was it really deep?
yes it was. People like to say that 2dep4you or whatever thinger, but this wasn't one of those shows that did it ironically.
I dunno what it is, but people can see through fakery pretty easily. Ghost in the shell is one of those shows try too hard to be deep.
No. The TV anime suffered from budget and time constraints and plain bad storytelling. That's the only reason why people said it was "deep".
Calling Evangelion's story deep is like calling Dark Souls deep.
The only depth comes from a rushed ending. Everything else is very easy to follow. There's a reason people have to use outside sources to make sense of it, because they didn't give you enough to digest in the presentation.
Some people will say the symbolism is all there, and granted it technically is if look hard enough, but like everything it can be interpreted different ways.
So I guess it accomplishes it's goal as thought provoking, but not necessarily executed well.
I wouldn't call it deep. Concepts like instrumentality have been around in fiction since forever.
That being said you fucks memeing "pretentious shit" "3deep5me" are the real pretentious contrarians.
A one Spanish said Im an animale.Im 21yo today.I have played tennis for 15years.When I won a first junior championship, My mother cried for pleasure and huged me.Ive been to china for one years and studied chinese.At china I got first Japanese gf.its 19yo.
Im a human.Not el animale.I know sad,pleasure,angry,greedy,jealousy.
Reminder that instrumentality was a GOOD THING and actually the next step of evolution, not a step back.
Shinji was TRICKED into dispelling it by two EVIL GODS who were looking to REINCARNATE themselves.
Spread the word.
How about you fuck off contrarian faggot?
I had to stop watching it because it got too gay for me, but I guess fags like you like that sort of fujoshit crap.
If you're talking about Kircheis he dies 1/4 through the show. Also childhood best friends =/= gay.
Fuck you, don't make a show about humanity repeating the cycles of history with spacefleets about your gay fantasies you faggot.
I haven't gotten into Arslan, that actually does look a bit fujo.
>being anti-gay on /a/, home of gay little girls.
>Calling LoGH fujoshit is contrarian now
it has nothing to do with liking it or disliking the series, but it straight up has shoujo male designs typical of the era it was made
Shinji and Asuka both fail to get on with others because they felt unloved/neglected by their parents and were unable to make any meaningful long term relationships.
Being the first to reject instrumentality implies that they still haven't grown past their childhood issues.
That's like melting down a robot and saying everything's better, cause now all the parts are equal everything is connected and the pool of nothing isn't affected by stresses or forces aside from its own weight. Oh, yeah, the robot isn't producing errors or strange results anymore, so it has to be a good thing, right?
That scene is open to interpretation, so think about it yourself. It's everything from just checking to see if she's real to showcasing both his and Asuka's growth.
The Angels come from Adam, who comes from space. It's aliens.
>Can someone explain to me what the scene where Shinji was choking Asuka meant?
Honestly I can't answer that. Maybe he's just a kinky, horny little bastard? Maybe he's checking if it's the real Asuka, so it's not rabbit holes all the way down?
>Also, where did the angels come from (i know this is not important, but still?)
I think Gendo spawned them from Adam while he was trying to activate the creature, although probably not on purpose. Misato was also there in an entry plug, really makes you think.
The angels were born from Adam, who was here on Earth way before Lilith and the humans were.
Everyone is a fucking alien. Even the humans.
>Can someone explain to me what the scene where Shinji was choking Asuka meant?
Now it's been a while since I watched Eva, but when Asuka appeared again it's implied Shinji had been alone for quite a while already, he had made a grave for Misato and all that. So it's sort of implied he thinks he finally went bonkers and that Asuka is just a hallucination and is either checking if she is actually real or trying to make the "hallucination" go away, which is why he starts crying when Asuka touches his face and he realizes he's not alone anymore.
Instrumentality makes you live an illusory world in which everything is according to you
If Instrumentality is rejected then Asuka must be real, a separate entity, and thus able to resist him choking her
It's definitely deep, but some people go overboard and say stuff like "Eva is the apex of human artistic expression"
Eva had a lot of depth to it, but lets not forget where that depth is and how much it covers.
It was well put together despite its shortcomings,and I like it for what it is.
depends on how you look at it.
If you describe it in a certain way it sounds similar to world peace
All language barriers are broken, there is no miscommunication, people can truly understand each other, and live on forever.
However because most people can't or don't want to cast their egos aside it's seen as a bad thing.
Because a unified ego goes against the very concept of an ego in the first place. When you get in Instrumentality and merge all egos into one, everything that you believed now merges with what everyone else believed, and their beliefs all fill in with your own. You completely lose all sense of self, all of your own ideas, and effectively die along with everyone else to give rise to a single being - a single ego - who would act on the consensus of all its individual parts.
There is no difference between that existence and death for you.
I only like Eva because it ushered in an era of experimental anime. Yeah, most of them were also tryhard, but we got a few gems out of it.
It was so deep.
So deep put her ass to sleep.
It was about humans learning to deal with the social problems of reality.
Instrumentality is basically a dream that would let everyone run away from that and live in their own paradises, but none of it would be genuine or real.
Shinji chose to remain in reality and try to learn to love and live with himself and the others around him.
>mfw read the spoiler and already knew what's in the box
>Instrumentality is basically a dream that would let everyone run away from that and live in their own paradises
No it's not. That requires individuality, and the entire point of Instrumentality is that it removes individuality. Instrumentality is ego death.
It was deep. I can't recall seeing another anime with such compelling and complex characters. The message of Eva might not resonate equally with everyone, but that doesn't mean the message and depth isn't there.
but this is what happens in episodes 25 & 26
Shinji briefly experiences an alternate reality where he is in a romcom.
Then it goes into the instrumentality stuff where he discusses freedom, and individuality.
I don't remember EoE doing it like this, but the show definitely did.
besides, Gendo wanted to be with his wife,why would he have gone into instrumentality if it wouldn't give him that?
Then the other thing is that if instrumentality is this kind of falsefied reality, then it also aligns with Anno's criticism of Otaku culture.
To be fair it's a kid, I doubt Anno is gonna risk possibly jading a 4th grader by explaining stuff like that to him
Because Shinji is put at the head of Instrumentality, separate from it. Rei gives him a therapy session to put him in the best possible state of mind before they reach the point of no return, and then asks if he's really sure about it. If he had chosen to accept Instrumentality, that would not give everyone dream fantasies forever; it would have merged them all together and destroyed any sense of individuality.
>Gendo wanted to be with his wife,why would he have gone into instrumentality if it wouldn't give him that?
Gendo's plans were different from what we saw. His goal was only to get his wife back, not to attain Instrumentality.
>Then the other thing is that if instrumentality is this kind of falsefied reality, then it also aligns with Anno's criticism of Otaku culture.
Anno criticizes those who refuse to grow up and live their life; those basement dwellers who sit at home all day, draining their parents pockets and masturbating to their waifus might as well be dead for all anyone else cares. They are running away from reality, and that's what Instrumentality is all about.
Everything going on during those episodes is mental. Rei is simply showing Shinji a crafted "memory" of how things could be. There is no creation of an alternate reality or universe or anything. Showing someone images in a mental world is extremely simple.
The core of Evangelion is not all the religious imagery.
The message of the show is about interpersonal relationships, about how you shouldn't run away from the world and other people. There will be pain when you interact with other people, you will hurt them and they will hurt them in return. We can never truely understand another person. But we also creatures formed through interaction with our fellow humans.
All the pain is worth it for the good times.
You will be.
I'm going to assume this anti-intellectual chart is bait, but I wouldn't doubt if you're reposting something highschool kids bitch about.
If the author (or director in this cae) is fond of metaphor and symbolism and there is proper context surroundoung it, then the author is not going to nonchalantly throw out the color of a random object just for funsies unless the objects of your consumption are composed of nothing but children's picture books and nursery rhymes.
Saying Ayanmi's blue hair color isn't indicative of her subdued and mysterious personality is akin to retardation. Both Asuka's and Rei's hair colors are very much intentional and a nod to their personalities, that's why their Evangelion are also the same color.
Literature classes are a joke these days that are an "everyone is right" situation. You have no idea what you're talking about and have probably never attended a college or at least one worth going to. Not that I'm surprised Eva threads are filled with newfag normalfag trash like yourself, but this chart is such a meme and I despise seeing it reposted.
If you honestly believe this chart than Eva is unironically too deep for you.
Just convoluted crap really.
It tries to have an artistic vision but falls flat some times when trying to be too cryptic.
When you make things vague people will ask questions and will think it's deep because there is no definite answer because the artist purposely made it vague. Still it's crap I can't stop watching.
This really depends on what school of analysis you subscribe to. If you're partial to the whole "death of the author" shtick, then you could argue that it doesn't fucking matter whether Anno had anything at all in mind when he planted all the religious symbolism in Eva. What matters is that you can form a coherent argument that is supported by the text. If you wanna argue that Eva is some sort of deep religious critic, then good on you if you can support your arguments.
Don't you see it yet? It was right in front of you all along.
>they don't know, don't show, or just don't care about what's going on in Central Dogma
What did Cube-Sama mean by this?
First time I watched it, I always thought he was listening to his father's voice recorded on some old lecture tape, that's what I thought. Apparently it was a song though, but I think I'm better off believing it was his father's voice. And I think in rebuild they state I was right about it being his father's player, but who knows what he hears on it.
Remember, when Asuka cried out in her sleep for her mother, Shinji had his player on, listening to daddy
the movie was too far through the looking glass
>that's why their Evangelion are also the same color.
mfw I get why Unit 01 is purple
He was listening to those two Lilia - from Ys songs. The girl singing those songs also voiced misato in the japanese version.
>having to wait this long for someone to give you the sentence you wanted to start your argument
>and still having to quote two people who didn't even talk about the headset
Yeah, the tv shows ending was hopeful and had a really good moral. The congratulations scene still gives me goosebumps and I always shed a tear of joy when shinji thanks everyone. Also, the moral of the ending, while being kinda postmodern "believe in yourself" message, is still very healthy and works really well in real. I was once like shinji (depressed and afraid of life) but my life changed, when my older sister though me this moral.
EOE on the other hand is kinda more subdued and leaves you with a pretty depressive feeling, after finishing it.
>EOE on the other hand is kinda more subdued and leaves you with a pretty depressive feeling, after finishing it.
This I was fucked up an entire month after watching it, it's great regardless, tho.
I liked the television ending because I was chugging along expecting my beach episode and final epic battle, but instead they show me that's not what I cared about. And they were right, none of the fighting mattered. Or who seele was or why, or what the hell was going on, it was all just nonsense, but the things that mattered were the people.
End of Evangelion could never be what the show was because it was a reflection of the reaction the audience had. Show Shinji would never masturbate to Asuka. It also went against the whole point of the original show.
>but seeing asuka get strangled was super cool
That's not true either. Just because the show isn't first and foremost truly about the angel fights and action doesn't mean it isn't important. EoE simply works to fix the problem that the original ending caused: the original series had no actual ending. There were a lot of loose threads and no real conclusion. The original ending is objectively a bad one because of this, even though I very much enjoy it.
It's as if the show was just one super long setup for EoE.
Eps 25 and 26 were 9/10 though. Ironically, removing the budget constraints that made them 9/10 would probably make them worse.
Don't you get it yet? Day versus night? Man versus god? The darkness that man was afraid of has died, and Asuka is born again on the shores of a red sea.
I was pretty content with the development that Asuka got, Episode 22 with the whole "Hallelujah" mind probe scene was pretty cool/creepy,
I agree. 25 and 26 really weren't as bad and confusing as people make it out to be. Everything is explained to you in a very direct way. I think the exposition and the dialogue between the characters while Shinji was in the tang was just such a change from how the show was telling it's story that made people dislike the last 2 episodes.
Saying something is isn't an argument.
A memento is a remembrance of something in the past, therefore the headset is not a memento.
>having to avoid it for so long while clinging onto the hope no one called the delusional asukafags out
Shinji and Rei qualify for first tier (Complete character arc with personal resolution)
Asuka and Misato qualify for second tier (Developed but no resolution)
Ritsuko, Gendo, Kaji and Toji qualify for third tier (Fleshed out with some backstory, auxiliary characters)
If you have to ask a bunch of autists on an anime board (most of which haven't even read a single good book and don't know what good writing is) then the answer is most likely no.
I actually think eps 25 and 26 were the most important ones with regards to EoE. The film and its message would be a lot less coherent without giving us an existentialist look at the inside of Shinji's head.
You see anon, there is nothing gained by holding cards close to your chest. Why not just say:
>I don't think the cute red kitty cat ears are a memento
first tier: shinji
Second tier: Rei II
Third tier: Misato
Fourth tier: Asuka
Fifth tier: those who were really interesting, but didn't develop.
Sixth tier: the nerv crew, angels, classmates etc.
Excuse me, we're discussing your ineptitude to hold a conversation, not the red headpiece. Defeating you in that argument is so simple it's not even worth my time to begin.
Wow, that was just pathetic, Asucuck. It's not a memento as per >>150318868
Yet another fails at defending your shit tier redhaired waifu. This'll always happen because Asuka is objectively garbage, which makes people like you easy pickings.
>it's an "autistic EVA fans argue for 20 years straight" episode
IS THIS HOW IT FEELS TO BE ANNO?
I completely agree.
Shinjis story was learning to change his views on the world. He did that.
Rei's story was becoming a real human. She did that. (This is my favourite character arc from the show, it's so subtle, that most people don't even notice it.)
Asukas story was about proving herself. She failed twice. (Which is a conclusion on it's own)
Misato has a really interesting story about causality (father doesnt care about her > she hates him > father sacrifices his life for her > she doesn't understand him and uses a man like his father to get to know him > starts using sex as the means to relate to people > ironically gets rejected by shinji, who thinks of her like a mother) but she has no conclusion.
Ritsuko (her mom) and kaiji have interesting backgrounds, but are ultimately there to flesh out Gendo and Misato.
Gendo himself is like a grown up shinji, but who is obsessed with that one person who made him open up (while being afraid of their own son.)
Anno is a combination of all I those characters + aspergers syndrome + depression. (That is the magic that makes the characters so real)
I think that's kinda the point.
But honestly I'm glad the ending to NGE was so negatively received. Part of me thinks that if the ending was as well funded as EoE, EoE would have never been made.
You will never watch EoE for the first time again.
Which part of "objectively garbage" didn't you understand?
On an objective basis, Asuka is inferior to Rei. That's why Asuka fans such as yourselves need to deny the original Asuka in favor of some masturbational monster you made up in your deluded little minds.
You will never watch EoE for the first time again.
What's it like to have such utterly shit taste?
Asuka wears the headpiece as a memento of her greatest achievement. It's all that matters to her. As long as she can pilot Eva, she is worth while, she has substance, she matters to people. And she wants to show that off. She thinks she doesn't matter, but so long as she pilots that thing, she does, she has worth.
>They're a momento because they remind her of Unit 02 retard.
>She wears them outside the entry plug as an accessory TO REMIND HER OF THE EVA.
At least you tried. Lemme fill you in:
Some time prior to the series, Shinji was abandoned by his father, but he left one item behind: the SDAT.
Some time prior to the series, Misato lost her father, who left one item behind: the Cross necklace.
Some time prior to the series, Rei was rescued by father Gendo, who left one item behind: the broken pair of glasses.
All of these items remind them of a special event in their lives.
Asuka's headset is a item everyone else has, it's an item that is tied to no event in her life, it's not a memento. So Asuka is out of the cool memento-clique.
The feeling I experienced after I watched EoE was something I've never felt before in my entire life. What a fucking amazing movie.
You can't "wear something as a memento" any more than you can wear a cat as a tax return. Liking to show off just emphasizes the fact that Asuka is a shallow cunt.
It's not a memento since it refer to no specific event in Asuka's life, nor does it tie to a single person like the others. Get shat on, Asukafag.
Piloting the EVA is literally the most important thing in the world to her retard. It's the defining characteristic of her self worth.
Those events in their lives and the mementos they have from them don't hold a candle to the worth Asuka puts on those stupid hairclips and you know it.
>misato wears a necklace
>rei wears glasses
Sometimes I feel like a reverse Anno. I feel like his view is that the audience never tried to venture out into the world, and is hiding. But I've been out there, and fuck it, anime until I die early.
Even the bed thing with Asuka, I had that happen to me for reals. People get in my bed and say to me that if they are bothering me, they can go. It doesn't bother me. If someone crambling into my bed at least makes them feel a little wanted, they can sleep beside me, I don't give a fuck. It's hard to be alone for some people.
She's still piloting the EVA. She doesn't wear them as a reminder that she piloted the EVA.
Rei's glasses are a memento to when Gendo pulled her from the plug.
Misato's necklace is a memento to when her father sacrificed himself for her. It's arguable whether or not it becomes one to Shinji when she gives it to him, depending on how much he associates it with his memory of her.
Asuka wears the headpieces because doing that makes her feel better.
>Quoting a great Spanish YouTuber:
"Evangelion is not as much about it's hidden meaning, it's metaphors or it's themes. It's about emotions. The emotions of Hideaki Ano and his audience."
Nah, it was my father who got in my bed, so no somewhat sexual brags. I have had girls sleep platonically with me though, but she didn't do that because she needed attention, I was just in their bed, so she just slept on top of me.
Shinji's arc is about him learning to run towards success instead of away from failure (like you do). Asuka's arc is about overcoming an indiscriminate holier-than-thou arrogance (like yours), though it isn't finished. If we can say it's aimed at someone, it's aimed precisely at people like you. It even shows a lot of understanding and sympathy for the situation.
And Rei's arc was about learning how to break yourself off from others and learning independence by attaching yourself to someone else and becoming dependent on that person instead.
Perhaps. I could never understand that if I was like that, though.
I was always arrogant, from what people tell me, and that's likely true, but one time I wasn't arrogant about how perpetually right I am almost cost me. It was a funny story. Others had to tell me I was right for once.
But at some point, when, I've gone through childhood abuse, and divorce, and had to put up with that whole bogus sexual assault charge, and much more, I really don't have much of an interest in people anymore.
made me think though
How to break yourself off from your RELIANCE ON others.
In that way, she and Shinji were very similar, though they were dependant on others for different reasons. It's explored during the Ramiel episode.
yeah, it sucked. I woke up and there was a girl on top of me and I had passed out in a sweater, and girls are so hot I was sweating in bed and my arm was asleep cause she was on it and I didn't know how to escape.
>You can't "wear something as a memento"
What did he mean by this?
I thought that her soul goes into the next Rei except her memory gets a little muddled. That's why she said "I must be the third one". She was able to keep track of how many times she died because she has the same soul.
Spoilering for blogshit
I'm a lot like you, except i had a different bag of bullshit to deal with. There's a huge difference between accepting loneliness, and being comfortable with being alone. I was lucky enough to meet a guy who clicked with me almost perfectly, we were at the same situation in the same period of our lives. It gave me hope and, more importantly, evidence that you can find people that are worthwhile, even if your standards are high. I've only met a handful of other people i found worthwhile since then, but they all make me want to get out of bed in the morning. They won't come to you, you have to find them.
And for what it's worth, i know exactly what you mean about being right. It is its own reward, but good god does it feel good when people admit it.
We fight for the liberation of the individual.
For the conquest of life.
For the triumph of our idea.
For the realization of our dreams.
And if our ideas are dangerous, it is because we are those who love to live dangerously.
And if our dreams are mad, it is because we are mad.
But our madness is supreme wisdom.
But our ideas are the heart of life; but our thoughts are the beacons of humanity.
And what the war has not done, revolution must do.
Because revolution is the fire of our will and a need of our solitary minds; it is an obligation of the libertarian aristocracy.
To create new ethical values.
To create new aesthetic values.
To communalize material wealth.
To individualize spiritual wealth.
Because we — violent celebralists and passional sentimentalists at the same time — understand and know that revolution is a necessity of the silent sorrow that suffers at the bottom and a need of the free spirits who suffer in the heights.
Because if the sorrow that suffers at the bottom wants rise with the happy smile of the sun, the free spirits who suffer in the heights no longer want to feel the petty offenses of the shame of vulgar slavery that surrounds them.
The human spirit is divided into three streams:
The stream of slavery, the stream of tyranny, the stream of freedom!
With revolution, the last of these streams needs to burst upon the other two and overwhelm them.
It needs to create spiritual beauty, teach the poor the shame of their poverty, and the rich the shame of their wealth.
All that is called “material property”, “private property”, “exterior property” needs to become what the sun, the light, the sky, the sea, the stars are for individuals.
And this will happen!
It will happen because we — the iconoclasts — will violate it!
Only ethical and spiritual wealth is invulnerable.
This is the true property of individuals. The rest no!
Yes, but independence can refer to not being attached to people in order to find self-worth, and it can refer to the lone wolf edgemeister fantasy that rejects tend to have before they grow. I just wanted to make it super clear.
To tag along with this, all the Reis that were kept in the fluid were basically just retarded empty husks. So the bodies are just shells until her soul goes into the next one I think. That's why they all had those creepy smiles and shit when they were destroyed because they didn't have Rei's soul within them.
I think, fundamentally, I was so worried about never finding a girl, and people in my country are all about the woman/man have a family, a child trope. It almost seems like if you don't do that you have failed.
But times have changed. There aren't going to be any more 50 year wedding anniversary celebrations. Anyway, choice or not, I am much happier alone.
Well shit, i can't help you overcome yourself. Couldn't even if we weren't two anonymi who knows where in the world. It has to come from the inside, and shit ain't easy. Good luck i guess.
Most of them are shitposting, a few of them are rebuild related and a handful are by people who were late to watching it.
Although it was one of the most influential.
I know you didn't just call ReDrop's Asuka doujins bad by proxy.
Don't worry anon, I'll find you and I'll suck your dick so hard that you'll be begging that I was just joking.
>Implying I wouldn't love every second
You're so confident in yourself, just like the others.
I'm seeing a lot of words but nothing concrete. When are you going to suck it?
You're not being the man Mr. Anno knew you could be.
Jokes aside, a sense of belonging is a great thing, even if it is among hateful loners. Just don't let it close you off to happiness.
Just go to sleep anon, just go to sleep... Then you'll see...
>Implying we're the loners
Man, You have to look at it at an impartial way.
Every other preppy bullshitting jock that you see is trying to suck up and be the best he can be for people and changing his ego, personality, Every UA of his soul to become possibly popular, Just because Chad Thundercock has a bunch of shitheads following him around doesn't mean he's not lonely.
In all truth, Everyone on this website is the most pure you can be, Because no one knows exactly who you are, You're just another anon, So there's no restraint in what you feel in your heart anon.
>mfw I got cucked out of a blowjob from a succubus
You are actually hurting me, anon. Not much because i try not to give a fuck about random strangers, but you are. You are hurting my fucking soul.
You're saying that the jocks are living vapid lives and guys who shitpost on /a/ all day are somehow 'pure'. While you are in a way right; about the jocks, definitely not (most) anons; it's for the wrong reasons.
I'm not being impartial. In fact, i'm very sympathetic towards loners because i've been one until my late adolescence. I'm very much on the side of quality over quantity with relationships.
But the truth that remains, and it's one that Anno outlined, is that we're social creatures. We want approval of others, we want to belong. The key is to be formed as people, and relate to others in a healthy way. It's stated in the show that one who hates himself can't love others, and i'd say that's true in spirit, though not in exact wording.
You're not accepting yourself as someone who wants to be with other people. It's fine if you don't need many, it's fine if you do need many, but you need to accept that aspect of yourself. It's alright to go through a stage where you think you're fundamentally different from other people. Hell, i'd say everyone who isn't popular from the getgo does. But you need to keep growing from there.
Chad Thundercock doesn't feel empty on the inside. He won't for a while, maybe he never will. Because he's happy with the people he surrounds himself with.
We've been through variations of this shit in every coming of age story out there. That aspect of Evangelion is even fine tuned and sympathetic to really try to reach out to you. Fucking hell, to us.
I love you fuckers, don't do this to me.
not to clued up on the series but after initially gleaned over thread the conversation grabbed me so went back to start to read it properly and that was beautiful. Even the sarky pessimist portion of my id mumbling something about commie tendencies(never mind that perpetually hung over asshole though) that was beautiful thanks 11/10:j
True words both
please excuse poor quality of pic possibly related to my feels after a finding (excuse cringe worthy description) "connection" on here. Studio is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment dhn.
technical difficulties were caused after my scanner/printer suffered a traumatic mauling by printer sharks week before last and finally succumbed to it's injuries. pls excuse baffling nature of previous post at least one or two will with luck know what an autist sending out ;)
>We want approval of others, we want to belong.
I want neither and what you describe only applies to failed normalfags. Tossing around such a statement as if it were a truism is foolhardy on your part and only emphasizes your lack of understanding.
What do you want, then? I can explain myself better if you give me something to work with.
>It's hard to be alone for some people.
And I've never understood why some people need to constantly be in touch, contact, around etc with other people. Yeah, I get the social interaction thing. I get it at work but, damn, when I get home I want to be alone, sleep alone.
the biggest thing that movie did to me was inspire me to write literature or make graphic novels.
I had to take a long shower after viewing the movie for the first time but since then I've held my head up high.
being a crazy person likely very little but thread seemed appropriate if taken in context of pic attached possibly very. Seemed appropriate spot for it.
(ffs you know this isn't a shit post mods).
just snippets from incomplete set of plates, perhaps reaction face has idea
Yes. Shinji masturbating over Asuka's tiddies was a beautiful metaphor for how mankind will do anything for the thrill, no matter how temporary, or how bad you'll feel about it afterwards.
>Because no one knows exactly who you are
But that begs the question. With the Anonymous posting here (open heart, without restraint), social media, twitter, FB etc; which persona is the REAL person? The one we meet face to face or the one that posts without a filter, without restraint, openly on the internet?
I guess what I'm getting at is. which is the REAL you? The friendly person I meet IRL or the one who spews hatred, name calling, laughs at other's misfortune, etc from the safety of a phone/computer screen? I think a case study could be made into social media and it's effects on personality.
What am I talking about?
Out of life, at the moment. I wanted to use something as a reference point. According to google, i'm not trying to cold read you. It's just a lot less awkward to talk about if it's something specific.
I guess i'll go with anime, because we're on /a/.
Why are you here? You don't need to come to /a/ to be into anime. You can enjoy it without discussing it, or reading what other anons have to say about it here. So why bother? Why open an Evangelion thread and participate in the discussion? What are you getting out of this?
Any way you spin it, the answer reduces to you, on some level, wanting to be a part of /a/ as a social group. It shares your interests, so it will accept you.
The fact that we're all anonymous here doesn't change the basic rules of human interaction.
Anon is just very "eccentric" if you will. I thought he was trying to be funny with the printer sharks but they literally meant printer sharks which was actually somewhat humorous. But he appears to be posting stuff he feels is Eva releted, though not necessarily concretely, if you will. Said images anon attempted to post were affected by aforementioned printer sharks.
But yes, he's just a very eccentric anon.
Guess what motherfucker? You aren't alone in any way right now, Because i'm talking to you.
No one has ever felt TRUE loneliness, Yes, I'm a lunatic with Dysthymia and incredibly volatile feeling but that doesn't mean i'm alone. In all honesty, You didn't even need to write out that paragraph. I understood every word of what you were going to write from the first sentence. You aren't damaged goods, Your mind heals, You aren't alone either. True loneliness isn't despair that you feel in your soul, It's just a calm foreboding feeling that you shove so far down your gullet that you forget about it. True loneliness does not exist in a social world. Read up on monks spend years alone honing themselves to one point. Feel yourself. You are not alone, You are just afraid you will be alone in the future.
The real person is the person you identify as alone.
Habits are hard to break. Like smoking for years.
Talking about anime here, Anonymously, with no faces or voices to be heard is nice. I cringe hard when I hear someone discussing anime in public. I dunno why, it's something I cannot and will not discuss in public. Also, without any face to face confrontation you can really say what you want without repercussion and when you want, you can 'walk' away from it.
>wanting to be a part of /a/ as a social group
No, see that's where I disagree. I think alot of us end up here, for better or for worse, simply because there is no better alternative. Similarly, /a/ isn't unlike radio chatter in the background, just slightly more interactive and tuned to preference. Moreover, I do not seek validation or belonging to /a/, it's more of a falling in. It just happens.
And that was the crux of the original argument anyhow, this so-called universal behavior.
The real person you identify as alone is the rambling beast that talks to itself as a feeling and not a presence, You can feel yourself think if you know you exist. I am real. I have two personas online and both of them are me in a way, It's metamorphosis, We change ourselves so much to fit in and everyone seeks approval to their misguided deeds, There is no true heart because we have become creatures latching onto social approval more than foreboding and worrying about the future. I have two people in my head, The misguided Varnes and the Charitable yet lonely Reilly. Both of them are me. I am not insane, Because without V or R I would have only one thought process about every single thing on the planet. Either love or hate. Those two feelings are what makes us lonely. Those two feelings are what keeps us sane. To lose love makes you maniac and dangerous to others, To lose hate makes you maniac and dangerous to yourself.
>You are not alone, You are just afraid you will be alone in the future.
I kinda concur. You're not afraid of being lonely 'right now', you're afraid of being alone ten, twenty, thirty years from now.
A disillusioned neet nerd chad that seems to find motivation reacting to things perceived as threats to be fought or challenges to overcome(Going easily into fight rather than flight mode is not a good characteristic for leaving a good initial impression especially as the guy seems to be wired all the time).
perhaps... in case of 93% chance have wrong switchboard again pls disregard this post.
You cringe at it in public because you know anime is, publically at least, associated with losers. Whether or not that's true doesn't matter.
That bothers you because you have a dormant fear of being rejected, because even though you've developed the hobby on your own, maybe through someone introducing you to it, a part of you still wants to be part of some formless 'in-group' of society at large. It's hardwired.
>I think alot of us end up here, for better or for worse, simply because there is no better alternative.
>it's more of a falling in. It just happens.
This exactly is my point. It 'just happens' because you want to be a part of a group of people who share your interests, passions even. The reason why you think you don't is most likely because you didn't have many things in common with those around you growing up. That sucks major balls, i get that, most of /a/ is probably like that, but it doesn't have to be that way.
It's impossible to do both, You would be a vegetable of yourself, Not knowing if you are alive or dead in a state of mind which you no longer can feasibly find yourself in your mind. Every human being can have both, But none living can lose both. You would lose all grasp of the outside world being a possibility and digress into a state of ample neutrality.
A good example of this is what would happen if you removed all water and heat from earth and made sure that they would never come back.
What would your planet look like?
You can discuss anything seriously, it just has to do with how much you get into it/care about the subject. The public will, for the most part, shun you if you express interest in it beyond a surface level. It's been and is like that with any subculture ever.
Is this speculation? Personal opinions? I demand tests. I demand a controlled test. Get Ritsuko in here.
>I can't recall ever "wanting" to be a part of this particular group
>entertaining or amusing enough to stick around awhile.
>stick around awhile.
Which is, again, what i'm talking about.
The fuck are you doing, I don't RP.
In the wise words of the late poet Ian Curtis:
"Endless talking, Life rebuilding, Don't walk away"
Think about those words for a minute.
But those people aren't real. There an outward projection of your minds eye forming an individual that talks about anime openly and seriously. Those cringe faces you see others make are projections of the reactions you believe others would make towards that person. No one is truly talking. No one is truly cringing at it. It's all imagined. Life is a projector.
thank you kindly:) correct assessment. also about the sharks... pls fellow mentals for Haysoos sakes, embrace the happy crazy elements that form your make up- a plant unwatered does not grow. even when tackling serious topics taking the piss out of your/my/our problems is a very good anti emo management tool piss take tool is best tool;p.
Misery loves company, those were tame printer sharks is fair obvious that printer was ko'd by an over enthusiastic technical tap.
Serves me right for forgetting where i am. No wonder i'm gonna get trolled.
Pic related, it's me right now.
Nope, Those are the conflicting voices of love and hate in my head anon.
Imagine getting worked up for getting needles. It's like that, There's a little pain but you really don't even realize it's there. You're overthinking it, You aren't feeling loneliness, You're feeling despair at the thought of being lonely. True loneliness is feeling despair at the thought of ever finding yourself among the slowly cracking and loosening barriers of your mind as your instincts take over your body and the rest of your recessive social mentalities are forced into the deepest darkest crevice possible. I believe an acute symbolism of this is Rambo in the First Blood movie, Completely forced out of his element on a mad quest to find the last of his kind, But provoked even more by the commons trying to vaguely understand what he is feeling.
Like a polar bear in an encasement. with icebergs painted on the walls.
Going feral and true loneliness are two different things. True loneliness is rooted in accepting the fact that you won't find anyone, Feralness is the eagerness and mission to find someone with cog-dissonance clouding your judgement.
Words are not my friend.
In this case i mean belonging, rather than validation. And i'd say that, in this context, amusement is similar to belonging. You're being a part of /a/ right now. Even if just lurking, you are being a part of 'extended /a/', which includes /a/ and those observing/amused by it.
Sitcoms, sols, cgdct etc prey on the same tendencies in people. When anons enjoy k-on as an sol, they feel a belonging to an extended social group centered around the show itself.
>Nope, Those are the conflicting voices of love and hate in my head anon.
I bet you are a riot at parties.
And this is how i know EVA was 2deep4u.
That 'not finding someone', in the purest sense, is represented by AT fields. It's impossible for people to bond on that level because of the nature of what we are. Anno says, and i agree though i wouldn't package it as preachy as he did, that even despite that, there is value in being with other people.
I understand what you're talking about, though. That existential weight never goes away. If you've realised it, you have to accept and deal with it.
So basically, we agree on that front but that's not what i was talking about.
I'm not arguing that, i'm saying that a need for belonging is deeply ingrained in how people function, and that denying your nature beyond an exploratory phase is unhealthy.
Mind, the introspective exploratory phase(s) is/are necessary for rounding yourself out as a person imo.
We're arguing about loneliness and belonging and you just strut in with your straight up Descartean sophism.
You shook me to my core.
Damn... completely agree with your respondee I was drawn to board investigating a Hyster that'd been put on the wrong ship and was missing but ended up staying despite knowing very little about anime as seemed the least toxic board on 4chan.
That is some food for though.
RE (for myself at least) the sharing interests with others in childhood, no my thought was wy should i exert my energies on other peeps interests as i'd rather be doing what i want to do. Not so much a case of being unable to as last decade or so have never had too much hassle accommodating, finding mutual points of interest with continually changing work colleagues yet here i am :...(
How the fuck was this not in the first 10 posts. Is everyone here a newfag?
Maslow's hierarchy is a good analogy for why it doesn't seem like it's ever-present.
You don't feel hunger when you just ate. You don't look for your jacket if you're warm.
I'm using healthy to mean capable of functioning well in a self-contained system of values. Achieving your own personal goals and such.
No, you cannot achieve the overwhelming majority of your own goals without having relied on other people. Relying on knowledge someone has passed on or resources someone has acquired/processed makes you part of that extended group. By default, you are programmed to want to be part of a group of shared interest. How much depends on circumstances.
>my thought was wy should i exert my energies on other peeps interests as i'd rather be doing what i want to do.
I'll bet you ten internet bucks that, had there been someone that wanted to do the same things as you in childhood, you would do it together pretty damn quickly.
>By default, you are programmed to want to be part of a group of shared interest
I would argue that isn't always the case for everyone, degrees or not. Using knowledge established beforehand doesn't equate to wanting to be a part of a group. Furthermore, your definition of being part of an extended group is highly nebulous and strains the meaning of group to a degree which the word group has now lost all meaning, if belonging is defined as such, that being using formerly established knowledge.
but if there wasn't i'd just go it alone without worry as there would always be some aspects of whatever that i'd prefer to not need to compromise on by accommodating some one elses wishes on how ought to go about things(selfish yes I know and a pity as the reward of sharing is intangible but substantial)
guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles.. some people are always just doing what they want or trying to.
I have problems accurately expressing what i'm trying to say, please take it a little less literally. My way of communicating is like throwing statements in the general direction of what i'm getting at, and it's caused trouble before.
That being said. I mentioned the preestablished knowledge and resources to imply that, unless you're living in the woods as a hermit, you are in some capacity relying on society. The fact that you're posting on /a/ means that you're relying on it quite heavily. The 'default human mindset' is built to accomodate this and function in this kind of environment, hence by default people have a need for belonging. You can circumvent this need, maybe you don't have it in the first place (highly unlikely, i'm only mentioning it for technicalities' sake), but that's not the default state of affairs.
And a sense of belonging is definitely useful in the given environment. It's been selected for over millenia. Indulging it gives net positive results, though acting on your own, while harder at first, has a higher ceiling.
Though we're talking about happiness here. Emotions are almost completely outside of yoir control. By that i mean what causes them, not the way you respond to them, whicn you have a great deal of control over. By default, you'll be happier when you (at least passively) feel you belong somewhere than when you don't, all else being equal. And there's not much you can do to change that.
> By default, you'll be happier when you (at least passively) feel you belong somewhere than when you don't, all else being equal.
Do you have a single statistic to back that up, Mr. Psych Hobbyist?
Al-fucking-righto. It isn't universal. You're a special fucking snowflake and you don't need nobody.
I'm out. I need some fucking sleep.
Recently watching(for the first time) the show, EoE, and rebuilds in the span of a week: I'm more inclined to say say no. I now realize the "2deep4u" evangelion memes were bullshit.
People like to call it pretentious because there is symbolism without any meaning. It's not really that deep, honestly, but it's good because it's one of those rare cases where the series wasn't written by somebody with Yen signs in their eyes. It was a sort of catharsis for Anno, who suffered from depression at the time, and it shows in how flawed and relatable the characters are. The plot could have been presented better, but what really makes and breaks Evangelion are the characters, their inner worlds, and the themes of loneliness, anxiety, depression and how people try to deal with it (Shinji by running away, Asuka by seeking approval from others, Misato by drinking, Gender by having all of mankind killed so he can be reunited with his wife, SEELE by seeking to destroy the human ego via turning everyone into primordial soup).
you know those flipping expensive but ultimately poorly designed unfit for purpose unable to retain their contents 'fashionable' outfit matching lunch boxes which can't even retain their contents during at most a fall from 5'7"s! well i'm trying to stop cussing and didn't have to deal with that particular issue as after (even despite my old man making me tie a piece of string around my finger to remember not to) losing a series of progressively cheaper lunch boxes in junior school I took my lunch to school in a plastic packet so pls pardon my rubber necking on the state of society and children who don't appreciate that money doesn't grow on trees and by surely scratching their shiny lunch boxes on Taichung port's quayside there negligently causing damage to their belongings. the world today...
>symbolism in Evangelion
Shinji decides he's done with his father after the dummy plug, doesn't want anything to do with the man and leaves, then comes back to save the day and answers the recurring question, "Why did you come?", by declaring himself Unit 01's pilot. Same time 01 is refusing to activate, it isn't on anyone's side but Shinji's and won't budge without him. 01 then melts Shinji to dirty water, NERV has no power over any of it, they spill him, 01 rebirths Shinji straight from its core.
This isn't a big deal. Shinji pretty much ceases to be Gendo's son and literally becomes Eva's and the show barely notices.
Asuka, since birth had a life long passion for getting throttled ever since her mother did it to her. Fear and danger are intrinsic parts of constructing a fetish, because arousal is a lot like fear, that's why you get fetishes such as bondage.
The whole series, everything Asuka did, her behaviour was to get someone to give her what she desired. Brash and callous treatment of others is the easier way to get them to wrap their hands around you, much easier than telling people what you want and getting embarrassed or rejected.
Even her first kiss with Shinji, she telegraphs her desire for suffocation by holding Shinji's nose shut, but he doesn't get it.
Finally instrumentality rolls around and Shinji can see into the minds of others. He sees himself fighting with Asuka, a fight they had before, but it ends differently. He strangles her. That is what she wants, and Shinji sees it now.
Later, washed up on the shores of the red sea, Shinji finally delivers Asuka the craving she had been chasing for all those years, and she caresses him lovingly for finally giving it to her.
Shinji doesn't even have a dick
He's only good for taking cock
>symbolism without any meaning
symbolism has to have meaning by definition. It means "a thing that represents or stands for something else." If it doesn't stand for something else (i.e. have meaning) then it's not symbolism at all. Maybe you mean imagery?
It isn't universal, which wasn't my original point. My original point was that it is the default setting, and that the exceptions are far fewer than one might think. The exceptions would be precisely sociopaths as psycholpgy defines them. Which of the fuck course autistic edgemeisters like yourself like ti believe they are when in reality you're a functional fucking human being like the rest of us. Functional in the sense that nothing's wrong with your brain, the thing that's wrong is the way you use it. Actually using your brain would let you know that
>b-but exceptions exist, s-so you're wrong
Is fucking retarded. Really, the argument ended when you yourself posted things that supported what Anno was trying to say and, by extension, my argument. After that you were butthurt and grappled technicalities.
Also, go fuck yourself.
This picture pisses me off to no end.
You that what you really think? You that how fucked up education is in clapistan?
So listen up, faggots, philologist is speaking. You can't analyse ANY book or whatever without taking into account at least two essential things. Those are:
1) Context. Which includes the time frame in which book was written and released, how in compares to other works in that time frame e.t.c
2) Author bio.
These two things are essential. Any analysis that tries to deduce something without taking into account these two things is useless.
It's /leftypol/ on infinichan, they've been turboassblasted since the election. So they're trying to using their 10 active members to shill other chans.
They're coming here and they're not sending their best.
They're trying shill pro-communist stuff when the entirety of the chans was laughing their ass of at their "No Refunds" candidate. As if anyone would take the board that supported Bernie seriously.
/pol/ has it's tentacles on essentially every board on this and infinichan's, so you not only have to shill for islamig gommunism, you have to overcome to the /pol/ antibodies THEN shill.
It'll never happen, they have the imageboard equivalent of AIDS and they're wasting away. Also the Castro death really rustled their jimmies as well.
Not really, unless you where 12y-14y or slightly retard
So what does the mighty Holmes deduce about Anno, using that same analythic framework? How does social and personal context play into it all?
What about works that are made from the get-go to be universal, like Clarke, Lem or Banks, and other works where the main conflict is between man and machine or man's false image of the machine?
And what about stories that become more relevant when taken out of their context, because of advances in technology and social/economic decay since the time they were written? Things like, dare I say it, Evangelion.
You really like my fanfiction?
Whoa this thread is still going.
Well my point was that Rei doesn't change at all. You think she does, but she doesn't. She's still a leach, needing others to confirm her existence. She latched onto one Ikari and then another Ikari. Even when
she betrayed Gendo,she was still the dependent "I'll do whatever you tell me" robot that she always was. She's the ONLY character that doesn't change whatsoever in the entire series. The ONLY one. Even side characters get more development than Rei.
That's not it
It goes to great lengths to explore shinji's thoughts and feelings, eps 25/26 in particular were Anno saying 'it can get better if you try'
Shinji comes to understand himself and his relations to others more clearly, which goes to great lengths in helping him grow
Which leads to him rejecting instrumentality in eoe. And bdfore that, the entire series details how shinji isn't just a fuckup through-and-through and how life shoveled shit in his face to leave him the way he is
Kaworu is a masterful character despite stivking around shorter than a fart, he's wish fulfillment incarnate
And Shinji has to kill him himself and face the world without the one person who could understand him to the core (beyond AT fields). Shinji's pain is presented in a very apparent and justified way
>hurr a character who fails in the face of their struggle is a shit character durr
It's unfinished because she doesn't get to the resolution. She doesn't grow. She doesn't grow because, given the circumstances, she's weak.
Not every story needs to have a happy ending.
>It's unfinished because she doesn't get to the resolution. She doesn't grow. She doesn't grow because, given the circumstances, she's weak.
Precisely. She's shit. That's my point.
>Not every story needs to have a happy ending.
But it WAS a happy ending fo