguing about humans beating Servants it never actually fucking happens

>>150850631
Yea, yea. I know. It still could have been done in better ways that were less awful to read.

>>150850660
>It still could have been done in better ways

How?

>>150850658
>midtier

What kind of headcanon is this? Servants where hyped to heaven and back in the VN.

>literally yelling

Fucking kek m8

>>150840643
He is a goddamn Humanist, and humanists try to to destroy our society.
(Serialkiller-pedophilkiller-... are poor human too,...)

>>150850658
>He convinces Archer to spare him
Consider what would've happened otherwise

Shirou is not a moralfag. He makes a point of this. A moralfag would not think that his "morality" is selfish, they would be self-righteous which Shirou is not. He is well aware that he does it simply because he wants to.

>>150850704
Make Shirou decisions more believable, more reasonable, so that his ass doesn't have to be saved every other page by a shitty DEM. Make the dialogue less fucking autistic and redundant. Axe the horrible have scenes.

>>150850608
he's a very well written character, but you need to have a vast knowledge of really deep political and philosophical concepts, like utilitarianism. most of /a/ wouldn't understand

>>150850788
topkekm8.jpg desu

>>150850782
*h scenes

>>150850782
>Make the dialogue less fucking autistic and redundant.

They fixed this in the adaptions. Turns out FSN is paced a lot better when you trim some of it.

>>150850706
Servants were always the powered down remnants of actual Heroic Spirits who are weaker than gods and nature spirits who are weaker than TYPES and True Magic users, try to read something about the thing you're arguing about

the only Servants who are a big deal are age of the gods ones and the stronger Dead Apostle ancestors are still more powerful than they are