This is the strongest human on Earth

>>150719757
We knew everything was going to be okay because it's fucking Dragon Ball.

>>150719757
He did not need Uub because he needed a new guardian. He wanted Uub because he wanted a new guy to train.

Possibly because Uub is a human who can use Divine ki.

>>150719757
if it still sells money it will go beyond that ending and completely faze out gt eternally akira said if the show still sells the amount he wants the story may continue.

Why was Majin Buu reincarnated? Buu was probably the most merciless and most relentless of the Dragon Ball villains. Why not Cell who at least showed the same enjoyment in fighting as Goku?

>>150719844
It will continue, after all these years they finally found out that DB is a hen laying golden eggs.

>>150719867
Buu was a lot stronger, Cell was defeated by SSJ2.

>>150719922

Cell had the potential to go even further beyond SSJ2.

>>150719968
Yes, but at the time Cell was defeated, Goku was dead and only he'd want to bring him back to life. When Buu was dying, Goku was there, right?

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>>150719968
Perfect cell after his Zenkai was SSJ2. Hence why he was able to trump Gohan until Vegeta, Piccolo, and the others attacked him, distracting him and giving him an opening (they were even both at SSJ2)

>>150720004
SSJ2 Gohan only struggled against Super Perfect Cell in the first place because he got his arm injured defending Vegeta.

>>150719757
>implying Toriyama Toei gives a fuck about the end of Z

>>150720614
this
Say what you want about GT, at least it had a way better ending than Z

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>>150720614
>So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!
Toriyama:
Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.
Toyotarō:
T-That’s so much pressure… (sweat). But I think it’ll be really cool to help Dragon Ball someday reach its final chapter.

Toriyama:
Oh, that’s good! People will go “Wow, Toriyama-sensei planned it all out from the beginning!” and I’ll look really cool (laughs).

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>>150720639
i'll agree with that, Z's ending was pretty much a non ending whereas GT's ending was a definitive thing, also considering how seriously shit that series was at least the last arc wasn't complete ass.

>>150719757
Think about where Goku started and think about where he ended up.
Now imagine what happens when he does that with a kid with Kid Buu's strength.
Imagine giving that kid God Ki after doing the same training Goku went through.

How many more universes will we explore in DBS?

>>150719867
Everyone gets reincarnated, Enma just did it faster for Buu as a favor to Goku

When Elder Kai talks about the being who sealed him he mentions that he [Beerus] was weaker than Buu.

Or was the Buu from the time period of Elder Kai (several million years before Kid Buu murders the other Kai) stronger than Beerus?

I mean I know it ain't canon but Chronoa was just a regular Kai and is massively above SS3 so maybe the other gods were stronger in the past and Old Kai just got old.

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>>150721210
It wasn't what the old Kai said he said Beerus isn't as "evil" as the Boo or something along those lines.

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>>150720153

vegeta did a bad job

>>150721311
>Kai's are afraid of Beerus
>Beerus isn't allowed to destroy their planet
>He also can't kill some of them

Why?

>>150721628
at the time the old kai was the supreme kai and if beerus done anything he could just kill himself and beerus would die as well due to the life link between them. I guess this is why he decided to seal him in the z sword.

>>150721628
>>Kai's are afraid of Beerus
Because he's the fucking God of Destruction.
>>Beerus isn't allowed to destroy their planet
True, but if he felt like it, he could still wipe out most of the planets that they're technically the guardians of and it's well within his juristiction. Plus, the Kais realized that most of their "Save the universe" trump cards all live on one planet, and it would be really bad for business if Beerus went and blew it up.
>>He also can't kill some of them
The ones that he can kill have reason to be afraid of him.

>>150721010
Then why is there a heaven and hell?

>>150721888
>heaven you can stay there with your family and friends as long as you want and all desires you want or have the option to go back and be reborn as someone new and start over in a nice body with a peaceful life
>hell you stuck there for all eternally be forever punished by your evil deeds and if you are lucky and be a good boy you can be reborn as a shit body like an animal be constant state of fight for your life just to survive
something like this.

>>150721363
>I'm here for the job interview

>>150721888
>>150722432

The purpose of hell isn't really explained in the manga, if the anime is to be believed it's presumably to torment the more terrible souls.

The purpose of heaven may also includebeing a place where the truly good who escaped the cycle of reincarnation to hang out.

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>>150719757
The author forgot about him now, so it is k

>>150722432
>Start over
>Risk getting your ass fucked up by all kind of shit in the mortal world
>Instead of just lay back and fuck angels all day every day

That is why only bad guys reincarnate

>>150722984
>>150722432
It's a good thing reincarnation takes a while else how would shenlong bring back the dead?

>>150723008
>>150722432
>>150722984

You know, maybe that's why there was a 1-year rule on dragon ball reincarnation before toriyama disregarded it for RoF.

>>150719757
TORIYAMA IS RETARDED, DBShit is worse than GT

>>150720004
>Perfect cell after his Zenkai was SSJ2.

No, he was still weaker. Even with only one working arm and having lost a lot of his energy, Gohan was still more powerful than him.

>>150723528
Only when he pulled even more power from inside himself after Goku's pep talk.

>>150723624

With a busted arm, he was still equalling Cell most of the time. He was losing purely due to a lack of confidence.

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>>150719757
>don't we already know everything is gonna be ok all the way up to Goku (base form) vs. Uub?
No shit, you just blew my mind, and here i thought Goku was actually going to die for real in the fight against Zamazu.

>>150725100
But Trunks could have died, and almost did. Also the universe got wiped out, nobody expected that shit.

>>150725155
>But Trunks could have died
He already died in Z

>>150725186
Died in the future with no Dragonball of any kind?

>>150725205
Trunks has senzu this time around and isn't going to be blinded sided after cell blew his heart away with a beam.

>>150725293
Against Merged Zamasu who could probably have one-shot him if he didn't genkidama his ass?

>>150725371
>could
but didn't cause he was too full himself was about to over power his blast but vegeta stepped in with the father son garlic gun.

Piccolo should fuse with the two dragons since they are sort of namekian

>>150725523
He should fuse with fucking Super Shenlong

>>150719840
> He wanted Uub because he wanted a new guy to train.
That is not true. He wanted a new, worthy opponent.
This is stated by Vegeta and confirmed by Goku himself.
As much as you might not like it, this means Goku had NO WORTHY OPPONENT at that time. Therefore,
Ub>Vegeta
And
Ub>Angels and gods

>>150719789
RIP Future Trunks arc

This thread will turn into powerlevel bullshit

>>150719757
Is Uub in super? I stopped watching it.

>>150726771
Who cares about that posttruth bullshit if it already etablished that gag characters are the strongest.

>>150726806
No

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>>150726806
He was mentioned when Goku told Vegeta about him. But I don't think he is even born yet.

>>150726551
Not really. Uub is pretty unless at this point. It made since back then because Buu was the strongest and most fierce enemy they faced. So reincarnating him as a good guy was a good send off for the next generation. Problem is this was before Beerus, Hit and everything we see in Super pretty was even an idea. So no, Uub is nothing anymore in the grand scheme of things.

>>150719757
>being this delusional
They had no problem retconning potara. Uub is just a nobody now. End of Z tournament can still happen, but Goku ain't training this weakling.

>>150727151
What if Buu trained?

>>150726551

Goku mentions that he could give them a good battle before they meet him, but that clearly doesn't happen when they actually get to the arena, which is why he leaves to train him at the end.

>>150727221
>They had no problem retconning potara.
That's completely different. They didn't suddenly say that they never used Potara before or some other change of an event that we saw happening. They just gave an explanation for something we saw before.

The last time End of Z was mentioned (after the RoF movie but before Super proper - so Goku and Vegeta were already God level), End of Z was still considered canon.

>>150727472
You mean Fat Buu? Then he would certainly be a forced to reckon with. But he's a lazy and spoiled piece of shit.

Which is why Uub has so much promise. He has Kid Buu's raw potential, which is why Goku was so eager to train him. But even with that potential, I don't think he'll ever come close to the likes of Hit and Black, let alone Beerus.

>>150727648
Buu, without training, was the strongest fighter in U7 (after Beerus). Freeza, by training 4 months, achieved God levels, and he was way way weaker than even Kaioshin. So if Uub trained, he would wreck shit.

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>>150727794
That would make sense, but keep in mind Frieza was a mutant among his race with unnatural talent. It's never stated that Buu or Uub had that same talent to reach the heights Frieza did as fast as he did. Though I'm sure he'll eventually reach god level if he trains enough.

At the end of the day, its up to Toriyama. From the looks of it, Pan is going to be the one who reaches those heights first.

What if Cooler trained?

>>150727794
>>150728094

Frieza's "lol 4 months shit" is an incredibly stupid plot device. Would it even work on bubblegum people?
Also, the way I saw it, Uub had the potential to be as strong as kid buu WITH training, so super made him completely inconsequential.

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>>150720004
>Hence why he was able to trump Gohan until Vegeta, Piccolo, and the others attacked him, distracting him and giving him an opening (they were even both at SSJ2)

Gohan in the manga is said to be at less than his 50% because he saved Vegeta and got injured

Dunno if you watched the anime but Piccolo and the others did nothing, only Vegeta did.

And even then it's not like Gohan got power from magic, he just released it since he was holding back.

SSJ2 Gohan 50%>>Cell

>>150729936
>>150720004

Cell was not serious. He was not straining to kill gohan, and was about to wipe him when he was distracted, which gave gohan the opening he needed.

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>>150729297
>Frieza's "lol 4 months shit" is an incredibly stupid plot device

I don't think anyone will argue with you there. They needed a way to bring him up to par with Goku's current strength. Though it does make sense that he's a freak of nature who was simply born with the massive power he had without ever training for it, the fact that it took only 4 months for him to be able to got toe to toe with SSB Goku was ridiculous.

>>150730102
Did they ever clarify what this "training" was suppose to be? How does someone who has never trained in their life come up with a effective regimen?

>>150720614
Thank goodness. Z's ending is trash. I hope it's retconned.

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>>150730945

>>150731015
Thanks, monkey's paw.

>>150731049

Well, there's also the Time Patroller fighting Frieza several times until he turns Gold. Y'know, if you count the Xenoverse Sagas canon.

Which they are.

>>150731079
>monkey's paw
What did he mean by this?

>>150731049
Rocky did a Dragon Ball RoF reference?
Stallone confirmed bro.

>Chicken cherry cola
What kind of lyrics is this?

>>150729297
This is wrong, Uub is as strong as Kid Buu without training, but he still garbage compared to his other forms let alone the monster Goku became at end of Z

Goku had to fly to gain ground on uub

>>150727648
>>150727794
>>150728094
>>150729297
>>150730102
Kid Buu has existed since evet absorbing evil energy but he is still weaker than Super Buu, Uub is a shitty human and humans gain too little energy from training comparable with Saiyans and gods. Even if Uub trains all of his life he doesn't have anything to offer against a SSJG Goku, much less Beerus.

>>150731049
Is this Loss?

>>150731264
>This is wrong, Uub is as strong as Kid Buu without training
This is never mentioned or implied. All we know is he's strong enough to hurt base goku's blocking arm when you piss him off. Goku flew because it's natural for him to fly while fighting, not because it was necessary.

>>150731317
Depends what you mean by Super Buu. Buuhan and Buutenks are much stronger, but Kid Buu is possibly a little stronger than base Super Buu, depending on how you interpret what they say while he transforms.

>>150731430
Why the fuck would everyone be impressed by Uub if he's some weak little shit after Goku pissed him off?
He wasn't even disappointed in his power, he was let down because of Uub's lack of ki usage.

Also Super Buu is far stronger than Kid Buu and has been specified on multiple occasions. The two are not even close considering SSJ Gotenks alone is marginally greater than SSJ3 Goku

>>150731505
>Why the fuck would everyone be impressed by Uub if he's some weak little shit after Goku pissed him off?
Because he's a half starved somalian human boy.
The strongest human in the world at that point was probably under 50k powerlevel total. Goku was impressed by the majin buu like potential, but he wasn't buu strong yet.

>Also Super Buu is far stronger than Kid Buu and has been specified on multiple occasions
>The two are not even close considering SSJ Gotenks alone is marginally greater than SSJ3 Goku

Prove it? Super Buu is a little stronger than Fat Buu, but not by much., SS3 Goku was also stronger than Fat Buu. The danger of super buu was his improved body shape and malice, not a real spike in powerlevel.

>>150731624
>The strongest human in the world at that point was probably under 50k powerlevel total. Goku was impressed by the majin buu like potential, but he wasn't buu strong yet

Literally only Vegeta didn't care about uub, as he should since he's the only one stronger at that time. Unless you still believe end of Z has Gohan in his mysitc form


>Prove it? Super Buu is a little stronger than Fat Buu, but not by much., SS3 Goku was also stronger than Fat Buu. The danger of super buu was his improved body shape and malice, not a real spike in powerlevel.


Goku and Vegeta were pissed scared of base Super Buu on multiple occasions, read the Manga.

Later Vegeta and Goku was both sure a full powered SSJ3 Goku could beat Kid Buu, hence why Vegeta stalled, Goku even considered bringing Gohan and Gotenks to one shot Buu when Vegeta brought up the Dragon Balls

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>>150731624
See here, Goku could have gone SSJ3 at least if Super Buu was around Kid Buu's level, but he isn't so they needed the Potara

The absolute worst thing about Super, animation aside, is that it's built on a flawed concept - putting it the time skip before the End of Z really limits what they can do with the series without further pissing on the ending of Z. It wouldve been nice to see Uub as a main character (seeing as how he got scammed out of it in GT), not to mention some of the events mentioned in Dragon Ball Online (the resurrection of the Turtle and Crane schools, Goku and Vegeta's final fight etc.). I've been a really big fan of many of the new characters introduced in Super, and I like a lot of the bullshit gag filler episodes, but I do feel like they missed a trick with the timeline placement.

>>150731718
>Literally only Vegeta didn't care about uub, as he should since he's the only one stronger at that time.
Vegeta was just being the usual sourpuss. You don't have to be weaker than Uub to be surprised at the power coming from a half-starved so-far-unknown somalian boy.

>Goku and Vegeta were pissed scared of base Super Buu on multiple occasions, read the Manga.
>Later Vegeta and Goku was both sure a full powered SSJ3 Goku could beat Kid Buu

I own the manga. Vegeta had nothing on any Buu, ever. He never could have hoped to compete. Goku however was a little stronger than Fat Majin Buu. However, he left for the afterlife before super buu appeared, and when he returned, Buutenks was around.
The only time Goku or Vegeta even faced base Super Buu was the mini version inside him. It's entirely possible Goku could have fought Base super buu evenly, and no real evidence that super buu outclassed SS3 goku.


>>150731844
You're forgetting this literally happens inside Super Buu's body. Goku realized the futility of the fight when he tried blasting a hole in super buu's head.

>>150731871
>giving a fuck about Z's ending
>giving a fuck about uub
>wanting uub to be the main character

You're gonna have to fuck off with this type of shit, lad.

>>150719757
Well Goku could fight on equal terms with a guy with kid buu power level, that can be easily explained by the training he's doing with whis and beerus.

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>>150731919
>Vegeta was just being the usual sourpuss. You don't have to be weaker than Uub to be surprised at the power coming from a half-starved so-far-unknown somalian boy.
Base Goku had to fly to gain ground on Uub
Base Goku would have one shotted even Perfect Cell at that point and wouldn't need to fly.
That's like saying Vegeta needed to fly against that fodder with Babidi whom by the way is stronger than Freeza since Supreme Kai was wary of him


>You're forgetting this literally happens inside Super Buu's body. Goku realized the futility of the fight when he tried blasting a hole in super buu's head.
Except that's wrong, they were going to leave Buu's body as implied here. And even if they weren't Vegito could have manhandled Buu even inside his own body, just because he is stronger. Which would be natural if Kid Buu > Base Super Buu, no?

>>150724805
Hey bby.

>>150724805
S... source?

>>150729314
Edgy gohan isn't 'cool'

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>>150732013
>Base Goku had to fly to gain ground on Uub
He flew because it's how he fights. And we don't really know how strong base goku is at the end of Z.
>Base Goku would have one shotted even Perfect Cell
Source: your ass.

>That's like saying Vegeta needed to fly against that fodder with Babidi
>Way stronger than Frieza
>Impressed with 10X gravity.
Hahahahahaa, please anon.

>Except that's wrong, they were going to leave Buu's body as implied here.
Kid Buu was also stronger than either of them. Goku and Vegeta repeatedly make some pretty questionable judgement calls during the last bit of the buu saga. I mean, Vegeta laughed at Kid Buu, when we later see he was so outclassed he almost died within a minute of fighting him.
Vegeto is just vegeto. He could kill Buuhan as fucking candy.

>Kid with Buu's potential
>Not being a fucking monster after training

Thanks to Power of Friendship Gary Strunks and Golden Freeza, anyone has a chance of getting god tier powers

>>150732186
Perfect Cell = Dabura
The fact SSJ1 Gohan matched Dabura and the fatc that you think Base Goku isn't stronger by the end of Z is both sad and amusing.

>Hahahahahaa, please anon.
You realize Supreme Kai could have one shotted Freeza right? Don't go spouting nonsense now. ANy of Babidi's minions are greater than Freeza


>Kid Buu was also stronger than either of them
Stronger than Vegeta obviously, literally no character including Vegeta refuted that, Goku at FPSSJ3 confirmed he could beat Kid Buu, even if he can't the fact that he claims he can versus being pissed scared at Super Buu is evident enough

Not sure why you are still arguing for something that has long since been debunked throughout the web

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>>150732186
So what are you going to say he's wrong here too?

>>150732263
This. If Toei/Toriyama wants to power up Uub, then they will find a way no matter how bullshit it might be.

But given Uub isn't a Saiyan or a fan favorite character, the chances of that are slim.

Old kai could use the super dragon balls to defuse

>>150732263
A buu level monster, for sure.
Still inconsequential by Super.

>>150732288
>The fact SSJ1 Gohan matched Dabura and the fatc that you think Base Goku isn't stronger by the end of Z is both sad and amusing.
Super saiyan alone is a 50x multiplier, anon. Even though gohan is much weaker than goku, at SS he is most likely stronger than base goku during the buu saga. And your headcanon about the end of Z doesn't mean shit.
Also, Gohan was SS2 when he fought Dabra. Else there would never have been any reason to worry, since he could have gone SS2 at any time and beaten him.

>>150732288
>You realize Supreme Kai could have one shotted Freeza right?
You realize 10G was King kai's planet? You realize this was nothing to saiyan saga vegeta? You realize the idea that someone impressed by 10G could be remotely close to Frieza's power is completely retarded?

>>150732288
>Goku at FPSSJ3 confirmed he could beat Kid Buu, even if he can't the fact that he claims he can versus being pissed scared at Super Buu is evident enough.
Goku claims a lot of shit and he isn't always right. Again, he laughed when he saw Kid Buu, yet couldn't even stop his blasts from destroying the earth.

>Not sure why you are still arguing for something that has long since been debunked throughout the web
Feel free to start debunking it then. Because they literally say Kid Buu's chi was getting stronger while he transformed from Super form.

>>150723107
Goku was dead for more than a year after Cell.

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>>150732459
>You realize 10G was King kai's planet? You realize this was nothing to saiyan saga vegeta? You realize the idea that someone impressed by 10G could be remotely close to Frieza's power is completely retarded?
Which is why Supreme Kai wanted to gang on Pui Pui when he has the power to one shot Freeza right? Use your head for once


>Super saiyan alone is a 50x multiplier, anon. Even though gohan is much weaker than goku, at SS he is most likely stronger than base goku during the buu saga. And your headcanon about the end of Z doesn't mean shit.
Also, Gohan was SS2 when he fought Dabra. Else there would never have been any reason to worry, since he could have gone SS2 at any time and beaten him.
Prove it.


This fight is literally Vegeta vs 18 all over again, one gets tired and the other doesn't how dense are you to believe Goku matching Kid buu equates to him not even wanting to fight Super Buu?
Either post evidence of Goku attempting to fight Super Buu claiming he has a chance or fuck off.

>>150732519
Goku was allowed to stay in paradise because he was good. I'm talking about the general populace.

>>150732566
>Use your head for once
You first. 10G was nothing to saiyan saga vegeta, who was literally hundreds of times weaker than frieza.

>>150732566
>Prove it.
Simple:
1) Gohan was struggling against Dabra
2) Gohan was weaker than he was during the cell games.
3) If gohan was SS1, going SS2 would have been more than enough to destroy Dabra.
4) If gohan was SS1, and was able to roughly match a perfect cell-level enemy, then it would mean he was stronger than he was seven years ago, when it's repeatedly said he was weaker.

Pretty obvious.

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>>150732566
>This fight is literally Vegeta vs 18 all over again, one gets tired and the other doesn't how dense are you to believe Goku matching Kid buu equates to him not even wanting to fight Super Buu?.
Also:
Vegeta was much weaker than 18, he didn't lose because she had more energy. Goku was decidedly weaker than kid buu (literally says Kid Buu is playing with him), whereas he was decidedly stronger than fat buu. He chose to fight him because the manga was ending, pretty much.

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>>150732665
>You first. 10G was nothing to saiyan saga vegeta, who was literally hundreds of times weaker than frieza.
Goddamn it's like you ignore everything Supreme Kai said.

>pic related
Shows that Gohan needed to unlock SSJ2 like he did in Cell Games, losing SSJ2 also constitutes as being weaker than his Cell Games incarnation dingus.
>inb4 his fight vs Spopovich
He used it once and it showed the lightning effects, but only because of Videl.
>>150732754
Thanks for posting the evidence where Goku legit said he was going to kill Kid Buu if he had the energy.
18 held back vs Vegeta and tired him out, Goku was even with Kid Buu and got tired out, what's the matter? Somehow that proves better than Goku pissing his pants at Super Buu?

>>150732874
>>150732754
>>150732566
>>150732316
>>150732186
>>150732013
>>150731844

I miss when goku wasn't a literal retard and the characters had progress and all that.

Super is shit.

>>150732459
>Still inconsequential by Super
>Super
>Where everyone has a chance of getting bullshit hax power ups

Yeah, that's what I said

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>>150732874
>Goddamn it's like you ignore everything Supreme Kai said.
The supreme kai was repeatedly shown to be a fucking idiot. You cannot pretend something that's impressed by 10G would even be as strong as the ginyu force, let alone Frieza.

>>150732874
>Shows that Gohan needed to unlock SSJ2 like he did in Cell Games, losing SSJ2 also constitutes as being weaker than his Cell Games incarnation dingus.
He turned SS2 during the budokai to impress Kibito, you enormous retard. He had no trouble with doing so, he did it to show off.

>>150732874
>Thanks for posting the evidence where Goku legit said he was going to kill Kid Buu if he had the energy.
Again, stop taking everything goku says at face value. By that logic Kid Buu is weaker than Vegeta because vegeta was willing to fight him alone (played RPS for it). Goku gathering chi was the only way he even believed had a chance, it's not sure ti would have worked. And naturally, super Buu wouldn't have allowed him that chance either.
>18 held back vs Vegeta and tired him out
18 broke his arm and made him her bitch. It had nothing to do with stamina.

>Goku was even with Kid Buu and got tired out, what's the matter?
Goku was weaker, and kid buu was playing with him. Goku pissed his pants at kid buu plenty.

>>150733049
>He turned SS2 during the budokai to impress Kibito, you enormous retard. He had no trouble with doing so, he did it to show off.
Good job ignoring what Goku said retard, let me guess Goku told him to get angry for SSj3? Kek

>Again, stop taking everything goku says at face value.
You're being dense on purpose aren't you? Vegeta and Goku said Vegeta was going to die if he fought Kid Buu, look above you dumb fuck, and reread the fight, it was a one-sided beatdown.
>literally posting a planet being destroyed
Yeah sure is Kid Buu scaring Goku from a fight and not destroying the planet, any Buu would have done that.
Literally go to any DBZ discussion sites and bring your dumb bullshit about Kid Buu > Super Buu and see how far it gets you.

Also,
>18 going all out against Vegeta
Completely missed the point Trunks got one shotted by a slightly stronger 17, and that 18 was never trying all out to begin with.

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>>150733168
>Good job ignoring what Goku said retard,
Good job ignoring what gohan said and did.
>You're being dense on purpose aren't you? Vegeta and Goku said Vegeta was going to die if he fought Kid Buu
And earlier, vegeta fought for the right to fight him alone. This should tell you the character's words aren't always objective truth.

>>150733168
>Yeah sure is Kid Buu scaring Goku from a fight and not destroying the planet, any Buu would have done that.
It shows Goku couldn't deflect the blast himself, which means Kid buu outclassed him.

>Literally go to any DBZ discussion sites and bring your dumb bullshit about Kid Buu > Super Buu and see how far it gets you.
Maybe you should return to your anime sites hugboxes instead.

>Completely missed the point Trunks got one shotted by a slightly stronger 17, and that 18 was never trying all out to begin with.
So what? 18 still crushed vegeta. It wasn't a matter of endless energy or not, she was just far superior to him, broke both his arms and knocked him out.

>>150733292
>And earlier, vegeta fought for the right to fight him alone.
> This should tell you the character's words aren't always objective truth.
And when has Vegeta said he could defeat Buu? Dumbass, This is the same Vegeta that suggested fighting Super Buu only to be stopped by Goku,
Goku is the only one being reasonable, he suggested Gohan and Gotenks fighting Kid Buu after all.

>It shows Goku couldn't deflect the blast himself, which means Kid buu outclassed him.
That's not how that works dumbass, he couldn't pwoer up fast enough to prevent it, do you even read DB?
>Maybe you should return to your anime sites hugboxes instead.
Asked you multiple times to find a scene where Goku was confident he could beat Super Buu, Yet you have not done so, I guess anonymity allows you to shitpost or fanboy hard.


>So what? 18 still crushed vegeta.
>m-muh arm crush
So he actually went on the offensive at the end ? Ignoring everything else I said like 17? Typical 4chan retard, fuck off already.

Your pic doesn't mean anything, Videl pissed him off and he got SSJ2, he hasn't shown the lightning afterwards hence Goku's statement. Either debunk or fuck off

>>150732943
its a sad day when the TFS Goku is smarter than Super's Goku.

I will forever be salty with the way this series shit on gohan

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>yfw Toriyama literally got away with making 4chan: the Villain

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>>150733441
>muh videl
It wasn't videl. It was just Kibito. He turned SS2 during the Budokai, with no trouble. Goku didn't mean "turn super saiyan 2, Gohan". He meant "Gohan, bring out your asspull superpowers!"

>So he actually went on the offensive at the end
The fuck are you on about? 18 outclassed and destroyed him, she didn't have to even try, and she certainly didn't "tire him out". She just beat his ass.

>Asked you multiple times to find a scene where Goku was confident he could beat Super Buu
If that's all it takes to prove someone is stronger, Vegeta is stronger than Kid Buu.

>That's not how that works dumbass, he couldn't pwoer up fast enough to prevent it
He had time to look in awe, beg, pick up Satan and Dende, and try to teleport away. Turning SS3 at that point was instant.
He didn't, because he couldn't. Kid Buu's full power attack was beyond him.

>And when has Vegeta said he could defeat Buu?
He wanted to fight Kid Buu alone. Goku also wanted to fight kid buu alone. They were both dumbasses who repeatedly misjudged their opponent's strengths through the arc. Goku thought he could beat him. Oops, he was wrong.

>>150732963
>everyone
>Gohan
Nice try, fag.

>>150735024
>If that's all it takes to prove someone is stronger, Vegeta is stronger than Kid Buu.
>being this dense on purpose
Why don't you prove Vegeta claim he could beat Buu at any point? I already said that vegeta was unreliable and Goku was yet you continue harping on it like some dumbass, Guess you're just a typical shitposter

>It wasn't videl. It was just Kibito. He turned SS2 during the Budokai, with no trouble. Goku didn't mean "turn super saiyan 2, Gohan". He meant "Gohan, bring out your asspull superpowers!"
Nice fanfic, he powered up to SSJ2 after Videl, kept his anger and repowered up when kibito came, just like when SPC came back. Try harder shitposter-kun

>He wanted to fight Kid Buu alone. Goku also wanted to fight kid buu alone.
Super Buu scared him hard enough to not even consider that, whereas Goku at leas thought he had a chance with Kid Buu. You can't even disprove the scenes I brought up yet you continue running illogical circles, all because you don't want to be wrong.

>The fuck are you on about? 18 outclassed and destroyed him, she didn't have to even try, and she certainly didn't "tire him out". She just beat his ass.
Why are you ignoring 17 and SSj Trunks you dumbshit? Why are you ignoring Piccolo's statement? Why ar eyou ignoring that they literally said the androids were toying with them?

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>>150735210
>and Goku was
Reliable? He laughed at Kid Buu, he's almost as unreliable as vegeta.

>Nice fanfic
Nice headcanon. I can't believe you're actually trying to claim he can't go SS2 when he does twice during the tournament without trouble, simply because Kibito asks. What's this "kept his anger" idiocy? Face it, no matter how you look at it, Gohan vs Dabra only makes sense if Gohan was SS2.

>Super Buu scared him hard enough to not even consider that whereas Goku at leas thought he had a chance with Kid Buu.
And again, goku is an unreliable narrator. He laughed at Kid Buu, then couldn't even stop his attacks and had to flee. Then when he finally fought him, he was outclassed by an opponent who was toying with him. If we're taking what they say at face value, Goku said in no uncertain terms that Kid Buu's chi grew during transformation. Therefore, kid Buu > Super Buu.

>Why are you ignoring 17 and SSj Trunks you dumbshit? Why are you ignoring Piccolo's statement? Why ar eyou ignoring that they literally said the androids were toying with them?
Because that only proves my point further? When they met 18 and 17, they didn't lose because the androids had infinite energy. They lost because the androids were strong enough to beat them to a pulp in a few half-serious attacks.

>>150735451
>Because that only proves my point further? >When they met 18 and 17, they didn't lose because the androids had infinite energy. .
>being this retarded
The androids were holding back you dumbass, Trunks said so, Piccolo said so, even Vegeta knew

>Nice headcanon.
Ironic, since he never did go SSJ2 afterwards. And only did so during the stint in which Videl got pummeled thus forcing Goku to tell him to get angry afterwards.

>Reliable? He laughed at Kid Buu, he's almost as unreliable as vegeta.
They alughed at his size you dumbass, Vegeta and Goku both thought FPSSj3 was all that needed to win, in the end he didn't manage to get it.
Neither thought they would beat Super Buu without fusion. End of story

Whether you think Goku could beat Kid Buu or not is irrelevant, He feared Super buu more, and that's all that matters.
Even during his fight with Kid buu he wasn't afraid of him.

Also considering that he thought that Gohan and Gotenks would handle Kid Buu is more than evident enough.

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>>150722877
You deserve applause

In just 4 months Freeza rose to SSB tier. Imagine how strong Kid Buu would be if he trained.

>>150736388
Not that strong because Frieza's incredible potential was s set-in-stone plot point well before Buu came into the series.

>>150729297
If it was 4 years and got a power up from some god like figure for the golden form, ie god ki shit, then it might make sense.

>>150731505
>SSJ Gotenks alone is marginally greater than SSJ3 Goku

Lol nope.

>>150736388
Unless they throw in the fact that Kid Buu has the same abnormal potential that Frieza had, him training wouldn't have shot him up to SSB levels.

>>150735733
Not the same guy but

>The androids were holding back
And still beat them

>never did go SSJ2 afterwards
Source, and it was been stated before that they don't always draw or show lightning in the newer forms.

I highly doubt SSJ3 Gotenks is a lot stronger than SSJ3 Goku. But together they could probably beat him.

>>150737633
>And still beat them
18 was holding back, if she didn't she would have done to him what 17 did to Trunks, everyone basically said the androids were toying with them. 18 tired out Vegeta on purpose, as stated by piccolo.

>I highly doubt SSJ3 Gotenks is a lot stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Before Gotenks got SSj3, he was the one Goku thought would have a shot at beating him, evidently when Gotenks fought Buu pre-training he was already able to be on Majin vegeta's level. Greater with SSj since Piccolo believed SSj Gotenks had a better chance than Majin vegeta, because if the kids didn't Piccolo would tell them to fuck off since they would get stomped harder than Majin Vegeta.

After training they got even stronger than before