Does Yayaka have chance to win the Cocobowl?
Papika has already almost won. All that is needed is for the real Papika to want to do something fun and not a PI fake.
OP, you've caused my sides to send themselves into orbit. What a thing to ask.
What are the chances they "experimented" when they were kids, and this is why Cocona always blushes when Yayaka gets too close.
I just wonder. That ring on her ankle somehow stops Papika from disappearing into Pure Illusion, right?
I just rememered this scene, where Papika was about to take her pants off. Cocona stopped her, but if she didn't, how would she take them off with that ankle thing still in place?
Looks like Hidaka was working on some PapiCoco shit when Bu-chan exploded.
Maybe he thought this episode is just too lewd for him and shut down Bu-chan accidentally.
More importantly, when will Papika and Cocona "do it"?
A PI full of cries
Henshin filled with lies
Amorphous, is it worth the price?
A soul pledged to Asclepius
Now I’ve flipped it
I know I can flap
Mimi is just beyond the gate
>Dr. Salt, I'm Mimi
This show is already getting dumb.
>Papika now calls Cocona "Mimi" even though she never has before
>Papika has an anklet she can't remove (even though she's been seen without it before)
We're on our way to unsatisfying exposition that has nothing to do with the earlier episodes and was entirely invented towards the end of the series.
I wonder if we should be reading into her anklet.
Has she been seen without it just due to continuity errors, or did they deliberately show her not wearing it during certain scenes to suggest that it has been removed at times?
She can't remove it, but that's not necessarily the same as it not being removable. It just means that she's not the one with the keys. If it's not just due to continuity errors that she's occasionally seen without it, then it would suggest there's been something going on in the background that the presence of the anklet is suggesting.
I agree. Have you ever seen a rabbit (even fictional) like this? The answer is NO. Darwin would've been ashamed of this idiocy.
This is the earliest screenshot I have of her with the anklet, but I'm pretty certain it has been visible before this. I don't think it's a consequence of PI travels. Somebody put it on her and she doesn't seem to have been privy to the details.
There was only one scene where she was shown "without" it, and that's when she showed up in the pretty dress at sschool in episode 2 (and she was wearing stockings then, though it should have been visible under them).
The other reason it's puzzling is that she's been wearing it over her initial wetsuit and shouldn't have been able to take off the wetsuit without removing it.
Please show me a scene after ep 1 where we can see Papika's hole left leg without the anklet. Not one where it's cut off and you think it should be low enough.
Calling her Mimi is just PI shard mind fuckery.
>inb4 it's removed and now they're happy
>OP vocals call the meshi waru
>the meshi was actually oishii
Why is this allowed?
She takes those stockings off later and it's there. We can see it in every single other scene that shows her left ankle. The only time she doesn't have it is when she's transformed or playing young Iro. Her other versions also don't have it. They even gave it different colors and designs in every PI they enter. The only thing I noticed about it in this episode is a bulge in it for the shard, which I guess they never included in low-detail shots for simplicity.
godammit forgot the pic
The same episode where "she doesn't have it" (2) has a literal close-up of it with the shard glowing inside it right when she transforms.
A simple design choice/minor oversight like not drawing a bulge below the stockings =/= "DUDE PLOT HOLES!!1 xd!"
This has been another exciting episode of In-depth Film Analysis of a Japanese Children's Cartoon.
Join us next time when we attempt to determine once and for all how the glasses got fixed.
It's really boring to "argue" with people like >>150212111 who blatantly don't have a genuine opinion on the show and are just trying to find shit to throw at the wall and see what gets more (You)s. Same as the dude pushing the writer change meme.
They aren't people posting their real opinions. They're just shitposting and seeking attention.
I'd rather talk about the plot hole Cocona has been hiding this butt in the entire time.
I'm sorry that you're not sensitive to writing quality (maybe I'm not, it might make you enjoy anime more?) but 7 and 8 were noticably more poorly written. It's not just one person who thinks so. Stop dismissing the opinion just because it's a negative opinion about a show that you like.
And yes, I realize 4 was written by a different writer also, which goes to show that 7 and 8 are just stand-alone instances of badly written episodes. But it still stands to reason that Yuniko was batting 1000 with this show and the future is a little uncertain without her.
I'm sorry if that's not a "real" opinion to you. I'm sorry if you think only one person sees it this way. All I know is that at least two people, probably more, have expressed similar opinions in previous threads. And I understand your feeling towards it because criticism like this is sort of a downer, it tarnishes the otherwise universal acclaim that this show is (rightly) receiving on /a/.
But you have to grow up and accept that people disagree with you, anon.
Even if it was true that the anklet was missing in some scene, it would never be a valid point because it is shown in literally 90% of all the scenes in the show and in very prominent places such as the pic I posted when she transforms or the very first appearance of her in episode 1. There's absolutely nothing in the previous episodes that contradicts her statement in 8 of being unable to take it off, and this should be obvious to anyone who bothered to pay attetnion enough to come up with that dumb criticism. So no, it is not a valid point. It's just shitflinging.
Recall that in episode 3 it got replaced with the manacle from the ball-and-chain.
It was made for me!
But it was back when they got back
7 was very well written (the exchange with the demon was the best dialog in the whole show), and 8 wasn't any worse written than the other "random references action" episode (3).
You could make a case for them being less well directed, because they both had a slightly choppy, rushed feel to them (8 more so), but that doesn't fit in your HUR DUR DA WRITER CHANGED narrative.
It seems to be implied that they spent a long time in there, so maybe Papika switched out her clothes for something more desert-appropriate at some point when she was wandering around?
It's all bullshit discussion. Why do people do this to a show as silly as FliFla in the first place? It's like overthinking Gurenn Lagann's themes and metaphors of libido and evolution. I'm waiting for the eventual butthurt from you deepfags when this show turns out nothing like whatever your Pure Delusion is like, as the metaphors are just there for the sake of being stylish and nothing more. Oh, and the relationship will never end up as real yuri either. Just enjoy it and stop thinking. Obey.
Actually it was here at the beginning of the episode before she got captured, so I guess the villagers happened to put the manacle directly over the anklet? Illusory serendipity
The moral of the story will be that chasing dreams is retarded, and that reality beats it when you take off the rose-tinted retard-glasses.
Yayaka will beat Papikunt.
Based Yayaka, based /ourgirl/
Cocona [cocona] Cocona [cococa]
You should really read the thread before posting. This has already been brought up and noted its likely that it is supposed to be under the stockings but an indication of it simply wasn't added.
They spent several days in the desert. Papika just put on her cloak as she was seaching for Cocona while Cocona spent her days mind-controlled by the mask.
Read the replies for the first time this was posted.
Sorry, just got in here. Anyway here it is in a later scene. Still, they forgot to add it here >>150213208
You aren't "sensitive" to change you are susceptible to confirmation bias. If it wasn't pointed out the writer had changed you would have never noticed the difference. Just like with the majority of anime where it never gets discussed or mentioned in the threads. You think Yuniko is much more important than she is anyway, she would have ultimately been writing anything and everything with the directors approval only. It's not as if an script writer just gets to write whatever they want. They have to write to the storyboard, to the characters, to the directors will, to the preexisting plot.
Is Papika good at ping pong
Does she know how to have tanoshii
'm not that guy though, and I love the show
Stop thinking everyone is shitposting, you're just making things worse.
Yuniko isn't even that good. Look at her work history. She's a shit writer before this. She just got lucky here because of the team. It's a fluke.
I'm talking about the people here, even thinking that this is about puberty, sex, etc. and trying desperately to prove so by making up shit out of something that has never happened in the show. Look at how much they try to justify the fanservice.
Nobody cares about your useless liberal arts degrees. I just want to watch a silly anime in a comfy thread. FUCK deepfags and trolls.
The most inconsistency with the anklet is actually this scene from ep 1. In some shots it's missing and in this one it's on her right leg. Given that they added it for every other plausible shot, it just makes me think that some people didn't talk to each other or the director was tired when checking the cuts.
If you want to join in on a discussion, at least read what's already been said. Nobody likes repeating themselves.
>Papika goes to gym class
>takes off stockings and shoes, puts on gym clothes
>comes back to the locker room
>stockings and shoes are gone
It is about *something* and there are subtle visual clues and such in the show and an obtuse approach to storytelling for anime but it really isn't trying to communicate some super DEEP message. A lot of the times things people try to interpret are just that because they look cool and the creators like them. The fanservice was just fanservice for the sake of fanservice because the director of the episode likes fanservice, he draws lewd fanart and posts it on his tumblr. You could argue that as it is based on Buu-chans brain it influenced the shot choice. Like it influenced the design of the city they used and the use of mechs but ultimately those things are chosen for a reason by the creators to be in the show and a lot of it is just cool shit.
She needed to learn her place.
It's funny Kiniro Mosaic had two different writers besides Yuniko (she only wrote half the episodes) but I doubt anybody was complaining about a change there and the same with Locodol (she wrote less than half of the episodes). People thinking the writer change is something unique or important that doesn't happen normally have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
I don't get why a lot of people are so upset about bullshit theories.
It's not like every popular (or even confirmed) make immediatly perfect sence so it's pretty much necessary to throw a lot of stuff out and see what sticks, especially when the show is still airing.
Just let it happen, or we might actuall miss somethign big because people give up on their "bullshit" theories to early.
theories about what hte plot might be and interpretations of already existing material assigning them some heavily allegorical value are two different things. The latter can be readily dismissed if it's argued on weak grounds (almost always, in this case).
Does anyone remember the scene in ep 2 where Conona was checking out Papika's body and blushing? like there was even close ups of Papika's band-aid/bandages.
I don't think I ever made that implication. Another poster may have. Let me be more specific about what I mean.
1. Most of the episodes have been good. 7 and 8 being the exception.
2. All of the episodes credited to Yuniko have been good.
3. However, there was one good episode without her too, so there's no implication that the show relies on her.
What I see happening is just that people are making poor choices. The three not-Yuniko episodes were each written by a different person. One of them did great. One was the director and his was sort of meh, hardly any interesting dialogue with the exception of the bed scene, which (to me) felt hamfisted and too on-the-nose. This recent one, all the characters felt more like tropes than they have before, and something just felt missing in the character interactions which is hard to place. All the "I have to protect my friends" stuff featured heavily and felt uninspired. Especially how it seemed to be a turning point for Yayaka. But it's also possible that was supposed to go hand-in-hand with the "genre" parody. Though if that's the case, they decided not to do that in episode 3, where the girls acted substantially like themselves.
I feel like this point is belabored here. I don't feel strongly enough about this to warrant the amount of time I'm spending on explaining my feelings on the matter. And it seems more like I'm trying to convince you that I honestly feel this way instead of trying to persuade you to see things my way (since I don't really care if people actually agree with me, I just know I'm not the only one who has felt let down in recent weeks).
I'm also worried about less Pablo, the visuals in episode 8 were pretty bland even though they were going for that monochromatic thing. Pablo was doing art direction on the previous episodes so it's hard not to wonder whether they're the missing variable.
But mostly I'm just worried the rest of the series will be like this.
Hopefully the rest of the series will be like this, just as good as before, and the majority of people agree. Every choice Yuniko would have made would have been approved by the director, the difference you think you are perceiving just isn't there.
How does that contradict to what I say about this show? Don't reply to me if you're just parroting my own view with even more pretentious posts.
The problem is that they're bullshit, and not even speculation. Some people even tried to make it like this show is Phantom World 2.0, because of bullshit reasons and theories. That might be played out for laughs, but look at how the 'each PI corresponds to someone's mind' theory influenced the mindset of people watching here. So, instead of general people who are confused but still had fun, >we became pretentious and was outed as pseuds who misused fucking semiotics in a late-night otaku anime show. What about the late ones, like 'the writing went into shit after episode 7' theory? I could go on and on.
The problem is not that they're bullshit. The problem is that they're bullshit told repeatedly enough, it becomes the false mindset here. That's how 4chan works. Memetics and repetition, giving illusion of ephemerality. Bad influence.
Answer this for me, anon.
You've see shows that had writer changes which resulted in the quality of the show suffering, right? Have you seen ones that also ended up spiraling into a disappointing ending?
I just worry because I'm getting deja vu.
>All the "I have to protect my friends" stuff featured heavily
it's literally an 80s mecha world...
this same complaint could be leveled against episodes flashbacking to their own content (2) or super cliched villain mindgaming (3). shit, the way 6 plays out is super fucking typical j-drama stuff we've all seen doremi do dozens of times, yet nobody complained.
as the other guy said, confirmation bias. but what you're confirming was your own idea that the show would get worse with a change of writing, so you come predisposed to dislike episodes. i agree that 7 wasn't exactly amazing, not really because the writing was any different, but 8 was in line with the show average if you can excuse some choppy first-time director missteps.
Name me a show where the writer changed and the ending was bad because of it? Writers changing is a common thing with anime and it rarely gets noticed by anyone. You are just falling for your own confirmation bias. So worried that it will happen to Flip Flappers that you are searching for it so hard that you found it.
>Can I, can I save you from you, cause you know there's something missing and those shards we've been collecting not suppose to make you different all the time
the please just dismiss them instead of attackign the whole idea of searchign for "deep" stuff. Your claim about that seemed pretty final...
Criticizing weak theorys is part of the process, but your comment seemed to attack the whole process instead of a single theory, that's why i didn't agree.
Psycho Pass, Aldnoah Zero and WIXOSS, just off the top of my head.
I'm starting to think you might be right and that maybe it is confirmation bias. But the fact that I see others agreeing with me reinforces my impressions. And I could speculate about your own psychological reason for disagreeing with me also (that you really do like this show and want it to be good, and so do I).
Anyways, this conversation isn't really producing much and I'll agree that this kind of negativity is sort of a downer. We've got an awesome show at a level of quality that we rarely ever see and we should just be positive and get as much enjoyment from it as we can, and share the hype and talk about which girls we like best and whose flips we would flap.
i agree partially with >>150214044
people repeat the same (dumb) shit so often it becomes 'thread consensus' in some way and then when you want to talk about things they assume you agree with them about said dumb things that were shoehorned to begin with.
others are agreeing with you because this "oh no writerzzz" paranoia was something literally borne out of thread interaction in here, before episode 7 even aired just as we saw the yuniko tweets. people jumped to conclusions, others bought that, and then you get a group (however small) that's already on the same mindset because they convinced each other about it.
personally i have some things i would criticise about the show, and there are some facets where i find it somewhat lacking/could do better, but they aren't enough to harm my enjoyement of it. it's a casually pleasant show with absolutely amazing art and color direction
Here's what made me think episode 8 was good:
>it was fun (inb4 buzzword), the insert song was especially hilarious
>it still advanced the plot in a pretty significant way, with Yayaka finally fucking up too hard for the twins/KKK to forgive her
>Cocona's development flows very naturally from her development in 7, and comes to a head (only to be torn down by Papika's "Mimi", so that scene was very impactful)
Literally the only thing I didn't like was that one Cocona butt shot, but I can forgive it because 80s mecha parody.
It was good, anon. Great even. Not my favorite episode but a long, long way from being bad or even just 'meh'.
I said, stop replying to me.
I guess i have to agree that a theorizing brings up a lot of negative behavior/people. It seems like a lot of people are so overhyped about some clever stuff the show did that they do tryhard deepfagging without good results but still want to be able to say that people "just don't get it"...
It's pretty sad since i genuinely enjoy looking for subtle things and reading theorys.
WIXOSS - Assuming original season Okada wrote the ending episodes, same writer who started the show. Not an example of a writer changing and the ending suffering as a result.
Psycho-Pass - Aren't the complaints here about the difference in season 1 and 2? Not an example of a writer changing during series and the ending suffering as a result.
Aldnoah Zero - Same writer did the majority of the series only the first three episodes done by someone else. Not an example of a writer changing and the ending suffering as a result.
Not really seeiing any of them.
>All the "I have to protect my friends" stuff featured heavily and felt uninspired. Especially how it seemed to be a turning point for Yayaka. But it's also possible that was supposed to go hand-in-hand with the "genre" parody.
But it was, how did you miss all the damn references?
>"The visuals are there for stylish reasons"
>[insert a long-ass paragraph basically saying the same thing]
>gets called pretentious
>insults back with high school grade tier name-calling
>pretending to be a different person
The reason I called you a retard is because you aren't even interested in having a discussion. Which you proved by assuming any reply should be in opposition to your own opinion. You literally just want to annoy people and have an argument. I haven't replied to you since calling you a retard by the way.
Dude, i don't care about your fight.
Let me explain the joke for you:
>You said he should stop replying if he's just parroting you more pretentiously.
> you reminded him about what you said
the joke was that you acted like he met the condition of parotting you pretentiously under which he wasn't allowed to reply.
People aren't willing to accept metaphorical imagery unless it beats them around the head until it's so obvious it's impossible to deny.
Flip Flappers: Shallow and pretend philosophical.
Fune wo Amu and 3-gatsu: OMG AN OCEAN OF WORDS/SADNESS TRULY THE MOST AUTEUR ANIME
Reminds me of super smash bros. and how nintendo didn't want to support the competetive scene because that wasn't how they intended the game to be played...
I mean we definetely found a lot of interesting stuff so far, why stop now?
>Papika is an ageless android created by Salt to serve Mimi and their family. She had an unrequited love for Mimi and is interested in Cocona because of their resemblance. She eventually falls in love with Cocona for who she is.
>PI is something Salt and Mimi created together and Mimi disappeared as she travelled into it but only Cocona survived. The event was to traumatic for Papika so Salt had to erase parts of her memory as she was malfunctioning because of it.
>She has been spending most of her life going in and out of PI to search for her lost Mimi and Cocona. PI can be extremely deadly to ordinary people who aren't able to adapt to it, like "another bust" in episode 1.
>Salt is letting Papika and Cocona team up to look for Mimi still. Papika starts to malfunction again as she fell in love with Cocona since androids are not supposed to experience love. More drama ensues once they found her in PI.
That just means he wants it to be enjoyable without breaking your head over what every visual detail means, not that there isn't some meaning to be found.
In short, he doesn't want to be Ikuhara.
>Fune wo Amu and 3-gatsu
both of those are adaptations that struggle to find ways to make straightforward talky scenes visually engaging
but yeah i cringe every time they bust out their main metaphor, especially in fune wo amu since that's so great otherwise
Just throwing this out there, but isn't it possible that the socks/stockings ARE the anklet? Just like it changes how it looks in PI, it's possible that it can transform (either at will by Papika or through some other method) to fit with whatever she's wearing at the time. So what if it just stretched out and turned into the stockings?
That's because Fune Wo Amu sticks to one consistent theme throughout the show This is not the case with Flip Flappers. Show me one consistent theme within this show. Not even the Umwelt theme is consistent, and can be even called as a theme. It's more like an excuse. It's the Minovsky particle of this show.
Adolescence lesbian stuff. How is that consistent with the change theme? It's almost like saying that change is inevitable, whereas the PI world itself wants to keep looping. It's not consistent if it contradicts itself.
They are dealt with and gets resolved, although sometimes in tragic manner, in Season 1 as far as I remember. Also, I never said that you have to stick with one theme throughout the show. I said that Flip Flappers doesn't stick with one consistent theme. It's good that it might have multiple themes within it, but will they get resolved like The Wire? Also, why do you think it's a good idea to bring up a good show such as The Wire in a discussion about Flip Flappers, a show known for its clusterfuck of confusing mess?
Change IS inevitable, that's why putting your adolescent lesbians in a time loop of endless sexual tension and drama is a bad thing and has to be disrupted. Nothing about this is hard to get.
>a show known for its clusterfuck of confusing mess
Inside your own head maybe, and I can see why.
I read somewhere (maybe in one of post-screening event impressions) that "passing of time" is a major theme of the work.
It opens with a picture of a hourglass.
Hourglass is present in OP.
Time passing in PI and real world is always pointed out.
Cocona is always worried about school stuff happening in N days.
Clock tower is often visible in background
ED mentions following the clock backwards
Episode 5 is about time loop
Episode 6 is about loss of memory with time
Episode 8 is about body changes associated with puberty
fuck you, there isn't even a hint of androi...
Still, i think there would be more hints if she actually is a machine. Things like the bandage, her smelling, and her overall personality could be possible if they actually went for an android, but it's a lot of stuff you wouldn't associate with an android vs. no real hint of her being one so i don't see it happen.
The way she risked her life to get Cocona's glasses back and how obedient she is at many instances is suspicious. I suspect she is still an android with emotions and instincts, which is why she sometimes goes off by herself to do things, which troubles everyone. She can't tell that the pool ball and wire are not edible even though it's something that should be obvious to humans. However, she can naturally cook meals though since she relies more on instincts, she didn't know the names and information of the food she gathered to cook. I suspect her rashness is why she has the anklet put on her. Like Sun Wukong.
I didn't really saw the puberty them in epsiode 8 but it kinda makes sence...
Fanservice aside, there are certainly scene where the girls didn't feel comfortable with their "grown up" body and you could even say the different "transformation" into giant robots are part of this. The Setting in the swim class is also pretty realistic for this theme.
I'm not convinced, but interested.
Nothing about that makes her an android. For that she has to have a completely electronic brain and, optionally other organs. And there's not a single hint of that.
We know that Papika: bleeds, eats, has body temperature of a normal human, Cocona has seen her fully naked, etc. Also we know that Hidaka works on organic brains, so he could've reprogrammed Papika too which explains her weird behavior.
All those things are better explained by her just being an uneducated but actually fast learning girl that just really likes Cocona specificly (almost certainly explianed by her relation with Mimi). That's also why she get's called Dog.
It would be more likely that she's an android if she knew a lot but didn't do anyinstinct driven stuff.
Like i said, it's not liek they couldn't explain that, but it just makes it more unlikely and the isn't any real hint for being an android so i don't think they will do this.
I just don't get why she's also fixated on Mimi and how she barely seemed to have aged in the Mimi flashback. And why she would suddenly call Cocona Mimi. Seems like an android malfunctioning instead of a confused human to me. Or she can just be like Nene from Pandora.
Are you seriously trying to push this? She's hardly fixated on Mimi. She said the name twice now and both times under the influence of a her shard glowing in her hands. Papika and Cocona have been under the influence of PI before where memories were suddenly forced into their minds.
They clearly showed the shard interacting with Coconas leg before Papika called her Mimi, i don't think that was anything technical that would cause a malfunction on an android.
Papikas aging is weird, but the show already had a lot of time symbolism, even time loops and changing past events with PI magic so i don't really know how you got to the conclusion that the reason is technology based...
I'm not trying to push anything, just stating a theory I have. I want to type it out so that people can comment on it an discuss. I just noticed this whole thing because the shadow figure in white from the OP sitting against Salt looks kind of like one of the tomboy Papikas.
It seems probable since even the organizations in the show don't seem entirely enlightened on the true nature of PI. Though if she were a child of PI wouldn't she age faster than normal children?
>she barely seemed to have aged in the Mimi flashback
Alternative explanation, Cocona grew up in PI for the most part but has no memory of that being the case or is infact currently living in PI. Time passes faster there than in the real world.
Maybe this is unrelated, but part of the appeal of mecha for young boys are its size. Boys like to imitate mecha or ultraman moves while imagining they're big. Transformations and combining are even more awesome, because their bodies change even more in a cool way. It's like the avatar, or a macrocosm even, of your adult form. Which is why, for some people adults who still watch mecha are considered manchildren, especially super robot shows (which is pretty juvenile, too).
I think it would be less awesome but more consistent if they come into a world where they magically grow up and pretend to be adults, but realizing the difficulty of readjusting to their different bodies.
you guys are missing one of the most important questions!
>how many flaps could a flip-flap flip if a flip-flap could flip flaps?
It was Salt's flashback. Papika was seeing it from Salt's perspective.
Through Mimi's shards she's getting back these memories. Salt loved Mimi. Papika loves Cocona. Papika calls Cocona Mimi because her memories got mixed up.
So the Papika/Cocona is Salt/Mimi thing does have some merit.
None, because then they's be be flipping flaps and not flapping flips. They are "Flip Flappers", not "Flap Flippers".
The proper question is
>How many flips could a flip-flapper flap if a flip-flapper could flap flips
Guys. I think we're missing the most important debate.
I started watching this yesterday, told myself just one episode, watched 6 in a row until 4 am with fucking work today. Why is this so fun, /a/? I'm scared it won't have me smiling at the next episode at any time but it just keeps bringing my hopes high.
A consistent and major theme of this show is influence. The influence we have on ourselves, the influence we have on others, the influence we have on our environment, and the influence all those external sources has on ourselves. PI is a strange world representative of the limitless influences affecting each and every thing that exists.
It's great ain't it?
7 is a little bit of a downer but I think that's just because it doesn't fulfill the expectations of the other episodes. On its own it's still pretty good.
Episode 8 is a grand return to the mean.
Just finished watching, 7 was definitely the episode I was "fearing" but even so I enjoyed it for its entertaining factor. I just absolutely love that I haven't seen a single CGI scene, not even on the background stuff, it's visually appealing and comfy.
Going for 8 right now, wish me luck.
>7 was a downer
In fact, scratch that. I shouldn't say things like that. Most of the flak that episode got had to do with the change of writer. Watch it free of assumptions and make your own decision. It had really fun bits too.
Yeah, it was. I think the ill feelings people have from then are because everyone was floating the idea that FF would start sucking because of the think with Yuniko, and then the sudden shift in tone "confirmed" that. I personally thought it was gonna get all navel-gazey and up its own ass for the rest of its run, but 8 totally disproved that.
Don't care about this whole writer-drama, forgot about it while watching it and still think that episode 7 was not so great. Still good, though, the dialog with devil-Papika was the best part.
Maybe he just likes it.
https://farfromanimation.wordpress.com/2016/11/17/i-riferimenti-culturali-di-flip-flappers-jakob-von-uexkull/ indeed, true intellectual anime
You're fucking retarded. Please, everyone else, do no engage with this retard who is clearly shitposting/baiting.
I prefer Papika, but she is okay too.
The line between funposting and shitposting on /a/ seems to be really thin. On most boards, people would just take that as a joke and react with amused self-mastery, or respectfully disagree. Here everything is MAX HOSTILITY ALL THE TIME.
Yeah, doesn't help that trapfags are generally genuinely fucking retarded, so I can't tell anymore in these last 2-3 years.
>driving a truck
How much more fucking gay for Cocona can you get?
>captcha was trucks too
They don't show it in low-detail scenes, but the FlipFlap suit has toe-holes. If it's stretchy enough she can probably strip it off her foot and pull it through the anklet before taking her pants off.
It doesn't change its look, it was just hidden under the shackle after she was captured in ep3.
After Papika's Mimi bullshit, Cocona wishes she'd stayed with Papina. At least she would always love Cocona no matter what.
Salt's fragment was reacting to Papika's and it has the same color.
>tfw Papika kept making promises to Cocona she's going to take care and love her with every episode
Nah this isn't going to end badly
Honestly I think this is where we're leading to.
>Papika realizes she's not human or something
>Gets BTFO by the KKK and captured
>Finale is Yayaka (now with flip flapping powers) and Cocona assaulting the KKK headquarters.
>Everything is lost
>They're both down Papika is imprisoned
>Cocona makes one final appeal saying she doesn't care what Papika is, she loves her
>Over the Rainbow plays with lyrics
>Papika stands up
>Final Flips are Flapped
>End with Cocona and Papika living happily ever after
wtf was with episode 8, what a steaming pile of garboon.
>Sacrifice unsettling dissonant tone for goofy self-referential fanservice and dumb mecha homages
> Yayaka going dere and not being a cold-hearted scary bitch
> Animation and art style fucking WEAK compared to episodes past
> Writing and dialogue corny as fuck, trading subtly and character-developing wording for cliche bullshit
I hope to god this show didn't just jump the shark, it was so promising.
The animation was literally the best since episode 3 no idea what you are talking about. Not sure what you mean by "self-referential fanservice" at all though and homages have been common through out the show. Episode 3 was a giant homage. As for the dialogue I saw no massive change in it at all. If you are talking about Cocona coming out and saying she wanted to fight and wasn't scared any more then it wasn't any more blunt than when she said she was scared in the early episodes.
The cultural references of Flip Flappers: Jakob von Uexküll
Uexkull. As I first heard this name in episode 2 of Flip Flappers, I laughed truly out loud. It’s a much too complex word to spell for poor Minami Takahashi, Cocona’s seiyuu. Yet after noticing time and time again the voice actress’ effort in spelling it correctly, my mind is seized by the doubt that there might be a reason why the MC’s pet is named thus. Later, I ran a brief Google search and found out there actually is a meaning behind it, not a simple pop culture reference but something that is in my opinion one of the foundational cultural references of FliFla’s worldbuilding. Something capable to influence my vision of the show’s narrative choices at least to a small extent. Let us end this introduction and get to the actual details of the matter.
Jakob Johann von Uexküll (1864-1944) was one of the most influential biologists and zoologists of the last century, to the point that his influence transcended his discipline even reaching philosophers such as Heidegger, Derrida and Deleuze, to name some. He’s remembered mostly for introducing, in the field of animal studies, the concept of species-specific environment, Umwelt in German. Before him, zoologists defined the environment as a unified world containing all living species in a hierarchic order, from the most elementary to the more complex organisms. He claimed instead that it’s incorrect to talk about a unified environment, but rather of individual perceptual enviroments, of small worlds, structured on different layers of time and space, unique to every living species and all interconnected by causal relationship but mutually exclusive. His most famous example is that of the tick, which I’ll briefly explain.
Yayaka was interesting when it seemed like she was too afraid or too jaded to give in to the dere side. Like there was some real dangerous shit that Cocona didn't understand or know about, something real fucked up boiling beneath the cutesy surface.
The writers can redeem themselves if Yayaka gets brutally tortured for her transgressions. Or if the cult people invade her memory-gate-thing and brainwash her into being a real cunt.
>Papika and Cocona kiss and start dating while resuming adventures
>Yayaka gets what she wants and befriends Flip Flap
>Dr. Salt gets his waifu back
>Hidaka wins a Nobel Prize on PI research
>Sayuri's boyfriend proposes to her
>the KKK and the twins die
Is this the happiest ending?
The tick reacts only to three stimuli: when the pregnant female positions itself on a tree branch waiting for an animal to pass by, a first olfactory stimulus, the butydic acid secreted from the sebaceous follicles of mammals, suggests it to fall down; thanks to a temperature-sensitive organ, it understands if it fell on top of an animal; if it did, it utilizes the sense of touch to bring itself over a patch of naked skin and buries itself in it up to the head in order to suck the animal’s blood. Once full, it falls down, lays eggs and dies. Although limited compared to ours, this is a different world, not unlike the various manifestations of Pure Illusion; we’re faced with small worlds, each with its own rules, their special features certainly tied to events and elements of the “real” world but which are impossible to get into without “hacking” reality itself, a skill possessed by Flip Flap but that the mysterious organization opposing them seems to lack. As said by Salt and Hidaka in episode 7, the dimensions of Pure Illusions should theorethically all be connected, display various layers of depth and be deeply tied to the personal perception of a relationship between multiple subjects. Hidaka also proposes that these worlds do not belong to man only, but to every living creature and that they are “ideal” worlds, on a different contextual plan.
When you think about it, this has also been the basic structure of the series composition so far: episodes which are related to each other, but which can also sometimes be taken as self-contained, with the previous ones influencing the later ones without creating a strong serialization, their tones and stylistic choices independent and completely different from one another.
but they did fix her. Instead of a depressed, dead-inside girl who spends her life regretting losing the only relationship that made her feel human warmth, now she's an outgoing cheerful sempai with friends and a stable mindset.
Going back to Uexküll, he underlines how every animal cannot interact with an object as it is but only as one of the infinite meanings that object carries based on the Umwelt it’s placed into. Because of this forced subjectivity, we often find ourselves perplexed when faced with the various worlds of Pure Illusion and search for a more convincing explanation from the mouths of the characters themselves. There is a wall between them and us: while their perception of the world changes when entering Pure Illusion, ours doesn’t. If you’ve taken notice, as the series goes on, Cocona, the least accustomed of the two protagonists to entering PI, ends up finding the paradoxical and unrealistic situations she gets herself into less and less questionable and abnormal.
In episode 7, although suffering that PI’s distinctive features, she even manages to act with a certain degree of rationality. This, as much as we can get used to the idea that the quality of the explanations always remains the same, cannot happen to the same degree inside the viewer’s mind because he interacts with Pure Illusion with only two senses and from behind a screen.
The whole basis of her characters arc has been slowly but surely transgressing further and further against the KKK. It has been the way it has been going since Episode 3 and people have been predicting it for weeks. It was just a matter of time until this happened and in the next couple of weeks she will likely end up on the Flip Flap team instead.
To stay on the subject of disorientation, Uexküll often included, in his more divulgative texts, double illustrations depicting the same scenery as seen by a human and by the specific animal examined. There’s a parallel between what was said earlier and these illustrations: we’re in front of rifts in perception that don’t allow us to comprehend the nature of the objects we observe, something that’s been perhaps highlighted even more in recent episodes by optical illusions. Is there really a meaning behind such marked influences? We hope to better understand it once the series is over. Last but not least, one of Uexküll’s most important works is titled “A foray into the worlds of animals and humans: with a theory of meaning” (*), a subtitle capable of perfectly evoking the atmosphere of the ending theme.
(*) the original title of the work (the Italian translation of which is much more literal) is literally “A foray into the worlds of animals and humans: a picture book of invisible worlds”
The rest of the article is just the author asking for more inputs in the comments and that he'll include more findings in another article at the end of the series among other various considerations.
Also, sorry about any typos and bad sentence structure, I rushed this because it's pretty late. I just found it to be a decent article for a quick explanation on Umwelt and how it relates to the show. I also think it's interesting how episode 8 (which came out the week after this was written) further proved some of its points. It was pretty much the first PI where the influence of multiple individuals at the same time was obvious, even in the visual direction if we believe the interpretation that the fanservice shots were due to Buu-chan's influence.
Watch it with no expectations. I am loving it quite a bit, it's so fun and genki idiots like Papika are my thing, as well as the fantasy stuff and pretty visuals AND animation. No CGI.
You're welcome, it was good exercise for me as well. Thanks to the anon who originally posted the link, I'm happy that at least someone else over here seems to be discussing FliFla. I usually keep to 4chan and don't look up my national communities so it was a nice surprise.
Neat... None of the western blogs on this went into that much detail.
I love how it's folded in to FF. It never goes into detail with this-- the only hint is the preposterously named rabbit. It's basically optional content for people who get really into the show.
I'm already in love with this show.
Call me crazy but is this scene a reference to something? It looks really familiar.
The first two episodes just aren't as developed as the rest of them. Both is style and substance. They are still great episodes by themselves, but compared to the other excellent ones they aren't as special.
I thought 7 and 8 were weak comparing to the rest. And whiIe I did enjoy 3, it wasn't the best for me. Gokigenyou and 4 were my favorite.
I got the same feeling. The only thing I can KIND of place it with is old fairy tale art, like stuff by John Bauer. If you love that kind of comfy fantastical atmosphere I highly recommend you look it up. I know it isn't anime or manga but...
You're in luck then. It's doubtful that they'll do another homage/pure fun episode in the five that they have left, given the main plot that they have to advance. Maybe one more at most, but it's all serious from here I'm betting.
Not anime or manga, but it has strong parallels with the ED.
quite a bit to talk about in episode 2
>a bit more than cool episodes that references other shows/tropes
Considering episode three I like episodes that are almost perfectly directed and have fantastic visuals, sound direction and animation, while still be able to advance the relationship between the characters.
I still think 5 is the best
5 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 6 > 7 > 8
they're all fine though, even my least favorite episodes have moments I enjoyed. I think I need to stop checking the threads though, started doing it after watching the 5th episode and despite liking some discussions and fanart, I've spoiled myself a lot. Things weren't as exciting as they should've once I already saw the extended previous/pictures.
We give the nips shit for it but we've been doing fanservice for generations.
Since there's no fun, I guess I'II have to wish for some cute interactions between them. Maybe Yayaka having an outburst of emotions and actuaIIy being honest with herseIf and Cocona. Maybe Cocona thinking about the bed taIk she had with Satan Papika and reconsider their reIationship. SadIy I'm not deIusionaI enough for that, but it warms me on the inside.
I found the aIzheimers episode a bit Iacking despite being an emotionaI fag. Last thing I can wish for and actuaI expect is a Papika based episode, where we get to know her story.
6 reminded me of my grandmother whose cognitive abilties kept detereorating and she'd start forgetting about our family members until she died earlier this year. It wasn't the easiest thing to watch.
I actually find slower episodes fun as well, like episode 7. Also it's rare to have an episode about family that is so personal and intimate, dealing with child abuse and the issue of illnesses. The only thing that puzzles me is why would obaa-chan remembering Iro-senpai's name make her become uninterested in art. I thought she would maybe paint less ominous paintings since her past is less sad now.
I'm very sorry, anon. I can only hope she's escaped from the unexpected cruelties of the human life now.
Painting was probably a means of escape for her. Now that she's more social and doesn't have to think about the past, she can expand her horizons without obsessing over one thing.
Will do, but only because I have to go to sleep now. Good night, fl/a/ps.
Is this QUALITY?
But obaa-chan encouraged her artistic talent though, especially her unique style.
Papika is the perfect husbando (female).
What the fuck. I'm taking a break after this episode.
The Japanese having a word for a specific sexual act is not really surprising.
My understanding is that the culture has been highly sexually liberal relative to other cultures since ancient times.
That translator looks way better than mine.
I have a crush on a rabbit.
>that insert song
Hahahaha holy fuck this episode. I'm having the time of my life.
why is Yayaka such a fucking badass
Late to the party but just finished episode 8. Hype. I loved Occhan.
So are we getting a hint about Pure Illusion being based on people in the real world's fantasies and creative impulses? It flashed back to this painting when Occhan was talking about how the world was "his creation."
Did she mean "I don't know how to take it off," or "I absolutely must not take it off?"
I'll be disappointed if there's no two-on-two showdown between the spandex twins and CocoPapi.
Papika is absolutely capable of being embarrassed.
You're just as bad you stupid faggot. Autistically shutting down every bit of discussion that involves even the slightest amount of inference is equally aspergers as forcing things that aren't there. There's room for people to chill and enjoy the comfy as well as the people who want to make up some bullshit. Kill yourself you dumb cunt.