Will Kyoani ever be able to top this?

>>150620866
Yes.

>>150620866
This is their magnum opus, so probably not soon. Maybe if they make a S3 of Haruhi it will be able to top this but it would be a stretch.

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Only took them four years to

>>150621048
Love Story was good but not AS good as Shoushitsu.

>>150621048
Mediocre, just slightly better than the series.

>>150621048
While Love Story was genuinely amazing by all means, I don't think it topped Disappearance. It was the next closest thing they've done along with Hyouka though.

But it's not like anyone else here actually watched Love Story.

>>150620866
Yes, they've already made several better things and it's not even their best movie.

>>150620866
They will never top Disappearance until they get their hands on good source material again, regardless how good their animators and directors get.
Relying on their terrible LNs, mediocre manga like Koe no Karachi and their own writers of questionable skills, as >>150621048 shows, isn't the way.

>>150620866
Broadcast or chronological?

>>150621446
this, they should go back to adapting other's terrible LNs like haruhi

>>150621740
Both.

>>150621842
Which first?

They will at some point, but not soon.

>>150621777
There's nothing terrible about Haruhi.

Honest question, does people like Haruhi that much? I found it average if not mediocre.

>>150620866
Already done multiple times in fact

>>150621961
Broadcast.

Okay, why do people praise this anime so much? I watched it years ago and I liked it, but I didn't think it was amazing. Is there someething I'm missing?

>>150622075
Fanboys nostalgiafagging as usual.

>>150621999
They used to but know liking it is uncool, like liking TTLG or Madoka.

>>150622075
Yes. You probably were too young back then if you weren't touched by Kyon's divine grace, watch it again

>>150621984
It's nothing but terrible aside from the movie which is barely above average. Just a trashy dressed up LN like all of their LN adaptations.

>>150621048
I wouldn't put Love Story over Disappearance, but I do think they're equal.

>>150622075
Good writing with multiple levels of reading, production values, chill narrator MC, enjoyable mash of multiple genra. The movie especially.

>>150622240
Your opinion is trash Anon.

>>150622075
Probably.
In characterization, meta narrative and existential approach on the coming of age story, Haruhi is easily on the level of Evangelion.
But since it lacks Eva's seriousness and sense of self-importance, everything goes over most people's heads.

>>150622340
Not to mention Haruhi's plot make more sense than Eva's even though it's literally made up by a 16 year old chuuni girl

>>150622240
It's above and beyond almost every LN ever written.

>>150622423
I'd say they are on the same level, but you can't expect to have a plot that makes sense when time travel is involved.

>>150622543
I was refering to the "NERV let kids goof around in horribly expansive robots and dont give enough of a shit to hire mental help or have them live with good people who dont want to fuck them" part

The rest is pretty fine though.
And time travels in Haruhi work more or less iirc. I dont recall anything too weird here.

>>150622703
But the point is that NERV need the pilots to snap to make the Eva go berserk and eventually start the instrumentality.
As for Haruhi, time travel stops making sense with Disappearance. Paradoxes and whatnot.

>>150622871
I remember that but they also needed them to defeat Angels to avoid apocalypse.
Stuff like "being saved by your future you" is explained as being a fixed event iirc, like these stable timeloops you see everywhere.

>>150623095
The avoid a time paradox Kyon and adult Asahina should have corrected the timeline the moment after Kyon gathered the SOS members and went back.
Doing as they did, Kyon never experienced the altered timeline and was never sent to fix it.
Before this time, Haruhi always avoided this mistakes (like with the John Smith thing), but here the paradox is blatant.

>>150620866
No Tbh.

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>>150621048
Love Story was dragged the fuck out, with most of the movie having no development.
Literally the only thing that genuinely stuck with me in that film was the granpda choking on mochi, and then Tamako's shitty best friend making a horrible joke about choking on mochi literally the day after.

Disappearance has literally SO many memorable scenes plus it wraps up the entire series so nicely.

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>>150622240
>the movie which is barely above average
>baiting this hard

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K-On! movie > Tamako Love Story > (soon to be) Koe no Katachi > Disappearance

>>150624359
All 10/10s btw

>>150624359
Disappearance > Tamako Love Story > Tamako Love Story >>>>>>>>>>>> K-On! movie

>>150624359
Tamako Love Story > K-On! Movie > Disappearance > Mirai-hen > High Speed

>>150621999
I dropped it at endless 8, it was pretty boring and that shit was enough for me.

>>150622871
>As for Haruhi, time travel stops making sense with Disappearance. Paradoxes and whatnot.

explain. im not sure i understand what you said here >>150623272

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>>150624568
>not sticking it out for the movie
That's the payoff anon.

>>150624568
How the hell did you get through S1 it's so fucking bad

>>150624582
Basically, fixing the timeline right after Nagato changed it, Kyon never gets to experience the reality without Haruhi and never goes back to fix it. That's the paradox.

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>>150624645
>it's so fucking bad
Elaborate. What's bad about it?

>>150621999
haruhi was the eva of that time

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>>150624714
The ending was so great. Chronological completely ruins the series as the great climax and built up lost in four episodes.

>>150624763
And while Eva still gets milked for no reason, Haruhi was abandoned because Kadokawa is retarded.

>>150624855
>Haruhi was abandoned because Kadokawa is retarded.
More like, Tanigawa is lazy as fuck.

>>150624845
Someday in the rain is a 10/10 ending too. But only before watching Disappearance.

>>150624855
>And while Eva still gets milked for no reason, Haruhi was abandoned because Kadokawa is retarded

what is haruhi hunting
what is pachinko
what is yuki-chan
what is BD releases of the series, spinoffs AND movie
what is haruhi advertisements in japan even to this day
what is continuous teases by Kadokawa for an S3 that may or may not exist

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Yes, they did so quite frequently.

>>150620866
Nichijou and Hyouka already happened.

It's called K-ON!

>>150622481
Try actually picking up LNs and reading them. Haruhi really isn't that great, and the series (and especially movie) were only so well liked because of what Kyoani did with them.

>>150625076
I don't know about KnK ( but the manga is terrible), but the others don't come even close.

>>150625106
>Hyoukek

>>150625156
>Try actually picking up LNs and reading them
LNs are cancer save a few exceptions

>>150620866
>even LNs aren't out
>top this

>>150625156
I did, and the Haruhi LN are fantastic.
Without that kind of material, all they can do are things like Kanata and Phantom World.

>>150625205
>kek
Well even though I know you're a shitposter, I'll answer you. Lots of LNs are shit, but among the good ones Haruhi doesn't stand out. Most people who've read it think it's a slog to get through, and the anime is much better.

>>150620866
they are topping this season after season though

>>150625317
They are of the same quality as Kyoukai no Kanata and Phantom World.

>>150625076
>>150625106
>Nichijou
Impressive how you managed to invalidate your entire post with this one word

>>150625317
They're really not. You're reading an English translation, aren't you? No one with standards reads English LN translations.

>>150624763
so, shallow trash carried out by one girl? it seems very likely actually

>>150625317
The worst part is that shit like Phantom World isn't among the worst

>>150625372
>among the good ones
Which ones?

>and the anime is much better.
That's wrong though. Lots of stories are better in the LN since the anime skips some stuff. Well I'd say the anime is overall a bit better but it's really close.

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>Disappearance
>remotely merit-worthy whatsoever
>all these dick-riding mongs

>>150624680
The reason why Kyon and adult Asahina fixed the timeline after that Nagato changed it is because they're normalizing that specific aberration in space-time continuum. Before Nagato was shown to have manually changed it, this time plane that they are in is the same exact time plane as the beginning of the movie (AKA the time plane in its original state). They're restoring the time plane from Yuki's altered one with that gun Tanabata Yuki gives to Kyon, meaning that they are going to make it as if Yuki's alternate time plane NEVER existed, since they're restoring it to its original. Kyon doesn't need to experience the alternate time plane again because it will never have existed after they restore it to its original state, thus they won't have to fix it. The reason why Nagato, Kyon, and modern Asahina go back to this specific time is because of the Asakura singularity.

in summary, they successfully restore Yuki's alternate time plane back to the original state and thus the alternate time plane has never existed which is why they don't need to fix it again

>>150625458
"It didn't follow the LN 1:1" is the stupidest argument that LNs are better. If it's not completely raping the original story, then don't complain if they don't adapt every scene over exactly as it was in the novel. The way the novels are actually written can't compare to the way the movie was directed, it blows them out of the water.

As for good ones, try anything that isn't a battle harem academy, highschool romcom, or isekai/fantasy world with RPG rules.

>>150625400
No, I read the translation in my native lenguage.
And there's still the fact that, without actualy good source material like Haruhi to adapt, Kyoani has produced awful LN adaptions.

>>150620866
No, it's one of the best anime films of the past 10 years.

>>150625604
The Haruhi anime wasn't anything great, only the movie really stood out. The Phantom World and KnK anime series were more enjoyable than the Haruhi TV anime.

>>150625604
Haruhi's source is terrible

>>150625603
The problem isn't "not following the LN 1:1" but skipping good stuff like Kyon wondering whether or not Mikuru is manipulating him.

And I disagree, while the movie directing improves the original Disappearance, the difference is far from being that big. And Disappearance was where the series had its highest production values, so the difference is even smaller for S1-2. I'd argue an adaptation of Snowy Mountain Syndrome has good chances of being weaker than the original LN unless they make it at least 1h long, which they probably wouldn't, sadly.

>>150625675
You really can't expect to be taken seriously with that opinion.

>>150625675
Now you're just being silly.

>>150625576
>>150624680
>>150623272
nagato explains all that time shit in the movie right before shit goes down, so I guess you'll just need to rewatch the movie or maybe re-read the LNs to know that she specifically states that the restoration must be done after Yuki created the alternate time plane

>>150625773
>The difference between the movie and TV series isn't that big
Jesus anon

>>150625808
The Haruhi novels and TV series just weren't that good. It really is a case of nostalgiagoggles and fanboying.

>>150625851
They had far more interesting and well composed episodes. I'm not interested in listening to 24 minute chunks of what is essentially Kyon narrating even detail of everything that happens while Haruhi comes up with a wacky scheme. Also endless 8.

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>>150624359
how does she do it?

>>150625975
>The difference between the movie and TV series isn't that big
The series is less well-directed than the movie, so the difference between S1-2 and the LN is smaller than the difference between the movie and the LN.

>They had far more interesting and well composed episodes. I'm not interested in listening to 24 minute chunks of what is essentially Kyon narrating even detail of everything that happens while Haruhi comes up with a wacky scheme. Also endless 8.
Except what Kyon and Haruhi do and say make sense. Phantom World is literally 24 min of dumb shit only a retard would swallow. It's full of terrible choices, bad characterization and horrible execution all the fucking time. If you think this is remotely good or close to the Haruhi series you seriously need to reevaluate your tastes.

>>150625975
Yes, novels and TV series are indeed good.
Generic, poorly written, forgettable schlock like KnK and PH isn't even comparable, despite the better production values.
Also, please stop with the nostalgia/fanboy strawmen.

>>150625675
>Phantom World
stopped there

>>150626178
It kind of reminds me Flip Flappers

>>150626112
>It's full of terrible choices, bad characterization and horrible execution all the fucking time.
so haruhi TV is pretty equal, then

>>150626207
>Flip Floppers
i see the connection now

>>150626275
good post

>>150626249
Yeah, no. Everything that happens in Haruhi TV is either thematically relevant, character development, building for the movie or just nice SOL like that island episode. Also it's not inconsistent, since you could find at least 2 or 3 inconsistencies in every Phantom World episode without searching at all. Phantom World is also terrible thematically speaking (they hint stuff at phantoms only to drop them making the exposition inconsistent and pointless) and has atrocious writing such as the Mai episode where she tells you at first she's not just a bitch who punches things only to develop into "oh actually I was just a bitch who punches things". Wow.

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>>150625975
>The Haruhi novels and TV series just weren't that good
>he hasn't read Surprise
Pic related is one of the greatest scenes you'll never see animated.
Not to mention we won't even get to see the true best god animated, EVER.

>>150626112
That's a lot of words trying to sound like a real critique that doesn't actually say anything of value.

>>150626133
>Muh logical fallacies
I'm willing to bet you didn't even watch KnK or PW.

>>150626178
Episode 4 of PW was better than any episode of the Haruhi TV series.

>>150626428
I sure enjoyed those scenes of Haruhi molesting Asahina. Really deep and thematically relevant.

>>150626586
It's better than "this is better because I said so".

>>150626609
I'll give you this one. Everything, save for the 3 minutes in the 12 episodes where Asahina gets molested, makes sense and works for the plot or the themes.

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>>150626586
>Episode 4 of PW was better than any episode of the Haruhi TV series.
Not him, but I have not seen Phantom World, but does it REALLY compare to Live Alive? Someday in the rain? or the melancholy part 6?

>>150626684
He's saying shit or baiting, I'm not sure at this point. Phantom World is trash all the way through and there's absolutely no saving it. Maybe one or two episodes are almost decent, but that's as far as it goes.

>>150626609
I know you were trying to sound smart, but those scenes actually were important in terms of narrative, themes and characterization.

>>150626671
No it's not. You said a bunch of shit that you think qualifies a well thought out point, but you haven't watched the shows you're talking about and you're complaining about plot holes like a 13 year old complaining about plot holes in garbage like Raildex because you don't like the way the author explained the super powers.

>>150626684
Wouldn't it be crazy if all you had to do was spend 20 minutes watching it to find out? It's episodic, you don't even need to watch the other ones.

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>>150626859
Wouldn't it be crazy if you actually gave me an answer for my question, as YOU are the one claiming a single episode YOU'VE seen is better than an entire series (that YOU have also seen). All I ask for is a legitimate criticism, considering you made the original claim, and are apparently so versed in both shows to make that conclusion.

>>150626821
I did watch the show and I wish I didn't. Plot holes are a problem when they're too dumb to ignore, forget about scientifical shit like how super powers work, Phantom World is narratively inconsistent. It's trash.

>>150626903
QUALITY Kyoani

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>>150626917
Digibro can answer better than him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPlay7B9AFQ

>>150626917
I said it was better, and then you asked me "Yeah, but is it REALLY better?"

Are you retarded?

>>150626922
>Plotholes
This should be good. Please explain them to me.

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>>150627010
>I said it was better, and then you asked me "Yeah, but is it REALLY better?"
I'm literally asking for an explanation, but you obviously can't give one.

>>150626993
Holy shit, kill yourself.

>>150626969
what am i looking at

>>150627057
Watch the open locker + her head.

>>150627045
Where the fuck in this post post
>>150626684
did you ask for an explanation?

>>150627051
Everything he says is true though. Phantom World is trash and even Kyoani production values can't save it.

>>150627101
Why do underage ESLfags like that autistic youtube nobody so much?
>>150627084

>>150627084
I'm pretty sure the multiple question marks imply I was asking a question. And even if you weren't smart enough to understand that I elaborated here >>150626917
But whatever anon. I already know you haven't watched Haruhi, yet continue to make claims as if you know something.

>>150627154
Didn't mean the second quote.

>>150627154
I don't care about him, but his analysis is on point. Phantom World is trash.

>>150627177
>This episode is better than the Haruhi TV series
>But is it better than these episodes of the Haruhi TV series?
Explain how this wasn't stupid.

Your second post asks for some kind of vague criticism, I don't even know what you're getting at. I said episode 4 of PW was better than any episode of Haruhi, why you're suddenly trying to compare a single episode to an entire arc or season is beyond me. Why you'd ask for a complex analysis of a single 20 minute episode you could just watch is also beyond me. You seem to not actually like watching things and thinking for yourself. Just watch that autistic youtube faggots video that someone posted instead.

And yes, I've actually seen both series in the entirety.

>>150627313
>Why you'd ask for a complex analysis
>complex analysis
Literally all you have to write is 2 sentences. Obviously you can't though.

>>150626178
there's nothing wrong with ass pull and plotlessness, anon

>>150625576
If Yuki's alternate time plane NEVER existed, Kyon can't have any memories of it, and certainly can't go back there to save himself.

>>150627619
Watch.
The episode.

>>150627848
No.

>>150627792
You're misunderstanding. Yuki's alternate time plane will be as if it never existed in the perspective of Haruhi and basically everyone else, however those that were engaged in what was going on (Kyon, adult Asahina, young close-future Asahina, Tanabata Yuki) still retain the memories of what was once the alternate time plane.

>>150627978
Well thanks for at least showing how stupid die-hard Haruhi fans are.

It's probably for the best. Without the MC commenting on everything at every second, you probably wouldn't have been able to follow it, just like that other retard complaining about imaginary plot holes and linking shitty youtube anime reviews.

>>150627999
It doesn't work. If it never existed, Kyon never had to go back and fix it. So it didn't get fixed. Time paradox 101.

>>150628154
It existed, but only Kyon, Yuki and Mikuru are aware of it.

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>>150628069
Are you literally complaining about Kyon's internal monologues?
Now I REALLY know you haven't watched Haruhi.

>>150628201
Did you follow what I said?
Even if someone personally changes the past, he will be affected by those changes. Erasing the new reality before his past self even got to experienced it, he erased his motivation to go back and change the past in the first place. Ence the paradox.
That's why I said that they should have fixed the timeline from the moment after he left answering to Nagato's message on the PC.

>>150628154
Different things. It's not that it did not exist at all, it's that it is as if it never existed, since Haruhi and almost everyone else have basically never lived through this alternate reality themselves after the restoration. It did exist though since Kyon actually lived through it.

>>150628262
Are you insane? Count how many lines of internal monologue he has per episode and then tell me that's ok. Have you actually watched the show?

>>150620866
They already did with Keion Movie, Nichijou, Hibike Movie,TLS , Koe no Katachi, Episode 11 of Tamako Market and Episode 8 of Phantom World.
I loved Dissaperance when I first saw that leak with/a/ but it was long surpassed by its creators.

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>>150628688
>not liking Kyon's introspection
>not understanding he's the fucking narrator
>not understanding the series is from his literal point-of-view

>>150628688
Kyon's narration is top-notch and only improves the show.

>>150628688
If Kyon narrating is your criticism for the series, you need to reevaluate your standards.

>>150628406
But Nagato changing and creating an alternate world is a fixed event. They had to employ the restoration program immediately after the world changed so that the events in the alternate time plane were to be destroyed/deleted from existence. It is done after the world changed to maintain linearity. If they were to employ the restoration right after Kyon pressed enter in that same exact time plane, it wouldn't give justice to the time that was lost towards the beginning of the movie.
This isn't endless 8 where there's multiple occurrences of things going on in which time planes are parallel to one another; rather, this is one single time plane alternated on itself. You remember that visual drawing both Disappearance Koizumi and later on Kyon creates right?
Kyon doesn't need second motivation to keep changing his past because this alternate timeline has been destroyed and restored to its original.

>>150628774
>>150628831
>>150628844
>Adapting a first person novel means you should make the anime version almost the same and keep as much of the narration as possible
I knew the Haruhifags were stupid, but this is battle haremshit levels of stupid.

>>150625200
>but the manga is terrible
So is K-On's!. Yamada can do great from garbage.

>>150628889
Nice anon, resort to namecalling. And maybe if you've read the novels you'd know what you just meme-arrowed is incorrect.

>>150628889
Not necessarily, however in Haruhi is based on the exchanges between Kyon and the reader/spectator. Half of the story is him theorizing about stuff and being an unreliable narrator. It makes no sense at all to drop that part just because it's an anime and I'd say Kyon's narration works better in an anime.
tldr you're fucking retarded

>>150629012
The movie had exponentially less internal monologue than the TV series, and was far better as a result. The penultimate scene in the movie was him sorting out his thoughts, and it was great, but going through that for every single event that happens in a visual fucking medium is not good story telling by any stretch.

>>150628941
K-on was an extremely loose adaption, KnK only seems to cut some stuff and change minor things.

>>150629081
>The movie had exponentially less internal monologue than the TV series
Wrong. The movie adapted almost every single line of narration while the TV series skipped lots of them.

Also you're wrong about narrating every single event too. Lots of them are kept silent. See Live Alive, or Someday in the Rain. Have we watched the same anime?

>>150628889
>narration is automatically bad because I say so

>>150629195
Anon I went through the entire series all of two months ago again. There was a single scene in the TV series where Kyon didn't spell out every fucking detail when Haruhi tired her hair back, and it blew me away because they actually got a point across without having Kyon plow through it all with words.

You can kick and scream all you want, but you're not going to suddenly make endless internal monologue in a visual medium ok. Open any random episode of the show and click anywhere on the episode, you've got a 70% of hearing Sugita's voice.

>>150629251
>Expository narration in excess is bad in a visual medium
Yes, that is correct.

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>>150629081
>The movie had exponentially less internal monologue than the TV series

>>150629319
There's 15 minutes without Kyon opening his mouth in Someday in the Rain and 10 just in Live Alive's first part. Kyon rarely narrates what people DO, what he usually does is give his opinion about it.

>>150629319
>in excess
But it wasn't in excess.

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>>150629319
So essentially the greatest issue Haruhi faces as a series is Sugita's voiceover work?
It may be an issue for you, but I happen to enjoy and relish it.

>>150629319
it's an audio-visual medium numbnuts

>>150628848
>>150628406
he doesn't need to continuously fix the past because the alternate reality was deleted when nagato shoots nagato

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>>150629319
If you want a series where Kyon has literally no internal monologue, just watch Yuki-chan, then tell me how much you think that improved the show.

>>150629389
That's two episodes. You're on a roll.

>>150629407
It was.

>>150629529
If that's what you took away from what I wrote, you need to work on your English.

>>150629559
It's not a book, you idiot. You have more tools than "MC talking to himself" to get the message across.

>>150629618
Excellent dichotomy there.

>>150629780
maybe her butt hurts?

Hyouka

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>>150628688
Critcism Haruhi for Kyon's narration is like criticizing Cowboy Bebop for it's soundtrack. Talk about actual flaws

>>150629679
>You have more tools than "MC talking to himself" to get the message across
I'm pretty sure Kyon isn't just "hurr durr talking to himself". His monologues are audible proof of his character development throughout the series.

>>150629989
That's the stupidest fucking comparison I've ever heard.

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>>150629894

k-on
hyouka
tamako market

all are much better

>>150629679
>It was.
It wasn't. The amount of narration was absolutely perfect.

>>150630026
Why? They're both universally praised aspects of a famous anime. You're the stupid for not liking Kyon's inner thoughts being show, especially his quick and snarky thoughts about Haruhi's antics. Is any introspection not allowed

>>150630094
If you're retarded and can't follow any other kind of exposition, sure.

>>150630098
One is an expository tool and the other exists in the background to build up or enhance scenes. They aren't even close.

>>150630228
Nope, you're retarded for not seeing how Kyon's narration is absolutely vital and well-executed. Basically your only argument is "monologue=bad" which is retarded. Shakespeare did that shit all the time.

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>>150630228
You don't fucking get it. All Kyon's narration does is add to scenes, never taking anything away. It's exceedingly well executed and entertaining, while not being used a storytelling crutch. You are literally the ONLY ONE who doesn't like Kyon's narration you fucking idiot

>>150630228
>If you're retarded and can't follow any other kind of exposition, sure.
You're really moving goalposts with that one, anon.

>>150630297
>>150630415
These posts are actually so stupid I think they might be cleverly crafted bait.

>>150630519
>bait
>implying
Just because you think Kyon's narration is excessive doesn't make it "bad". That's just your opinion, a shitty opinion I might add, considering Kyon's narration is essentially to understanding his character + his changing mindset throughout the series.

>>150630615
essential*

>>150630415
>>150630297
Pretty much this but /a/ is full of retards nowadays.

>>150629577
>>150628406
>>150628848
There's no paradox here. If you actually watched the movie you'd see that this alteration of reality occurs during a single timeline, therefore there aren't any loops in which Kyon must follow in order to keep fixing his timeline. The alternate reality was deleted, therefore any preexisting variable that was required to act upon no longer exists. They only went back that one time because they needed to complete the restoration process, since, as we all know, Kyon couldn't finish the process due to a certain "someone"

I don't like shilling but I liked that analysis of Disappearance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj7eTXc1bVs

really need to rewatch it

>>150630877
>>150630519
samefag

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>>150631745

>>150631795
shopped

>>150620866
But the bassist

>>150625076
Thanks for reminding me of that scene in nichijou. One of my favorite scenes and even seeing a still from it makes me laugh.

>>150631745
i don't see it. one hates monologue, the other does

>>150631915
You're right, I read it wrong because it's late and I'm retarded

>>150631915
*doesn't

>>150631381
but if kyon was stuck in that alternate timeline, wouldn't he have to be stuck in that alternate timeline for a previous version of himself? like he's there, but he's also not there you know?

>>150624845
That is true. You destroy S1 if you watch it out of order and S2 is nowhere near good enough to justify it.

>>150630615
>Breaking the fundament "show, don't tell" rule isn't bad
>There's simply no other way to do exposition
Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. I think I understand why you like mediocre LNs now.

Never. It's hard for KyoAni to top shit because they can only produce an worse shit.

e.g. Koe no Katachi

>>150620866
Maid Dragon Kobayashi-san will be their next BIG thing and wins Oscar, I swear.
Screencap this.

>>150632172
"show don't tell" isn't absolute and doesn't mean "no dialogue allowed" you dumb fuck

>>150632082
Literally what? No, you have to remember the linearity of time. This is one single timeline that's been altered; it's not an infinite re- occurrence of the same thing like endless eight.
Repeating myself, but, it's a single timeline alteration of itself, so in theory the only way one would be able to restore the original time line would be to erase/destroy the source or origin of this alternative timeline. And since they eventually are successful in this, the alternative timeline is completely gone, thus no knowledge (except of that of Kyon, adult Asahina/young future Asahina, and Nagato) of this alternate timeline exists.

>>150632172
'Show don't tell' means not having characters reading pages of the script to the audience because you can't be fucked working out how to convey things otherwise. It does not mean making a silent film.

>>150632172
>"show, don't tell" rule
I don't think that means what you think it means, anon.

>>150632082
Have you ever played or watched Steins;Gate? Because the universe of Disappearance works similarly. There is one physically existing universe, any alterations made to it work forwards and backwards and the universe reordered itself around it. As of the end of the movie, there is nothing to start the disruption in the new, fixed timeline thus there is no need to end it.

>>150632172
Seriously who are you quoting? I didn't say either of those things, I didn't even imply either of those things.

>>150632258
It's a rule yes, and there's a gap bigger than the one between your ears between the narration in Haruhi and no dialog.

>>150632670
What are you even talking about anymore? Just give up

>>150632670
So you think the best movie would be a silent one, right?

>>150633309
Learn to read.

>>150633546
Way to put words in my mouth. If we're using that retarded logic, why watch the anime in the first place? It seems all you care about is Kyon narrating. Why not just read the book, or buy audio books?

>>150633546
Stop feeding him retard

>>150634003
Do you fucking idiots really not understand what moderation is? Do you think the only options are the MC narrating every thought he has and everything he's sees nonstop, or a silent film?

You can't possibly be that fucking stupid.

>>150620866
Yes. They will do endless nine soon.

>>150620866
Like the show itself, it's fairly bland outside of every Nagato scene.

>>150634054
Do you, fucking idiot, really not understand what gauging is? Do you think the only redeeming thing about Haruhi is Kyon's narration and even still believe that his naration is in such exponential excess when it really isn't, or do you think that maybe just maybe Kyon's narration isn't the only qualitative aspect, in which the show provides an abundance of other narrative techniques such as the decision of a non-linear narrative presentation of this series which is important in humanizing and building Kyon's character?

You can't possibly be that fucking stupid.

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>>150634819
Please >>150634003

Also let's remember that Kyon's narration brought us the infamous just_fuck_her_already.txt http://pastebin.com/4EHJfvNd

>>150634819
Just so you know, parroting my post to try to sound clever doesn't work when your pretend point doesn't fit that format. I never implied that the narration was a redeeming aspect, I explicitly stated it's over used, because it is. If you can't follow a story without the narrator telling your everything that happens and every thought he has, then you're an idiot.

>>150634899
>Anyone who isn't a mouth breathing, shit eating retard is a troll
Why are most LNfags so impossibly stupid?

>>150624359
Get out of my chan, you disgusting pleb.

What'll happen in December 18

>>150634970
Ok you offer a solid point. But what would you think is a better exposition might I ask? Quite frankly, Kyon's first person narration as well as the unreliable narrator technique seemed to have worked well for many, as seen with all those in support of Kyon's narration in this thread and at the same time their opposition to your seemingly abhorrence to his monologues. It would seem that your opinion is the odd one out, which is fair since perhaps I can see how Kyon's monologue may be in a strikimg abundance; however I still enjoy his monologues and narrations.

Even if narration seemed to have worked well for the majority of people, what would you propose to be a better narrative or exposition, while also pleasing audiences that isn't yourself?

>>150628889
Oh my god just kill yourself. Your opinion is literally trash.

>>150635760
Body language and gestures, sound ques, visual metaphors, shot framing, etc. Basically everything that put the movie leagues above the TV series. We don't even need to compare apples to oranges, you can watch Haruhi and just compare TV to the movie to see the difference. The Haruhi novels have an interesting concept but are a chore to read because of prose and writing style. I don't read LNs for a list of plot points just like I don't watch anime to hear the characters just explain the whole story to me, delivery matters. You can have narration and dialog without letting the entirety of the story telling rely on it.

>>150635781
You're literally retarded. Not the new internet definition of literally, but the classical sense of the word.

>>150635890
>Basically everything that put the movie leagues above the TV series
Except the movie has a shit ton more narration than the TV series. Your point of view is shit and you're the only one thinking that. Narration has always been Haruhi's strong point.

>>150635890
So you seem to be operating under the flawed assumption that narration is inherently wrong within film. Or, that "show not tell" applies here. Neither of these are true, and your attempts to generalize rules of film-making are pretty moronic. You can have good narration, if it's done correctly, adds to the story, and doesn't detract from the work by being overbearing, redundant, or annoying, which, Kyon's isn't. Have you seen the film Adaptation? It's heavily narrated, and it works, because that's the point of the movie.
Stop pretending like there are these hard and fast rules for everything, the work isn't at fault, you just don't like it for whatever reason.

>>150635988
>>150636013
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show,_don't_tell
It's actually one of the basic tenants of all fiction, I hope realize that claiming it's not a standard doesn't make it even a little bit true.

The movie has narration, but it doesn't rely solely on it to tell the story the way the TV series does. If you actually can't see the difference between the two, then you might actually be retarded.

>>150636128
Show don't tell is obviously a rule dipshit, it just doesn't apply here. Kyon's narration doesn't over explain what's happening, it's just a device the show uses, that clearly most people find effective. It's not exposition heavy, it's mainly commentary. Did you read what you just linked? Implying what you are discounts the good visual direction the rest of the series has too, you're making it seem like the show is just Kyon reading us the script.

>>150620866
They did.
日常

>>150621026
this

>>150636271
>It's a rule
>It just doesn't apply
>The TV series had good direction line the movie
>It's not exposition, it's just the main characters thoughts and commentary
Oh wow, you actually had me going up until now.

>>150636128
This actually directly contradicts your point. Kyon's narration only adds to what's happening and to his character, while keeping a lot of stuff untold and to the viewer to figure out, especially stuff related to the narration itself and it's unreliability. You're the only one criticizing it and trying to make it look legit because of a rule you don't even understand.

>>150636342
What this guy said.
>>150636336
Do you even get what kind of rule it is? It's a fucking writing guideline, to prevent stories from being filled with boring, over-exposition. If you think that exists within Haruhi, you're either watching a different show than me or deluding yourself.

>>150636342
Thanks for showing you don't understand the idea of show don't tell. "It's only adding to the show because he's giving us more information" doesn't mean it's following the rule.

>>150636476
>There isn't too much exposition done via narration in Haruhi
You win. Enjoy being completely retarded and needing every detail in a visual medium told to you via internal monologue.

>>150636515
Except the show dont tell is heavily used in Haruhi too. Most of the time the narration is just here to set the mood and develop abstract concepts by having Kyon thinking about them and them bringing them up to Koizumi and the others to discuss them which is pretty much how someone would react in that situation. Narration is properly used and that's why it's so praised, except for that one retard right here I guess.

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>>150636584
Praised by who? A bunch of borderline high school anime club kids? People like the movie, they tolerate the series.

>>150636631
Pretty much anyone who talks about the series will say the narration was one of its strong points. And it's the same for the movie, actually there's MORE of it in the movie which is part of what makes it better.

Anyway I'm done with you since you're just repeating the same shit over and over trying to make it look legit when it's just a dumb baseless opinion.

>>150635890
>Body language and gestures
There's a whole lot of this actually. From Kyon's looks of restlessness in the processes of filming to Haruhi's changes in mood during her Melancholies, and even to Yuki's facial expression of slight delight in Day of Sagittarius. One thing I really love about the series is that KyoAni doesn't resort to simplified and cliché facial expressions(the ones you see in other anime like the usual large-sweat-drop, the angry nerves, sparkly eyes, etc.) and I respect them for that.

>Sound ques
maybe you didn't notice them, but I noticed an exponential amount of them in the TV series. Such as during those episodes on the island, there were very neat placement of sound ques that helped build up to the drama. Other examples I can think of top of my head include the episode where Haruhi and Kyon were stuck in closed space, and even during Endless Eight; I remember watching it while it aired, and I remember that denwa at the start of each of them, and hear the splashing of water during the pool part of those episodes, and think to myself what must be going on in Nagato's head (here's also another example of body language and gesture)

>visual metaphors
I remember a lot of this in Disappearance, but there's quite a bunch in the TV as well. Endless eight is a definite example; Someday in a Rain as well, Live Alive (don't remember this one but I'll always remember how open and eccentric of a character Haruhi is because of that bunny suit), and so on

>shot framing
Live alive, endless eight, bamboo leaf rhapsody, sighs, etc. you get my point

You have to keep in mind TV budget =/= budget so you can't expect the same visual direction. Also remember it's 2006 vs 2010. Haruhi did really great for what it had at the time.

>>150636913
*TV budget =/= movie budget

>>150620866
no

>>150620866
yes

>>150620866
i just want s3 man

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>>150639777
it's never too late anon

>>150639777
Soon.

>>150641827
don't you mean never

>>150642641
I mean soon, god fucking dammit.

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>>150641827
>They're falling for it again

>>150620866
Nah, unlikely.

>>150643539
we're in an endless recurssion of believe