Dragonball Super

>>150142502
Both are as crap as Super.

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>>150142502
Vados.

SSGB Cell when?

>>150143079
It might as well be now, because nothing makes sense any more.

>>150142683
I've never been able to find this doujin in english for a reason.

>MANGA MAKES SENSE XDDD BETTER THAN CANON ANIME LMAO
No it doesn't, AFag. If only Mai and Trunks are left, there is literally no reason to stay in the timeline, just grab Mai, leave the empty Universe and let Zamasu enjoy his Universe without Ningens.

You literally can't defend this trash writing, Advertisement non canon fag.

>>150143485
>being this mad
wew lad

>>150142502
aww shiet homies

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>>150143641
>i actually expected something good

>>150143485
Trunks never says anything about saving the timeline in the manga. But they have to defeat Black because he could fuck with other timelines.

>>150143485
>literally dooming an entire universe
>no reason to stay in the timeline
who is to say zamasu doesn't get bored and try to annihilate other universes?

>>150143007
considering their father is a midget with a pretty average looking face, i wonder what their mother looks like

>>150143641
18 is pretty cute t b h

>>150143796
All Black wants is his Universe without Ningens. Just let him be and everyone will be happy. He literally only picked that timeline because Beerus is dead, any other timeline where Beerus is still alive is safe.

>>150143817
He literally said he picked that timeline because Beerus was dead.

>>150144019
killing beerus is as easy as killing the kaioshin

>>150143485
>Toei shills can't read
Shocking

They made it clear in the latest chapter that Black is not only a threat to Trunks' timeline, but he's also a threat to Goku's timeline.

>>150143485
>Hurr hurr let the bad guy win guys!!!!!
Toei shills are retarded.

>>150144074
He knows yet was still not willing to go no any timeline in which the Kaioshin wasn't already dead.

>>150144084
>but he's also a threat to Goku's timeline.
Beerus is alive and awake, he is no threat. He literally said he picked Trunks timeline because Beerus was dead. It's shit writing no matter how you spin it, AFag.

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>>150143007
>space "castration is my kink" jin

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>>150142502
post more 18

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>>150144318
holy fucking shit

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>mfw AFags literally can't defend the Manga shit tier writing anymore

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>>150144318
>Zamasu died for this

do people seriously try to make sense of and justify the DBZ plot post cell-saga?

>>150144318
Arin is a literal cunt eater, lol

>>150144482
>dumbass can't undetstand a kid's show

>>150144532
It's not about failing to understand

It's about failing to suspend disbelief after thinking about it for more than 4 seconds and realizing how illogical the claims are

>>150144019
It would be pretty dumb to let a god who stole a powerful ningen's body and has a time ring run loose like that.

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>>150144318
YAMERO

>>150144318
Oh god,I just had an idea. What if Tao Pai Pai is the one that has to kill Goku? He may be the assassin from the episode description.

>>150144683
>It's not about failing to understand
Sure anon sure.

>>150144731
Ignore the retard.

>>150144773
If you aren't able to see how stupid it is you are the one failing to understand

>>150144318
>>150144318
>>150144318
WHAT WAS THIS

>>150144882
>NO U!!!
Top kek it's ok anon.

>>150144957
use the archive or install 4chanX faggot
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/150142502/#150144318

>>150144731
>bad guy gets his wish in the only timeline he could possibly pull it off even by his own admission
>i-it's dangerous I s-swear
No it's not, read your shit manga you shill so much. Black himself said he picked Trunks timeline because Beerus is dead. He can't fullfill his Ningen Zero plan in any other timeline.

By that logic they should nuke Beerus too because it's too dangerous to have a universe busting cat that gets angry over food.

>>150145108
Will you promise to kill yourself when you're stuck in filler hell while the manga leads ahead with the canon arcs?

broly soon

>>150145261
>tfw this anon will never say hi to you
*SIGH*

>>150145108
>>150145196
Let's end this shit once and for all.
http://www.strawpoll.me/11725650

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Reminder

Manga Goku vs Hit
>lol Beerus sama this guy is so weak
>he is boring me to death just let him use his assassin meme to see if he can at least make this interesting
>welp too bad then Beerus sama I'm done with this weak piece of shit I'm bored so I will forfeit
>this tournament was a waste of time, I can't believe the other Universes are this fucking weak

Anime Hit vs Goku
>holy shit Beerus this guy is strong enough to handle the tecnique I was going to use to beat you, and he is still holding back
>Beerus please let me fight this guy at his full power, I can't wait to see how much stronger he can get
>fuck these 2 cats, Hit, let's forfeit as a fuck you to them, I'm looking forward to fighting you without these bullshit rules

Reminder the only reason Hit won't return in the manga is because literally nobody will get hyped over such a weakling returning.

>>150145405
Timeskip is nothing but pure plot convenience in the anime. Enjoy your filler.

>>150145196
You haven't killed yourself over 2 rushed arcs and you getting BTFO twice now, and you won't in January when you get BTFO again, so why should anyone else?

>>150145366
>>150145366
It should be:
>>>150145366
>Who is the most annoying cunt.
>animefag
>mangafag

>>150145506
i'm still waiting on you to post proof of "saiyan beyond god" fillerfag.

>>150144185
Shut up, pleb.

>>150145505
Timeskip is literally useless in the manga as Hit can already beat anyone that it works on without using it because he has more Ki than them to begin with

Enjoy your non canon advertisement.

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>non-canon

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>>150145730
>Hit can already beat anyone that it works on without using it because he has more Ki than them to begin with
no he literally had to power up and channel a high amount of power level to stop Goku.
He also stated that he can only stop a SSG Goku once when he did it one final time.

I figured out why you're hating on the manga, you're fucking dyslexic.

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>>150144366

>>150145680
I just hope it will shut them both up.
I mean can't you just enjoy both and shut the fuck up, instead of having this constant shitflinging.

>>150145405
>>150143485
>Toei shills this butthurt that the manga is superior to the anime

>>150143468
search for Dragon Ball H by Garland

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>>150145867
it's mostly just one Toeicuck that goes around flaming everyone and calling anyone that disaggres an AFfag.

The big bad in the new arc will not be hit, you doofuses, but the one who hired him.

>>150145833
>didn't beat Goku because he had less Ki
Exactly. It's useless against anyone who can beat him to begin with.

You are hating on the anime because you are a contrarian hipster that enjoys shitting up threads.

>>150146080
You can't judge Hit's true potential in either mediums because he's an assassination that participated in a non lethal tournament.
Nothing you say holds merit because you lack reasoning.

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Manga version really isnt that good.
They found out who black is in one chapter.
Oh yeah he used the super dragonballs to switch bodies with goku hurr durr.
Wtf, at least the anime put effort to make a it mysterious.
Also why did zamasu even borrow goku's body when monaka won the tournament. how come zamasu didnt got stopped without trunks intervention? since in the manga its zuno who reports about zamasu.
In the manga verse zamasu could never even become black.

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>>150145405
Speak for yourself, you shallow ass muh power is maximum faggot.

>>150146166
>Wtf, at least the anime put effort to make a it mysterious.
the manga is a companion piece to the anime, it doesn't need to drag out for weekly suspense when it's already been revealed.
>>150146166
>Also why did zamasu even borrow goku's body when monaka won the tournament
he was triggered before he watched god tube, he specifically hated Goku for fighting amongst gods cloaked in God Ki.
>In the manga verse zamasu could never even become black.
says who? You do know that the anime suffers from a Time Causal Loop Paradox right?

>>150146166
>Wtf, at least the anime put effort to drag out this reveal longer than it needed to be.
ftfy

>>150145977
If it really is just one guy trying to stir shit up then stop fucking engaging him.
Knowing that someone is baiting, but stil replying to them make you just as bad as the. No it makes you even dumber than him since you are giving him exactly what he wants eventhough you know he is only fishing for replies.
Also calling someone an xcuck really doesn't help your case.

>>150146146
Assassin techniques will barely do anything on someone who can beat him even at SSG. He barely managed to dodge a Kamehameha.

>>150146258
>says who? You do know that the anime suffers from a Time Causal Loop Paradox right?
Because black comes from the same timeline our heroes are in and since the event played out similarly then zuno would have reported zamasu asking shady questions to the gods as well.
Zamasu therefore cant even become black since they would know about hos intentions in the manga even without trunks interference.

>>150146425
>He barely managed to dodge a Kamehameha.
a full powered SSB kamehameha. Same results as the anime except for without the filler Kaioken form.

>>150146419
Its not bait if there is a genuine question about a plot hole.
You explain to me how zamasu was still able to become if the events unfolded like in the manga.
No way he could sincr zuno would have told the kaioshins all about it.

>>150146469
Black doesn't come from the same timeline you idiot. Goku is the Goku of our timeline. Black has Goku's body from another. Goten and Chichi died in the timeline where Black is from.

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>>150145692
The manga literally skipped RoF. Does that mean RoF got retconned from canon?

Because the Beyond God information we have is from RoF.

Was that picture real, really wish I didn't go into the archive to see that

>>150146579
Toyotaro and TA did the RoF promotional manga before the movie even released.

>>150146562
>Black doesn't come from the same timeline you idiot
You the retard the anime and manga both state that beerus if beerus kill zamasu a nee timeline would open up.
The way the initial story would play out is that zamasu in this timeline has to become black.

>>150146579
>Because the Beyond God information we have is from RoF.
no that was fan speculation, the only time Beyond God was ever named as a real form was in Dragon Ball Heroes.

>>150146208
that bra is not canon though. Sucks.

>>150146521
In the anime Hit managed to freeze Goku thanks to his improvement. There was no Time Stop in the manga as Hit can barely even stop SSG while using all of his power.

>still pushing the canon is filler meme
SSB Kaioken is canon, SSG being accessible after BoG isn't.

>>150146640
>The way the initial story would play out is that zamasu in this timeline has to become black.
that's not the same thing as saying Black is from our timeline you doofus.

>>150146683
>SSB Kaioken is canon, SSG being accessible after BoG isn't.
two different mediums with two different canon continuities. cry me a fucking river you queef.

>>150146723
But still how the events played out in the manga zamasu would have been busted either way since zuno reported it to the gods regardless trunks telling everyone about blacl or not. which would make him going back pointless.

>>150146798
>But still how the events played out in the manga zamasu would have been busted either way since zuno reported it to the gods
this is irrelevant, why do you think he's hiding in an alternate world to begin with?

>>150146659
Not having a name doesn't mean the state doesn't exist. Ultimate Gohan was never called Ultimate in neither the manga or the anime.

Beyond God is a confirmed state even in the promotional Manga. In the anime there is evidence of Goku being far stronger than Ultimate Gohan even while at base, which means he has his Beyond God power.

>>150146543
You are completely missing the point of my post.
I am not saying that the manga is superior or even that the manga is superior.
AllI I am saying is that this constant fight over which is better needs to stop.
Mangfags and animefags are both bad.
Just enjoy the version that you are following and don't let what is canon bother you since the only thing that is truly canon is Toriyama's general outline.

>>150146827
>this is irrelevant
No it isnt since zuno snitching to the gods triggered beerus visiting gowasu.
Where he is going to die.

>>150146617
Promotional manga that still skipped the arc. I guess RoF just got retconned as it wasn't part of the '"""""canon""""" manga.

>>150146895
The mangacuck started this shit because he just had to keep shilling his shitty manga when nobody even cared about it anymore and dropped it even further after Hit was a disappointment. I just got fed up with his shit.

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I havent been in the DBS train for a while
I thought trunks killed zamasu with the sword genkidama and got a happy ending
what is this gyijas zamasu

>>150146885
>Beyond God is a confirmed state even in the promotional Manga. In the anime there is evidence of Goku being far stronger than Ultimate Gohan even while at base, which means he has his Beyond God power.
there's no evidence of Saiyan Beyond God. IF there is someone would have posted it by now.
Using Mystic Gohan as a benchmark doesn't really work since they used God Ki as a soft reset for the franchise and they purposefully made a divide between God Ki users and mortals.

>>150146895
I am not that one fag bashing the anime.
I was just asking something that seems illogical and I think its ok to ask and point stuff like that out no matter if manga or anime.

>>150146948
>Where he is going to die
he'll die next chapter since they're visiting Gowasu right now.

>>150147038
Thats what I was saying.
You still havent explain to me how zamasu could have become black with the events that played out in the manga.

>>150146989
>The mangacuck
Like I fucking said it, calling someone a cuck doesn't help your case, it just makes you look like an idiot.

>>150146995
There is nothing wrong with that, but this constant shitflinging needs to stop.
Both sides need to stop sucking the anime and manga's dick and not get triggered whenever someone points out a flaw.

>>150147082
he steals the time ring, then continues to pull shenanigans outside our timeline.
done. wasn't that easy?

>>150147093
>There is nothing wrong with that, but this constant shitflinging needs to stop.
it doesn't matter anymore, manga has won. Manga will lead the canon from now on and anime is stuck in filler until they get their information relayed to them.

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Anime

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

Manga

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking

>>150146990
Zamasu won and killed the multiverse of F. Trunks. Zeno had to destroy everything. F Trunks, Mai, Kaioshin, Gowasu, Goku, Vegeta and Bulma are the only survivors

>>150147111
He cant steal the fucking timering since in the manga even without trunks being there to warn them about black they still will know zamasu intention by the reports of zuno. so he could never have enough time to kill gowasu and steal the timering since beerus will step in.

>>150146994
>since they used God Ki as a soft reset for the franchise and they purposefully made a divide between God Ki users and mortals
Goku having God Ki even at base is exactly what Beyond God is about you stupid fuck. Goku at Base is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan.

Yet in the manga, Trunks, a failure who couldn't even fight the Androids before going to the past, somehow managed to surpass SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan and bevome stronger than a SSJ3 with God Ki, at only SSJ2 and no God Ki.

And Frieza didn't have God Ki either, he just trained and became strong as shit, strong enough to match the gods.

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>>150147169
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?

>At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.

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>>150147176
Holy fuck
What was the point out of all of this

>>150147183
Zuno knew in the anime too. The only thing that has yet to be revealed that's a mystery when Zamasu gets the ring so he doesn't get hakai'd. Everything else is fine and consistent.

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>>150147151
>it doesn't matter anymore, manga has won. Manga will lead the canon from now on and anime is stuck in filler until they get their information relayed to them.
But the manga version of things makes no sense since in their version trunks wasnt the catalyst to make our heroes aware of zamasu but zuno.
So zamasu would be busted either way and should have been stopped either way.

>>150147193
>Goku having God Ki even at base is exactly what Beyond God is about you stupid fuck
show me canonical evidence of this, oh wait there's no such thing.

>>150147216
No Ningen can escape the anger of the gods

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>>150147193
>and bevome stronger than a SSJ3 with God Ki
I think you have reading comprehension problems.

>>150147245
>Zuno knew in the anime too
Yes but he never told the gods about it thats why our heroes never got aware of zamasu plan until trunks tells them about black. in the manga no since zuno tells them everything which should avoid zamasu becoming black.

>>150147282
>But the manga version of things makes no sense since in their version trunks wasnt the catalyst to make our heroes aware of zamasu
no it's the anime that makes no sense, Trunks and Black's interaction leading up to Goku and Zamasu's duel is called a "Causal Loop Paradox".

>>150147358
>in the manga no since zuno tells them everything which should avoid zamasu becoming black.
how do you keep jumping to this conclusion?

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>>150147216
>What was the point out of all of this
The point is is that NINGENS suck and that they always be the gods bitches, no matter how much they try to go against them.

>>150147363
>no it's the anime that makes no sense, Trunks and Black's interaction leading up to Goku and Zamasu's duel is called a "Causal Loop Paradox
The manga makes no sense either since our zamasu evil intention would not be unknown even without trunks going back. SO they should have gotten rid of him either way

>>150147151
>Manga will lead the canon from now on
Just like U6, RIGHT? He will be ahead in December and go back to being behind by January.

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>>150147399
Read chapter 18.
Zuno reported everything to kibito.
How do you think he knew about zamasu wanting to change bodies with someone.

>>150147455
>SO they should have gotten rid of him either way
and what exactly is your point? This isn't a point.

>>150147518
and how exactly does this really interfere with Zamasu becoming Black? All your manga questions will be answered next week when the timering theft will be answered etc.

>>150147523
>and what exactly is your point? This isn't a poin
My point is that zamasu couod never have become black with how the events play out in the manga.

>>150147567
>My point is that zamasu couod never have become black with how the events play out in the manga.
and this is you jumping to conclusions.

>>150147554
>and how exactly does this really interfere with Zamasu becoming Black?
Because zamasu comes from a timeline a little bit ahead of the timeline our main heroes are in. and since thr events play out similarly. zuno should have told the gods about zamasu intention which would result to beerus confronting him.
In the anime trunks telling aboit black was the catalyst to make them aware of zamasu.

>>150147554
>next week
Don't you mean next month the new chapter just came out.

>>150147325
Beyond God =/= SSG

Goku is still beyond the likes of Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks even at Base. Yet your shit non canon manga has SSJ2 Trunks as stronger than SSJ3 Goku who is stronger than those 2 at Base, even though he could barely handle Dabura.

>>150147518
Where do you read it?, my usual site still hasn't it up.

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>>150143485
>animefags are delusional retards who can't handle that everything else DB related is better than Super's anime

>>150147680
so you admit you have no evidence? Checkmate.

>>150147688
Mangastream already has it

>>150147707
So Ultimate Gohan and Majin Vegeta don't exist? Checkmate.

>>150147647
>In the anime trunks telling aboit black was the catalyst to make them aware of zamasu.
this is the true cause of your frustration. Understand what a Causal Loop Paradox is and put the anime plot holes to rest.

>>150143485

>if only Mai and Trunks are left

But this isn't true. Why does this meme keep being repeated?

>>150147688
I hope you arent the one I was debating with because that would the entire thing pointless since you havent even read the fucking material..

>>150147754
you're moving the goal posts because you have no evidence of Saiyan Beyond God.

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>>150143485
>leave the empty Universe and let Zamasu enjoy his Universe without Ningens
>being this retarded
Try reading the manga before you shitpost retard.

>Hurr Hurr stopping a potential threat that has a Saiyan body with infinite potential and may try to do the same bad shit to the main timeline is trash writing

>but letting that threat do what he wants, unchecked and forcing everyone in the main timeline to sleep with one eye open is good writing

God forbid Black attacks the main timeline when the main cast is preoccupied with a different threat.

Jesus you Toei shills are desperate.

>>150145405
The anime fight was trash, 2fast2furious punching spam and constantly reused frames of animation for most of the fight, instead actually good fight choreography. They didn't even explain why Kaioken worked against Timeleap unlike the manga.

No matter what Goku did Hit just nuh uh I improve over that, like some playground game of pretend.

It's funny, you attach Kaioken to a mediocre fight and people will eat that shit up. Also SSB Kaiokenx10 not being stronger than Beerus is bullshit.

>SSG made Beerus use 70% of his power
>SSB is stronger plus Whis said that Goku and Vegeta together can beat Beerus
>Yet SSBx10 Kaioken isn't stronger than Beerus

>>150147216
Adult Mai. The only reason I even bothered picking up this series.

>>150147770
>Causal Loop Paradox
Only works if the timeline are lonear which is not the case in dragonball

>>150147829
the way timelines fracture into split timelines is linear you idiot.

>>150147410
Zamasu still lost because he never created his perfect world and got deleted, kill all mortals was only step two.

>>150147806
Your argument is that is the form doesn't have a canon name, it doesn't exist. So Majin Vegeta and Ultimate Gohan aren't a thing.

>>150147850
Not him but that doesnt change the fact that zamasu would have been busted either way in the manga. what you doing is you trying to point out the anime flaws even though I only asked about the manga stuff.

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>>150147810

"Kaioken is only possible with calm Ki"

Nice job, ignoring the Cell saga training. Toei.

>>150147926
not just the name, show me proof it even exists.
Show me specific evidence of Goku utilising God Ki in base form.

>>150147810
>>SSG made Beerus use 70% of his power
>>SSB is stronger plus Whis said that Goku and Vegeta together can beat Beerus
>>Yet SSBx10 Kaioken isn't stronger than Beerus

Because Beerus is a lying asshole.

>>150147855
So?
The only reason why Zamasu lost, was because they called in another god for help since NINGENS can't do shit against a god.
The best they can do is hope that another god likes them enough to help them out.

>>150147810
>Yet SSBx10 Kaioken isn't stronger than Beerus
Except it is and both Champa and Beerus were scared. Using lies for your argument just shows how wrong you are.

>>150148053
>Except it is and both Champa and Beerus were scared

That was a gag scene.
Later on Champa gets mad as fuck and Hit is scared for his life.
If he really were more powerful, why would he be scared? Because he's not. That was a throwaway interaction to make Goku and Hit look fully determined to win.

>>150147931
>Not him but that doesnt change the fact that zamasu would have been busted either way in the manga.
This is pointless to discuss about until the next chapter is released. Black not being "busted" is fine I don't see any glaring issues here. He's hiding in an alternate world for a reason.

>>150148053
too bad Kaioken Blue is Toei's anime only filler so we will never get a real explanation.

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>>150147952

>>150148014
No one but the cosmic king won on that day.

>>150148053
Wrong dumbass
Hit's improvement bullshit put him over SSBKx10 Goku, yet Hit was still scared shitless of Champa when he was threatening to kill the U6 fighters.

>>150147810
SSG got retconned in Super to "Goku is a tree and Beerus is castle".
It's total bullshit, but so is everything else in this show.

>>150148109
>Black not being "busted" is fine I don't see any glaring issues here. He's hiding in an alternate world for a reason
You dont get it. What I am saying is there could never be a black with how the things unfold in the manga. Since even without trunks they would be aware of zamasu intention by the hands of zuno. which would trigger beerus to go pay a visit to gowasu and you know how it ends.

>>150148183
Correct the cosmic king, who is also a god.
NINGENS can never win against a god.
Only a god can win against a god, because NINGENS sucks.

>>150148098
>Later on Champa gets mad as fuck
When Hit is injured and tired, wow, so scary. I guess Krillin was stronger than Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc.

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>tfw when Ash has kissed more girls than Goku and he's 10 years old

>>150148109
I mean didnt trunks going back to the future have made stuff play differently?
Just like how android 20/19 appeared but never appeared in trunks timeline?

>>150148109
>>150148230
There is no point in discussing this since we don't know how things will turn out to be.
Just let it go both of you.

>>150148262
Yeah the mortals lost that too, but that's nothing special, but Zams justice got the D.

>>150145028
Is it possible to see them pizzas that were deleted by faggot janitors in /b/ using this site?

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>>150148268
>When Hit is injured and tired,

>>150148174
all i see here is Goku about to go SSG again, punching Whis doesn't prove anything regarding your power scaling either.

>>150148190
>yet Hit was still scared shitless of Champa
Hit was slightly worried even while injured and tired. Your argument is as good as Krillin being stronger than Vegeta in the Saiyan arc just because at one point when Vegeta was tired and injured, Kriñlin could kill him

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>Super had Goku and Beerus' clashes threatening the universe
>Black and Zamasu can't handle a smoke grenade

>>150148268
>Hit being worn-down in the face of a God of Destruction
>comparable to Vegeta being literally fucked to all shit in the face of anyone who can still move their legs

>>150148319
I am not saying that Zamasu won, I am just saying that NINGENS can never win against the gods.
The only thing that could stop Zamasu was an another god.

>>150148346
Hit didn't look nervous at all in that scene.
Everyone else was scared, but Hit looked like he was ready to kick Champa's fat ass.

>>150148303
>There is no point in discussing this since we don't know how things will turn out to be.
Except we do and it contradicts itself.
The events play out similarly like now thats the whole problem.

>>150148368
I don't get this complaint. There are other superheroes who are effected by basic weaponry such as this.
Just because they have the power to fuck the cosmos' shit, doesn't mean a physiological assault won't work on them.
Those may have been made tailored to FBulma's blueprints, too. Who's to say they're not designed to fuck with them?

>>150148338
>Krillin was stronger than Vegeta

>>150148374
They could barely stand up to continue, watch the episode before talking shit.

>>150148346
See >>150148338

>Your argument is as good as Krillin being stronger than Vegeta in the Saiyan arc
No retard, because there Vegeta was visibly injured and tired, hell he even said that he was weaken himself, NONE of this is true for Hit. Nice try but no.

>>150148449
>being this retarded

>>150148449
Yet they still stood up, so they were in much better shape than Vegeta.
Regardless, Toriyama himself has stated he has no plans for Goku/Vegeta to surpass Beerus. The 70% shit has been retconned by the man himself's spoken word.

>>150148443
Because they could have just flown upwards
Or flared up their auras to blow the smoke away
And Black is one thing, but how would Future Bulla design something to fuck with a Supreme Kai when she's never even met one and the idea of one turning isn't something one would expect.

>>150148329
archive anons are obligated (and advised by 4chan) to destroy any trace of CP, to avoid their archive being cut off from cloudflare.

Damn and I thought naruto fans were cancer. WHy csnt you fuckers be like onepiece fans and just talk about boobs?

>>150148410
He looked slightly worried, but yeah, he indeed got in position of attack. He knew fighting Champa wasn't easy shit and was tired and injured, but he wasn't """scared shitless""" as retards like to pretend.

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>>150148368
>>150148443
>>150148558

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hi

>>150148607
Dragonball girls are all small breasted tomboys. not much to work with here.
Fanservice here is when your favourite character gets an asspull to defeat the enemy like trunksue

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>>150148698

>>150148607
it's because Toriyama was lazy and left us with Toei shit. Luckily he's correcting this from now on with future canon arcs.

>>150148541
>Toriyama himself has stated he has no plans for Goku/Vegeta to surpass Beerus.
That was one and a half year ago, with the Volume 1 of the Manga, he said Beerus AND Whis, and he said RIGHT NOW. We will reach end of Super and Beerusfags will still bring up that retconned and outdated interview.

>>150148483
>Vegeta was visibly injured and tired
So was Hit, and he wasn't scared shitless as you are pretending. Nobody said dealing with Champa and Beerus was easy shit either.

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why wasn't this entire concept explained from the form to the spirit sword?

>>150148698
>tear gas and dust are the same
Retard alert.

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>>150148701
bye.

>>150148909
Because Toei.

>>150148674
To me, he looked more annoyed with all of Champa's yelling.

>>150148913
>grasping this hard
anime Black is Sunday Morning Cartoon tier.

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>>150148813
>how much worse 2016 is compared to early 90s

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>>150148849
>So was Hit,
No he wasn't retard. Show me Hit covered in blood and crawling because he can't walk or stand.

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>>150148813

>>150148913
>it being tear gas or dust makes a difference to beings who can generate enough force to blow up planets
Retard alert

>>150148846
Reaching pretty hard there especially with that last one.

>>150148952
Manga Black is jobber Hit tier that will at most last 1 chapter.

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>>150148952
You take that fucking back.
I don't give a fuck about this manga and anime fight, but Black is a best no matter what medium he is in.

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Was lurking on 2chan when an anon there posted :
>Unused drafts


What did toei mean by this?

>>150149067
He got stopped by tear gas and resulted in Merged Zamasu going Bio Broly
He's shit

>>150149040
what exactly are you implying I'm grasping for? The pictures speak for themselves, make up your own opinion.

>>150149069
I think a lot of people are still trying to figure out why Toei retconned Vegito like that instead of just making a canon appearance of Gogeta.

>>150149059
At least manga Black didn't get rekted by SS2 Goku and knocked on his ass by a bullet.

>>150145867
>>150146895
The manga and anime are shit, I don't know why you are fighting.

>>150149001
>DBS
>blood
Goku was pierced, Zamasu was bisected, no blood at all.

Hit barely had the strength to stand up again, and again, he wasn't scared shitless as you are pretending.

>>150147358
>Yes but he never told the gods about it
Stop repeating this, Zuno did tell the gods about Zamasu's visit. Then Whis speculated about Black's true nature and they decided to visit U10 again, arriving in time to watch Zamasu's murder attempt.

>>150149069
>>150149132
Making a non canon character appear in a canon show is probably what stopped the producers going for gogeta

>>150149112
>what exactly are you implying I'm grasping for?
For a connection between them.

>The pictures speak for themselves,
Exactly.

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>>150149111
His only flaw was that he loved his other half too much.
Other than that he was absolutely perfect.

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>>150149067
He's better when he's serious threat and not flanderized into a weekly reocurring villain. This is the nature of tv adaptations.

>>150149135
What was the point of that scene? I thought his Patora earring would malfunction later because of it, but that scene had no purpose

>>150147820
>Adult Mai.
>The only reason
Wow, at least choose a good waifu, you waifufag.

>>150149204
straight up filler.

>>150149069
You know its bad news that the anime opted to trash an established character in vegito but its good news that vegetto was just toei non canon filler preview bait.

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>>150149203
He was a serious thread Vegeta and Goku couldn't do shit against him.
He went out undefeated.
Every Black is perfect.

>>150149190
Gogeta is entirely Toei's idea, and I don't even think Vegito was in Toriyama's draft.
Vegito's entire purpose for being there, aside from hyping up Trunks even more, was getting more viewers.
I'm pretty sure a canonization of Gogeta would have pulled in plenty of viewers as well.

>>150149204
>What was the point of that scene?
Shipping.

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>>150149156
>DBS
>blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_jzq9V64g
1:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RylVwtffiUs
1:57

Nice try.


>Hit barely had the strength to stand up again
Pic related

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>>150145366
Manga has has the lead since the poll opened.

>>150149069
At toei
>Producer : we need a fusion with a time limit
>worker: working on it boss ,there you go
>producer:wtf is this shit he aint canon lets just retcon vegito
>worker : how long should the fusion last?
>producer: one hour oh no 5min we need to show trunks asspull while we have all these viewers

>>150149276
>powered up via Saiyan biology despite the fact that no Saiyan has ever gotten stupid power boosts during battle unless it was returning from near death or transforming
>only managed to kill an old defenseless woman
>couldn't even kill a worthless piece of shit like Mai
>gets tear gassed like a fag

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>>150149399
>retcon vegito by making him useless
>make trunks super cool and strong
>have a bad ending
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>150149427
I am conflicted

I lost all love for Toriyama when he decided Goku and Chi-Chi have never kissed. I have Toei destroys his artistic vision.

>>150149501
Someone with a high position at Toei.
They don't give a shit. They already got all those viewers.

>>150149514
Goku is too pure for you.

>>150149514
Deal with it retard. Goku never understood romance.

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Ha ha, try to call it non-canon now, faggots.

>>150149427
>worthless piece of shit
>Mai
DELETE THIS

>>150147810
We are talking about the same Beerus who lied about Monaka's power to inspire Goku.

>>150149069
At least one guy at toei has a brain

>>150149545
Blaming toei for toryiama's shit ending.
This is just like goku never having kissed chichi.
You guys only eat your own words once the manga shows it as well

>>150149132
the purpose of Vegito appearing was to nerf fusion so it's not a trump card for every problem.

>>150149592
Only retards get mad at this.

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>>150149427
He didn't even try to kill mai if he really wanted her dead than she wouldn't be alive right now and the teasgass shit is just toei being toei as usual.
Black is perfect.

>>150149681
>Blaming toei for toryiama's shit ending.
Like Goku forgetting the Senzu beans right? Fuck off Toei shill.

>>150149592
Jokes on you Chichi has given plenty of kisses to Goku on his dick

>>150149690
I'm pretty sure Vegito was there because even Toei realized people were getting tired of Trunks getting constant asspulls.
Everyone already expected them to never fuse, since they've been drilling that since RoF.

>>150149723
I dk why people get pissed of at goku forgetting the senzu's.
The problem should be all this time travels back and forth with sudden infinite amount of fuel.
Thank god thr manga fixed that shit.

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>>150142502
Friendly reminder...

>>150149690
Somehow I doubt that since they don't seem to have put any actual thought into anything this arc
That and you could remove fusion being a trump card by just having Goku and Vegeta refuse to use it unless the enemy is a fusion like Zamasu was

>>150149832
Goku doesn't only forget the senzus in a way that necessitates the retardation that is escaping from Zamasu and Black using smoke grenades, he also eventually forgets the fucking mafuba talisman

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>>150149854
...Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman

>>150149854
I don't remember this on BoG or in the manga.

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>>150149854
>>150149904

Cool story bro

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>>150149203
>serious threat
>taken out in 1 chapter
More like serious jobber

>>150149948
Its in the manga

>>150148849
>We will reach end of Super

We're not there yet. Goku may have surpassed him by then, but UNTIL then, he hasn't.
Also, powerlevels are out the window.
SSB is weaker than Beerus, which is far stronger than SSG, which is apparently 70% of Beerus' power.
Using logic, SSB is stronger than Beerus, which it isn't. Why do you think logic applies to the anime-exclusive KK bullshit, if nowhere else?

>>150149969
would you complain if a villain appears in only one movie? Not so sit your ass down.

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>>150149969
>using Zamasu to slander Black
You disgust me, NINGEN.
We haven't even seen him in action yet.
Every Black is perfect.
It doesn't matter if it is manga Black or anime Black he is always perfect and best boy.

>>150149832
>I dk why people get pissed of at goku forgetting the senzu's.
Because you're retarded.

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>>150149592
>gets to third base on the first date
>never kissed her in like 10 years of marriage

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>>150149723
>>150149832
>>150149903
>>150150139

>>150149969
>serious jobber
Nah he didn't get rekted by SS2 Goku, knocked on his ass by a bullet or have gas for a weakness.

>>150150054
You will just say he never did because of a 5 years old retconned interview.

He already surpassed Beerus or at the very least is enough of a threat for him to panic. However this is only in short bursts as of post U6, relying on something like that to beat Beerus is not that good. He needs to get stronger without crutching on Kaioken.

This is why Hit is still a huge threat in the anime, even though Goku has gotten much stronger thanks to Black, he still relied on Kaioken x10 to beat Hit.

Meanwhile Manga Hit struggles with SSG.

>>150150139
Read the entire post you illiterate sperg what he meant was that senzu is nothing compared to other things where toei dropped the ball

>>150149854
Anime only, not in the manga. Not canon.

>>150150285
>The problem should be all this time travels back and forth with sudden infinite amount of fuel.
is no where near as bad as Goku forgetting shit over and over, retard.

>>150150298
Manga is advertisement for the anime, it's not canon.

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>>150150298
But you wrong fucking retard

>>150150328
Plot inconsistency > character inconsistency
NOw stfu pedro

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>>150150252
>>150149969
You are both disgusting NINGENS, for bringing Black into your manga vs anime shitflinging.
You should both be executed for slandering his name.
If your gonna do this whole manga vs anime shebang, for gods sake leave him out of this cancer.

>>150150390
Fuck off retard, Trunks time traveled many times in the Cell saga.

>>150150298
Before talking shit read the fucking manga. ah no thats too much asked for a braindead spics

>>150150298
>>150150343
Toeifags at it again.
Anime= non canom braindead filler trash
Manga= canon true to the original manga

>>150150353
Look at your own poster, dummy. He just says the universe is in jeopardy, he doesn't tell us anything about the power.

>>150148909
HIKARI NO WILLPOWER

>>150150529
> at this rate the entire universe is in jeopardy
I will translate this to you you filthy spic
: if the fight keeps going for much longer the universe will be destroyed.

>>150150298
dumbass

>>150150640
Why are you projecting, Raul? Only Spics think Goku is stronger than Superman anyway, because they're jealous they got deported whilst Superman got to stay. Listen, I'm sorry that your favorutie anime character is not as strong as Superman, but that's just the way it is. Goku isn't a good enough person to actually be as strong as Superman, anyway. He's not pure hearted enough.

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>>150150298
T.illiteratedisgustingspics

>>150150529
>>150150706
only reason the universe was cracking was because Beerus' punches were vibrating at HAKAI frequency. No need to make a dick measuring contest.

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>>150150706
Your kind isnt welcomed here you dirty spic back to /co/ with you and take your jobberman with ya

>>150150809
Did you have to go onto Google to get a picture of Donald to "prove" that you weren't a spic? Absolutely pathetic, what's that filename? Very sad.

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>>150150529
Actually in the official Viz translation, the Old Kai the "The entire universe will be destroyed!"

>>150150872
Woah, could it be that the Old Kaioshin is capable of hyperbole? I mean, a stronger Goku participated in the U6 tournament, why wasn't that universe in jeopardy when he was fighting?

>>150150872
same shit.
Why are there so many spics who dont understand simple english

>>150150919
>I mean, a stronger Goku participated in the U6 tournament
Which had Vados' barrier, retard.

>>150150975
>A barrier preventing universal level catastrophe
Don't be retarded. Relatively sure all of the U7 cast was inside of the barrier observing the tournament anyway, so his power couldn't have been that great.

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>>150150393

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>>150149904
Reminder superman is sp cell tier

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>>150151068
Leave superman to me

>>150150970
>>150150970
I'm just being thorough.
When it comes to Dragon Ball feats you'll notice autists get super triggered and will go "NU-UH DON'T COUNT!" at any opportunity.

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>>150151068
did somebody say power ranking?

>>150142502

MAI

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>>150151125
Arale is a 4th dimension buster.
Not even zeno is that level since he is affected by time

>>150151226
People say dr gero was a brilliant scientist. Top kek

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>>150151222
waifu

>>150149690
Vegito was there to bait people into watching

>>150151353
this

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>>150151226
based Arale

>>150151190
But can they compare to Base Kid Goku from the end of GT?

>>150151353
the concept of potara having a shortened time limit was introduced earlier in DBH.
I wonder if we should've gotten a DBH anime instead of Super. DBH might've had bad fanfictiony stuff; but the Time Patroller versions of the main cast are different enough from the regular ones.

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Did this last night, for no particular reason.

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How will Wolf God Yamcha be rewarded for winning the baseball tournament for U7?

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>>150151553
nice

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>Competent Goku
>Goten
>Non-Asspull Trunks
>Actually useful Gohan
>Vegeta
>Bulma in her teens.

WTF; give this cast a movie goddammit

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Reminder that goku black is just afanfic from an edgy underage kid in 2005

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>>150151553
hi can you draw chichi from the cell arc waving hi with a speech bubble?

>>150151589
Toriyama will probably make some way to fuck him over again even though we've FINALLY come to an episode where he can be useful

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>>150151846
>Toriyama will probably make some way to fuck him over again
Wut?

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>>150151846
>Tfw Yamcha doesn't have a fuccboi qt son who tries to keep up with Goten and Trunks and is gloomy due to his inability

>>150151936
Toriyama hates Yamcha so much he'll force Toei to fuck him even in filler episodes

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Toryiama was so desperate he made himself available in his own manga.

>>150146683
nope.

Anyone got the picture showing gohan's death in super and z side by side?

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>>150151846
and i'm certain they will find a way to include his death pose

>>150153080
I think this meme is 100% proof that the Japanese have no souls. The look of horror on Bulma's face and the way she grabs her hair in grief and Puar banging the TV really made this scene give me feels when I was little. Little did I know a race of slant-eyed oriental devil worshipers would find a scene like this amusing.

>>150153080
>The look of horror on Bulma's face and the way she grabs her hair in grief
And then she marries the guy responsible for what happened to Yamcha

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>>150153080
also in figure form

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>>150153426
It's even a joke in DB SD

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>>150153080
we will never get a "gohan got owned by frieza" figure...

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>>150153523

>>150153523
It's okay, in Dragon Ball Fusions Yamcha defeats the Saibaman King and restores his honour.

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>>150153080
>>150153426
>>150153543
IT HURTS we will never have this figure.

>>150153426
I want DBZ's abridged version with him rotten and forgotten.

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>>150153426

>>150153543
same empty eyes as the yamcha figure

>>150153622
>IT HURTS we will never have this figure.
indeed. it should of been made

>>150153426
there's a big instagram following of this figure fanpage.

>>150151641
That would be interesting, so no.

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>>150153426
now he can fail everywhere

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>>150151641
They have a manga.

>>150147216
They killed Zamasu and stopped Zamasu's spirit from infecting all the timelines and multiverses.

Just so you know Zamasu was trying to become EVERYTHING after he "died". He went full on Neon Genesis Evangelion.

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>>150154118
who's the semen demon in the middle?

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>>150154329
When's the next series of rebirths for Dokkan Battle?

>>150154450
dumb hamster poster

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You want to know how much worse this arc could have been for Trunks?
Imagine if Trunks were a girl.

Imagine that this Trunks grew up with Gohan, mentor and only real male figure in her life.
She lost him. She sees him when he's young, sees him grow up. She comes back after Black ruins everything she worked for, kills her mom, seemingly kills her new friend.

She meets Gohan again and finds him happily married, with a beautiful wife and kid. She works hard to save the future, fight Zamasu and Black, she comes so close to winning...

And then she fails. She fails, and everyone dies. She fails, and her timeline is destroyed. She fails, and the only thing she can do is end up as a duplicate in another timeline, a better one. She fails.

And the last thing she sees is Gohan.

One last reminder of her failure, of her inability to fulfill her promises. She's sorry Gohan-san. She tried her best.

>>150151046
>being this retarded
Read the manga again dumbass

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>>150154329
10/10

>>150153122
Who cares, that scene gave us a lot of funny stuff.

>>150151641
Do you think Super will have any noncanon movies like Z and Dragon Ball? Or any movies at all, canon or not (excluding BoG and RoF)

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>>150150227
>Of course, what kind of fucking retard would forget to bring them?

>>150151589
why couldn't something like this actually happen?
but lets be honest it would have to be tien or android 18, yamcha hasn't won a fight since he was a child

>Moral of the story of Black arc to kids

It's okay to fuck up. Someone else will come and clean up your shit. There's no problem replacing your mother with another woman, for instance.