I-is there something the show wasn't telling me? Why is it warning me about her?
I dunno, oneesan's oneesans seem to be just fine when it comes to Theo. Are you sure that's it?
Well, since we don't have any other Swedes to compare her to, perhaps?
Oh right. Well Scandinavian, all the same, whatever.
In ML, it's the Swedes who are the rapefugees.
I'm still mad she doesn't make any direct advances. It's just not enough to know she was making indirect passes all the time at him, and was waiting him out.
>Bad for your dick but good for your heart.
Works for me.
When will Marimo bully Yuuko for once and force her on a date with an American!?
Nepal needs to step up her game
It's a disheartening question.
Dammit, I can't even look at that picture of Bea. Or any of her vulnerable ones. I feel too guilty. GK did a good job here. Anger, sadness, resignation, and guilt made into a volatile mix.
I just wish we had one route where Bea wasn't alone. Where Theo stayed with her to the bitter end.
It's not her fault she's genetically "gifted". What's nice is that they're not wasted, she's a genuinely wonderful human being.
If we ever see Tarisa's family, here's betting they all have giant tits and Tarisa merely got the bad luck of the draw.
I personally know Nepalis don't have small funbags.
Somehow I don't think VG particularly minds.
She's the pants in the relationship.
Who /NVA/ here?
Actually, pic related is the biggest in SM, and her personality is anything but attractive.
PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
Appart from finding her out of place, annoying or simply bland, which are th most common complaints, her fans pissed quite a lot of people off. They mostly left, the resentment stayed.
.. and finished.
Any "best girls" posted after this are fake.
Does he know where that mouth has been?
Read the VN.
He accepted everything about her.
Also, she has new body now.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, Sumikaspammer.
These are the best girls.
Would you let this girl cook for you?
Where would she get the meat?
Inia is a superior human weapon in every way.
From the thumbnail looked like Futaba from Persona 5
She looks really pretty with her hair down.
No anon, you're gay alright.
>her eyes are weird
>her hair is weird
Its exactly like VGs for that matter, and its just anime wavy hair.
>and she has ugly eyebrows
You're coming up with these as you go, right?
No, but I like her herself. Maybe because I already know better and can see through the bad job they did adapting it, but I still don't get how people could hate or blame anime Lise when I thought it was pretty clear she got brainwashed, I mean they even outright state it.
Thats not entirely untrue, but theres a massive difference in depth between LN/VN/anime versions of her character. You really don't get the full picture on the what how and why just from the anime.
Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart
dat smile, right in the heart
I'll ask again since you didn't get it the first time.
>But do you like how they butchered her motivations, made her look crazy and evil and made it look like Axmann had done nothing wrong?
To which you replied.
>they really didn't.
And still we get things like anon here >>150267005 states. So are you sure they didn't mispresent her? It doesn't matter that both you and I understood what Lise was supposed to be when half the viewers don't get her.
No doubt it was unfathomably brutal what she went through to disturb her as much as she was, luckily theres a way to set that right in the VN. Mostly. That said Lise was apparently too complicated a character to get right in 12 episodes judging by the majority confusion and misunderstanding the anime caused, the reactions people had between her original and adapted versions differed greatly. I can admit they didn't do a proper job explaining or representing her motivations and perspective.
Here you go.
You're vastly oversimplifying, but okay. More crazy just means more healing needed.
And now you're just lying and clearly haven't read it.
How awkward would it be for Lise and Theo if Beatrix and Iris really did get over their differences and join together? I can't imagine Lise being too happy to have Theo near Iris (even in Lise's route, Theo still loves Irisdina), but she can't really use the stasi to separate them now since Iris is now on her side.
Dude, she realizes how far gone she is and feels horrible about it, she says it right there. Theres simply more to her character then you're letting on, I'm assuming because you just don't like her.
>Comparing a legit psychopath to his tormented brainwashed victim
It's kind of complicated. I don't know if he loves Lise in the same way that he love Iris, it's just that his priority shifts to protecting his imouto. Throughout Lise's route, he repeats multiple times in his head "Kidnapp/save Lise, kill/sabotage Beatrix, get back to Iris." Like when Beatrix tells him she'll get him a MiG-27 because she likes him, his thoughts aren't "that's cool" but "wow, if she's not kidding, I could really tear into her and it'd be a huge boon to the rebellion." This is repeated again later on when he asks for information from Beatrix, stating that he "just wants to save Lise," while thinking in his head he's going to find info to sabotage the stasi along with saving Lise. This plan goes to shit after he kills Sylwia of course, but serving Irisdina was always a strong secondary priority to saving Lise.
I'm not sure you could say he really loves Iris at all given he barely knows a thing about the real her. He cares for both Lise and Iris but in Lise route Lise really becomes the center of his world, not that he can't still admit to his feelings for Iris and his friends, Katia, and their ideals but he ultimately chooses to leave everything behind to protect and be with Lise. That and the vows of undying love and being together forever.
>お互いに, いつしか, そうありたいと望んでいた
>ロにせずとも, 確認せずとも, 互いに気持ちが通じ合っていた
>改めて約束を交わさずとも, 俺たちは... 互いに, ずっと, 恋していた. 添い遂げようとしていた... はずだ
she is crazy. another proof. you come between her and onii-chan and you are dead.
don't know how anyone can waifu this piece of shit. she is not bad as axmann but she is pretty evil. Only cares about herself. She probably picked that up from her mentor axmann
Lise tricks him into going to STASI so he is thinking the whole time how to get back to Iris with Lise.
How am I blinded when she says so right there in the final scene
You say you're looking at it objectively and you're not wrong but theres more to it than that, Theo is the most important thing to her but she's not as one dimensional as you make her out to be.
>a guy who makes Johan Liebert look like a nice fellow
>comparable to a mindraped (and physically raped for that matter) girl who broke under all the "conditioning" but is ultimately human and capable of human emotions
That's only because she knows theo will hate her after he finds out what she had done. And if she really cared for Katia she wouldn't kill her in the first place so your answer is invalid. you just replied with another post because you can't find a thing she cares about other than her brother. she is just that shallow.
You clearly won't listen since we've already gone over this countless times in the past. Read the material yourself or stop trying. If you still insist on behaving like a dummkopf then you're either actually dumb, a real sociopath, or just shitposting for the sake of it.
Axmann has actually killed less people then Beatrix if you think about it.
>Axmann has actually killed less people then Beatrix if you think about it.
Even Lise has probably amassed a larger killcount than Axmann, since he likes to keep his hands "clean".
She at least doesn't go crazy and just starts killing people like Lise when she kills Katia and Pham. Lise is much worse than Beatrix. She deserved getting killed in 2/3 routes and reduced to a retard in a third. Fitting for such a vile person.
Her ideals are shit, and she's warped Jurgen's ideals into something monstrous to justify herself. She was also probably responsible for Jurgen's death, yet she decides to blame Irisdina instead. All of Jurgen's surviving friends and relatives like Walther calls her out on it in the VN.
This TSF was supposed to have DDR roundels
They were going to lose, it just depended upon how hard. The rebels were the lesser evil given the shit situation they were in. Everything in the VN and side material point to the rebels being the better choice while Beatrix was completely wrong and would have caused more destruction.
Beatrix is a soldier though, she's fighting for her country. She protects the Stasi because she believes it's the best tool to galvanise the country against outside threats.
Axmann is a politician who just wants to increase his power so he can get away with kinky shit.
That is nowhere pointed out only that by 1984 germany is kill so you information is wrong. And you are stupid since this was statetd multiple times here and you still haven't learned.
don't know why i posted a offical map since you are probably too stupid to read it.
Yeah, and Beatrix doesn't like the wall or stasi either. She'd want democracy and reunification in an ideal world without BETA, but she doesn't live in an ideal world, she lives in a world filled with decisions between the lesser evil. She's actually very close to Katia in what she'd really want; she just considers it to be an incompatible with the reality they are facing.
She has the best body in SM, but usually ends up hiding it in some way.
>She has the best body in SM, but usually ends up hiding it in some way.
We will be getting more of that body in Beato maniax and BiS VN The question in that pool was which route would we like in "SM maniax". So they are probably considering a Maniax with multiple routes and girls?
A fitting end for the Pommeranian, seeing that they always pair her with Sumika in the official art.
Maniax games have never had routes Anon.
But SM Maniax could break the tradition. As long as they deliver Melvina Maniax first.
The last Maniax game with multiple routes was Age Maniax. All the others focus heavily on ONE girl with ONE route.
I'm really crossing my fingers and hoping that poll wasn't a joke poll though.
>Maniax games have never had routes Anon
Age Maniax had multiple routes, and was actually the longest Maniax game at 30h of playtime. It also had old school Carnelian hentai, and Cal from Requiem of the Phantom shows up for some reason.
Of course, age hasn't gone as crazy with their VNs since ixtl took them over.
Can't be serious unless its just ignorance. The only people who don't like Lise are the people who don't really know her.
So in reality, no one has ever really disliked Lise. Its impossible when you know the truth.
>kidnapped and driven mad by brainwashing
>being this mean to her
All it means is she deserves healing and happiness and a chance at having normal life again which luckily she does at the end of her route. If theres some good from your blatantly off base shitposting its that it makes me love Lise even more knowing how horrible a person one must be to even pretend to think the things you've posted.
Just relaying the law laid down by the mods. Not my problem if you have nowhere to go.
Doesn't matter, most of these threads devolve into talking about the VNs.
Except within context none of that was her fault to begin with, if you're trying to stand on some objective moral high ground you're failing miserably for blaming and attacking a victim. Stop trying to "discuss" material you clearly haven't read or care about.
This is just getting more and more pathethic by the hour.
>She had to torture and execute deserters.
You know that if you phrase it like that you are absolving her of responsability, do you?
Not at all.
Inia, Yui, Cryska and Irisdina are my waifus. Stella and Beatrix are fine too.
Lise is my waifu. Every other girl is fine too but only one is my waifu.
Lolise is for adopting and playing this every night as a lullaby
In depth Chink summaries of routes here:
Just pointing out that they are both very lovely girls.
Kasumi is cute but not my waifu.
Ich will nicht mal wissen woher du so'n scheiß Lied kennst Junge, aber es ist die Absicht die zählt.
The comparison seems out of place, unless it was mentioned in the VN. Can someone confirm that such a thing was mentioned by Beatrix in the Lise-route?
Why is Beatrix so goddamn noble and principled in every single route outside of Katia's, and why is Heim such a wimp?
Here, Beatrix purposely relocates the fight to be outside of Berlin to minimize collateral damage, while Heim and Iris are shown to be quite open about shelling civvies.
>Here, Beatrix purposely relocates the fight to be outside of Berlin to minimize collateral damage, while Heim and Iris are shown to be quite open about shelling civvies
Thank you moderate opposition
>Why is Beatrix so goddamn noble and principled in every single route outside of Katia's,
Katia's route is the one where she gets closest to victory, so it might be that success, is actually bad for her sense of right and wrong. When being evil pays there is no real incentment for her to retain her morality is there?
Funny how things can work out in the end.
I'd chalk it up to skewed perspectives. There's no mistake that the only route where she seems like a monster stasi is Katia's and the one where she's most sympathetic is Irisdina's.
Nah, it's probably because Kouki wrote them and we all know he's a massive Beatrix/Yuukofag.
Sort of awkward, but as Theo in the Werewolf showed, he's nothing if not adaptable.
Lise, it might be more problematic. Especially as she'd have to face people she's had to torture. While Pham would no doubt hug her, it'd probably cause even more heartbreak.
That's an overplayed theme. He still wanted to fug her even when he absolutely hated her.
Of course she does, well at least the former anyways. She attempts to mask it with duties, vision, belief, but ultimately it's a fragile act. The latter is more Beatrix's.
>hat's an overplayed theme. He still wanted to fug her even when he absolutely hated her.
He keeps staring at Beatrix's tits while he fantazises about killing her. Its more or less the same, Theo is capable of differentiating on that matter.
Didn't think I was a chubby chaser.
You're not very good at this, y'know. Bait is supposed to be subtle.
Some rip those happy Phams and Anettes already. They don't get enough smile time.
They seem to like this motif of cards and Stella. At least she's good. Cryska might be too, since she's autistic.
>Ace of Hearts
Voice sounded more mature too, but I don't know the name of the character designer at Liden who did it. I like all her designs for various reasons though.
I liked all of the designs except Beatrix's.
I wanna have a sleepover at Lise's house and play doctor all night long.
>When being evil pays there is no real incentment for her to retain her morality is there?
But she fucks herself up in the other two routes by doing the good thing instead of the pragmatic or evil option. If anything, there's few incentives for Beatrix to do good and tons to do evil in these routes.
They're good in tanktops. I like that Stella likes to wear them too. I noticed Yui by contrast prefers the more covering shit type.
That reminds me SM had nowhere near enough tanktops despite the fact they all wear them.
love and healing love and healing love and healing
I wish I had the scans of this doujin
Why don't you ever get scans of things that actually need much better quality scans?
Also, Yui isn't that yummy, she only looks yummy. She's disgusting and bitter when you bite the exterior and taste the clammy filling.
I really wish I had scans of this doujin.
also, LWP STRONK
Nein. Pham is always Lord of the Sleepovers. You goto HER house with the other girls.
Are you saying Ilfriede should be added to the list of oneesans? Or is she more peer love interest?
So far in the visual novel, I've found Iris, Pham, and Beatrix to be the three most likeable characters in Schwarzesmarken. I'd want to say Walther too, but unfortunately, he barely appears.
I wish we could get a pastiche of anime Beatrix vs visual novel Beatrix.
Was she waiting for Yuuya to come? I just find it interesting that she wasn't particularly surprised Yuuya would drop by when she was showering, as opposed to peeping. And didn't flinch, waiting for him to say something.
Been playing Wolfenstein and watching Schwarzesmarken. I wonder if there's any other anime set in East Germany, or any games where I can give stasi like pic related the BJ treatment.
How does one go about removing stasi?
Haven't you seen girls in comfy home clothes? If it's not PJs or a negligee, it's something like that.
Yes! Even the girl from the opening of SM!
ESPECIALLY LEAD BELLY! She gets a special booby smush hug session before the others start to arrive.
Do boys get to come?
Espers are not good for anything other than lewding.
Inia is pretty cute no matter how you look at it. You just want to take her home and hug her from behind.
She wouldn't be one of the best girls otherwise.
if Genya really did read my stuff I'm stoked as all hell.
seeing the spoilers makes me think i got the characterization down pretty solid
I love you.
Also yes your Lise was always spot on, and even quite prophetic of some of the stuff that ended up happening in Martyrs.
Yes. And Pham will make her wear it.
Her and Suzy have to change into sleepwear last.
>Would bully-mode Pham loom over her ominously?
That's a dangerous alley you're going down anon.
>intentionally skewing what happens
>leaving out context
What part of being kidnapped brainwashed and forced to do those things do you not understand? Are you retarded? Its a shitpost because its purposefully inflammatory and misconstrues the truth. Fuck off.
She was retard, that and also tortured, abused, and mentally conditioned. She doesn't need excuses for what she did because it was never her fault and she never had a choice to begin with.
>she never had a choice to begin with.
Oh but she did. She could have refused to do the bad things they made her do it. But she rather Kill and torture other people to save herself so that make her kinda evil and selfish.
You don't know a fucking thing do you? Thats not how brainwash works. Thats not how the human mind works when tortured and forced to do anything they make you just to make the overwhelming pain stop. Thats not how mental conditioning works. And thats not how being blackmailed to save your brother's life works.
you are again trying to excuse her actions. By your logic everyone is innocent in SM.
Axmann is innocent because that's how his minds works and he can't do anything about it because he was born with it.
stop trying to excuse her actions just because she has a vagina and you like her.
Except her conditions are completely different from Axmann's and your point makes no sense. Axmann was beyond salvation and made the choices he did completely of his own volition and to become what he was from the very beginning, Lise was forced into a mold she doesn't fit and broke but was always able to be salvaged, and if you can save someone for the greater good you should.
Stop trying to justify your irrational hatred of her when you don't even understand her.
It is you who doesn't understand her and you refuse to see anything that's bad about her. This will be my last post since you are too stupid to understand or just refuse to do so because you fap to her.
>keeps getting points wrong, isn't informed on the topic and can't even follow his own internal train of logic
You're a retard. Its not about refusing to see anything bad about her, its understand how and why she is the way she is, and when you do it makes hating her or blaming her irrational and misplaced.
>brainwash isn't a valid excuse
But thats exactly what it is, in fact it means she doesn't even need an excuse.
>what Axmann forced her to do reflects badly on her
Jesus man you've got some serious problems.
>Katia has to look like Gretel to not be bland
Really makes you think
that Gretel is best girl
>Would bully-mode Pham loom over her ominously?
It's not a nightmare. It's the future you chose.
Monica burnt the first batch, delays.
I'm not a Lisefag but what triggered you into responding again anyways? I recall you being around here weeks ago, maybe?
Do TE girls get to come? Maybe Stella can cohost with Pham.
I do hope we get at least one Tarisa SSR card. If nothing else to confirm if Macaroni is noodling the Churrasco.
Not really, both Katia and Gretel still look like trash. Gretel more than Katia.
I could buy it maybe, if Katia's face and shoulders fill out a bit more to indicate she's at least near middle age. Now if it's a full body shot, of course she needs those wide hips, bigger funbags, more toned and elastic bones and muscles.
A little mommyfat if you so desire.Along with a little weathering of the face, it'd be a good look for MILF Katia.
I like girls with glasses, but they really make her look like a cunt. I know the Pactoniggers will cry foul and say how they're the real style and to that I say this is proof positive that communism is failure.
Look how cute she is without her Dick Deflector Goggles!
but the ponytail is nice
>Pham and Stella tag team super slumber party
I don't think the world could handle this. On the other hand, Theo, Yuuya, Walther, and VG could form a pretty effective peeping team.
I was going to make a tasteless joke, but alas. You suffered enough Sylwiabros.
Wait, so they're not even good at ESPing? You know, their primary purpose.
>Would bully-mode Pham loom over her ominously?
You tell me.
There is literally nothing wrong with socialist spectacles
Onii-chan couldn't find her a new ribbon during his trip to Berlin.
Here's what the Japs have to say about our threads over on /a/:
Nips have good taste. I've also seen them linking back to and discussing posts made here, its kinda
There has been a lot of fun fighting with each others character [waifu]
I wonder if I should sell it for foreigners
Waifu wars are fun, so long as your waifu isn't the one getting trashed.
The Bea hate and the different culture was new.
So is that how the view the Beatrix shitters?
4Ch is now indispensable for image collection.
Well fuck you too 2chan. You have way easier access to the source while we have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get it.
I realized there were some pornographic thumbnails I left in there, and I don't want to test the new moderation staff.
Lisefags are kind of greedy. They get 2 love scenes, the majority of fanlewds, and they still want a Maniax.
Not as greedy as Iris always hogging the fucking couch.
Does anyone have a collection of beatrix pics to share?
Yes we should soon
Beatrix, Pham, Sylwia, and Irisdina. DFCs need not apply.
This hunny cunny.
>especially when you compare her to Beatrix and Iris, who are filthy on the inside.
That was a while ago, theres no physical difference beyond your own imaginary problems with it. And given how horrible the experience in the past was for her too its all the more reason why she needs love and healing.
Self-sacrifice to save the one you love is pure.
And that explains it. Have fun being an irrational dickhead forever. She's clean in all the ways that matter, no matter what happened Lise is still more worthy of love than someone like you.
>The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.
Lise is an angel, so i want to
place her prone and sever her ribs from the vertebral column with a rusty dull knife and pull her lungs out through the opening to create a pair of wings.
Which Muv-luv would make the best waitress?
Needs to be coordinated but also flirty
>coordinated but also flirty
Gotchu covered pham. Actually Pham would be great too.
Inghild/Lise bonding over ribbons when
>Needs to be coordinated but also flirty
>that synergy between their designs
Radical. And confusing from a distance. Age I would pay to see that.
Beatrix would string you along, get your dick hard, then mutter something in your ear to confuse or kill it, just like she did to Theo when she flirted with him and followed it up with "I like to make a man scream" line.
She's a troll like that, so I'm not sure she'd make for a very good waitress.
Here's another, featuring thick GK Bea.
Hey, neat. We've finally been noticed by not just the chinks.
>that one Kyoko anon
If you guys can hand translate, why don't you do that? You know most of us don't speak JP or the various Chinamen. And machine translators are hot garbo.
Thanks for wasting so many posts, now sod off, dickhead.
Thead is up post all your pics.
How do the Japs feel about Yuuya anyways? I mean a reading of his character is a look at sort of the hafu dilemma. If anything, it feels even more like the hafu thing than growing up a mixed Asian kid in The South. Not that it's bad.
How do they feel that Yui-hime lost to even >>150313329 BEEG AMERICAN TITTIES?
>Do you want me to make you scream?