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>>150133506
What is this face trying to convey?
>Erina's face when she sees Souma's dad
S L U T
L
U
T
When do you think Tsukuda is going to drop the "Rindou is Soma's cousin" bomb. i predict next chapter.
>>150133730
In the future that will be her face everytime Soma comes home from their restaurant after a long day ofErina taking care of their daughter
>>150133828
End.
Glad this arc seems to speed along now, with a bit of luck we'll be back to comfy settings again next year.
>>150133630
>>150133735
I really like how Souma keep calling Azami, "Nakamura". Now Jou comes and calls him that too. Azami must be triggered.
>>150133859
Yeah it seems like the author realized no one is liking this arc outside of some characters.
>>150133735
>yfw your dad steal your cool moment and shames you while using casual clothes during winter near an helicopter.
>>150133902
It seemed to do decently well in japan overall.
Although the rankings were in the toilet during the whole pajeet match.
SOON.
>>150133754
Has jou seen Rindou face to face?
Finally, I was tired of this bullshit.
Time to see Nakamura and Eishi get smashed and the smugs wiped off of their faces as they realize that they're so far below Jouichirou. The despair on their faces as they physically get stripped from eating his dish, and Azami getting kicked out of Japan again will be the first highlight in this shitfest.
>>150133576
>Azami THIS BUTTHURT about 'Kobayashi'
>>150133801
This is how a doujinshi begins.
Ya know, I just realized that Rindou is there too...you think her relationship to Jou and Soma will be revealed next episode?
>>150133828
Pretty hype page honestly.
>>150133828
Why the fuck is my dad not a sex god like these guys
>>150134128
>"Uncle Jou? Funny seeing you here."
>"Oh, hey there Rin-chan. How's the family?"
>>150134238
>Mother Lilith is wondering when you'll come see her again
Is this how Nakiris and Yukirihas family dinners will be like?
>>150134267
It could be. Since the series has been in the bottom for so long, though I don't know how well or bad the books are selling.
>>150134337
Selling fine, it still does 370k copies.
>>150134337
3rd or 4th best selling WSJ
Out of bottom 5 for this week's ToC
>>150134303
>Dads don't stop fighting, Senzaemon also joins.
>Azami makes Erina cry twice.
>Souma tries to be cool and gets overshined by Jou every time.
>Umis as awkward family friends who don't know why they are invited.
>Rindou watches and eats all the food.
>>150133859
I'm guessing that Azami will team up with the paladinfag? I think that dude is the only one who actually agrees with the idiot's ideals.
Still, this is fucking stupid. The author made up this ridiculous arc of such bullshit that the only way for him to actually solve it is with more bullshit.
>>150133735
Erina status.... wet
>>150134267
>>150134355 >>150134402
>>150134267
This
>>150133363
So is this the last arc?
>>150134402
>>150134355
Then it wouldn't be axed no matter how much the arc sucks or how badly is performing on the magazine.
>>150133801
The Doujins write itself.
So where did this whole Rindou is Souma's cousin meme come from?
>>150134697
So why they axed bleach?
>>150134731
Kubo wasn't super nice to work with.
>>150134267
14. *43,997 *,338,020 Shokugeki no Souma Vol.21
Currently 14th most selling manga in japan.
Educate yourself you morons.
>>150134729
She's pretty much a female Asura-Jouichirou
Where does the meme that is getting cancelled come from? The manga is doing really well, although the last chapters weren't very good.
>>150134729
She's literally just a female jou right down to being a sex god.
>>150133828
OLD SPICE IS SO POWERFUL IT DESTROYS YOUR COOL SCENE!!!
AND CREATES AN EVE COOOLERRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>150134476
>Umis as awkward family friends who dont know why they are invited
should have not included it there to further enforce the "Rindou is Soma's cousin meme"
>>150135087
Read a bit more
>>150133828
Azami doesn't even look mad.
He probably has a raging boner.
>>150133828
>that fucking spark in Azami's eye
The masculinity is STRONK
>>150133986
not yet but i expect a casual "Oh hi uncle" from Rindou and a "Oh Rindou, I heard you are the 2nd seat now from your mom, btw how's my sister doing?" from Jou
>>150133801
>getting cucked by your own father
how does that feel
>>150135113
yeah I know but they shouldnt have included the friends when he said "family Dinner" it would have been perfect.
>>150134729
literally Copy Paste Jou, and she is also hiding power levels.
>>150135155
he just took back what's his
>>150135189
It still is debatable, if they truly were cousins. Azami would be plting to make them fuck to get a little Jou for him to droll all over.
What the fuck, the writing in this is awful..
>>150135273
Well it's not like he knows all of Jou's relatives; Soma had to point out that he was his son after all.
>>150135278
yahp but its hype af soo no complaints.
>>150135307
If you had OCT and God complex you would like to know the background of the vampiress in your team, not the background of the kid cooking in a bucket grill.
>>150135273
Why do you think Azami is still going a long with Rindou's bullshit huh? dats right he knows she is a relative of Jou and he probably knows she is hiding her power level;
>What if Rindou is actually Souma's cousin?
>>150133828
The dads don't even look like they are even in the same manga as the rest of the characters.
>>150133735
SPLOOOOOOOOOSH
>>150133735
NTR ALERT!
>>150133643
The final boss in the middle of another keikaku she does for fun
Rindou probably wanted to become a good cook when she tastes Jou's cooking when she and her parents come to visit Jou and his family when Soma was just a baby, Then Rindou probably asked what makes him a good cook, the Jou said that to "Cook for someone you love" thats why Rindou commented about Tsukasa's cooking having no identity.
>>150135491
Well...that will create lots of Rindou doujins from the incest oriented artists, and I'm cool with that.
>>150134267
Right now is one of the three SJ pilars
Arc redeemed
HURR DURR GUYS LOOK HOW RETARDED AND SECOND SEAT I AM HURR
>>150135624
Indeed, the axe has been hiting longruners lately, so its safe by at least.
>>150135680
I would let her sit second. If you know what I mean.
Why is this so popular again?
>>150135798
Tosh
>>150133735
>>150133801
That blush, poor Souma getting cucked by his sex god father.
>>150135821
Is that the artists name?
>>150135852
Yes.
The shitposter is sure trying hard itt.
>posts 88
>posters 33
>>150136039
Including you
So we're in the final arc now right?
>>150136039
slow day it seems.
On one hand, bringing Jou into the picture screams OUT OF IDEAS, on the other hand I've always wanted more kitchen brigade action over cooking duels.
>>150136039
88/33=2.66
Around 2 or 3 posts per anon. I don't know how you make a conversation, do you say something, the other person replies and both of you leave?
How do you prpose we comunicate then?
Spewing shit and overused legends like you?
Sure hope not.
>>150136152
of the first year yes
>>150136198
I am just getting tired of all this you lost, you are expelled bullshit. It is literally every single match now. I miss the fun characters and unique cooking superpowers like spicelord and giganigga copy powers.
>>150136152
Someone should ask Tsukuda on twitter and end with this.
was this intentional
>>150135492
Well they're clearly in a league of their own.
This manga is still fun with great art like it has always been. I'm not really sure why its getting hate.
>>150136280
As you can see >>150133801
Yes.
Obviously the battle shonen aspect is ending to start with romcon and some occasional cooking.
>>150135680
>tfw the reason Rindouis like she is because she is the 4th wall breaking character and realizes how ridiculous and insane the world she lives in is
>>150136337
For me the issue is they've failed to escalate the cooking to match the rising stakes.
>>150133735
>>150133801
She ready to give him blowjob
>>150136551
Wait until they bring out the meteor garlic and jewell meat.
doujins of erina getting spit roasted by soma and his dad when?
>>150136551
"If you fail to satisfy me with this dish, consider this girl's head blown away clean off her shoulders."
"If you lose this match, you and your family will promptly be executed right in front of the students."
"If you can't surpass this dish, your right hand is forfeit."
We edge now.
>>150136775
Why are you escalating the wrong side? Do you have issues with reading comprehension?
>>150136775
Seems like fun for Sword-kun.
>>150136551
because they're stuck in school setting, what can you even do to escalate other than what this guy says >>150136775
you could try romance or tragedy but cmon it's a shonen cooking manga
>>150134880
Probably because of how Bleach obviously got axed despite it sells still doing well while it's ranking plummeted.
>>150137000
I'm saying the cooking hasn't changed but the stakes have. The cooking is too grounded. They do too little to depict difference in skill, or an increase in skill in general.
Everyones talking about the Erina blush with Soumas dad instead of the blush on this page
>>150133630
She clearly wants the Souma dick
>>150137111
> Everyones talking
It's mostly samefagging.
>>150137103
>They do too little to depict difference in skill, or an increase in skill in general.
going by the spice master that's probably because he raises the stakes too quickly too high, and that's just bad writing
like the whole him being part of elite 10 thing lasted how many chapters?
>>150136152
It looks like it. What more is there to tell?
>>150137020
>Bleach obviously got axed
Legend says Kubo just one day gave up and said fuck it
Now Bleach had been on the bottom of the barrel for many years. SnS only for the past 8 weeks or so.
>>150133735
soma's face in this panel, fookin kek
get NTR'd
>>150133735
the face of cucked
>>150133363
Good chapter. It means we are spared from weeks of possible Megumi-centric chapters.
>>150136551
Doing that believably would be really difficult. Unless the manga went full on supernatural, I guess.
How are people complaining about Erina no longer being a huge bitch. It took her 150 chapters and multiple character arcs to melt the fuck are they on about.
>>150133801
>Erina's panties status: Beyond recovery
>>150136551
>they literally pull out autistic amounts of focus on fucking BEAR MEAT in the last battle
maybe you just don't know shit about cooking?
>>150137629
I'm still bothered by how daddy has her on lockdown
like threaten him to cut your "god" tongue or commit suicide like a teenage girl she is if you don't like him that much
Senpai finally noticed him.
>>150137848
The sparkle is really ridiculous.
WHERE IS BEST BOY?
>>150138125
Having another erotic bath with Dojima-senpai.
>one and only son
so he has a daughter huh
>>150133947
Well, chapters 180 - 185 were poorly ranked but this one was decent.
>>150137697
That's not my responsibility to make entertaining.
>>150138207
erina is actually his daughter
incest ntr ending confirmed
I still don't quite get Souma's logic. How are they supposed to get 4 positions, when Erina is already ranked? That leaves 3 people to get a position in the E10. Erina can only take the position of whoever she beats, unless she asks in addition that the loser step down from the E10.
>>150137670
Surprised that he called her "erina-chan" though, thought he might call her "ojou-chan" or something
>>150137848
OTP.
>>150138705
He's about treating her like a normal kid, not some special person who is above all those around her.
>>150138775
But Gin has been waiting for Jou for 15 years
>>150138937
gin wasn't his senpai
>>150137336
They haven't even entered the second year yet.
>>150133859
I honestly don't like this kind of development. It really only serves to undermine the antagonists of this arc by basically saying "if we try EXTRA hard, we can beat you!" Like in Bleach where Ichigo went from a regular kid to surpassing people who have been living, fighting, and training for at least a century if not longer, in a single year.
Unless their preparation and training is like a year long I can't imagine the likes of Takumi and especially Megumi ever actually defeating an elite 10 member. That is assuming they actually even do any training.
>>150138937
More Gin and Jou when
>>150133902
You are retarded. Only the Hayama fight was not well received because of its length.
What is this Deus Ex Machina bullshit?
Azami needs to crush Jou.
>>150133363
>S: Bet those Elite 10 seats against us 4 (So we can get rid of you.)
>A: Screw you. Why should I agree to this.
I like that notion.
Sudden Saiba seems a bit jarring though.
>>150137336
Hopefully going back to what it was before the retarded evil dad showed up
>>150137336
Obviously the Gordon Ramsey Arc
So what are we thinking?
Gin is still the best chef in the world?
Is Jou better he just doesn't care or is Gin really just that good?
Has Nakamura exceeding his love and put it into his dishes and can now surpass his idol?
>>150137336
International competitions, having some new blood in new first years, gradual infighting to shake up the rankings of the E10, grand final tournament to get the first seat at graduation
>>150139294
They are so in love what the fuck
>>150140099
I would prefer if Gin was actually better than Jou. Souma said he wanted to get the first seat because his dad was never able to be at the top of the academy. It would cheapen his accomplishment if it was something that his dad could have done but never bothered to.
>>150137336
Souma's mom, the second year, rival schools, foreign trips, Christmas arcvalentines arc
>>150137458
Thank Christ. But she and Takumi need a training arc
>>150140300
>his dad was never able to be at the top of the academy
Well he did leave before graduating so he didn't really have the chance to snatch it from Gin.
And Fumio also mentions that he dicked around a lot in shokugeki so that might be the reason Gin was higher than him
>>150139294
>Jou looks so happy when Gin says he met Souma
>yfw it will all connect to how mom was also at PSD but flunked out under the system which made Jou leave and Azami eternally buttflustered
>>150140856
Also powerboost because he found his waifu.
That was the best chapter in months.
>>150139283
>I honestly don't like this kind of development. It really only serves to undermine the antagonists of this arc by basically saying "if we try EXTRA hard, we can beat you!" Like in Bleach where Ichigo went from a regular kid to surpassing people who have been living, fighting, and training for at least a century if not longer, in a single year.
Fuck off.
Fuck off so hard, you stupid piece of shit.
Fuck off and die.
You are literally the cancer killing the battle shounen genre.
>HURR DURR THEY HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE SO THEY SHOULD WIN
Die in a fucking fire, you ass cancer faggot. Real life doesn't work like that.
You're the reason none of the heroes won in the last arc of Bleach.
Autistic pieces of shit like you who think that a series is only good if the heroes lose all the time.
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
FUCK YOU.
>>150141289
And it contained NO cooking!
>>150133759
>Jou can rock casual clothes and still look hot as fuck
Erina wet status is completely understandable, Jou is on another level.
>>150141289
>It was to be expected that Erina would return to Azami at least once more following the events
>It didn't happen, she'll break completely free instead
It really was
>>150134267
>axing one of your cashcows when you can't even hold a new series for half a year
Not even Jump can be this stupid.
>>150141607
Is that fire thing from the guy who made soul eater SJ
>>150141607
How much does Shokugeki no Souma sell per volume? According to Bakuman, the magic number is 500k. If you sell 500k per volume, it doesn't matter how low your WSJ rankings are.
What is Soma talking about? There's only three of them:
>soma
>megumi
>italy
Plus Erina, that makes four. 4/9 is not a majority.
>>150141886
He probably skipped some math classes, assuming they exists
>>150141886
He's including Ishiki and Kuga
>>150134640
>So is this the last arc?
I don't think so. Souma always had 2 objectives
>get seat 1
>make Erina say his food is good
We're starting an arc about Souma getting a seat, but no the first seat, and Erina only reacts to Yukihira's hidden menu dishes (his farther's dishes, not his).
I bet this in team battle Jou will force Azami to only use the second years (Nene, Eizan and two new guys) vs Souma and Co. because there's just no way they'd beat a third year.
>>150141886
Well, Pacha, Isshiki and Kuga aren't expelled either and they seem to have plans, too. I'm assuming Souma already includes Kuga and/or Rindou in his supposition.
>>150141886
He was probably banking on one of their other friends/acquaintances to help them.
Not like it would've mattered much since Azami told him to fuck off right after.
>>150141798
Shokugeki does about 400k.
>>150134729
>Red hair
>Golden eyes
>chill/easy going personality
>Elder God tier of sexyness
>Jou female parallel up to the seat number
There are a few reasons. Not that I believe them, but I can see where they're coming from.
>>150142045
>because there's just no way they'd beat a third year.
One-on-one, no. But as a team? Team Souma will have more synergy than Team Elite 10, who all hate each other.
>>150142242
How does that even matter? Eishi can beat them at their own fucking specialties.
>>150140300
Jou will probably tell him he didn't care about the 1st seat just to trigger him.
>>150142280
Read the writing on the wall, dude. Souma's group has less individual skill, but they'll put together a meal that meshes with each other, whereas the Elite 10 will have no teamwork.
>>150142280
Considering the autist Eishi is he'd probably worry too much about what the rest of his team is doing and sperg out.
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even participate solely because of that.
>>150134731
According to Kubo, he's been hospitalized a lot. He's been super sick apparently.
>>150141951
We saw them in English class once, and PE. Math classes probably exist.
>>150138687
There's the Ex-E10s and some first years playing low though.
>>150142242
I'm not sure if a third year, the student closest to graduate, wouldn't know how to behave, act and control a kitchen.
>>150142280
Nigga, the point of Eishi if that he can't do jack shit in teams.
I would like the battle to be about teamwork so I can see him fuck up everything for everyone.
>>150142357
Or Eishi could put together a fucking full course on his own?
>>150142961
He's stronger than any team of first years by himself.
>>150143237
The match will probably require the teams to make something within a time limit you can't do on your own.
>>150143237
Then that wouldn't be a team battle at all.
>>150143394
So? The teammates are there, they're just redundant.
I fucking despise with a passion 'muh teamwork > lonliness' and 'MY WILLPOWER THIS STRONG AAAAA NAKAMA'. There's just no reason for the rebels to be able to defeat this guy even as a team.
>>150143513
Remember when Azami was trying to give a speech from the conference table, and the elites around him were all arguing? Their lack of cohesion will be their downfall.
The biggest problem with this type of loss is that it's Hayama again. You win because of the opponent's faults, not your own strengths.
>>150143623
Except they're the same thing in this instance.
>>150143513
But it's not about Nakama power, teamwork in cooking actually means a lot.Like those cooking shows were their pair up the strongest cooks and they fail because they can't communicate.
>>150143621
They shouldn't need cohesion. Eishi roflstomps everyone on his own, if you get a win because of bullshit like 'they were arguing' it's just fucking unsatisfying like >>150143623 says.
>>150143621
Isn't that kinda the current plot point of the Azami arc?
Azami wants to unite everyone under his totalitarian rule. Everybody makes all dishes according to him, no exceptions. Harmony by force, but harmony nonetheless.
Souma and previous headmaster THRIVE on conflict. Rocks tumbling polish each other. To have all the same dishes and complete harmony is boring.
And yet, the argument I'm seeing from you all is the antithesis. Maybe on your part, maybe because the author isn't thinking about it, maybe this is the setup for the twist, but you shouldn't have a completely harmonious rebel team beat the antagonistic and incoherent Central group. It proves Azami and goes against the idea of the manga.
IT'S ALL A TWEEEEEEST
>>150143654
They're not though. You win because you're having a contest on the one item your opponent lacks, which is pretty contrived, and to make it worse they'd need to actively sabotage each other to make it work for the rebels. I don't like that sort of victory.
>>150143791
Will be ever know what the others elites besides Eishi and Rindou follow him for? For all we know they also follow him cause they are bored.
>>150143791
>it proves Azami
Becauase he is correct. The only time totalitarian rule is inferior to anything is when the leader is shit, and the E10 are the opposite of shit.
>>150143839
Hayama lost because he "lost who he was making food for" or however it's worded, but Souma didn't.
It's pretty much just power of friendship though
>>150143791
No, not really. Tootsuki is cutthroat sure, but look at Shinomiya and his friends. The notion that the students can't get along just because a number of the current E10 don't' is nonsense.
And they've had classes where they have to make dishes together right from the start of the series. Despite Tsukasa's personality problems, actual kitchens are made of multiple chefs working together.
>>150143925
It's power of love
/ck/fags will tell me cooking for someone drives.you to do better but that ain't the point, Hayama was suppoaed to be just flat better than Souma and motivated to win.
>>150143905
Don't be stupid, without competition there is no growth. So the elite 10 will soon be reduced to mediocre fodder once the current 10 graduate.
Now that reminds me that Hayama, Alice and Ryou is a perfectly example of good chefs who couldn't work in teams because they were on their high horse and won't listen to what the other has to said.
In Ryou's case is more that he didn't give a shit.
Tootsuki's original teachings were superior to this bullshit we have now, even society survives on cutthorat conflict, the only problem is that unlike Tootsuki where when people lose they go without a fight and understand their place in life now, people in real life bitch and moan about their place in life and come up with excuses like someone cheated or that they weren't born special. If everybody just accepted their lives for what they were we wouldn't have such a shitty society. If you suck, you suck, plan and simple.
>>150142242
>Team Elite 10, who all hate each other
Rindou and Eishi are probably stronger than the rest combined.
>>150144192
Azami's not going to let Rindou compete.
>>150144037
I'm not going to argue about generalities, this is about the idea of a "team battle." Many of you are saying that Azami + Elite 10 will lose because they "don't get along" and that Saiba + Revels will win because they "can work together." That's a standard trope for manga and anime and is the logical thing.
But this manga has NEVER been about how similarities triumph everything. It's been the OPPOSITE. Sure, it's shown that working together on testing dishes, sharing ideas, seeking opinions will help a student perfect their individual dish but it's just that. The individual dish only got better because everyone else was different. In this case, having the perfectly harmonious rebel group win against the in-fighting Elite 10 is terrible writing.
Unless the author suddenly makes the E10 work together perfectly making the Azami dishes just as they should align with Central while the rebels argue endlessly about what their dishes should beuntil the last second where they incorporate all the disparate ideas, this will be an AWFUL resolution to this plotline.
>>150144322
>manga ends.
>we never see Rindou cook, not even once.
>yfw
Can we stop pretending rindou isn't just a regular shit now?
>>150144037
>multiple
Depends on how big a shop you run, since he's an owner for sure.
>>150144073
>without competition there is no growth
That's fucking retarded. Competiton always exists and Central is run as Old Tootsuki, free to create and invent and compete. The boogeyman doesn't exist, the reason Azami is comically evil and a shit educator with rote memory problems is because his system makes far more sense. What the fuck is the point of competition to create good dishes when you don't got down the basics? It's like trying to derive hardcore math with trig and Calc I material, just go learn it proper instead of reinventing the wheel through 'competiton'. If a middle schooler has the technical skill to make E10 class food, he'll be stronger when he branches out.
>>150144169
You're a goddamn idiot. Cutthroat my fucking ass, these kids don't jave the fundamentals down. On pure technical skill they lose to middle schoolers, what the hell is the point of invention when your fundamental is shit and gets btfo by the other guy's rote? Even if you invented, make the other guy go through motions, his is STILL better, and Central itself still competes anyway. You found the volume of a helix through arithmetic? Impressive, but I'll just use a fucking integral and do it better.
>>150144169
>if everyone just accepted their lives
We wouldn't have competition. Baka.
>>150143394
It would. Eishi could put a full course on his own, but with not enough time to do it alone, so there's where the team part comes from.
Speculation time.
>they draw up the teams for Régiment de Cuisine
>Elite Team is Momo, Sword, Nene, and Eizan
>Rebel Team is Souma, Erina, Megumi, and Takumi
>Tsukasa voluntarily sits out because he's too OP
>judges will be him, Rindou, Azami, and Jouichirou
>Souma and Co. have no idea what Nene and Sword can do
>enter Isshiki and Megishima, who are there to coach the rebels
>meanwhile Kuga demands a shokugeki from Tsukasa again and Rindou says he has to get past her first
>Rindou rapes Kuga
>>150144577
>Competiton always exists and Central is run as Old Tootsuki, free to create and invent and compete. The boogeyman doesn't exist
Nigga, u dumb. Everyone has to cook the way Azami says they have to. There is no research, no creativity, no nothing, just the cooking techniques Azami approves off. That completely flies in the face of modern cuisine, which is all about finding new things and new techniques. Read the parts where Erina tastes everyone's dishes in the psd.
>On pure technical skill they lose to middle schoolers
dude wat
>>150144073
>>150144169
Totalitarianism (with great ruler) is definitely superior to any other government besides completed communism and perfect ancap, but both of those presuppose humans don't act human which is retarded. You sound like a subhuman ancap though.
>>150143714
You clearly never worked in a kitchen.
If a head chef and his team aren't on the same page, then things fall out of place quickly.
>>150144803
>3deep5me
Look up "power corrupts" and you'll understand why totalitarianism always fails in the long run.
>>150144647
Yes we would, we would have competition to get better and once the losers lose they won't bitch, they'll actually accept the limits they have instead of trying to ruin the successful time.
>>150144803
humans don't act like humans is such a bullshit excuse. If this is what it means to be human then maybe the definition needs to change or humans should be eliminated.
>>150144765
Read the chapter of his booth again, the only reason he had such a few customers was because he doesn't want anyone to work with him or touch anything.
>>150144577
Azami system DOES make better, more enjoyable sense. Azami and the Elite 10 continue to make astonishing dishes, but with Azami's leadership anyone can make (most) of them. If you can attend Tootsuki, you'll be trained for 3 years into becoming a world class chef and make dishes of the absolute highest caliber. You'll only be graded on your dish and if you can't get good enough to make the best dishes you fail. Simple. Logical. "Go to school to learn. If you aren't talented enough or study hard enough, you fail. How good you become depends on how good the school is." Azami's food academy is exactly that. And it's NOT stagnating, Central and the Elite 10 are all still better chefs and continue to make new dishes.
Under the old system, the Nakiri's failed basically EVERYONE and encouraged the students to just perfect single dishes until they could win. There were classes to branch out your culinary knowledge, but unless you specialized, you'd fail and get expelled. Basically everyone did. You HAD to specialize or you just wasted time and money. It was an academy that bred its own destruction and was a pure status symbol.
Under Aazmi, it produces the best chefs who can make the best dishes from a variety of cuisines and can work anywhere. By every account, Azami has a better school.
The only thing, the ONLY thing the previous system did better was creating a handful of SSS level chefs each year. And that was at the cost of literally destroying SS level chefs and below. ALL of them. Just so that 3-4 chefs a year could "win."It's a fun manga setting, the original system, that works but it's dissonant when you think about it. And since the author is DRAGGING this FUCKING arc out so long, we get a lot of time to think and come to the conclusion that Azami is right. Even if he's a distant douchebag to his daughter and petty that not all his dishes are the best sometimes (and I mean SOMETIMES).
>>150144994
But he CAN work when people follow his orders perfectly, like when he teamed up with Souma.
And there's just now way an E10 members wouldn't be able to do it, if even Souma was, even though Souma already has Restaurant experiente - reminder that even Kuga can already manage a restaurant.
>>150144794
>Nigga, u dumb. Everyone has to cook the way Azami says they have to. There is no research, no creativity, no nothing, just the cooking techniques Azami approves off.
Nope. Central proper is the E10 and the elite few who get to do whatever.
>Erina tasted....
Oh so the PSD's food differed from the food of pre-azami plebs?
>dude wat
A middle schooler created E10 level food, which implies his skill in say handling, temperature, and knifework is E10 level if nothing else.
>>150144866
I'm saying that very small resturants, the type that has maybe 4 tables tucked in an alley, need only one cook and often only have one. Have you never been to these places?
>>150144794
Seeing as Azami is probably the 3rd best chef in the world, the "methods he approves of" aren't fucking spectacular. Especially since the 2nd best chef in the world also works for him and Azami has absolutely ZERO problems with the way he teaches, manages and cooks and the best chef in the world is completely itinerant and just does whatever he wants anyway (and Azami bases his own style on that man to begin with).
>>150144354
Did you forget the moon festival? And how Souma managed to win 1/5 days against Kuga?
It was because his friends showed up to bail him out. But they didn't bring their own dishes. They worked on his.
>>150144943
Communism requires that people act completely selflessly with the big picture in mind all the time and have perfect understanding of that picture, and because everyone is working for the good of all, nobody suffers, everyone wins. Government is equally shares by all with perfectly responsible and incorruptible agents, which means the entire population is perfectly responsible, perfectly selfless, borders on omniscient, never attempts to gain the upper hand, and never hold grudges or cash in favors. Does this sound right to you? Realistic? Human nature?
>>150144905
A good ruler doesn't get xorrupted by definition, and hell, power doesn't corrupt, it widens your capabilities to effect your will. If that will is competent and not narrow of ambition, the results are astounding, human toll irrelevant. Yes, irrelevant because when you're in charge of a million, the sacrifice of ten thousand is a real cheap price, and one that should be considered.
>>150145160
Yeah, but Souma has no problem working as a sous chef because he's used to doing it. What happens if the other E10 and their massive egos think they should change something on the dish?
>>150144905
>totalitarianism always fails in the long run.
Actually, it doesn't. You seem to have glossed over "great ruler." Dictators who aren't up to snuff simply fail. But there have been emperors, rulers, kings, queens, khans, pharoahs who live their entire lifetimes being totalitarian rulers and the nation they rule goes LIGHTSPEED ahead in improvements and quality of life and it's not all that rare. The problem of "power corrupts" is due to human nature and the usual suspects are demagogues and rebels, not royalty.
>>150133363
Cute, chibi Erina.
>>150145153
>Central and the Elite 10 are all still better chefs and continue to make new dishes.
And do you know why? They honed their talents from Tootsuki;s old system. Azami is being played, To the 10 this just another part of Toosuki's dog eat dog world, if the students below them cannot git gud enough to over throw the new law then the new law deserves it' spot. They only seek to benefit no matter which side wins because all of them are already set for life.
>>150145289
We don't know that Azami bases his cooking style on Jou. He only said that he admired him, not that he wanted to cook just like him. Of the golden generation we only know that Jou uses techniques and stuff from all over the world and that Fumio was surprised that he now cooked food with "caring".
>>150145409
But changing somerhing in the dish would be bullshit, because someone like Eizan is shittier than Eishi by a huge margin and they know it, and also understand that Eishi's dish requires a balancing act so changing his dish is literally just sabptage if you don't clear it with him so he can change shit on his side.
>>150145309
They didn't use Souma's methods. I'm telling you that. That's the point. They didn't FIGHT him, but they didn't cook alongside him either. Souma took ideas from all their styles and created his own. If anyone of them challenged the moon festival with their own style, including Souma, they'd have lost badly. Hell, Souma STILL LOST if you remember, because Hayama specialized.
I have no idea what you people are arguing about
>>150145438
That's wrong though. People who lack talent (this is a thing: Ricci is not on the same level as Riemann or Gauss) home their basic skills so they can at least do their jobs as eventual assistants like gods. People inducted into central LITERALLY USE THE OLD SYSTEM AND COMPETE TO DEVELOP THEIR DISHES.
>>150145216
>Central proper is the E10
Yeah the elite 10 who are taught nothing but Azami techniques and are not allowed to research anything in the many years before they central.
>Oh so the PSD's food differed from the food of pre-azami plebs?
Did you actually read the manga?
>which implies his skill in say handling, temperature, and knifework is E10 level if nothing else.
All the highschoolers are implied to posses these skills, read the manga.
The 3-michelin stars chefs in the world didn't get those stars by immitating other chefs and using the same recipes in their restaurents. Watch anything with Heston Blumenthal and maybe you'll understand.
>>150144866
You seem to think that Azami is the ONLY cooking force at Tootsuki.
It's explicitly stated, by Azami himself, and proven by the Elite 10, that if you're part of Central (especially the Elite 10) you're already "Azami Approved" and anything you make is to his satisfaction. Feel free to experiment and teach. He knows only your best dishes are what you'll be satisfied with. Azami recgonises great chefs and is more than happy to let their cooking develop separately. In reality, it's not that Azami is making clones of himself or his dishes. He's just becoming WAY WAY WAY WAY more involved than the previous Nakiri by judging absolutely everything himself. That's all.
>>150145551
Same desu
>>150145523
What are you on about? Gigga literally copied Souma, and Takumi was doing the exact same thing. There's no indication that either Meat or Isami were bringing anything unique to them to the table when they helped Souma at the festival either.
>>150145551
>>150145653
That's the three of us
>>150145610
>Yeah the elite 10 who are taught nothing but Azami techniques and are not allowed to research anything in the many years before they central.
Want to know what I read? 'The kids who weren't allowed to fuck around P=NP before they understood game and set theory. They literally have nothing to contribute at that point unless they're prodigy class like Alice, who would be in Central.
>did you actually
Erina notes it's different from all the other dishes she ate. It's impossible she hadn't eaten that of other students, you're just saying nobody but PSD cooked freely.
>implied to posses these skills
Lmao no, unless you missed people admiring Takumi's knifework and think his handling is Eishi tier.
>>150145399
>A good ruler doesn't get xorrupted by definition, and hell, power doesn't corrupt,
Not only are you naive but you're also short sighted. What do when the great ruler dies, retatd? Yeah your way requires an indefinate chain of great rulers. Good luck with that.
>>150145423
See above. Alexander the great was a great ruler, how long did his empire last?
>>150145551
Some people, who hate Azami's school, think that the previous system was better because it was all inclusive. It encouraged extremely brutal competition and as a result, students got better.
They think Azami's school isn't as good because he demands the students cook ONLY the dishes he approves of, the WAY he approves of.
The problem is, the anons seem to forget that under the previous administration only about 6-7 people graduated a year and that literally everyone else failed. Under the new system, literally anyone with enough skill will pass. And if you don't have enough skill, you'll spend 3 years under the tutelage of teachers and chefs who will work with you to perfect the cooking. Many anons just hate the idea the "cooking" is "only what Azami likes." Another problem is they think that means, like, only couple dishes are good. But that's not the case. Azami has thousands, millions of dishes he approves of and any PERSON he approves of is free to create more and more dishes...all of which are then trained into the students. Not a single dish from Azami's institution is bad. In fact, they're all literally perfect.
>>150145929
>6-7
Id like the proofs that even almost half of the e10 dont graduate
>>150145820
>Erina notes it's different from all the other dishes she ate. It's impossible she hadn't eaten that of other students, you're just saying nobody but PSD cooked freely.
Just actually read the manga, you just sound like an idiot.
>>150145863
>Yeah your way requires an indefinate chain of great rulers. Good luck with that.
Did you see me advocate for totalitarian rule as a whole, or did you fail to realize it's only relevant because Azami is actually incredibly competent as a chef and is to the world what E10 is to Tootsuki?
>Alexander the Great
>ruler
HAHAHAHAHAHA NIGGA HE DIED WHILE EYEING CARTHAGE AS HIS NEXT TARGET AND MACEDON'S MILITARY WAS PHILLIP'S WORK HE WAS A GREAT COMMANDER HE LITERALLY DIDN'T RULE SHIT
>>150146014
Only 5 3rds are E10. Read Senzaemon's speech, one hand is enough.
>>150146050
t. noargument
>>150145551
It's simple; Azami's way of teaching kills creativity, the old tootsuki way was a way to polish the best and allow creativity to reign. Some argue that Azami's way is better because it creates drones that can recreate a better chef's cooking. Others argue that old way is better since cooking is all about creativity.
>>150145863
You're dealing in absolutes and that black&white thinking is the indication that you are the one not thinking about things well enough and are "naive."
Just because "Alexander the Great" had "great" in his historical title didn't mean he was an impeccable ruler. His exapansion came at great cost and in the end was not a particular great ruler. He was a warmonger and that worked in one way. It almost sounds like you're trying to lead me into a comic book argument and point to Ozymandius next as a topic.
The point is, great rulers absolutely exist throughout history and they rule with iron fists in a totalitarian way. And that works, especially in smaller nations. It just gets harder to maintain with bigger nations. And "of the people" totalitarian rulers, like elected officials or mutinous generals, are suuuuuper incapable of not letting power go to their heads. Royalty is born with the understanding they will rule and are trained for it (usually). Their failures are usually not because of corruption, but because of laziness. And, of course, they can be incompetent if not taught well, too.
>>150145929
Azami's system works this way
Central creates god class dishes. Central is the future leaders of cuisine.
NotCentral learns to reproduce those dishes. If you're good enough you promote to Central. If you're not, you're now able to run a resturant as a chef but not owner and can spit out god class dishes without being God class (because you'll never be, you're shit).
>>150146074
>Backtracking
Nice.
>>150146264
>backtracking
My original post was >>150144803. See the qualifying statement?
>>150146014
"one hand is enough" to count the graduates each year.
How many of the Elite 10 are 3rd years? I'm being generous in saying that other 3rd years exist but even they aren't as good to pass sometimes.
Do you remember how many hundreds (or was it thousands) of students were expelled in the first tests? Do you remember when French Asshole expelled a student sitting in the audience of a ceremony because he smelled an extremely faint, cirtusy aroma from his hair? Cooking skills not even acknowledged, he was gotten rid of for being exactly what Shinomiya wanted (stylish) but was never told not to have too much hair smell at a casual meeting, not even in the kitchen or preparing a dish. Yeah, what a great system.
>>150145863
Alexander the Great's title uses the greatness concept, as in 'largeness' or 'impressiveness', like the original title Augustus, an exalted one.
An actually Great ruler with Great in his title might include Karl the Great, Karlos Magnus. Also know as Charlemagne, 'Father of Europe'.
>>150146207
>The point is, great rulers absolutely exist throughout history and they rule with iron fists in a totalitarian way.
>Completely missing the point that ALL those rulers were at some point succeeded by absolute shit who still had the same power.
Yeah keep calling me naive.
>like elected officials or mutinous generals, are suuuuuper incapable of not letting power go to their heads
Now you just sound like an idiot. Yeah people like this exist and what usually happens to them? It's not that hard, just use your brain.
>Royalty is born with the understanding they will rule and are trained for it
Holy shit you are stupid. Do you know what ultimately killed the aristocracy in the west?
I'm done with this, I have better things to do than teach 15 year olds how the world works.
>>150146207
Ramses II was legit though, if the PBShelley poem doesn't do much favors for him.
>>150146249
One of the major problems with the non central plebs in Azami's system is that they can only reproduce without any understanding of the how and why.
Compare those guys struggling in the promotion exam in front of Erina to Megumi during Shinomiya's test. Megumi didn't have the ingredients she needed to she was able to improvise. Sure, Shino still failed her, but it's established the he was just taking out his personal problems on the students. Same deal with the shitty teachers trying to fuck over the rebels with infredients. These kids under Azami wouldn't be able to improvise an equivalent dish if some ingredients were missing.
And that's a real problem in a restaurant, because sometimes shit happens and you may not get all your supplies in time.
>>150146169
The old system created less than a dozen GODLY, SSS, DIVINE chefs with incomparable skills and abilities. It failed THOUSANDS who were, in many cases, almost as good, just one rank down. Literally, only the ones too talented for others to even compare could pass.
The new system creates THOUSANDS of GODLY, SSS, DIVINE chefs with comparable skills and abilities. It only fails the ones who aren't talented enough or studious to learn how to make those dishes. The rate of "new" dishes is simply lower since it has to be Azami approved...but new dishes still occur constantly from the hands of the Elite 10 and Central.
>>150143513
>>150143714
>>150145216
>>150145651
>>150145820
>>150146111
You can sperg out as hard as you want, but teamwork beats individual skill 100 times out of 100.
It is not realistic either in the series itself or in real life for Eishi to be able to beat the First Years, much less if you put him in a group.
Teamwork is how society has been created. Individuals shits don't do jack.
>>150146533
The longest lasting major democracy in the world is the USA. Discounting the Civil War, it's been not even 300 years, roughly 250.
Chinese INDIVIDUAL Dynasties post-Qin sat for 300 pretty often, The Roman Empire lasted for 450, 350 if you count in prosperity, 1200 if you count ERE.
You're retarded.
>>150146460
All I remember from history class is that Alexander made some pretty great decisions for his people. But fine How long till things went to shit after Charlemagne died then?
>>150146533
Of course all rulers are succeeded. Humans die. This is stupid, I'm not arguing politics with you.
>>150146565
>One of the major problems with the non central plebs in Azami's system is that they can only reproduce without any understanding of the how and why.
True, but that's hardly unfixable, Azami just needs to emphasize that more during practice. Or just get removed.
>>150146644
Yeah, put ten street thugs against an actual high class martial artist. Guess how many ambulances.
Souma <Megumi and Takumi, but teamwork can't overcome a crippling gap in skill.
>>150146565
That is legitimately one of the few problems, yes. Azami's Tootsuki doesn't train chefs to be chefs. It trains chefs to cook dishes beyond their own measure. And it succeeds!...but also sets up the possibility of failure.
But, frankly, Tootsuki is inherently an academy for the super-rich and super-skilled to begin with. The chances of a chef who graduates (under the current Azami) runs a restaurant or something that isn't trained to have what he needs on hand is extremely low and rare.
>>150146593
>The new system creates THOUSANDS of GODLY, SSS, DIVINE chefs with comparable skills and abilities
It creates copycats.
Also cooking is actually pretty easy, there's harder stuff sure but all one needs to grasp those is practice. You don't really need a special talent to be great dicer of vegetables. Making a signature dish that is world class though, that is something you can't be taught.
>>150146644
Don't be stupid. This isn't a test of might, it's a test of skill and art.
You don't beat Rembrandt's art because you have 1000 students put together to paint a portrait. This is cooking, not tug-of-war.
>>150146734
About 200 for his individual kingdoms, as he willed his empire split to pieces on his death to be given piecemeal to his son.
His legacy was far greater. The carloginian renaissance, literally French as a language and nation-concept, the consolidation of power in western europe to finalize the move to what amounts to an early feudal contract, the seeds of Germany.
More relevantly, during his life he had libraries built, churches built, and ensured relative peace and prosperity for his people.
>>150146926
Thousands of godly copycats is preferable to thousands of failures who fade into obscurity.
What the fuck is going on in here.
>>150146822
Azami doesn't want to teach critical thinking to them though. He's into rote memorization.
>>150146822
>Yeah, put ten street thugs against an actual high class martial artist.
A Japanese tv show once did 50 untrained plebs vs 3 Olympic fencers. Everyone had a baloon on their chest, and if it popped, you were out. The fencers lost. And the plebs didn't even have coordination or teamwork.
I mean don't get me wrong, this is the play nice version. But numbers matter a ton in a fight. I wouldn't be so quick to bet on the martial artist against 10 thugs. Especially if they have makeshift weapons like you'd expect from thugs.
>>150146667
>You're retarded
Look up the printing press, smartypants.
>>150146926
Yes. Copycats. You're not wrong.
You know, not ALL of them are copycats, though. You know who aren't? The Elite 10 members. Most of Central. They don't copy each other. Azami approves of what they can do, and lets them do it. If he likes their special dishes, he'll even incorporate them into the institution. And out of thousands and thousands of students, there will ALWAYS be 10 students who are simply astonishingly good and genius creating dishes and fighting with each other to get better.
The other students were NEVER going to be Elite 10. In fact, they were guaranteed to be expelled if they couldn't get chairs. But now? They all pass and can at least make those dishes, even if it's just because they shared a recipe.
>>150147033
Arguments about what's better:
a few heroes
or
a perfect army
>>150147032
Yeah those thousands of godly copycats can all open the same overpriced restaurant.
>>150146926
If you can't be taught it why the fuck are they in a fucking school? Teach those who can learn what they need, let Gauss and Maxwell and Van Gogh do their own shit, then teach it to others. Why are you fixated on the invention of a dish you don't plan to share?
>>150147067
To be fair, if they failed before, they could just enroll in a less strenuous school and still learn to be a good regular chef, and not a copycat. It's not like their life ended because they got the boot.
Hell, we know from the manga that some people get recruited to work in kitchen during their first year at Tootsuki. I'm sure some kids know they'll never reach the top and take up that offer.
>>150146988
Ever read the accursed kings? It's a fine example of why the one ruler thing was ultimately scrapped.
>>150147033
It's the one sperg from last time who was bitching that Old Tootsuki was shit because of its teaching method of cutting the "less fortunate" or some shit and that Central is way better because it give everyone a "fair chance" to succeed even though all it creates is a bunch of samefag drones who can only copy dishes.
>forcing Tsukasa to work with Eizan and Momo
That'll go swimmingly.
>>150147117
good lord you nailed it
>Jouchiro is going to cuck Souma out of his whole harem
Meat's next. Calling it.
>>150147055
>A Japanese tv show once did 50 untrained plebs vs 3 Olympic fencers.
Cooking doesn't have luck involved. It's more like Jeopardy or a quiz-show; if you don't have the answer, you lose. Otherwise, it's pure guesswork.
And if you want to keep up with metaphors, we can bring up the "1000 monkeys with 1000 typewriters given 1000 years will create the works of Shakespeare." You're right on some level; given enough time and enough tries, eventually something extraordinary might happen. Something that shouldn't be possible. But if you are paying someone for an exquisite dish to be made, are you going to put your trust in 1000 monkeys or will you go to a restaurant of a trained chef? Eventually, those monkeys will make a great dish, but Azami's students will be in nearly every restaurant you can find, with a HUMONGOUS menu to choose from and you'll eat in about 30 minutes.
>>150147117
That's...that's a perfect analogy. Literally perfect.
>>150147136
>If you can't be taught it why the fuck are they in a fucking school?
Are you fucking stupid?
>>150147061
>aristocracy fell because of the printing press
>Germany had kaisers and junker remnants into the invention of radio
Try harder.
>>150147135
If they all make the same dish it can't be priced high anymore now can it, supply and demand yeah? Signature dishes are expensive because they're fucking rare, not because bacon and salmon are expensive.
>>150147212
No, but you
A. failed to counter that Great Rulera exist
B. failed to understand that Azami qualifies as one
C. Keep bringing succession, it's irrelevant.
>>150147255
>one
At least three, I wasn't there and there's two here.
>>150147055
Fencing is not fighting, it's not even close. It's a watered down sport of the original rapier techniques and rapiers are at a huge disadvantage in close range.
Actual martial artists can fuck multiple people up without getting hit, especially thugs who throw hooks and straights.
>>150147439
>he's not the next Bohr or Einstein
>kick him out
mhmm
>>150147033
Azami morality debates
>>150147117
Literally perfect
Azami's army is more efficient but it's cold and impersonal and devalues the individual. Senzaemon's is beautiful and personal...if you're not a side character.
>>150147117
That's really good.
>a hero unit that can take hundreds of soldiers down, unsurpassable, amazing, outright skill, the peak of fighting prowess for as long as they live and there are several of them
>A perfect army led by an incredible general with lieutenants of nearly equal leadership behind thousands of trained soldiers with immaculate armor and hones blades. Individually strong, but together are impregnable and capable of maneuvers or switch tasks and positions
Who wins? Most people like believing in the small number of super-sentai fighters but what's wrong with the gleaming glory of an army that will last forever, long after "the battle" is over?
>>150146932
>>150146932
>You don't beat Rembrandt's art because you have 1000 students put together to paint a portrait.
Yes, you can.
Working together, society creates skyscrapers. No individual, no matter how talented, can do something like that.
Teamwork ALWAYS beats individual skill.
>>150147614
The army literally includes the sentai as a special unit, that's just Central. It's basically a roman legion but backed up by Hercules.
>>150147666
>Working together, society creates skyscrapers.
Want to know how many people wrote up the designs? It's literally just Central and Noncentral. Central lays a design, it's beautiful. Noncentral builds it, it's inspiring.
>>150147510
>A. failed to counter that Great Rulera exist
Never claimed that they didn't.
>B. failed to understand that Azami qualifies as one
That's just false.
>C. Keep bringing succession, it's irrelevant.
It's the most important part. Short sightedness is was destroys nations.
>Try harder.
Don't need to. Not going to spoonfeed you the obvious either.
>Signature dishes are expensive because they're fucking rare
You don't even know what a signature dish is.
>>150147666
>Teamwork ALWAYS beats individual skill
Euler, Gauss, Riemann. These few outshine basically everyone else in their time period combined.
>>150147184
Oh absolutely. Originally, just being good enough to GET INTO Tootsuki was proof enough you could be worth hiring. The problem is, you're a huge risk and the dishes you make may never ever truly be "great." Now, you'll get in AND graduate so anyone who hires you bears no risk at all: you're guaranteed to be able to create Elite 10 level dishes at their restaurant. Something your customers would almost certainly never get a chance to try in their lives, let alone afford.
Here's another analogy: Azami is creating a chain restaurant. "Oh! How boring!! Mom and Pop shops are the best!" Except, Azami is not creating McDonalds. He's creating McWorld's50BestRestaurants all rolled into a single venue. A menu of 40,000 dishes found in every city around the world and he's training chefs who can make each of those dishes perfectly. And those dishes aren't Chicken McNuggets. It's Michelin starred meals.
People just seem to think that's boring without realizing just how many dishes are out there and that the creativity comes from Tootsuki itself, not necessarily the graduate.
>>150147666
Stop this. You're denying genius.
What's their endgame?
>>150148143
The left is clearly Isshiki in a wig
>>150147794
>he doesn't
Alexander isn't a great ruler because he didn't rule for shit but he's a very good judge of tactics and therefore a great military commander. Azami is a top chef worldwide, his judgement of whether or not food is good or a method is good is probably better than your average joe. As this is what he's attempting to 'govern', he qualifies.
>most important part
Tootsuki isn't a fucking nation you autist, and totalitarian regimes which fall because of succession generally do so because of the only viable candidates being shit. If we say that the candidates when azami steps down are alumni Central, they're ALL hypercompetent chefs.
It IS irrevalent because we're discussing the merits of his system right now. In 50 years when he dies, we might not even 'eat' in the sense we do now.
>I don't need to
You used fucking Alex as a great ruler and asked clarification on big man Charlie and use the printing press when reality contradicts you (Germany was more, not less, literate than france during the 17-1800s and aristocracy was curbed by...higher aristocracy, i.e. the fucking king.
Stop pretending you know shit about history at least.
>you don't even know
If one man knows how to create a dish, is that not rare?
>>150147666
Of course one person can build a skyscraper, it'd just take a fiendishly long time.
>>150147666
A skyscraper is simplistic from design, it's manual labor that's tough.
The cylinder combustion engine is something this one german dude thought up on his own. Every gas car you see owes its existence to him.
>>150148207
>Stop pretending you know shit about history at least.
I'm not. But at least I know how important the printing press was. But here's the spoon, say aaah;Germany is no longer ruled by the aristocracy is it. Do you get it now? the change isgradual.
>>150148143
Blow up Tootsuki.
>>150147920
The whole Azami thing is just a typical debate between process vs result.
Azami is neutering creativity and education for raw skill. It's been shown that students don't understand WHY they do things and they breakdown when the situation doesn't fit the script. I'm sure a lot of good meals will come out of it for sure.
But is it really worth it? All creativity is put into the hands of a few people while everyone else copies them. The human perspective is pretty narrow and what one person finds delicious and delectable another won't. What gives Azami the right to shut down restaurants that don't fit into his narrow world view?
>>150148207
>It IS irrevalent because we're discussing the merits of his system right now.
Also you do fucking realise that Azami isn't the totalitarian ruler of the school, right? And even if he was he would have just replaced the previous one, rendering that whole argument mute in relation to which system was better. try using
>B-but I was only talking about Tootsuki!!
now.
>>150148370
>gradual
I supppse that's why it had the strongest aristocracy save russia by turn of the XX century despite the highest literacy and sitting smack on the first moveable type press in Europe huh
Oh the press was fucking important, but it showed up in 1500 and the king (not nobility) actually got stronger in many places during the transition timeframe, it doesn't correlate whatsoever considering China and Korea had and used the press for a thousand extra years and the disparity between England and Germany and Russia's situation, nor does it direct lead to aristocratic power weakening.
You're missing a huge fucking link to the fall of aristocracy. You can't take any important idea or invention and say it's why X happened. The Stirrup caused the Arab Invasion of Persia. It's part of the whole chain, but see how stupid that sounds?
>>150148525
Nobody was discussing the system. Name me any perfect system of government, inb4 bureaucratic democracy, let's shut that down: populism.
>>150148512
Creativity is overrated. A b-tier chef isn't going to create anything of note. Someone Azami approves of creates anything, not just what Azami likes.
>>150148731
>Name me any perfect system of government
>>150148731
>You can't take any important idea or invention and say it's why X happened.
Stop taking everything literal. And I'm done spoonfeeding you now, if you can't understand why the printing press was so important in the west than you're just an idiot. Or a child.
>>150148851
>totalitarianism has always collapased
>yeah but it's lasted longer than the longest lasting democracy multiple times and all other forms have also.failed before, sometimes real fast
>h-haha no u
>>150148950
>hell has sustained itself longer than something more tolerable than hell
>hell is therefore desirable
Bootlicker logic.
>>150148950
>>totalitarianism has always collapased
>>yeah but it's lasted longer than a form of government that hasn't collapsed
>This is an argument.
Who said anything about democracy anyway?
>>150148835
In general, especially for 3D, I'd agree with you. But I can see the other anon's stance and I don't disagree with him either. For the manga's sake, it has to stay interesting...not realistic. As a result, Azami needs to fail, Souma needs to win, pages of lewd foodgasms need to be drawn. As much sense as Azami's system makes (and I've been one of the anons defending it) it ultimately means there's less creativity and less artistic merit and for a manga that's message beyond entertainment is "unique things are great!" the "copycat Azami" is going to have to fail.
>>150148945
That it is important has fuckall to do with aristocracy failing, imbecile. The stirrup too was important as fuck and where it showed up lead to the events that made arab invasion possible, but it didn't fucking cause it.
>I'm done
You don't actually have anything of substance, that's why.
The greatest immediate effect of the press was Reformation and the spread of Vernacular language, although many places had a basic version in place through stuff like Divine Comedy or Chaucey. You don't get to draw a line between three to four hundred years and go 'haha there'.
>>150149061
>great rulers exist
If you argue that they didn't, I suggest you retake history 101.
>>150149082
Literally every form of government has collapsed before. Roman Empire 150 AD was godly compared to basically everywhere else. Plenty of African shithole democracies don't make it work, Mideast was doing much better under some dictators than now, France under Louis XIV did better than Mexico with their president. Ottomen were doing well until the Sultanate of Women, etc.
>democracy
Can you give me an example of a government you're thinking of?
>>150149121
I didn't say Azami is going to win or that Tsukuda wouldn't be high in acid for keeping him, he needs to fucking go.
>>150149318
Freedom is valuable in and of itself.
>this triggers the collectivist Borg
>>150149357
>freedom
Isn't a form of government unless you advocate anarchy or ancap bs.
>Azami thinks elitism is killing Tootsuki
>uses elite 10 to get rid of dissenters
Isn't this a contradiction?
>>150149357
Nah
>>150149408
He's comically evil even if it doesn't even make sense because you're really not supposed to like a designated villain.
>>150149400
>wanting someone to steal your money and tell you what to do
You outta go live in Venice - Tony will be happy to give you more of what you crave then you're getting right now famalam
>>150149318
>The greatest immediate effect of the press
It's just getting funny now.
>>150148392
>Cooking show turns into terrorism and political campaigns.
>>150149466
So, anarchy?
>>150149482
k
>>150147614
At this point, I don't think there's a right answer.
After reading this thread, I can only think that both sides has its ups and downs, you pick one and hope it'll win.
EVERYONE FUCK OFF
COOKINGSHIT ONLY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>150149505
Answer is obvious.
>>150149318
>Literally every form of government has collapsed before
And yet all of the west has the same form of.
And redefining collapsing isn't making you look smarter buddy. Doing better than =/= collapsing.
>leave thread to fap
>come back
>discussion about forms of government and world political history
wew
>>150149528
Look, we're are in a Shokugeki no Souma thread, of course we would talk about polictics.
What? Do you think this is a cooking manga or something?
>>150149528
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Would you eat froglegs, anon?
>>150149552
>redefining
African shithole running democracy explodes into chaos, is that not collapaing?
>all of the west
For less than 100. Monarchy was a thing for 1000, and not all of the west is even doing well despite the more connected economy.
Am I advocating monarchy? No, because while good monarch is godly and an okay one okay, a bad one is really, really, REALLY fucking bad. That being said, democracy hasn't had much time to test itself. The US has gone for 250 years total, 170 without civil war. Monarchies and Empires have lasted longer with comparable stability and relative prosperity.
>>150149715
Parliament kinda
>>150149799
England's weird because Parliament slowly sapped the Monarch's powers, when they should qualify as a monarchy and when as effectively just Parliament itself I'm not sure, but Victorian Era still had a non-figurehead.
>>150149715
>Am I advocating monarchy? No
>Been sucking totalitarian dick all thread long
>>150149715
No offense, but instead of talking politics you should learn to type properly.
>>150149917
I've been supporting AZAMI, who I think is a competent leader. A competent dictator gets more done than a competent president or PM solely by virtue of less or no red tape or haggling with parliament or Nat. Assembly or whatever.
After that it comes down to whether or not you agree with his agenda, to see if he pushes more through or less through.
>>150149956
I don't see much of an issue with that post, what am I missing?
Where do these people fuck off to
/pol/? /his/? /b/? Reddit?
>>150150198
I don't even know anymore. I'm confused.
>>150150105
>AZAMI, who I think is a competent leader
>A leader who wants to get rid of people of merit who don't agree with him
>A leader who wants to own every restaurant in Japan and turn them all into the same high class restaurant. Fuck what the people want.
>An elitist who won't let other people pursue the research they want.
Yeah sounds like a great leader.
The shit you read on /a/.
>>150134551
Manga was golden before all this Azami nonsense. Maybe it will somehow work out in the end though.
>>150142463
>super sick apparently
With what? Any idea?
>>150147666
Sorry satan but only a few elite designed the building.
The fodder building the pyramids are nothing to compared the elite designing it.
>>150143791
>Souma and previous headmaster THRIVE on conflict.
Souma, the emissary of chaos. LEL.
>>150150511
Presistant japanese cold.
>>150150389
>high class
Read the thread. If you don't like any food from all of Central's dishes, I'd say you're being difficult. It can't even be expensive because of the immense supply.
>research they want
>didn't read the thread
Anyone in Central can do fucking whatever. Getting into central is a matter of talent. If you're mediocre shit you're not turning out anything of note.
>a leader who wants to get rid of people of merit...
If you don't you got a revolt on your hands, blowing apart EVERYONE of merit. It's interally inconsistent though
Hats.
>>150150455
That's because Kuga and Stagiare were good.
>>150149715
The blood of traitors flows through America's veins, glowing hot with whichever ideology it can bend to it's dark and selfish purposes.
>>150150649
Triggered.
>discussing power and forms of government
Shokugeki no Soma is a cooking manga.
>>150150649
I want to die being suffocated by Erina's thighs
>>150150633
>It can't even be expensive because of the immense supply
You completely gloss over the fact that many people wouldn't want to eat high class everytime. People get cravings for fast food all the time. I even know people who are completely unintrested in fancy food and just want a burger or a steak with fries when they go out to eat. Lastly high class food will require expensive products and time to prepare it meaning it will definetely be expensive. In short his business-plan is retarded and will fail completely. Especially since there's only so many high-class restaurants an area can sustain.
>I'd say you're being difficult
Who the fuck are you, or anyone for that matter, to say what food I should eat.
>Anyone in Central can do fucking whatever
And those outside central are fucked. What a great leader.
>blowing apart EVERYONE of merit
When you silence someone it shows that you are afraid of what they will say. This is a clear sign of an insecure bitch, the opposite of a great leader.
What they really should do is establish a new school and take as many of the old school's contacts and students with them and then just laugh as Azami completely destroys Tootsuki.
>/a/ - Politically Incorrect
>Someone makes a dumb totalitarian comparison
>Thread is now full /pol/
>>150133828
Add Blush To azami
>>150141325
This arc desperately needs to end but he is right about how the cooking has become more bullshit than most shounen powerups.
>>150149715
>>150149956
How do you autists live with yourselves?
>>150151075
I see the problem here. You don't understand what Azami is doing. I'll explain it in two points:
1. Azami is power hungry. He wants to rule the culinary world. Simple.
2. Azami's Tootsuki is just as effective as Senzaemon's Tootsuki. Before, the GRADUATES were the proof of Tootsuki's greatness: they were astonishing chefs. Now, TOOTSUKI itself is the proof: Azami ensures every graduate can create perfect cuisine.
And here is the single point that you seem hung up on: Azami has "bad taste" or is "narrow." He ABSOLUTELY doesn't and isn't. Azami Nakiri (Nakamura) is likely the 3rd best chef on the planet, behind only Gin (who serves Azami and helps run Tootsuki anyway) and Jou (who Azami has the utmost respect for). Azami does NOT have "bad taste" he has supremely good taste. Proof in not only the fact that he himself is a top-ranked chef, but that 100% of Central's dishes are causing food orgasms in literally everyone who eats them. Finally, he is NOT "narrow" as if there is only 1 style of cuisine coming from Tootsuki and there are only 12 or so dishes he approves of. There are HUNDREDS of cuisines Azami approves of and THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dishes he finds worthy eating. Literally the only thing he disapproves of is less-than-perfect food. He's training the culinary world to look to HIM (Tootsuki) for "what good food is" and not the graduates. He' got a big ego. But that ego isn't unwarranted.
Senzaemon was uninvolved in Tootsuki. He set up rules and let the students disqualify each other by the thousands until only about 6-7 graduated a year. What a horrifying result for 99% of the school.
Azami is extremely involved in Tootsuki. He sets up the rules and then personally teaches, personally creates, and personally judges literally every single dish his students create. If it's not to his satisfaction, he says so and you spend your school days making it better (where as before, you were expelled) until it reaches standard.
Romance arc when?
>>150152101
To add, the reason people don't like him is because he's a douchebag father to Erina. She's his mini-tootsuki and doesn't want her to like anything he doesn't already approve of. That's how he was training that God-Tongue of hers. We, as readers, have seen several things than makes Azami seem evil: he doesn't approve of Souma (a rebel) but Souma has caused Erina to foodgasm. This shows that Azami isn't omniscient and he doesn't like that.
People hate Azami because they like Erina.
>>150152197
>People hate Azami because they like Erina.
No, people hate Azami because he ruined SnS ever since he appeared.
>>150152262
I mean, you say that, but I don't think the guy's actually been part of a bad scene since he showed up.
>>150152262
Well yes, that, too. This would have been an entertaining arc if it occurred at the end of 2nd year or beginning of 3rd year and lasted only a short time.
The pleasure of this manga was looking at delicious food and ogling lewd girls in a bizarre, dystopian, frankly overbearing culinary institution where everything was massive and we watched a good kid with talent take it all in while trying to romance the tsundere ojou with his mighty Dish.
>>150152306
Just an arc ago, he destroyed the Shiomi seminar in order to get Hayama to join elite 10. And don't get me started on what he did to Erina..
>>150152101
Azami creates cooking robots.
There's no room for passion or fun in what he have in his plans for the school.
Am pretty convinced that's the main theme of the conflict and why many are pissy about him.
>>150152306
The "I mind raped erina" thing was dumb as fuck, like the second chapter he's in there's him on a giant throne of bones which is actually comical how out of tone it is.
>>150152410
A scene that evokes extreme emotional responses isn't inherently bad.
>>150151263
Holy fucking shit, you don't think Gordon Ramsey could lose to a cook at the Olive Garden every now and then? The world isn't that far off, guys. Cooking isn't the Olympics, where it's 90% genetics and you have to kill yourself to raise your time by .1 seconds. There are a lot more options in cooking.
We don't need to wait another five years to see Souma take out a higher ranked E10 guy.
>>150152162
After we see a flashback arc of Souma's dad meeting Souma's mom.
>>150152573
>where it's 90% genetics
>>150152611
Was Soumamom in a love triangle with Jou and Azami?
>>150152648
Well, it is. Ever seen a white guy win a race?
>>150151263
Erina will carry her team.
Bullshit part is that it was shown, just how great a gap between 1 years and elite 10 is, so would have made a lot more sense, to have them train at least for a year or something before introducing Azami for them to power-up.
>>150152648
When was the last time we've seen a white sprinter or a black swimmer? Certain people and certain races win the genetic lottery in different areas.
>>150153226
>Bullshit part is that it was shown, just how great a gap between 1 years and elite 10 is
Souma's beaten three E10 members and tied with a fourth.
I want the Alumni to come back and train them.
>>150153260
PLS, faggit. None were Shokugeki and thus irelevant, and Pajeet was picked by Azami, he didn't beat anyone to get the seat. Him being Elite 10 is bullshit part in itself, other than MUH DRAMA.
>>150152648
It's really the truth. Humans have a lot of variation between races than only become more apparent the "higher" you go (specialized exercise). A perfect example, even removing race, is the fact there are "men's" and "women's" divisions.
People can argue as they like about ability or skill or talent or intelligence or experience etc etc, but when all things become equal, genetics play a very large determining role on the outcome.
>>150144463
What part of "Always believe the opposite of what Rindou says" don't you understand?
Fucking dragons
>>150152471
There is if you manage to get into the Elite 10 though.
Old Tots only created a handful of SS+ cooks, new Tots creates a handfull of S cooks (excluding the E10 formed in old tots) and a lot of B class cooks.
>>150135491
Rindou is actually Souma's stepsister from another mother Jouichiro fucked before he met Souma's mother when he traveled the world.
>>150135821
>Tosh
it's that someone who does doujins
>>150135852
>>150154366
If you guys don't even know this, you should go back.
Funny how Kurokiba who is suppose to match Souma and Spice is going to get outdone by Meg.
>>150155606
Kurokiba really got the short end of the stick from that shitty trio thing. Souma is Souma, Hayama became a elite and easily beat Ren when he barely did it.
Since I don't give a shit about him I couldn't care less though.
Post yfw Megumi and Italian jobber are part of the E10 once the arc settles while Alice, mad dog, and curry are not.
>>150155800
>Alice
>not a jobber.
>>150133859
Team Azami :
Eishi Rindou Momo Sword Nene eliteX eliteY Eizan
Team Joe :
Erina Soma chullo Isshiki Kuuga Takumi MegumiMimasaka
>>150155930
Kuga will get his rematch with Tsukasaand lost.
Pacha will finally do something against Rindouand job
>>150150586
Yeah, he thought it was just a seasonal flu iirc, but then it kept going.
>>150155800
I want neither of them as a 10 at this point.
Like what the fuck? Azami's a headmaster now, and suddenly some 1st years can wipe the floor with 2nd years, not to mention E10. What a bull. Lets not forget, that even most shittiest 2nd year cooks went through the same training they did and more (with all the weeding out and practical placement in restaurants). It was stressed many times that Toutsuki isn't some regular high school, where slackers can just get by doing nothing but pulling attendance sheet and eventually - graduating. All the 2nd years are great cooks already, and elite 10 are exceptionally talented individuals, best among best.
>>150156272
The first years are said to be the Jeweled Generation so it's not fair to compare them with previous years.
But I agree with you in how foolish and poorly written it would be if some of the first years who didn't even make it to semis in the autumn elections were to get elite 10 seats before two of the finalists.
>>150156635
>The first years are said to be the Jeweled Generation so it's not fair to compare them with previous years.
Yes it's fair. They are better than second years WHEN THEY WERE FIRST YEARS THEMSELVES. My point still stands.
>>150156272
That's exactly why it's going towards that team battle right now. Azami will accept for whatever bullshit reason, most likely because Soma's dad and the grandpa will offer something deemed worthy of his attention, team Soma will win so Megumi and Italy can get some credit while relying on actual good cooks.
>>150140404
His mother is DEAD!
>>150152731
Both of them loved Jou
>>150142280
ugm Rindou, Eishi Synergy??
>>150147117
This analogy made me cum.
>>150152162
>mangapanda
>>150148143
Who the fuck are these two? Which chapter is this from?
>>150148167
He's wearing clothes though.
>>150158499
Guys who will job to Takumi and Megumi, most likely.
>>150156031
>Pacha will finally do something against Rindou and job
Nah he's gonna destroy Momo, especially since she is practically guaranteed to have taken the third seat
I think I was going off appearances at first but I'm not sure anymore
Someone can make a better chart later
>>150158579
I can't tell, is that blonde wearing clothes or not?
Seems like they're expys of Isshiki and Kuga is that's the case?
>>150158985
He is definitely wearing clothes.
>>150159085
Even here? >>150148143
>>150159140
He is, that's just shitty niggerstream cleaning.
Seems pretty tight though, what a slut.
>>150153457
>None were Shokugeki and thus irelevant
>>150159243
I see, I think Tsukusa is a real slut though.
>>150158975
B-but Aoko is not a part of Fate cast...
>>150159381
And before anyone ketchup memes or any of that shit, Eizan made the best dish he was able to there and that match was hilariously stacked against Souma.
The fact that Eizan absolutely lost his shit after eating some of Souma's gyoza should speak volumes about how outclassed he was there.
>>150133363
this chapter was Classic Souma.
>>150156272
>>150157681
The E10 is a different story, but let me stop you there. You realize that Nene, Isshiki, Kuga, and Eizan are better than all but 5 of the third years right? And you realize Erina is better than all students but 5 third years and 4 second years, right?
So yeah, the very top 1st years like Souma and Hayama are going to beat the pants off a lot of the 2nd, and even some of the third years, even without muh jewel generation. Since back when they were first years, the likes of Tsukasa and Rindou could have done the same. Again, taking on the E10 is a different story though.
>>150159572
>Nene, Isshiki, Kuga, and Eizan are better than all but 5 of the third years right?
I wonder how many third years there are in total. They'd have to be pretty damn good to survive two years of Tootsuki but weaker than Eizan and Kuga. Which is kind of sad
Yes that's all fine and dandy but Hayami Sho gonna voice Azami or not?
>>150159638
Well there's the two new elites and there were a bunch of them in the battle royale but were wipped by Hayama nonetheless.
>>150159572
>>150157681
>>150156272
Nothing that Souma is doing is special. You idiots aren't paying attention and think that this is breaking the rules, but it's not. Souma isn't even as exceptional as a lot of the alumni were back when they were at school. He's a genius, but he's a middle-of-the-road genius. There are better geniuses than him. Getting into the E10 as a freshman isn't that impressive. Other people have done it. Hell, Erina got into the E10 as a middle schooler.
>>150159698
Are the two new elites confirmed to be third years? I don't remember if all years participated in the battle royale
>>150159780
Actually, I don't remember. I just assumed since they were making a big deal of the third years there.
>>150159757
>Erina got into the E10 as a middle schooler.
Yeah, cause Erina is nothing special, right? She doesn't have a certain gift that puts her above most cooks no matter their age, right? I agree with you on the rest, but that last example is really wrong.
>>150152162
Thinking of Erina and Souma cooking together makes my heartboner throb.
>>150150649
Erina wearing Jou's jacket
>>150159780
They're not confirmed to be third years.
Odds is favor of them being third years, since there is about 15 of them (including the five E10 members)
>>150158975
Takumi fits better as lancer and Gil as Eishi.
Has Erina yet tasted dick?
>>150153669
>new Tots creates a handfull of S cooks
Jesus fucking christ, some people just don't get it do they. Azami creates copycats, not chefs. A real chef creates his own recipes. What Azami is doing is the opposite.
>>150159757
Erina's the only person whose done that though. Hence why they told us at the start that she's the youngest E10 in the school's history.
>>150164052
We have Azami getting the third seat by his first year.
>>150158579
When the fuck did Yun and Remy join Tootsuki and where the fuck is Yang?
>>150164165
Yes, in the middle of his first year, we know.
Someone remind me, before this chapter, has Erina ever discovered that Souma was the spawn of Saiba?
>>150164588
Ch 150, hard to miss.
>>150164643
Ah there we go.
Thanks.
Erina's status: useless.
>>150164588
>forgetting the chapter where erina starts to melt
Sup Spee D. Reader-kun
So there's 9 current Elites. Erina is on Souma's side. Rindou is presumably not allowed to participate. That leaves 7. Souma's team has 4. The rest of their friends are expelled. Are Tousuke, Isshiki, and Kuga going to join the team?
Hopefully the author doesn't write himself into a corner, otherwise he's gonna need to pull some bullshit in order to both remove Azami and not get all the main characters into the elite 10, but also save them from getting expelled.
Tosh, please, make Erina stand up to her father for once, she is fucking pathetic.
>>150165237
>>150166367
We heard you the first time bub
>>150144056
I thought the whole point of the Hayama arc was to show he used his existing knowledge, refused help from experts, and didn't try to expand his horizons. He lost the "Research spirit" of the research society he belonged to. Meanwhile Souma spent every minute possible looking for new ingredients and techniques.
Hayama's loss was telegraphed from the moment he turned away the expensive consultants hired by central.
>>150146593
The new system creates robots that spit out the recipes they're given. The new system creates the perfect army of sous-chefs, but no head chefs to lead their own kitchens.
>>150146593
See, it doesn't create THOUSANDS of GODLY, SSS, DIVINE chefs. Those are the chefs at the top, feeding these Central grown-cooks. It creates THOUSANDS of robo-chefs who are taught that they're only valuable when they follow the rules of the elite and will be too afraid to step out of the line to try to be one of the GODLY, SSS, DIVINE chefs.
The will still be less than a dozen GODLY, SSS, DIVINE chefs. Only if you join Azami in his elitism and he thinks your taste is not shit though.
>>150147920
Oh, see anon, he's not just making chain restaurants. He plans on controlling everything that's considered cuisine. He wants a culture here his brand of elitism is king. He wants a world where the elite dictate what's delicious and that is what all you plebs are going to call delicious. This is the culture he wants to breed and perpetuate along with his cuisine.
He is the 'x is art' people, and art needs to be elite because only 'high art' is real art. The popular stuff is only popular because the pleb masses are uneducated people with shit taste.
Great dishes are going to come out of Tootsuki ! sure, but only if it's elite enough for him. Business that make food he doesn't like, he will attempt to kill with pressure and influence. Because those things can't exist in his world.
What's that ? You can't afford his elite fast food that is best in the world ? too bad, Azami bought out McDonalds last week and they're closing down. Doesn't matter if he brings the cost down with his methods, money needs to be made to run his elite society and everything about his cuisine must be elite.
He is the cuisine version of /a/ elitists turned into a villain, and your favorite anime is all pleb shit.
>>150169644
/pol/-kun won't listen to reason and just spout out irrelevant historic information to try to cover the fact that he has no argument.
Can't really make people listen to reason when they cover their ears so hard and scream LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU every time you say something.
>>150152101
>Finally, he is NOT "narrow" as if there is only 1 style of cuisine coming from Tootsuki and there are only 12 or so dishes he approves of. There are HUNDREDS of cuisines Azami approves of and THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dishes he finds worthy eating
This is wrong. Kinda.
Remember when Chapelle-sensei and some others ate that kid's dish, that used Central's skills? He said that he could only see Azami's face in the dish, even though it was good.
>>150163723
Azami allows creativity, creations and experimentation as long as you are part of the E10.
>>150170512
As long as you agree to his terms, work for him and also as long as your dishes are something he personally approves of.