Sakuga How much do you care about the layout in your sakuga

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>While at Disney studios in the early eighties I showed Miyazaki's Lupin T.V. episodes on vhs tape to a room full of very staunch "classical" animators. They were astonished and enthralled, even though the animation was on 3's and the lip sync wasn't spot-on. It wasn't the quality of the animation they were responding to. Bill Kroyer made the comment regarding what made the films work: "it's 90% layout".

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>I need nice shot and composition that makes the anime really cinematographic, it's like another dimension.
yeah I know what you mean op

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>>150746628

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>>150746648

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>>150746670

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>>150746687

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>>150746704

>>150746095
Sure, scenes with careful thought put into the framing makes things a lot more visually appealing. Good animation normally goes hand-in-hand with competent layouts at least, it's hard to think of a well-animated scene with shit layouts.

If you list all the things that make up an anime and rank them by how much it influences my enjoyment of anime, sakuga would be at the bottom. Shot composition is a bit higher up (above plot at least), but not near the top.

I still much prefer things like character interactions, music, narrative, and good VAs with a great director behind them.

>>150746737
Can't think of it yeah since one in a foundation for the other, but even if it existed I don't think it would work. When the reverse seem to work, minimal animation with thoughtful framing, if the layout is only that (I don't think so but my understanding of that role is yet exhaustive)

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>>150746841

>>150746722
I hope you're happy. I've started watching this shit from the start just to appease your dedication.

>>150746781
Yeah as said the best is to have the whole, but animation (in the "sakuga community" sense for animation seems a bit void, when good layout helps for the mood and mood alone can nearly make a narrative when well used (Tenshi no Tamago for example, or Lain, a lot of Lain's mood come from the angles I guess).

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>>150746860
why wouldn't you want to watch the best looking TV anime of all time

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>>150746903

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>>150746949

>>150746949
I hope you know no one saves your stupid Naruto cinegrids.
You can spam them as much as you want, but you still have shit taste.

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>>150746974
is it my fault you all have a bad eye for these things?

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>>150746992

>>150746992
What's your endgame?

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>>150747030
enlightening everyone to naruto's MASTERFUL VISUAL DIRECTION through a cinegrid that speaks volumes, what else?

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>>150747052

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>>150746890
Lain is a great example. Its one of the few anime where I feel like the visuals played a huge part in how much I enjoyed it, though not as big as the sound direction.

>>150747052
what release group do you use

>>150747052
Can you just go full cancer already and get a trip, so then at least I can filter you?

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>>150747102
crunchyroll

>>150747129
how am i cancer?

i thought this was the cinegrid thread?

why are you so butthurt?

>>150747129
muh safe space

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>>150747129
also filtering is the 4chan version of downvoting btw

>>150747201
btw, no it's fucking not.

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>>150747248
it is though

don't be mad that naruto looks better than your favorite anime

>>150746781
I agree that directing is king, but animation comes a close second to me. This is an animated medium after all, so animation should be given importance or it's a pointless use of the medium.

>>150747150
>why are you so butthurt?
Because I'm sick of seeing you spam these ugly fucking Naruto grids every goddamn day.

>>150746860
Just read the manga if you really want to experience the story. Only a handful of episodes are worth watching for the production values.

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>>150747287
how are they ugly

like i have yet to see you post anything that comes even close to the aesthetic brilliance of naruto

>>150747315
>experience the story
It's fucking naruto.

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>>150747349
reminder that the pain arc is the greatest shonen arc of all time

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Your Naruto grids are nice but I can't get into the characters too bad for me I'm at ~50 of the first series

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>>150747534

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>>150747570
But Naruto really starts fast and strong with that Zabuza arc

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>>150747570
>>150747534
that reminds me i need to rewatch the land of the waves arc

>>150746095
So basically what you want is good manga directly copypasted onto storyboards.

>>150747287
Dude, at this point you should just report and/or filter these thread. Visual direction/ sakuga threads are just recycling the same old stuff these days. Actual discussions of visual directions or sakuga don't really happen in these threads anymore.

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>sakuga

>>150748095
Sakuga" as it's known today is pretty much following Twitter / sakugabooru and hyping staff lists. If you want to not suck cocks I'd suggest learning basic film and literary analysis and come up with your own ideas on how animation supports a certain scene.

>>150748141
Most people don't want to sound like faggots by starting to say they're more interested in the real stuff than so called sakugafags

And most people don't anyway, it's a creator thing, why would you be interested in that if not for using it yourself

>>150748316
I don't know how this relates to my post and the fact that OP actually wasn't even talking about sakuga.

>>150748162
She should be holding a copy of The Animator's Survival Kit.

>>150748466
I just pasted a pertinent post I found on the archive that supports my argument.

For something more related to what you said, well, most manga panels are designed like film shots, you could take most of them and it would fit okay in a TV. After this, some things don't fit, like the comedy panels from FMA adapted in FMA:B (or Hellsing Ultimate), in my opinion. There should also be a reinterpretation for animation because it does not always perfectly reads well.

But I prefer when there's a reinterpretation by an inspired staff like >>150746196

There's not one valid way to do things but there are numerous bad ways

>>150746095
Are you aware that those are just colored panels from the original manga with some cropping?