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Really feeling that writer change
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Cocona is so fucked up.
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>>150135524
Eva
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bump/
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I want more Pops
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We need webm's of the robot fight
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Everyone is using this thread by the way.
>>150135306
>>150135306
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>>150137666
Fucking ratard can't put Flip Flappers on the title thread or in the OP or in the picture or at least in the name, fucking cancer. You can't find that shit in the two catalogs or in the archive.
Thanks anyway zatan.
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>>150138456
>using this as a shitty excuse to bump your thread
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>>150138501
Who are you quoting fag?
Also, not my thread and not a shitty excuse, OP is clearly a newfag, Hi OP.
And thanks for bumping.
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>>150136731
Was this shot necessary? Really?
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>>150139316
It was.
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>>150139316
Fuck off homo
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>>150139316
Yes
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>>150135411
No you're not. You just know the writer changed and so you're actively looking for shit to nit pick.
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el peruANO
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>>150140580
>>>/nido/
>>>/chispa/
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>>150140580
wena nido
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>Hidaka was the one to change this time
So what is Pops supposed to be, his donut steel?
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>>150139316
Very.
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>>150140777

Manifestation of Buu-chan ?
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>>150140580
Why do spics bully peruvians so much?
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>>150140825
Because they are the Mexicans of SA.
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>8 episodes in
>still no explanation at all
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>>150140777
Nobody changed, holy shit. They introduced one consequence of travelling PI and now people see it everywhere. But at least you're using your brain unlike this guy >>150140967
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>>150140996
Nice argument, nitwit.
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>>150139316

yes. its confimed Cocona's gonna have a fat ass when she grows up.
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Gattai!!
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Space Dandy was better
Yozakura Quartet was better
Yuri Kuma was better
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>>150141272
No.
No.
No.
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The out of place fanservice keeps getting even more weird by episode. I wish they stopped this nonsense, it will flop anyway.
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>>150141272
Naruto was better.
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How do we fix her?
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>>150141323
Replace her with Yayaka.
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>>150141272
Don't use YZQ for shitposting.
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>>150141272
>Yuri Kuma was better
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>>150141323
Electroshock therapy
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>>150132515
this is actually really interesting
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>>150139316
It was to give the viewer an idea of how little room cockona had inside and to also show the seat was made for a tiny person like pops.
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>>150139316

It was a parody of 80s mecha anime that had gratuitous ass shots.
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>>150141233
Real thread
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>>150141468
No it wasn't. Rewatch their Hidaka and Sayuri's first scene. He acted like an ass.
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>>150141529
This is indeed to real thread
Time to move out this new fag thread.
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>>150141468
It's also really wrong.
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>>150140777
Maybe this is what the sexy portrait was supposed to be. We might see a charming Hidaka next episode. I'm already getting a wet spot just thinking about it.
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>>150141561
Great argument for once.
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>>150139316
Sure
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>>150141224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuc3pE22b4g
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>>150141929
Why?
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>>150142141
I like ass, loser
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>>150142133
dumb frog poster
>>>/b/
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>>150142254
Why are you projecting?
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>>150142326
Do you not like ass, friend?
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>>150142133
fuck off with the falseflag
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>>150135411
how?
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Damn it Flip Flappers, stop doing things to my dick. I already fapped to hotel scene from last episode. This episode alone has enough material to last me until Christmas.
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>>150143615
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>>150143822
it's getting stupid at this point
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It's ok, Cocona, remember that Papika loves you for you. It's just the amorphous talking.
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So wait, this ep took place inside Bu-chan's mind right?
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>>150144635
Pretty much.
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>>150144635
It was a visualization of the relationship between Hidaka(creator/pops) and Bu(creation/neon city).
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>>150144846
uh, no, that doesn't look like a brian at all. brians are not spheres.
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>>150144953
and rabbits are not green.
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>>150144953
anon pls
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>>150144291
what's with this subs?
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>>150145054
what?
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>>150144953
But planets are you idiot.
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From /u/ with love
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>>150145709
my point is people are saying it looks like a brian.
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>>150145784
It's a brain planet. Are you really that dense?
It shares properties of brains and planets.
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>>150141360
This.
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>>150141352
This
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>>150145184
What do you mean?
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>>150146412
You know, the subs?
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>>150145765
Thank /u/
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>>150146578
It's the default font from CR. HS changes the font to a nicer one when they rip from CR.
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>>150145765
f-furippu furapp
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I just want to make sure this gets read.
>>150146501
Why can't it be both? Artists very often produce work based on things they find attractive, and they can produce breathtaking things, even for people who aren't interested in the same things, by doing so. It's a very personal inner world, that most importantly of all, isn't hurting anyone.

I see no value in attempting to control others like that.
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>>150146826
this
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Man the fanservice ruined Flip Flap forever, it came down from my top 1 to not even my top 3 after this episode
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>>150147302
Stop it Togo.
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>>150147302
Tougou please, I know you like middle schoolers in swimsuits.
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>>150147302
What a faggot.
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>>150145221
Reposting here just in case
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>>150147302
This.
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>>150147663
:(
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>>150147663
DELET THIS
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>>150146826
I'm sorry but think I have to agree with that guy. It's just excuses and poor excuses at that..

I enjoy fanservice as much as the next guy, hell I'm probably a lolicon, but I still dislike it when there's no justification for it. I can still watch this show and think "wow that's quite a lot of unneeded fanservice, but whatever...", like it doesn't phase me one bit, obviously it's tittilating so you can't exactly argue that it's unpleasant to see it -

But I don't enjoy how I can't hold this show up and say "look at this, it's really fun and has great animation." I even have friends who are into anime who I would have difficulty sharing this show with.

We all have sexual urges and like to see sexy things, but you have to at least try to put up a pretense of not being a seedy fucker who wants to draw young girls in swimsuits just because it gets you off. There are so many examples of the animators just putting fanservice in cos they just want it there and it does get a bit tiring when it's clear it holds the industry back. Kill la Kill was the same, they just want to draw tits and the western fans bend over backwards trying to justify it as some sort of critique of fanservice. It was nothing of the sort. Even when you look at that MeMeMe! short that could actually claim to be a critique, it's still fucking half-baked and still seems like an excuse to draw tits. It's unconvincing.

The whole animator expo was full of it too. Like Takeshi Honda and Hiroyuki Okiura's shorts. They just did what they wanted so they made shorts full of tits with weak justification. Impeccably animated tits, but tits all the same. They lose their credibility and integrity because of this, regardless of their animation skill.
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>>150148123
Everyone is here >>150146542
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>>150148123
Also, why are there so many threads? God fucking damn it.
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>>150148123
>weak justification.
It doesn't need any justification at all.
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>>150148155
Because this thread keep getting bumped, it should be dead.
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What do you mean by writer change? Did Okada pass it off on someone else or something?
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>>150148154
The post I'm replying to isn't, though. I'm not going to go to a thread that forked off the previous thread and reply to a post in THIS thread there just because it's more popular. Now I have to go to that thread and reply to that guy's same post from the previous thread. That's what'll happen if you start fucking posting your own posts multiple times in other threads just because you're desperate for people to see a post you made when a thread was in its twilight.

>>150148274
Well after that big post I made I saged the next post and this one.

>>150148257
Sure it does. Just doing whatever the fuck you like is poor reasoning for including something when you have an audience. If you don't at least try to conform to the notion of constructing a work with reason and substance, as I said, you lose credibility. Even the most avant garde filmmakers who make opaque impossible to understand shit, even when they make things that are clearly just the result of their tastes, they usually have at least some sort of solid reasoning for why it should be that way. I saw someone claim this episode is like this because Bu-chan is a pervert. That's fine, but what is the reason for Bu-chan being a pervert? It serves no purpose, it's just comic relief, so his perversion affecting a whole episode also serves no purpose.
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>>150148585
>It serves no purpose, it's just comic relief
Good job contradicting yourself, genius.
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>>150148585
>It serves no purpose
>it's comic relief

which is it?
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>>150148622
>>150148641
He means no purpose for the plot. And thanks for bumping the shitposting thread.
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>>150148682
>He means no purpose for the plot.
So what? It makes the show more enjoyable to watch.

>And thanks for bumping the shitposting thread.
You are welcome.
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>>150148682
If this is the shitposting thread, I wonder what you would call the other one.
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>>150148682
>what is sage
Thanks for revealing yourself as a newfag.
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>>150148790
>thread is on page 4 after this post >>150148585
>2 more replies
>thread is on page 1
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that at least one of those two didn't sage, newfag.
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>>150148622
>>150148641
Comic relief is relief. It's to relieve the tension of the main drama.

If you make the comic relief become the whole show, it's not relief anymore, it can only exist in bitesize form in order to serve its purpose. If you extrapolate an entire gag out to the full length of the whole episode, it's hardly a gag anymore, but rather the basis of the whole episode. You would hope for something like that to be important, not just a throwaway thing that is needlessly in your face for the whole runtime.

I'm repeating myself a lot here because I don't know how to make this any clearer.
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>>150148883
>I don't know how to make this any clearer.
That's because it doesn't make sense in the first place.
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If every Pure Illusion that Cocona and Papika enter has some relation to the real world/some character in the show, then who the fuck was responsible for the PI in Episode 5?
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>>150149054
They specifically went out of their way to say that it's not necessarily one character, or even humans. This isn't really Psychonauts (except when it is such in ep 6, but that was obviously a special case).

Episode 5 might be Yayaka, or it might be the school. Or both.
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>>150149054
It's not always a question of who. Sometimes it's related to a thing like a relationship or simply an idea. Episode 5 PI revolved around the idea of an all-girls school that makes the students progressively gayer but ultimately not paying off. It's related to the progression of Cocona's and Papika's relationship, but they actually managed to break the cycle and go beyond the loop of artificial homo.
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Are we going to learn why Iroha can paint Pure Illusion? Or is that just going to be some kind of easter egg, like when characters hum their show's theme song? Because they were being pretty blatant about it.

I really hope we don't end up with a bunch of loose ends when the series is over.
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>>150149237
>and go beyond the loop of artificial homo
yeah, straight into real homo
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>>150149376
>I really hope we don't end up with a bunch of loose ends when the series is over.

You will 100% end up with a bunch of loose ends by the end, this is not that kind of show.

And Iroha can paint Pure Illusion because Pure Illusion is the realm of imagination and creativity. It's not something she saw and is trying to recreate, it's because the painting and Pure Illusion are one and the same.
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>>150141184
she's already grown up, any more growing and she'll be ruined.
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>gap between swimsuit and chest
MUH
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Did anyone else find it odd how Cocona did absolutely nothing during this fighting sequence?

She stood still while Papika fought, called out "behind you!" and "there's another one!" and didn't lift a finger to actually help. Yayaka intervened and helped Papika, but prior to that it was ostensibly 3v1.

They even give us a shot of Cocona standing there and she hasn't even called out her weapon to fight with. She was completely just spectating.
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>>150151732
Because she was not very happy about entering PI initially.
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>>150144953
>the girls create a PI portal in Bu
>pops said the city is the testament to his genius
>they took the trouble of making the planet look like a brain
>when they leave Bu is falling apart
>"it wasnt in his mind guys"
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>>150144953
>brians are not spheres.

I find that Kevins are usually rotund.
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Well animated
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>>150135411
yayaka a cute
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Where is the stitch of Cocona taking a shower
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>>150152392
On my HDD.
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>>150152442
Boy if you don't
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So Bu-chan got crushed by vagina?
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>>150139316
Literally yes. One of the themes of this episode was awkward body sizes/uncomfortable spaces.

When people hit puberty, the growth spurt results in sudden and uneven changes to their dimensions. Teens find themselves feeling unfamiliar in familiar spaces, uncomfortable in previously comfortable positions, and feeling like they suddenly don't know the shape of their own bodies anymore. One of the significant ways in which this is manifested is the development of secondary sexual characteristics, particularly in women where the growth of their hips and butt can be awkward, particularly with regards to sitting positions they were accustomed to before puberty.

The "cockpits" of their mecha were essentially just the Thomasson in Flip Flap HQ that they use to enter PI, but shrunk down to the point where they couldn't fit into it comfortably. A familiar space suddenly made unfamiliar by the uncertain dimensions of their growing bodies.

You can consider this another facet of Cocona's confrontation with change from episode 6&7. She's now facing unavopidable change in the world around her that manifests in the way she fits into the environment, in the way she locates herself in the space around her and in how she finds her place in what was once familiar but now is changed. The emphasis on her body's dimensions, particularly her exaggerated butt and her size relative to the space around her, were physical representations of Cocona's conflicted feelings regarding the changes happening in her life (eg. iroha) and how she coped with them.
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So, Cocona is Salt wife after all?
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>>150152551
by her tight space, yeah.
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>>150152589
>This is pasta now
Why?
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>>150147302
>fanservice ruined Flip Flap
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So we are using this thread? Good.
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i want to learn moar about gay magical girls
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So we are witnessing what happens when a show's preorders are scaring the production company. They barge into the room and say "listen, you've got to make the show sexier."

It's too bad. We could have had an instant classic but Japan's shit taste in anime has ruined yet another show.
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>>150152852
No. This is not the thread.
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>>150152852
>So we are using this thread?
No? We are using this thread. >>150152557

Leave bait-kun to bump his thread alone on his own.
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>>150153024
Migrating to >>150152557
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For those complaining about the fanservice, you do realize modesty/immodesty is one of the ways they're showing Cocona's Yin and Papika's Yang, right? Which is pretty important given that the Yin/Yang contrast between the two is a central theme. It's not gratuitous.
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>>150147302
Sadly I have to agree at least somewhat, I think the show would be better if it maintained a bit more innocence. There are already so many fanservice shows.
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>>150153024
Nope, this one has more posts and we should use it
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>>150153054
That feels so trite since so many other magical-girl-shows-for-otaku have already paved the way by doing that and FliFla seems like it should be above such overdone "depth."
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>>150148154
>Everyone is here >>150146542
Then who was thread?
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So we are witnessing what happens when a show becomes popular with normalfags. They barge into the thread and say "listen, you've got to keep the show mature for mature viewers like me."

It's too bad. We could have had fun threads but 4chan's shit crossboarders have ruined yet another fanbase.
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>>150153294
Yeah, didn't know the fanservice-ruining-shows meme had gotten so strong here.
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>>150152392
>>150152442
I made one myself
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>>150153277
Some newfag that made this thread while the last thread was not even on bump limit.
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>>150140580
Will they ever learn?
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>>150153054
>You don't get it, you guys. That picture of Cocona's fat ass taking up the entire screen is just a metaphor.
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>>150153414
>newfag calling a newfag a newfag
Everytime. I bet you think this is all genuine too.
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>>150153461
>trying to fit in
Welcome!
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>>150153233
I don't think this show is trying that hard to be deep, honestly, it's just artsy, imaginative, and tries to show instead of tell. It lacks the pretentiousness that DEEP anime usually have.
>>150153433
>no fun allowed
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>>150153294
[spoilers]if you want to know, the reddit thread on this episode does not complain about the fanservice at all. they also think everything is a code geass reference though.[/spoiler]
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We are witnessing a once great show in decline.

No matter how many times I see it happen, it still breaks my heart.
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>That snippet at the end
>calling her by the wrong name
oh no.
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>>150141308
Fantastic animation, makes me want to pick it up
But I know I'm too cynic to enjoy it as an adult. Tried an episode from Black/White a few years ago and got bored
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>>150140580
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>>150153651
I really hope they're gonna double trick us, starting with making us believe there's gonna be a bad ending, then making the sweetest, happiest ending there is. but it's more likely going to end up with the usual dark twist and sadness, which I ALREADY hate
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What did they mean by this?
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>>150153598
Nice pointless and failed spoiler tags, faggot. And this stinks more of t/u/mblr actually.
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>>150153760
I can't see it ending that way at least. I could see a huge twist at episode 12 with 13 being the happy end though.
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>>150153796
vagina
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>>150153796
Tight space crushing him
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ass check
How many times has this shot been posted?
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>>150154965
I want to honk it
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>>150155000
Get in the line.
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>>150154965
My wife Cocona has such a cute butt
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>>150153433
>Cocona's fat ass taking up the entire screen
I you examine it closely you'll see there's only about 1/3 of a screen's worth of Cocobutt. They could have fit more ass there, but shot composition in this show really has some thought behind it.
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Yayaka was pretty cute this ep. Hope she makes it to end alive.
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>>150154965
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>>150155208
>red in the center with blue and yellow on either side
This whole episode was sentai as fuck.
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>>150154965
are we going to ignore that fucking nose too?
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>>150155235
My wife Cocona is so cute
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>>150139316
yes, faggot
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>Three Flip Flappers threads
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>>150144115
only for homos
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>>150158434
There's only two.
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Oh man.
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>>150158541
>That makes it better
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>>150158575
Translate it, dweeb
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>>150158577
It objectively does.
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>>150158434
>popular show gets parallel threads on its airing day
Literally nothing wrong with this. Go back to your homo general and cry there.
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>>150158593
Yayaka's hair ornament as a middle schooler was likely given to her by Cocona as a kid.
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>>150158575
>>150158623
BRAVO
R
A
V
O
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>>150158619
>FLFL
>popular
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>>150135504
Was this an angel?
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>>150158575
That's a nice touch. She normally has a ribbon on though. I wonder if that's just for swim class or if she's regressing to that because she wants Cocona to notice her.
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>>150159003
This episode already foreshadowed we'll have a Copaya ending, I'm sure it'll all work out.
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>>150139186
> Flip Flappers is basically Psychonauts
Huh.
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>>150159579
OH SHIT
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>>150159609
WHY ARE WE SHOUTING
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Triples say that Papika's a robot
Doubles say that Papika will die.
Singles say that none of that shit will happen and we'll have a comfy show.
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>>150160142
Your numbers are weak.

Papika and Yayaka are halves of the same person.
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>>150135411
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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>>150159579
it's more Kingdom Hearts than Psychonauts.
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>>150139316
It's parody of older mecha/space shows with their mech selling flight suits.
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>>150135411
It changed? Show is still lol random shit without plot, exactly like in the past 7 weeks. But I will take robo fights over muh alzheimers any day.
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>>150160347
This is the wrong thread. Everyone is ignoring this thread.
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Occhan is so damn cool
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>>150160483
He's the opposite of cool, he's a chuuni manlet dork
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>>150158575
That's some
d e e p
lore
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>>150160504
>he's a chuuni manlet dork
Yeah that's pretty cool
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>>150160483
>can build planet-sized city all by himsefl
>cannot build few canons and missiles to protect it
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>>150160603
>lives alone
>builds 3 robots that must be piloted separately and work together to be effective
Just wasn't really thinkin', was he?
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>>150160603
Have you learned nothing
Mechas can only be fought with other mechas
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>>150159745
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>>150160661
Looks like this rule has been broken.
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>>150160746
They're fighting with mecha components, it still counts.
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>>150160774
Oh mistah Papika, Ah do declare!
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>>150160783
Ah okay then.
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Have any more info images been made? I saw a few for episode 1.
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>>150141224
https://youtu.be/qupqk-WWxSo

Gridman much
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>>150158577
>muh general
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>>150160746
Horizon did it much better.
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>>150148123
So your argument boils down to “I can’t show this to my normalfag friends”?
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>>150135411
>Really feeling that writer change

In a good way? Or a bad way?

Can't watch the episode yet and want to know if I should be excited.
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>>150166252
In a baiting way. The episode was great.
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>>150141272
>>150141360
that show sucked absolute fucking cockdick, grow up already.

fucking loser bakayaro
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>school swimsuits the whole episode
this one was hard for me.
also is the other twin a girl too?
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>>150166252
Did you read the quote in the OP image? That's what's being referred to. I know people go into a rage when anything about FLFL is criticized. I love the show too. But I'm obviously not the only one who feels the writing has gotten weaker in the last two episodes.

I don't think it's that Yuniko was an amazing writer or anything. Episode 4 is one of my favourites and she didn't write that one. It's just these last two episodes were sort of blah.
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>>150170675
I feel that way too, but the OP tried really hard to police people into going to this thread specifically, he deserved to be mocked.
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>>150170675
Yuniko wasn't even writing the 4th and 6th episode and people didn't notice then either. You shitposting Fuck.
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>>150170791
Did you read my post?

I didn't know she didn't write 6 either. Whoever did did a good job.
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>>150170791
Only 4th, 6th was her last one
And current writter came with yayaka hairstyle for the 5th episode
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>>150170819
Meant 4th and 7th. Either way nobody complained last week. OP is just a faggot.
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>>150170487
Kill youself you autistic fuck bumping you're shitty dead thread with meaningless comments when it was at the bottom of page 10. Pathetic.
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>>150160142
The whole thing was pure illusion and Cocona is lying in comatose state. Salt is her father.
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>>150170966
>Either way nobody complained last week
That's not true, several people said that last weeks episode wasn't as good directed as what we've seen so far.
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>>150171071
For that matter, a lot of people felt episode 4 was weaker than the previous ones too, but that might have just been because episode 3 was the previous week and that one was one of the best.
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>>150171071
Yeah people also complained about episode 2. And episode 3. And holy shit episode 5.

Good fuck the show is ruined and random bullshitting anons were totally factually right and objective!
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>>150171167
Why are you getting so worked up? Does it make you this angry that some people have opinions different from yours?
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>>150141308
They are on the second island already?

Also, Lillie CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT when?
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>>150174614
They all go in the same school, no traveling this time
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>>150174708
Why would anyone watch that shit then?
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>>150148123
That's a lot of words for coming out
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Well fuck.
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>>150171059
l-lewd
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The animation is so awkward. I felt it from the first episode but it's really bad now. It looks like a bad imitation of typical webgen shit. Cuts feel disconnected from one another, sometimes it's impossible to keep track of what's going on because of perspective changes every 2 seconds with low-detail animation that destroys the surroundings. Mob Psycho had the same problems sometimes but nowhere close to the extent of Floppers. 4/10
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>>150178321
Also forgot to mention the colors were mostly awful this episode.
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>>150178321
I feel this too, especially the scene with Iro's parents in episode 6. just looks painfully awkward.
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>>150178663
I assume you're baiting since that's like the one scene that's well animated in the series.
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>>150178321
And then you get crap like this. I mean seriously, it's like studio 3hz never learned how to draw.
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>>150178732
>vlcsnap
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>>150178732
>png
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>>150178803
What the... why would VLC dump images in PNG?

I am truly sorry my fellow autists, I had no idea my software was doing that. I will take steps to correct it immediately.
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>>150178732
>that neck
>that arm

Holy fuck
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>>150178921
more like >that cg background
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>>150178857
>1.5MB of upscaled nothing
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Here is this better?
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>>150179082
depends, is it a deliberate stylistic choice?
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>>150179082
>>150179082
Now that's... weird. Or impressive. I meant to pad it out with zeroes so it'd be over 8 megs in size, but apparently it stripped those out.
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I want to fuck Pops
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>>150153682
made me laugh
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>>150178663
I want this meme to die
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>>150179188
Does 4chan automatically resample gifs?
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>>150148857
Now this is some impressive ASD.
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>>150160774
Why is Japan so obsessed with putting girls/women in situations of sexual discomfort?
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>>150179367
Someone doesn't understand female sexuality
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>>150179389
is that someone you?
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>>150179440
yeah, you
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>>150154965
Is she a slut?
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>>150158575
now this is deepest lore
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>>150178732
Kill yourself, newfag.
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>>150179367
To elicit a response from the viewer in the form of a subconscious desire to provide comfort to the actor. If instead a viewer finds such fictional contexts problematic, then it elicits a response in the form of discomfort. Maybe the creators just think it's cute. Cocona has always been uncomfortable with her body but Papika gives zero fucks. Characterization, you know?
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>>150178321
Oh, someone with a brain actually browses these threads.
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>>150178732
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>>150178321
Oh, someone with shit taste actually browses these threads.
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>>150180355
I see I triggered a nitwit.
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>>150160504
His behavior is what counts.

He was chill with being called Occhan, he helped the flip flaps defeat the monsters, he helped Yayaka come to terms with her feelings of protectiveness for others, he snatched the gem away from the monotone twins, he was chill with parts of his city getting destroyed and even used that event to help Cocona come to terms with the fact that people change and it's not always a bad thing.

No matter how you look at it, Pops is god damned cool.
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>>150179191
Nigger you gay
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>>150180584
As said, Pops is best boy. There's no contest.
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Animation and visual direction are great and all, but the overall direction feels really mediocre.
Outside of the spooky episode, almost all of the other episodes weren't that exciting.
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Yo I missed the speculah for this episode so any kind anon mind filling me in? What did this PI represent and did anything change in the real world?
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>>150180966
it was deep and smart, see >>150154965
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>>150181053
smartass
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>>150155208
I liked her better when she was slick and confident instead of just being a stammering tch-dere.
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>>150181078
nice
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>>150178321
The animation seems fine but I'm not anime expert
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>>150181205
AMAI!
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>>150181278
I'm a long-time anime veteran and one of the top dogs of /a/, I know what I'm talking about.
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>>150180966
The PI was Hidaka's and Bu-chan's. Hidaka was pretty much Pops and the evil robot was Bu-chan, evidenced by him being broken after it was all over. Nothing changed in the real world. Some people will try to tell you that Sayuri changed, but they don't know basic human interaction.
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>>150180837
I don't think excitement is what they want, let alone need, in every episode. I don't see that as evidence of "mediocre" direction. Episodes 3, and 8 were definitely exciting even if you didn't feel it. Even 1 and 2 had high tension at times.

>>150180837
The PI was essentially a manifestation of the relationship between Hidaka(creator) and Bu(creation). Some suggest that the huge monster destroying the city was an exaggeration of Sayuri pressuring Hidaka to clean up his shit. I maintain the impression that Pops was a manifestation of the 2 sides of Hidaka. He has a similar color scheme shown in pic related. Since Hidaka programs him, Bu is essentially an extension of himself and behaves the way he wants him to. Bu has demonstrated himself to be quite a pervert, so it's not crazy to think Hidaka is one as well. He just hides it around people and uses Bu as an outlet.
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>>150181338
second paragraph meant to quote >>150180966
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It was /m/ without CGI. That is good enough animation for me.
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>>150180837
>visual direction
Kill yourself.
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>>150181338
My personal evidence of mediocre direction is that none of the scenes are really that gripping. We had plenty of emotional scenes but they felt really mediocre. The fun scenes didn't feel as fun as they should've been as well.
The director is new, right? I know they are going for more episodic showcases of visual direction but the narrative feels so sporadic between episodes.
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>>150181534
The director is still the same and he will stay.
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>>150181534
>My personal evidence of mediocre direction is that none of the scenes are really that gripping. We had plenty of emotional scenes but they felt really mediocre. The fun scenes didn't feel as fun as they should've been as well.
You're not doing a very good job at explaining this
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>>150181338
Regarding real world changes, the PI brain planet gets damaged by the mecha beam and we later see Bu breaking down. Perhaps it's a coincidence, perhaps not. It would seem that Hidaka also got rid of all the boxes that were cluttering up his station space and frustrating Sayuri.. She noticed that he stopped being such a possessive manchild and offered to make him tea, which she refused to do at the start of the episode.
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>>150181338
I want them to talk to Hidaka about what happened in that PI for some reason. I don't know why-- seems like such a mundane thing, but it just seems like it'd give some nice context to the characters.

Also it would make sense. Cocona always wanted to ask Iro about her nail polish since she feels somewhat responsible for what happened. She may want to check in with Hidaka, if she has any idea that PI had anything to do with him, to make sure he's OK with it.
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>>150181569
Basically scenes with obvious build up fall flat all the time, almost every episode. I'm guessing it's because of the director.
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>>150181534
>none of the scenes are really that gripping
I'd say that's a matter of taste. I haven't been this gripped by an anime in a decent while. This season in particular has nothing else remotely as enjoyable in my opinion. The narrative is definitely limited, but I like the fact that the show is far more interpretive and referential than expository.
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>>150181740
For a claim like that you have to give examples.
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>>150178321
This is a bad imitation of someone intelligent
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>>150181789
>I like the fact that the show is far more interpretive and referential than expository
I think I know what you're saying, but whut?

Are you talking about how it just shows you things and lets you make your own connections? If so, I'm 100% with you there.

Anime, even really good anime, seems to explain way too much.
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>>150181740
Like episodes 3 and 8 that had an amazing climax? Like episode 6 with its incredibly focused narrative? And heck, even 1 and 2 are very climactic, if anything you could criticize the opposite, the lack of buildup.
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Why did the writer change?
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>>150181845
Like for example, people are going nuts over the fact that Bu was broken after this PI, wondering whether he was damaged in the PI world, or if his damage comes from the girls having fallen on him.

A normal anime would have taken a few minutes to explain "Oh no, we fell on him and now he's damaged!" or "Oh no, he's suddenly damaged out of nowhere! He must have taken metaphysical damage in PI!"

In the end, it doesn't matter at all to the story. It's a peripheral detail that can be safely cropped out of our tight, focused narrative picture.

In the end, stories are about imparting emotions, not about imparting collections of fictional facts.
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>>150181790
Like the first time they went into Pure Illusion. It was a really well done episode, visually, but in my opinion it didn't quite convey the atmosphere. And Cocoa's transition between being completely against it and enjoying it felt awkward, like when they pulled transformations out of nowhere.

>>150181789
Goes without saying that it's a matter of taste. Though I do sympathize that I do find this season not really gripping in general. Both Euphonium and Natsume have been disappointing so far, and I'm only really enjoying Time Bokan. If I had to say what anime grips me the most, it would be Nyanbo.
Waiting warmly for KnK
Flip Flap is definitely less expository which is a good thing in my opinion but I also find the interactions between the leads really stale.
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>>150182102
>In the end, stories are about imparting emotions, not about imparting collections of fictional facts.
That's a really good way of putting it.
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>>150182116
So is it
>didn't quite convey the atmosphere
or
>scenes with obvious build-up fall flat
?
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>>150182116
>Both Euphonium and Natsume have been disappointing
oh come on fuck off
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>>150182116
>And Cocoa's transition between being completely against it and enjoying it felt awkward
We've been over this before. A lot of people think they just implied that transition, Cocona gradually getting comfortable with Papika and wacky adventures, because it would take too long to explicitly show that happening.

I wouldn't mind at all a few extra episodes that tell these early stories, showing how their relationship grew in its early stages, but the truth of the matter is that other anime has done that already. We pretty much intuitively know how it all unfolded.
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>>150181845
>it just shows you things and lets you make your own connections
Yeah that's what I was talking about. Rather than thinking about why we are being shown these strange worlds and what the lasting effect will be from the characters' meddling, I like think about the inspiration for what we see. Is there something that exists outside this show that the creators are referencing? Do these references have a particular meaning that could be related to the show's themes or characters? Instead of giving you a narrative that has a specific end result, the show gives you questions that may not have any answer. It makes you think about the possibilities rather than the objective truth. I hope that makes some sense. It's difficult to express my thoughts about this show clearly.
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>>150181792
This is a good imitation of someone dumb.
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guess if i say "mediocre" a lot do you think eventually someone will believe me
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>>150182203
Building up the atmosphere and having Papika's suicide run falling flat emotionally :^)

>>150182221
I haven't watched Eupho past the episode that was half reused animation so I don't know how it's doing now, but Natsume is veering away from weekly youkai stuff for the weaker exorcist stuff and it's gotten pretty boring.

>>150182222
I wasn't in the threads for that, but really the reason they gave for Cocona going back (at first to protect Papika, and now she finds it fun) felt like mere reasons, a small effort that somewhat works but isnt well thought out. I find it difficult to really feel their motivation to go into Pure Illusion.
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>>150182448
Cocona never had any motivation until this episode. She just goes with the flow, it's part of her initial depressed character who has no direction in life.

I'd go into wacky adventures with no reason too.
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>>150182448
We don't know exactly what's going on in Papika's head yet.

Cocona does it to be with Papika, and because it's fun. After she found out it had real consequences, she had to take an episode and a half to come to the conclusion that there were things inside of PI worth protecting.
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>>150182222
I'd like to add that each girl saved the other's life so that could speed up a relationship quite a bit. Cocona probably feels a responsibility to watch over Papika while Papika is very eager to go to PI with her. Getting to PI the first time was with Cocona, so she likely grew attached thanks to that. She's more aware of the danger thanks to Cocona, but she feels like they will protect each other when things get rough.
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>>150135411

>>150182519
>>150182519
>>150182519

Final reminder thread for /a/ sings. Now up to Thirty.
Get in here you fucks!
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>>150182448
Also, the problem with the suicide run, if there was anything, was that the stakes were some as of now irrelevant glasses. That's more of a writing thing I'd say, the scenes themselves were well done. People by ep1 were speculating that the glasses had some undisclosed significance, like being a memento from her parents or something like that, but it was never brought up again (and if they try to bring it up at this point it'd feel awkward imo)
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>shameless fan service: the show
FliFla discarded.
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>>150182819
We don't understand Papika's motivations. She's pretty much explicitly a fay, if the ending is anything to go by.
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>>150182819
In a way it showed how abnormal Papika is. Cocona was worried about her glasses and Papika immediately chases after the monstrous creatures with no concern for her own well being. She's a drone that follows orders or tries to please her master. The insignificance of the glasses only exaggerates how easily Papika would risk her life just because she was told to or thought she should. There's still a chance she isn't even (entirely)human.
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This show is hollow and contrived.
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>>150183297
wtf I hate Floppers now
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>>150182983
disgusting
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>>150183297
Still better than my life
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>>150183297
>This show is hollow and contrived.
So's your face.
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>>150183297
thank you for correcting the record
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>>150180837
It's because the tension is manufactured. It doesn't feel true because nothing makes sense inside PI.

>mecha fight gigantic monster for no reason
>already clear that they're going to win since the beginning
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>>150183528
>already clear that they're going to win since the beginning

are you on the edge of your seat every time goku gets into a fight
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>>150183926
Don't you understand? He is too mature for this show and already knows who wins the important and serious fights.
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>>150183926
yes
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>>150183528
>tension is manufactured
This is true for literally anything fictional. The aspects of a work of fiction are manufactured by the creators. You might say that tension comes naturally as a result of good writing, characters, plot, or whatever. It's still manufactured by the creator. You could argue that the tension doesn't FEEL natural and that's a fair point, but this doesn't seem to be the kind of show that relies on realism or natural progression.
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>>150153359
looks great anon, good job
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>>150158727
it really is quite popular though
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>>150178321
>it confuses me so it's shit
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>>150153538
Enjoy your stay on /a/, newfriend.
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>>150185807
It has hardcore fans that everyone else despises.

Generally they are trannies.
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I really dislike the web-gen approach to animating explosions. It just looks like fucking shit.
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>>150183528
I felt shot to shot the directing/storyboarding was pretty clumsy in this episode. Episode 3 was an insane sakugafest too but didn't suffer with any unclear direction like this one did.
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>>150187722
You could at least provide an example if you want anyone to take your worthless opinion even remotely seriously.

>>150187642
>hardcore fans that everyone else despises
sounds like most of the posters on this website
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>>150160746
fuck off
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>>150187945
I'm referring to the majority of the explosions in the latest, particularly explosion-heavy episode of Flip Flappers. I would have thought that was obvious, did you really need me to illustrate what I meant? We are all here talking about Flip Flappers, right?

The first couple of explosions they appeared to try to make them resemble an explosion as we would expect them to look, you know, so we can recognise them as explosions, but pretty quickly they become just formless orange blobs. It's symptomatic of not drawing with lines, but instead just using a fat digital brush. They give up on even attempting to describe any sort of form with it. It's just expanding, poorly in-betweened blobs.
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>>150186786
Really? This is what you got from that post? Why do I have the impression that /a/ is full of by shallow minded teenagers?
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>>150181534
FliFla really don't want to be serious business.
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>>150188466
Fuck off back to MAL or whatever other shithole you came from, cunt
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>>150188376
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>>150188466
Leave the board and it'll improve, even if only very slightly.
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>>150187642
This
Plus the other thread is pure circlejerk cancer, it's some serious mental damage
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>>150188376
>quickly they become just formless orange blobs
Would more realistic explosions match the environmental style of this PI?
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>>150188545
Please throw me more buzzwords, newfriend-kun.
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>>150188622
>implying this thread doesn't have it's own fair share of serious mental damage
see
>>150187945
>>150188152
>>150188545
>>150188549
>>150188622
>>150188707
This misplaced hostility doesn't add any value to your posts, especially when that's all they offer. Why not go outside and just scream at a passerby, since noise is all you're capable of in place of conversation.
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>>150188775
? No, that's quite different. It's just /a/ being /a/

The other thread is pure cancer
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>>150187722
It's a pale imitation of Norio Matsumoto and Satoru Utsunomiya's simplified approach towards drawing effects.
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>>150188376
>in the latest, particularly explosion-heavy episode
You should have said this or specified with that screen shot to begin with. I agree that the explosions are pretty average. That one in particular is definitely bad. It doesn't bother me to the point that I feel the need to bash it anonymously. I don't mind somewhat shittier explosions if it means greater attention to other areas like character animation.

>>150188775
I won't speak for the others, but the original post >>150187722 that I replied to here >>150187945 isn't particularly valuable. It's just noise.
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>>150188376
I don't mind this very simplified style but when the animation itself isnt very good then it isnt a worthwhile tradeoff in detail.
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>>150188925
>the quality of the posts is extremely important for the community
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>>150188886
Yeah, via Shingo Yamashita, I would think. He started doing that formless outlineless stuff in Birdy Decode, like the fight at the end of S2 when trying to convey speed. In a way I agree with that approach, fast movement, if you were to try to give the effect of motion blur, would result in the loss of the black outlines, so it's kinda like the opposite of what you see Wolfsmoke really fucking overdo in their animations, with black speedlines fucking everywhere. So in that way it makes sense, but since the Japanese web-gen don't even use lines to animate, just fat blobbly brushwork, the draftsmanship is lost.
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>>150187796
That's actually a valid complaint. I found the action scenes, though well animated, pretty hard to follow. The two big fights in episode 3 had a better flow.
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>>150188622
This thread has far less posters than the other one, despite being up not as long, OP. If anything, this is a circle jerk continuously bumped when reaching page 10.
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>>150189129
I have a feeling a lot of these animators don't really think in scenes, just in cuts.

Which is why I consider it so damaging when sites like sakugabooru just present you with fucking soundless gifs of single cuts, you need sound and editing to make a scene work, not 298953 keyframes and effects.
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>>150188957
>You should have said this or specified with that screen shot to begin with.
Did I really need to that much? I'm sorry but I'm posting about explosions in a Flip Flappers thread that was one of many in a weird hurried mess to post new threads immediately after the release of a new episodes. If you can't infer from my post that I'm talking about the explosions in the latest episode of Flip Flappers then I don't know what to say. I said what I said assuming that we had all seen the episode and all of its explosions.

And my admittedly brief post saying I don't like those explosions, you may just think it's noise and holds no value, I didn't dedicate myself to expanding on my opinion because I thought, us all here having presumably seen the episode and understanding that I was talking about the explosions in it, would at least have an inkling of why I feel this way about them even if you don't agree. You forced me to expand on my opinion anyway.

At least what I had to say was an opinion about the contents of the show. All those other posts I quoted there seem to be nothing much but "you're shit, your opinion sucks, you should shut up and go away". That's hardly a discussion and its even less of a discussion about Flip Flappers.
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>trying to eat electrical cables

fucking brain damage
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>>150189455
this
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>>150189455
No, she's a smart girl!
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>>150189364
Exactly, for example these two shots are supposedly of the same explosion. There's no coherence to it.

(there are other examples I'm just using this one because it's what I was looking at)
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>>150189219
>this is a circle jerk
You are retarded.
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>>150189440
>"you're shit, your opinion sucks, you should shut up and go away"
The original post that elicited those responses essentially said "flip flappers explosions are shit, web-gen approach to animation of explosions sucks" so you get what you give basically.

>didn't dedicate myself to expanding on my opinion
That's exactly what makes people give shallow insults in response, especially when the opinion is a negative one.
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>>150188695
rays spreading outward from a central point with broken geometric shapes flying apart?
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>>150189889
My bad. Most of the responses you quoted here >>150188775 were unrelated to the comment chain I was thinking of. I'll retract my first statement about getting what you give. The internet is bloated with ignorance and emotion and that sucks ass. I don't know what else to say.
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>>150189889
But as I said:
a) at least it was a comment about something in the show rather than an empty attack at a poster, and
b) when asked to expand on my opinion, I did.
It's more worthy a post than "Fuck off back to MAL or whatever other shithole you came from, cunt", I don't see how you can argue otherwise.
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>>150189600
An explosion is not a static image. It has different phases and when it's in greater flux it makes more sense to render it with simpler forms, so that it is able to give a greater sense of motion.

The fact that you can only notice this shit in freeze frames really shows how little difference it really makes, and how little you really know about animation.
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>>150189088
I don't think many web gen animators use those lineless blobs for smears like Yamashita, but the simplified smoke effects seem to have caught on. Not many have good timing and are able to give the smoke volume though. Norio Matsumoto's depiction of fire, smoke, and water in Naruto 133 is an excellent example of how to execute that simplified style.
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>>150190158
I took back what I said >>150190106 and I appreciate your respectfulness
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>>150190178
Okay, here. Look. You made me get off my arse, turn on my other computer and make a webm for you. The addition of movement does nothing to save this shit from looking bad and lazy.

>>150190332
Well that's because Matsumoto is of course, in simplifying his animation, whittling down years of experience and knowledge to get to the final result. It's economising his draftmanship into simplicity, but it's concise, informed.

Yamashita and the rest of the web-gen, while they can create great stuff if they put their minds to it, can't animate effortlessly like he can. They don't have the discipline to get there. It always felt like a misstep to me how they would end up actually entering into the industry and animating their own cuts so quickly, without going through the filter that is the traditional approach (you know, starting off as a lower rank like an inbetweener and rising up through the system). It's like they've been gifted the position without gaining the necessary skills that are usually granted by the journey to get there.

Yamashita's work in the Naruto/Pain fight episode really stuck out to me. Even if we ignore "that" particular shot the episode is famous for, the effects animation in his parts are pretty bad. For the web-gen, fire, smoke, water... it's all the same.

>>150190389
Yeah, thanks I saw that. Conversations here can be confusing. I just want to talk anime. Being anonymous makes people so unnecessarily hostile. I know 4chan (and even all of the rest of the internet) has its ways, I've been coming here for over a decade. It just gets frustrating. The attempt to anonymously disrupt and be hostile towards other anonymous people having their own anonymous discussions about things they enjoy... why does anyone put so much effort into that? It's needlessly disruptive and a waste of energy on their part and ours in our attempts to struggle through it when we shouldn't have to. And as a result the hostility infects us all.
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>>150191206
Getting mad at 3 second clouds not living up to muh standards is why nobody likes sakugafags. That is a decent shot, maybe not the finest of fire clouds ever rendered in anime, but come the fuck on. Get over it.
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Cocona has a fat butt!!!!

A BIG FAT BUTT!!!
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>>150191492
It's not just that one shot. I've just been sticking to that one because it exemplifies the point I'm making and I can't be bothered to trawl through the episode to screencap the other examples.
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>>150191492
He isn't getting mad and makes a good point. It's more like a lava lamp than an explosion. He's just putting down his thoughts about a specific scene or scenes, not shitting on everything and making generalizations. If it's such a horrible thing that people go into detail with their criticism or opinions, then it's no wonder people think this place has gone to shit.
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>>150171059
They had to go deeper?
Maybe he sent them they inside her to try to save her from her coma.
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AOTY, even if it flip flopped.
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>>150140825
They're the Mexicans of Mexico.
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>>150191206
That explosion looks perfectly fine. I don't know what you're so mad about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhBxfNm3rJE

Watch this video. Pay close attention to explosions on the horizon at night or dusk. Notice how, through the glare of dust and poor visibility, a lot of times explosions kind of blur into an undifferentiated gradient?

As a matter of fact, if the explosion had more definition to it, more heterogeneous mashes of color, it would muddle the foreground silhouettes into unrecognizability.

Artists don't just draw these kind of things from memory. They find video or photographic reference. Your critique of it being "unrealistic" only shows that you have no idea what real things actually look like, and therefore have no grounds critique. You are obviously not an artist either, or you'd have realized that a lot of times things like this require you to make decisions, to balance economy of detail on one plane to make things pop on another.
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>>150193182
yeah i guess it looks the same if you are blind
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>>150193182
>As a matter of fact, if the explosion had more definition to it, more heterogeneous mashes of color, it would muddle the foreground silhouettes into unrecognizability.
You're not making an argument here, you're stating this as fact and hoping we don't question it despite providing no examples and not explaining your reasoning.

Of course it's possible to give the explosion more definition without making it a cluttered, difficult to read mess, and there's no reason that would affect the almost solid black silhouetted figures that are in front of it. What are you even saying? With how bright it is and the seemingly lit up atmosphere between the explosion and the figures in the foreground, you could easily get away with the different tones of the explosion being relatively low in contrast to each other.

Look for example at Yoh Yoshinari's explosions. They're well defined, are stylishly drawn, have nice timing to their animation, and, when it comes down to it, the technique he uses for his explosions is relatively simple, there's a reason so many other animators copy him. His explosions aren't even particularly realistic, and I don't see where you think I brought realism into my argument outside of hoping for an explosion to be recognisable as an explosion rather than a few formless, layered blobs of colour. If you want more realistic explosions, look at Kakita's explosions. He really specialises in explosions so I wouldn't necessarily expect any random animator to draw them as well as him, but his look like explosions. These are the result of actual observation, unlike the shot we've been debating here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk1nAcYZwuQ

For the record, I literally have a degree in animation, useless though that turned out to be. I understand economy and balance, and the importance of observation. My argument that these shots could look better is not an argument for it being the most complicated, overworked explosion ever animated.
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>>150194755
Your problem is that you're a math artist (or is that autist?) You care more about technical execution of something than the overall impression it conveys.
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>>150194755
Yeah, you have a degree in 4chan shitposting
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>>150195444
Perhaps you've never animated, but a huge chunk of animation IS math. It can't be avoided.

And my problem is that I've volunteered too much of my time for you. I'm going to bed.
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>>150195668
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you chose wrong going into the arts. You would have been better served in comp-sci or construction.

You approach the arts as this thing where you have a list of things that a piece MUST do in order to be considered "good." I get the same shit from people I know who are big into music theory-- "All new music is crap. Everything is just 4/4 tempos and they wouldn't know how to properly time a dissonant chord progression if it bit them on the eye!" They have robbed the medium of all enjoyment and heart.

Also, every "math" artist I've ever known has zero originality, and their own artistic output is crap. As teachers they take all the fun out of everything they touch.

Understand, I still think you're wrong on the technical points, but I stopped caring enough a while ago to really go into it with you. I think you've completely missed the point of art.
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>>150195949
And before you harp on this, I DO believe it's important to have standards. I do think it's really helpful to have a culture of critique, and to encourage the best from everyone. My point is that people like you go beyond just wanting good things to having unreasonable standards, disqualifying things for their faults without the absolutely necessary counterpart of recognizing things for their value.
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>>150195949
>>150196071
How much do think is being said with this shot? >>150191206

It's not exactly ripe with meaning. The overall impression it's trying to convey is not much more than "the explosion is overwhelmingly big while they are tiny figures." This impression could be further reinforced by having the explosion be out of focus, making the characters look even tinier, like shooting miniatures with a tight DoF, which would also help obscure the fact barely any real effort has gone into the animation of the explosion.

There are ways to improve most things. I don't see how my initial complaint that web-gen animators can be pretty fucking sloppy when it comes to effects animation, which was quite specific and frankly my own opinion (although I didn't expect it to be this fucking difficult to get people to agree with me), really holds much sway on the artistic integrity of the anime as a whole. This discussion has only ended up this way because you're bringing that into it.

I would prefer that these explosions look better and that's my preference. Keep pushing me to explain why I think this, and keep coming back to me with arguments that make little sense, whether you're trying to argue that it does look technically fine and that I should shut up, or you're trying to argue that it's not important how well it's drawn, it's how it FEELS in some sort of broader context - well that's how we end up with all these posts. It''s the whole "you don't need to be a chef to say food tastes bad" thing. You brought in the question of my credentials to discuss this so I responded, and now you're attacking that, but frankly that shouldn't matter. I'm pretty technically minded, that's true, but I don't think that somehow means I'm blind to the supposed fact these shoddy drawings are perfectly fine. They look bad, and that seems to be a trend with web-gen animators. That's all I really wanted to say in the first place and I still don't think I'm wrong in saying that.
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>>150197242
Now I AM going to bed. I had hoped to be already by now but a moment ago something noisily fell over downstairs and I thought people were breaking in. Scary stuff, woke me right up.
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>>150197242
Couldn't stay away eh?

>This impression could be further reinforced by having the explosion be out of focus, making the characters look even tinier, like shooting miniatures with a tight DoF, which would also help obscure the fact barely any real effort has gone into the animation of the explosion.
In Battlefield Earth, they thought every scene could be improved by employing a dutch angle. What could originally be used to impress upon the viewer some uneasiness in a situation soon lost all its meaning, and just made gave people motion sickness. I think you'd be making a similar mistake by demanding that kind of detail out of this scene.

Animation isn't like real life. Detail is dynamic. Models are drawn more simply when they're farther away, and animations are more fluid when something important is happening. Detail is a tool in anime, the same as light/shadow and sound design. can be used as a means to draw attention to important things. If you overload the viewer with detail, put it on every mundane surface, fill up every frame, you deprive yourself of the use of that tool for the really important things, the soaring moments of emotional impact.

I looked up that Naruto episode that someone name dropped earlier in the thread-- and while the smoke effects are nice, the entire scene is emotionally flat. It's just them fighting and kicking up dust etc. Nothing really stands out. Is that really your artistic vision?

It's often more about what you leave out that what you stuff in.
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What's this about writer change?
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>>150197242
> I didn't expect it to be this fucking difficult to get people to agree with me
Another thing you've gotten very wrong. If you express opinions just seeking to force others to agree with you, then you don't understand the reason we even have the concept of an opinion. Opinions aren't objective. You can't expect other people to share them.

I responded to you because you were implying that this was some objective travesty upon the medium, and I'm here to say it's really not. That explosion gets its point across, looks realistic enough, and fits nicely with the overall flow of the scene and established look of the world the characters exist in. I don't understand what you mean that it "looks bad." It's simplistic, yes. Lazy? Maybe. But if so it's an acceptable shorthand. It. Looks. Fine.

The choreography of that relatively unimportant fight scene was clumsy, I agree, and we would not have had this argument if that was your only critique. What I object to is your pedantic focus on something with almost ZERO importance to the overall enjoyability of the work.

It would not be improved by much if at all if they went through and replaced every effect you didn't like with something more sakuga-ey.

Seriously you kids are making me start to hate sakuga.
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>>150198160
The first few episodes were written by one writer, and the last ones are going to be written by someone else. There was a rumor he/she had been fired, but it turned out that's just how they divided up the writing duties while the show was in production.

I was scared for a while too, but episode 8 proved this is still the same old flip flaps we've always loved.

Episode 7 didn't have poor writing IMO. It was just that the tone of that episode was very different from the rest of the series. Episode 8 put us back in familiar territory and it still feels just as good.
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>>150198134
>In Battlefield Earth, they thought every scene could be improved by employing a dutch angle. What could originally be used to impress upon the viewer some uneasiness in a situation soon lost all its meaning, and just made gave people motion sickness. I think you'd be making a similar mistake by demanding that kind of detail out of this scene.
He's been saying the explosions look bad in general, but hasbeen focusing on a specific example. If he says making that one scene be out of focus would work for it, is he saying every explosion should be out of focus?
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>>150198160
Yuniko lost her job on the show unexpectedly in January. We don't know any of the circumstances or even whether she was fired or quit, except that it put her in a tight spot and she was "saved" by being offered a new gig so quickly. She still supports Flip Flappers so there doesn't seem to be much bad blood.

She is credited for the "story concept" some story composition and scripts for eps 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6. She stated that she doesn't know what happens after 6.

Anons are worried that the new scriptwriter, who is also the director, will not do the job as well as she did. On the other hand the haters were always complaining that all they ever said in the early eps was "Cocona", "Papika" so the change might be a good thing too.

Although the circumstances around this change are slightly unusual, it's not uncommon to have multiple writers for a series.
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>>150198482
>He's been saying the explosions look bad in general, but hasbeen focusing on a specific example. If he says making that one scene be out of focus would work for it, is he saying every explosion should be out of focus?
I wasn't talking about that one instance either. I'm talking about his insistence that all the effects have to look a certain particular way to be "good."

That demo reel he posted really feels flat and emotionless, and while, I'll be honest, that's might just be down to a lack of context, I don't think Moonside would necessarily feel more "right" with those kinds of explosions.

In fact, most other parts of flip flappers, with their painterly, slightly abstract backgrounds wouldn't feel right either.

There's also some stuff about economy of detail being just as important between scenes as within them, but I don't expect you to really understand that.
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>>150198699
if I'm reading the chain of posts right, here he says the same explosion looked completely different between 2 shots:
>>150189600

and here he argues even a simple drawing could still be way better than the Flip Flappers example:
>>150194755
>Look for example at Yoh Yoshinari's explosions. They're well defined, are stylishly drawn, have nice timing to their animation, and, when it comes down to it, the technique he uses for his explosions is relatively simple

they seem like valid, though nitpicky complaints. The explosion you guys are talking about isn't important in that scene, you should be looking at the characters. Maybe the 'bad' explosion drew his attention away, and that's why he thought it's worth complaining about. Opinions aren't objective but if you think they're worth arguing for, you will

>That demo reel he posted really feels flat and emotionless, and while, I'll be honest, that's might just be down to a lack of context
obviously it is
>I don't think Moonside would necessarily feel more "right" with those kinds of explosions.
is that the music, why does that matter?
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>>150191206
I think it looks fine the way it is to be honest. Nice way to cheaply draw explosions and actually have them move better than reducing everything to detailed still frames or rendering it in CGI.
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>same old web-gen sucks argument
>same old meme opinions as to why

How dull.
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>>150198539
>Yuniko lost her job on the show unexpectedly in January. We don't know any of the circumstances or even whether she was fired or quit, except that it put her in a tight spot and she was "saved" by being offered a new gig so quickly

That isn't even an accurate representation of what she tweeted about. She said she finished work on Kiniro Mosaic and Flip Flappers in January so was glad she then got work on another series. In another seperate string of tweets she was asked if it was decided from the start that she would write 5 episodes and she said no.
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>>150181534
I dont understand by your explanation what you would consider an emotionally gripping scene. I suppose they arn't introducing charactrers only to kill them off but there are plenty emotional scenes. This isn't aot, fill in some of the gaps
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>>150199405
Almost as dull as flip flopper's story (or lack of it)
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10/10 episode

10 out of 10
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>>150199575
AQUARION!
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>>150198539
>>150199491
Also she isn't credited for any story composition at all and you should really stop painting it as if it was originally planned for her to do more episodes. Confirming that it wasn't decided from the start if you would only do 5 episodes is not in any way the same as stating you were originally planned to do more.
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>>150199405
That shot of the explosion is pretty mediocre though.

But I agree not all webgen effects are accurate to that criticism.
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>people can't understand post-ironic fanservice
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>>150199650
It is mediocre but it is fine for what it is. Another anime probably would have chosen to make the same shot a static close up of the characters to avoid having to animated the explosion at all.
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>>150199726
Nobody ever said that your average anime would be better though. The original dude didn't like a style of drawing effects and he chose a particularly bad one to illustrate his point (which is the correct thing to do).
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>>150199773
It's the same point. If you can have a lower detail cheaper explosion or no depiction of it at all I prefer some depiction.
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So when is Flip Flappers going to get an English dub?

I'd like to get a chance to watch the show when it does.
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>>150199814
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>>150199814
It's not a funi show so no simuldub
And since it's neither popular nor selling well, it might not even get dubbed at all.
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>>150185366
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>>150200127
I feel like a Papika handjob would result in injuries.
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>>150200142
She'd probably try to pull your dick off or actually try and eat it.
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>>150200166
Just don't let her give you a blow job. She'll think she actually has to blow into it.
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>>150200193
>urethra insertion
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>>150200225
>Pure Illusion portal in your dick hole
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>>150200279
>they find your scrotum and proceed to punch it.
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Speaking of Unico, she said that in the beginning episode 8 was planned to be "zombie episode". And it was supposed to be a world of a different character. And the things that were supposed to happen in this episode were left for the future episode. However swimsuits that were her idea had remained.
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>>150200494
With 5 episodes left, they most likely shuffled things around so it will happen in a later episode.
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>>150200494
Where can I find this
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>>150200494
citation needed
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>>150200642

https://twitter.com/unicococ

Though it's basically the only thing she said about Flip Flappers since her episodes ended.

I also noticed that she's a Mahou Shoujo no Karei Naru Yosei fan. Which has a character named Mimi (pic related). Might be a coincidence though, it only started last year.
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>>150200718
https://twitter.com/unicococ/status/802321386085564416
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>>150139316
A day later and this post still reeks of faggot and tumblr
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>>150200764
That phrase is basically copy pasta. It's been reused for fanservice throughout the series and it always seems to get a bunch of (you)s
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>>150171059

Flip Flap is a story about the psychologist Professor Kubo using the autistic girl Papika to try to pull his sort of sorta bitchy but otherwise normal teenage daughter Kokona out of a long-term coma she fell into after being hit by a bus.

Inside her own mind she's been living out a placid pure illusion of living with a fake grandma, attending a fire hazard deathtrap of a school, and all in all just sinking deeper and deeper into unreality. Using a FUTURISTIC TUBULAR DEVICE that causes direct mind-to-mind COMMUNICATION he was able to send Papika down there.

Meanwhile, the evil illuminati inside Cocona's fantasy world are trying to KILL HER because they're her body attempting to shut down. Best Girl Yayaka is a part of her, the part trying to keep the good fight up and stay arive.

The few moments of encountering that mysterious girl on the boat while dreaming is RARE COCONA moment of self-perceptive awareness something is wrong.
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>>150200193
Well, don't call it a blowjob then. Tell her specifically what you want done.

She can smell your amorphous gem already.
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>>150201401

Add Yayaka.
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>>150201401
Can really feel that change of writers.
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>>150201448
You'll have to convince data gathering anon.
>>150139187
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>>150201401
Would be really neat if the 'break up' episode increases the distance between the lines more dramatically.
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>>150201594
Maybe, although it would also be terrible writing trying to contort the script like that for some inane symbolism that you would never rationally expect anyone to pick up on.
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>yfw they made Papika say "Cocona" as much as possible, just so when she calls her "Mimi" it would be more impactful
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>>150201680
It could just happen naturally as a result of what they are portraying.
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I liked this episode. I don't get why everyone is upset over the writer change. It got back to the same episodic feel that the earlier episodes had.

I am still worried that the ending will feel rushed.
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>>150201700
>she always says "found you!", just so when she says "lost you" will be more impactful
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>>150201787
>everyone
Nobody is. Literally just the one faggot who made this thread. There was a straw poll after the episode and the result was overwhelmingly saying that the writer change is fine.
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So this entire episode took place in Buu's mind right?
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>>150201763
I guess that would be pretty neat.

>>150201824
Did we get a "found you" this ep? I'm pretty sure we got an Amai ne.
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>>150201844

I find it funny we went thru like 4 full other threads after this one was made just to spite OP
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>>150201940
I started posting in this one just because it's the quickest way to put it out of its misery.
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>>150201906
It was indeed Bu related, but Hidaka was also part of it.
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>>150201920
"Mistuketa!" was literally the first line uttered this episode.
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>>150202003
And Sayuri.
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>>150201906
What if that is Papika's brain inside Bu? Bu was damaged from episode 8 shenanigans and now it seems like Papika's memory is fucked.
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>>150202016

But it wasn't Cocona she found this time. She found a chlorine ball(?). Clearly Papika has lost her way.
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>>150140777
It didn't change him, it was just a reflection of his mind. Did no one really catch this?

At the start, he gets mad when whatsherface touches his shit. He sits in the middle of his kingdom of tech and watches out over the world, and tinkers with his toys. Occhan was him in PI. He built the world of tech, and was mad when outsiders came and touched his shit. You were supposed to put this together at the end of the episode.

>>150140819
Nah, Bu-chan was the robot they piloted. If you notice, he wasn't around for that trip into PI, and he needed repairing when they came back. He's also Hidaka's creation (in both worlds).
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>>150201318
You could tell her to suck it like a lollipop, but she seems the kind to bite to get to the tootsie center.
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>>150202107
The whole planet was buu-chan. That's his brain >>150201787 when they did that massive blast attack then it switched back to the real world buu-chan was broken and his brain was fried.
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>>150202099
She tried to eat that and later on she started chewing on a cable which was not yummy.
What the fuck is her problem?
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>>150202107
The monster wrecking the city was the representation of sayuri too.
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>>150202181
Oh yeah, you're totally right. Can't believe I missed the enfolding there on the globe.

>>150202240
Fucking women.
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>>150202188
I'm guessing thy wanted to emphasize Papika's childishness in preparation for regaining her lost memories.
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Did Papika look younger in the flashback?
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So, I read all the threads for this episode, and
>all this sectarian conflicts
But we all love Flip Flappers, why must we fight and spill our blood, because of different ways of enjoying it?

One Flip Flap.
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>>150201940
I supposed it will survive next Thursday.

>>150202060
I'm afraid it's quite possible. Though the show is episodic by far, there might be some subtle links among auntie in ep6, senpai in ep7 and Papika in ep8, since they all suffered memory changes somehow and has become someone unfamiliar to us (and Cocona).
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Will she ever get her own PI?
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>>150202427
If she does it will be filled with extreme yuri delusions.
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>>150202392
I don't think so though buu has been damaged multiple times in the series. Uexkull even ate him in one episode.
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>>150202060
What if Bu-chan has a positronic brain and Papika is a newer model?
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>>150202440
>filled with extreme yuri delusions.
I don't want to watch 20 minutes of someone browsing /u/.
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>photoshop crashes
>meme gets flip flapped
Should I be afraid?
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>>150202340
I think so. her ahoge are shorter.
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>>150202504
Her face looks slightly more infantile too.
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>>150202504
>Papika/Cocona is Salt/Mimi
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>>150202572
no
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>>150202572
>>150202597
Wait, shit. I see where you're coming from but I still hate it.
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I'm sure Papika is going to turn out to either be a wild child of pure illusion or artificially created.
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>>150202667
She could be a little bit of both, really.
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>>150202667
I'm sure it'll all be fine and Cocona and Papika will be happy together after it's all over.
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>>150202667
>Papika is an ageless android created by Salt to serve Mimi and their family. She had an unrequited love for Mimi and is interested in Cocona because of their resemblance. She eventually falls in love with Cocona for who she is.
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>>150202709
Maybe it's one of those fate things. Where Papika and Cocona are the two halfs of direct drive. Papika the half from Pure Illusion Cocona the half from reality and together they can unite to liberate pure illusion.
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>>150202734
Oh my God I'd be fine with that.
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>>150202734
Sounds about right except for the ageless android bit. The age discrepancy could be explained if Cocona were raised in PI.
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>>150202987
>If Cocona were raised in PI
You mean if Papika were raised in PI?

Also how does Grandma fit into this scenario?
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>>150203088
>Also how does Grandma fit into this scenario?
She'll show up at the last second similar to the mother in Master of Martial Hearts. /a/ will literally explode.
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>>150203088
No, time runs faster in PI. So ~13 years for Cocona would only translate to a couple of years or months for Papika in the real world.

Bonus points if Papika's memory loss is a result of Cocona and Mimi living in a PI connected to Papika the whole time.
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>>150149376

Iroha lost the desire to paint because kokona and papika infiltrated her psych through her imagination and sorted out her issues with the older lady.

Iroha painted instead of socialised because she had underlying psychological issues, by having those issues solved by the flip flappers inadvertently removed the desire to paint (where painting is often a symptom of psychological wounds).
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>>150203241
>where painting is often a symptom of psychological wounds
I've seen some people get pissed off that FF was reinforcing that stereotype actually.
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>>150203169
Papika seems more likely to be a child of PI because she is more special. Cocona is established as a very ordinary girl, which makes her seem like a normal girl in the real world.

I wonder if PI is something Salt and Mimi created together and Mimi disappeared as she travelled into it but only Cocona survived. The event was to traumatic for Papika so Salt had to erase parts of her memory as she was malfunctioning because of it.
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>>150203272

It's a stereotype for a reason, painting is escapism and a way to express pain.

There is a reason why painting is used in psychological treatments.
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>>150203296
And Papika kept going into PI because she had been looking for Cocona (and Mimi). It'd also make sense, PI being deadly, when taking into consideration the "another bust" thing in episode 1.
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>>150183528
>the main characters are winning fights in the middle of the show
Hold the fucking presses
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>>150203442
Exactly. They didn't kill cowboy bebop until the end of the show.
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Hey /ffg/. Any chance for a quick answer on if I would enjoy this anime enough to backlog it for the lull in the Winter months?

Instant turn-offs to an anime for me:
>yuri baiting
>no plot
>no characterization
>homolust

Thanks in advance. I'll check the archive in the morning.
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>>150203586
Kill yourself.
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Yes. None of those turnoffs are present.
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>>150203586
Kill yourself
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holy fuck i wanna sniff cocona's butt
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>>150203927
Dude gross.
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I want to sniff Cocona's hair
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>>150203937
dude its so big and fat imagine the smell
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>>150203927
She's like 6 years old wtf
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>>150203998
>wtf
I want /v/ to leave
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>>150203998
bro if her age is on the cock you know the rest
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>>150203996
She poops from there.
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I want Papika to lewdly run her hands and fingers down Cocona's nubile young body slick with sweat, and have Cocona beg for more.
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>>150204024
yeah but shes a girl
she probably wipes well maybe
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>>150204036
I want Cocona to ask "Are you sure you can eat that?" only to get the reply "I'm eating it" in a lewd context.
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Nude edits when?
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>>150204412
My stats in the lower right corners say 499 posts, 91 images, 148 posters, and that it's on page 1.

The poster count is however utterly worthless anyway, since it can be easily manipulated.
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>>150141306
>>150147302
>>150148123
>>150153145
>I have watched 13 shows
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Decided to drop this this week, I feel so relieved.
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>>150153598
Reddit has actually become a lot better recently. They're actually able to come up with reasonable justifications for the fanservice. Makes you wonder where all the literal autismos are coming from.
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>>150204485
Go back
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>>150204485
Anons have posted good justifications for the fanservice in this episode, too. Not that anyone needed to.
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>>150204596
>Not that anyone needed to.
Exactly. Why does there need to be some bullshit reason like homages or whatever? The studio can do whatever the fuck they want. Blow your brains out if it troubles you so much.
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>>150205367
Yapico boy best.
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>>150189455
Maybe she's a rodent.
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>>150204412
>deleting your own post out of embarrassment because of being retarded
Haha.
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>>150204649
And everyone can think and post whatever the fuck they want, as long as it's not blatant shitposting.
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>>150206341
Cute.
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