Why aren't you pursuing a glamorous and rewarding career

>>150635464
I'm white

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>>150635464
>glamorous and rewarding

>>150635464
>glamorous and rewarding
EHEHE

>>150635507
/thread

>>150635464
Those are the eyes of someone who has given up life

>>150635464
I'm not pursuing a career as a mangaka, however I am planning to make a manga and if by some odd chance it's successful then I'll pursue a career as a mangaka.
The only reason I'm doing this is my excess amount of free time.

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>>150635464
You can make out the last bit of self worth vanish from his eyes.

>>150635464
What happened to him

Gash Bell and Animal Land are great but Vector Ball is garbage

Honestly I'm surprised there aren't more western companies co-oping the manga system of publishing, little to no investment on the editors' part, highly replacable content creators and best of all you get constant new pitches instead of needing to rehash existing IPs and run the risk of killing a franchise by taking a bad turn.

If such a thing did exist in the West I'd give it a shot as a writer, I feel like storyboards are in my grasp but I have no delusions of being a good artist.

Because i don't know how to plan a story or draft panels. And my characters would get backlash from SJWs.

>>150635627
There is no market for Manga in the states and Europe.

>>150635464
Because I'm already pursuing an agonizing and fruitless career as an author.

As this anon said: >>150635627
I would probably try to get involved in a Western equivalent, but definitely not as an artist.

Need the right type of utensils on a laptop.

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Manga and anime is a global standing product, but the market demand is still restricted to the Japanese audience.

There also seems to be a pervading sense of keeping it "truly japanese", I doubt there will be any desire for a manga with Western origin.

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Because mango is boring, I'd rather be an anime director.
And I'm actually working towards it.

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>>150635779
>digital manga.
fucking disgusting anon. you must be the same pleb that makes OEL "manga"
>>150635822
pic related of western "manga"

>>150635970
I do hand drawn

>>150636143
god bless your soul.

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I'd share the small manga I made but every one's just going to make fun of me.

>>150635873
>working towards it
How?

>>150635719
That explains why there are huge Manga and Graphic Novel sections in every major US bookstore

Part of the problem with western comics in a market scenario is that individual chapters and volumes sell poorly and usually need to be collected into Trades before they sell anything, and such trades only tend to come out after a series has been running for months with no real revenue - with a weekly story format running constant new series you get a lot more out of those trades/tankobons/etc because the volume of work you're printing is higher, which also effects your digital distribution margins since online distribution only really turns revenue in the immediate timeframe of release thanks to piracy. In other words, quantity is vital to profit, with quality being a secondary concern that publishers and editors can pick out as needed from the hordes of submitted work.
There is absolutely a demand for this, it just isn't being capitalized on.

>>150636229
share it. i won't make fun of you.

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>>150635970
>fucking disgusting anon.
You're an idiot.

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>>150635464
>glamorous and rewarding
mangaka gets nothing from their anime adaptations and movies

>>150635464
how's manga maker on steam? i bought it on sale

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>They're passion projects guys, you need to make a few sacrifices to do what you love sometimes.

>>150636266
>not recognizing the powergap between a dedicated artist workstation and some fag with a tablet and Paint Tool Sai
C'mon buddy

>>150636266
wow, it doesn't seem that hard, but it really is hard IRL

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>>150635970
There's literally nothing wrong with digital manga you fucking retard.

>>150636313

what even harder is making a livable salary from this

I aim to draw for a living but I know to stay way the fuck away from the mangaka route. Those guys are killing themselves and I don't even know if they are aware of it.

>>150636373
If you're gonna draw a simple dime a dozen shonen/SoL/etc weekly manga you should have to work like a fucking maniac at it, it's a buyer's market as far as the editors are concerned.

Besides the alternative is to be a literally who CalArts robot whose entire job is to shade in the tones on storyboards for 15+ years, so I'd rather at least be able to draw something I like

>>150636373
This. Being a mangaka is too stressful especially when you've been doing the same thing for years.

>>150636373
You could always serialize monthly, and take hiatuses as needed.

>>150636487
If I did it I would make them every two weeks or month depending on whatever mood I'm in.

I keep hearing about manga artists having to go to hospital visits due to their chronic issues

>>150636487
Hiatus's don't put food on the table, pay the bills and gain new audiences

>>150635464.
>tfw meh art style and use to practice everyday in hopes of getting good.
>tfw always wanted to draw a manga centered around a prussian witch becoming obsessed with a commoner.
>tfw entered into college to study law
>tfw haven't drawn in a long time and idea was left as a rough written draft.
Feels bad man.

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>>150636230
I'm developing a story of my own and making it popular in the west - so far it's going fine.
I'll then pitch it to some anime studio within 5 years, when I project the peak audience will happen, and try to get my foot on the door. Learning Japanese as well to make a decent impression.

Ambitious, improbable, but I am used to pulling off stuff like this off. I can always settle for plan B and keep working in the Western market.

>>150636487
>hiatuses
It's hard to take a hiatus especially if you're new. Best case scenario your manga will drop in popularity, worst case scenario, your manga gets axed.

>>150636519
Hahahaha. If I were you I would just post it to RoyalRoad where it belongs.

>>150636437
>CalArts robot
You can always go the self study route which is what I do. Costs way way way below what you'll pay in tuition even to the cheapest art institution. And I've gotten to be pretty decent if I may say so myself.

>>150636516
Go to /ic/ and read the sticky. Also carry a sketchbook with you.

>>150636519
Interesting. Good luck anon.

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The difference between the Eastern and Western mindset, is that artists in the west demand a lot in compensation with what they do. Asians have a commited dedication to see their things through even if it's at the cost of a lot of things.

>>150636519
Is there no animation studio in the west?

>>150636657
The closest and most recent western work that resembles eastern style that I can remember is that Ladybug superhero cartoon. IIRC it was made in France.

>>150635625
Give Vector Ball some time. Remember, Gash Bell also started out subpar.

How do artists even survive? I mean besides the top 5%?

>>150636615
>artists in the west demand a lot in compensation with what they do
If you're good, yes. If you're bad then you just drag down the cost of art and ruin it for everyone else.

>>150636535
Except I have around 15,000 regulars after one year of issuing, and this stuff seems to grow exponentially until it reaches the tipping point. I've not even released a physical copy yet, which for some reason makes even more noise than posting it for free on the Internet.

>>150636586
Thanks, I'll need it.

>>150636615
True that, everyone here seems to look to hit the jackpot and have a peaceful retirement in a tropical island. That mindset is why there are so many hacks holding back the industry.

>>150636657
Well, maybe the Korra guys could animate it, but it's still not as good as a mid-tier anime studio. I would love Ankama doing it, but they probably have their hands full and the style doesn't quite fight.

I always thought roleplaying belonged to a different board.

>>150636701
the bottom 95% are sjws, hipsters and millennials making frivolous decisions with their parents money.
throwing paint on a wall wont make you shit.

>>150636711
Yes, but Unions tend to keep eveyone's cost equal despite their skills

>>150635464
Mangaka get treated like shit by publishers, work like 12-14 hours a day, make shit money unless you're doing a top 3 bestseller and you're a joke to real writers and artists. I'm a part time ghost writer and still make more money than 70% of mangaka and that's not counting the money from my published works.

>>150635464
He's younger than I imagined

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>>150636801
That's why I don't fully think Kentaro Miura has to die.
He's just abusing a system that abuses people;

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Someone remind me
Is One Punch Man self published? I think Japan could use a boost in the doujin/independent scene when it comes to manga.I think a lot of mangaka can produce some good work when they can set their schedules.

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Now that millennials are taking helm of the future, and many of them are familiar or at least fans of anime and manga, do you think there's a chance that they might promote the industry of it to other parts of the world?

>>150636926
I unironically believe this useless generation will be the one to ruin the Earth forever.

>>150636926
What? Manga and anime has been popular in the west for years it might slightly more popular but that's about it, will it ever be as popular say Marvel or DC? Hell no, manga and anime is actually a dying industry look at the sales of anime, the shrinking and brainless copy and paste stories coming out. Manga is doing better but not by much.

>>150635464
Because I'm bad at everything I do.

>>150637070

>dying industry

Like superhero comics were in early 2000 amirite?

>>150637135
>Like superhero comics were in early 2000 amirite?

Comic sales on the industry level are down. Don't mistake the continued success on television and the explosive success in theatres for a comparative revival in the comic industry (the whole industry makes less annually then the typical comic book blockbuster, even flops, make)

>>150636884
One Punch Man originally was a self-published webcomic. Then it got turned into a published manga.

>>150637070
Copy and Paste stuff comes from low industry standards and the ability for writers who do not actually try getting published in Japan.

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>>150636926

>>150635464
>Why aren't you pursuing a glamorous and rewarding career as a Mangaka /a/?
>Raiku
the guy had to sell his house to live

Either you are extremely good at writing plot or drawing characters, it's rare to see one can do both at his best.
Most of the popular works I see nowadays are consisted of 2 guys working together to bring the best out of it.
If I could choose then I would be one that can draw, not only work for official works but hentai doujin in my free time.

>>150636884
It's a webcomic at first (by ONE), manga you put up at a website and becomes successful enough for someone (Murata) to redraw it and published by some magazine.
The most realistic prospect I see for anons to enter manga industry are to write some webnovel and if you're lucky some publisher would pick it up and along the way the publiser would give some mangaka to made a manga spin-off.

is it possible to have your manga published near-anonymously?
if i wanted, could i just use a pen name and mail all of my work to the publisher?

>>150639154
No meeting the publisher = nono.
You can conceal your identity from the public only.

Especially because you have to pay your taxes and receive money deposits.

>>150636239
What about the weekly/monthly anthology format? They seems to do decent in nipland right?
You can call it "Weekly Batman" and it'd contain 5 diffrent remakes of the Batman storyline from 5 diffrent authors.

I will be the next Shindol, just you wait.

>>150635464

Because I don't hate myself

ITT: We prove that /x/ is not the only board to engage in mass delusions.
At least /x/ is deluded ironically.

>>150635464

I have no artistic ability or imagination.

>making a stressful job out of art
>not just doing it as a hobby for fun

It's like you don't want to enjoy life and just work yourself to death.

>>150640064
haha its like i have other options haha i want to die lol

>>150635464
I lack the enormous powerlevel of passion Kubo-sensei has.

>>150640064
Doing it as a hobby will barely get you to the same level of excellence, though.

>can't afford software for digital manga creation
>can't afford a cintiq

>>150635464
I have no imagination, all I could create would be recycled harems, isekai and ideas stolen from /a/.

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>draw manga in high school
>dig it out of my stack of old notebooks 3 years later
>both the story and the art were autistic as fuck
>burn the notebooks and hope to god nobody else saw it

haven't drawn anything since
probably for the better

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>>150635464

I can't fucking draw.

>>150640271
Nigga, SAI is like 10$. A Hiuon large is around 50$. You don't need the best gear out there especially if you're a beginner.

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>>150640656
How much worse than your typical weab manga of early 00s? You should have posted it on the interwebs, then it'd be eternal.

>>150640821
I get by with a Wacom Intuos.

Then again I hardly draw because of my military career

>>150636516
Turn it into a novel

>>150635464
I can't draw, and the stories I would pump out would not be successful.

>>150641404
You'll never know, it might be the next Oreimo.

>>150641432
I can't tell if you're mocking me anon or if you're actually serious.

>Implying i won't be the one making Naruto 3

Just wait and see.

>>150639154
You can go indie, publish your work online and collect $$$ on Patreon.

>>150635464
Because if I did I would be /co/.

>>150640064
Someone had to sit down and create these manga you like to read so much.

>>150635464
Someday I may. Right now though I'm learning to draw so that I can create perverted shit and do a patreon with it.

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>>150641600
Are there plenty of manga artists living off of Patreon?

I know the barrier to entry in the manga industry is hard, I know an editor in Japan, they tend to discriminate Gaijin though

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I am, but I'm shit and not Japanese, so nobody gives a fuck.

>>150641681
I'm certain that there's an Asain equivalent of it but i can't fucking remember the name of it.

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>>150641728
You aren't alone

>>150641681
Nobody will discriminate against an amazing artist and storyteller. Just git gud.

>>150635464
Honestly, being a Light novel author seems more profitable and a lot less work.

Because I'm already pursuing a glamorous and rewarding career as a published author. :^)

>>150641681
I wouldn't say many, but there are a few who get ~$400 per month for drawing their own manga or comics. Although if you are good and have the audience, it seems to be easier to pander to people who like fanarts. Or porn.

>>150641728
1. Become not shit.
2. Move to Japan.
Worked for NGNL author.

>>150635719
There is.
Stupid burger.

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>>150641770
>If only it were true, anon

Many times, skill doesn't matter as long as the audience wants it

>>150641681
>I know an editor in Japan
Can you get into industry through his bed?

>>150639309
You just hit on another issue. Western comics don't have author/editor driven worlds because the characters at play already exist. Yes, you get to determine some things as an author but we know Bruce Wayne's and superman's issues already. It's an interesting model, letting the property and its history determine as much as the author can, but it creates many problems. There is no 'official story' you may like one element in each imagining and hate everything else and you will never feel like you are getting anything authoritative. As blue balled as people feel when they find that a One Piece character they thought died 500 chapters ago is actually alive, entire serializations have no impact on the characters or world when it comes to Western Comics.

>>150641921
>Worked for NGNL author.

At what point did he become "not shit"?

>>150635464

Because I'm not living in Japan and my drawing and language skills are below average.

>>150641929
Skill always matters, every successful shit is successful for a reason. It may not be highest art but it hits in many right places which makes it popular.

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>>150642030
You need to take off those pink tinted glasses you have on anon, else you hurt yourself

>>150642062
Don't worry, if one day my art will truly be great and i will be able to make an emotionally involving story with passable dialogue and noone will still read my shit I'm fully okay with dying as an unrecognized genius. It's all about walking the walk anyway.

>>150642272
That mindset is way better than mine, I'm disgustingly greedy.

If I have a better art and writing skill, I want alot of people to read and appreciate it. I can't walk away peacefully without knowing that.

>>150642560
to be fair i'm only saying that because i'm shit. If i will be pretty good and still like noone will read my shit for years than of course I will get frustrated, but for now i'm good.

You don't become a mangaka outside of Japan. Not without throwing away a gigantic chunk of your life and dedicating that time to drawing. You have to die on the inside.
Drawing, and studying - it's a grind and you can't stop. No friends, very little family interaction.
Impossible in the west unless you live with someone who doesn't care what you do.
Maybe you can manage, maybe, with a part time job on the side. But if you aren't sleeping or working, you have to be drawing.

>>150636313
Speaking as an artfag, it's easy but very tedious. How well you draw depends on how skilled you are.
Adding more effort makes it look more polished, but no amount of effort replaces skill that you grow over years/decades of practice.
A quick sketch by a master looks better than a finished piece by a newbie, if you're not the kind of casual that jizzes at 'muh rendering'.

>>150641983
Well, he got published, so he is above average. And don't you try to find out what "average" is. You won't like it when you find out.

>>150642770
>Not without throwing away a gigantic chunk of your life and dedicating that time to drawing.
Or you can just start drawing in elementary school and don't give up. That's how artists normally do.

>>150642770
>it's a grind
But what about talent? Can talentless anon who can't draw a stick figure get gud enough to draw fappabe waifus?

>>150635464
I'm too fond to sleep

>>150640178
Not if you're NEET who has the time to get gud.

>>150641618

They'd probably be better quality if the authors weren't forced to pull shit out of their asses and rush the art because of deadlines to be honest.

>>150643202
Draw 3-4 hours per day for a couple of years and see where you end up.
Talent is a meme, every god tier artist has been drawing like a maniac their entire life.

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>>150641929
>>If only it were true, anon
>Many times, skill doesn't matter as long as the audience wants it
You can't follow basic logic.

The fact that shitty nip stuff gets issued doesn't mean a good western author will get shunned - it just means shitty western authors have no chance.

>>150641921
>Worked for NGNL author.
You are retarded.

NGNL's author was born in Brazil, but has lived in Japan since childhood, and his parents are both Japanese. Even so he faced a lot of bullying and took a lot of time to be recognized.

Seriously, /a/ is the lowest pit of disinformation.

>>150643336
>he faced a lot of bullying
Wht sort of bullying?

>>150643452
Ijime at school. Even though he was 99% Japanese, the fact that he came from abroad was enough for discrimination.

Besides, anon spoke as if NGNL was a regular gaijin making it big in Japan, when he's 99% Japanese and thus is not comparable to people in this thread.

>>150636716
So, when you post link?

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>There are people who actually believe simply moving to Japan will be easy. A supposed utopia of equality, acceptance and opportunity.

You get shooed away from certain bar if you aren't Japanese let alone passibly speak the language. What makes you think any magazine will give you a time of day?

>>150643335
>Talent is a meme

Too bad I'm living proof that just drawing like a maniac your entire life isn't enough to make you god tier.

>>150635464
I dont want to die o fa stroke at 30

>>150643683
Rip anon.

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Is it too hard to have a walk for an hour early every day?

>>150643658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM39qhXle4g
Try to reflect on where you went wrong.
Unless you're physically disabled or not learning effectively, then you can believe it's because you're not "talented".

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>>150643630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VI0tA09y1E
00:50

If you don't know either Portuguese or Japanese, at least listen to the words "ijime" and "chuugakkou" being said.

Seriously, /a/, do your fucking research.

>>150643772

I'm a bachelor of arts, m8

>>150635464
same reason I don't make video games.

I enjoy playing video games, not making them.

Making something requires effort and hard work, especially if you want it to be decent. I suck at drawing, and all of my stories would be stupid.

I enjoy reading manga, not making it.

>>150643789
Another thing: he barely speaks Portuguese - sounds like a retard. There is barely any Brazilian culture left in him, but he was still "that gaijin".

>>150643537
>99%
>real name: Thiago Furukawa Lucas
Looks like 50 to me.
Okay, I understand why schoolchildren bullied him (fuck schoolchildren, the only thing worse than schoolchildren are the same people grown up), but did readers/editors/publisher bully him too?

>>150643837
His father looks somewhat nip, 50%? 25%? Therefore he's 62,5%~75%.

>>150643657
>What makes you think any magazine will give you a time of day?
You can join Ken Akamatsu's site where anyone can publish their manga for free.
Or you can start you own magazine so that publisher doesn't take away money that is rightfully yours.

>>150643789
Why you post some fat nip when I asked for your supposedly popular manga?

>>150644019
Uhh... my bad, for some reason I thought you were replying to my post at >>150643537
Brainfarted.

>>150635464

http://www.manga-audition.com/

What do you think about this site?
Some of the past winners are doing oneshots with dialogue. They probably have editors too.

>>150644175
>manga
>audition
Is her voice as bad in the manga?

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>>150636266
>all that time for a single character
>some people will still call it shit drawing
>even in Japan some will outright shun the profession
>will most likely have to whore out his characters and draw hentai like a down on his luck father and his children to earn a meager living
>even more likely to develop cancer because being a manga artist is deadly

rough

>>150644266
I want to dance with the crabs.

>>150643270
any kind of creative job is essentially based around deadlines
deadlines are what keep you going
you can't not have a deadline if you want to get anything done

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>>150635464
Wages are only sufficient for subsistence living in Japan. Foreigner? Good luck getting a wage increase. They'll just drop you and get a new desperate replacement.

>>150635464
I enjoy drawing, why would I want to destroy that
But thanks for reminding me that I haven't drawn anything since march.

They are already adapting Chinese shit in Japan. Can't be impossible for Western shit to get adapted.

>>150644622
yeah but china didn't drop two nukes on them and they both have almond eyes

>>150644662
>West = USA
Get a load of this clapper.

>>150635507
fpbp

>>150644867
not my fault europe is too busy reading the quran, canada doesn't care, and south america is too busy with poverty and latin half-breed memes

>>150643813
that explains why you're shit.

>>150635464
i can draw good, but i draw too slow.

>>150635464
I just want to be a novelist tho

>>150643813
A college degree doesn't mean shit in illustration.

>>150635464
Drawing takes too much time investment to get good at and the chances of making a career out of it--let alone a rewarding one--are slim to none. Specifically becoming a mangaka would be nearly impossible because you would need to be fluent in Japanese and already have a high degree of skill in drawing chinese cartoons. Not to mention getting connected to the industry as an outsider AND foreigner.

However, I've always wanted to pick up drawing as a hobby and make webcomics or something for fun. Maybe some day.

>>150644962
>south america is too busy with poverty
NGNL author is from there.
>and latin half-breed memes
Oh, nevermind.

>All this weekly mangaka dying one by one
Sure m8

if you look past all the SJW bullshit there's quite a good amount of good artists on tumblr
shame their SJW mindset prevents them from being good authors

>>150643658
You probably didn't learn how to draw effectively. Go to /ic/ and read the guide there. Learning to draw is a difficult process which requires more than just sitting down and drawing all day.

You have to perform studies and do drills in order to develop your fundamentals. Fundamentals are key, and if you lack skill in even one fundamental then you will fail to progress to more complicated works.

You must focus on understanding form and draw from reality in order to build upon your skills and mental library. And if you fail to learn in the correct order, you will have to start back from the beginning and try again until you truly grasp the concepts.

>>150645344
tumblr is just a platform, not a hivemind

many artists who don't engage in tumblr culture use it as a platform to share their art and thoughts

not everyone who uses the site is an SJW, it's mostly just a /v/ mindset that's spiralled out of control

>>150644929
>Deltora Quest
I googled it.
> A 65 part Deltora Quest anime series of the first eight books began its broadcast season in Japan on January 6, 2007.
>65 part anime series
How the fuck. How did she make it possible?

>You will never be able to draw you're waifu
why life

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>>150635464
I am. I'm going to practice drawing every day until I make it.

>>150641681
The real money for non-pro gaijins is Western fetish porn. Furfags pay especially well for decent enough art, so if you're willing to sell your soul and live in disgust of yourself, you can get easy bucks that way.

I would like to. Since I'm not Japanese, I don't have high hopes for myself. I don't draw red noses, so I don't expect to get popular in the West either, but for some reason I keep at it.
Actually I hate being an artist and that I enjoy drawing. Lots of autism and depression comes with being an artist.

>>150645520
I mean how did she get an anime adaptation in first place, and a series by major studio to boot, when most endeavors either end up as MMD animation or fail at getting funds stage.

Because I'm doing a job that is the same in studio except I draw buildings and my editors pay me to do it.

>>150635970

Tsugumomo's author does digital and his art god-tier. Western retards are stuck at DA level

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>>150635970
>Svetlana Chmakova
I knew I had read that name before. She made "On the Importance of Space Travel" which I've seen storytimed on /v/ a few times.

No one cares.

I know how to draw but I can't make original stories or characters. I also don't have a sense of humor

>>150646197
>Nips loved it
And here is recipe for success, everyone.

>>150646402
I only found out about her this weekend. Saw her drawing on that new Surface workstation on the show New Screen Savers. I didn't realize how popular she is.

>>150646070
Teach me senpai, where do I start? Deviantart?

>try to draw
>can't
>want to kill myself
>do something to take my mind off of it
>feel like trying again
>rinse and repeat

I'm so fucking bad at and I've tried using shit like Loomis but it didn't help at all and I hate it
I've always liked drawing and whenever I showed people my drawings they'd say they're good or whatever but I think they're fucking awful and now I can't even complete a single drawing because I get fed up with how bad it is halfway through and stop it
fucking hell I'd give my left nut to be able to draw well

>>150646479
Not that guy but I will always recommend tumblr. Went from zero to 2k followers in a year. While my DA is only in the 3 digits. It also helps being a part of a fandom. Mine is MLP

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>>150635507

>>150646575
>Went from zero
Did you mean "Zero kara Hajimeru"?

>>150646532
Stop expecting yourself to make anything good. Focus on fundamentals. Draw a sketch of something you like once in a while and laugh at how bad you are. Slowly integrate new skills into your work and continue drilling fundamentals and doing warmup exercises. Read art books for the exercises and assignments. Make up quotas.

But most of all, don't try to be good. Just try to get better. Progress comes gradually.

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>>150647144
Post you're work

I wonder if any English speaking mangaka have ever been on /a/.

>>150644929
>>150645520
>>150646197
>>150646717
What happened here?

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>>150635464
There are two reasons: I wasn't born in Japan and I'm white.

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>>150647367

>>150635507
/thread

I wish I had a better work ethic. I can draw well enough that I've made money on it and I can draw pretty fast, but I can only muster up the energy to make a polished drawing once every couple weeks. It's mentally taxing, and while the dream is would be to make a world-famous comic, I'm worried that I'd give up too early.

>>150644611
Neither have I.My nigga.

I can draw.But can't sell my art at all.
My cousin took two of my trashy sketches and sold them for 100$ bitch wouldn't even share it

>>150640922
How well do novels do in Japan? Especially from foreigners?

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>>150643772
>feedback is worth its price in gold
Then... feedback is worthless?

>>150648652
>I wish I had a better work ethic. I can draw well enough that I've made money on it and I can draw pretty fast, but I can only muster up the energy to make a polished drawing once every couple weeks. It's mentally taxing, and while the dream is would be to make a world-famous comic, I'm worried that I'd give up too early.
It is painful to have weak determination.

>>150648793
Says quite a lot about the creative industries, doesn't it

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>>150635464
Working on it.
https://issuu.com/saw08
I'm just incredibly slooooooooooooooooow.

>>150650703
Are you Japanese?

>>150635507

Couldn't have put it better. You practically need to be Japanese to have a chance.

>>150636312
>Thinking that it's the tool that makes the artist

This is so basic that I'm afraid that I'm being baited.

because I'm not Gene Simmons son

>>150651481
You overestimate laymen

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Would /a/ read my manga?

>>150652075
Is it an isekai story? What is his op power?

>>150645366
Question, do figure studies help? I'm mostly self taught and have been trying to use those to improve.

>>150636266
The fact that he spent so little effort on such a chickenscratch sketch triggers me
It shows in the finished piece too
Symbol drawn turd polishing
at least this gives me hope when compared with my own drawings. My rendering is shit to none but i do fundamentals practice all day long

>>150650703
>That intro sequence

Picked the fuck up

>That gun

Dropped the fuck down.

>>150649674
The third most popular book in Japan is not Japanese. No points fo guessing which book it is.

>>150652139
He is the son of B○lma, a very powerful scientist who built a Time Machine and inadvertently sent him into the past. He joins the Round Table and helps fighting Vikings and dragons off the land of Galromassya.

His main power is knowledge about technology and science, and his sword is crafted by non other than Leonardo da Vinci.

>>150652406
I see /ic/ shitposting has made it to /a/
Feels like home desu

>>150652075
You know you are progressive whey it's impossible to tell if your character is a man or a woman.

>>150652204
Yes but I would recommend still lives first before figure studies. Stick to simple shapes first like cylinders and cubes, get used to those. It would make figures easier as their form is a lot more complex

>>150652204
>drawing entire life
>didn't do figure studies
No wonder you're not god tier, jesus
You need a metric fuckload of practice, but drawing without references is just masturbatory

>>150652706
I'm not that same guy you fuckpump.

>>150652523
But she has boobs

>>150636266
Dem arms
She'd be great for deadlifts.

>>150652870
And so do male bodybuilders.

>>150652811
Gomen
Still, studies are borderline nexessary for growth, whatever it is you want/need to work on

>>150652563
Does that apply for backgrounds?

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>>150643041
Good idea! I'll try that! Hold my beer, anon! I'm going to my local kindergarten!

People sell their doujins at conventions in Japan. Is it possible to make a living from that?

>>150654316
Nope.
Turn to doing commissions online (and by that i mean 90% furry porn) and you can get along while you look for something better
It's not a long term solution though

>tfw drawings are deviantart tier at best

kill me

>>150654316
Haha no. A lot of those are produced at a loss. You'd have to be an incredibly popular artist, and people who become like that simply get scouted.

>>150645226
>Drawing takes too much time investment to get good
I am Goku.
>the chances of making a career out of it are slim to none.
This is why you must be the very best, like no one ever was.
>because you would need to be fluent in Japanese
Yes, because if I only draw mediocre manga, going to Japan to compete with others for a mediocre salary must be a good idea, huh anon?
People will translate for you if you're good.
>Not to mention getting connected to the industry as an outsider AND foreigner.
They give multiple opportunities but people submit deviantart shit and the nips realize the west is entitled and lazy.

>>150654792
No excuse.

Good art doesn't makes up for good plot and good characters.

>>150655180
Though you do have to be on the radar before you get scouted.
Connections are the best way, but barring that you should self-promote EVERYWHRE. You have a lot more to work with after the first one scouts/hires you.

>>150655356
I don't care about plot or characters I just wanna be good at drawing

Not completely related, but does anyone know where to get "Manga Time Special" raws?

>>150655656
Then don't sit here and get drawing.

>>150655656
Go to /ic/, read the sticky, go to drawfag threads on any board and draw draw draw draw draw

>be lurk thread
>artists posting mangoes has low power levels
>i am disappoint
>still can't find out what flavor mango /a/ wants
>they tsundere and dodge all my questions
>is this even blog?
>could make mango but why make mango?
>is there more than mango?
>is all i know mango?
>maybe one day i will transcend reality and become mango
>until then i write mango
What do you fucks want. Seriously just tell me.
>inb4 "show yer art cuz ur probly shit"
FUCK OFF WITH YOUR GAY SHIT
>remember why i draw
>pull out dick
>fap to line art das it man.jpg
>cum on drawing of qt waifu
>HHHNNNNGGGGG
>notice something wong
>the drawings nose
>tumblr
>I FUCKING HATE TUMBLR
>fuck the drawings nose
>i cum again.
>my dick spasms artistically drawing an ahegao face
>get papercut and die

>>150641681
Japanese mangakas dont care about Gaijin money, they really only want 100% japanese audience.

Only ShindoL use pantreon and because he´s live in New York

I can't draw for shit

It's a shitty lifestyle that's probably gonna take several years off of your life

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>>150654316

I dont understand who buy doujins. They don't have ISBN or are printed in common A4 paper

How different is publishing a single, self-contained manga (i mean longer than a oneshot, but no filler) to a serialisation? I'm guessing the barrier to entry is higher and pay is lower, but it's on my bucket list

>>150656130
there is no barrier.
i could get off my ass right fucking now and draw the first manga that comes to my head.
no cost. no publishing. no shit.
just 20 pages minimum and 50 hours of my week.

>>150656213
Actually drawing it isn't the problem. I know that once i can draw passable backgrounds, which is gonna take about a year of practice, i could have it done in about 6-9 months. It's mostly the publishing that bothers me.

>>150635507
t. Argentinian

>>150635464
I am, but its surpring how there are so few people interested in reading equatorian light novels, and i can only write in spanish so it kind of sucks.

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>>150656315
anon, you just have to stop thinking for a second. let go.
people will come to you if you're good.
backgrounds should only take a few weeks of practice as they are just lines.
publishers will come as long as you're good.
it shouldn't take 9 months. how often do you plan to release these anyways?

>>150656377
>i can only write in spanish
Bullshit, unless you can't English properly
Nobody wants to read LNs unless you're pandering to them anyways, the closest equivalent in the west is YA.

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>>150636266
Her neck is fucking long.

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i drawing a hentai manga

if i can make 50 bucks with this i can consider myself successful.

>>150656409
I'm kubo level when it comes to backgrounds.
My plan is to draw it start to finish and release it as a complete thing. The time estimate is conservative because i know there are kinks to be worked out, i'm sure anything i would do after that would be faster. Blogshit: My laptop got smashed so i'm limited to paper, which is frustrating as all fuck. It'll take me some 6 more months until i can get a new one, otherwise i'd be working on it right now. Hell, i'd have an art blog and everything set up right now, i was already filling one out by the time i was forced to switch to traditional. I'm already in a better position than most anons trying to draw seriously are, and i just want to work on it already, christ.

>>150656688
For someone drawing hentai, your anatomy sure needs work

>>150656867
Reminds me of 90's doujins.

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How long does it take to achieve the artistic skills of hentai masters?

>>150656688
That dick sure has got alot of detail compared to the female

>>150656952
It looks like the head is fused with the shaft
At least the rendering's competent

>>150635464
My hands shake

If I had the skills I'd make artsy and "alternative" stuff mixed in with more regular series that just have a nice vibe

>>150656867

everything needs work
but only the time can make me good i guess

i really improved a lot in the past years...

>>150656688
Looks like shit

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>>150656688
Nice hands.

>>150656688
>this earns people money

>>150657359

THIS >>150657293 earned people money

>>150646402
That story was actually my childhood favorite comic. Happened to find it from browsing my school library, then I got way too deep in manga since.

The artist has a very good artstyle and story here, but it saddens me that all of her other works are utter shit that is laughed at by everyone.

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I'm trying, but I can only make money with knee inflation fetish porn.

;_;

>>150656688
Your art has room for improvement but those dubble dubs are quite immaculate. It's a sign you should keep at it.

>>150657245

it sure is

but i still can make a few bucks right?

right?

>>150657445
GOD DAMN

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>>150657445
Way ahead of you, fella.

>>150657445
I'm... Impressed.

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>>150657445
I wasn't aware there was a market for this sort of thing.

>>150655928
>he

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>>150644073
still havent posted your popular manga, dont change the issue you faggt post it. It might get more popular /a/ has shit taste anyways.

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I'm black. And my art is shit

Pick related is my favorite drawing. They're the main characters of my story.

>>150657902
>I'm black
Nobody outside of /pol/ cares
If that's your favourite drawing, good god what do the others look like

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>>150657967
>no one cares

But you bothered to reply, though.

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>>150635464
Because I like boring

>>150658012
Because of the pic.
Its on the level of >>150657293 and i want to see more.

>>150636519

so you're the guy shitposting Keit-Ai

>>150636716
That mindset is also why America has created some of the best innovation and scientific breakthroughs of the modern era.

I'm still writing it but it'll probably turn out as a graphic novel because I'm not Japanese.

>>150658140
Engineering, not scientific.
America is pretty shit when it comes to science. Most if not all the scientists who made progress in the states were educated elsewhere.

>>150645420
not everyone there is sjw garbage, just the ones that are vocal.

>>150636266
I'm really not sure if an image like that deserves that much effort

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>>150658051
I drew this for my santa.

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>>150657902
>my art
I don't mean to offend but... I know two other black weebs who draw exactly like this.

Can you tell me more about these head shapes and why/whether they particularly appeal to you?

Are you from the US too? The ones I know are. And I know some black weebs from my country and they don't do it.

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>>150657445
...what?

>>150658201
And we're given the resources and freedom to do so here.

>>150658304
Black weebs seem to not be able to into chins. My friends were the same way.

>>150658266
That one looks better. Though thats like saying getting paralyzed from the waist down is better than also having your dick lopped off.
If you're gonna be halfway serious about your story, you have a lot of work ahead of you. /ic/ is as good a place to start as any.

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>>150641681

If your art is genuinely good, patreon can make you rich as fuck, you don't even need to be original or even have a story, I'm talking just fanart.

Pic/link related gets $30k a month, A FUCKING MONTH!!!!!
And she literally just draws flavor of the week shit and nothing else.

https://www.patreon.com/sakimichan

>>150652303
>>150650703
>Give everything a nice stylized flavor
>Put in obviously traced, out-of-character guns
Complete eye-sore. You threw away the only thing you had going for you. Even if you were idea drawing, it would be better than where you are.

>>150658343
Sure.
But the thing about American society (that's spreading like cancer) is that it's extremely polarized.
If you're great or above, you can go further than anywhere else.
If you're good or below, you're gonna get shat on.
It's a very results-oriented environment, and it's pretty fucking bad if you're not already great.

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Is everyone here low class scum?
Am I the only person that thinks they are naturally talented?
>>150657902
draw more scrub lord
>>150657445
my fucking sides
>>150656937
about 2 to 4 years. pic you attached really isn't that hard to achieve and i'm more than confident that i could reach that level easily

>>150656867

Did you see some shit on sad panda, this anon is fucking Michelangelo compared to some of them.

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>>150657520

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>>150658492
>sakimichan
>genuinely good
Shit like that and kr0nmeme piss me the fuck off
It's all in the rendering and people just gobble that shit up

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>>150658492
Holy shit the resemblance is too shamefully close.

>>150635464
not japanese nor native english, also only posses intermediate drawings skills

>>150656688
this is pretty good, you should just draw furry and learn to swim in money.

>>150658692
Doesn't matter, she gets 100K i couple of months, she's literally a millionaire

>>150657902
>>150658266
Is it too hard to get a simple tablet and Sai? I can barely make anything out, or at least a better camera.

>>150658492
Patreon gets a cut of the monthly earnings, not to mention tax's

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>>150658575
Post your fucking work, then

>>150658745
why not be billionaire mangaka?

>>150658492
That money is taxed and patreon takes a pretty big chunk of it. She's well off but not rolling in dough like people imagine.

>>150658745
Which is exactly why it pisses me off
Sure, they're not bad, but the only reason they're so successful is the combo of pandering + people have no sense of aesthetics

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>>150658787
I ain't posting shit y'shitter.

>>150658787
garbage.

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>>150658882
Noballs birdposter

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>>150652303
>>150658506
Maaaan, I didn't trace shit. I put some good time in and I liked the results. If I was I going to trace, I could just take pics and cut and paste em in. I'm sticking to my guns.

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>>150658492
>a month
Read it again. Every two weeks, friendo.

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>>150658965
stop it anon you're making me look bad

>>150658979
Stylize them more, you hack

>>150658965
You really need to work on your line.

>>150658965

Reminds me of Ben10

>>150636266
To this day I don't understand why Japan never uses Illustrator.

They always use some shitty Jap made raster graphics problem.

>>150658979
Perfectly orthogonal perspectives look really bad, no matter what you're drawing
Unless you're going for a good shot, which isn't the case here

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>>150658838
>>150658759
Patreon used to display the "total donations" amount, but now only displays the "total received by the artists". Their cut and taxes are already discounted there, else she'd be on the 40k mark.

>>150658981

It says 1-2 terms per month, I just posted the worst case scenario, but yeah, if she does two, then it's 60k

>>150658979
Stylize them, my issue wasn't with them being traced, just them clashing with everything else.

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>>150659116

So she's actually earning 30-60k per month?

>>150659133
I was okay with the guns, but those photographs tossed around a few panels really threw me off.
Was that artistic deliberation or time constraint issues? Don't do it anymore.

>>150637001
found the millenial

>>150640271
>Can't afford pen and paper
Majority of manga is still drawn by hand, you dingus.

>>150640271
>using Cintiq
>be bought into the Wacom meme

Surface Studio is the future.

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>>150659042
use it as motivation to git gudder
>>150659077
...it actually does now that i look at it again
I pretty much took unit-02 and added more limbs/eyes and less details

While we're at it circlejerking in this /ic/ chatroom -
Can someone post 20+ links of useful art tutorials that can guide my raw talent?

>>150635464
I'm about 1/3 (8 chapters) done with adapting my novel "heart wars" into the manga format. I won't share it, until it is 100% done, because I have a history of leaving people disappointed with unfinished projects. Also, I'm adapting hamlet into manga, as a side project. I just have so many interesting ideas about this play. And I am writing 1 novel and 2 short stories for an upcoming writing competition. And then there is the Crime and punishment movie, that my class is making (I'm financing, writing, directing and doing many other tasks).

What will become of me, a writer, a mangaka or a director? I hope to become all three.

>>150659324
Go ask the drawfag thread. One guy there shared a link where I downloaded a huge load of manga tutorial books.

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>>150659196
Not entirely sure as I don't stalk her page anymore, but she used to make contests where you could earn up to 2k dollars - so there is some money being re-applied into the campaign itself.

But don't forget she also sells ALL of her tutorials on GumRoad and other sites like that - so there's even more money involved.

I wonder what I would do if I were her - I would have what to spend money on... I'd have to start a company just to inject some funds in it.

>>150659344
>adapting Hamlet into a manga
>hasn't finished a serious work, ever
The best thing you could possibly make is a 1:1 adaptation, if you don't fuck it up royally, if you finish it at all
>>150659324
Boku no tutorial threads on /ic/

>>150658981
For what purpose?

>>150656488
I didnt understand this comment to its full extend. But yeah, i cant english for shit.

>>150659294
can i get gooder with you?

>>150659495
YA is young adult, shit like harry potter, hunger games etc. It's the thing you should be aiming for if you want to make something like LNs for a western audience.

>>150641741
>>150641681
>Pixiv

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>>150659514
Post your work, then i'll think about it

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>>150659622
Y-you're breaking my balls anon.

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>>150658575
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>>150659759
Get a god damn job you nignog. I work as an IT technician, fucking scanners are 30 bucks

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>>150659710
You (as does every artist ever) need fundamentals
All i can do is tell you what to practice

>>150658492
You forgot the part where she's coming from Deviantart, where she already had a huge fanbase (31 million pageviews) built over a decade.

>>150659449
>hasn't finished a serious work, ever.
I have finished two novels and a movie script.
>The best thing you could possibly make is a 1:1 adaptation, if you don't fuck it up royally, if you finish it at all
I'm not going for a 1:1 adaptation. I'm changing a lot of the characters, without changing the plot or most of the dialogue. its mostly the same, but with more emphasis on certain character motivations and it basically a whole new spin on the whole thing.

>>150659883
yes. and can you provide me a steady supply of line art to fap too?

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>>150659921
I guess i could
Start with breaking down objects into simple shapes in your head, and understanding how they work together as a whole
Eg an arm, at its simplest, is a half ball (shoulder), a cyllinder, a ball, a cyllinder and a hand (which is a more complex set of shapes)
The starting point doesn't really matter as long as you practice, but imo understanding how everything fits togwther is the 'most fundamental'