YuriKuma

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>>150708677
>How did you like the series?
Not the best Ikuhara but still the best thing came out last year.
>What do you think could've made it better?
More episodes to get to know the characters better.

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>>150708677
Personally, I think the series wasted Konomi and Mitsuko. Like how they were similar but so different from Ginko and Lulu.

Not to mention how they went against court approval; started hunting Excluded Girls instead of Invisible Girls and got executed for it.

>>150708821
I'm fascinated by the series but I'm also not a yurifag. There was so much squandered potential. Like the interplay of the conflicts between:

Kureha vs Being Excluded
Ginko vs The Invisible Storm
Getting Sullied vs Remaining Invisible
True Love vs Hunger/Lust

What did you think the message of the story was?

>>150708948
I wouldn't say they were wasted, since they came back as Ginko's lust and new found bear.
But then again, with more episodes they could have been developed more.

>>150708677
>Lets try to make a very simple message appear to be deep by drowning it in a shitton of obvious metaphors - the anime
It had some likable characters, but that's about it.

>>150709167
What do you mean by squandered potential?
Anyway the only true new element YKA had compared to Penguindrum and Utena was the discussion about the nature of love. The possessive, consuming egoistic one vs the selfless one made of sacrifice (shatter yourself etc).

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>>150708677
Why are we having so many threads of YKA recently? Not that I'm complaining.

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>>150709491
>Lets try to make a very simple message appear to be deep by drowning it in a shitton of obvious metaphors
Sounds like a fairy tale.

>>150709190
I think Ginko's inner conflict between lust vs love for Kureha should've been played up as an actual conflict she was struggling with before Ghost-Mitsuko showed up.

>>150709741
I found it weird how the series abandoned the honey & bee metaphor after that episode.

>>150709848
But it was, when she let Sumika die.

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>>150709491
>message
So what was the message?

The only message that made sense to me was that when you love someone, you have to be willing to change yourself and compromise to stay with the one you love.

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>>150708677
>I found you
It had the best ending of any anime last year.

>>150709957
Which wasn't revealed as something she had done to the audience until after Ghost-Mitsuko showed up. It wasn't played up as a conflict for her until more than halfway through the series.

>people STILL think this was about yuri

lol

>>150710085
True, but before that there was the Ginko-ate-Kureha's-mom red herring that was basically the same as far as her character was concerned.

>>150710088
Try reading the thread.

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>>150710018
>the simple message is about compromise
That's why I think Chouko works best as the final antagonist. She's not willing to accept Yuri and is unyielding to change.

>>150710240
Not really. If we had scenes in the first 3 episodes where Ginko was trying to keep herself from eating Kureha then it would've worked better as a character conflict.

That red herring only works in order to develop tension and dramatic irony for the audience. But it doesn't help develop conflict at all. It only develops anticipation for conflict.

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>>150710405
Uh, are you sure she wasn't?

>>150710405
>If we had scenes in the first 3 episodes where Ginko was trying to keep herself from eating Kureha then it would've worked better as a character conflict.
That wouldn't have made sense. Ginko's problem was possessiveness, and that was already expressed by letting Sumika die. The desire to eat Kureha came only later after feeling rejected, like how happened to Yuriika and Kureha's mom.

>>150708677
It's pretty obvious it was planned as a 2 cour show, and the character development and sub plots suffer for it. It could have been another Ikuhara masterpiece like Utena with more episodes, as it is it's a disappointment for it's lost potential.

>>150710853
It's pretty obvious it wasn't, or it wouldn't have happened.

Im i the only one who remembers the obscure references to vintage films from this series?

>>150711571
No.
Suspiria, Psycho, Shining, what else?

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>>150709679
>Anyway the only true new element YKA had compared to Penguindrum and Utena was the discussion about the nature of love. The possessive, consuming egoistic one vs the selfless one made of sacrifice (shatter yourself etc).

But that theme was all over both of those shows.

>>150711679
Suspiria was the one i was thinking about and i think some other blank and white one i remember an anon made a comparison years ago in the threads.

>>150708821
>>150708948
>>150709167
Probably the studio screwed Ikuhara with a 12 episodes run. Ikuhara is stuck on the 90s after all and modern anime must be really short unless it's connected with a big franchise potential

>>150711766
The contrast between the two wasn't.

I liked the manga

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>>150710786
>The desire to eat Kureha came only later after feeling rejected
I thought Ginko wanted to eat Kureha since the beginning

>>150712121
Utena waffling between Anthy and Akio. Kanba going ahead with the bombing to keep Himari alive, while Shouma wants to share the curse evenly. The entire Ringo and Yuri plot. Maybe not quite as front and center, but the contrasts were drawn.

>>150708677
>how did you like it
Loved it.
>how could it be better
More episodes, better production.

>>150711256
We're not in the 90s anymore. Arguably Penguindrum should have 3 cours like Utena for all the convuluted mess from the second half and how quickly we jump from flashbacks, tragic backstories, Himari's soulmate, terrorism and whatever the hell was the last episode but 3 cours aren't a thing anymore and Ikuhara was already lucky to get a 2 cours anime and he probably got it for being his first anime in 11 years. He didn't have much luck with YKA

>>150712205
It was strange how they had Ginko want to eat Kureha, then suddenly it morphed into her being her destined lover. It would've made sense if the development was "bear wants to eat girl -> girl shows bear humanity -> the bear becomes more human and doesn't want to eat her anymore and falls in love".

>>150708677
>What could have made it better?
Get rid of that hack.

It has an amazingly good OP, like all Ikuhara anime.

I found the art style too plain compared to the high-minded symbolism and imagery. Would have liked more color depth and thinner lines, maybe something with more of a "pencilled" look.

The original soundtrack was also utterly forgettable which was a problem. Ikuhara's anime are supposed to be something like a ballet or opera where you feel like you're feasting your senses.

>>150712521
Probably that was the original idea but >>150710853

>>150712621
The OST was absolutely not forgettable, it was Hashimoto Yukari.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbzgNuLe-6M
And that's just the first one that popped up on youtube.

>>150712330
Those weren't making quite the same point.
Especially Kanba was about love resulting in hate for the "invisible world", not lack of selflessness. He already made a sacrifice at the beginning if you remember.

>>150712678
Nice youtube comments

>>150708677
It was good but long winded

Bears didn't exist

MC was the one murdering everyone

They needed to show actual tension and not all STYLE!!!

Also the principal was a terrible character

The best thing about the OP was hearing French in anime that wasn't being horribly mispronounced.

>>150712660
A series doesn't get cut from 2 to 1 cour after a handful of episodes, don't be silly.

>>150712621
Please, the OST was great.

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>>150712691
The problem is that Utena was about subverting shoujo conventions while behind all the references and metaphors, Penguindrum actually follow them. Ikuhara is a big fan of shoujo after all but Utena is its own thing compared to Penguindrum

It's amazing, it's like someone made an anime about that "my teacher was a bear disguised as a human" copypasta.

>>150712741
But Ikuhara could have an original draft for YKA that needed at least 2 cours but the studio wouldn't finance it so he basically made YKA the abridged series. It was a situation where Ikuhara wanted to have his cake and eat it. That would explain a lot of the inconsistences on YKA

>>150712711
>Bears didn't exist
>MC was the one murdering everyone
What series did you watch exactly?

>>150712741
Who said anything about it being cut when it was airing? Most likely he had a script for 26 episodes but couldn't find funding/a studio willing to take it on, so he had to compress it.

It was about men. The bears symbolized men.

It didn't do much for me. I watched it right after seeing Madoka for the first time and Madoka set the standard really high for me. I was expecting a dark twist but it just stayed... silly, I guess. Never got really serious.

>>150712927
If that was the case he would have changed a few lines.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't in Japanese "eating" a girl an euphemism for sex? That's probably where the entire concept of the show started, even.

>>150713011
You should probably stick to that lowbrow pulp written by someone with no knowledge of the genre, yes.

Honestly, I hated this. There're a lot of things I appreciate about the show: the soundtrack is uniquely composed, enjoyable, and fits the tone of the series; "Ano Mori de Matteru" is arguably the greatest anime opening I'll ever witness and even the ending theme is catchy; the art direction is outlandish and nearly surreal yet creative and pleasing; the mantra-like dialogue is so quotable (perhaps for ironic reasons) it's meme-worthy (shabadadoo); episode 4 contained a genuinely great mini-story; and the series wrapped up nicely—I was still bored out of my skull for a large portion of the finale, but I nonetheless appreciate how it ended. The problem is the narrative itself removed from its theme is so uninspired, bland and poorly executed I could hardly stand to watch 85% of the series due to how ridiculously monotonous and tired it is; by relying heavily on its flamboyant, eccentric style, it attempts to disguise the fact the plot bears no substance (pun intended), but this only highlights what a pretentious mess this series is.

It doesn't help that I literally could not give a fuck less about a single one of the characters (except Life Sexy maybe because lulz). Seriously, every single character and story element in this bloody show exists as a pillar to support its message or symbolism. With characters in particular, it is important to give them life, not just let them exist as devices to accomplish a greater deed. These characters have no life. They are cardboard themes and nothing more.

Maybe if I remotely cared about the message it's attempting to convey (I don't), the fact that this show has no real story or characters wouldn't have mattered to me and I still could've been absorbed in tearing off the mundane superficial cover and feast upon its more elaborate innards. Unfortunately, I still watch anime for its plot and characters, not for social justice propaganda.

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>>150712958
There were men and weren't bears.

>>150713093
Please. The two series are entirely different genres anyway.

@150713138
>SJW
I can't tell if you're shitposting or just dumb, either way you don't deserve a (You)

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>>150713138
I can't understand this, and yet the characters are a common complaint. While it was airing many viewers were talking like they wanted to be served crazy and memorable characters without putting in their own investment to care about them, but this is a show where you need to do half of the work. And for a specific example, Lulu was so well-developed and sympathetic by the time we reached her untimely demise that I'm not sure it's even possible not to love her.

>>150713157
I was talking about Urobochi and Mahou Shoujo.

>>150713259
Onee-sama! Give me a kiss!

>>150713285
You do realize Yurikuma isn't a Mahou Shoujo, I hope?

>>150713285
Urobuchi is a hack. Literally the Jar Jar Abrams of anime

>>150713323
Didn't I just specify that I was talking about Urobochi and Mahou Shoujo?
>>150713209
>it only had a low 7 on MAL and I try to stick to critically acclaimed anime.
Wew, you got me.

>>150713400
>Didn't I just specify that I was talking about Urobochi and Mahou Shoujo?

Which leaves me wondering, what IS your point, if you have one?

The yuri was not even yuri, it was lesbian, and the rest was lame.

>>150713209
5/10 bait, made me reply.

Cyborg bear/background girl romance was more interesting and better written than the main plot.

>>150713417
That Urobochi is a mediocre pulp VN writer with little to no knowledge about the genre.
But the guy was a shitposter so who cares.

>>150713580
>better written
Hot contrarian opinion, but they literally only had one line.

>>150713662
what exactly is a pulp VN?

>>150713580
That remond me how pixiv got many cyborg bear x girl fanarts after the ending just like Shouma x Ringo dominated the Penguindrum tag after the finale despite Ikuhara wanted the audience to be invested on Kanba x Himari and Kureha x Ginko

>>150712958
The bears symbolized being dirty/sullied/lusting for girls. Kureha had to make herself dirty and become a bear in order to give Ginko a Promise Kiss.

Kureha's hubris was that she expected Ginko to become clean/invisible/transparent. But once you've dirtied white paint with some black it doesn't matter how much white you put it. It always comes out gray.

>>150713763
Even the invisible girls lusted for girls.

>>150708677
Shaba da du!!!

>>150713751
Ginko x Lulu and Kureha X Sumika would've been more interesting to explore more. YKA needed some comfy SoL episodes as the setting would've worked for it.

>>150708677
Nothing, its perfect.

>>150713745
Stuff like SnU, Phantom of Inferno and Kikokugai.

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>>150713863
Invisible girls having relationships with invisible girls was perfectly fine.

Excluded girls having relationships with excluded girls was perfectly fine.

Bears having relationships with bears was perfectly fine.

Because the worlds were severed.

But an invisible girl must become excluded in order to have a relationship with an excluded girl. An excluded girl had to become a bear in order to have a relationship with a bear. Otherwise, they would end in ruin.

>>150714080
Of course, that's why bears just generically rapresent undesidered/outcasts and have nothing to do specifically with lusting for girls.

>>150714260
You're saying that like lesbians, actual lesbians and not just girls going through a phase, aren't seen as outcasts/undesirables in Japanese society.

>>150714496
No but it would be riductive.

>>150715587
'Reductive' how? There's a clear cut social hierarchy:

Girls experimenting but keeping it quiet = invisible girls

Girls experimenting but being vocal about it = girls that are excluded in order to draw out the bears

Girls that are exclusively lesbian = bears

Are stories about girls growing up and finding out about their adolescence even relevant nowadays?

>>150715722
Bears have males and heteros unlike humans, as far as we see. The bears = lesbians metaphor really doesn't hold water.

>>150716098
Well some people seem to like Hibike.

>>150716115
Bears = undesirables like lesbians

It's interesting how you're not providing any interpretations yourself. Maybe you've just given up on interpreting YuriKuma

>>150708677
More yuri, less kuma.