Shingeki no Kyojin

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I love this little angel.

>>150827081
Reiner is a sweet angel and I want to hug him for the rest of his days while tracing lines with my fingers over his ripped as fuck body.

>>150827081
Source?

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I hope its a quick death for enemy of humanity.

When will Annie put on a noose?

>>150827081

Well, once the true enemy shows it's face both Elodians and whatever the others are called will join forces to defeat it.

It is painfully obvious that the "true enemy" is the one that gave Ymir the titan power to begin with.

>>150827602
Hopefully never. I hope she convinces Eren to go back to Marley with her, somehow.

>>150827669
I think Eren will make a deal with her and will ask her to guide him to the Marley country.

>>150827081
>We truly are the Shingeki of the Kyojin

>>150827602
But Reiner fights for humanity. The true enemies of humanity are the devilspawn within the walls.

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>>150827755
Theyre mostly normal humans anon. Reiner can go fuck himself with a crystal pole.

>>150827669
Never going to happen. Eren will have his way with her if she ever gets out of the shell. That or the corps will make her comfortable

>>150827725
>EMA no longer a trio, we finally get characterization outside of satellitekasa and barfmin
>EA adventures as they struggle to adopt a Marleyan lifestyle while taking down the system
It'll never happen, though.

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Endgame right here, brothers.

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>>150827868
>mostly normal humans
They are a race of demons and humanity's greatest enemy. I can't wait for the day they are finally exterminated.

>>150827897
EA is not going to happen but two of them going together to the Marley country is possible.

>>150827986
*the two of them

Is there a better written shonen manga than Attack on Titan ?

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I want an Ackerman of my very own.

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I feel like I should start posting this every day again.

>>150828041
Haven't you read HxH?

>>150827081
He's going to turn back into a soldier when it matters and betray Zeke. And it's going to be fucking awesome.

>>150828063
Every Ackerdog failed to protect their lord.

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>>150828066
I don't know why you even stopped.

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BRA a cute.

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"RAAAWWWR!"

>>150828143
I blamed myself for copying Mrs Smith and making her use the trip.

>>150828090
>>150827986
RA helping Bert's murderers in any way no matter how small would be a huge insult

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Everything will be alright as long as they have each other.

>>150828193
FUCK YOU

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>>150828222
That's mean anon.

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>>150827986
EA doesn't need to happen to "happen", just more interaction is what I want from them, not hard romance. This series isn't the thing for that and Eren's too focused to bother with it anyway.

>Annie takes him to the ghetto as a detour
>her face when it's all gone after five years

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>>150828103
It doesn't matter, Ackerdogs try their hardest even if they aren't that bright.

>>150828090
That would be retarded.

>>150828214
This.

>>150828214
Soldier Reiner isn't part of BRA, he's an unknown.

>>150828072
HxH is a non-sensical mess storywise, it has no focus and half of the main characters are absent for half of the "story".

>>150828143
That Erwin is gorgeous.

So Titan shifters are just Marleys soldiers and thats why they want to destroy the walls?

Lame desu.

>>150828262
>That would be retarded.
Why

>>150828266
Reiner is Reiner.

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>>150828357
Sometimes, the stupidity on display here stuns me.

>>150828345
Because it follows the same idiot logic that people were using to say Reiner would turn into a soldier and kill Bert during the last arc.

>>150828291
This is the prize for a good, amazing story and Kurapika is my favorite you know.

>>150828432
>It's valid
>It's possible
>It's in canon
>It didn't happen therefore it's idiot logic
Retard.

>>150827986
>Annie going againt Marley
not gonna happen.

>Eren not ripping annie to shreds
unlikely.

>>150828254
Annie will be tortured,killed and burried when she gets out of her little cascet.

EA will never be a thing. AoT doesnt need romance at this point

EH is canon.

>>150827081
He'll kill Mikasa.

>>150828432
>every arc people expect Reiner to go soldier mode, every arc people expect Eren to use the coordinate, every arc people expect the wall titans to come out, every arc people expect Eren to be captured and brought to the titan village.
>literally never happens

when will /snk/ learn ?

Grisha left maps in his diary and Eren has all he needs in his head with Eren and Grisha's memories

>>150828090
It wouldn't be the ideal outcome, but I wouldn't hate it.

>>150828529
I didn't say she will go against Marley. Learn how to read. She will guide Eren and she will also return to her hometown.

>>150827602
>enemy of humanity.
Eren is dying slowly.

>>150828255
>Tris their hardest
>Doesn't break his legs and lets him die
At least Mikasa would've done everything in her power to let Eren live.

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Reiner joining the Scouts would honestly be the most retarded thing possible.

>>150828753
She can't cure Eren's shifter AIDS

>>150828764
That's never going to happen. I'll take the Soldier betraying Zeke over that.

>>150828659
Never.

>>150828090
Then Zeke rightfully kills him.

>>150828808
And finally, that son of a bitch will stay dead. Fucking awesome.

>>150828793
I'd prefer he kill AM desu.

>>150828787
She can milk him dry and bear his children.

>>150828837
I just want AM to drop dead.

>>150828837
AM dying would improve this manga.

>>150828712
Are you implying Eren wouldnt kick the living fuck out of Marleys?

>>150828825
Never.

>>150828764
Jean is honestly so fucking stupid.

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>>150828924
Jean a goober

Has any of the interviews said anything about anime filler or expansion?

>>150828764
God I fucking love Hanji.

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>>150828984

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Reminder that potato girl is a shifter

>>150829100
WHAT'S UP LADIES, JEAN HERE.
JUST HEFTING HEAVY LOADS BREH

>>150829033
There was an interview a while back where Isayama said that he wanted to include some Historia filler of her drooling and doing other imperfect things because he thought she came off as too perfect.

>>150828924
At least he still has his humanity. Unlike EMA.

>>150829100
I should have blended the neck seam better and pitched the skin tone.

>>150828764
The more you sperg out about Reiner, you got to admit he's one brave motherfucker.

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>>150829175
Pic related
>>150829179
We've all got out regrets anon

>>150829239
Yeah. I hate the guy, but he's determined like whoa.

>>150829140
>>150829033
Huh, that interesting. I wonder if that means we will get some foreshadowing that her persona isint real.

>>150828764
Same as Annie. No matter what they'll always give the middle finger to the SL. And even more now.

>>150829140
cute

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>Im sharing a thread with Annie and Bertfags

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>>150829317
MEATY MEAT

>>150828924
Jean is fucking annoying. I hate how Isayama forces his morals.

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hmmmm

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>>150829363
No watermark

>>150829317
Ignore them and just post Reiner. He is actually interesting, BA are fucking boring and pathetic.

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>>150829179

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>>150829349
He's like a normal person transported into snk.

>>150829392
Thanks anon. I really need to get my suite up and running again.

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>>150829239
I love Reiner though. Nothing brings me greater joy than the anal devastation he causes every time he cheats death.

>>150829435
>Suck it up, FK's dick sucking retards
Glorious.

>>150829435
>tfw that move costs him 5 years of his already limitd life

>>150829511
>he still lives more than the weak manlet and the mouth breather ragetard

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>>150829179
Here's one without the weird neck. And I think my skin looks better.

>>150829435
I'm not a gurofag but I wish Isayama would do more body horror in SnK, here's hoping he gets his chance soon

>>150829607
That's more like it. Heft heavy loads for jeanbo.

>>150829619
When he wants it to be gross, he really fucking delivers.

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>>150829435

>>150829175
>Delusion.

Is Zeke proof that the 13 years limit can be broken? And is Ymir also going to die in 13 years?

Who is SnK's /coolest guy/?
Hard mode, appears in more than 5 chapters.

>>150828041
Plot wise it's definitely one of the better titles out there imo, but I can think of several nekketsu shounen manga with a stronger main cast.

>>150829384
Is Hisu gonna get fat when she's older?

>>150829772
No, because we don't know when he received the serum.

>>150829807
I hope so. I like a bit of pudge.

>>150829807
Her mother and older sister were 7.5/10 and 12/10 respectively.

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>>150829822
Would you pinch and squeeze her midget chub and make her cry?

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>>150829175
BA a cute.

Is there any crossover fanart of Christa as Mercy patching up Reinerhardt

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>>150829787
This man. Right here.

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>>150829891

>>150829787
Probably Annie. Eren is an extreme hypocrite when it comes to BRA.

>>150829885
If she wants me to. I accommodate for kinks.

>>150829619
He's done plenty already but yeah, I wouldn't mind more, since he's really good at it. Zeke's baseball session was pretty insane.

pls kill all ErwL fujos

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>>150829891

>>150829998
I would vote for Sieg as the coolest guy.

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>>150830027

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>>150830204
Lewd.

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Grisha repeated his mistakes inside the wall by injecting Eren and entrusting him with the burden of carrying out his eldian revolution dream.
That's what Zeke meant when he said they were both victims of his father. When he learnt that Eren was Grisha's son, and that he was a shifter, he must have thought that Grisha was trying to accomplish with Eren what he failed with him, and he must have felt empathy for Eren in a way considering how painful his own experience was. I can't wait for their next confrontation.

>>150829891
>>150830027
>>150829942
>>150830204
>>150830253
Friendly reminder Bort is dead and Annie hates him.

>>150829999
>Those digits.
RIP fujos.

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>>150828753
>Lets his liege rest in pieces instead of coming back to hell again
I believe in true love

>>150830276
Is Zeke part of the breeding program since he let his mouth loose?

>>150830276
>I can't wait for their next confrontation.
Me neither. So Zeke learns there was no braiwashing and Eren is unironically like that.

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>>150830316

Reminder that when Ymir(current) was cut off by Reiner from saying who/what she thinks is the real enemy of humanity, she managed to get out a "se".

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>>150830316

>>150830355
Poor Jean. That was one severe burn.

>>150830432
KEK nice delusion bortwhale.

>>150830429
-kai.

>>150830338
If that happened to my favorite shingeki I would be pissed. Levi a shit.

>>150830479
You can't stop retard bortfags anon.

Also reminder Annie only showed interest to Eren alone.

>>150830429
>real enemy of humanity
Who was the Wall's enemy, you mean?

>>150830517
They're desperate whales projecting on Annie so they can project their wet dreams with an autistic beta.

>>150830027
I just realized I might preferred tan Bert over manga Bert.

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>>150830600

Why didn't Kruger just go the walls himself when he first got the power? What the fuck was the point in infiltrating the Marleyans for 13 years?

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>>150830429
*Our enemy

I want Reiner to tackle me and sniff my crotch.

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>>150830668
Cute!

>>150830673
Maybe he had motivation at first but got caught in some kind of nasty routine that he only snapped out of after meeting kid Grisha?

With the concept of the titan network paths now being known, shouldn't they be extremely suspicious of titan Rod ignoring everyone in favor of homing in on one distract in particular?

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>>150830729
Just added that to my collection.I've had laptop problems this year and I'm glad I finally have my shingekis back

>>150830711
Gnarly as fuck anon dess dess

>>150828596
*YH

>>150830837
Abnormal titan are only attracted to grater groups of people.

Letter soon.
Ymir backstory soon.
YH soon.

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>>150831004

>>150831078
>Hitch laughing in the corner

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Would your favourite Shingeki/'s want to be your friend?

>>150831442
Eren would take one look at me, turn 360 degrees and walk away.

>>150831592
>360

>>150831442
Reiner is everybody's friend.

>>150831442
Doubt it

>>150831442
Hange is very friendly, so yeah.

>>150831673
I want to hug him tight.

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canon soon.

>>150831442
Not at all, I'm horribly flawed.

>>150831888
I'd fuck you all the same

>>150831667
>Anon just exposed complete newfag status

>>150831442
Yes!

>>150831915
You sound fun. We should party.

>>150831960
God bless people with low standards

>>150832036
You shouldn't be self deprecating.

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Post your favorite homoerotic moments.

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Q&A

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>>150832207
Easy

>>150831673
was*

>>150831442
I think so, she is pretty nice.

>>150832316
what does it say?

>>150832373
Is*
We GoT in here. Show me a body.

>>150832316
I fucking love that Erwin's death killed 99% of the fujoshis, but at the same time we don't get translations right away like we used to.

>>150832380
Who tho?

Since when did /a/ like Reiner?

>>150832573
Historia.

>>150832316
Homo wins

>>150832607
Krista was nice, Historia is emo

>>150832686
She's not really emo anymore.

>I hate the Titans!
>no eren, you are the Titans
>no eren, we're all the Titans

>>150831442
I think I will fall in love with Armin but end up hang out with Levi. Hange and I will go along well.

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>>150832207

>>150832606
He's the boyfriend I always wanted to have.

>>150832716
Hard to say because she hasn't been on page in so long

>>150832752
At the orphanage she seemed pretty normal.

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>>150832742

>>150832316
Q: In Shingeki's world, why does the Sun rise in the West?
A: Because it's made from a mirror image of the world we live in.

>>150832606
Only redditors hate Reiner.

>>150832887
So the black people really are in Europe.

>>150832887
Why did no one ever notice this before?

>>150832807
Well she wasn't really doing anything

>>150832606
/a/ like Reiner way since Utgard was coming out.

>>150832606
He's the best liked shifter.

>>150832858
What a well-rounded, choice ass.

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>>150833086
Lies.

>>150833025
Still probably nice. At least nicer compared to others.

>>150832887
Wait, so Shinganshina would point to the East, right? Which is weird, since BRA would've likely come from the west.

>>150833086
Not even. Annie is.

>>150833185
I think she would be nice to have a conversation with,

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>>150833148
Ymir and Reiner are both great.

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posting my crack pairing

>>150833246
Shinganshina is the southern district. It's pointing to the South.

>>150833296
No one like Annie. Annie a shit.

>>150833343
I still wish the Hisu figure had a better mouth. Every time I look at her, I frown a bit.

>>150833363
I like Annie.

>>150827081
All the invaders will be eaten by various named characters to take their abilities, and the Titan spoof image will come true.

I bet Connie eats him.

>>150833363
You should be slapped.

>>150833357
No, it's pointing to the East, see the sun position. And it's late noon.
https://youtu.be/4XoWJV88_MA

>>150833391
It looks like she's forcing herself to smile.

>>150833434
Shiganshina is canonically the southernmost district.

>>150833459
Yeah. Does it fit her character? Sure. Does it look good? No.

>>150833296
I forgot who Annie is.

>>150833343
I really like them too.

>>150833494
Of their south, not the world's south. Otherwise this is a major fuck up.

Why didn't the last Marleyan shifter help BRZ?

>>150833391
I have the Hisu figure too. It's alright in quality.

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>>150833343

>>150833540
You should for liking shit.

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>>150833591
I try to go above "alright" when possible. A lot of SNK figures are pretty awful. I only have Levi, Mikasa and Hisu though.

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>>150833434
Could it be an oversight from the animators? I mean, the map itself is pretty clear.

>>150833692
The Hisu was a gift so I can't complain too much.

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>>150833718
Well in that case, I would be pleased with the quality. I want the Hange, but the lack of blades irks me.

>>150827662
Ducking this. And then we'll have our Most ending.

>>150833697
To be fair, that doesn't seems to be using anything like a compass to "base" it up.

>>150833315
I think so too. She seems like a bro now.

>>150833793
Phone poster located

>>150833829
I wonder if she drinks.

>>150827662
If that's the case then the (((real))) enemy will never be defeated, though.

>>150833933
I could see her drinking.

>>150833805
there's what I assume to a compass in the top left corner.

>>150834015
Yeah? What would she go in for?

Reminder that historia will be revealed as a shifter in the coming chapters screen cap this
Ps: she doesn't actually know she has the power

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>>150833697
Page from chapter two that have the first shadow of the manga. I think the anime is accurate.
The question is why would BRA circle the island this much if they could've just attacked the opposite district from Shinganshina? This may be a tip from Isayama.

>>150834086
Why would the sun rise in the West and go down in the South, though?

>>150827662
does that "true enemy" really exist though? For all we know the source of titan powers might actually not be a sentient being at all, like Marleyans researchers have theorized.

>>150834245
I don't Isayama would put an big, really bad boss on his manga, though. Especially with the stuff he posts in his blog.

>>150834137
Beer, but she can only handle one because she's such a lightweight.

>>150834359
Huh, cute. And leaves me money to buy something a bit more expensive. 10/10 would date/bro

>>150834478
She is queen, she could pay for you.

>>150834541
Even better. I hope she's a fun drunk/

>>150834720
Likely. She is a passionate person so she will probably be fun as a drunk. That or the depressing kind.

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>>150834749
Well if she's a depressive drinker, she just needs a good drinking buddy to keep her spirits up. We could drink and play stupid games. Absolute fun times

Someone have the pic about Wall Language?

Reminder the only characters that will make it to the end are
Levi
Hange
Ymir (god)

>>150834822
is that eren or bert on the ground?

>>150834991
Honestly, it could be either. There's no detail at all. But with Annie and Reiner being there, I'm inclined to say Bert.

>>150834991
Why would Ymir be hanging around with Eren?

>>150834991
It's supposed to be Bert.

What do you guys think the ability of the attack titan will be?

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>>150834186
I wouldn't trust Isayama's early drawings too much, considering how unexperienced he used to be with the shading and stuff (and there's always the possibility that the mirror thingy was something he hadn't yet thought of at the time and the anime just went with whatever was in the mango), but yeah that may also be intentional indeed. Could it be that the Marleyan harbor is located in the East, for a particular reason?

>>150834241
Like I said, animation blunder, though that may not actually be the case.

>>150835042
To attack. In all reality it's probably the fact that it heals ridiculously fast.

>>150835042
The ability to incorporate the strengths of the vanquished into itself. Coordinate and Armour so far.

>>150834991
>Comparing Eren with that ugly Bort.
You should be punished.

>>150834971
>2 lesbos, 1 homo
They're doomed.

>>150835042
To commence an Attack on Titan

>>150835124
Hanji isn't a lesbo, she had a crush on keith.

>>150835100
Megaman Titan then? Sounds like a pretty legit ability.

>>150835206
>she

>>150835047
He said himself when he started out, he already had everything figured out, and not long ago he said going with it still. Also the pic you posted just proves the anime right, unless Grisha decided to do an 180 around the walls, which is really unlikely, instead of going straight untill he found the first wall.
Maybe west side of paradis is not a place to build anything.

>>150835313

Hanje is a girl with a mustache.

>>150835263
What better way to attack the enemy than to take their weapons and use them yourself? I'm sold on the concept.
>Megaman Titan
Chuckled

>>150835340
I actually posted the pic because it actually supported your theory (as well as the idea that the harbor is indeed built on the east side of the island) so I pretty much agree with you.
Makes me wonder how messed up the Wall people's geography even is, to come to the conclusion that the East is the South.

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Which one of you guys did this?

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>>150835047
Is it a sunrise or a twilight, though? It really looks like it's night here.

>>150835366
Funny thing is, it perfectly reflects the way Eren's been fighting against RBA until now. He learned from them and used their techniques against them. This power would be fitting on pretty much every level.

>>150835518
I think that one harbor was in the west, and it's actually dawn instead of twilight. >>150835617
Could be wrong though.

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>>150835561
Not me, but the faggot even posted something similar to their reasoning in these threads.

>>150835678
Remember this exchange anon.

>>150835617
Oh shit, I'm not sure anymore.

>>150834822
>ywn be drinking buddies with Hisu

I just caught up with the manga after like 5 months. So the eldians were basically Nazis?

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>>150835561
It reminds me of this shit.

>>150835902
They were Germans, Marleyans are the Jews. Now the Eldians are modern day white guilted Germans.

>>150835949
At least modern day Germans don't get the reverse-WW II treatment like Eldians do.

I have a very strong feeling that snk is going to end with some naruto tier ass pull. It's pretty obvious that the 'devil' is some sort of alien and gave humans the titan power as part of some sort of endgame.

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>>150835898
I want to enjoy Limeade with Annie

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>>150835617
Is Isayama on drugs?

>>150836035
I want to smell her butt.

>>150835879
Already screencapped the convo. Can't wait for the official confirmation.

>>150828764
Anybody else hate the asspules they made to keep him alive?
>He can put his life through his body

What?

>>150835617
Dawn.

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>>150836077
Come on anon, mind out of the gutter for a minute to appreciate the cute.

>>150836148
Soon we will have validation for the Megaman Titan

Will something actually happen next chapter like them going to Annie, or will we get another chapter of Eren's dad bitching?

>>150836072
Why? Because Keith said 20 years ago?

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>>150836232
Hopefully Eren and his awakened shifter memories.

>>150836279
Mikasa should be drawn like this more often. It's far more cute than her official representation

>>150836302
That's not Mikasa. Canon Mikasa is totally different.

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>>150836302

>>150836278
Because Grisha is in the East, when he probably came from the West. Unless Shinganshina is especial for some reason, and Kruger choose to bring him there.

>>150836359
Kek.

>>150836351
I know, that's why I said she should be drawn like >>150836279

>>150836232
Partly Grisha bitching and then Eren gets eaten, then Eren starts acting unlike himself then some sort of big reveal to end off the volume. Hopefully a timeskip or annie's crystal breaking. I just wanna see older Eren acting like Eren.

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>>150836359

>>150836359
>>150836499
Someone somewhere fapped to this

>>150836361
At this point I don't even know anymore, we'll probably have to wait and see how the whole thing even works in future chapters.

>>150836429
I think she is fine in the manga. She seems like a different character in that pic.

>>150835902
Eldians are Jews/dindus.

>>150836302
I like her deadfish eyes desu

>>150836556
>She seems like a different character in that pic.
A good thing in and of itself. Her character hasn't done anything useful in a very long time. She basically doesn't have any character anymore.

>>150836153
See >>150829435

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>Eren: finally, after all these years, I realised that I truly was The Attack On Titan by Hajime Isayama ™ a Kodansha's Bessatsu Shōnen Magazine™ mange published September 9, 2009 with cover art by Hajime Isayama™

Wow, what a hack

>>150836593
They were the nazis 1000 years ago, it just backfired on them

>>150836772
No. They were just subhuman savages and plunderers who used their devil powers to take over the world.

>>150832344
>Boob against the wall
Fully erect

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>>150836847
Wall boob is good.
Boob to boob is better.

>>150836625
I got bored with after the 3rd time. I'm at least glad one of them died.

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>>150836724
For all the shit we give this revelation, I think there was a lot of meta commentary in this chapter that hit hard as a longtime reader of the series. Even through all the political arc and for the past few years I've always found myself browsing /a/ during spoiler week and when this part came up it felt like Isayama was trying to say something directly to his audience.

Who would've thought Grisha would be this damn important.

>>150836885
I'd argue with that, but it's hard to build an argument when it's two sets of boobs we are talking about compared to a single set against a structure

>>150836971
>He isn't

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Would Isayama be madman enough to do it? Pic related is same magazine SnK comes out. He did shit machine and all.

Inb4 fujoshit.

>>150837002
Then we take it to god mode. Boobs against glass.

>>150837130
What am I looking at?

>>150837130
what is this?

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>>150837180
The purest form of love.
I have no idea.

>>150837130
Only if it's EA. And forced on Eren.

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>>150837148
I'll raise you.
Boobs, against glass, GENDERFLIPPED

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>>150837424
I am SO down with that.

>>150837130
Nah. Aside from YH, Isayama's been purposefully avoiding make his main chars interact in any way that could be truly interpreted as romantic, so I doubt he'd pull that kind of shit all of a sudden without any kind of proper buildup.

Eren is gonna die a virgin and there ain't a thing he can do about it

YH is cute and canon.

>>150837690
Ymir is dead

>>150837690
The cutest.

>>150837555
>Aside from YH
Anon pls. Take this out and then you got it accurate.

eren will die

>>150837719
Ymir is alive and well.

>>150837799
Hi coolman

>>150837276
>>150837130
It was a fucking shit ending. What the fuck. Fuck you, man. It was soooo good until the end. It got axed and they gave us a shit ending.

>>150838189
Ewwwwwwwww what the fuck, a namefag

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>>150837799
N-never!

>>150838285
>namefag
get out, newfag.

>>150838342
Funny, fuck of Kevin-kun you namefag piece of attention whore shite

>>150838342
Kill yourself Kevin, you're waifu sayaka a shit.

>>150838510
This. Who makes an entire thread for such a blatantly shit character?

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>>150838342
Where do the attention whores come from? Tell us then neck yourself.

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>>150838614
>>150838510
>>150838393

>>150838744
Attention whore status confirmed.

You know, I really thought they would release a PV this weekend, since it's about the same time they released the PV for season 1 back in 2012. Yet here we are.

>>150839766
>attack on titan anime started 2012/2013
What the fuck happened to the time?

>>150839766
The fuck is a pv?

>>150838744
You don't deserve those dubs.

Was Grisha based in Gregori Rasputin? He does look like him without the beard.

>>150840637
The only historic figure anyone's based off of is Hitler as Eren.

>>150841325
KEK

>>150841325
Can't discord with that.

>>150841325
lol'd

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Can you faggots seriously not go a single /yoi/ thread without bringing up SNK? I'm a fan too but it is not relevant. What it is, is ANNOYING AS HELL! SHUT. UP!

>>150841930
Probably an Arminfat attempting to derail your threads since xe isn't getting enough attention here.