Is Miyazaki right?

>old man yells at computer

Yes. I'm really going to miss this old codger when he eventually kicks the bucket.

>>150754341
He's an insult to life itself just by being still alive.

He wasn't calling anime or even cg an insult to life, just that particular zombie animation which disturbed him.

I can kinda sympathize but personally I just think the dude's completely out of touch

>watches some AI come up with purposefully unnatural movements for horrific animations
>brings up some unrelated bullshit about a disabled friend
Is he clinically senile?

Spoopy

>>150754341
Can we just bury this irrelevant geezer already?

>>150754341
Why is he always so butthurt about anime?
Does he forget that there's still really good anime out there and that not everything panders to otaku? Hell even if he hates otaku he has to admit that they keep a lot of companies alive.

>>150754528
yes basically.

he is literally the definition of that old guy who complains things were better back in the day.

those young guys are just so fucking devastated too

>>150754582
>>150754419
>>150754407
>>150754501
>>150754528
Crazy how people don't understand this and think he's just being grouchy/angry.

The reason the animation in his work and the work of his colleagues is so beautiful is because they are putting actual thought, care, emotion and human experience into their content. Having AI "learn" that, at least at this early level, in no way compares to that mastery they apply to this genre.

The reason he used the example of his friend is because he learned that emotion by living that experience and witnessing it himself then he can call upon it to translate it into his work. It's not some animation factory where the goal is to pump out as many animations like robots. So it's insulting to him to try and take away from that process and ignore the cycle in life humans/artists experience.

You guys are absolute retards and this board is hopeless.

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>>150754341
Meanwhile, from his one and only living disciple Anno:

>Katabuchi asked Anno if he had seen In This Corner of the World, and Anno replied, "I saw it. What a woman, doing nothing. I wanted to strangle her."

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-12-09/evangelion-anno-criticizes-in-this-corner-of-the-world-heroine/.109703

Why did they even invite a senile old man who's internationally known to abhor anything related to modern technology to see their weird AI animation that was supposed to be used in zombie games

They literally asked to be put into that extremely awkward situation

>>150754713
I don't care if for you Miyazaki it's your God, I'm still atheist.

>>150754843
>Why did they even invite a senile old man who's internationally known to abhor anything related to modern technology to see their weird AI animation that was supposed to be used in zombie games

He was trying to animate a CGI caterpillar's movements as realistically as possible. They were showing him a software that could pull it off. Instead he chose to be a retard,

He's right, and he's extremely based for telling it like it is without sugarcoating it. It's a dumb project.

>>150754843
I want a tv show where they show miyazaki new things and he shits on it

>>150754921
So is his caterpillar garbage so who cares what he thinks.

>>150754713
>The reason the animation in his work and the work of his colleagues is so beautiful is because they are putting actual thought, care, emotion and human experience into their content. Having AI "learn" that, at least at this early level, in no way compares to that mastery they apply to this genre.

He said nothing about an AI you dimwitted fuck. He didn't even object to it being an AI. He was triggered because of something completely unrelated with his friend. Show him something hand-drawn like Attack on Titan with its werd-ass giants and he would spout the same shit.

>You guys are absolute retards and this board is hopeless.

I'm sure your circlejerk on Tumblr agrees with you.

>>150754713
The future is now grandpa, emotions will be emulated without your permission

>>150754969
What are you talking about?

>>150754928
fund it

>>150754928
He's basically the Japanese Hank Hill.
>hwat? a modern thing I don't understand? well that's just asinine I tell you what, get it away from me before I kick yer ass.

But he has a point. Why are people so mad?
It clearly represents the end of times when the AI does all the animating, the animators lose jobs leading to the ultimate collapse of the industry.

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>>150754794
hahaha what the fuck are these even real?

>>150755105
>But he has a point.
>AI

It's like you didn't even watch the video. He said nothing about AI.

>>150754341
>disgruntled old man angry at his growing irrelevancy
again?

>>150754794
Anno wants to strangle all the drawn women.

>>150755134
You tell me anon.
>So, what's your goal?
>Well, we would like to build a machine that can draw pictures like humans do.

He is right tho. The only reason people on this thread shit on him is because they want their futa porn as realistic as possible.

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>“That thing that looks like a gaming device in your hand, along with that strange stroking movement you make with your hands is by no means attractive to me, nor am I at all impressed by it. I feel a sense of revulsion for it, in fact.

>I’m sure in short time there will be an increase in people on trains making those strange masturbatory strokes. It was the same when everyone started reading manga on trains, and when it became cellphones – I’m fed up with it.”

>It may seem like I am ignoring your human rights to say this, but you can’t research any of that. Why? Because you have no way of knowing what it’s like to be on an old trireme, or having empathy with the men on board, covered in sweat as they labour at their oars.

>You go out into the world without enriching your imagination. You are merely grasping the iWhatever as a skimming tool you use to stroke yourself.

>I’m sure there are many people who want to become omnipotent by getting their hands on this iWhatever. I’ll tell you sir, there were once a bunch of people who wore radio cassette players (those bulky things) wherever they went in the sixties. They wore it like a priceless emblem.

>They’re mostly probably living off of pension funds now, but you and them are the same. You jump at the newest gadgets, and all you do is relish the pride in owning one as some consumer.

>You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/07/13/miyazaki-ipad-users-nothing-but-chronic-masturbators/

>>150754510
It happens when you get older. Old people just instinctively distrust change brought on by the younger generations.

>>150755230
He didn't even respond to it. The section at the end came from a different scene entirely.

He said nothing about AI. Don't put your words in his mouth.

>>150755105
Everything is gonna be controlled by AI at one point in time, anon.

>>150754713
I feel you anon. Nothing but disrespect for someone who did nothing but better the anime industry. /a/ can be full of edgy retards sometimes.

> average shitposter seriously considers that crap a ''''disrupting'''' ''''achievement''''

I found the audience that has been so brain-fucked by banal Hollywood special effects that they happily munch on ''''next-gen 3D anime'''', as long as it is properly marketed.

Anyway, I've already pissed into your blind eyes in previous thread: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150742319/#150746200

>>150755407
>better the anime industry

How so?

I'm not an artist. But I imagine that they channel their experiences, thoughts, feelings, etc. into their work. A simple AI that has decided it's efficient to move a computer model with joints in a certain way - like, you have to imagine that they've worked out how far those joints can move, at what angle, at what speed. That's all sitting in the programming...
And they want to use it in the same industry he's in. Would he find that troubling? Almost revolting? Yeah. That sits on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from him.
I do think their is room for both approaches though.

>>150754794
wow he really did model shinji after himself

>>150755134
Are you actually retarded?

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>>150754794
>Anno
>wanting to strangle anime girls

STOP THE PRESSES

>>150755474
Great response you illiterate cocksucker.

>>150755105
you are too retarded to see the future, anon. The real creators will write and lead the AI's to make the anime without risking their health.

>>150755307
All truth bombs right there. I feel the same way as Miyazaki. You kids are gay faggosexuals with your iShits and your big hoop earrings and your cordless phones.

>>150755371
The topic of the entire demonstration was AI anon. AI. Obviously, everything miyazaki said was about his opinion on AI.

>>150755307
>having empathy with the men on board, covered in sweat as they labour at their oars
Lewd

It just another tool. There may be people who use it well and make amazing art with it. There may be people who have no talent who use it as a crutch and shit out garbage. Miyazaki making a blanket judgement on the tool as a whole is just the idiotic ramblings of a crotchety old man who can't adapt.

>>150755541
>Obviously, everything miyazaki said was about his opinion on AI.

>Miyazaki: "my friend is disabled so we can't use this because it's disrespectful to him"

Where did he say anything about AI in that sentence, Tumblr?

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>>150755541
>a 3d animation is artificial intelligence

wew, buddy

>>150755407
What, some of his movies were really popular and made a lot of money so everything he does can't possibly be bad? Fuck off, he isn't making the industry any "better" with his recent stuff.

>>150755541
>>150755371
>>150755420
>go to /a/
>get strawman arguments up the ass

>>150755443
Not him, but besides being arguably its greatest creator (he betters the industry simply by existing within it), he played a big part in distinguishing Japanese animation from Disney.

>>150754987
Are you going off the article or do you have a quote from the film?

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>>150755645
>greatest creator

Re-educate yourself, pig.

>>150755726
Why don't you watch the film and actually pay attention this time, ESL? He said nothing about AI.

>>150755749
I said arguably, and personally I think few Tezuka animations come close to what Miyazaki has created.

>>150755307

How dare you insult Apple® iDevices™?! They are futuristic! Moreover, they are work of USA™® entrepreneurship! I pay extra money each year to feel this way and won't let anyone spoil my consumerist arousal! There is no way these plastic boxes will be useless in ten years, and laughed at in 50! I live in the fuuuchaaa...

>>150755156
>disgruntled old man angry at his growing irrelevancy
He chose to retire, and the video has nothing to do with his "irrelevancy."

>>150755814
Miyazaki contributed fuck all to anime.

Tezuka more or less spawned the entire industry, anime and manga. The two are incomparable. Tezuka is a legend. Miyazaki is a moocher living in his own ivory tower.

>>150755578
You anon, are bad at understanding the main idea or the topic of that entire conversation.

I find it funny that you conveniently forget to mention the part where he says the following:
>Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is or whatsoever.
>I would never incorporate this technology into my work at all.
>I feel this is an insult to life itself.
So, what thing is technology, who creates stuff, has no experience of pain because it has no life, and an insult to life itself?
AI

I mean, if you still deny this isn't about AI then you're just in denial.

You can even see it in his face when they said "Well, we would like to build a machine that can draw pictures like humans do." They close up on his face with an expression of hate, disdain, and disgust over putrid AI.

>>150755645
Isao Takahata is better

>>150755913
>Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is or whatsoever
That's a pretty stupid remark to make when the animation itself was supposed to portray human bodies moving as if they didn't feel pain.

>>150755911
Miyazaki has made the most successful anime movies of all time.

>>150755913
>So, what thing is technology, who creates stuff, has no experience of pain because it has no life, and an insult to life itself?
>AI

Wow, so you totally put words in his mouth and are projecting your own opinion onto him, just like what everyone else in the thread said?

Fuck off you illiterate shit.

>>150754341
2016 really is an odd year. Miyazaki actually said something I agree with.

>>150755911
How much actual animation history do you know? You come off as extremely ignorant. I'm not denying that Tezuka is important, but as a creator of animations, I think Miyazaki is significantly better. What are your favourite Tezuka films?

>>150755941
Like I said, arguably. I prefer Miyazaki by a significant margin but I'd never fault someone for saying Takahata's the best.

>>150755645
Astro Boy was already nothing like Disney.

>>150755941
People just say this because it's hipster to do so.

>>150755995
Success =/= influence. Know the difference.

>>150755443
Many japanese filmmakers cite Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli as a major influence in their careers. Just look at Shinkai, dude has said multiple times that his favorite films are SG films.

Also, I'd say the dude did a lot to help popularize japanese animation in the west. We can debate the weight of his contribution to anime but I think most would agree he has helped shape it.

It's like they made the animation and it came out retarded looking so they claimed they wanted it to look bad.

>>150756007
Well, that's it for me anon. You're pretty much just in denial and refuse to accept facts I point out.

Miyazaki says "We humans are losing faith in ourselves" at the very end. That quite literally points out his hate for Artificially intelligent animation and the entire topic of that video.

Or if you have another explanation what that quote was talking about, explain it to me, anon.

>>150755913
I follow the field kinda closely and I'd say we're still pretty far off from replacing anything but the gruntiest of grunt work in animation. Basically things that require little thought or imagination that you tell interns and juniors to sink 16 hours a day into.

Caterpillars were a mistake.

>>150756079
You think he hasn't had any influence on anything despite being the most celebrated anime director of all time and making the most successful anime movies all time?

>>150756030
>How much actual animation history do you know?

More than you do you delusional fuck.

>You come off as extremely ignorant. I'm not denying that Tezuka is important, but as a creator of animations, I think Miyazaki is significantly better. What are your favourite Tezuka films?

It doesn't matter if you like Miyazaki more than Tezuka, we're talking about influence and importance here. Tezuka is the Godfather of anime and manga. For fucks sake that's his actual title.

Miyazaki wouldn't have had a career without him.

>>150755407
His movies are pretty great but that doesn't change the fact he's a bit of a prick.

>>150756030
Isao was more influential since he amplified Japan's fapping on Anne of Green Gables and Heidi. He brings his characters very good probably because he's more experienced that Hayao

>>150756106
>Miyazaki says "We humans are losing faith in ourselves" at the very end. That quite literally points out his hate for Artificially intelligent animation and the entire topic of that video.

Nah, that's just you putting words in his mouth again like a true Tumblrite.

Go watch Kingdom of Dreams and Madness. He says lines like this all the time.

>>150756106
>We humans are losing faith in ourselves

That's a dumb point to make seeing as how all cg animation have to be done by a human operator. Does he think people communicate things to a robot overlord who pumps out these on the fly?

Also quit calling it AI. It's just animation. There is literally zero artificial intelligence involved.

>>150756079
>Thinking success doesn't harbor automatic influence

let's all be as dumb as you

>>150756221
The video in question demonstrates an AI system for creating animation.

>>150756151
And what exactly did his films contribute to the anime industry that people still use?

Full animation, high frame count, paying animators with actual wages and not per sheet they draw- NONE of those are the norm in anime. In fact Miyazaki left the industry because of those very limitations that didn't allow him to do what he wanted.

>>150756211
More like everything has to be literal for you because you lack common sense, anon.

>>150756159
I think you're wildly misinterpreting what I'm saying. I said Miyazaki was arguably the greatest creator of animations, not the most influential.

>>150756197
Many of Takahata's most influential projects also had Miyazaki on board, so it's kind of a tough call. I think Miyazaki edges him out do to raw exposure / popularity. Both undeniably critical figures in the industry's history though.

>>150755795
My bad, missed the link.

Anyway if you watch the video the context is very easy to understand. These guys have made a program that makes this figure attempt to move without all of its motor functions. Obviously it ends up looking eerily similar to people with disabilities who have to compensate in weird ways to move around.

The reason he brought his friend up is because the guy was pitching it to be used as a cheap entertainment gimmick, while there are people who actually have to live out what these guys are simulating.

>I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work
That's a direct acknowledgement to the AI part, you're wrong.

>>150756160
Yeah I have to agree with you. People saying he's an irrelevant old man who should die are being extremely childish though.

>>150756250
Michael Bay Transformers is super influential.

You said it, not me dumbass.

>>150756296
TV anime and movie anime are very different things, and Miyazaki was in a position to do pretty much whatever.

Influence also means more things than this.

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>>150754341
Miyazaki is finally fed up with humanity

>>150756322
>>I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work
>That's a direct acknowledgement to the AI part, you're wrong.

He doesn't hate it because it's AI dumbfuck, he hates it because it reminded him of his crippled friend. Show him some animaton from Attack on Titan with its freakish crippled Titans and he would say the same thing.

>>150756322
That's the same anon who has no common sense hence everything has to be literal and explicit for him to understand.

He's in denial so you can stop replying to him.

>>150756336
Honestly, I chose to believe these threads are just shitposting.
The idea of sharing the board with people lacking even this bare minimum of reading comprehension is too depressing.

>>150755639
Look at you getting all assmad on the internet. Actual japanese animators revere him as one of the greats.

What am I saying, of course you know better, random shithead on /a/.

>>150754794
kek

Best Miyazaki film? Or top 3.

>>150754341
CGI is garbage, I don't see the problem here. Only newfags would get butthurt at this shit.

>>150756364
>Influence also means more things than this.

Such as?

If all of you kids here don't understand that that problem can't be just solved by bigger computer with more processing power, it says something about modern education and modern stereotypes about "science". It's like you want to have a space rocket, and someone gives you a bike, and tells it will "artificially develop" into something suitable in the future. If you know something about this world, you would say bikes are not really suitable for the task.

He clearly asked why the fuck were they doing that, what they were trying to achieve, and how the hell was that relevant to making art. It's quite obvious that these people did something "uh, kinda interesting" based on latest fads in IT, and THEN started to search for a task to which they can apply it.

What's more insulting, Miyazaki is an artist who can easily imagine AND animate such "oooh creepy lol" stuff without needing a fucking server farm and months of work.

>>150756532
The content of his films and people being inspired to become anime professionals.

>>150756433
Why don't you actually read the post above you instead of wallowing in your little tree-hugging agenda you delusional namefag.

>>150756513
Gotta be Totoro. Such a wonderful film.

>>150754341
>complaining about lack of talented animators
so with each project he does, he's personally training a bunch of animators, right?
he's not complaining about his trade dying out without doing anything about it, right?

>>150754794
Aussie tier shitposting

>>150756513
Castle of Cagliostro.

>>150756573
Anon asked for his best movies, not the worst ones.

>>150756537
>He clearly asked why the fuck were they doing that

Because he asked them for it to help him with his CGI caterpillar short, and they showed him a software for that.

For someone who talks about education you're the one coming across as being a dumb kool-aid drinking fuck who can't even do his own research.

>>150756597
He blessed Animator Expo with its mascot, you ignorant unbeliever.

>>150756639
ah, so by drawing a mascot, he trained dozens of people?

>>150756626
Don't be a doofus.

>>150756639
Because Anno asked him to, and they're BFFs, not because he actually has any respect for other animators.

For fuck's sake this is the guy who shits on Tezuka and Disney and the Fleischer brothers and you think he knows how to respect someone?

>>150756597
No, that's left to otaku degenerates like Kyoto Animation who never go outside and don't know how to animate characters realistically because they've never seen people.

>>150756676
Oh neat, what's his take on Disney and the Fleischers? His complaints about Tezuka are valid.

>>150756704
based kyoani

>>150754341
he's just eternally blown the fuck out since he knows he can never surpass kimi no na wa

>>150756717
>His complaints about Tezuka are valid.

You're a moron.

>>150756429
You literally cannot read between the lines. Americans are hopeless.

>>150756750
It's still far behind Spirited Away.

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The guy is an old bag who needs to be put in the ground already

>>150756717
>His complaints about Tezuka are valid
Oh wow, this must be a new level of retard

>>150756823
Those subtitles are fake.

>>150754696
He just really hates technology.

>>150756803
Fuck off weeb

>>150756823
Otaku are pathetic and I hope he insults them more

>>150756803
>You literally cannot read between the lines.

There's nothing in between the lines other than your stupid self-projection. Everything he said was straightforward, and he said nothing about AI. Get over it.

>Americans are hopeless.

Oh look, it's the retard who hops on Miyazaki's cock on every occasion and tries to defend the incomprehensible piece of shit known as Howl's Moving Castle. Fuck off.

>>150756429
>Show him some animaton from Attack on Titan with its freakish crippled Titans and he would say the same thing
That's just a wild hypothesis on your part.

>He doesn't hate it because it's AI
Yes he does, he recognizes that no one is planning this out, they've effectively created a thing which is forced to learn how to move exactly like real cripples are.

These people were so focused on the technological side of their demo they didn't stop to recognize what exactly was making it so effectively creepy. I'm sure with a bit more planning they could have come up with something more tactful.

>>150756885
"Otaku" can mean a wide range of things. In Western usage it usually means nothing.

>>150756802
>>150756849
He doesn't like the pessimism in many of his animated works, and dislikes that Astro Boy set the bar so low for in terms of cost. I don't see how those are at all wrong. He doesn't dislike the guy - Tezuka's manga was a big influence on him - but he was dissatisfied with his animations.

>>150756885
Finally, someone with some sense in this shit pile of a thread

>>150756915
>That's just a wild hypothesis on your part.

>"I don't like this because it reminds me of my crippled friend"
>wild hypothesis

You're an idiot.

>Yes he does, he recognizes that no one is planning this out

He never said a word about that.

>These people were so focused on the technological side of their demo they didn't stop to recognize what exactly was making it so effectively creepy.

They wanted it to be creepy. They were even talking about using it in Zombie games.

But I'm talking to an ESL, I can only set my expectations so high.

>>150756919
You really are a useless retard. Western usage? What the hell are you talking about? Fucking google otaku and you will get a clear cut definition.

>someone who is obsessed with popular culture to the detriment of their social skills

>>150756630
And they showed him something both aesthetically displeasing and ethically incompatible with his views (being a result of free-floating wanking on a computer). Imagine that you are gathering a volunteer team to work in Africa, and some of them tell you they just want to fuck young black girls for free for their own amusement.

Have you ever heard that some people have very deep reasons to make art?

>>150756954
Calm down anon. You seem really bothered about people not appreciating/respecting Miyazaki or his works as much as you think they should.

>>150754341
CGI is ugly. Therefore get rid of it. Everything else is using CGI, keep anime pure.

>>150757002
>Western usage? What the hell are you talking about?
I am talking about Western usage.

>Fucking google otaku and you will get a clear cut definition.
There is no clear cut definition. People have been arguing and analyzing "otaku" for decades.

>>150757014
3DCG has many good uses. Girls und Panzer for example would be impossible without it.

>>150756851
We're on a respectable image board that doesn't allow such thing.

If it's posted on 4chan, it has been a proven fact, in accordance to all the laws of US of A.

>>150757009
>And they showed him something both aesthetically displeasing and ethically incompatible with his views

He asked for a good software, they gave him one. If he gets upset at it because of how an non-living object reminds him of something completely unrelated with his living friend, he is delusional, just like you for defending his senility.

>Have you ever heard that some people have very deep reasons to make art?

That has nothing to do with art you pretentious faggot.

>>150757081
>Girls und Panzer
>good
Kill yourself otakutrash

>>150757098
It sure is great living in the free world of the us/a/

>>150757111
It is good, although I didn't say anything about its quality because that wasn't the point. Why do you idiots think that every time something gets mentioned it's an invitation for you to state your opinion on it?

>Kill yourself otakutrash
Please return to Reddit.

>>150756941
If it wasn't for Tezuka there wouldn't be any TV anime, because it would be impossible to make an entire series made out entirely of full-drawn keyframes

>>150757009
>Imagine that you are gathering a volunteer team to work in Africa, and some of them tell you they just want to fuck young black girls for free for their own amusement.

This is a terrible analogy and shows that you have no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

>>150757149
It's not impossible to believe that TV animation would have emerged regardless with a different model.

>>150757148
spotted the smelly otaku

>>150754794
sums up that movie nicely

>>150757217
Can you name another way where TV animation could be both high quality and profitable?

Cause Tezuka's a fucking genius (also doctor) with years of experience dealing with animators and artists, and I can tell you he thought of all the options well in advanced.

>>150757103
>He asked for a good software, they gave him one.

Kek.

> It won't help you to animate "Hamlet", but we can probably make something like "Tom&Jerry" with that thing. There is no difference, right?
> B-b-but you can make anime about zombies! Zombies are hip today!

>>150757256
Spotted the shitposter. Get a fucking life, try /fit/ or /soc/.

>>150757271
oddly enough I felt the same way about shinji

>>150755004

If it were that easy to emulate emotions, 4chan wouldn't be so awkward as fuck.

>>150754341
When I saw their "demo" I immediately reminded me of this:

https://youtu.be/iRZ2Sh5-XuM

>>150757256
spotted the clueless moron

>>150757283
He was asking them to help him animate a crawling caterpillar, not a walking person you retard.

They showed him that as one of its applications.

>>150757274
Of course I can't. Perhaps the way it was was the way it had to be, but even so I think it's fair to lament its weaknesses.

>>150757317
>>150757287
collect more figurines you girls in men's clothing

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>>150754794

>>150756995
I'm having a hard time believing you even understand the context presented in the video.

I'll try and spell it out for you.
Presenter:
>"this is an ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE which learns movements"
>"look how creepy it is, we can use this to entertain in shit zombie media"
>"it can present us with grotesque movements humans couldn't possibly imagine"

Miyazaki:
>"actually, I know someone who has to imagine these kinds of movements everyday in his daily struggle to fit in with society"
>"I would never use this TECHNOLOGY (not artistic interpretation) in my work because I understand the pain he has gone through is not remotely entertaining in any sense"

>>150757364
Why do you normies keep coming here to complain about this shit?

>>150757332
> "Hamlet" is only different from "Tom&Jerry" in that main characters are bipeds.

I think you intentionally try to look like you don't understand what I'm talking about.

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>>150757364
Not those people, but what the FUCK are you even doing here.

just asking, though; do you know the meaning of the word "otaku"
>>150757406
>"normies"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA

JESUS CHRIST
A NORMALFAG COMPLAINING ABOUT NORMALFAGS

>>150757444
Where did I ever say or in any way indicate that I'm a normie?

>>150757479
fuck off normalfags, get off my board!!!

>>150757479
I think he meant the fact that you used normie instead of normalfag

>>150757217
What different model?

The only reason there is TV anime is because of Tezuka's cost-cutting techniques

>>150754843
Supposedly, the presentation was around an hour long but NHK heavily edited their recording to show only the "juicy" bit

>>150757497
See >>150757479

>>150757504
So what?

>>150757385
Here's what he said, word for word:

>"If you want to make CREEPY stuff you can go ahead and do it... I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all"

He hates it because it's creepy and reminds him of his friend, not because he had anything against AI. I don't know how much more obvious you could make this.

Feel free to misinterpret his words in favor of your agenda though, tumblrite.

>>150757564
> HURRDU~1.PCX

>>150757623
See >>150757479

>>150756322
I actually liked the animation for the same reason he hated it. It's almost exactly an insult to life, with the head being discarded from its almost sacred position as the cradle of our life.
But it's interesting because of how it's a learning program's impression of efficient movement of the human body without context or foreknowledge.

>>150757440
Your example was retarded and you don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing intentional about that.

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>>150757564
Do you even know where that word came out of? Are you just using it because it sounds "cuter" and is less "SFW" than normalfag?

Did you just find this place? "Normie" is a terrible word with terrible connotations.

>>150757635
> he doesn't get the joke

Lurk for twenty years, preferably on Myspace.

What the fuck happened to his friend? what his wrong with him

>>150757687
What are you talking about?

>>150757701
What are you talking about?

>>150757702
Miyazaki ran him over and molested his daughter.

>>150757667
> you don't know what you're talking about
That's a bit self-assured. Are you, perhaps, the only child of your parents?

>>150757564
>So what?
Not the same guy, but the term essentially changed because it was offensive to normalfags. Normalfags don't want to say "Normalfags" so they opt for "normie" so they can make their edgy jokes in mixed company.

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>Present a footage to show how capable AIs can be
>Somehow, it becomes an issue about humanity

>>150757765
I have no knowledge of any such thing.

>>150757687
more SFW*

>>150757723
See? You don't even know the history behind that word. This may not mean that you're a "normalfag", but it indicates that you're a total newfag that just found this place.

>>150757779
You're the newfag. Maybe you should lurk more.

>>150757723
shut up normie

>>150757811
Wow, that totally convinced me!

>>150757818
See >>150757479

>>150757828
Wow, >>150757779 totally convinced me!

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[insert Plato quote]

>>150757771
> how capable AIs can be

Have you seen the computer for the first time in your life? Fucking CS bots with hard-coded waypoints act more human-like.

>>150757754
>non-argument: the post

Good job proving that you're just as delusional as I said.

>>150755749
>greatest furry

>>150754341
What does he think of Anno's work on Evengelion? He obviously respects him as a peer but do you think he actually likes Eva?

Remove AI and CGs. Human revolution now.

>>150757851
See>>150757870

>>150757884
>Miyazaki draws himself as a pig
>not a furry

baito desu?

>>150757870
I won't hurt your feelings with dispute, my dear millennial child.

>>150757918
The burden of proof is on you.

>>150757933
>millennial

Thanks for proving your Tumblr status, you want an upboat with that?

>>150757863
Cool, so it is, and? What about it?
Your point is as relevant as Miyazaki's disabled friend

>>150757776
Ok, you are either
1) Pretending to be retarded
2) Are actually retarded
3) This is literally your first day on this board

If 1 or 3, consider the benefits of inhaling helium for a while.

>>150757945
You can't use phrases you don't understand, underage newfag

>>150757964
You should feel at home on Tumblr, do as you wish. I'm afraid I can't help you with that website.

>>150758000
I understand it completely.

>underage newfag
Prove it.

>>150754341
BASED MIYAZAKI.

The A.I. itself would work for a zombie or horror genre. However, it boggle my mind they would specifically show Miyazaki of all people it, expecting noteworthy praise when he deal in traditional and don't care for technology.

Take that to Kojima, he may incorprate it into Death Stranding.

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>>150754794
>wanting to strangle a girl

>>150755307
He's right.

>>150758014
>You should feel at home on Tumblr, do as you wish.

Nah, tumblr is filled with ass-backward fucks like yourself, I'm sure you and the Miyazaki Defense Force on there have good reason to be here other than to be verbally abused by everyone for being the morons that you are.

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>>150758023
You think a word that /r9k/ cooked up to mock normal people more than normalfag ever did is cute? Come the fuck on, anon.

You picked up that word just because it sounded "better" and didn't have the "fag" in it, didn't you?

Does miyazaki use candles or electric lights?

Why the fuck would they even show that to him? If they wanted to display their experiment, why not make the zombie thing look like Totoro or something? Instead they show a guy who is known for making children's films some grim dark edgy bullshit that looks like garbage in hopes that they impress him with their technology.

What a bunch of fucking morons.

>>150758128
>You picked up that word just because it sounded "better" and didn't have the "fag" in it, didn't you?
You are projecting.

>>150757687
>>150758128
Someone should force Miyazaki to watch Mayoiga and post his reactions.

>>150754341

>The presentation shows Dwango's recent experiment with an animation program that learns via artificial intelligence. In this case, a human model was used and the program learned to make it move forward and at a more rapid rate while ignoring concepts like 'pain.' The result was an unsettling, zombie-like creature. Miyazaki was immediately repulsed, calling the animation "an insult to life itself."

He´s angry because the idea of human animators are obsolete if this computer app is really the future of animatotion.
Imagine if the gothic woman of Shirobako is replaced by this Artificial Intelligence app.

>>150755307
Miyazaki is undeniably right, kiddo. Don't get offended because you have a fragile ego and got your sentiments murked.

Praise be with Miyazaki.

>>150758115

But you haven't verbally abused anyone, just made a fool of yourself (which is fine).

>>150758156
Yeah, those guys are retards for expecting Miyazaki to be more professional

Where can I see the full documentary?

>>150758158
I am projecting? Anon..
This is a fact, people pick that word up because it's more catchy and it sounds less "offensive" (Fuck are they doing on 4chan then?)

>>150758128
DON'T BELIEVE HER SMILES.

>>150755534
>big hoop earrings

Having sex with girls who wear hoop earrings is the best.

>>150758210
It's going to take quite a bit of development to get to the point where you can instruct a character like you would a real actor, and it will do it.

>>150758245
>I am projecting?
Yes.

>>150758283
How the fuck am I projecting?

Tell me why you're using that word, please.

>>150758222
>NUH-UH YUR THE FOOL NOT ME

Hilarious. Your argument melted like butter and this petty babby talk is the best you can do to get back at me?

>>150758311
>How the fuck am I projecting?
I don't know what else you would be doing. I never said or indicated any of the things you're trying to attribute to me.

>>150758069
He was looking for a way to realistically animate the movements of a caterpillar in CGI. That's what the AI was supposed to do, but their presentation should have included something more neutral like a green blob instead of the creepy human models they intended to use in zombie games.

>>150758230
He gave his opinion is all. In a very passive-aggressive stance, as any Boss would. It's called tough love. It harden you.

Did you expect Miyazaki to hand out cookies and say how innovative it is while giving them a pat on the back? He's not there to coddle them.

>>150758339
Okay I'll ask again, tell me the reason you picked that word instead of "normalfag".

>>150758386
I consider them interchangeable. Sometimes I use one and sometimes I use the other.

It's surreal that this "argument" is still going on. Are you just a buttblasted normie?

He's just mad that no one is paying any attention to him.

>>150754713
But why should I care what he says?

>this board is hopeless
Has it ever not been?

>>150755371
>AI
>Creative
nice meme

>>150758417
They're not interchangeable at all. There is a slight difference between them. It's like the word "nigga" and the word "nigger".

>>150758427
He chose to retire.

>>150758342
I agree. If you're going to present a demo to a person, you should know your clientele. They would've received more praise had it been a caterpillar.

>>150758476
Whatever you say normie.

>>150758476
You're so fucking petty

>>150758457

Humans value creativity, not the incipient dominant form of existence.

>>150758371
>He gave his opinion is all
yeah, opinion on an irrelevant point

>>150758555
Get out of here, robot. No bots allowed.

>>150755443
Don't be a fucking autistic retard. His name is huge. He has influenced plenty of artists and helped shape the industry into, well, an industry, by popularizing Japanese animation in the west.

>>150754341
About that particular video, yes, he is very right. AI will never replicate a human's artistic skill and if it did it would no longer be distinguishable from a human, it would have to imitate the human being on the molecular level, have the genetic structure and background of a human, and be raised under the appropriate and spontaneously elusive conditions that even raise a great artist in the first place. Those programmers are just jerking off and looking for a way to be lazy faggots and what they were showing wasn't progress in the slightest.

That said, Miyazaki is too much of a pessimist. He's also an old man who can't get with technology in many ways. His last comments in that video are blown out of proportion and are too general to be taken seriously.

>>150756160
only some of them. Half of them are slice of life snorefests that would get trashed if another studio made them

The guy in denial calling people illiterate really has made this thread interesting. おめでとう

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Miyazaki is just an old hack!

Look at this great CG!

Just retire already grandpa!

>>150758640
Because that's obviously the best CG there is.

It's patently obvious that he hates animation, why didn't he just become a manga artist

>>150758614
>helped shape the industry into, well, an industry, by popularizing Japanese animation in the west.
The anime industry is not dependent on America, his movies didn't really start being seen there until the late 90s and early 00s, and shows like Pokemon and DBZ were much more popular.

>>150758614
>helped shape the industry into
So he helped the idea of harem anime where the mc is a spineless faggot?

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Machine learning fag here.
The demonstration was nothing special. Also, we are still very far from the point where AI can replace hand drawing (or even handmade CGI).
Still, Miyazaki was over reacting. He's like someone who hates anything he does not understand. Current AI doesn't even have a consciousness on its own. Most AI models are 80% hand crafted.
Pic related is the best I can find about AI achievement. It learn to color stuffs differently.
But if you don't provide it the clue (the outline), the result would be generally very muddy.

>>150758713
The fuck does that meme have to do with Miyazaki's movies?

>>150758572
Nah, his opinion was spot on. If that AI is the future, it sure as hell is an insult to life. I don't want that shit anywhere near my sight.

>>150758695
>The anime industry is not dependent on America
Didn't say it was. I said that he helped it. You seriously don't know anything if you're gonna try to deny that.

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>>150754696
>Why is he always so butthurt about anime?
You skip so many facts that you come up with the wrong impression.

Years ago, Miyazaki was originally upset at how the industry was changing as the desire for storytelling and artistry became less relevant than the needs of merchandising. As a result, the storytelling and artwork became more compromised in order to support merchandising and license sales. Characters might wear less appropriate clothing or scenes would be remade differently from the original story in order to support contemporary clothing sales or personal furnishings. Characters may visit convenience stores that look like Family Mart instead of Lawsons. Characters will make certain poses in a forced zany moment.

And what really gets Miyazaki's goat is the tits and ass pandering to the otaku. And you need to understand his context as being more caring about japanese culture and the country than how normal americans are. Anime that panders and thus supports otaku to continue a bad lifestyle is not just bad for them, but bad for the country too. He doesn't say it that way, but if you understood the culture of the old timers and how they see everything in society contributes or non_contributes to the whole, then you'd have the right perspective on the irritation that these codgers have. Years ago, I got a short lecture from one older woman in a Yurakucho shop selling kimono. I was carelessly using paper money instead of coinage just like I do when back home in the USA. Ohh, hoo, she also didn't like hearing that part either about wasteful USA wastrels. Paper money wears out while coins last longer and thus aren't as wasteful to use continually.

So many people in /a/ want to go LOL so perhaps they even deliberately misremember Miyazaki's position or only read what other meme-fountains are mistakenly saying. I guess a lot of those in /a/ are "graduates" of usa schools dominated by the No Child Left Behind Act.

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>>150758671
>Because that's obviously the best CG there is.
It has nothing to do with being the best, it's just that it's representative of the state of CG in modern anime.

>>150758614
So because he's been a influence we're all meant to suck his dick and accept whatever shit he says regardless?

>>150758671
This is what they DID use. In a real anime. Costing real money. Meaning it was considered good enough.

>>150758746
Yes he helped the anime industry but what does that have to do with America?

>>150758764
Polygon Pictures' productions are representative of full 3D anime shows.

>>150758614
>He has influenced plenty of artists and helped shape the industry into, well, an industry, by popularizing Japanese animation in the west.

The west has nothing to do with popularizing anime in Japan. You overestimate his influence because you hear his name all the time here.

Miyazaki has also contributed nothing of value to advance TV anime, where the heart of the industry is. Ironically Takahata is the more influential of the two.

The fact that there are some people in this thread who think Miyazaki is more influential than Tezuka is enough of a sign that they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

>>150758764
>Budget: 30000 yen
>restrictions: no Maya
and this is what you get

>>150754341
He is right, though. 3DCG in all its manifestations is absolute crap.

>>150758756
>And what really gets Miyazaki's goat is the tits and ass pandering to the otaku

Didn't Miyazaki get drunk at one point and rant to Tomino that he wants to fuck underage girls?

>>150758778
What a sperg tier response. No one is saying that or even acting like it.

>>150758791
>Yes he helped the anime industry but what does that have to do with America?
He is fairly popular here. His popularity here was a contribution to it, because it contributed to his studio's growth and continued work, which in turn influenced other artists and opened markets for other studios to tap into.

What a goofy debate. Yeah, Miyazaki is 100% irrelevant and never contributed anything. I can't believe it anon, you truly know better than everyone else!

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>>150758791
>of full 3D anime shows.
Irrelevant since there's only a couple of these per year and they are just passable at best. 90% of CG in anime will look like webm related.

>>150758925
He wasn't talking about that, and he is making a 3DCG movie himself.

3DCG has its uses in anime, it's not all bad.

>>150755307
>It may seem like I am ignoring your human rights to say this
How so?

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>Nobody posts decent CG

>>150758981
>that
>decent
That just looks so unnatural and awful.

>>150758967
>He is fairly popular here. His popularity here was a contribution to it, because it contributed to his studio's growth and continued work, which in turn influenced other artists and opened markets for other studios to tap into.
He is even more popular in Japan. Mononoke broke the box office record in Japan, and then Spirited Away broke it again. He also has several other movies in the all time top 10.

>Yeah, Miyazaki is 100% irrelevant and never contributed anything.
Where did I say any such thing?

>>150759001
There's something funny with the framerate.

>>150758925
> 3DCG in all its manifestations is absolute crap.

Heh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhKTF35L_X8

>>150759016
It's not even that, though there are frame rate problems with most CG. Just look at the floor. It looks like there's a complete disconnect between the character and the ice.

>>150758981
This is alright but it's still somehow stiffer than the taiwanese puppet show I dropped because of the visuals

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>>150759001

>>150759012
>Where did I say any such thing?
It's implied when you and several others act like I am saying the opposite when my original post even pointed out in what ways I think he is also deeply wrong about some of his criticisms. I don't think he's perfect.

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>>150758967
>His popularity here was a contribution to it, because it contributed to his studio's growth and continued work, which in turn influenced other artists and opened markets for other studios to tap into.

This is delusional. Ghibli's survival and popularity in its home country has nothing to do with the west. In fact Miyazaki didn't even make a name for itself here until Spirted Away, and by that time Ghibli was already well-established in Japan.

Miyazaki makes popular movies. Many of its animators became influential through their technhiques. But Miyazaki's movies are not influential because they did nothing to change the trends of the anime industry.

>>150758967
>No one is saying that or even acting like it.
Not saying you did that, but there were indeed people on this thread baffled and offended about others criticizing Miyazaki's recent outbursts regarding the industry or his views as a whole.

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Why did Iron Giant's CG work so well?

>>150759122
Because it wasn't made by retarded japanese people who don't know how to use computers

Ghibli are the normalfag Disney industry in Japan, the sort of movies girls and old people like.

Although these days even normies don't watch them because Ghibli have been shit for the past decade.

>>150759153
TV shows and movies are very different things, and what most 3DCG in Japan is trying to achieve is integration with hand-drawn animation, which is different from what American 3DCG tries to achieve.

>>150759194
Iron Giant was mostly hand drawn, though.

>>150759153
Computers are evil

After watching the video, I understand why Miyazaki has an issue with it.
It's not just that it moves weird. It's genuinely bad animation. The people who thought this was ready to be presented as an example of progress in their field genuinely don't seem to understand what animation actually does.

>>150759187
The Wind Rises was the highest grossing movie of 2013. Marnie was #10 in 2014, but then it wasn't a Miyazaki movie. Kokuriko was #4 in 2011 (also not Miyazaki).

>>150759226
I was talking about American 3DCG in general, not rare exceptions.

>>150759194
But when I watched the 3D in Eva 3.0 it was shit there too

The Japanese are just shit at CG

Disney is trying a new hybrid method with hand drawn overlays on CG characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAI4B_2Mfc

>>150758981
You see, human body is not rigid. It can't stay static when she rotates and moves like that. Even a mediocre animator tries to take muscle movement and body weight into account, or at least use visual tricks to mimic their dynamic.

>>150759362
That's from 2012, and I doubt they're actually going to use it.

>>150759122
Because the incongruities of CGI in a 2D drawn environment actually work with the art style contrast between the real world and a giant fucking robot.

They worked within the artistic constraints of CGI rather than trying to force their way past it was MORE TECHNOLOGY. CGI animation is blocky and angular and so is a giant fucking robot. CGI animation is jerky and unnatural and so is a giant fucking robot. The CGI worked perfectly because it wasn't doing anything other than what it does best.

>>150759364
I'm pretty sure most game engines now support soft body physics. Why don't the Japanese just use that? An anime made in Cryengine

even though he wasnt attacking CG specifically, it is a cancer and there's way too much of it here in the west. even japs are using it little by little to destroy iconic franchises like berserk, cyborg 009, and ghost in the shell. its fucking ugly. Blocky CG 3D anime character models are atrocious and the animation in general is clunky as shit. just let it die and pick up a pen like a real artist.

hopefully his new film will stay traditional 2D animation or even digital 2D.

>>150758981
its still too noticeable and would of been better off just drawing that scene.

>>150759502
>hopefully his new film will stay traditional 2D animation or even digital 2D.
It will be 3D.

>>150759502
>let a technology which is rapidly becoming better die
spot the luddite

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>>150759556
>which is rapidly becoming better

>>150759439
> soft body physics
That's not that you probably think it is.

In any case, Japanese studios want 3D animation that is cheaper and faster than 2D animation, and realistic body models will eat all their budget and animator work hours alone.

>>150759549
until it comes out of his mouth, i dont wanna hear that shit. I know he wasn't happy with his shitty Caterpillar short so its possible he could go in a new direction.

>>150759364
This is the fundamental problem with CGI.
It COULD potentially match hand-drawn animation if they went through the effort of animating and deforming every minor detail of body movements, as traditional animation does by necessity

But it won't, because CGI is used as a cost-saving measure. It's quicker and easier to just give a consistent model a series of geometric transformations to play out in sequence and call it a dance. It looks like shit, but it's 5 bucks of shit vs paying an animator half a living wage. That's why it gets used. Not because it has potential to surpass hand-drawn animation or because it looks good as it is. It's used because it's cheap and easy.

The only thing limiting the spread of CGi production is the standards of the consumers. As long as the consumers won't eat up soulless robot models playing out stiff movements with the thousand-yard stair of uncanny valley eyes, CGI won't become the standard.

In the west, the standards fell so low that the industry was able to skip right over CGI animation and jump right to flash animation, which is somehow unironically worse-looking (and even cheaper!) and nobody gave a fuck. It says a lot that there's been any resistance to CGI in Japan at all considering there was none whatsoever in the west.

>>150759597
Polygon's 3D looks much better and there is also much better 3D in otherwise 2D anime.

https://blog.sakugabooru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/garupost1.mp4

>>150759556
becoming better and still being inferior are 2 different things.

>>150759648
>thinking that looks good
It looks choppy as fuck and hurts my eyes

>>150754794
Anno comment on Shinkai when?

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>>150758936
>Miyazaki get drunk at one point and rant to Tomino that he wants to fuck underage girls?
Stop trolling like all the others putting sperg troll words into their mouths.

Picture: Westernized anime also annoyed Miyazaki

>>150759679
>replying to bait

>>150759679
It does look good, and it isn't choppy.

>>150759720
How the fuck was that bait? Are you completely fucking retarded?

Why do Miyazakifags always sound so aggressive.

Calm down niggas.

>>150759735
>and it isn't choppy.
Get your eyes checked then

>>150759707
Dr Doom is in it?

I want to see it now!

>>150759707
He did though

>>150759757
Get your video player checked.

>>150759648
>garupan CGI
>good
For the record, the tanks in garupan are passable not because the CGI is good, but because the incongruous CGI contrasts comically with the rest of the show's artstyle. They were going for "intricately detailed blocky warmachines in pictaresque cartoony environment" and CGI suited that quite well since it already emphasizes a contrast to the style of the traditional animation in its environment.

Garupan's CGI was shitty overall but there were no audience expectations for good CGI because the CGI blended into the intended presentation holistically. The fact that it looked bad worked with the offbeat humour of the series.

Also someone post that intro sequence from the beginning of the first episode.

>>150758981
>not posting show by rock or etotama
jesus come on man cg can be good

>>150759735
yeah those ps1 1/2 graphics are gorgeous. i must be a complete fucking retard. in no way is it a bockly pile of clunky mess.

>>150759648
Those tanks would benefit from better lighting/shading and more interesting textures... Whoops, they would need a hi-poly model with lots of animated parts to match that.

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>>150755749
Excuse you?

>>150759793
>garupan CGI
>good
That scene displays a good use of 3D.

>They were going for "intricately detailed blocky warmachines in pictaresque cartoony environment" and CGI suited that quite well since it already emphasizes a contrast to the style of the traditional animation in its environment.
They used 3D because realistically there is no way to do GuP with 2D animation. That's it.

>>150759806
>>150759824
The objective is to make the tanks blend in with 2D animation, not make them look as photorealistic as possible.

So does /a/ hate GuP now as well?

Anime shouldnt be CG. sure minor things like cars and some background may benefit from the CG, but characters and the animation should always be 2D. It just looks much better.

>>150756548
>The content of his films

Irrelevent.

>people being inspired to become anime professionals

I'll give you that, but that by itself doesn't make Miyazaki stand out anymore than your typical anime. Mobile Suit Gundam for instance was far more influential of a work than anything Miyazaki has ever made.

>>150759870
>That scene displays a good use of 3D.
You must be blind.

Reminder that just because you enjoy a creator's work does not mean you have to like the creator.

>>150759879
>Irrelevent.
No.

>>150759892
No, you just hate GuP.

>>150759892
you are just throwing bait everywhere
>>150759642
>flash anime
pls no

>>150759877
>>150759877
objectively true. although id argue CG doesnt have the same attention to detail when it comes to backgrounds like 2D does.

>>150759870
> The objective is to make the tanks blend in with 2D animation
And they don't.

>>150759870
>They used 3D because realistically there is no way to do GuP with 2D animation. That's it.
Finally someone understands
Image how impossibly high the budget would have to be to do all the tank scenes in 2D
And it would look a lot shittier too

>>150759962
it already looks shitty

>>150758981
>Nobody posts decent CG
>posts awful CG
anon what are you doing

>>150759942
>No.

But it is.

>>150759959
They blend in reasonably well.

>>150759739
Because they are so up themselves that they can't acknowledge anything that disagrees with their opinion.

>>150760005
But it isn't, and it's completely absurd to claim it is.

>>150760001
there's no such thing is decent CH in anime. Until someone can post proof, i'll always assume they're just being retarded. plus even if there was "decent" CG, you'd be a retard to even want it over hand drawn. It's just laziness

>>150760053
>laziness
>not wanting studios to do more in less time and money
TRULY a luddite

>>150760095
quality > quantity

>>150760053
>It's just laziness
GuP is a practical impossibility with 2D. Shots using 3D environments can be done with 2D but they take longer and look more simple and incongruent than 3D.

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>>150754407

>>150759962
> Image how impossibly high the budget would have to be to do all the tank scenes in 2D

I want to be a director and make a fierce 2D animated tank combat without stupid 3D flybys to prove you wrong, but alas.

Also, watch some 80s stuff. Watch TTGL, for fuck's sake. Pretty intense mecha action is possible when you have competent animators that don't just draw cute girls.

>>150760123
>argues that even if the quality of cg was the same as hand drawn, he prefers hand drawn
the reason
>quality > quantity
a Luddite and a retard

>>150758371
>it's called tough love
No, it's called Miyazaki being a crybaby because he got triggered that his cripple friend was less human than a shitty AI

Why can't people disagree with his opinion? Just curious anons because it seems if you don't have the same opinion you'll get shitted on.

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We've come a long way from this.
>>150760180
>what are better textures and shading

>>150760212
He created anime so he's absolute

>>150754341
Clickbait title.

>>150760212
If you shit on a shitty opinion, nothing really changes.

>>150760212
His opinion in this case happens to be objectively correct and indisputable.
It's not that disagreeing with Miyazaki specifically is bad. It's that disagreeing with the objective, indisputable truth he happens to be espousing as his opinion here is bad because disagreeing with the obvious truth would make you retarded.

We're shitting on you because you're a retard

>>150760042
What shows have his movies actually influenced specifically? Most of them aren't original stories or ideas to begin with.

even despite how CG has fucked with some of the best anime out there, there are still people in this thread defending it. it truly is disgusting. i dont even think its trolling at this point. honestly believe they are being genuine.even after we've seen berserk, there are people who still think it's a good thing. even vampire hunter D which is one of the most beautifully detailed 2D animated films ever created is now going to be CG, and people here will defend that. are people really this mentally ill? How the fuck does one become this way?

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>>150760180
Great, now try duplicating all the tank sequences in GuP--of which there are a shitload--with 2D animation. It can't be done. It would take an eternity.

>competent animators that don't just draw cute girls.
Right, anything involving cute girls must be incompetently animated.

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/22678
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/20710/

>>150760258
But I couldn't careless if CG is good or if it's bad.

>>150760258
>His opinion in this case happens to be objectively correct and indisputable.

You can't even articulate his opinion correctly, dumbfuck.

The only retard here is you and your legion of deluded fanboys.

>>150760185
cg would never come close to 2d in terms to quality.