What was /a/ 's reaction to pic related?.
In retrospect it's really clever how they made the second movie a wanky mess of wish fulfilment and fanservice
It makes the third movie so much better.
>now he can read in his bed at night without need for external light sources
>>150367000
"Go back to sleep, Shinji..."
>"What is this sissy shit? When this was on network television 14 years ago it had Ape Satan eating the angel alive."
Reminds me of this.
>>150366927
Naruto was banned back then so there wasn't much of a reaction
>>150366927
>>150366927
my reaction was that you should end yourself for watching the rebuilds
>>150366978
>It makes the third movie so much better.
Better than what?
>>150366978
You mean this 0/10 piece of shit managed to elevate the third movie to a whooping 0/10?
>>150370385
Good one, here's some awesome Russian cosplay of Asuka for ya
>>150370873
Thanks
Have a great rebuild-free time
>>150366927
I liked it.
Liked all the rebuilds, actually.
Scene was neat.
You cannot change my mind.
>>150370916
No need to change your mind, just kill yourself for your abysmal taste.
>>150370873
>Russian cosplay
...so where's the nudes?
>>150370990
I think I'll recommend it to my normie friends instead.
>>150371013
hopefully they have less shit taste than you have.
If not, mass suicide is always an option.
>>150371025
Are the rebuilds that shit? Damn, i was planing to watch them this weekend
>>150371025
I'm sure I can fool them in thinking its a masterpiece before they see it. Knowing them, they'll be eager to show off later on. They'd eat shit if I told them the Queen of Great Britain had said it tasted like honeyed walnuts.
>>150371122
They are the ultimate insult to NGE/EoE
They shit on everything that made NGE so perfect
>>150371140
Don't you dare do that
>>150371003
I didn't get what you are wanted to say by this, but if want to say that Russian women are sluts - fuck you, m8
>>150371122
Nah, he's just being a debby downer. I think the rebuilds are an interesting re-telling of the story. Despite the voice actor for Rei being more emotive than I'd like, it's all good.
>>150371211
>take NGE
>remove everything interesting about it
>turn every character besides Shinji into a boring badly written mess
>slap flashy fights and fanservice on it
>call it rebuilds
Btw, who did read manga?
It's pretty awesome and ending way less gay and clear
Also, Gendo is fucking awesome in it
>unironically hating the rebuilds
what, is this 2011? the rebuilds are basically evangelion without the pseudo symbolism.
you know, those christian symbols and stuff that stretch throughout the whole story, which anno admitted to using just because the stuff sounded cool/interesting,
are you fuckers retarded? it's literally evangelion with 10% of its autism.
>>150371153
>Don't you dare do that
Man, you're actually making this hard for me not to.
Don't worry, it was all a lark.
And i even made some memes using screenshots of it
>>150371297
But it's autism is the fun part, at least for me
>>150371297
No.
>>150371265
I was reading it but then I dropped it during that Kaworu Shinji make out scene
>>150371297
It's literally Evangelion with only one somewhat well written character instead of a great cast full of relatable characters that felt real.
The rebuilds took every ounce of substance out of the series and threw it into the trash, trading it for cheap fan service.
And no I don't mean the symbolism. If you think the symbolism is what made NGE good, you are clearly too mentally handicapped to understand it even though it lays out everything in front of you and explains it over and over again.
Says a lot about you gaylords when using spiral power to end the world while saving the girl isn't edgy enough, you want the literal slideshow mental breakdown of Anno shat on screen back.
>>150371297
>are you fuckers retarded? it's literally evangelion with 10% of its autism.
I would certainly said that about a manga, but not about rebuilds
They are NGE without any visual srotytelling with a mix of shitload of fanservice and retardation of every character
>>150371378
>gaylords
You have to go back to whatever place you came from
>>150371364
what made NGE good then?
the symbolism was the only thing novel about it, and that's because anno is too stupid to understand the things he himself implies with the symbols he uses. in a way, eva is unintentionally novel in that aspect.
now, if you'll reply with something like "i-it's a deconstruction of the mecha genre!!", just neck yourself. NGE is literally lord of the flies but worse.
>>150371409
You're not worth being called a faggot.
>>150371415
The characters, you numbnut.
>>150371364
>great cast full of relatable characters that felt real
>great cast full of relatable characters that felt real
>relatable
please consult a suicide prevention hotline
>>150371122
As an example, Rebuild introduces Asuka and Eva-02 by dropping them from the upper atmosphere on a jetpack to flying kick a stake through an Angel, and finds a way to make that not cool.
rei felt so real guys omg
>>150371468
The beautiful thing about NGE is that all of the main children find salvation in some form in the end.
>>150371354
Well, they didn't make out
Faggot just jumped at Shinji and tried to kiss him, and Shinji in his turn did reacted adequately
I liked this way more then what happened in NGE, Shinji didn't seemed gay at least
>>150371471
>finds a way to make that not cool
It is cool, butthurt autists just refuse to acknowledge that across the board.
>>150371507
>Shinji didn't seemed gay at least
>>150371513
Yes, if you're 12
Go watch Naruto or something
>>150371440
>thinks that getting called a faggot is a good thing
Seriously, go back
>>150371507
Why?
In both the Anime and Manga Shinji says he loves Kaworu. It can't be no homo-ed no matter what way you look at it.
Doesn't help that Anno and Sadamoto keep saying they're both faggots for each other.
>>150371503
Well, if you would count being dead as a salvation for Rei...
>>150371546
Someone's trying real hard to fit in, I see.
>>150371572
She didn't die though.
>>150371541
Wow great argument fagtron, you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
>>150371265
Gendo with superpowers was the stupidest thing I've ever read.
>>150371548
No he didn't
In manga he wasn't even too upset about smashing him, it wasn't like existentional crisis in NGE with a EOE
>>150371612
Bruh.
>>150371584
I think that she did
Nobody knows this for sure though, so whatever
>>150371250
But you did get your sebisu, did you?
>>150371577
>responds with NO U
Lame
>>150371607
I can't cure your shit taste anyway, why should I try.
>>150371658
Time became meaningless for her new form, as shown by the first episode and EoE.
She didn't stop existing either or she wouldn't look like Rei at all. So yes, we know for sure that she didn't die.
>>150371611
That part was dumb. But it provided for the neat part with Gendo directly appealing to Shinji as something like himself and Shinji being receptive.
>>150371718
>She didn't stop existing either
As I understood it she fell apart after doing her job of transcending time and space to collect all souls.
>>150371638
Well, that means that translator of your version is yoi-fanfictionwriting-littlegirl, i'm sorry
My manga is not gay
>>150371612
Yeah, when I read it I got the feeling that Shinji thought Kaworu was a fucking autistic weirdo but that he didn't deserve to die.
>>150371816
you can't truly die if time doesn't matter to you.
Also Rei visited Shinji on the beach after Instrumentality had ended.
>>150371638
Fan translation.
>>150371783
I really liked that allowed us to see Gendo in action for once and to take more importance in an ending
>>150371836
>you can't truly die if time doesn't matter to you.
Of course you can, the ability to transcend time as we perceive it doesn't mean you can't stop existing.
>Also Rei visited Shinji on the beach after Instrumentality had ended.
That's an image projected into the future, similar to the one in episode 1. As you said, time doesn't mean anything to her, so she might already be dead (for the lack of a better word) by the time we see her in that scene.
Reminder that Shinji is straight
>>150371944
It would be helpful in NGE
>>150366927
Every single page of the manga ITT literally triggers me.
Especially this one right here >>150371902
is a complete failure regarding NGEs theme/message.
>>150371929
I guess you can interpret it that way.
>>150371944
This.
>>150371995
Sup
>>150371944
Yeah. He's a cute girl. Girls love boys. Shinji loves Kaworu
>>150372006
But that page makes perfect sense.
>>150371823
Manga's the version where he exposits how and why he's using the threat of Impact to force Shinji, Shinji did it because it was exactly what Karl wanted and was holding three billion hostages over. Shinji was lamenting that a narcissistic sociopath was still able to affect him while he made a conscious effort to isolate himself.
>>150372229
Yes, within the manga maybe, but not within NGEs theme.
It completely ignores the Hedgehog's dilemma which all characters are build around. It's not cohesive.
>>150366927
/a/ loved it for the most part. Lots of shitposting about Gurren Lagann too.
>>150371265
The manga makes me sad because of Rei suffering.
>>150372465
Just confirms how many here have abysmal taste.
>>150372547
I hope you're implying that 2.22 is good, because it is. The only rebuild that deserves to be shit on is 3.33, and the only people that defend it are contrarians.
>>150372526
She becomes way more humane in a manga, and therefore suffers more
When second body of Rei died in NGE i almost wasn't impacted by it, but in a manga...
>>150371250
>take NGE
>get rid of all the pseudo intellectual bs that people whine about
>they whine anyway
>>150371122
They're fine on their own, well animated action flicks. But compared to the originals they fall really flat, with the characters being shallower and all the symbolism killed.
Still recommend giving them a watch though since it's a good insight into how well crafted the original is.
>>150372586
I personally liked 1.11, that was enjoyable to watch at least
2.22 is pretty retarded in a characters department and third one shouldn't even fucking exist
And yeah, fuck Mary or whatever was her name, person who decided to put her in should kill himself
>>150372586
2.22 wasn't good. It was dumb. But it was a masterpiece compared to 3.33
>>150372679
>>150372680
1.11's just a remake of episodes 1-6 so can't really complain. 2.22 is a shitty power rangers movie with dumb shipping faggotry in place of decent characters. 3.33 is more interesting but doesn't make a lot of sense, it's an hour and a half of anno screaming "get a life!"
>>150372591
Yeah I got hit hard when she died in the manga.
>>150372586
3.33 is utter garbage and shouldn't exist, while 2.22 is just pointless garbage with terrible character development that shouldn't exist either.
>>150372603
>get rid of all the pseudo intellectual bs that people whine about
It got rid of every bit of substance as well.
>>150372675
They aren't supposed to be like the original, they're a remake.
>symbolism
It's just 2deep4u bullshit that Anno threw in to make things confusing. And the characters in rebuild are fine, discounting 3.33.
>>150372737
another fine example why the manga is terrible
>>150372787
?
>>150372760
The characters barely have a fraction of the depth they had in the original. The girls got reduced to fanservice fapbait without an ounce of subtlety
>>150372820
There's nothing wrong with using sex to sell, especially considering how much the Rei and Asuka were already reduced to that by the fanbase with NGE. Unless you want the movies to be boring slogfests there's no way to fit all the more in depth character quirks in. 2.22 actually had a lot of development for the characters, it was just positive development, so some fans hate it because they're obsessed with suffering, and want everything to be like the original television show.
>>150372760
> Aren't supposed to be the original
Then what's the point in remaking it besides to make a shit ton of cash off normies?
> 2deep4u
The title was thrown in because it sounded good, but all the symbolism and religious imagery to tie into much of what the story is about. It really was too deep for you evidently.
> Characters
Asuka: Damaged, mentally unstable nutjob becomes your typical tsundere.
Misato: No daddy issues, no parallels drawn between her and shinji.
Shinji: depressed little pussy, very clearly needs a psychiatrist becomes typical shonen action hero
That's just to name a few, new girl in particular is so damn boring as a character.>>150372760
>>150372526
She explodes into snow to restore the Earth and somehow she still has another ambiguous ending.
>>150372881
All the christian imagery was literally to just because it looked cool and foreign to the Japanese viewers, no other reason.
>Then what's the point in remaking it besides to make a shit ton of cash off normies?
To show a different "route" in the same universe, the only way for them to have no point would be if they were just carbon copies of the original show. That would be pointless.
I just watched this for the first time. All of it. I'd put it off for ages since I'm not big on robot/kaiju stuff.
What the fuck is the point of it all? What was the point of EoE? Where are the Rebuilds going? Does anyone even know or have a semblance of an idea? Is there even any sense to be made of it all? Is it just an intentionally confusing story for the hell of it because fuck you viewer?
The animation and designs are pretty damn cool but I don't see how anyone can enjoy this story or take it seriously in any way from the point when it goes off the rails with Shinji's mindfuck in the original series. It just looses all sense and starts shoving in a shitload of "meanings" that don't really mean anything at all.
>>150372928
>I'm too stupid and feeble-minded to grasp non-basic storytelling like my shonens and moes do, better call it shit on /a/
Fuck off.
>>150372928
>What the fuck is the point of it all?
Human interaction can suck balls but it's better than no interaction at all.
>>150372877
>the fanbase is retarded, so lets make the remakes retarded too!
They didn't just gain sex appeal, they lost all their depth as well.
>Unless you want the movies to be boring slogfests there's no way to fit all the more in depth character quirks in
True, another fine example why the rebuilds shouldn't exist in the first place. They don't have a point. They do nothing to the told story, provide nothing for the characters, they are literally pointless cash grabs and an insult to the original.
>>150372928
Almost everebody was confused
You could try reading manga, it's also great, but has almost no mindfuckery in it
>>150372976
>u dun undastahn it
Well meme'd
The good thing about the rebuilds was how it introduced the asspull nonsense from the original series over the first two movies. If they had followed the original plot it would have made the conclusion seem like it was actually something that belonged to the universe instead of bullshit they came up with so they could cram all the character development they wanted into the two episodes they had left. Third took a step back by containing more bullshit that was never set up but I'm hoping 4.0 explains it.
Really the problem is the remakes didn't go far enough combining all the elements of the original series into a coherent narrative. There's still too much justifying plot points with religious/conspiratorial pretense they try to disguise as mystery. I wish they would sit down and lay out a consistent cosmology they could build a narrative around because the original felt like a bunch of plot points they knew they wanted glued together with religious themed bullshit and the remakes seem to be reverting to that.
>>150372928
NGE/EoE is a nice story about a bunch of very well written characters that deal with Freud's "Hedgehog Dilemma". Anno wanted to use this journey as a message to the viewers, that they shouldn't use anime dream worlds as refuge from reality and that they should deal with reality.
The rebuilds dropped the whole "well written characters" part and replaced it with flashy fan service.
>>150372922
It's too well integrated into the show for that to be true. As for the different route stuff, they already did so in the original when shinji is seeing the first couple episodes with it playing out like a generic high school show.
In fact thinking on it, that episode is basically a metaphor for the rebuilds - stupid, empty and pointless.
>>150373108
>The good thing about the rebuilds was how it introduced the asspull nonsense from the original series over the first two movies
There was no asspull nonsense in the original series. Everything was perfectly cohesive.
>>150371322
>>150373182
>According to a very frank and open 40-minute interview by Anno on the NHK TV program “Top Runner” about a week or so ago, all religious and philosophical references, while providing a coherent setting for the story, were used for the specific purpose of looking cool and to make Anno & company appear intelligent. Anno himself called it “pedantry”
>>150372980
The point is to be enjoyable movies, which they were, at least 1.11 and 2.22 were.
>>150373362
Nice source you got there
>>150366927
>>150373227
None of the actual mechanics behind anything are explained. It's just secretive assholes doing covert bullshit that apparently furthers their plans until instrumentality happens so shinji can introspect at the audience.
>>150371819
Fan translation is the accurate one.
>I was attracted to him.
>Before I realised it, in a place deep inside my heart.
>Even though I thought I mustn't grow to love a guy like him.
>Even though I thought I didn't need friends anymore.
>>150373486
Nice memed
>>150373773
>>150373905
>>150373928
>>150371819
Shinji is gay for Kaworu in every single Evangelion medium. Get over it, he will never ever love your waifu. He only loves Kaworu.
>Sadamoto: In fact, Shinji and Rei, and Shinji and Asuka, their touch stopped at holding hands. Everytime they hold their hands, it has a different meaning. It is one fun fact about EVA……So I never intend to let the children’s relationship go beyond that. On the contrary, Kaworu is the only one who overstep the boundary, he break the rule.
>All About Kaworu Nagisa, 2008
>>150373623
Delusional shipper
>>150373956
>>150373983
>>150374000
>Interviewer: You said previously that that sort of JUNE-like, or should I say the sort of production that goes beyond friendship (between Kaworu and Shinji), came out that way naturally, didn’t you?
>Anno: As far as I know, it’s possible that I put in a few guys like that. Otherwise, I wonder whether it might be that I have parts of me like that, myself, things that are at about that degree.
Interviewer: That level is quite a thing. *laughs*
>Anno: As expected, I was called odd by the staff. *laughs*
Anno confirmed bisexual, which is why he made Shinji bisexual.
>Interviewer: Who worked on episode 24?
>Anno: A person named Satsukawa (Akio)-san did that. Satsukawa-san is better at—this is bad to say, but—he’s right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism. *laughs*
https://www.gwern.net/docs/eva/1996-newtype-anno-interview
>>150374032
>Ikuhara Kunihiko is the director of Sailor Moon, Utena, and Mawaru Penguindrum as well as being the rumored inspiration for Kaworu Nagisa
>The magical power of “You’re fine just the way you are”
>Ikuhara: He’s ordered to come back by his father, he’s slapped by Ayanami, he’s called stupid by Asuka, he’s yelled at to straighten up by Misato… Shinji doesn’t recieve much affirmation from others. I think, in this situation, the only one who tells him that he’s fine just the way he is is Kaworu. “You don’t have to try to so hard.”
>Perhaps because of that, after Kaworu appeared, the girls who had been watching Eva and who found it interesting but didn’t feel the kind of enthusiasm that the boys felt about it were able to finally connect emotionally with Shinji. Perhaps because of that everyone loves Kaworu. Hm? Have I ever said to anyone, “you’re fine just the way you are”? Isn’t that something I’m always saying?
Kaworu x Shinji confirmed canon by the man himself.
>>150374057
More from the JUNE interview where Eva staff talk about how gay the show is:
>M: No, no. I didn’t think much at all and just drew it according to Anno’s script.
>B: Is Anno-san into that stuff? He even accepted the interview with JUNE (oldest Yaoi magazine in Japan).
>M: That interview in which he pushes all responsibility to Satsukawa is interesting. But when we came up with the original idea, did it start out as such?
>H: eh?
>M: Not that level of homo, did Satsukawa up it?
>H: His descriptions are def top-notch.
>M: In JUNE it shows that the scripts originally had skinny dipping, musical duets and stuff (laughs)
>A: Skinny dipping?!
>M: Yeah, completely naked. I didn’t want to draw that, like to a “If thats how it is I’ll quit” extent.
>A: Isn’t that basically porn?
>M: So when I stated we must change it, it became Anno’s expert bathing.
>A: His favourite public baths.
>H: Why hand-holding though?
>M: Because thats what the script said.
>>150374064
Ikuhara is so dreamy
the episode 24 drafts, where Kaworu and Shinji share kiss scenes among other gay things.
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:Episode_24_Draft_1_(Translation)
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:Episode_24_Draft_2_(Translation)
>>150373623
I still would prefer my japcomunist comics being not gay over being accurate
>>150374064
>>150374040
>>150374093
Delusion lv. Max
From the first draft:
>ASUKA: I'm sure that idiot is crying into his pillow about being spurned by the object of his affections.
>MISATO: Object of his affections…
>ASUKA: Yeah, it's the Fifth Child. (Standing up) >––Well, I guess I'll go try to cheer him up.
INT. SHINJI'S ROOM
The door opens and Asuka enters.
>Shinji is lying in bed, the cover pulled over his head.
>ASUKA: Shinji. I don't know what happened, but you can't lie around like this forever.
Shinji doesn't respond.
>ASUKA: (Poking Shinji's cheek) Hey, Shinji, say something. Shin-chan.
>SHINJI: (Coldly pushing her hand away) Don't touch me with your filthy hands…
>ASUKA: –––
>SHINJI: Funny hearing this from you. You're the one who started that disgusting rumor. I don't want to see your face, get out.
>Asuka angrily storms out of the room.
tl;dr: SHINJI IS IN LOVE WITH KAWORU AND ASUKA GETS BTFO
>>150374136
Too bad Sadamoto confirmed it's gay as heck.
>INT. NERV HQ - CONTROL ROOM
>They're preparing for the test.
>RITSUKO: Shinji [has a crush] on Kaworu!?
>MISATO: For a boy to end up like that over another boy, I made a bit miscalculation.
>RITSUKO: So, what of Shinji now?
>KAWORU: Angels are creatures that constantly evolve. We have no predetermined form. And death is but another part of life.
>We hear Shinji's voice coming from Unit 01.
>SHINJI: Kaworu……
>KAWORU: Shinji. I knew it would come to this, so I'm glad we had a chance to swim in the ocean together.
>INT. UNIT 01 - ENTRY PLUG
>SHINJI: You deceived me? You used me?
>KAWORU: That's not quite right. I had so much fun spending those days with you. You're the only one who can end my life. If it's by your hand, nothing could bring me greater joy, even death.
>SHINJI: (Sobbing) How am I supposed to be able to do that!
>>150371503
And if you count shinji strangling auska to see if she really exists and is alive as they gaze on the entire city that is gone. They're still depressed. But yeah they most likely have each other even though Asuka knew shinji jacked off over her unconscious body
>>150374146
>posting interviews and the episode drafts is delusion
Oh, you crazy crackshippers.
Just get over the fact that Eva is for fujoshits.
>>150374159
It's not canon
>>150366927
Hurr TTGL ripoff, this isn't the Eva I know and love.
Lots of autism. Most people seemed to think it was the greatest thing since EoE though.
>Kaworu and Shinji are having fun talking to each other.
>Several female students watch from a distance.
>GIRL A: That Ikari's such a leech. He's just hanging all over our dear Kaworu.
>GIRL B: They even shared an umbrella home yesterday.
>GIRL C: (To Asuka who's next to her) Hey, Soryuu, don't you have suspicions about Kaworu and Ikari?
>ASUKA: Well, I mean, they are dating after all.
>GIRL A: You mean, they're…… you know?
>GIRL B: Huh, I don't believe it.
>The rumor spreads through the girls' whispers.
>Asuka seems to feel a little bad about it, but just sticks out her tongue and feigns ignorance.
>>150374040
Wasn't kaworu based on the guy who directed sailor moon? And that anno named a character after him to try and get him to work on the show?
So Anno made a show about his self insert having an implied gay relationship with him AND tried to have him come to the office and "help out." I've seen less direct ways of chatting someone up.
>>150371537
Shinji isn't gay. Shinji just never knew what it felt like for someone to actually say that they loved him. The last angle caught him by surprise and it was more of an emotional reaction. Even in the actual series shinji is attracted to Rei and can't stop looking at Asuka as she bends over in her bathing suit. He's even attracted to Misato
>>150374226
>one small romance subplot that lasted one episode
>EVA is for fujoshits
I agree that the romance was there and Shinji loved Kaworu, that doesn't make it pandering to fujos.
>>150366927
>There are people that unironically like this
I could imagine some retarded fan faggot nerds watching this scene in the theater for the first time and leaping from their seat going "YEAAAAAAAAAAH SHINJI KICK HIS ASS!" like some frat douche at a keggar
I truly feel sorrow for my generation
>At a shore between the buildings stands >Kaworu, without a shred of clothing on.
>Shinji follows a bit later.
>Kaworu's supple limbs float to the surface of the sparkling water.
>Shinji is unconsciously fascinated by his figure.
>Kaworu gradually heads deeper into the water but Shinji stops.
>KAWORU: (Turning around) Come over here.
>SHINJI: I can't go any further…. I can't swim……
>KAWORU: It'll be alright. Just hold on to me.
>Shinji enters the deeper water as if drawn to Kaworu.
>But, Kaworu doesn't take his hand and Shinji nearly drowns.
>Kaworu embraces Shinji.
>Shinji clings to him.
>>150371122
just don't expect them to be as good as NGE/EoE
just watch them as a new story with cool animation and effects...
>>150374246
Then why did Anno write it in the first place?
>A: I thought its the kind of June-ness that Masayuki-san likes.
>M: Oh no no, it was on part Tsurumaki’s doing, this romantic poetry-like stuff its not within my capabilities.
>B: Is it very romantic?
>M: Actually June refers more to the physical kind of homoeroticism.
>B: Ah, I see.
>H: Speaking of this, Masayuki is arguably one of the go to people when it comes to homo anime.
>M: How we come back to this again?
>A: Why, what?
>M: Because ep 24 was my responsibility everyone thinks Kaworu was created by me.
>>150374322
Fujobait
>>150366927
pretty hype. People were generally happy to see Shinji man the fuck up.
Yep, Anno has a gay crush on Ikuhara and used that crush to make Kaworu and his self-insert get it on.
He's a faggot.
>I have been asked directly by a few people before now if I was the model for Kaworu.
>However, it’s not the case that I have no idea at all [what the speculation might refer to]. During the period when Evangelion was still in its preparatory stages, I was in very close contact with Anno-san. At that time, the staff of Sailor Moon went on a company trip to an onsen, and Anno-san was also among our members. [1] The two of us ended up talking the whole night. Even after everyone else had collapsed we went on and on, drinking sake and talking, sitting side by side in an open air bath and talking.
So, I think the conversation we had that night had perhaps the same flavor as the exchange between Kaworu and Shinji. I also felt this way when I saw episode 24 for myself. Well, the situation with the bath was the same; that’s easy enough to understand.
>>150374400
>that fucking scarf Anno has on
Yeah, he is 100% gay.
>>150374437
Anno is gay, everyone knows this, it's why he hates japanese culture so much.
>>150374262
Anno said Shinji is bisexual and in love with Kaworu, in all these interviews I just posted
>>150374271
It's fujoshit.
>muh strong female main characters
>muh feminine main male character who wears girls clothes
>muh gay romance at the end of the show
Evangelion is for gay men and women. If you think you're straight, you're in denial.
>>150374246
The episode 24 drafts are the only drafts of Evangelion to ever be released since 1996.
Anno purposely released them, and only them, to a fucking Yaoi magazine. But not just any Yaoi magazine, JUNE, the oldest Yaoi magazine in Japan which features works about men and boys in actual homosexual relationships.
Anno literally went to a Yaoi magazine company, let them interview him (his longest interview that he's ever done TO DATE) and talk about how gay Kawoshin is, and released the drafts. Name one other person in this industry who has ever done that.
>>150374489
You're actually delusional.
>>150374532
I'm the only one posting interviews and canon evidence here though:
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:Episode_24_Draft_2_(Translation)
Kaworu and Shinji make out in this one, Shinji gets a boner when they're bathing together and tries to rape him during the sleepover.
>MISATO: But, what about Asuka……?
>IKARI: We can't keep useless items lying around forever. Send her back to Germany when you have an opportunity. That is all.
Savage, Asuka got rekt.
The crazy thing is both Asuka and Rei ship Kawoshin.
>Shinji runs along the catwalk.
Rei is standing at the hatch, already in her plugsuit, trying to get into Unit 01's entry plug.
>SHINJI: ––Ayanami!
>REI: I'll go.
>SHINJI: Why?
>REI: Because you're in love with him.
>SHINJI: ––
>REI: You won't be able to dispose of him will you?
>SHINJI: I'm the pilot of Unit 01……
>Shinji pushes Rei aside and opens the hatch.
>>150374194
>Too bad Sadamoto confirmed it's gay as heck.
Everybody is gay for Kaworu.
>>150374463
there's a very interesting anime made by his wife about their daily life, you should check it out anon
>>150374515
Shinji and Kaworu are by far the most popular couple in the series in Japan. it also works the best.
Everyone gets a partner
>>150374489
He only wore them unwillingly.
>>150374568
>Rekt
I don't care about the shinji/anglefag but stating anyone that enjoyed evangelion must be gay is more than a stretch.
A majority of the people that watched it didn't even understand the subtext of many of the scenes.
They just enjoyed robot battles forced drama and explosions.
>>150374159
>first draft
>final cut
Pick one?
Also Anno wrote Kaworu and Shinji without even intended it to be for fujoshits.
He didn't he realize it would appeal to women because he wrote it straight from the heart. It wasn't fujobait.
>Regarding Kaworu (Extracted from "judging Hideaki Anno in his absence" interview from Paranoia, Schizophrenia)
Interviewer (I), Masayuki (M), Sadamoto (S), Tsuramaki (T), Sato(Z)
I: Ah, since we rarely get Masayuki-san, I’ll take the opportunity to ask, regarding Kaworu’s episode, Masayuki-san had a lot to do with it right?
M: But half of it was Sadamoto too.
I: Such quality out of such a pressing schedule, that’s really impressive.
M: But what can I say, around half, or at least one-third is stock footage.
T: Well at that time half an episode took around a month for one person.
S: I think that’s really amazing.
T: Not something that can be replicated now.
I: But someone who opens with “music is a good thing” is kind of odd (laughs)
T: Yeah what’s with that?
S: Actually its not bad, but when I first heard it I couldn’t help but laugh because it was so different from what I imagined he would say.
I: But it caused female audiences in front of their televisions to shriek with joy.
M: We never thought it will turn out like that.
T: Was it not planned?
M: We really only realised it afterwards and never thought of much at that time, after all we were going berserk.
I: How long did that episode take?
M: Around a month, drawing took 2 weeks. Because if we were not to enter into the editing stage after that, we would not have made it. We have yet to finish even the layout. Then Sadamoto, because it was the episode with Kaworu’s entrance, seemed to actually care a lot. So this guy Anno very slyly told me “So regarding Kaworu, I heard Sada-kun is very concerned.” We went to Sada’s room and coincidentally he had writer’s block. Oh, wait, I think it was because he was growing sick of the manga? So he said he want to draw the anime instead, so we had him.
>>150374622
Everyone finds love in the end
>>150374262
I do agree with you in that, my problem with NGE is just that he's kind of don't do anything to show, that this is strange for him
In manga Shinji even hated Kaworu (i would probably try to kill him for a kitten, btw) and when Kaworu tried to kiss him he didn't just submitted, he was angry
In NGE i've always felt like that cut between bath scene and Shinji being at Kaworu's could concealed a lot of gayness
>>150374620
show me
>>150374489
He actually said "do I have to wear this" he's not gay. In the end he's with Asuka. Who else is she going to be with? Kanji? He's fuckin dead.
>>150374685
Dude, he didn't hate him. He said he loved him.
Sadamoto the creator of the manga even confirmed it himself.
And Shinji kissed him back.
>>150374729
He's super gay and tries to kill Asuka at every opportunity. He really hates the cunt.
>>150374665
Lies
>>150374626
Shinji loves wearing girls clothes for Kaworu.
>>150374729
Very good. Smart
>>150374782
You have to accept reality.
Anno's wife even made a Kaworu Shinji doujinshi.
>>150374755
You don't understand evangelion and you don't understand sexuality, neither basic human behaviour.
get the fuck outta this thread.
>>150374685
But he also never really attempted to pursue him. Kaworu was very caring of shinji, something that Asuka could never give him because of her attitude. What was he's supposed to think? He shows a massive interest in Rei in the manga and the anime. It seems like he ultimately likes Rei the most with Asuka coming in at a close second by the end
>>150374791
Kaworu is a lucky boy
>>150374755
He jacked off over her. He openly asked for her help and seeked her acceptance and her affection. You're literally retarded
Hear that silence? It's the sound of Asuka and Rei shippers killing themselves because they just got proven wrong again.
Evangelion panders to fags and fujoshi since 1996, if you don't like it you can go back to Naruto or something.
>>150374852
Anno says your wrong, I'm sorry anon. Must be tough for you that your crackship got ruined.
>>150374755
>He's super gay and tries to kill Asuka at every opportunity. He really hates the cunt.
Its more complex then that. He is just looking for a human connection, looking for someone to love him. He would give it up to a cabbage if it told him I love you.
>>150374890
True.
>>150374902
Anno said your wrong, sorry.
>>150374917
Anno said your wrong, sorry.
>>150374963
>Evangelion - genre: Drama, Mystery, Psychological
a awesome joke
Why do you think these stupid weebshits loved Evangelion so much?
Reply: Evangelion - genres: Slice of Life, Comedy, Ecchi, Harem, School, Yuri and Fujo
>>150375017
stop giving it replies.
Where were you when Shinji became a girl with Kaworu as her boyfriend?
DIE FUJOS
>waifufags claim shinji isn't a fag
>anon posts numerous interviews proving he is indeed a fag
>waifufags start crying
Pottery.
DIE FUJOSHI SHINJI LOVES ASUKA AND MAYBE REI HES NOT GAY
Shinji is straight for Kaworu!
God this thread turned to shit.
This kills the Asukafag.
>>150374755
He literally have been kissed while sleeping and he got angry
Shinji will never EVER smile and blush at your waifu like this.
Kaworu only.
>>150375154
He was grabbing at his back like a slut, he only goes tsundere afterwards.
He admits to being in love with him after he's ded.
>>150374729
>In the end he's with Asuka
There's no romance between Shinji/Asuka in any of the canon for Eva. Their relationship is fucked.
Shinji is a girl and loves Kaworu!
>>150375182
He jacked it to Asuka, checkmate atheist.
Why is it always Asuka shipperfags who are so vehemently intent on trying to deny Shinji x Kaworu? I ship Shinji and Rei but I recognize that Shinji and Kaworu are definitely a thing.
>>150375154
He's angry because he didn't dislike it, autist-kun.
2013 Saboten Con.
YM = Yuko Miyamura (Asuka's seiyuu) TG = Tiffany Grant (Asuka's voice actor)
>Q: Does Asuka really like Shinji?
>TG: Are you stupid?
>YM: No.
>Q: What was your reaction when you heard about Rebuild?
>SS and TG: Getting paid.
>YM: A happy ending but it hasn’t happened yet. I wasn’t happy with the EoE ending. Shinji and Kaworu married.
>Q: Who do you feel Shinji should end up with?
>TG: I’d say Mari but I don’t like her.
>YM: Kaworu.
>>150375215
Yeah, because he sees Asuka as a sexual release, it's part of why it's so fucked up.
>>150370873
why russian girls are so fuckable?
there is something in the water?
>>150375215
I jack it to pornstars, does that mean I have a romance with them?
>>150375220
Because they're retarded.
>>150375147
Yeap, it would be less gay even if we would be posting traps/sissy dicks here all day long
>>150375244
>>150375220
Etc
Autism
>>150375282
You can't romance someone that's dead.
>>150374917
He's looking for someone to love him and expect nothing in return. He's looking to be loved without considering the needs and wants of the other person. That is both why Kaworu looks and acts like Shinji's mirror image, and why he dies again and again as the coming of age part of the story is about to be concluded.
Asukafag shippers just got anally destroyed.
It's okay, Asuka is gay for Mari now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlwTgRmcdb4
Starting from 2:05
>Misato's VA: For Misato, obviously Kaji-kun.
>Rei's VA: For Rei-chan, it'd be Ikari Gendo I guess. (Shudders)
>Rei's VA: As for the main character Ikari Shinji, who would his Orihime be? If it was Asuka it would be unbearable.
>Misato's VA: It would rain nonstop forever!
>Rei's VA: Then in that case, as expected, Kaworu-kun?
>Both: Kaworu-kun. (Nodding)
This was at a famous Evangelion event, with a bunch of normies with their parents and children in the crowd. When they heard Kaworu-kun would be Shinji's ideal lover, they clapped. Take that as you will.
wew
>>150375322
This.
>>150375405
Just yuri on ice fags infesting other threads, leave them be.
Well played.
Best thread in a week.
Did the Asukafags all kill themselves?
It got awfully quiet around here.
Shinji is too cute to be a girl.
>>150375091
He's bisexual. He still shows interest in the other girls numerous times. Why would he jerk off to Asuka? Why would he have visions of Rei, Asuka and Misato saying "become one with us" naked?
>>150375503
Post more Rei.
>>150374934
>>150375276
Well, not all of them, believe me
But it's just we still have slightly tradionalist views on how man or a women should look, because of this there far less guys with feminine looks in Russia compared to Europe and vice versa
And huge gene pool, which is always awesome
>>150375506
Shinji is cuter than any girl!
>>150375539
Shinji is a girl!
He's straight for Kaworu!
>>150375539
This
MORE ASUKA FOR THE ASUKA GOD!!!!
Reminder that Shinji is straight.
>>150375664
We need those in these dark times
>>150372978
>but it's better than no interaction at all.
not really.
What did Anno mean by this?
>>150375790
I dunno, but i have nice meme
>>150375790
And i think that almost two third of erotism in Eva don't have any meaning
>>150375790
Its literally explained by Rei as its happening, how retarded can you be?
>Shinji and Rei will never get a happy ending
Feels bad.
>>150376005
>>150375968
Retarded kawoshinfag
>>150374082
Alright, I have a boner, tell me source
>>150376005
I'm pretty sure that he asked about visual presentation of the scene
Like why her fucking hands inside of Shinji or whatever
The thread is over. Go die, kawoshinfag.
>>150376092
I'm Asukafag, don't you misgender me, whitemalescum
>>150376097
fuck off
>>150376098
Because, as Rei explained, they are in the Tang world in this moment. Its a place where all forms are one and you can't tell where one form begins and another ends. They are homogeneous.
The camera pans over their bodies showing this exact thing.
>>150375547
Is it the same combination of traditional views and bling and coke culture like here in Croatia? Also how widespread are Evangelion and chinese cartoons in general back at your place?
>>150375781
Get out and socialize you pussy.
>>150376223
Fuck off normalfag.
>>150376172
Our hardcore anime community is generally dub shonen watching cancer, but many people just watch them as any other media, which i like.
Great stuff, like Ghost in the shell usually is widely popular, Hayo Miydazki movies are widely appreciated
Evangelion though not so much, it's a very niche show after all
>>150376320
Are you implying Evangelion wasn't very popular? Have you seen the amount of merchandising for this show?
It is a niche show, not in the sense that it is unpopular but because of the genres it fits.
>>150366978
> Shinji gets to be the generic shonen manly badass the fandumb wanted
> it makes everything worse
I keked
>>150375664
Yeah, she's straight for Kaworu.
>>150375790
Shinji only gets excited when Kaworu is on top of him
>>150376419
There is absolutely no way the fandumb wanted a generic shonen manly badass. That is the total opposite reason why Evangelino was so highly regarded, because it deconstructed what we thought the mecha genre to encompass in terms of character archetypes and themes.
Anno really just had no idea how to make Shinji different from the Shinji of NGE so he just threw away all subtly to make generic shonen protag #132121 because it was easy.
>>150376398
In Russia - nope, not so popular as other good shows. On russian analog of IMDB it maybe on like 10th place by rating of all animus ever
And i know, that's overall it is popular, just not so much in Russia, i knew like 3 guys with over +100 titles watched, who didn't seen Evangelion until i recomended them to do so.
>>150376644
I'm sorry I was thinking in the general context of the anime community, not just in Russia.
>>150376560
A ton of people(including myself) enjoyed Shinji actually gaining some agency and doing something selfish for once. He wanted to save Rei, so he took her back, there's nothing wrong with that kind of development. Shinji doesn't need to be the same in every iteration of Eva, it also doesn't make him a dumb shonen protagonist.
>>150376560
> he doesnt realize people hate shinji for not being every generic shonen protag trope
> he hasnt seen all the people complaining about a conscripted child soldier being "whiny"
I envy you anon
>>150375790
he needed a way to make sure toonami would never air the movie because despite being on adult swim, at 12 o clock at night, they have no balls at all
>>150373227
>Everything was perfectly cohesive.
Depending on how much faith you have in the draft scripts, Anno didn't decide they definitely weren't introducing Atlantis until episode 23.
Kaworu and his actions cannot be described in a void without context. His motivations and intentions were undeniably good and selfless (to an unhealthy deegree) but that doesn't change the fact they had terrible immediate repercussions.
First of all, he is an escape from reality, and his love a fantasy. His entire narrative act is constructed to present him as such, I'm just calling things what they are. A fantasy can still have value and affect someone positively (a), but it won't change what it is. Calling him a fantasy is not a dismissal of his importance; Kaworu is very important to Shinji's development. However, this doesn't mean his actions were positive, healthy or realistic--Indeed, it was due to his importance that his actions backfired catastrophically so.
(a) Yui's final message is pretty much that. The fantastic ideal that people will somehow understand themselves, each other's pain, and be able to strive forwards while she floats in space. That's hardcore faith y'all.
This is shown to us when Kaworu's love/actions only further Shinji into his personal spiral of desperation and apathy, to the point where, as mentioned above, Giant Kaworu's presence triggers Shinji into starting Instrumentality once he's reminded of his love (ergo, dissolves reality and escapes to fantasy; the connection is right there, shown to us). That's what happens when Kaworu gives Shinji what he thought he needed, and what Shinji longed for the most: unconditional acceptance, willfull tolerance/ignorance of his emotional flaws before he even begins trying to be a better person.
>>150376834
The only people who really hate Shinji's character in NGE/EoE is the normie AoT, Bleach, SAO, etc. crowd. As well as the two or three shitposters that frequent Evangelion threads.
>>150376320
Same.
I've been to two conventions (prob never again) and it's mostly just OP and stuff. Free and similar shows are also wildly popular here for all the obvious reasons.
Most people I know that like Eva like it because they can relate to some part of it. A lot of them don't want anything to do with the anime "community". May or may not work the other way around too.
>>150376722
>>150376722
If you liked it you should probably read the manga
In it Shinji also becomes a lot more confident through character development
>>150366927
I just screamed at the screen
I felt hyped as fuck and that it was incredibly awesome
>>150376967
(cont.) If anything, Kaworu was a childlike desire of Shinji that manifested at the brink of Shinji's innevitable collapse. It was the final push, to show him ideal love (his ultimate fantasy that would solve all his problems and make him happy while in ignorance of his own shortcomings) and get it taken away; which is the point the series is trying to show us Kaworu's intervention was: it's what Shinji wants, not what he needs.
Kaworu did show Shinji that he can be a recipient of love (which was never dismissed in importance) and this is pivotal for the latter's epiphany during Instrumentality. Then, and only then, does Shinji grow beyond his childlike desires; and this is achieved through both God-Rei and God-Kaworu's assistance. However, that kind of selfless/selfish love isn't healthy for Shinji when he cannot love himself, or others, without first having unconditional love magically appear to him--That's the point of having it thrown his way and ending up how it did: Kaworu dead due to his selflessness, Shinji trying to commit suicide, and instrumentality happening by Shinji rejecting reality altogether when seeing Kaworu... not looking good, right?
I'm not saying Kaworu's actions where good or bad, though, nor of lesser importance. I'm saying his actions were misguided and naive, as almost everyone's actions in Eva are, and not immediatively conducive to Shinji's emotional healing and personal growth (in the long term, yes, but so is everything, the bad and the good, that happened to him throughout the story) and had terrible consequences due to a poor understanding of what was needed to help Shinji in the long term. I know this is heresy, but Space Jesus ain't as perfect as people think he is.
>>150377013
(cont.) Beautiful Space Jesus' unconditional love was great, the epitome of what human love should be, but we all know that kind of love doesn't exist; it's an exaggeration, an idealization, or should we say: a fantasy. Thus, it is presented at odds with the narrative theme of EoE (whether you qualify it as 'good' or 'bad' at the moment doesn't matter to the outcome of events), and that's what the series shows us with Kaworu's death and the end of Instrumentality: It's the elimination and rejection of escapism via absolute fantastic idealization of things (the world, ourselves, love, etc.).
>>150377001
I have read the manga, loved it.I think it was better than the anime personally.
>>150376980
>normie
Fuck off normalfag.
>>150376993
I think that it is good thing overall
I would prefer that everybody could appreciate media i like, not to create a closed community with motsly autistic weebs in it
>>150377049
This. Love needs to be gained, and fought for. You need to pay the iron price, otherwise it probably wasn't love in the first place.
>>150377119
That's a cute picture. More like this?
>>150377119
Well, i can't decide myself
Manga doesn't have Hideaki's Anno directing touch, obviosly, but it has better char writing and development
Ending was nice too
>>150376967
>>150377013
>>150377049
That's wrong, Anno says Kaworu doesn't represent escapism. Shinji didn't even have to kill him.
>Interviewer: It might be that they can’t see an ending like that as anything other than running away. It might be that, even though he’d been saying that he mustn’t run away, they can’t help but think of him as having run for it.
>Anno: I wonder why people are saying that, “You can’t run away!” is the theme.
>Interviewer: What?! …Well, if you put it like that. *laughs* Well, then Shinji-kun isn’t always limited to being right, is he?
>Anno: That’s true. Why does everyone assume that what the protagonist says and does is right, I wonder?
>Interviewer: Huh. The protagonist did say, “It would have been okay to run away.”
>Anno: Yeah. That’s the theme. It’s okay to run away. One can’t advance without hurting people.
>Interviewer: Then you mean to say that he could have gotten by without killing Kaworu-kun?
>Anno: Exactly. The people who empathized were fine just doing that. The people who’d been saying that they mustn’t run away were the ones who ran and were blamed, that was also okay.
But there’s also a part of me that wants to say, “Don’t set your heart on believing that that’s right!” If everyone asked me whether the things that I’m doing are right, I’d tell them that that’s just not the case! There’s even a line in episodes 25 and 26 that goes, “If you want to run away, then it’s okay to run away.” Well it means that, by running away, there are things that you gain and things that you lose, after all. It’s always one or the other as long as humans are living.
>>150377384
Fuck off
>>150377252
I have a bunch of casual stuff.
>>150377213
So are you saying a mother or father's love for you isn't real?
Are you saying parents having unconditional love for their children isn't real?
Do you have to fight for your parents to love you?
I'm so sorry anon.
>>150377417
You are platinum mad from these interviews blowing you out of the water, huh?
You don't know anything about Eva.
I'd like to read the manga, last time I tried like one year ago it was too difficult to read though, took an hour to read the first chapter, but now it should be fine probably.
Raw of course.
>Anno: Although, if you don’t pick something, then there are times when you get neither. That’s the same as with dying. It seems that there are plenty of people like that, though. Well, as long as one has something that they’ve gained, then one without fail also has something that one has lost. One can’t advance without hurting others, after all. If you’re afraid of that, then it means that you won’t be able to do anything, you see. Well, the idea that it’s not all right to run away isn’t something that’s okay. Since I suffered badly that to the idea that it’s not all right to run away, and then by running away, I think so, that’s all. By running away, if you think, “Ah, that got so much easier just now!” then you’re fine with just that, I think.
>The phrase, “adult children,” has caught my attention a lot lately, but that seems to be the general term for the people who were raised by worthless parents, and, while still being held back by those parents, became adults; without relying on their parents, they can’t live.
Even seeing that—would you call it running away from your parents?—by separating from your parents, this feeling of liberation comes over you, you know?
These parents are extremely overprotective, and doesn’t it mean that there are mothers who absolutely won’t let you out of the crib, saying, “XX-chan, XX-chan, if you go to Tokyo, there are demons, so you mustn’t go to places like that!” No matter how much time goes by. And, while that’s all well and good for the people who seem to want to be in that situation and think of that as a good thing, aren’t there also people who find that incredibly restrictive and grow to hate it? There are even people who would rather escape from the sort of place that kept restraining them to become part-timers and have to scrape by on a day to day basis. Those sorts of people are escaping from there, I mean to say. It’s the break-out from the boonies.
>Interviewer: Would you call it running away, or would you call it escaping—the images of each are entirely different.
>>150377423
>>150377478
Or you could've read translated and get same enjoyment out of it
>>150377602
>get same enjoyment
If that helps you sleep at night, feel free to believe that.
>Anno: It’s exactly the same as running away, don’t you think? If, by running away, you would be liberated, then that’s A-OK. That’s perfectly fine. Rather, I think that running away would be better, you see. Well, if Shinji watched episode 26 right now, he’d be drawn in by Evangelion, wouldn’t he? By clinging to that, he’d find that he was being recognized by others and that there is meaning in his existence. From there, I think that it’s the sort of thing where, if he were released, there would be at least one more level ahead of him.
It’s just that retrogression towards oneself is nothing but a closed loop toward a dead end, I think. That being the case, I think that the place that he would end up at is something like that, so if he were to head into a dead end, his only choice is to smash through it. After smashing through it, there’s just another dead end waiting, though. But there’s no choice but to go in, do that, and go on living, so I think that’s just the way it is.
tl;dr, Shinji could have coexisted and lived on with Kaworu.
Kaworu can't be escapism or unconditional love because he is the one to honestly point out Shinji's flaws and how he can better himself. He doesn't sugarcoat things and he tells him the truth.
Furthermore, he breaks his heart when he reveals he's an angel, so it can't be unconditional love either.
Shinji even compares him to his father.
Shinji's love for Kaworu is pretty much his heathiest relationship in the show, and Anno will be the first to tell you that.
And that's why he, his animation studio, his wife, all the voice actors, and all of Japan ships Kaworu and Shinji together.
The final movie is going to make you Asuka and Rei shippers want to kill yourselves.
It's going full gay like ANIMA.
>>150377514
>>150377546
Die, delusional retard
>>150377384
That comment doesn't have to do anything with Shinji's escapism. The theme of the whole show is that love can't exist without hurt, while Kaworu offered Shinji unconditional love. Anno's countering his own show here which is odd. Perhaps, he's just a stupid otaku who got laid and forgot the main theme of his own show.
>>150377651
>getting triggered from Anno's interviews
Just go watch another show
>>150377665
>Anno's countering his own show here which is odd.
Nope, you just never understood Eva in the first place.
The theme is it's okay to run away, and Kaworu offered him the love he needed in order to love himself. He needed to fall in love with Kaworu to progress.
I guess Eva was just too deep for you, why don't you go watch an Anime that's easier to understand, like Naruto?
>>150377648
No, those interviews completely ignore the main message of Neon Genesis and just satisfy otakus who didn't want to accept it. Anno, perhaps, is one of them. Evangelion made by depressed Anno in 90s is about hedgehogs and escapism.
>Rebuild
Didn't even watch them tbqh
>>150377642
Stop trying so hard.
>>150377757
Sometimes i really want to be able to ban people on a 4chan
>>150377808
No, you just never understood Eva from the beginning.
Eva was always an Otaku Anime, you just interpreted your own meaning onto it.
Anno never berated or hated Otaku, if you knew anything you'd know this.
>>150377860
Just go to tumblr if you are literally shaking from fucking interviews. Christ.
You were proven wrong, get over it you fucking manchild.
>>150377757
Nope, it's you who didn't get the simple message, this love, even if it was romantic and I'm not saying otherwise, was a fantasy and Kaworu represented escapism of otaku culture. Cute twink who loves everyone. It's not okay to run away, Anno knew it when he made NGE and through it he overcame depression and his constant need to run away instead of accepting pain and love of real interaction
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>>150377870
You want to say that non-otaku person can't make an intopritation of Eva because it was made by an otaku?
Are you fucking retarded, m8?
Is there right way to interpret art now, or what?
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>>150377860
Get off of this site if you can't handle being prove wrong then, you fucking faggot.
>>150377870
Exactly.
>>150377870
No, it's you who didn't understand
Perhaps, Eva is about different interpretations so you can think what you want I don't care, I have my own opinion
>>150377911
I meant that he's somekind of gaytrolltard, not that i triggered by him
He just making retarded arguments to make people mad
>>150366927
i screamed like Shinji in EoE and i start think that Rebuild was a mistake, than the third movie came out and i was right.
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>>150378027
>A-Anno doesn't understand the meaning to his own show! I'm right! He's wrong
This is fucking priceless. I'm amazed at how many people I triggered in this thread just by posting quotes from Anno and co.
>>150377428
Lol how do you think I ended up here in the first place?
Video unrelated. Just something i felt like pasting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c87ARHzyO4k#
>>150378067
Why are you getting mad at interviews and quotes by Anno? Fuck off back to your safe space at tumblr you ugly landwhale.
>>150378027
You can have an opinion, but your opinion is the wrong one and Anno says it's wrong.
>>150377960
>tl;dr, Shinji could have coexisted and lived on with Kaworu.
Kaworu can't be escapism or unconditional love because he is the one to honestly point out Shinji's flaws and how he can better himself. He doesn't sugarcoat things and he tells him the truth.
Furthermore, he breaks his heart when he reveals he's an angel, so it can't be unconditional love either.
Shinji even compares him to his father.
Shinji's love for Kaworu is pretty much his heathiest relationship in the show, and Anno will be the first to tell you that.
And that's why he, his animation studio, his wife, all the voice actors, and all of Japan ships Kaworu and Shinji together.
>>150378091
>triggered
I'm not triggered, I'm stating my opinion on things.
For me Eva means one thing, for you and late Anno it could mean another, there's no canon single interpretation, it's you who's triggered senpai
>>150378144
Nope, i want to say that this shippertard is just trolling, what this has to do with great director of a great show?
>>150366927
Loved it. That scene and Ramiel's made Rebuild worth it.
>>150366927
RAW RAW FIGHT THE POWER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE
>>150378239
Death of the author isn't a thing. You're wrong, get over it.
>>150378291
>>150378144
No, I don't agree with Anno who states that running away from people is okay and for me such a concept of love despite one's flaws is absurd
>>150378291
Nice track and nice show
>>150378260
How is posting Anno's quotes and interviews trolling?
You're just mad because Anno ships Shinji and Kaworu together.
>>150377665
>>150377757
>Anno's countering his own show
He absolutely didn't, Kaworu was talking about death the whole time. He pointedly doesn't understand understand what Shinji meant or why Lilin do unpleasant things for survival during the drop into Terminal Dogma. It's like the best thing about him that he's saying pretty much the same stuff as Leliel while not being an obvious antagonist to Shinji but still illustrated as sketchy for the audience.
>>150378370
Nope, you are shipping them
>>150378211
>Kaworu can't be unconditional love
He just points out his flaws but doesn't stop loving him because of them. That's an unconditional love for you
>>150378335
So you don't agree with the show, that's fine.
You're free to go watch another Anime that has those themes, but Evangelion isn't it.
>>150378401
And so is Anno.
>>150378433
Okay then, can you summarize how you understand the show?
>>150371471
>and finds a way to make that not cool
It was cool though.
>>150378405
He loves him because of his flaws, not despite them.
He doesn't see them as flaws, but as strengths that make Shinji beautiful.
It's not unconditional love.
That's why Shinji says Kaworu broke his heart just like his father did. Shinji links Kaworu to Gendo.
That's as far away from escapism as you can get.
>>150378433
You are implying that if consumer sees media different that creator of that media sees it, consumer somehow wrong?
I surely missed the day when art became objective thing
>>150378550
If the creator had an intended meaning when creating it, and you have a different interpretation you're fucking wrong.
Yes you're allowed to have that interpretation, but you still are wrong and going against reality.
>>150378537
It's unconditional love from the point of the one who's loved
>>150378509
I don't need to, Anno already did it for me:
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>>150377423
Who the fuck is that guy on the far left?
>>150366927
Hype. The last 26 or so minutes were leaked and /a/ generally loved the movie. It wasn't until 3.0 came out that revisionists started to hate 2.0 as well.
>Rebuilds
Loving every laugh
>>150378382
Kaworu is suicidal and really fucked up, yes.
That's probably why he got so attached to Shinji, they are very similar to each other.
They're perfect for each other.
>>150378631
No, I need you to write me the message of the show that you accepted as you understand it, a single sentence.
>>150378630
It's not because Kaworu doesn't love just anyone, he loves Shinji for the specific way he is and his flaws.
That in itself is a condition.
If Kaworu had met someone like Touji on the beach instead of Shinji, he wouldn't have loved him because he doesn't have those character flaws. So it can't be unconditional. The condition is Shinji.
>>150378598
That's just not have an art works, m8, nobody is wrong, nobody is right
And everybody has his own interpretation of what he sees
>>150378709
Message of NGE: The self in regards to surviving/thriving - Learn to love yourself and you will be able to love others, the world is not so bad as soon as you actualize taking the first step.
Whether you run away or choose not to run away is fine - so long as your actions don't hurt those around you. But immersing yourself into something to the point where you lose your identity and can't live without that label is also unhealthy.
EoE: Relationships with others - Connecting with others is often painful and hard, but the few moments where it isn't make all those bad moments worth it.
Envisioning ourselves as just insignificant tiny specks in a large vast universe makes us realize that we aren't as trapped and suffering as much hardship as we convince ourselves. Anywhere can be paradise based on how you choose to carry yourself.
>>150378736
Sure, but if Anno says Shinji is a boy, you can't just say you interpret him as a giraffe and expect people to take you seriously.
You have the right to interpret him as a giraffe, but you're still wrong.
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>>150374032
what the hell is this shit?
>>150378922
So, we divide EoTV and EoE then, as it delivers different messages. Which ending involves Shinji being a faggot who can be happy with a person who accepts him despite his cowardly nature?
>>150377049
Well, yes.
I thought everyone understood that.
>>150378709
Not the same anon, but I can give it a shot.Love yourself and someone will love you back.
>>150378922
I like your summary, but i disagree with a point about "running away is fine"
Basically whole first quarter of a show consist of Shinji learning how not to be a pussy
Couldn't give less of a shit about Rebuild or Evangelion in general, I just want 4.0 for the soundtrack
Sagisu has done a spectacular job so far
>>150366927
>>150379233
His work in Bleach was also top tier
>>150366927
The whole rebuild series.
>>150379178
Shinji is perfect just the way he is.
And he's a faggot in both.
>>150379231
Do you not remember the episode where Shinji doesn't run away, gets all smug and uppity because "combat is a man's job" and charges in at Leliel and get BTFO?
There's nothing wrong with running away in itself.
If a gang of thugs comes up to you, are gonna stand there and take them beating the shit out of you, or are you gonna run like a pussy? You'll do the latter option unless you're fucking retarded.
>>150379490
>Shinji is perfect just the way he is.
I'm just gonna leave this here. I don't even have to comment anything.
>>150379490
Yeah, i did actually forgot that one, now i do agree
>>150379490
>Shinji is perfect just the way he is
Describe me the way he is
Still i would prefer you to stop posting gayshit, but that's 4chan after all
>>150379658
>>150379754
Because you don't have a rebuttal, right?
People can act whatever way they want so long as they aren't hurting others.
Does Shinji ever deliberately try to hurt other people in the show? No.
Who cares if he's a little feminine and shy? That's called a personality. Not all guys have to be big and strong and hotblooded like your average shounen protagonist.
Shinji's friends like Kensuke and Touji never told Shinji to change, they thought he was fine the way he was. The only people who had a direct problem with him was Misato and Asuka, because they want strong assertive men to control them because they have fucked up father complexes.
Shinji is a good boy who deserves all the love and affection in the world for the shit he's been put through. I will defend him forever.
>>150379761
Meh, well aimed and structured bait is still bait. /a/ has its own anti at field.
>>150366927
It was a fun action scene.
That's pretty much all that 2.22 was.
Fun.
All characters were replaced.
>>150378433
Anno also shipped him with Asuka and Rei ....
There is no 100% correct definite answer except that Asuka always wins.
>>150379930
No, Anno only ships him with Kaworu.
And how can Asuka win when Kaworu is the one Shinji falls in love with every time?
>>150379828
But he is too concerned with what others think of him, isn't he? He is afraid of being hurt or of being hated, since he has daddy issues. He can't accept the reality of human interaction that involves pain and love at different doses. Is it okay in your opinion for a person to be like this?
>>150380008
Sure, but that in itself is a normal trait. Many people get overly paranoid about what others think of them.
I think it is something that Shinji can and will improve on. Kaworu even tells him such when they're in the bath together.
Everyone can improve themselves to become better people, but you don't have to completely change yourself to do that.
Shinji doesn't have to change who he is just to work on flaws like that. He can still remain himself as he works on his complexes.
>>150378672
>It wasn't until 3.0 came out that revisionists started to hate 2.0 as well
LASfags were very vocal about 2.0 from the beginning. Asukafags complained about Shikinami lack of depth and Mari stealing the spotlight. Some complained about The Beast. Most people enjoyed it but some just couldn't accept that the movie was just the dumbed down, hollywood version of Eva.
>>150366927
>wow rly?ok...
that's pretty neat
>>150380124
So he needs to work on himself and overcome his fear of human interaction? So why is in your opinion he and Kaworu are a good couple?
>>150380363
Yes.
>So why is in your opinion he and Kaworu are a good couple?
I never said they were.
Shinji is fucking 14 years old, he doesn't need to be dating anyone he's a goddamn kid.
Shipping is retarded and Evangelion is not a harem or romcom, it will never end with Shinji ending up with someone or being happily married to one of the other characters. It's not that type of show and that would be a retarded way to end it. Eva is supposed to have a bittersweet ending, not 100% happy one.
That's why Misato's true love Kaji dies, Gendo's true love Yui dies, and Shinji's true love Kaworu dies.
Shinji should work on himself, he has a long way to go before he should think about being with anyone else.
All I ever said was that Shinji is in love with Kaworu, as in romantic and sexual, which is proven by the show and Anno's own words. Not that they should be together.
I think Shinji being with Kaworu would make him happy, because Shinji is always the happiest when he is with him and feels loved and can come out of his shell, but Kaworu would never be happy with Shinji.
Kaworu would be miserable with Shinji.
Kaworu is my favorite character and husbando, so obviously I do not want that.
>>150379828
>Because you don't have a rebuttal, right?
I do, but I've also considered my personality (sic) and the ease with which you troll and influence people.
Love is destructive. What you love you change, and it changes you. End.
>>150380559
Now I understand you. Finally. And I agree with you on Eva's romantic side. Never thought that I could have a proper conversation with a kawoshin retard. Thanks.
>>150380693
Would kawoshin make you less angry if they were both girls?
>>150380784
Well, I'm not homophobic in any meaning
But those girls are cute
>>150380853
They sure are.
>this whole thread
Dear Jesus
>>150381116
The truth.
No bumps for 6 minutes, unacceptable
>>150366927
I think the rebuild series is good in its own right so far. I've seen the first two movies and enjoyed them and I'm planning on watching the third one soon. It's like a different take on Evangelion. All of the characters seem a lot more kind than in the original series by a long shot. Even Gendo seemed less cold hearted by accepting to go to Rei's dinner. Some minor complaints I have is that the story feels more typical and cliche, as Shinji goes and almost sacrifices himself, and the world, to save Rei in 2.22. Rei as well was clearly in love with Shinji, a feeling she didn't really have or wasn't explored enough in NGE. A lot of the characters felt out of character from the original, but I don't really mind that too much as the rebuilds are just re-tellings. A big complaint I have though is with Mari, and how forced she was as a character. She just came out of nowhere with little to no motivation whatsoever in anything, she was just there to be something new and to fill the gaps of the story. I hope she adds something more in the next one otherwise she's just pointless and eye candy. I still thought they were good overall, people just get so assblasted because it's different than the original, but it doesn't besmirch the original at all. It's refreshing imo by itself.
>>150366927
Naruto.
>>150381598
I wouldn't say, that Rei didn't loved Shinji, after all Rei 2 sacrificed herself and Rei 3 gave him a power of a god
Her character development was better in the manga, she becomes gradually more humane through the story
And my opinion about rebuilds - first one was ok as Evangelion remake, second didn't felt like Eva at all and mediocre
Third one is just plain awful
We've had plenty of posts about what Eva means, but what does it really mean to you?
Has Eva ever inspired you to (re)do something?
>>150380784
Kaworu would still be a dirtbag. The infantilism, the bad faith, the sincere middle school nihilism, the conviction to demand death before reconsidering, everything compelling about the character is poison. Without those there's only a gray-haired character model left to come in second to Fuyutsuki.
>>150382205
That's part of the joke, really.
>>150382166
If inspired me to feel sadder than I was.
>tfw no Rei gf
>>150382166
I fell into 3-month depression
>tfw no Asuka to care about
>>150383106
>>150383309
My "pal" claims to have watched EoE for the first time yesterday. This is how I know he realy didn't.
>>150366927
>fucking up the world for a toilet
JUST
Honestly i wish the rebuild 3.0 went with this intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_my3088VArY
Cuz its just a gay romance disguised as EVA
>>150379035
it's a doujin where they're all magical girls (well not shinji but you get the idea)
shinji dicks asuka to make them work together