Vinland Saga 133

Are we getting Historie next month now that v10 is just two months away from release?

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>>150153941
Maybe, I'm not sure.

I stopped during the farming arc. Is it good now?

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>>150154259
No, it's terrible. Stay far away.

>>150154259
no it turned into generic shounen with poorly done moralfaggotry

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>>150154341
>psh

>>150154288
>>150154304
Thanks. But it looks like he's out of the farm.

Which farming arc is better this one or Vagabond?

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>>150154437
They're both equally shit.

>>150154443
Why is Thorkell so moe?

>>150154399
I feel bad for these poor bastards, grunts are always get knocked out.

>>150154399

So when will she hatefuck him?

>>150153644
Thanks man i was thinking about how there wasn't a single Vagabond chapter this year, this is just what i needed desu.

Can I get a link?

>>150154796
T-Thorkell...

>>150154730
Thorkell could behead him in one bite.

>>150154855
That's a weird looking warhammer.

>>150154855
That's a cool as fuck outfit.

>>150154855
What kind of hammer it is?

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>>150155009
Yeah, it's not exactly a historical design. I don't ever recall vikings even using warhammers, since that was something that became more popular with the rise of better plate or partially plated armour.

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>>150155114
Hox, Hox, what do you think about this?

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>>150155114
Same applies to Vagn's odd single piece helmet. Looks more like something out of LotR.

>>150153644
Thanks Hox, you da real mvp

>>150155213
For some reason i thought it could have been my man Full Eyes going crazy.

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Unfortunately, it's a short chapter this month and this is the last page. Link for full chap: https://www.sendspace.com/file/4gw1yh

>>150155185
Sorry but no. I have too much stuff on my plate right now.

>>150155213
>Hey i was created to be killed by Hilde

>>150155435
>kilde by hilde

>>150155335
Isn't this McEdge guy supposed to be around Floki at the moment?

>>150155335
Thank you. I wonder where Thorfinn is going to drop those slaves off if he manage to get them away from the battle, there's no way he would bring all of them along.

>main character has become so pathetic that the author has to give the side characters more and more attention

It'll be cancelled mid-year in 2017. Meanwhile, someone call me when a new Ravages of Time drops.

>>150154796
There it is folks, Thorkell death incoming.

>>150155335
Thanks hox.

>>150155335
My thanks, senpai.

>>150155638
Well, he's heading to make his own paradise on earth. It stands to reason he'd need a bunch of women.

>>150155335
Who is he again?

>>150157391
New character introduced just 2 chapters ago. Works as a bodyguard/assassin for Floki.

>>150157391
He's Floki's grandson bodyguard.

>>150154730
I pity this guy, hopefully he gets away, bonus if it was done hilariously.

>>150154940
>>150154969
Top tier spy work. Nothing suspicious here.

>>150154940
Literally the worst infiltrator so far.

Thanks for the chapter Hox.

Cheers for the chapter.

>Edgy assassin
Hopefully he gets killed off soon.

Wait..at the end,the way the hammer guy looked behind him...does that mean the other too are coming at him or at the spy? wat yall think?

>>150160419
yeah, it looks like Floki has had a small group infiltrate ahead of Thorkell. My bet is that Thorkell doesn't know about this and he was sent as the distraction.

>>150154006
I want to fuck Baldr

>>150160419
At him. They're with the spy.

The spy was talking to his comrades about "the back", and then when the spy was busted and removed his disguise, so too did the guys hiding behind the chief.

>>150155335
Hate how shit this story has become and how MC thinks he can take all these slaves with him when food and water supplies were originally meant for less than 6 people on their ship but I guess Plot Armor once again saves the day.

>>150161088
He's probably not planning to take them all the way to fucking Greece as that would make no sense, you idiot. He's just gonna find a boat to get them off the island where they're getting gangraped.

>>150161088
You're assuming Thorfinn is going to succeed.

>>150160419
>...

>>150155335
Thanks as always Hox.

Thank you

Hox, suppose I can't get anyone interested in an older series, know a decent translators to hire? I know there's hentai translators but pretty sure most don't do regular manga

>>150153644
happy Thanksgiving and god bless Hox

>>150155213
do we really need to ruin the atmosphere with this edgy faggot...

>>150163839
Sorry, I don't really know any other translators in general. I'm fairly isolated from the greater scanlation community at large.

>>150155335
Tokuchi Toua's ancestor right here.

>>150153644
A manga about vikings? I need this

>>150164328
Thanks man, as always great job, this chapter was such a tease though.

>>150164639
Oh man, you are up for alot of fun, pre-Askeladd Vinland Saga is literally up there with Berserk and Kingdom among the best seinen manga.

>>150164639
how new are you? read this shit. its good until you get to farmland saga.

>>150163839
Hyouge Mono guy does commissions, that's all I know.

>>150155335
I really wish Vagn would exceed expectations and kill this faggot, but it's not going to happen

>>150164986
>pre-Askeladd Vinland Saga is literally up there with Berserk and Kingdom among the best seinen manga
I'm assuming you've read like 20 seinen manga? Especially with Kingdom in there, come on.

>>150164986
But Askeladd is there from the start.

>>150165132
But the farm arc is comfy..

>>150164986
>pre-Askeladd Vinland Saga is literally up there with Berserk and Kingdom among the best seinen manga.
Wat, Askeladd has been there since the start. The political arc is pretty good too (if that's what you meant by "post-askeladd"). Is your criteria in determining the "best seinen manga" only consists of the amount of violence and suffering it depicts?

>>150165509
I think Vagn will get to show his badassery by killing the other two spies in one swing and then proceed to push the spear dude's (forgot his name) shit in. But spear dude will still get to show his skills by holding out long enough until Thorkell's army arrives to save his ass

>>150165726
Thorkell's waiting for Vagn out in the sea. He's not even aware of this spy bullshit.

>>150155335
Based Hox.

>>150155335
Thanks lad

>>150161088
They are the food supplies. Now his ship can go sailing for months.

>>150153644
Kind of off topic but does anyone know what the hell happened to the Ad Astra translations

>>150155185
where is that from anyway?

>>150167317
Nobunaga no Shinobi. There's a short adaption airing this season.

>>150165768
Yes, but with Vagn locked down fighting the spear dude sure enough he can't lead his troops and they will be pushed back to shore by thorkell's forces

>>150155185
>>150167776
Not him but can you link me the rest of the raws? Looks nice

>>150168077
Just google 信長の忍び and raw, the links are all over the place since there's only DDL links.

>>150154730
I love how Sigurd's servants don't take him seriously and just try and go with the flow and stay out of trouble.

>>150168127
>the links are all over the place
They all seem to be dead
No torrent?

>>150168283
The one on zip-rar are still working for me. Aye, no torrent.

>>150164986
Kingdom is kind of shitty when you realize that it whitewashes Xin (who was mediocre as a general and hardly a 'great general of the heavens'). Also it pisses me off that Wang Qi (Ouki) is somehow the greatest of the period generals when Bai Qi (Hakuki) is generally considered to be head and shoulders above everyone else but Li Mu (Riboku).

>>150154751
Soon™

>tfw Baldr will most likely join the comfy boat party

>>150155335
>Unfortunately, it's a short chapter
Does Vinland saga has any other kind?

Thanks for the hard work.

>>150154486
>>150154576
tiny manlet holding a custom made barrel-size mug
Shouldn't be amazed considering he punched a fucking horse but goddamn is he a big guy.

I want my farm back. What the fuck happened to this? No way he's avoiding a fight now.

>>150170350
He hasn't killed anyone since farm arc. If anything, he might even start preaching non-violent solution to everyone.

>>150155335
Thanks Hox

>>150170476
I hope not
He's basically gone from one type of retarded to the other type of retarded

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>>150154486
>They're both equally shit.

>>150155335
Thanks.

What else is Hox working on apart from Vinland, Gambling emporer and Historie?
Has he dropped Wombs?

>>150170941
>Wombs
...excuse me

>>150171181

What do you even mean?
Can you please stop using ellipses?

>>150171237
>What do you even mean?
I was just commenting on how strange-sounding of a name that was.

>Can you please stop using ellipses?
>am I fitting in yet
The usage of ellipses itself isn't the problem, it's...when people do...this...and they just refuse to...type properly...
I don't think I used it too cancerously there.

>>150171276
>I don't think I used it too cancerously there
You did. No one could have understood what you meant there.

>am I fitting in yet
I asked you rather politely too..

>>150171365
not him but I did

>>150171365
>no one could've understood what you meant there
I thought it was pretty obvious, a moment of silence followed by "excuse me?" usually indicates confusion.

>politely
sorry.

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Nice, thanks for the chapter

>>150171397
>I thought it was pretty obvious, a moment of silence followed by "excuse me?" usually indicates confusion.

That confusion and pause are conveyed when you're actually having a verbal conversation. That's hardly what it reads like in text.
Next time type the whole thing out. Or don't, fuck you.

>>150155335
Thanks for the chapter, Hox.

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>>150154796
>that warm smile

D-doushio...

>>150154796
Thorkell is fucking amazing

>>150171508
>That's hardly what it reads like in text.
Not that guy, but that's what it would read like if he didn't forget his question mark.

>>150169083
for what purpose lel? party fuccboi?

>>150154855
>oversized impractical hammer
I expect nothing less from a "historical" manga

>>150173799
You could argue that as it's an adaption of 'vinlandsaga', you wouldn't expect it to be 100% accurate as it's still just a saga, not an actual written historical record.

>>150173848
True..

>>150155659
>It'll be cancelled mid-year in 2017. Meanwhile, someone call me when a new Ravages of Time drops.
How do you manage to post with Liu Bei's cock up your throat 24/7?

Thanks Hox.

I hope Baldr will survive and >>150169083
>>150171937

>>150174340
Liu Bei is the worst fucking character ever
Chen Gong is still the most based fucking lad.

>>150155335
so something will finally happen in farmland saga, great

>>150153644
almost missed it.
bump

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>>150170941
No, I'm still working on Wombs. I've just been busy which is why the releases are slow as of late. I'm also working on Soil and have 3 other new projects I'm planning on starting in December and January.

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>>150177146
I also recently wrapped up Yakeppachi no Maria. If anyone's a Tezuka fan here, you should give it a go to get a more rounded idea of his career. He's done some really zany shit, in addition to his typical stuff aimed for kids like Astro Boy or his seinen/gekiga works (MW). It's only 2 volumes long.

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>>150165768
>Thorkell waiting for Vagn
>never comes because Edgemeister killed him and the camp's in disarray
>Thorfinn and Hilde float by in a boat fulla hoes
>sup thorkell, sup thorfinn, you seen vagn, nah, later
>Thorkell just sitting on his boat waiting
>waiting

>>150170476
>He hasn't killed anyone since farm arc.
Those two Vikings he just punched are going to have a bad time even if they've survived it. Getting your head knocked around isn't safe.

>>150153644
I find it funny it took like 7 years or so years until the story had anything to do with the title.

>>150173799
>that horse punch
>actually, everything about Thorkell except him existing
Yukimura's throwing us fun things to go with the accurate rape and helmets.

>>150177679
Vagn won't die. He's the next Jomsviking chief.

>>150177967
>implying the Jomsvikings get another chief
They were lost from history for a reason. Cycle of violence is going to do them in, probably Canute too.

>>150153644
I really hate how everyone in this manga is blonde. Seriously, there should be more variety in hair colors seeing as this is a manga. Blonde is boring, generic, and not very good looking.

>>150173799
>arguing about historical accuracy in a thousand-year-old minstrel's song in a society where people believed menstrual blood was magic
If you want 'historical accuracy' go make a manga about a bunch of old men arguing about what Jesus had for breakfast the day he was crucified. See if anyone buys it.

>>150154730
jesus thorkell's head is gigantic

>>150178419
It's fucking Scandinavian. Before sandnigger rape-waves. That's what they look like.

>>150178419
>scandinavia

>>150155335
Is this guy Finnish or something? He looks Asiatic.

>>150154663
>>150154730
>>150154796
>Sigurd is going to find Thorfinn and give chase again
What an exciting development.

>>150178565
>>150178632
Scandinavia isn't blonde. Google images of Stockholm you'll see that most of people there have brown hair. Also, this is historical fiction, meaning it can easily get away with including more hair colors. There's no reason not to do that.

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>>150173799
Yeah he should just get a spear it's way more practical.

>>150168870
Kingdom is a middling manga, but "it's kind of shitty when you realize that it's not historically accurate" is a pretty dumb way to approach stories.

>>150177146
>>150177271
Please tell me this is just an oversight and that you haven't dropped Sutakola.

>>150164030
Are you retarded or something? He literally says the same thing Thorfinn did, it's a set up for his future battle.

>>150177146
>>150177271

Of fuck, I forgot you were doing soil. Thank you so much for it and everything else.
How can we repay your services?

>>150178419
>hair color
>boring, generic
Jesus Christ, anon. If we're maintaining any semblance of realism, and it's not set in Ireland, then pretty much everyone's hair color is going to be "boring and generic."

>>150178736
There's also no reason to do that, it's literally just preference.
Go be butthurt somewhere else, the only other colors possible are brown and black with maybe one redhead. You dislike blond characters. Okay, we get it.

>>150178811
It's not really being historically accurate, I just hate Shin in particular and the weird shuffle with the ranking of the previous generation of generals.

>>150178419
Skin color too, I don't think I've seen one black or brown person. Hopefully that will change once they reach Greece.

>>150179105
Take your emoticons and fuck off to /pol/.

>>150178419
everything is in fucking grayscale

>>150155659
>when a new Ravages of Time drops.

Wouldn't we have better luck asking Hox to scanlate it? He knows Chinese right?

>>150179123
Well in Greece there's probably going to be traders from all over the fucking place, including Egypt and Arabland and Persia and Russia and North Africa.

>>150177997
>probably Canute too.

You sound like someone who doesn't even know history.

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>>150179123
He didn't really color them, but I'm pretty sure these aren't white people.

>>150178811
Oh right of course. I'd never drop a Katou Shinkichi work. It's just I don't have raws for the other volumes yet, but there'll be more releases on that next year.

>>150179271
Traders from NA or Hispania probably

>>150178419
But Vagn has dark hair in this very chapter, so do Sigurd and Sigrun.

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>>150179271

>>150179292
Is there anything else you're interested/reading right now?

>>150179292
Good to hear, thanks. I can't say I really get half of what's happening, but it's cool as fuck.

>>150179208
I meant "Canute is going to help the cycle of violence do in the Jomsvikings."

>>150168870
That's wrong though, Riboku merely emulated what Renpa did against Hakuki, which is stall with defense until the attackers started having logistic problems before a timely counter attack. Ousen then learned from Riboku and did the same shit.

The only difference between any of the 4 great generals who are always considered as the best 4 of that era are that two come from the winners and the other two come from the losers but only lost due to being devoured on the political front which you can argue is still part of warfare.

>>150179369
Manga-wise? Not really. It's hard to have enough free time to search out new manga when I'm already either translating or reading books in my spare time.

I already have a good list of future projects I want to do so I'm not all that motivated to find new manga right now.

>>150179374
Yeah, the story will get a lot more coherent in the later volumes from what I hear. The first volume was all about the set-up, really.

>>150179445
I don't see how you're disagreeing with me. Bai Qi is considered to be head and shoulders above everyone EXCEPT Li Mu, Wang Jian, and Lian Po. Wang Qi was a big deal but he wasn't the greatest of the Qin generals during that time by a long shot.
Li Mu and Lian Po...had a hard life...

>>150179592
>Bai Qi, Li Mu, Wang Jian, and Lian Po. Wang Qi
Chinese names are so confusing.

>>150179852
>Chinese names are so confusing.
How are they any more confusing than the Japanese names
At least you can look the Chinese ones up, nobody lists 'Hakuki' for 'Bai Qi'.
Those are Hakuki, Riboku, Ousen, Renpa, Ouki in that order.

>>150179903
Japanese names sound nicer because the Japanese language is more aesthetically pleasing.

>>150179903
Japanese names are longer, giving you more to remember/differentiate. Meanwhile Chinese names are 2-3 letters and they all end up getting mixed together in my mind.

>>150179986
I dropped Ravages of Time because they arr started to rook the same to me.

>>150179945
That's not 'confusing', that's personal taste. I don't necessarily disagree, but you should also remember that Mandarin is a bastardized Manchushit version of Ming Chinese.

>>150179986
Well, you could learn the kanji for them if you wanted.
I usually use the Chinese names when talking about the historical figure and the Japanese name when talking about the manga, mainly because you can actually look the Chinese name up. It'd be pretty shitty to call Cao Cao Sousou, it even loses the few tonations left in Mandarin.

>>150180032
Sun [?] would just be Son whatever and Sima [?] is just Shiba [?]. I don't think they're much harder to remember, there's just too many of them. If you were interested in period history (which Ravages kind of presupposes you know), you'd have no trouble at all since you'd know 90% of the characters.

>>150179592
I disagreed with you because you failed to mention the other two. Also most historical series are white washing, you're basically just crying that it's not a biography.

I mean historical accuracy is a slippery slope to begin with, you bitch about one thing, then it's gonna lead to the next, then the next. Who has the authority to say when to stop? You? That's just your shit taste vs the author or some other anon.

And if you think just going by the recorded history to the exact word is fine, then let me remind you that glaives and all that shit didn't even exist back then, and that Qin was mowing down everyone just by cross bow spamming like some Terran faggot going 9 rax and just pumping marines all day. The very fact that Li Mu and Lian Po both relied on basically trench warfare along with walling up and hiding behind cover hoping to exhaust the nearly infinite supply of bolts Qin was producing (I mean they just shaved wooden tips not hard when you conquer more land) already tells what a boring reality it is.

Kingdom sells like crazy, and is the best selling series in it's published magazine and is a favorite even among the industry professionals themselves. What other manga literally has hundreds of people many of them from said industry themselves pitch in for fucking fun just to redraw a volume with everyone getting one panel each?

>>150180032
Nigger why do you even care what they look like? If they matter you'll see them enough to remember who they are, if not they die real fast.

And to begin with, their designs always have unique armor or hair or facial accessories. The guy even draws random ass mooks with different looking gear. I don't know any other manga that has literal whos that you never even learn their names before they get killed having fucking unique armor designs.

Are you sure you're not just someone with terrible memory?

>>150181998
I don't like Kingdom because it dehypes characters that I have a historical boner for and hypes characters I don't really like. It is really that simple.

>whitewashing
>most are whitewashing therefore it's a good thing
No. Shin is pretty fucking obnoxious about it, to boot.

>>150180096
>It'd be pretty shitty to call Cao Cao Sousou, it even loses the few tonations left in Mandarin.

That's just autistic man, people just go by the names given by how the series goes.

Lemme ask you something, do you fucking refer to Ikkitousen characters by their Chinese names? Cause if you literally called a sailor school outfit mini skirt wearing tanned chick with a glaive as Guan Yu instead of Kanu, I'm gonna have to question how fucked up your sexual fetishes are. How many people would identify Yuan Dang He as a girl's name compared to Yotanwa? Obviously not a lot cause the former is a name for a fucking man.

That's just common sense. It's like if a fictional work has the characters called Sera but then this autistic faggot goes "It's Sarah dumbass", you gotta wonder what's wrong with his head.

Basically the main point is, a character's name regardless of historical or not, should be mainly based on how the author envisions it to be read and pronounced. Cause it's his fucking work and maybe it's designed to be that way. Not saying it always is, but sometimes it is.

Imagine if Souten Kouro was dubbed in chink. Do you know how retarded that would sound? Mandarin is too wussy and feminine and Cantonese is too coarse and snarky to ever do the retarded over the top SOU SOUUUUUUUUUUUUU by those crazy ass giant niggers riding chug horses that make Kingdom look realistic while they DBZ it up.

>>150182563
>Lemme ask you something, do you fucking refer to Ikkitousen characters by their Chinese names
No because it doesn't even pretend to talk about history so there would never be a case for me to call Ryoufu Lu Bu because nobody cares about Lu Bu.
If I'm talking about Yotanwa's actions in the story, I'm going to call her by what she is within the fucking story. If I am talking about Yuan Dang He's historical person and what he did in real life, I am going to call him by the name you'd be able to fucking find on wikipedia. If I said 'Hakuki killed people at Chouhei', it'd be much fucking harder to look up either Hakuki or Chouhei because nowhere fucking lists it that way. Even in >>150168870, I specified which was which besides Xin who I forgot to write down was Shin. You have literally 0 reason to object beyond you evidently being incredibly butthurt about Chinese as a language.

>Imagine if Souten Kouro was dubbed in chink. Do you know how retarded that would sound? Mandarin is too wussy and feminine and Cantonese is too coarse and snarky to ever do the retarded over the top SOU SOUUUUUUUUUUUUU by those crazy ass giant niggers riding chug horses that make Kingdom look realistic while they DBZ it up.
I have no fucking idea what you're talking about anymore or how it's at all relevant, but realize that Middle Chinese is a different beast from both versions of modern Chinese, and that which one sounds better was never the question. If you hate how Chinese sounds, that is an opinion, and irrelevant, because I don't give a shit about your opinion, enjoy your own taste whether or not I agree - hint: I do, my first post on this topic said 'I don't necessarily disagree'.

>I'm gonna have to question how fucked up your sexual fetishes are
A name is a fucking name. Yotanwa still fucking refers to a man, since it's literally just how the Japanese refer to Yuan Dang He. Just because Ryoufu is a girl in Ikkitousen doesn't mean nips don't think of Lv Bu first.

>>150182152
>it dehypes characters that I have a historical boner for

Are you retarded or something?

Hakuki isn't mentioned because obviously Kingdom is white washing and paints Qin as good goys so how can a man who killed 400k+ surrendered troops get constantly plastered in the manga? Renpa even points out that if it were based on opponents, Hakuki is #1 most difficult. It's merely that characters like Ouki and Kyou made their blood boil more because obviously the battles weren't as one sided as Hakuki who just baits everyone into muh cross bows.

Riboku is already the series antagonist and big boss for the most part, and the only time he lost was because of the stars aligning full of coincidences not to mention fucking Yotanwa (the only character to tie Riboku in overall stats, only Renpa is higher than both of them) was part of the final blow during the coalition arc.

Renpa basically almost won a war with his stooges while using a wussy army against 2 top tier generals and 3 future big shot generals and 1 failure that is Shin. All while having not fought in battle for years.

And I don't even see how Ousen isn't hyped up, he even has inkling foreshadowing or red herring of being the final boss. He's just not allowed to overshadow Riboku right now cause historically he doesn't become the top man until after Riboku kicks the bucket.

>>150183033
>A name is a fucking name.

Are your ears broken or something? By that logic metrosexual names like Leslie wouldn't matter, but it's pretty much accepted that it's feminine sounding and would fit a girl more than a guy.

It has nothing to do with technicality it's just how it enters your ears, and the point is that Yotanwa sounds girlier by a fair margin than Yuan Dang He.

Maybe you need to watch Zeta Gundam or something if you don't understand. No matter what anyone says, Kamille is a girl's name.

And I have no hate for chink language, it has it's own strengths that the 1000 folded nip language fails to express whether it's the feminine Mandarin or the funny Cantonese. That's just how it is.

There's a reason 99% of Chinese music by modern artists fall into a very small selection of genres and basically all sound the same, it's cause that's the strength of the language and it's good at it.

>>150183165
I'll use the Japanese names so he doesn't get triggered.

I didn't specify Ousen and Riboku as not hyped up, I was mainly talking about Hakuki. Sure, it makes sense within metacontext, but he's like an idol general for me during that period.
I also don't really like Shin either as a character or as a historical general, which detracts quite a bit.

If you want objective reasons outside of history, I think that one of the biggest problems with Kingdom is that it makes the gap between high and low too big, then snaps it back down because it's grounded in history after all.
Example - that sword dude in the early chapters who sliced mountain tribe dudes clean in half. The gap between the powerful and the weak is vast. Then you have Shin fighting with him on equal terms somehow as a kid.
Well okay, let's just say that Shin's talented. There's a bigger problem that comes from the gap though.
There's the disjunction that you feel with units like Hi Shin or Gyoku just ripping right through levy soldiers hundreds at a time and that spear dude getting like five kills in one panel, and the big-scale stuff like having tactics be a huge deal or Earl whatever having 100+ kills as impressive, which feels off despite it being realistic because Shin has killed dozens at least at this point on screen, let alone off it. One of the biggest examples I can think of is Houken being presented as mowing down entire units with one swing but somehow being unable to siege the city on his own.
It also has 'Climatic' battles with duelling generals, which kind of detracts in my opinion, because it doesn't really work with the whole tactical angle they generally go for in large battles. I mean it sort of feels like Ouki or Moubu could've killed the entire army on their own. I get that it's to make 'hype', but it just makes a sort-of headscratcher to me.

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>>150183476
>It has nothing to do with technicality it's just how it enters your ears
Yeah sure, that's why there are male names in Persia that are female in Europe right.

>No matter what anyone says, Kamille is a girl's name.
Is the holder a girl? Yeah? It's a girl's name. If there's a guy named Kamille, then that's also a guy's name, if unorthodox-sounding.
There's no such thing as a heaven-sent 'girl's name' or 'boy's name'. I mean shit like Banu is a girl's name in Persia, and Mirza is a boy's name. I don't really think it fits well.

This is getting really off topic. Mind telling me what the original beef you had with me using the Chinese names for ease of reference if people cared enough was?

>>150183585
>I was mainly talking about Hakuki. Sure, it makes sense within metacontext, but he's like an idol general for me during that period.

And yet you didn't point out how fucking Kyou somehow managed to conquer 99 castles while Bai Qi only managed like 74~ or some shit? Where's your devotion to your idol in your post?

>I also don't really like Shin either as a character or as a historical general, which detracts quite a bit.

So you admit you're just letting your personal butthurt get in the way of logical story telling. Ask yourself this, what ups and downs would the story have if Bai Qi or Wang Jian was the main character? There wouldn't be any besides Bai Qi getting a total downer ending which is obviously a no go.

Li Xin gets the role of MC because he's the guy who made the biggest fuck up and that makes it exciting, and he also gets a valid excuse at being a bulldozer who doesn't pay attention to his ass. If you can't even put aside your unhealthy bias with history to enjoy a well crafted story adaptation then I don't know what to say. It's like bitching at Disney's Little Mermaid because Ariel got a happy ending instead of your beloved Aesop Fable's where she turns into sea foam.

>>150183958
>And yet you didn't point out how fucking Kyou somehow managed to conquer 99 castles while Bai Qi only managed like 74~ or some shit? Where's your devotion to your idol in your post?
I didn't point that out because Kyou is just pure bullshit to begin with.

>So you admit you're just letting your personal butthurt get in the way of logical story telling
I did present another reason yes.

>It's like bitching at Disney's Little Mermaid because Ariel got a happy ending instead of your beloved Aesop Fable's where she turns into sea foam
There's actually logic to that, a different logic, but logic nonetheless. A very poor choice to show me being retarded.

>There wouldn't be any besides Bai Qi getting a total downer ending which is obviously a no go.
>downer endings are no gos
>everything must have happy endings
According to you Hamlet, R&J, and Great Gatsby are complete trash, and you think that Great Expectations is suddenly saved by the happy edited ending. End yourself.

>>150183585
>Example - that sword dude in the early chapters who sliced mountain tribe dudes clean in half. The gap between the powerful and the weak is vast. Then you have Shin fighting with him on equal terms somehow as a kid.

That mountain dude would have been one shot by Shin anyways the fuck? Even the stone hammer guy got sent flying with one punch.

>There's the disjunction that you feel with units like Hi Shin or Gyoku just ripping right through levy soldiers hundreds at a time and that spear dude getting like five kills in one panel

Spear dude? Who? Ouhon? That's not impressive, Earl Shi took out like 8 guys while Duke Hyou and Ouki take out 20.

>and the big-scale stuff like having tactics be a huge deal or Earl whatever having 100+ kills as impressive, which feels off despite it being realistic because Shin has killed dozens at least at this point on screen, let alone off it.

This complaint doesn't even make sense, who is this Earl? The only 100 kills I remember is that pig from Renpa's gang and he killed 100 commanders, not random ass people. If you're gonna argue numbers you gotta be specific with your samples or it's just gonna look like you have a faulty memory.

>One of the biggest examples I can think of is Houken being presented as mowing down entire units with one swing but somehow being unable to siege the city on his own.

Wait hold up, did you not read the omakes or something? We already know what happens if Houken sieges a city by himself, he gets stuck on the wall part. Second, when the fuck was it implied he couldn't siege a city? Do you think that guy who has ancient chink chuunibyou with his talking with the heavens crap would actually let himself be used just to take over castles? He ideally wants to fight fair and square.

>>150184329
>Spear dude? Who? Ouhon? That's not impressive, Earl Shi took out like 8 guys while Duke Hyou and Ouki take out 20.
That's my point, it doesn't mesh well with the idea that you can't just literally break through the lines on your own.

>what Earl
Earl Shi, his backstory mentioned that he had 100+ kills by the time he was adopted or some shit.

>Wait hold up, did you not read the omakes or something? We already know what happens if Houken sieges a city by himself, he gets stuck on the wall part
Which is obviously a joke.

>Second, when the fuck was it implied he couldn't siege a city?
The part where people told him that 'even if it was him', he's just dead meat at Sai once Yontanwa joined up. Do you not remember?

>>150184143
>I didn't point that out because Kyou is just pure bullshit to begin with.

It tells me you're not even trying to discuss just vent and bitch like an SJW on tumblr. If you can't even properly lead with the strong evidence for lolrandom reasons then shut the fuck up.

>There's actually logic to that, a different logic, but logic nonetheless. A very poor choice to show me being retarded.

What? Are you so dense you don't understand? Disney Classics are not widely acclaimed because they tell stories of Aesop Fables you mongoloid. They could have told random ass stories all the same and it'd still be as popular as today. Do you actually think The Lion King was an Aesop Fable? When the fuck did Aesop go to Africa?

>According to you Hamlet, R&J, and Great Gatsby are complete trash, and you think that Great Expectations is suddenly saved by the happy edited ending. End yourself.

Look at this dumb nigger, you take everything out of context just so you can argue some more. I'm talking about being published in a fucking magazine called Young Jump aimed at readers that buy their shit, not catering to you autists who cite old classics like they are infallible sacred bible text. I've said this hours ago but no one cares about your shit taste more than anyone else, so stop acting elitist.

>>150184453
>That's my point, it doesn't mesh well with the idea that you can't just literally break through the lines on your own.

Do you know what fatigue is? Did you not read the part about Duke Hyou and his guys? Even as super human as the story is, Hara does put work on making it consistent within his own little story. I'm starting to think you don't actually read cause your bias makes you skip entire pages.

>Earl Shi, his backstory mentioned that he had 100+ kills by the time he was adopted or some shit.

And he was Shin's age back then. How is that not impressive? Because Shin is better? Well no shit Shin is better, he's the MC. How many people could beat Shin in a fight in his generation? Oh right Kyou Kai.

>Which is obviously a joke.

Are you seriously saying Houken by himself would just magically scale a wall while countless arrows fire at him? Or are you saying his glaive is made of adamantite? Even if he can kill them all how do you expect him to get inside? If he solos it they can just knock the ladder off.

>The part where people told him that 'even if it was him', he's just dead meat at Sai once Yontanwa joined up. Do you not remember?

Yeah because sieges are counted as taking over a base while an army roughly the same size as yours comes for your ass from the side right? Is that how sieges work for you? Which side is the one being sieged again?

You're clearly losing your edge, you're making statements that shouldn't even be made that even an idiot would understand doesn't make sense. Go to bed retard.

>>150184558
>It tells me you're not even trying to discuss just vent and bitch like an SJW on tumblr.
Quite like yourself, as my original post had just about no bitching and just noted that it was weird how Ouki was presented as a big deal compared to the other ''six''.

>If you can't even properly lead with the strong evidence for lolrandom reasons then shut the fuck up.
How about you do the same? I didn't care too much about Kyou, she amounted to a fucking throwaway to make Ouki mad as fuck after all.

>What? Are you so dense you don't understand? Disney Classics are not widely acclaimed because they tell stories of Aesop Fables you mongoloid. They could have told random ass stories all the same and it'd still be as popular as today. Do you actually think The Lion King was an Aesop Fable? When the fuck did Aesop go to Africa?
Completely irrelevant, of course it's not popular because of the Fables your average kid has never heard of them. Kingdom isn't popular because of the history, I never asked it to conform exactly. I mentioned a person bias and you exploded.

>Look at this dumb nigger, you take everything out of context just so you can argue some more. I'm talking about being published in a fucking magazine called Young Jump aimed at readers that buy their shit, not catering to you autists who cite old classics like they are infallible sacred bible text
>it is the 'as long as it it sells it must be a great story' argument
I understand why they chose Shin. I understand why they do what they did. That doesn't fucking mean I need to immediately like it. I mean fuck, Naruto is trash, we can agree on that at least I think, but Sasuke is immensly popular and wanking him some and redeeming him with yeah sorry makes more sense from a business point of view than killing his ass, despite what we might or might not want.

Ok, I realize this is probably just me, but this Hild wench needs to fuck off ASAP, she only drags Thorfin down and shes generally just an awful character. In fact, every character in Thorfin's new party sucks save for Leif and Einar.

>>150184836
>Do you know what fatigue is? Did you not read the part about Duke Hyou and his guys? Even as super human as the story is, Hara does put work on making it consistent within his own little story. I'm starting to think you don't actually read cause your bias makes you skip entire pages.
I don't really know what fatigue you're talking about when you consider that the only problem Duke Hyou's guys run into is morale from getting sandwiched and Ouki didn't seem at all tired during his fight with Houken right up until he got shot with the arrow.

>And he was Shin's age back then. How is that not impressive?
Because people kill tens in a single battle. Kyoukai killed what, two dozen just in that assassination night at least? Yeah okay, Kyoukai is a monster, but it's less than impressive SOUNDING when we've been seeing mooks drop like fucking flies.

>Are you seriously saying Houken by himself would just magically scale a wall while countless arrows fire at him? Or are you saying his glaive is made of adamantite? Even if he can kill them all how do you expect him to get inside? If he solos it they can just knock the ladder off.
Just like he magically blocks dozens of Qin crossbows and deflects 30 dudes chucking spears at him right

>Yeah because sieges are counted as taking over a base while an army roughly the same size as yours comes for your ass from the side right? Is that how sieges work for you? Which side is the one being sieged again?
City assaults are much more dangerous than simply getting pincered by another army, and Houken has demonstrated repeatedly that he blows through army camps like a janitor blows through hot pockets. Are you even thinking? He doesn't even have the ladder problem anymore he just needs to go insane in there.

>>150184941
What's wrong with Hild, I feel like she's a good thing because she's basically a reminder of his past and this arc seems to be about the idea that you can't just throw it all away and start over.

>>150185190
Thorfin is ALWAYS chased by his past,which is precisely what this arc is about, he went through the entirety of farmland saga and he stills has nightmares about his past. If her main role is being a living memento of Thorfinn's past deeds, then she is redundant .She was fine as one-off character,but her continued presence is not really needed, also she is absolutely boring to me.

>>150153644
Hox have my babies

>>150185504
I mean, I guess? My point is that here might be the part where he'll manage to come to terms with his past, not simply running away and never being violent again because sometimes you have to be, but realizing that he's not a peaceful person, he's a warrior, and he should accept that and play to his strengths while keeping with his dream.
I mean it'd be pretty bad if he got kicked out of Vinland not because he realized it wasn't free of conflict but because he refused to fight the natives who attacked him.

>>150179158
I've asked Hox to in one of these threads. He says he doesn't have time.

I think it's sad he dedicates time to this sub-par manga when he could be translating the best manhua on print today, but to each their own.

>>150185591
I don't speak Chinese.

>>150185562
I'm fine with that, ultimately you can surmise Thorfinn will keep dealing with his antagonists in a non-lethal manner until he can reach a point of mutual understanding once he reaches Vinland. But my point is that he doesn't need Hild constantly pointing an arrow at him to reach this resolution, he already went through a painstakingly charcater arc for that.

>>150185902
>he can reach a point of mutual understanding once he reaches Vinland
You realize he gets kicked off Vinland by angry natives right

>>150185845
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat? Damn. Ravages seems like it was made for you, though. That's sad.

>>150185515
He doesn't have time.

>>150184941
She needs to have a spinoff doing girl viking things with Sigrun.

>>150185920
That is if the author chooses to go with the not-quite-historically accurate saga, it's not like he hasn't taken many liberties with the details as is. By the way, nobody has given me avalid reason for liking Hild or why she is necessary in the story.

>>150185902
Exactly, it's not about him anymore. He's converted, he knows exactly what his father was trying to do by not fighting, he's Vinland-bound. The problem now is if he can get other people on his side. He's got Einar through friendship, Leif through family, Sigrun through chance, but the only way he's going to get Hilde to follow him is if he can get her to go through the same process of forgiveness he had.

>>150186119
I like her because she's kind of hot and like a puppy.

>>150186125
>he's going to get Hilde to follow him is if he can get her to go through the same process of forgiveness he had.
He doesn't have to take it upon himself to change her mind, if people want to follow his example they will (keep in mind that his group is going to keep adding characters). If the author wants to keep depicting Thorfinn as some kind of redeemed martyr figure, then her continued presence just seems like beating a dead horse, it presents the readers with nothing new.

>>150186486
Of course he won't actively try to change her mind, only gain her forgiveness. Converting Hilde would mean that Thorfinn's not just a redeemed martyr, he's a redeeming savior, like his father who died for him.

I do think she would be a much better character if she had been introduced pre-Farmland. I wonder if Yukimura meant for Einar to be Thorfinn's first convert from the revenge gospel, all the pieces were there.

>>150186486
gives me a boner though. i vote she stays

>>150186239
>like a puppy.
The crew already has an actual puppy and a fucking baby, come to think of it most of Thorfinn's group is a burden rather than any real help.

>>150186619
That's the actual point, that they're nothing but burdens that he has elected to carry because of his beliefs.

>>150186619
Didn't they give the baby away to a family on another island? Thorfinn's merciful but he's not stupid.

>>150186862
Yeah but Gudrid snatched him back or some shit

>>150186574
>Converting Hilde would mean that Thorfinn's not just a redeemed martyr, he's a redeeming savior, like his father who died for him.
That point was clear when Canute had his monologue about Thorfinn and him creating a paradise in their own ways, adding her to the crew just for that is just going through the motions. I would probably welcome her more if she didn't bore me to tears.

I do think she would be a much better character if she had been introduced pre-Farmland.
Now this I can definitely agree with.

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>respeccing from NIN to MNK
I never saw the point in switching from one dps class to another, but whatevs, your subscription Thorfinn.

>>150186644
Bronar, Leif and Not-Thorfinn are absolutely needed (I guess Gudrid too if it follows the saga). The rest are expendable.

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>>150186619
>Thorfinn's group is a burden rather than any real help.

Read the manga.

>>150187057
I know that's the point, but eventually they're all gonna help someway , so why don't actually make the characters interesting in the process?. So far Gudrid's husband story is a million times more interesting than hers for example.

>>150187234
As the first major female character Gudrid was important for developing the theme and world more, like how Einar was our introduction to the slave life.

I kinda agree about Hild thus far, her intro arc dragged on a bit, but it's not as if every character is super involved in the plot right now. Einar, Lief, and Thorfinn 2.0 haven't done shit for ages. What makes them so important?

MC taking away slave women from a better life.

What is wrong with marrying an alpha male who is fit as fuck and wants to remain as fit as fuck for the rest of his life sine he is a warrior?

The Vikings even practiced Divorce Laws unlike other cultures at the time so they could divorce their husbands if they wanted.

MC is a dipshit like always.

>>150188516
This time period was still Heian period in Japan which allowed divorce ACTUALLY

>>150187847
>As the first major female character Gudrid was important for developing the theme and world more
I don't disagree about Gudrid, she was always going to play a part given the source material. So far however, she is not very interesting.

>Einar, Lief, and Thorfinn 2.0 haven't done shit for ages. What makes them so important?
Lief and T2.0 are the only two actual sailors, and Leif is sort of the author's surrogate narrator,who gives cohesion to the story with his Knowledge. Einar promised Thorfinn they would build a terrenal paradise together, plus you don't drag a character through something like farmland saga just to throw him away just because. I swear if Hild or that stupid dog make it to Vinland while Einar doesn't I'm gonna be absolutely pissed.

>>150188914
I wonder if they'll even go to Miklagard. Thorfinn will probably trade all their unicorn horns for some old slave who dies the next day, or Floki's grandson or something.

>>150188516
>so they could divorce their husbands if they wanted.
Nowhere in the history of mankind has ''if they wanted'' been a valid reason for a recognized divorce, until very recently.The Vikings allowed for a divorce in case of mistreatment or adultery among others though.

>>150165625
Yep. That's the edgelord's way of life.

>>150188516
More like alpha male MC hoarding women to possibly increase and have variety in his harem.