What's this girls deal?
Crashing this flip, with no flappers.
>>150721198
Evil Papika.
>grandma was actually a robot
And here I was thinking that twist would be too dumb to be true. Other than that decent ep, that makes two in row.
Every thread until you like it
anyone have a link to a previous thread?
shit show, right?
Granny BTFO
>>150721220
bad ending incoming
>>150721277
AOTY actually
This is one of the most powerful scenes I have seen in quite awhile.
>>150721220
What is this expression trying to convey?
Final boss who? Mimi or Twintails, my money's on twintails.
>>150721307
Since Nanoha A's?
>>150721318
It's mimi's expression coming through Cocona's form because she feels truly empty now.
>>150721322
This "stock scifi teenage drama" PI is fucking me up senpai.
>>150721353
Nah twintails and even Yuyu looked like they were reaching their limit with KKK's orders, mark my word the klan gonna get fucked by their own creations before long.
>>150721359
Adult Papika next ep certainly hints at there being more to this than we've been told.
Yuyu > Yayaka > Iroha > Mimi > Sayuri > Nyunyu > Papicuck >>> Cockona
>>150721220
Mandatory reply:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4
They really upped the facecheeks in this episode and the last. I approve.
>>150721387
Yayaka > Sayuri > Cockona > Papicuck > Yuyu > Iroha > Mimi >>>>>>>> Nyunyu
>>150721318
>>150721220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-deFrlrmzU
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Papika, is in fact, Papikana, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Mimi plus Papikana. Papikana is not a flip-flapper unto herself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Mimi system made useful by the Cocona corelibs, Bu-chan utilities and vital system components comprising a full flip-flapper as defined by Pure Illusion.
Many factions run a modified version of the Mimi system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Mimi which is widely used today is often called “Cocona”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Mimi system, developed by the Fli-Fla Project. There really is a Cocona, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Cocona is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the resources to the others. The kernel is an essential part of a flip-flapper, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete Pure Illusion. Cocona is normally used in combination with the Papikana system: the whole system is basically Mimi with Papikana added, or Papikana/Mimi. All the so-called “Cocona” distributions are really distributions of Papikana/Mimi.
>>150721544
this
>>150721291
So who is Cocona's father? Dr. Salt or Papikana?
>>150721673
So who is going to kissu who now?
>>150721664
I'm betting on Salt.
And he wants the amorphous to bring her back or something.
>>150721664
>this is still a question
They don't call her Papicuck for nothing.
>>150721220
Do you feel like a hero yet?
>>150721352
Excellent observation. Those feelings of emptiness have been snowballing since the "Mad Max" episode and were Shinji Ikari'd hardcore this episode.
IN PURE ILLUSION
GIRLS BECOME DEMONS
Time for retribution.No greater good. No just cause.
>>150721318
Now I've lost it. I know I can kill.
>>150721835
Writer 2 >>>>>>> Writer 1, right?
>tfw flipflap could have been a success if Writer 2 was in charge since the beginning
>>150721751
This is like a bad dream
AOTS?
>>150721879
>Flip Flappers changes writers
>Flip Flappers suddenly becomes god tier
>/a/ will STILL deny that the beginning was shit and the reason for the low sales
>>150721919
AOTY
>>150721919
AOTY.
>>150721879
It would have been the same story either way. They are clearly writing the oshiyamas plan.
>>150721919
AOTY
>>150721933
>>150721938
>>150721955
That's great news! Let's go on an ADVENTURE!Surely nothing can go wrong
>cocona = snake
>yayaka = ocelot
>papika = miller
>>150721962
I love this show and you, I wish we could all go on a magical adventure together.
>>150721919
Not even top 3It's top 5 GOAT
>>150721919
Can't we wait? The ending will decide, there is much that can go wrong and right.
Will we ever find out about Bu-chan? Whose brain is it?
>>150721967
>cocona = shinji
>papika = asuka
>yayaka = green power ranger
>>150721544
10/10
>>150721967
>cocona = Arthas
>yayaka = Jaina
>papika = Uther
>>150722507
Cooking with Cocona when?
FliFla would've benefited an incredible amount from being 2 cour.
>>150722532
fucking lol'd
>>150722601
This is so true it hurts. Will we at least be getting Instrumentality soon?
>>150722693
If Nyunyu beats the shards out of Cocona, maybe.
>>150722738
Did Cocona's kaa-san explode into colorful blocks and that's why they need to collect them all? Does this mean that Mimi is the ruler of PI now?
Friendly reminder in case you were wondering if Papika knew about the implications.
>>150722601
>even more filler episodes
>even worse QUALITY
No, just no. Being 1 cour forced them to get to the point instead of continuing to beat around the bush about stuff everybody already realized a century ago.
>>150722601
I think a lot of recent shows would do best not as a full 2 cour but a cour+3 or so episodes.
I've seen way too many shows that feel rushed and underdeveloped or have an unbalanced distribution of plot.
>>150722601
Honestly, this is paced pretty alright so far, provided they handle the rest right. Otherwise it may end up just like Charlotte.
>>150722601
Some more PI-hijinks episodes would have been nice.
>>150722601
Nope. It's fine as a one-cour.
>>150722765
wtf I hate papika now
>>150721220
>>150721437
>Magical Girl Evangelion
Salt wants to use Pure Illusion to bring Mimi backSeeing as Cocona is his and Mimi's daughter.
>>150721919
Hibike is my AOTS but this one is a close second so far.
>>150722779
The production quality of this series has been high throughout.
>>150722954
On one hand I'm hoping Salt isn't Cocona's dad because we already predicted that. On the other, I wouldn't mind having a reunion scene of Salt embracing Cocona or something like that.
>>150722978
More episodes would have probably diluted said quality. Keep it short and intense.
>>150722954
Papika is kinda like Evangelion manga Mari Makinami
>>150722993
>because we already predicted that
There's nothing wrong with the story being a bit predictable in my opinion, especially when you're watching it week to week with plenty of discussion in between.
>>150721318
I know, I know I've let you down
>>150723088
It all flaps to nothing.
It all comes flippening down, flippening down, flippening down.
>>150721922
Beginning was great, shit sales are because Japan has no taste and buys dumb shit like SAO or Meme:Zero while masterpieces like this or Mawaru Penguindrum get rejected
>>150721437
Just this song at the last scene starting from 2:16 begins to play as the episode fades out..
If Papikana or Yayaka weren't lying bitches, Cocona wouldn't be flipped so hard
>>150723121
Make it "flips" and "flappening" and it sounds better.
>>150723138
Papika and Papikana didn't lie though.
If Yayaka hadn't lied, they wouldn't be friends in the first place.
>>150723138
Both Yayaka and Papika were about to come clean this episode, they're more victims of terrible timing.
>>150723133
Penguindrum was sold more or less okay, 5k average not great but not that bad
c3-bu despite having mediocre ending actually deserved some sales
I... I wrote a song for Cocona.
You are my Sanju san
My only Sanju san
You make me happy
When skies are grey
You'll never know, dear
How much I love you
Please don't take my Sanjusan away
I hope she'll like it.
How badly is Flip Flappers selling, exactly?
>>150723225
>c3-bu
>deserved some sales
fuck off
>>150723198
>they're more victims of terrible timing.
Or rather terriblewriting.
>>150722978
>characters tend to have eyes and mouth all over the place, whenever it's not all stills
>action is mostly a clusterfuck of jaggy blobs, motion lines and explosions
Oh come on. I like the visual style, but you have to admit it's made on a noodle budget.
>>150721452
NewNew was cute. I want her to team up with Yayaka to fuck up the twins and KKK. She's probably gonna be super evil though.
>>150723242
Urusai!
This episode is a story all about how Cocona's life got flip-flapped upside down.
>grandma is a spy
>yayaka is a spy
>papika is a spy
Who's not a spy in Cocona's life? Uexll and Iro-senpai?
>>150723366
>Uexll
>implying
He's not even a rabbit. What the fuck is he?
I guess you can argue that he's at least loyal, but that didn't stop Yayaka...
>>150721744
A real human bean
>>150723299
>I have no clue about animation at all
>>150723366
>Iro abandoned her
>Flip Flap using her to get shards
>Papika using her as a substitute
>Yayaka spying on her for KKK
>KKK want to cut her
>Grannie attacked her
>Mother steals her body
Uexkull is the only person who she does not feel betrayed or attacked by. That will probably be important later when he shows up in her time of needdead as a doornail.
>>150723299
This is probably bait, but
>what is webgen sakuga
I bet you thought the parent deformities in episode 6 and the world fading scene in this episode was QUALITY rather than a stylistic choice.
>>150723328
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
>>150723446
Are you upset I insulted your favorite anime? Really, take those rose-tinted glasses off, or kill yourself.
>>150723366
Well, Cocona betrayed her senpai trust and forcibly changed her personality
So she deserves everything bad happening with her
>>150723492
>i'm "high-functioning"
>>150723500
It was an honest mistake though.
Like the difference between murder and manslaughter.
>>150723556
stop replying you idiot
Has /a/ finally gotten over the fact that the plot is here now and we aren't getting and more PI adventures? OR are you /a/nons still slitting your wrists because you didn't see the story coming.
>>150723700
We're gonna get one more
>>150723450
That would be absolutely brutal, I like it.
>>150723700
There's no way there won't be a final henshin fight. Maybe even Yayaka will get a henshin.
>>150721307
You have got to be kidding me.
Like, is this the only anime you've watched "in quite awhile" because while I'm enjoying Flip Flappers, that statement reeks of bullshit considering the other scenes this season/year that have moved me a great deal more than that one.
>>150721919
Maybe, we'll see how the last 3 episodes go.
I'm my top three is now this, ping pong girls and hibike, in no particular order.
>>150721835
Those memequotes are trailers are so much better than the actual game.
Place your bets
http://www.strawpoll.me/11831684
>>150723700
The fact Mimi is able to go PI herself actually increased the possibility.
>>150722779
>forced to get to the point
>beat around the bush for like 9 episodes anyway
>>150723181
Nigga please, Papika isn't as dumb as she plays out to be, she deceived Cocona as well and certainly didn't mention or denied knowing a lot of things Cocona either wanted to or should have known about.
>>150723700
It's hard to say, but adult Mimi looks fine here. Why did Papikana age so poorly?
>>150723700
What episode was this?
>>150724097
>Papikana's face when no lesbian gf
>>150724090
>she deceived Cocona
This bullshit again
I'm going to call you CoconaAnon from now on. See you next week, drama queen.
>>150723492
No you simply have no clue what animation entails and probably call smears QUALITY
>>150724062
But EoE was a happy ending.It's gonna be Akira Manga ending
>>150724197
>No you
Nice argument, faggot. Anything other fallacies you'd like to pull out of your ass?
>>150724285
mou yamete, bait-san.
>>150724360
Your autism is sickening. Shouldn't you be receiving treatment somewhere without computers?
>>150724380
anon you have to stop trying to hurt others
Would you feel better if we went on a magical adventure?
>>150723299
Literally no idea what you are talking about animation is far better than the norm in this show.
>>150723868
>I had a different reaction to someone else... there must be something wrong with them!!!
>>150721198
Cute, guileless and has a mindset different to YYK
Time to clean out my predictions folder.
>Everyone is an aspect of Mimi except for YYK, PPK, and CCN who are children of Mimi.
I think we can safely rule this one out.
>>150724814
You can't rule YYK being an illegitimate child of Mimi with Papikana.
>>150721744Kaz, I'm already a demon
You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you still remember dreaming? That’s where I’ll always love you. That’s where I’ll be waiting.
Turned out they wanted Cocona, not Papika. Also OVAs.
Only two of 10 to eliminate. Wish I'd started collecting them earlier.
>>150724863
We also can't rule out that all the flashbacks and things aren't just illusions and deceptions of Mimi as she tries to maintain control of her nursery. But it seems unlikely.
But I would love for Cocona and Yayaka to be sisters if they work in a star wars reference.
It's not like these episodes are bad, but since the writer switch it veered sharply back into "regular anime" territory from "surreal fantasy adventures," which is kind of disappointing. I feel like at least a LITTLE adventure could have been preserved.
>>150721919
Hold on your dick for a little longer, faggots.
I know you guys wanna say that, but we should decide it after the show ends.
I want Dr. Salt's backstory. Why did he change so much?
>>150725005
If they keep up the craziness it could still swing back into surreal fantasy adventures, which is what I'm hoping for. The last five minutes of this episode gave me some hope.
>>150725005
Has nothing to do with writer change and you are clueless if you think it does.
Is yayaka going to be okay?
>>150725058
Losing a wife and kid, and sacrificing the lives of unknown numbers of kids trying to get wifey back.
>>150725058
I wonder what he and Papika talked about in the present, when he said they needed to talk.
>>150725058
His wife died or became trapped in PI.
>>150725085
The instant it happened, the bog-standard anime line "I want to protect the things I care about!" came in again. Such lines were notably absent from the rest of the show.
>>150725058
>I want Dr. Salt's backstory. Why did he change so much?
And how has Papika not aged at all? Papika is apparently old enough to be Cocona's mother.
>>150725081
>Mimi escapes in to Pure Illusion chased by NyuNyu
>Papika and Yayaka have to reduce impedance to follow them
>Can't find any common ground between them until they realise "We both feel the same way about Cocona"
>Final and super trippy battle in PI begins
>>150725150
That was a genre reference.
>>150725204
>>150725213
Either she gets better or everything goes to tang. I know which one I'd prefer.
>>150725240
nyunyu and ascelpius are going to turn everyone into pepsi blue and only OUR HEROES can stop her
YOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>150723314
She was already a demon
Tight. Ass.
>>150725179
Well, there are many possibilities.
Maybe experiments on her slowed down her aging. Or travelling through PI searching for Mimi did.
Or this isn't her 'normal' body and she transfers conciousness when she wants.
>>150725150
And every line would have been approved by the same director.
>>150725276
Her ass can squeeze just as hard as her robot hand.
>>150725213
Daikirai
This really stung to hear.
>>150725252
>pepsi blue
Personally, I think they're going to go with a purple Kool-Aid flavour.
>>150725179
When the Mimi shards exploded through Pure Illusion they accidentally altered the fabric of reality so that Papika would be a child again and lose her memories of Mimi, for whatever reason
AOTY
>>150725405
There are really many possibilities. The old papika could be dead and the new one a clone.
I would love to see /a/ flipping its shit when Salt on-screen fucks Cocomimi, but I guess this isn't this kind of a show.
>>150725465
Maybe this Papika is a robot
>>150725385
Well, Cocona was betrayed be almost everyone, and the last living being she can rely on is a green rabbit.
>>150725385
My girlfriend said that to me once
>>150725385
I thought that was pretty well done. Probably my favorite moment in the episode.
>>150725465
>The old papika could be dead and the new one a clone.
She has her memories so no
>>150724219
This. Cocona will go berserk at some point.
>>150725586
Akira manga ending was happy too.
>>150725621
Just for one of the MCs.
>English is a West Germanic language that was first spoken in early medieval England and is now a global lingua franca
>It is the third most common native language in the world, after Mandarin and Spanish
What did they mean by this?
>>150725631
I recall Kaneda, his waifu, half of his friends, the old soldier guy, and the THICC soldier lady survived, along with a whole lot of civilians. That's pretty good.
>>150725647
Wrong screencap.
>>150725673
>womens
Pff.
>>150721198
>>150721230
She looks and acts alot like Papika. I wonder if she is a Papika's clone or something
>>150725673
>>150721452
Top taste
>Are ya winning, son?
>>150725752
But of course!
>>150721318
"fuck my shit up, senpai"
>>150725621
A very different kind from EoE happy or "regular" happy though
So, is this Eva but good?
>>150725752
TOUUUUZEEEN
>>150725667
It was pretty much a coral story, but Kaneda and Tetsuo were clearly the MCs, and things didn't end quite well for Tetsuo.
Also, Chiyoko (the huge lady) was unkillable.
>>150725673
>mans
>womens
>>150721318
It's the "My friends aren't my friends and my grandmother is a robot" look
>>150725864
Tetsuo returned to sanity at the end, which I count as a victory.
>>150721855
The truth is hidden beyond PI.
>mfw this episode
We were right about everything, damn.
I... I wrote a song for Cocona.
Wake up
Grab a brush and put a little makeup
Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup
Why'd you leave the keys upon the table?
Here you go create another fable
Cocona wanted to
Grab a brush and put a little makeup
Cocona wanted to
Hide the scars to fade away the shakeup
Cocona wanted to
Why'd you leave the keys upon the table?
Cocona wanted to
I don't think you trust
In, Coconas, self righteous suicide
I, cry, when Cocona deserves to die
GRANDMA (GRANDMA), GRANDMA (GRANDMA)
GRANDMA (GRANDMA), GRANDMA (GRANDMA)
Grandma, into your hands I commend my spirit
Grandma, into your hands
Why have you forsaken me?
In your eyes, forsaken me?
In your thoughts, forsaken me?
In your heart, forsaken me? Oh
Trust in Coconas self-righteous suicide
I cry when Cocona deserves to die
In Coconas self-righteous suicide
I cry when Cocona deserves to die
I hope she likes it.
>>150725673
Why do they have a Mech that can levy taxes?
>>150725939
But who is Kaori?
>>150725991
why did you do this
>>150725967
>We were right about everything, damn.
Somehow it seems the producers are really lurking here, like Thomason Area? That's some rare coincidence.
>>150726028
Because I wanted to write a song for Cocona, and hope that she likes it.
>>150726043
>Thomason area
Someone explain this meme to me I missed the early threads
>>150726028
I'm very grateful for all the reaction images Papika gave us.
>>150725991
My player was literally just going through toxicity how the fuck do you people do that?
>>150725967
>We were right about everything, damn.
Who? Give me proof of your predictions.
>>150725991
I... I wrote a song for Cocona.
BITCH BITCH MOTHERFUCKER ALL YOU DO IS BITCH
BITCH BITCH MOTHERFUCKER ALL YOU DO IS BITCH
DROP THE HOS DOWN THE DRAIN DROP YOUR LIFE FOR SOME PAIN
BITCH BITCH MOTHERFUCKER ALL YOU DO IS BITCH
YEAH BOY YOU GOT A SWEET LADY WITH BIG BUNS IN THE FUTURE AND YOU GOT A SIDE HO TOO BUT
BITCH BITCH MOTHERFUCK ALL YOU DO IS BITCH
CRIED TOO HARD, MOM FELT BAD
TOOK CARE OF YOUR PROBLEMS BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T
BITCH BITCH MOTHERFUCKER ALL YOU DO IS BITCH
I hope she likes it.
What will your reaction be when it was revealed Mimi turned Papika into a little girl again so she could legally fuck Cocona, I mean keep Cocona company?
I(not me) wrote a song about Cocona AND Papika, I hope they like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HL-N9oOjcs
>>150726211
Mother of the century.
>>150725967
Not so sure I recall a prediction about Cocona's grandma being a robot
>>150726237
Have you seen the webm of her repeated speech patterns?
>>150726211
Everything was apart of Mimi's keikaku to possess Cocona and take 14 years worth of sexual frustration out on Salt.
>>150725991
I... I wrote a song for Cocona.
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
>WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
WHY A BITCH GOTTA LIE?
Since Papika is some kind of clone/abomination, does that mean we'll get CoconaxYayaka?
>>150725258
What are those flower next to her?
>>150726282
That's some Old Boy level shit.
>>150725567
And that could easily be explained by PI magic. Cocona had magic dreams of her mother.
>>150726340
Stop projecting, Yayaka.
Grandma did absolutely nothing wrong. Homosexuality isn't right, girls can't love girls.
>>150722081
It's Mimi's
Will Yayaka ever be smug again?
>>150726559
Nobody can keep the smugness in the face of NTR.
If I remove Papika's anklet will she grow old?
>>150726237
Someone here guessed it after Ep4, although they were wrong about the specifics. 2ch also guessed.
I'm actually surprised nothing popped up on my search from after that webm was created.
>>150726540
Do you think maybe Uexkull fear for Bu-chan comes from his fear for robots because he was scared of grandma from the start? Note how he seems scared of her in the last episode. And I mean, wouldn't it be weird for her to maintain the farse while Cocona is away? So maybe he knew she was a robot and was scared of her, related Bu-chan to that, and was scared of him too. Maybe that's also why he always wanted to go to school with Cocona, he didn't want to be alone with grandma.
>>150726340
We already have, NyuNyu, Toto, and Yuyu are all clones made with Cocona and Yayaka's combined dna
>>150726043
>>150726076
No big mystery.
>>150725991
Girlish number thread is leaking
Gokigenyo
>>150726604
Fuck anon, that makes sense.
>>150726664
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>>150726357
Don't know their name, but in hanakotoba, they mean"your grandma is a robot".
What was the deal with this pot head? It got an inordinate amount of screen time.
>>150726791
The animators found it hilarious. Also, it didn't look that out of place when Yayaka used it as a gun.
>>150726791
i thought those black handle parts made it look like it was fashioned out of her wire-weapon kit she was wearing.
We are the coconas. We thought we were living a perfect life of magical adventures with a cute pixie girlfriend when in fact she's a 30 yo fat lesbian pedo who had a thing for this "Meme" girl. Now we feel betrayed and realized the cat was a more or less a better choice.
>>150721318
ISHYGDDT
>>150722765
>I'm so glad you are alive
>unlike all the previous ones
She knew everything. All along. She's just pretending to be retarded so other children would rely on her.
>>150726791
>HorribleSubs
It's a dual purpose flowerpot/weapon
>>150726791
They were making sure nobody made the mistake of thinking Yayaka had a chance.
Also, drawing punished Yayaka was probably a pain.
>>150726161
We need more!
>>150726791
>>150727046
Whoever drew ep10's begonias needs to take lessons from Pablo.
They updated the character page. The blank is probably for Mimi.
>>150727046
>one side love
>Papika hated them
She was just regretful, right?
>>150727119
She hated the antiseptics. Her reaction to the art room was the same and there were no flowers there.
>>150727046
>begonia, meaning begone yayaka
>>150726791
It contained some kind of cable that yayaka used. I figure it's some kind of device just repurposed as a vase.
Also OST when
>>150727118
>>150727118
Well, they also needed to fill a space because of the pattern. Who knows, though.
>>150726791
Cocona said Hidaka maid so he hid Yayaka's weapon in it on purpose.
>>150721919
Not even close, but of course the cancerous circlejerk will be vocal about it.
>>150727166
>>150727225
Opinions, but I can't think of another show that delivered so consistently while even being moderately ambitious.
>>150727166
Was that?
>>150727224
It doesn't look like the cables of Yayaka's belt to me. More like a power chord.
>>150727256
>consistently
You sure jest. There are at least 5 better shows this season.
You just like this average trash because of the yuri and fanservice. >>150727264 That's all the "discussion" that there is about it besides all the shit cliche
>>150727291
The cord was coming out from the pot's eye so it didn't seem to have a plug. No idea what it's supposed to be.
>>150727046
Post that again, not online, and see what happens.
>>150727314
>There are at least 5 better shows this season.
Which ones?
>>150727100
Ep. 10 is a different flower though.
>>150727143
I thought it was a power cord, but it's actually the thing's googly eyes. Really weird.
>>150727325
Where else is he supposed to post it, a bulletin board?
>>150727314
Then you shouldn't have a problem naming at least one.
>>150727166
Thank you based KKK
>>150726791
Freaked me out when it started shaking
>>150727368
Spread flyers all over town.
>>150727347
Haikyuu, which is inarguably AOTY (it has a way better consistency), YOI, Natsume Yuujinchou, 3gatsu and coming to think of it FliFla would be 5th
>>150727314
It must be difficult having such poor taste as you do.
>>150727427
Yep. Shit taste confirmed.
>>150726604
I wonder if Uexküll is going to play a role in whatever the fuck is going to happen with Cocona. I mean, he's a rabbit(sort of?), and Cocona now talks in sync with her "reflection"
>>150727427
Interesting coincidence, I watch like 12 shows and I don't watch any of those except FF.
>>150727427
3gatsu is completely out of the running because of its shitty cat song alone, YoI just had 6 episodes of laughable nothing, and Haikyuu and Natsume are comfortable sequels based on long-running manga that offer more of the same and are as such not in the least bit ambitious.
>>150727427
Are you posing as a fujoshit to bait or something? Way too obvious.
>>150727166
>>150727471
>>150727486
>>150727488
None of these are me: >>150727347
I just wanted to know for research purposes.
>>150727427
Two yaoi shows and two "boring" shows. Nice opinion.
>>150727509
Interesting gear. I wonder what those holes dispense.
>>150727488
>3gatsu is completely out of the running because of its shitty cat song alone
I'm sorry but Rei's adoptive sister easily made up for thatFlip Flappers is better though
>>150727351
They are definitely begonias with those leaves. Just badly drawn.
>>150727473
That was Mimi speaking. Cocona was unconscious and would not call herself "mother".
>>150727509
It's a flying saucer. I used to dream of having something like that as a kid.
>>150727427
>says that people only like the show because of yuri fanservice
>while watching Yuri on Ice
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>150727516
Great argument. No wonder no one can actually give a consistent reply here while technically talking about the medium.
>>150727445
>>150727471
>y-you have shit taste
Grow up from your escapism secure blanket, manchild.
>>150727508
You are just schizophrenic, like the rest of your circlejerk. Nevertheless, you also have brain damage.
>>150727514
Ok, try watching Natsume. It's great.
Ignore the fujos
>>150727541
>he didn't fuck her because muh angst
>>150727599
>he didn't fuck her
>>150727509
Why does she have the same eyes as Salt and Cocona?
>>150727627
Cocona clone
>>150727637
Covona is a cross-dressing boy?
>>150727314
I keep watching this because for the animation, which is clearly the best this season.
>>150727618
That was in the past. I meant that episode.
>>150727427
Haikyuu is great as a sports series but with a season focused mostly on a single match it doesn't offer as much in the character department as it otherwise could. (Tsukki's character development hitting a notable point made for a great moment though.)
YOI had a good start but has since really fallen behind both in animation quality and narrative strength. I thought I would welcome the greater relevance of the competitive aspect but it has instead felt like little more than padding while not giving me any reasons to enjoy it for itself. The one show on the list that shouldn't even be in the run for AOTS.
3gatsu is brilliant when it comes to depicting Rei's mental landscape and while I was skeptical at first I'm warming up to how it handles other characters, but its comedy annoys me and the show could do a better job balancing the depressing and comfy parts.
Not watching Natsume.
Flip Flappers is AOTS.
>>150727673
Highly possible, since you know the guys in KKK are all hentai, and they have full control and influence over Cocona.
>>150727599
Maybe he didn't want to get stabbed in his sleep
>>150727549
>That was Mimi speaking. Cocona was unconscious and would not call herself "mother".
But it was voices layered while seeing Cocona's body and just Mimi's voice while seeing only the reflection
>>150721502
DUDE
>>150727838
AMORPHOUS
>>150721502
I WAS GONNA COLLECT FRAGMENTS
UNTIL I GOT HIGH
>>150721919
This, Izetta, Stella no Mahou or 3gatsu. Depends on the next few weeks.
Next episode better answer all the questions.
>>150727711
Oh, and the memes.
>>150727891
Or else?
>>150727755
Mimi has to use Cocona's vocal cords.
>>150723700
Pretty sure the Mimi stuff is over now and we have three weeks of cute PI worlds.
>>150727876
>Izetta
It's going to have a trainwreck ending. Not that it was very good past episode 3, though.
>>150722693
kek'd
>>150727876
Izetta is my The Room for this season, it gets a different kind of OTS.
>>150727876
I enjoy Izetta but it's all kinds of bad. They needed to keep Yoshino on a tighter leash.
>>150727427
Haikyu's first 2 seasons were solid 8/10s for me, although I would probably think lesser of them if I rewatched them now that I've seen much better sports shows like Hajime no Ippo, Baby Steps and Ping Pong.
This season is literally a single match and just doesn't have enough hype, character development, or anything at all. It's still well made because it's Haikyu, so it's not straight up bad, but it's definitely not one of the better shows this season.
Yuri On Ice is surprisingly good even beyond all the gay, and I appreciate that it's forgone the baiting and went full gay. I'd say it's top 3 this season easily.
Natsume Yuujinchou, not watching this so idk.
3gatsu... This shit is Hyouka levels of boring. I could literally use this as sleep aid if I had trouble sleeping.
Fune wo Amu which you haven't mentioned is another show I haven't seen yet, I'll probably check this out once the season is over, but I heard it's good so it might change my opinions when I do.
Hibike would be my pick for the other top 3 show this season. It's initial arc hurt it quite a bit, but it seems to be picking up quite quickly and reaching the quality of the first season.
FLFL is easily the best out of the 3 though.
As for AOTY, I would say there are 3 shows in the running: Rakugo, Luluco and Flip Flappers.
>>150727749
>They use their PI to turn Cocona into a crossdressing boy so she can impregnate Papika
>>150721919
Went from an AOTY contender to potential AOTS this episode, was more fun when it was just two girls fucking around in PI. Didn't mind some of the drama building up in 8 and 9 though, this episode was an exposition episode that explained things that never needed to be explained. The ending's what's going to make this AOTY or AOTS for me.
>>150727963
>the Citizen Kane of bad movies
That's a bit harsh.
>>150727876
Izetta is not only trash storywise, but its animation is also shit. You literally have shit taste.
>>150727264
Will we ever see Mimi's ass that Coconuts and Nyunyu inherited?
>>150727509
I fucking love those frilly skirt things that serve no purpose. Can't wait for her to get into the action.
>>150728203
sadcorecona
>>150721879
In that image it looks like she hanged herself.
Inb4 that's howmimi died.
I miss two Episodes and suddenly everything is going down? I should not have visited this thread.
>>150728203
>26 hours passed
>it still hurt
>>150728439
Papika no
>>150728298
Explain please.
>>150728059
>AOTY
I like these lesbians as much as the next guy but nobody actually thinks this is AOTY right?
>>150727558
Enjoy your fujoshit kid.
>>150728059
Definitely AOTY so far.
>>150727876
>This, Izetta, Stella no Mahou or 3gatsu
Izetta is literally an affront to anime. The story is shit, the characters are shit, the dialogue is shit (everyone basically talks to each other in infodumps like they're complete retards because the writers can't figure out how to convey information in any other way), and the animation is beyond shit.
Stella is fun and comfy, surely a worthy watch, but I wouldn't even put it as top tier comfy.
I actually enjoy 3-gatsu, but it's no masterpiece either. Like some other anon here said, it doesn't do a great job of balancing its humor and angst.
Frankly, there are no real contenders this season. There are plenty of watchable shows, but very few outstanding ones. Ping pong girls is also up there in terms of pure fun (and possible Keijo if you're willing to just sit back and let it wash over you), but nothing really compares to FLFL in terms of overall quality.
>>150727876
Izetta is dumpster fire, Stella no Mahou is roughly the millionth samey Kirara show with absolutely no standout features apart from worse than usual character design, and 3gatsu has gigantic problems with keeping its comedy in check (and besides that it's sad boy is sad because sad things keep happening to him - it finally managed to make an impression last episode and it only did that by turning into Bakemonogatari for half an episode).
The only show I'd consider a contender for being better than FF this season is Fune wo Amu, and that one's just barely as good as Flip Flappers on the writing side while also being nowhere near as fun.
>>150727427
spotted the fat fujo
>>150721919
No.
Soushin Shoujo Matoi is actually AOTS.
Flip Flappers is runner up.
>>150721318
>I hurt myself today / To see if I still feel / focus on the pain / The only thing that's real
>>150721267
>And here I was thinking that twist would be too dumb to be true
It's a reasonable explanation for ep1 twist
>>150729167
What is this even about.
>>150729413
Its this weird magical girl show where girl's magical powers come from the religion they follow.
The main character, Matoi, is from Japan (thus practices Shinto Mythology) and her powers come from the "Myriad of gods" in Japan. She works with this autistic girl, Clarus (a Christian / Vatican representative) whose power comes from one very strong God. They try to exorcise Nights (i.e. demons) from Earth. There's also this weird angle where the highest dimension, Heaven?, is opening but only Matoi can go to it for some reason.
Basically if you're not interested in either: world religions or enf I wouldn't watch it.
>>150729413
It's trying to be a magical girl anime but failing since the girls are straight.
>>150729512
Any anime with YVWH in it but also other religions are real has kind of missed the whole point, so I think not.
Other gods are real, I mean.
>>150729545
>straight
So, Cocona was, as expected, being monitored by Granny, and that little slice of dialogue earlier heavily hinting at it, she's an Amorphous Child, likely created specifically to house the shard of Mimi and gain control of PI.
What about the other Cococlone in the first episode, that Papicuck was speeding away from, as Salto declared "another failure"?
Are BOTH sides trying to churn out clones, or are the Nazis making clones and attempting to wriggle them into Salt's infrastructure as an unwitting, heavily monitored double-agent?
The only real difference is that the Clone had two bracelets, Papicuck has one, Cocona has zeroI think, have we ever seen her bare ankles?
This leads up to a very important question:Is Yayaka our girl?
>>150727509
wtf i love KKK now
Superb choice in costumes. The world would be better off in their hands
>>150729545
Isn't it doing better than FLFL?
>>150729545
>It's trying to be a magical girl anime but failing since the girls are straight.
Flip Flappers?
>>150729698
>implying
>>150729512
I'll immediately pick it up if there is a muslim girl that can blow shit up.
>>150729699
>as Salto declared "another failure"?
It's Papika who said that it was a bust
>Cococlone
It was just a normal girl who Papika tricked and who got killed by just entering PI
>>150729808
>It was just a normal girl who Papika tricked and who got killed by just entering PI
Naaah
>>150729699
>Is Yayaka our girl?
She is for those who have good taste.
Cocona doesn't seem to be an artificial amorphous child like the KKK ones. She's definitely Salt's kid.
>>150729808
>It's Papika who said that it was a bust
I'm remembering that wrong, then. Papika is fucking savage.
>It was just a normal girl who Papika tricked and who got killed by just entering PI
I've seen images with the lighting cranked up, and she had the same hair as Cuckona
>>150729699
>Are BOTH sides trying to churn out clones
No, Flip Flap was looking for Cocona, so they tried to pair up Papika with girls that looked like Mimi's child would look. Mainly straight, blue hair, I guess. I really doubt they're clones.
>The only real difference is that the Clone had two bracelets, Papicuck has one, Cocona has zero
Cocona has a shard in her leg. Flip Flap never saw a need to put an anklet on her.
>Is Yayaka our girl?
Yes
>>150729876
>Mainly straight
>>150729911
Cocona's hair is just partially gay
>Papika gets her memories back
>attempts to reconcile with Cocona as straightforwardly as possible
>we need to talk
>I like you for you
>Cocona ain't having none of it
I'm so upset. I understand why Cocona's acting the way she is, but at the same time, Papika's never not been candid.
>>150729911
Straight, blue and fluffy.
>>150729960
I think being extremely jealous and petty is actually part of Cocona's character, Yayaka must've been her only other friend her entire life
>>150729835
>Cocona doesn't seem to be an artificial amorphous child like the KKK ones. She's definitely Salt's kid.
That could just be down to how they're created.
Yayaka said that they just "happen to run into shards wherever they go", which is a trait that she, as a normal child implanted with abilities, lacks.
That indicated to me they were AC's.
Though, I could buy that she's Salt's kid with Papikana, and Papika is a clone of Papikana.
>>150729960
>>150729960
You forgot about part where Papika literally refuses to tell her about Mimi, twice
>>150730026
>Though, I could buy that she's Salt's kid with Papikana, and Papika is a clone of Papikana.
What the fuck
Why she is so best?
https://a.pomf.cat/jqoxky.webm
>>150729960
I still can't get over how much of a dyke she looks like in her older body.
>>150730105
KKK clothes are not feminine
>>150729545
The uncontested pinnacles of classic mahou shoujo always had heterosexual MC's with only maybe a bit of homo teasing thrown in to add a bit of flavor, never as a main ingredient.
Not that most yurifags would know anything about that since none of them watch good anime.
>>150730251
woops, meant to make a thread. ignore this post
>>150730105
She aged terribly. Her boobs look saggy despite not being big, her hair is a mess and her face becoming longer doesn't look great either.
>>150730026
>Papika is a clone of Papikana
No. Papika = Papikana. "Papika" is the preferred name because Mimi liked it.
>>150729801
There's no Muslim.
I wish there was a Muslim Megumin but there's not. It's just Shinto/Christianity.
>>150730313
Just delete it.
>>150721198
She's undoubtedly the head of the cock-milking branch of their organization.
>>150730251
>>150729960
Can we all agree adult Papika > loli Papika?
>>150730321
That would mean that Papikana hasn't aged whatsoever in the span that Salt became an adult, though.
>>150730105
It's a deconstruction of eternally lesbian JC. Truly designed to flipflap the audience.
This anime reminds me of a phantom world
>>150730318
>cute highschool girl ages like milk into a frumpy forty-year old fishdog
Happens a lot more often than you'd want to think. At least the male gender can now rest easy knowing they didn't miss out on anything.
>>150730265
>since none of them watch good anime
Yet here you are in a Flip Flappers thread.
>>150730476
Yet here you are posting Yuma-chin.
>>150730407
Right, it's a difficult situation, but clone is not the answer.
>>150730265
Well we have Nanoha
>>150730407
THE CURSE OF EVA
>>150730407
Well if we are to believe the preview she actually de-aged
>>150730511
Yeah, real masterpiece you have there.
>>150730508
Her name being Papika tells me that she's more likely to be one, though.
In a setting wherein creating humanoids is possible, it seems reasonable that he would, in an attempt to reconnect with Mimi, remake the person that connected most strongly with her, with a name made more suitable (dropping the Kana, obviously, since everyone thought it made her name weird).
Whereas, we don't know if stopping aging is.
Plus, memory-loss/not initially having the go hand-in-hand with cloning, in most cases it's introduced in fiction.
Everything will be fine. After all, mother is here
>>150730505
It was either her or Chitose.
>>150730636
Vivid Strike was a mistake.
Not evening being ironic.
>>150730637
>clone having memories of the original
Fuck this shit, this isn't Dune.
>>150730682
It's AOTS bud
>>150730691
It's Izetta.
>>150730637
>everyone thought it made her name weird
No? KKK calls her Papikana. Salt also calls her that once. Only Mimi thought of it as weird.
The clone theory is just a bad attempt at resolving the conflict of Papika "cheating" on Cocona and romancing with her mom by creating an artificial discontinuity between multiple Papika personalities.
>>150729545
what happened? I watched up to ep5 or so and the girls are pretty yuri since there's a complete lack of same-age male characters.
>>150730706
No. Her are the undisputable objective mahou shoujo ratings of the season:
>1. Soushin Shoujo Matoi
>2. Flip Flappers
>3. Izetta
>4. Vivid Strike
>5. Brave Witches
>6. WIXOSS
>7. Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku
>>150730748
It's an attempt to salvage the first 9 episodes by circumventing the fact that it was a 40 year old cuckold horsedyke playing yuri make-believe with her best friend's daughter.
>>150730636
Not Nanoha
>>150730823
Are you playing memes now or do you want sincere discussion?
>>150730748
Well, we see an older Papika(or something) in the PV, not to mention the fact that obviously she's the only one that's physically the same age in both time periods, so there's some time fuckery or shenanigans afoot.
Artificial children isn't exactly alien to the setting either.
What did she mean by this?
>>150730811
>WIXOSS
>mahou shoujo
>>150730866
You're delusional if you think anybody cares that Papika had a relationship with Cocona's mom. People are upset because the age-gap makes their friendship weird, and that weirdness bleeds into all of the relationship they've had before this episode. Knowing the truth changes how we see Papika's character for the worse.
>>150730748
>No? KKK calls her Papikana.
Did they? My bad, I forgot that one
>Salt also calls her that once
He did also note it as strange himself, though.
Everyone we've seen forge a genuine emotional tie with Papika has labeled her name strange or odd or weird. The KKK doing so may signal their unawareness that she is a clone, and forced into the assumption she's the original.
I see your points, but granted we know for established fact that creation/cloning is fully possible, and aren't privy to their abilities to impede aging, the clone theory still has some merit.
>The clone theory is just a bad attempt at resolving the conflict of Papika "cheating" on Cocona and romancing with her mom by creating an artificial discontinuity between multiple Papika personalities
I really don't care about that because I'm not a subhuman shipfag or a subhuman papicuck
>>150721318
She has red eyes and can levitate. What do you think? Either that or she just relieved the pressure on her bladder.
>>150730886
The different between PI fuckery and cloning is that the former case retains continuity of Papika's personality therefore making the conflict more serious, while the latter just makes two Papikas separate entities as if Cocona can have an easy way out of the nightmare of being cheated if that is the case. The latter makes te plot cheap.
>>150730811
>Izetta above anything
>>150730913
She was looking for a new PI partner and found one. She used nonspecific language because it wasn't a specific person that she was searching for, just anybody who could take her to PI
>>150730991
Papika being a magical amnesia christmas cake makes the plot cheap. At this point the plot is at a dollar store clearance sale so they might as well just go whole hog.
>>150730946
This really is the problem for me with that revelation. I want to still like it, but the magic of two cute girls adventuring together and discovering their love for each other is in jeopardy. The only way they could save it for me is if Papika's memories turn out to be not her own but her clone source's or whatever she is.
>>150730105
>dyke looks like a dyke
Imagine that.
>>150730748
>at the finale, when cocona is at the height of her powers, she'll use PI to reacreate her family, and split Papika into two beings, her parents friend Papikana, and her own friend Papika
>>150731123
>in the finale Cuckona recreates PI, gives Papika and dildo and tells her to fuck off
>Papika went from a cute and flat puppy to a dogfaced dyke with saggy hagbags
How could they fuck this up so badly?
>>150728439
>>150730991
Animefags BTFO. Never have these problems dealing with REAL WOMEN!
>>150730994
For as much as Yoshino writes shit, the one thing he’s good at is keeping up suspense. At least whenever he doesn’t get sidetracked again.
Izetta requires a ton of suspension of disbelief, even more than the setting would normally require due to Yoshino’s inability to write stories that make sense, but damn if it doesn’t keep me on edge each week.
I felt a little bit disappointed at the whole revelation of who Mimi is. I hope the show will pick itself up on the next episode.
>>150730991
One isn't better that the other. The fact of the matter is that the one Papika we have seen the entire time is having her personality overwritten by someone else, whether that's an older version of herself or someone else entirely isn't really relevant.
What if "our" Papika is a copy of the old Papikana made when she very first entered PI or something?
>>150730946
>People are upset
Speak for yourself
>because the age-gap makes their friendship weird
Because age-gap reveals your insecurity about being a closet pedophile
>>150731187
>the one Papika we have seen the entire time is having her personality overwritten
This. Cocona's Papika is dead now.
>>150731235
Then her having amnesia would be pointless and her dogged dedication to Mimi would be silly
>>150731263
What about later? The point is "our" papika never experienced adulthood
>>150731123
>both adult!Papika and child!Papika are still in love with Cocona
>wacky love triangle shenanigans ensue
>>150731244
>Because age-gap reveals your insecurity about being a closet pedophile
No.
It's that age-gap yuri is objectively an inferior sub-genre of yuri.
And I think most of /a/ agrees.
>>150731244
Now you're just projecting, bud.
>>150721198
>>150725706
I think she probably is some kind of Papiclone.
Mostly because of her attitude, eye shape, and big mouth. Her hair and eye colors are pretty much direct inversions of Papika's too. There's also the pattern on her PI gear which sort of looks like an animal.
>>150730664
Pay no attention to your head being symbolically cut off, your mother is here!
>>150731296
That's fucking retarded and likely bait.
>>150731297
No, I'm just theorizing how you people are so mad at age-gap as if love itself can't be pure.
Explain her purpose in this show.
>>150731244
There’s nothing wrong with being a pedophile.
>>150731296
That's wrong, but in this case I don't like getting age-gap when I was promised same-age.
>>150731312
>opinions that do not align with my own must be bait without exception
Is this your first time outside of a YOI thread?
>>150731348
Final boss.
>>150731348
Yayaka's future girlfriend. >>150702033
>>150731358
It's not even that it doesn't align with anyone's particular kink. It's that it undermines the characters.
>>150731348
That's my gf.
>>150731353
Mimika is ruined for life.
>>150728401
anon mimi was killed in the same kind of explosion cockona created.
>>150729960
I don't get why everybody's saying they're sagging. She's bent over from opening the door, they're hanging exactly where they would be for someone with breasts that large.
>>150731404
>gets you tea if you treat her like shit
Best girl
>>150731389
If you think Yayaka's going to sit still for any of that, you're deluded. She's a cat, afterall.
>>150731439
People are just complaining because best girl got Nisio'd and cow tits at the same time.
>>150730811
> 3.izetta
anon, seriously.
>>150731398
It doesn't undermine anyone but Papika even in theory, and even then we don't know the full story yet. Adult Papika in the preview at least means that there's more to this than "Papika simply never aged and her memories just came back, deal with it".
>>150731439
Every girl in this show was DFC until Papikana came along and fucked it all up.
Liking Papikana now seems like I'm attracted to my own mother or something.
>>150731473
She also got un-best girl'd so we're pretty upset about that too.
>>150731252
Since the returned memories were an effect of the shards of Mimi, I think there is a good chance that "Papikana" will fade away after Mimi is defeated, leaving only the Papika we've known up till now.
>>150730811
>pretending Ikusei isn't based for being an unafraid gorefest
>pretending Shitzetta is above anything
>>150731503
Considering PIs are mostly about how people perceive each other, it might just be how Cocona views Papika with the knowledge she has now.
>>150731353
this manga both intrigued and disgusted me at the same time.
>>150731458
Yayaka is all noise and anger. She'll protest loudly and make a big show, but she won't do anything that might make it stop despite being able to kick Sayuri's ass straight to the moon.
>>150731508
We haven't seen Mimi's bust yet. Hopefully she stayed pure.
>>150731473
>>150731518
But Yayaka's just fine
>>150731508
>Liking Papikana now seems like I'm attracted to my own mother or something.
I think you might be projecting just a bit much
>>150731552
You've never seen a gorefest. MSIK is pretty tame, even for TV anime.
I want Papika to be happy! Papika did nothing wrong!
>>150731550
I don't know if I'd be happy with that outcome either. Papikana shouldn't have to disappear just so Cocona can get her waifu in the end.
>>150731550
This would he an acceptable outcome. Papika choosing to forget Papikana and her former life for Cocona's sake might undo a lot of the damage that this twist has caused
>>150731599
>MSIK is pretty tame, even for TV anime.
Lel no it's not. For a seasonal TV show it's pretty handsy with the violence.
Obviously you can't compare it to movies and OVA's and shit, but for what it is it certainly is.
>>150731656
But it's still in effect denial of reality.
>>150731677
>>150731656
>papika offers to destroy her past self for Cocona
>Cocona has to stop her, and accept Papika for who she is
>>150731508
>Every girl in this show was DFC until Papikana came along and fucked it all up.
So this show will be my second best after Stella no Mahou after all.
>>150731731
>Cocona growns up and accepts mental age-gap
I'll buy this.
>>150731677
If you're going to bring up reality, then you have to account for the fact that a subjectively 40-something woman romancing a 14-year old is unethical and creepy.
>>150731677
How is it any different then when the altered the memories of the art lady? Reality and PI are fluid, one can influence another. Its not so much a rejection as replacing one with another
>>150731731
That's pretty sweet, and it'd be a nice ending if it's what they're building towards. Also it keeps the age gap.
The loss of the mutuality of them growing up together stings still, but this would be acceptable. It gives the whole plot SOME authenticity.
>>150731348
see >>150730104
>Papika is a middle-aged pedo-dyke
>Cuckona is now a transitioning milf
YAYABOYZ WE DID IT
>>150731647
Papika's crime is living a full life ahead of Cocona.
That and somehow thinking after she got her memories back she could just go on and continue to be yuribesties with a girl mentally 1/3 of her age. Shit's creepy when you realize Papika neglected to inform Cocina that the story she was telling happened like 20 years ago and was still spouting "I like you for you" as if this was still some teenage romance.
>>150731768
I actually don't find it that creepy in a fictional setting.
>>150731791
Unless she's still a teenager, the current copy of her is only a month removed from back then.
>>150731768
>a subjectively 40-something woman romancing a 14-year old is unethical and creepy
Speak for your own pedophile insecurity
>>150731809
Me neither, but it becomes a relevant issue if anon is concerned with how realistic the themes are.
>>150731809
But that's still in effect denial of reality
>>150731791
I'm just curious-- have the Japs picked up on this dimension of it at all?
I don't find creepy, just disappointing. They could have made a nice little romance with some drama, they did't have go off the rails like this.
Get your shit together Japan.
>>150731791
But that's the issue isn't it? She can certainly still be "yuribesties" with Cocona, since Papika never was the one that went beyond typical yuribait "REALLY good friends is all *wink*", especially since she's so naive she wouldn't even know what sex is.
The genuine gay lust, if you chose to see it, was all on Cocona's side. And this anime is about Cocona first and foremost.
>>150731886
They're still asking what the nailclippers meant
>>150731705
Shinji was right
>>150701426
If you are still around in Flip Flappers threads,
No, it's not. It already was last saturday, you are late anon.
>>150721387
>>150721452
Yayaka = Yuyu > Cockona > Puppycuck > Sa/u/ri > not-Nui Harime > Meme > Irowho
>>150731841
I'll bite.
Laws against age gap in reality exist for good reasons, which I figured out when I was a teenager. I'm sorry if you're too retarded to have done the same.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy age gap in foction though.
>>150721919
AOTD
>>150731768
Do you have a problem with loli vampires too?
>>150731949
anime of the day?
>>150731915
>Flip Flappers is about a lesbian trapped in a yuri bait world
Its not what I wanted, but fair enough.
>>150731935
You gaijins are projecting too much your own puritan morals onto anime.
>>150731986
Anime of the dimension.
>>150731986
More like AOTYanime of the yesterday
>>150731916
Will they ever let the nailclippers go
>>150731911
>THEY COULD DO SHIT WE SAW 10000000000 TIMES, WHY THE FUCK DIRECTOR WANTS TO DO SOMETHING HE LIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
End yourself
>>150731786
>a liar delusional enough to believe her own lies
You sure did it.
>>150731935
We don't have hoverboards or robot grandma but no one cares about that, why care about a gap in age. This is not the real world, this is fiction. In fiction love can conquer all, even age. Let go of your insecurities and just ride the emotional wave. If they love each other and it works so be it.
Would you really deny a person with this face the love of their life?
>>150731911
Obviously the cultural differences are too strong. We don't really get them and they don't get us.
Maybe this new generation of western animators coming up, AFTER goddamned rebecca sugar, can do what we all want.
>>150731348
Being mad scientist's loyal partner.
>>150732040
>DIRECTOR WANTS TO DO SOMETHING HE LIKES
He could've just told us he likes EVA, he didn't need to waste a whole season on it.
>>150732065
It's not a matter of believability, but of emotional investment.
>>150732065
>why care about a gap in age
t. Literal Pedophile
>>150732092
I dunno, in japan slavishly ripping off things that came before seems to be something of a noble profession.
>>150731776
There have been quite some stings already in their relationship. All Cocona will need is a little bit of suffering for Papika before she realizes her heart.
>>150732065
>In fiction love can conquer all, even age.
Not like that's different in reality. Love has nothing to do with age.
>>150732105
And not at all ashamed of it.
>>150732065
Don't be fooled. Internally she's thinking "oh, yes, I've finally earned her confidence. I hopes she lives long enough to collect all the fragments. Looking for a new partner is such a nuisance.".
>>150732127
This isn't about love, but their character dynamic. I feel like we're all talking in circles right now. Maybe we should agree to disagree and get back to funposting.
>>150732065
I'm the person you're replying to and I totally agree. I'm still rooting for Papicoco end no matter what they do with the age-gap angle.
Papika should have punched Cocona in her bitchy little mouth right then and there.
inb4 Cococucks swoop in to defend their perfect angelic princess.
>>150732168
Maybe Cocona will turn evil and Papika has to go to deep-PI to punch Cocona out of her sense again.
>>150731915
You'd have to be blind to not see that the feelings they had for each other, whatever they were, were mutual. That all died to fucking death once Papika regained her memories but it was at least genuine prior.
I'm not here to ship preteens, but the relationship they shared was important both to Cocona as a character and to the plot of each individual episode. All of that is in the dumpster now. The director threw the rest of his show in the trash.
>>150732168
Even though Papika is over twice her age, she is still a perpetual womanchild. She doesn't have it in her to smack down Cocona and tell her whats what.
>>150732168
She's far from perfect but her actions are 100% justifiable for her whole life being a complete lie.
>>150732157
I'm probably one of the strongest arguers of the age gap just being wrong (though I don't get the people saying it'd be creepy even with some context to sett it up) in these threads and I totally agree with this sentiment.
>>150732168
You mean Cocona should've punched Papika
>>150732092
There nothing similar to eva in this show
Cancer like you ruined anime
I think I'll add age-gap to this list now
>writer change
>web gen
>yuniko
>is this really necessary
>amazon stalker
>visual storytelling worse than citizen kane
>not even top 3
>yuribait
>phantom world 2.0
>age-gap
>>150732065
The pro-age gap fags are the ones who brought realism into this discussion, anon. The response was that if they're going to make an issue out of realism in fiction, they have to address the issues of the age gap realistically. If the response to that is "but it's fiction" then the original criticism falls apart completely.
We don't have an issue with age gap because its unrealistic. Read back up the reply chain if you need to reaffirm context here
>>150730044
Refuses is not the same thing as "I have no idea what's happening because my memory is fragmented as fuck right now".
>>150732312
This anon gets it.
>>150732231
Why would I mean that?
>>150730811
>implying Matoi and FF don't share first place
>Ikusei Keikaku that low
>Vivid Strike that high
>Izetta that high
>Izetta in the list at all
>>150731915
>And this anime is about Cocona first and foremost.
It's specifically about the changes in Cocona's life, and the fact that we have more "actual text" (i.e., plotty plot plot) now doesn't mean there is no longer a place for subtext. People love to compare this episode to Evangelion and the entirety of Evangelion was told this way - a metaphor for coming of age (and in partcular how the adult world is scary, incomprehensible and uncomfortable) underneath a weird scifi plot.
Episode 10 is about what happens when your puppy love crush outgrows you and you figure out that life isn't as simple as you'd want it to be. Just like episode 9 was about the problems having close friendship in addition to a real relationship can cause. Cocona abandoning herself and ceding control over her life to her mother isn't an accident either.
>>150732373
It's the same argument after Eva 3.0 when people were mad that Asuka is now in the 30s while Shinji is still 14.
>>150732278
>>phantom world 2.0
Nobody in this show touches Mei.
>>150731915
Exactly. I’m really hopeful that a more mature Papika can exhibit some homolust of her own. She might be a tad too old for Cocona, but mentally she was far too young before.
>>150732334
>"I have no idea what's happening because my memory is fragmented as fuck right now".
Nani?
When she talked with Salt she feelt being pretty aware about everything
>>150732409
I kind of think that anon wouldn't give a fuck if Cocona was a boy.
>>150730994
>>150731498
>>150731552
>>150732355
>Izetta haters
Such a shit taste.
>>150732454
That reveals much hypocrisy.
>>150732439
Not to mention she actually wanted to talk about something important with Cocona the night before and then just clammed up when Cocona demanded answers from her after they woke up.
>>150732454
>so completely out of arguments that she's reduced to playing the gender double standards card.
I think we're done here
>>150732409
Well, that was pretty different because a.) Asuka and Shinji never were even remotely a thing in the Rebuilds and b.) 30 year old Asuka behaves pretty much like 14 year old Asuka anyway.
>>150732514
I mean, if we want to extend the Eva comparisons you'd legitimately have to think Misato is fucking creepy too. You're supposed to in that case.
>>150732439
Yeah, I think the point of her introspection scene here is to imply that she is dealing with the fragmentation and getting her head in order. And the way she then says "we need to talk" certainly implies that she is no longer confused and wants to explain everything.
>>150732577
Isn't she? Her trying to console grieving Shinji with sex was autismal. "Hey your friend just died, let's have sex! That's what makes people cheerful right? ...right?"
>>150732588
Above all, I really hope Papika's current mental state makes sense. If she was about to say something like "I just realized I'm actually 30, so it's a little weird if we were together like that. I can still be your friend though!" and then they worked through and ended up in love anyway, that'd be totally fine with me. That's not the ONLY thing she could have been about to say to get me to that state.
There's so much stuff that's incongruous, and it may even be intentional.
>>150732454
*Papika
I think I speak for everyone here when I say that /ss/ is shit and should not be tolerated.
I just want someone to redraw all the Papika's from 7 but using middle-aged Titty Papika.
>>150732727
So much stuff that SEEMS incongruous, to clarify.
>>150732745
Banchou Papika needs chest wrappings and shoulder pads. Make it happen.
>>150732577
Misato was creepy. She literally contemplated raping a 14 year old boy at one point, that's like the height of not okay.
The comparison to Papika is still weak because Misato isn't disguised as a 14 year old girl, isn't concealing the fact that she's an adult and didn't spend the better part of the series sharing adventures with Shinji under the unintentionally false pretense of being a same-aged peer.
>>150732439
That's an argument for before episode 10. After 10, once her memories are in order, she SPECIFICALLY GOES TO SPEAK TO COCONA ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I wouldn't call that "refusing".
>>150732546
And Papika doesn't behave like 14 year old now? She only seemed more mature because she behaved like a 6 year old before that.
>>150730265
>Princess Tutu
>Good Mahou Shoujo
>Good at all
If you want to be a MG elitist either be a SM faggot or say "focus on battles has ruined the genre". Don't fucking pick a meh anime from when the genre was already dead.
>>150732769
This is the best argument I've seen yet that the writers/creators know what they're doing.
I still really wish we had a coming of age mutual story, but that's probably not in the cards for this. They were always vague with regard to Papika and Cocona's relationship, so our imaginations took us in a completely different direction than they were obviously going.
>>150732769
Cocona literally runs from her because Papika refuses to properly tell her about Mimi
And even before Cocona goes to check Yayacuck because Papika refuses to tell her about Mimi after "we need to talk"
>>150732727
>There's so much stuff that's incongruous, and it may even be intentional.
Yeah, gee, it's almost like Cocona's mental state is in such a bad shape right now from all the betrayal that she refused to listen to Papika's explanation, and her as well as the viewers are missing an entire half of the story behind Papikana.
>>150732864
There's also a chance it's bad writing, which is what everyone is fucking afraid of.
>>150732745
Even imouto Papika?
>>150732840
>because Papika refuses to tell her about Mimi after "we need to talk"
She's afraid it'll make Cocona sad, so she hesitates. Do you just not fucking watch the show?
It's not like Cocona asked and Papika was like "I'm not going to tell you to spite you". There are legitimate character reasons behind the actions in this show. Please pay attention.
>>150732765
Banchou Papika already has chest wrappings.
>>150732906
Bad writing in MY Flip Flappers?
>>150732935
Oh hell you're write nigger.
>>150732906
>9 episodes of really good writing
>1 episode of writing that's supposed to put you in the same emotional state as Cocona (turmoil)
Look, I know anime endings usually fucking suck, but I really doubt this is going to be the case.
>>150732770
The point is that she behaves relatively more more mature than before (and we haven't actually seen her do much). 3.0 Asuka is not more mature than 2.0 Asuka by any stretch of the imagination.
>>150732934
>She's afraid it'll make Cocona sa
Yeah, better just call her by other name, this is surely won't hurt Cocona
Are you fucking retarded?
>>150732123
Where are my Nanoha clones that are actually good
>>150732706
Yes, read the last sentence again.
>>150732766
>Misato isn't disguised as a 14 year old girl
>false pretense of being a same-aged peer.
But Papika isn't disguised. How do you keep reaching this far? It wasn't until the previous episode that she asked where Mimi was. That heavily implies she didn't know who that actually was until just then.
>>150732864
Maybe of Papikana could shut the fuck up about how great Mimi is for a moment and get to the point, Cocona wouldn't have run out of patience. Cocona asked Papika why she was seeing Papika ex in her dreams and Papika responded by describing how they first met, how big Mimi's cock is and how many more orgasms she was able to give her compared to Cocona.
Of course Cocona would be pissed. It's a misunderstanfing but the fault lies entirely with Papikana, the 30-something woman who somehow didn't realize that answering the question of a teenage girl, whose entire life was in the middle of falling apart, with indirect tangents was a bad idea.
>>150733020
Not in the Nanoha franchise, that's for sure.
>>150732957
It's more likely than you think!
>>150733016
Are you retarded? She never called Cocona "Mimi" again after that one time in the showers. She only said it in her sleep that morning.
Remember when this show was about 2 girls adventuring?
>>150732960
And even if it does suck, we still have the first half of the story.
I instinctively resist when authors get too specific with regard to details of a story. The reason is that whatever you set an audience up for, their imagination will take it and run with it, and whatever they come up with is going to be so much better for them than anything you would have ever thought of. It's much harder to do with character motivations, since it's pretty unusual for people who like or love each other to keep that much secret... but that's why we tell so many stories. One will someday get it perfect for you.
Point is, the feelings we thought we were being set up for came from us, not them. If they're so compelling, maybe some fraction of us will use them to come up with something that fits those expectations.
>>150733052
how big Mimi's cock is and how many more orgasms she was able to give her compared to Cocona.
Of course Cocona would be pissed.
Do you have something you want to talk about anon?
>>150733086
That's why I'm asking
>>150733052
Part of Papika's character is being kind of emotionally autistic. Did you forget episode 2?
>>150733181
Well, some would say Kaleid Liner, though I don't agree.
>>150733052
Mimi's cock is the exact same size as Cockona's.
If we really do get an age gap yuri end, I wonder if Papikana will have Cocona wear red contact lenses and grow her hair out. Maybe she'll pat Cocona's insecure little teenaged head and remind her not to worry because "I love you for you, Mimi"
>>150733222
Then how did she get pregnant. I want intricate details.
>>150733253
She didn't, Salt did.
>>150733222
Maybe when Mimi was still a little girl. Papika has memories of when Mimi was much older and bigger.
>>150733222
Got any facts to back that up?
>>150733202
I can swallow that pill when she's a 14 year old feral child, not when she's a 40 year old adult
>>150733258
Well just fuck my shit up senpai.
>>150732766
>false pretense of being a same-aged peer
I don't think that's fair at all. Ep1 Papika was mentally younger then Cocona. Basically a blank slate with few social skills or defences. If Cocona had been a bit older it would have been creepy age-gap in the opposite direction.
Anons were observing throughout the series that Papika learns very quickly, and it's possible that her accelerated learning was aided by the sub-conscious emergence of Papikana's memories as they returned more shards from PI.
>>150733227
>"I love you for you, Mimi"
That would be the perfect epilogue.
https://www.strawpoll.me/11836011
>>150733179
I kinda want to talk about futa NTR now. Got any good oned?
>clones/artificial humans exist in this world
>they're Mimi and Cocona clones
>Papikana aged with Mimi and Salt
>she somehow looks 14 years old again
Huh, I wonder where they could be going with this.
>>150732960
>1 episode of writing that's supposed to put you in the same emotional state as Cocona (turmoil)
That's exactly what it's done to me but I'm not sure if you're implying that is a good or bad thing.
>>150733417
>clone inexplicably retains memories of the original.
Mortal sin of scifi writing.
I just had a thought...
>age gap yuri
>but cocona is still the competent one
>constantly dragging a titty monster lesbo Papika around
>keeping her out of trouble
>fixing her scarves
>she's not totally useless, but a social basket case
Should I feel bad for kinda wanting this?
>>150733321
I feel like there's some philosophical or psychological argument to be made that Papikana's memories don't overwrite Papika's base personality, but I don't know what it would be.
>>150733468
Yeah if only there was some sort of... additional dimension that can influence people was involved, then it would make a more sense.
>>150733428
Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Yes, I think all the episodes have good writing.
To elaborate, the reason I say that is because Cocona's the main character and what the whole series has focused on, so it's natural that her and the audience should have the same/similar reactions to what's happening around her.
If this episode had left a divide between the audience and Cocona then I think it would've been bad writing. Like if everyone was mad about the age gap but if Cocona learned about it and was fine with it, that would definitely come off as weird.
>>150733535
Most of the arguments against Cocona I see seem to be of the "why doesn't she just solve everything rationally or with hotblood", which I would like to call the Shinji Argument.
What was Salt doing in the lab ruins? Did he summon the girls there on purpose?
>>150727941
>>150727963
>>150728020
>>150728205
>>150728652
>>150728702
Alright you guys got me, I'm not actually watching anything else this season, I just named three other shows whose names I knew. I guess I just wanted to be part of the conversation.
>>150733589
I think it's autistic people who have trouble relating with a character that have different personalities/goals/motivations/fears/flaws. So it makes sense that a lot of people criticize Cocona or Shinji for not doing what they would do because this place is full of autistics.
>>150733154
>2 girls
Papika & Mimi?
>>150733532
Yeah lets just download mew personalities from the Matrix, Kaiba. That totally won't destroy all sense of tension when characters risk their lives or trivialize every experience they had prior to learning that their consciousnesd has already achieved transcendental immortality. I hope Flip Flappers has an ending half as good as all those other scifi icons that fell for the same writing trap.
>>150733596
My theory is that that is just Salt's personal PI. His life is so consumed with restoring Mimi that his entire inner world is just a reflection of the place and time where he lost her.
>>150733705
what
>>150733701
What the fuck are you talking about? We already know deeper levels of PI relate to memory, it's not like it's an asspull. It's called foreshadowing.
>>150733535
>To elaborate, the reason I say that is because Cocona's the main character and what the whole series has focused on
In writing you can't set rules and boundaries WRT where the audience's attention, self insertion, speculation etc... is going to go.
If you really want to hem in a narrative to a single character's perceptions, you cant have ANY departure from that. You may even need to have them narrate, or make their thoughts audible (which could be a travesty in its own right). Otherwise, we as the audience are omniscient, and just happen to follow Cocona around most of the time.
The best writers take advantage of your in-built tendencies, work within the bounds of the audiences' psychology. If you show something at all, it has to be fair game to think about. Masterful writers will use this to their advantage. It's one of those things that's invisible when done right.
It works much better in books than visual media obviously.
What makes this situation so much harder to take is that we have to wait a week between each episode. When marathoning them, it probably won't be a big deal because you can get an instant answer to what's going on.
Being an anime fan truly is suffering.
>>150733535
Oh, well my original reaction was to be pretty pissed that Cocona was running away yet again, so that would point to bad writing.
On the other hand, I don't accept the premise that this is solely about Cocona. It's also Papika's story but it couldn't focus on her until now because of plot spoilers. I also think it's likely the next ep will feature Salt and Mimi's story, with Cocona as either a bystander or asleep.
>>150733472
I feel like the best utilization of the inverse of the traditional age gap dynamic keeps the "goofy older" partner as just a bit flighty rather than the full-on embodied id that Papika tends to be.
A mentally restored Papika seems to be a bit more restrained if still a little whimsical.
>>150733668
Wtf
>>150733928
>he replied
>>150733860
>WRT
Stop doing that already.
>>150733388
It's like you didn't even played best game of the 2016
>>150733860
>You may even need to have them narrate, or make their thoughts audible
Actually I loved FLCL and it did this... IT was still semi-omniscient, but it got across the idea that this was all from Naota's point of view. And that's why it's timeless. Who was Medical Mechanica? Who was Amaro besides a thirsty old man who was dumped by the mutual target of your affections? Doesn't really matter.
>>150734002
>yet another FLCLfag
Why do these people keep coming here?
>>150733918
I would just like to take a moment to congratulate you on your fine taste anon.
>>150733993
Game name?
>>150733981
What? I just really like that router firmware. Improves wifi coverage 35%!
>>150734128
fujihime
>>150733918
I'd like to see Papika show up to some event or other and meet younger Cocona. Immediately Cocona sets about fussing with her outfit, straightening her collar etc.
"You're a walking disaster, Papika."
"Why learn to do it right if you'll always fix it for me?"
>>150734093
You haven't done enough to keep us away, sweetheart.
>>150734336
I'll try harder next thread, hunnybuns
>>150734200
Can't find it under this name. Any other info? Publisher or something?