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It's been twelve years since this disaster aired, has there

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It's been twelve years since this disaster aired, has there ever been a bigger train wreck since?
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>>150106614
g-recog
the fate series
anything by kyoani that isn't purely fanservice
monogatari series
any series your waifu is from

need I name anymore?
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Ma-fucking-yoiga
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>>150106711
Neither of those are even close this disaster, come on none of those shows stooped to the level of recap episodes and flat out rehashing frames from the previous show.
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>>150106852
nothing can be close too that disaster. I'm just naming shows I don't like. isn't that what this thread is about?
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>>150106904
> I'm just naming shows I don't like. isn't that what this thread is about?

Trash and train wreck is not the same thing you know.
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>>150106852
>g-reco
>not even close

you're right, g-reco is way WAY worse
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>>150106971

G-RECO did not fuck up the animation unlike Gundam SEED Destiny which fucked up everything except for the sound I guess.
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>>150107036
no the sound was fucked too.
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>>150106769
>Mayoiga
>trainwreck
Yeah, no. Mayoiga was just bad. The threads were just as bad, too, because Mayoigafags were trying way too hard to turn it into something it wasn't.
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What's amazing about Gundam SEED Destiny is that it manages to make Gundam SEED which was a whatever meh show, into a complete piece of crap because it pretty much goes and takes a massive shit one of the earlier core plot lines of the show.
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Valvrave comes close but unlike Destiny which is just horrendous and not enjoyable to watch, Valvrave ends up being some kind of unintentional parody of the mecha genre.
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>>150106711
>anything by kyoani that isn't purely fanservice
Name even one Kyoani show that was purely fanservice.

That's what I thought.
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>>150107459
Nah, it's just plain garbage.
SEED Destiny also have those 'so bad it's funny' moments too, it's still garbage.
Valvrave is at least twice shorter, and it gets so dumb it almost ends up as some sort of dadaistic work of art.
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>>150107641
>Valvrave is at least twice shorter, and it gets so dumb it almost ends up as some sort of dadaistic work of art.

That's kinda what I meant though retarded plot twists left and right because that clearly makes it deep or something, rape scene clearly indicated that the story is mature
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>>150106971
At least G-reco had unique designs unlike SEED Destiny which gave us Zeon Mk.IV:electric boogaloo:the re-naziing
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>>150106614
Sunrise is king of train wreck.
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>>150106614
Valvrave.
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>>150108058

You have to give them credit, at least they're trying to do shit outside of the norm. It's how we end up with something good like Geass or Mai-HiME and unfortunately how we also end up with Valvrave and Cross Ange.
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>>150106614

The new SEED Astray spinoff mangas might just top Destiny
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>>150106614
I'm still too afraid to finish this.
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>>150108306
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>>150108447
Is this mobile suit being ironic or something?
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>>150108447
Holy fuck what is that abomination, someone fire whoever designed it ASAP.
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HERE WE GO I KNOW ONE

Guilty crown.

you literally cannot make a fucking catastrophy like that anime without having terminal autism or a brain tumor
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>>150108447
Disgusting what the fuck is that. It reminds me of that shitty retarded women child's Gundam.
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>>150107493
amagi was 1 cour of girls with large proportions getting angry at other girls with large proportions and then sometimes dancing or dressing up
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>>150108680
Eh. I think GC was too short to be a SEED-tier trainwreck. It was certainly a shithouse mess but between both SEEDs there are maybe ~10 mediocre episodes, ~10 "bad" episodes and the other ~84 episodes (including literally all of Destiny) are some of the worst shit ever aired.
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Why couldn't this be SEED Destiny instead?
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>>150108287
>unfortunately
Fuck your shit taste.
Also, Big Order to OP.
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>>150106614
Valvrave? That show was pretty damn entertaining even as the world burned around it.
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>>150108736
Amagi Brilliant park was great and i'm only giving you and (you) because I doubt anyone else will respond.
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>>150108878
imagine if GC had 30 more episodes.

we would all have brain tumors the size of shoe's
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>>150106614
I don't care what anyone says itt, no matter what, nothing that happens in animation for the next 100 years, will never top the trainwreck that was SEED Destiny, ESPECIALLY it's final 16 or so episodes.

You see most trainwrecks we get today occur because of the team's incompetence, but Destiny was different, and this is because it's production crew was having a fucking soap opera behind the scenes.

NEVER have I heard of a produciton where the director's wife was given a writing position because she fucks him.
NEVER had I heard of a show where literally all the crew hated the director and his wife
NEVER had I heard of a show where mecha design was approved by 5th graders
NEVER have I heard of a show where someone tried to make extra animation, and the director denied it
NEVER had I heard of a show where the director and his wife spent the budget on vacations

You wanna know why else SEED/Destiny were trash? Because not only were they the first gundam works of the millenium, but they actually had the potential to be good, even masterpieces.
But one shitty director and his hack wife ruined it.

I'm surpised /m/ and /a/ didn't have a sticky when morosawa died, she is probably responsible for ruining anime, or at least mecha anime for the past 14 years.
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>>150109724
>morosawa died
>morosawa died

Holy shit I have been under the radar for a while but damn

I wonder if the japs are still hounding and shitposting on his twitter about the seed movie
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>>150109724
Still sold 100k, somehow
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>>150109724
I knew it was bad
But I didn't know it was THAT bad.
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>>150109724
did all that really happen?
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>>150109850
dammit anon, now i got to fap to tomo again
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>>150109724
>given a writing position because she fucks him.
its not as if you've would have done differently if it were you.
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>>150109890
go on /m/ and do your research, SEED and Destiny have had many crew members come out and talk shit about the directors, there's more stuff, but I don't remember
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>>150106614
tfw I watched it years ago when I was young and thought it was okay and now don't get why people hate it, but don't want to go and watch it again in case it is terrible
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>>150110009
so far im not finding anything on goggle and I don't trust /m/
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>>150109724
his wife died earlier this year
of a broken heart.
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>>150110041
I watched it when I was young too, and liked it, but rewatching it made me realize a lot.

You can still like them, I still do, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize its faults
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>>150110009
There was also something about Morosawa being jealous about Fukudas relationship with some VA or something if I recall correctily.
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>>150109724
And to top it all off it sold marvelously.
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>>150106711
You're trying way too hard anon.
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>>150109724
I won't talk shit about Morosawa because that's kinda fucked up in my book, but yeah both of them can't write for shit and their stupid Gary stu stand ins ruined both of SEED and especially Destiny. I kinda do like the designs of characters and mechs because Hirai can design well if you can get past his same face. I'd consider the music of a saving grace but that's pushing it a bit much. The Cosmic Era as a whole is fucking squandered potential besides Stargazer which was fucking good.
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>>150107493
phantom world
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>>150110453
>I'd consider the music of a saving grace but that's pushing it a bit much
The music in SEED is amazing, but that's because that's all they spent their budget on
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>>150106614
Destiny has the fourth highest BD sales in the franchise, got into almost every SRW game since Scramble Commander 2nd, has the largest fanbase with younger fans, and has the most developed setting of any Gundam AU, disaster this was not unless you are an exceptionally butthurt anon from /m/
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>>150110009
>go on /m/
/m/ isn't a source. Do you have actual facts to back it up? The only thing that's been proven is Kenichi Suzumura saying he preferred his character's treatment in SRW, as well as the general atmosphere of disagreement between Fukuda and the staff, all of that other shit sounds like gossip.
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>>150107459
>parody
Literally how? And of what series, Tekkaman Blade?
>>150107641
>SEED Destiny also have those 'so bad it's funny' moments too, it's still garbage.
Still better than Iron Mnstruation
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>>150110530
>Do you have actual facts to back it up?
There are some interviews scattered online, but I don't have links to em.
I only say /m/ because they'd probably have access to them
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>>150110519

And that makes it somehow what good?

It was a mess and the complete utter shit posting about it on /a/ resulted in another board being formed.
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>>150110564
>And that makes it somehow what good?
best entry in the franchise
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>>150110519
>Destiny has the fourth highest BD sales in the franchise, got into almost every SRW game since Scramble Commander 2nd, has the largest fanbase with younger fans, and has the most developed setting of any Gundam AU

>disaster this was not

Explain to me in no uncertain terms how either of these things are relevant to eachother.

Destiny was the worst-written mecha show of all time.
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>>150110494
Yeah, I'm pretty sure TM Revolution got most of that money. I think a few of the songs including the ones by See Saw were done by Kajiura when she was better than what she is currently.
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>>150109724
Can someone explain me why the first GSD episodes up until Kira's reappearance was so good? Why did the breakdown occur after this?
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>>150106614
Just within Gundam alone, there was the 00 movie, which yes, was even worse than Destiny.

And I assure you there's been worse stuff outside of the 00 movie made during these years.
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>>150110690
>Can someone explain me why the first GSD episodes up until Kira's reappearance was so good?
It honestly wasn't. That's a very old meme. Don't get me wrong, quality declines as the series goes on, but it started lackluster.
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>>150110617
>Destiny was the worst-written mecha show of all time.
Have you not seen Infinite Ryvius and Valvrave?
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>>150106614
Code Geass R2.

Though that was the enjoyable kind of trainwreck.
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>>150110690
I honestly have no idea and haven't looked into it.

What I can guess is that people wanted Kira back and so they wrote him back in.

>>150110770
>but it started lackluster.
come on, I think Destiny is bad, but the start was definitely something fresh.

We had a competent pilot who was fresh out the military, and instead of being a merciless killer, or a random civilian, he was a damaged kid out for revenge.

The Junius 7 arc was also pretty good when you think about what it did with the series' established world building,
and I liked the episodes where they just go around the world showing you how the EA is mistreating people, even in most other gundam series they never show you how the other side's actions affect civilians, you just get a colony drop, or you're told they're oppresive, but we rarely see it.

Sadly after that the show's overall quality TANKS
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>>150110807
>Have you not seen Infinite Ryvius
>All the protagonists want to do is get off the boat
>All the antagonists want to do is get them off the boat
>Somehow this results in armed conflict and genocide
Fuck that show was flawed.
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>>150110807
>Infinite Ryvius
I understand valverave, but Infinite Ryvius?
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>>150110770
Pretty much this

Hell while we are at it the way the show starts was illogical

Earth Alliance provoking and instigating this conflict made no fucking sense, they were completely devastated and drained out by the previous conflict, so they sneak in this state of the art warship that has a cloaking feature and then decide to steal these new technology MS, ok that's fine but why the hell did they after this not launch the nuclear bombs as they would have in the previous show to knock out and cripple the enemies armed forces and then start the war.
While we are at it they had that damn generic death star rip off being constructed at the time making this early attack even more idiotic.

Seriously this show was not good it was just watching the Earth Alliance get completely fucked in the ass for 40 episodes and the guys who put up the best fight were mooks in Mobile Armours, speaking of which happened to that "our problems are solved now that we have this OS for Mobile Suits" in SEED Destiny EA mobile suits were shit and the MA were good.
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>>150110978
>>All the antagonists want to do is get them off the boat

I forgot the details, but weren't they trying to kill the kids because they had knowledge of a military prototype?
Also I think somewhere in the show it said that those ships used a type of organic cpu that made people go crazy so that's another part of it.

it's been a while since I watched it though
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>>150110081
I wouldn't sleep with an Athrun fangirl.
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He could have been good instead they went down with the most generic garbage route
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>>150111136
Either way, the kids wanted off the ship, they wanted the kids off the ship, and so they went to war. Even if you had to rub them out to keep the knowledge secret, surely that's easier when they're not controlling a military vessel.

Hell wasn't the ending just one of the enemy ships letting them get off?
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>>150111388
>Hell wasn't the ending just one of the enemy ships letting them get off?

yeah I forgot exactly how it went but basically they mindbreak the enemy ship's captain after it's revealed his daughter who went missing was possesed by aliens and used as one of the ship's cpus.
There's a few pieces missing I forgot about but I don't think they were going to let the kids off alive.

Also iirc Airs Blu did something early in the series to screw them of any chance of getting off peacefully
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>>150110041
This happened to me with Valvrave because I didn't browse the threads
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>>150110041
It's okay to watch shit anime.
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>>150111781
I ironically watch every anime that airs every season so I can shitpost about it
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>>150109382
Came here to post this.

Big Order might be the biggest trainwreck I've ever seen.
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>>150111856
>At first, he believes that when he was a kid, what he wished for when he was approached by Daisy was the destruction of the world, but, after being targeted to be assassinated by Rin, he remembers that what he wished for was world domination. Due to his wish, he gains the ability to control anything, living and non-living, as long as they are in his domain, that is, places he has placed his 'anchor' and 'wire' on. He places Rin under his control after he and his sister were about to be killed by her and ordered her to be his companion. He also becomes the leader of the infamous organization, "Dazaifu Government Organization" that seeks to create an independent country by declaring war on other countries. Eiji decides to rule this organization to create a world where his sister, Sena would be safe. He falls in love with Rin at first sight and spares her life when she tries to assassinate him.

This sure is some quality writing
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>>150110807
Ryvius was much better written than Valvrave or SEED Destiny. The children acted their age.
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>>150110978
Not really, because the protagonists and antagonists had no real communication between them for most of the story. Also, there wasn't really any genocide.
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>>150110888
Geass R2 was more of a rollercoaster. It landed safely as opposed to Destiny crashing through the wall and hurting people.
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>>150106614
No, not at all.

Destiny did something weird as fuck by completely switching the protagonists at one point for no reason other than Kira being popular. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
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>>150107459
>Valvrave
>unintentional
This is what people with low power level really believe.
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>>150107743
The rape scene was juxtaposed with Shoko winning the election and an episode later the OS girl flashed the word MARRIAGE all across the screen as a cliffhanger. Quite the opposite of maturity.
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>>150108680
Fuck Guilty Crown.
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>>150111898
The funny part is how the description sounds enticing compared to the actual show.

It's so full of terrible anime tropes and it takes nearly everything it has from other series like Code Geass, Mirai Nikki, etc.
Many things are unexplained, most of what is explained changes randomly and it makes no goddamn sense.

It's just such a clusterfuck of terrible.
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>>150111898
Big Order was by the Future Diary guy. He has...strange ideas and fetishes.
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>>150111917
>The children acted their age.
Evil fucks is not an age.
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>>150112115
I was legitimately shocked that it was not based on a LN.
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>>150112167
They were alone and without supervision. Did you not read Lord of the Flies? That was even darker.
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>>150110982
Valvrave had a few semi-decent things, IR has literally nothing going for it whatsoever. I have seen every supposed anime that isn't stop motion or hentai. I have seen seizure inducing experimental shorts, Infinite Ryvius is the worst.
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>>150112225
>every supposed BAD anime
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THE CG alone will make you gouge your eyes out


also no its not a damn dreamcast game
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>>150112225
Infinite Ryvius had an interesting portrayal of social conflict and drama in a tiny society governed by young teenagers, nice submarine-style mecha battles and character development. These are all good things.
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>>150112291
It looks like a PS1 game.
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>>150111949
Didn't they blow up Ganymede?
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>>150112325
No, looks like a PS2 game.

Ps1 is a lot more blocky, less polygons.
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>>150112225
Watch more anime.
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>>150112351
A pre-rendered cutscene in a PS1 game then.
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>>150112344
I don't recall, but they sure weren't trying to commit genocide there.
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>>150112380
Fair.
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>>150106614
Does it count if there were never any tracks?

Because the first episode of the best bad show in recent memory began with our main character being Hitler and ended with a cavity search framed as a rape scene. And with that tone set, it just kept on going.
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>>150112225
like >>150112297
said, I liked Ryvius for how it used an ensemble cast to analyze different governing systems, also the way it handled certain aspects of the mecha was really interesting and realistic.
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>>150112639
>Because the first episode of the best bad show in recent memory began with our main character being Hitler and ended with a cavity search framed as a rape scene. And with that tone set, it just kept on going.
Sounds like a hot mess. Was it any good? I know /a/ wouldn't stop talking about it.
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>>150111898
That description is actually pretty legit and solid compared to the actual show.
I mean, when you can't even imagine where can they even go with the plot, the imouto turns out to be the antagonist.
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>>150112874
It was actually good, but you must be familiar with the staff, especially the VAs. Also the sjw shithole that is 4chan now hated it.
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>>150112420
I distinctly remember them blowing up a colony to prevent the kids from making contact with it.

It was while headband guy was being a dickhole.
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>>150106614
>>150107147
The only good thing about GSD is that it brought Maaya Sakamoto and Kenichi Suzumura together
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>>150112937
>I distinctly remember them blowing up a colony
yup, it was the saturn colony, and then Blu became a depressed carcass for the rest of the show
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>>150112937
You could be right. But I feel actual genocide is more targeted at a specific group because of its own nature (social, political, ethnic, religious) and not simply to maintain others isolated.
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>>150112874
It was absolutely hilarious. 12/10 series.

Only failing is that the robots originally appear to be planes with motorcyle cockpits. Which would have been awesome.
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>>150112988
>They fell in love and married out of pure hate for fukuda
truly the best gundam series
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>>150112928
>Also the sjw shithole that is 4chan now hated it.
I don't see how 4chan is an "sjw shithole". Political apathy =/= social justice warrior. Just because people don't want to see /pol/ shit leak out of its containment board doesn't make them SJWs, it means that they want to discuss the board topic without having crossboarders come in and shit everything up with unrelated nonsense.
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>>150106614
>spend SEED with learning Athrun that there bad actors working behind the scenes to spur on war
>immediately tell Athrun that this is happening at the start of DESTINY
>spend DESTINY relearning the exact same lesson now with 1000x more angst
>meanwhile Shinn spends every battle in berserker rage mode even before he gets the seed powerup
>somehow gets worse after a girl he met 2 episodes previously dies in the midst of a genocidal killing spree
>mu fucking la flaga comes from the dead after having his 'helmet floating in outer space' heroic death in SEED
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>>150106971
g-reco still had nice art and thats what i enjoyed

story is still shit and you really cant defend its pacing or reasoning

but that doesnt make it worse than destiny
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>>150112928
>4chan
>SJW
I normally only go to /v/,/a/,/b/,/pol/ I thought being an sjw was only allowed on /cgl/ and the gay board without being publically ridiculed by the hivemind
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>>150110978
>Infinite Ryvius
Lord of the Flies in space?
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>>150109724
>I'm surpised /m/ and /a/ didn't have a sticky when morosawa died
I remember when Morosawa died. Almost nobody cares and both the /m/ and /a/ threads didn't even reach 50 posts if I recall correctly.
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>>150113602
GSD over a decade ago. Most people have moved on since.
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People who think Code Geass is a train wreck should be prohibited from posting.
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>>150106614
Narutaru, the worst TV anime to ever air.
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The thing about Destiny is it was like, Morosawa decided she hated everything she did in SEED and shat over it instead.

Coordinator and Natural romances? Not any more. Cagalli's character? Murdered. Make Athrun a huge retard that does the same mistakes he did in S1? Why?? To have more drama with Kira? Bring back Muw for absolutely no good reason and literally have him get away with murder. Meer and Lunamaria's squandered characters. Make your "MC" that is supposed to be a retelling of Kamille an unlikeable cunt.

Don't even get me started on the clip shows and stock footage. They couldn't even properly finish the series during its original airing; they had to make a special episode to actually end the series.

I miss when Seed was just about space whales.
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>>150114660
>all dat whining
>>150113558
Lord of The Flies is watchable, they do not belong anywhere near each other
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>>150114660
Too bad nobody can ask her about any of these things now.
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>>150112701
>realistic
>interesting
>not evil

Literally nothing about Infinite Ryvius is short of reviling
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So SEED movie when?
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>>150112378
I've seen over 1100 including most of the most hated titles mentioned here and on places like MAL, Infinite Ryvius is the absolute worst.
>>150112297
>These are all good things.
SEED Destiny did it well, IR on the other hand was cringe inducing falure
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>>150112193
>Did you not read Lord of the Flies? That was even darker.
That was actually good, IR had nothing. Not music, not pacing, not art, not animation, no characters, not writing, not setting, nothing.
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>>150112291
Super Robot Wars Divine Wars was worse in the CGI department
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>>150114854
No, really, watch more anime.
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>>150109724
>NEVER had I heard of a show where mecha design was approved by 5th graders
When the fuck was this? No really, I want a damn citation for this claim, I've been a gunda, fan for nine years and never once did ANYONE bring this up in the countless gundam threads and topics I've read.
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>>150114894
>not liking that OP and ED theme
Bad taste.
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>>150114802
>realistic
>interesting

Infinite Ryvius is one of the few mecha shows that point out how complicated and impractical robots would be in a combat scenario.
The way it was controlled was really intuitive, instead of a traditional cockpit, the mechs were moved by teams of programmers who sent commands to the mecha through cables.

That was really cool to see in my opinion.
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>>150114854
Infinite Ryvius can only be the worst in your parallel universe.
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>>150114990
Don't even respond to him, he's some autist from /m/ who shitposts Ryvius at every opportunity and it works because /m/ is full of retards who fall for the most pathetic of bait.
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>>150114953
How much more? 1100 is a lot. When I said worst I am comparing it to everything I have ever watched including shorts, experimental movies, extra episodes, super deformed theater gaiden shits, and borderline hentai.
>>150114971
>muh nostalgia goggles
>>150114990
>Infinite Ryvius is one of the few mecha shows that point out how complicated and impractical robots would be in a combat scenario.
How many real robot shows have you watched? Because most of them do that, your statement is incorrect.
>The way it was controlled was really intuitive, instead of a traditional cockpit, the mechs were moved by teams of programmers who sent commands to the mecha through cables.
That's not a good thing by itself nor does it carry 26 episodes.
>>150115002
No, it is worst in this reality too.
>>150115024
No autism here, troll.
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>>150106614
Tokyo Ghoul √A
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>>150114968
not him, but I heard about this first years ago, then I saw something on /m/.

iirc the comment I heard back then was fukuda saying something along the lines of "I told okawara to draw designs that appealed to children"

But on /m/ there was a picture circulating of what was an original line art from Okawara, that had been drawn over by a child in crayon, and the edits the child made appear in the final design of one of the mobile suits.
I think it was the Guiaz
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>>150106614
Iron Blooded Ovaries, SEED and Destiny at least revived the franchise from the pathetic end that was Turn A.
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>>150110690
The early episodes made it seem like it was going to criticize what Kira and his gang did in Seed, but then Cagalli and Shinn's VAs made the mistake of openly complaining about the script and it got back to the director. Character assassination was the result.

I forget which magazine had the interview that revealed it. It wasn't Newtype, I think, but one of the other magazines popular with girls.
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>>150115054
>How many real robot shows have you watched?
quite a few, I know there is another one who's name escapes me, but it's about civil service workers or something.
Patlabor does it often as well, but in a more cheeky manner

>Because most of them do that, your statement is incorrect.
most of them justify why the mecha exist in the setting, so they don't usually criticize it.

>That's not a good thing by itself nor does it carry 26 episodes.
I didn't say it did, but it added another cool interesting thing for the series in my opinion, it's especially cool to see how much better they get at developing the programs throughout the series, and by the end they're able to move it much faster.
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>>150115204
>quite a few,
lemme know when you crack a hundred.
>>150115204
>Patlabor does it often as well, but in a more cheeky manner
Which is why the third movie is the best in the franchise oh wait.
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>>150115111
I heard from a couple Japanese friends who were really into Seed at the time that backpacks everywhere and rainbow beams turned out to be due to consulting with actual children.
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>>150107147
this. SEED on its own is pretty much "Meh". not great but not horrible either.

Destiny fucks it purely by existing
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>>150115253
>lemme know when you crack a hundred.
I don't count since I don't find it necessary, but I'm sure I passed that a long while ago

>Which is why the third movie is the best in the franchise oh wait.
haven't seen this yet

>>150115316
That definitely explains a lot, I wonder if they did that for Gundam Age though, I mean children were their audience so they should've, maybe then it wouldn't have flopped as hard
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I still don't get why SEED was bad?
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>>150114990
Of course it was. But we have a couple of sticks in the mud here. Infinite Ryvius was great.
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>>150115632
it and Destiny aren't that bad, you're just witnessing whining
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>>150115453
The problem with AGE was that it was supposed to be a game only, so the general awfulness is likely because it's an adaptation of a game that was never actually made.
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>>150115054
You're literally the only person with such a hyperbolic dislike of Infinite Ryvius
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>>150115714
>Infinite Ryvius was great.
you poor brainwashed soul.
>>150115734
Bull, the first fifteen episodes were actually solid.
>>150115740
what's your beef, stranger?
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>>150115632
I'll be honest despite this thread SEED and Destiny were "meh" at worst, it's not until destiny's final 20 or so episodes that it becomes the evangelion of bad anime
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>>150115784
you mean 12, /m/ is split on whether or not the early and mid 30s were bad
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>>150115632
>>150115453
>>150115734
IBO is slowly toppling Destiny and Age as worst gundam, while the franchise is dying of cancer Ex-Aid will function as temporary reincarnation
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>>150107036
Have you SEEN IBO's animation quality? This is ignoring how infinitely more horrific the main cast is, I'll take several dozen Kiras and Shinns over another murderous inhuman monster as the main "hero".
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>>150106614
/m/ can agree SEED Destiny and to a lesser degree Age had good episodes, next to nobody nobody can point to a "oh hey that was worth my time" episode with Iron Blooded Orphans and I have yet to see anyone have a reasonable defense for everything past episode 4.
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>>150109810
Who're the people in the Zaft uniforms?
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>>150115992
why can ANN critics not admit the production values are absolutely horrific?
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>>150106614
Candidate for Goddess.
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>>150115822
The way I see it it starts getting kinda bad when Shinn falls in love with stella and then gets butthurt about it.
And this is coming from someone that liked that arc.
Overall I still think it's alright, but it still shows a tanking in quality.

Then everything after that is horrible, if I remember correctly the following episode opened with the revelation that Kira was really alive and survived a nuclear explosion by turning it off with a button.

>>150115853
I really wanted to like IBO and going in I did, the early episodes of both seasons did ensemble casting and some other stuff well, but S1 dragged on way to long, and the production values sucked.

Also there is way too much awkwardly given exposition.
I don't know who's fault it is, but IBO's exposition was so bad in the first season, you'd literally just get 5 minutes an episode of two characters conversing about the state of the world even though they should already know that.

Then there's the animation, there is something really wrong with the direction there in general, and while it does have a few nice scenes it's horrible overall.
They'll try to make it flashy by showing the MS' moving a lot, but then draw it so badly, or make the movements so awkward and unnatural that it comes off as lazy.

It's like when that pain fight in Naruto was stylized and it turned out looking like a 5th grader's art project.

I'll at least give them S2, so far the animation has been better than S1, and for their sake I hope it can stay that way.
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>>150116047
Have you read the reviews for Evolve, X, and G-Reco? Somehow being what it set out to do is such a BAD thing instead of this bizzare feminist standard
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It doesn't even need to be a IBO thread to trigger Menstruation-kun.
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>>150116047
Probably because the average ANN writer is a complete fucktard without any idea of what constitutes good or bad production values. Look at any of their Gundam reviews; they're riddled with inconsistencies and misinformation and clearly written by someone who doesn't even pay attention to what she's watching. They get away with it, too, because the average ANN user is a casualfag who thinks that any stupid article written by some chucklefuck with a "name" can't possibly be wrong
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>>150108736
You right.
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>>150116126
>the revelation that Kira was really alive and survived a nuclear explosion by turning it off with a button.
/m/ will literally whine over this but not the fact this happened with Kamen Riders too aka their favorite toku heroes, it's mind boggling!
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>>150116151
Hi Menstrual-kun!
>>150116186
Kuuga did it worse than Kira
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>>150116151
>another of these "Menstrual-kun boogeyman fucks"
Go away you are infinitely more annoying.
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>>150106614
AGE took the title of worst Gundamu ever.
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>>150107459
I enjoyed Valvrave for all the female grunts that got killed in this series.
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>>150116172
I have nothing against Lauren Orsini, I just think Gundam is not her franchise, someone like Mike Tool has a much better understanding for the minutia. At the very least her deducting points for X's production values and being "typical 90s" is cringey. I dread her upcoming Victory review. Is it bad that somewhere in the back of my head it feels like she doesn't watch gundam but rather reads episode summaries on MAHQ and copies things from there.
>>150116151
Get lost, Menstruation-kunt is more likable than you.
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>>150116316
Age's animation and choreography already puts it over Destiny.
You can argue on story and music, but that's a fact
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>>150116357
>You can argue on story
that's what we're talkin boot
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>>150116357
>Age's animation and choreography already puts it over Destiny.
It really doesn't, Age is casual at best, SEED and Destiny have the excuse of trying to use very recent technology so looking how it does now was a given
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G Reco hands down is the worst gundam I ever seen. An utter disgrace.
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>>150116350
>Victory review.
If she's anything like the image I have in my head she's gonna rag on it for being misogynist.
it's funny though, because iirc Tomino said somewhere that victory was a feminist work or something like that, the old man is crazy

>>150116398
>so looking how it does now was a given
it's not a problem of how it looked I thought destiny's style was fine, it's the constant reuse of animation.
Destiny even reuses animation from SEED
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>>150106614
You can't have a trainwreck without Fukuda at the helm of the burning runaway train.
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>>150116151
The nickname Iron Menstruation did not once come up in this topic, how about we call YOU Menstrual-kun because of YOUR obsession? Infact I'm following >>150116227 idea, you're the true Menstrual-kun now, Menstrual-kun!
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>>150106614

>Practically all budget went to actors
>Staff hated two actors and punished their characters
>Dozens of pointless recap episodes
>Most rushed finale in Gundam history
>Series goes to utter shit at so precise a point
>Villain is basically a man who isn't even evil
>Has absolutely no ending at all
>Characters regress to earlier stages of development
>Constant stock footage and reusing generic action sequences
>Plagued Newtype polls forever with Space Jesus

AGE was never this bad. Seed Destiny is fucking atrocious.
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>>150116495
>Plagued Newtype polls forever with Space Jesus
Reminder that blasphemy against Our Lord and Savior shall condemn you to a lake of fire for all eternity.
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>>150116495
>Dozens of pointless recap episodes
you mean six.
>Most rushed finale in Gundam history
Try, G-Reco, X, and IBO's previous season disagree.
>Has absolutely no ending at all
No that's One Piece.
>Constant stock footage and reusing generic action sequences
They look pretty, can't say the same for IBO.
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Can I still say G-recog?
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>>150108447
When did Gundam become Zoids?
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>>150116553

>you mean six.

So literally half a dozen then. I stand corrected. That's still fucking bad.

>Try, G-Reco, X, and IBO's previous season disagree.

All of those shows build up to their finale however. Seed Destiny was solely writing Meer out of the story in the penultimate episode derailing everything. That's how fucking dire, boring and wasted it was.

>No that's One Piece.

Confirmed to be 65% complete according to the author.

>They look pretty, can't say the same for IBO.

Which is constantly using NEW animation. IBO is actually good now, unfortunately for SEED and AGE fags.
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>>150116553
>Try, G-Reco, X, and IBO's previous season disagree.
Try had a bad finale, but it wasn't rushed

G-reco's finale was 2-3 episodes long

X was cancelled so it's understandable

IBO was pretty bad, but it's finale wasn't bad because it was rushed, the show is just bad overall
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>>150116661
since SEED
>>150116712
>All of those shows build up to their finale however.
do did Destiny's by your logic.
>>150116712
>Which is constantly using NEW animation
And it's atrocious as shit.
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>>150116726

IBO is still going on you idiot. Wtf are you babbling about?

>>150116739

>And it's atrocious as shit.

Shoot yourself in the head with a large calibre bullet.
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>>150108287
Well at least Code Geass and Mai Hime can bring new expansions on more projects. We can expect Cross Ange to get a new project because Nana fuckin WILLS IT.
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>>150116762
>Shoot yourself in the head with a large calibre bullet.
No.
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>>150116762
>. Wtf are you babbling about?
my bad, I was referring to Season 1
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>>150116151
Oh look its that same crybaby that nearly derailed the Tekkouki Mikazuki thread on /m/ recently, I remember reporting your spam post and for all 18 some hours the topic was up it was not deleted, are you a janitor by any chance? That would explain why posts criticizing IBO frequently get deleted.
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Why is Japan so dumb and childish when it comes to war?
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>>150116940
Why is America so war happy?
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>>150116885
>Menstrual-kun is a janitor
That makes way too much sense
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>>150116940
>implying non nip media's war depiction are any better
Whenever I see people like you, I can't help but think that you really need to be more exposed to more than just anime since you lot like to make really myopic remarks thinking stuff like these are nip centric.
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>>150116316
I prefer Age to War in The Pocket
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>>150117119
Incredibly shit taste son
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>>150106711
G-Reco did good, what the hell is this?
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>>150113239
SamFlam was somewhat acceptable because it was trying so hard to be a love letter to the Tokusatsu industry, despite having a budget of $5 and a piece of string. It mostly succeeded until the ending, when it went absolutely batshit bonkers.
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>>150117171
I do not care, 0080 was nowhere near as good as it was hyped by fanboys to be.
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Cross Ange
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>>150117119
UnderAGE

Anyways please learn to not be a retard
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>>150117288
>Translation: WAAAAAAAA

Age > War Pocket

I'm sure BERNIE and Alfred agree
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>>150116126
>It's like when that pain fight in Naruto was stylized and it turned out looking like a 5th grader's art project.
A few years on it's hilarious, though.

Unlike IBO.
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>>150114971
IR's ending theme belonged in feminine hygiene commercials. I'm not even joking, it really did sound like something like that.
>>150108193
Also this
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To fair, if you actually sit down and watch the first few Gundam series that aired you will find a common theme.

>Neutral colony
>gets attacked
>boy says I hate war, i am neutral
>gets into war with a gundam
>I fight for justice
>repeat
>main girl is always a horrible person who just gets in everyone's, especially MC's way.
>best girls are always cyber new types who get killed

I actually applaud any show in the series that breaks this mold. Honestly MSG and Zeta are should only be noted as what got the entire franchise started, never that they were anywhere near being "good". I just watched gundam 00 and what a trainwreck that turned out to be.
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>>150117408
Perhaps such commercials are awesomely scored in your region
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>>150117476
No, I live in America
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>>150116553
>Has absolutely no ending at all
>No that's One Piece.
One of these series is still running, anon.

And it isn't Destiny.
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>>150117454
>I hate gundam the post
We get it, you somehow think TVTropes is not a government conspiracy to delude people into thinking tropes exist.
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>>150117504
what is your point?
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>>150115179
who let this paced the people in charge at Sunrise? What were the animators doing?
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>>150117623
>passed
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>>150108484
looks neat
>>150108680
that was excellent though
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>>150115179

Take out IBO and put in G-Reco. Then maybe I might agree with you.
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>>150117719
G-Reco was great though
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Genre defining Series, the only good mech shows since was 00.
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>>150117736
Aquarion Logos was better
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>>150117719
>>150117729
I can't wrap my head around this exchange.
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>>150106614
This is the only Gundam SEED/Destiny picture I have saved.
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>>150117454
check out After War Gundam X
also go watch some of the OVAs instead of just the TV series
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>>150117802
why? G-Reco was better
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>>150117729

Pass me whatever drugs you are on right now anon. Christ.
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>>150117832
I never take drugs, G-Reco was unironically good.
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>>150117601
You can't criticize a show for it's ending when it hasn't ended.
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>>150117862

If you honestly believe that then we are done here, I don't continue on with the mentally challenged. Good night autist.
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>>150117623
>What were the animators doing?
Whatever drug it was that convinced Sunrise that Sacred Seven was going to revolutionize anime.
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>>150117912
that anime was excellent though
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>>150107459
S1 was a lot of fun, it petered out a bit in S2.

I should really finish my Unit 1 kit I started months ago.
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>>150117938
season 2 was better though
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>>150117808
never got this pic
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>>150106614
Mekaku Shitty Actors.

Honestly I didn't know that Gundam Seed was that bad. I watched the dub, but tried to pick it back up with the sub. I dropped it and never re-watched it. Now I'm kinda glad that I never finished it.
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1. Turn A Gundam
2. 0079
3. War in the pocket
4. G Gundam
5. G-Reco
5 best Gundam shows
These are my objectively correct opinions.
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>>150117920
It was so bland and mediocre people got fired.
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>>150118113
>Turn A on top
>also the other things
Hi Mecha Talk
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>>150118113

>objectively correct opinions

retard

Also

>G-Reco

How does it feel like to know you have shitty tastes?
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>>150116960
War is in our blood, humans want blood and destruction this is our nature
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>>150118150
>retard
Don't be a newfag anon
Objective opinions has always been a thing
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Dragon Ball Super? Production wise it sounds like a mess.
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>>150106614
Seed wasn't even that fucking bad, it just wasn't what you wanted.
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>>150119773
OH! Destiny? yea that was nothing short of a disaster
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>>150115901
Bellri is genuinly the most sociopathic of the entire gundam protagonist, its sad how characters like kammille and mika who are intentionally made to be sociopathic wind up being more human than that guy. And kammille becomes a vegetable whilst mika slowly turns into a cripple the more the show goes on as a punishment, bellri got to go explore japan without facing any repercussion.
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>>150119773
>Seed wasn't even that fucking bad, it just wasn't what you wanted.
And I wanted a good story. It had a really good setup but squander it with tepid writing, especially towards the end. SEED was fucking terrible and I was a completistfag then and the only thing that got me through it was the music on the show and the hope it would turn it around.
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>>150109724
No lie, I'd like to see a manga series where someone draws the behind-the-scenes drama of GSD.
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>>150116003
Fujos. The text reads "For the fujoshis!"
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Berserk 2016.
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>>150119921
>Bellri is genuinly the most sociopathic of the entire gundam protagonist
said no one ever
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>>150120376
Not a trainwreck, just ugly.
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>>150119954
>And I wanted a good story. It had a really good setup but squander it with tepid writing

So every Gundam ever?

Gundam is about selling toys and shooting lasers, it's literally worse than battle shonen
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>>150112225
>Valvrave had a few semi-decent things
What, the OPs and EDs? Sure.

But apart from that, fuck no.
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>>150116495
Don't forget Morosawa character assassinating Cagalli - one of the only even vaguely tolerable character on the show - because she was mad that her husband kept hitting on Cagalli's seiyuu.
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>>150121568
Don't remind me, by far my favorite character in SEED.
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>>150117454
I watched 0079 recently and it was fantastic.
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I think Eureka 7 i really dont get it everything from the start to the ending turn out nothing but pointless.
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>>150109724
It was all just rumors. They probably fucked the schedule somewhere and Fukuda isn't making a good job fixing it.
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>>150114301
Right, it wasn't a train wreck.

The plot was stupid, but it knew what it was doing.
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SamFlam managed to derail all the way onto a different railroad before moving on to multi-track drifting.
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>>150117005
He's not a janitor. This is what happened the first time he got a 3-day ban:

>http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/149486280/#149486280
>http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/149459219/#149459219
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>>150126538
Forgot my pic.
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>>150110743

00 Movie wasn't that bad, only major bone I had to pick with it was that they Hyped up 00 Qan[T] and made it seem like it was going to feature significantly in the story, and in the end gets about 8 minutes of screen time in a 2 hour movie
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>>150106614

I'm likely the only person that thought the series got better after they switched protagonists, it was a major disappointment for me as I'd really enjoyed SEED which was my first foray into the Gundam Franchise
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Shinn > All
fuck you plot armor smd
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>>150106614

Aquarion EVOL

>Retconned Silvia or whatever her name was into loving a dog
>Constantly CONSTANTLY has the viewer sit through some overtly complicated relationshit problems because apparently the staff for this can only write plot devices not characters
>Has the nerve to make the absolute worst girl win
>Completely unironic stupid logic all around such as moments like pic related or "You love Mikono as she is!"
>Shitty mech fights
>Shitty character design
>Legit produced an ending that no one was happy with

To know that Kawamori worked on EVOL is actually really fucking sad. Especially when LOGOS exists which is a way better Aquarion entry that literally doesn't have him in it at all outside of getting a name drop as the original series creator.
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>>150117848
It wasnt good but it was better than IBO
>>
Seed/Destiny hate is one of the craziest things on 4chan. You would think that a 10 year old shitstorm spanning multiple boards wouldn't be hot bait, yet it still is. Most of the complaints people have about Seed/Destiny are the same as practically any anime produced since the beginning of time. QUALITY, production fuckups, inconsistency over a long period of time, and wasted potential. Despite this being quite ordinary and typical of Gundam, you'll never see Seed/Destiny hate applied to something like F91 or the original MSG even though they had the same fucking problems. Frankly, if you can look the other way and tolerate F91, you have no right to criticize any other anime in existence because that is the most extreme example of a production fuckup. At least Seed/Destiny succeeded at being a 50 episode series.

To this date, the only Gundam series I actually disliked and dropped was IBO. I found G-Saviour more interesting than that pile of shit.
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>>150127943
Nice bait, Seed defender.
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>>150127996

Nice bait, shitposter.
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>>150126747
The movie wasnt bad.
Most people i see saying that go aliens=trainwreck.
If i had to list the bad things for the movie they would be, like you said, the Quanta not being featured a lot and that almost none of the characters, barring Setsuna and those who died, received closure , getting a more open end for their story.
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>>150128003
Nice comeback, Seed apologist.
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>>150128025

Nice comeback, shitposter.
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>>150128039
Nice retaliation, echo-kun.
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>>150128085

Nice retaliation, shitposter.
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>>150128092
Nice shitposter, retaliation.
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>>150106614
Rebellion.
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>>150114301
If I could make you king of /a/, I would.
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>>150120396
Bellri murdered everyone in his path including his instructor with just warning shots and never seem to be affected by it.
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>>150117808
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>>150116495
What are you even talking about? The ending and MC's spot hijack by Kira were the only 2 redeeming points of the destiny.
Ending of destiny is 10 out of 10 and a deepest in the gundam to the date. Lacus was shown as usurper and everything has become clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTw2YT6FeeE
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Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V
It started great, with a cast full of interesting and likeable characters and a really intriguing plot. Now it's the worst rated anime on niconico.

What happened, you ask? It couldn't handle its huge cast of characters and crumbled down under executive meddling and most of all the incompetence of its writing staff. It thoroughly destroyed almost all of its established characterizations. It turned the depthful main character into a messiah, reduced the female lead to a damsel in distress, rendered the main rival character irrelevant, and changed most of its cast into jobbers. It also made the mistake of introducing legacy characters from previous series and misusing them, which enabled a small movement of hate against the series in Japan.
Some of the best animators working on the show also had to leave the series temporarily in order to work on the new movie, Dark Side of Dimensions. Because of that, the show looked even worse than it usually does during its second half.
It's crazy how a mix of executive meddling and incompetence can lead to such a waste of potential.
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>>150128749
Sounds exactly like 5D's
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>>150121568
>Goes from badass freedom fighter to worthless damsel in distress
>Almost married off to some fag
>Dumped by Assram
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>>150129110
Yeah. Fun fact; ARC-V and 5D's share the same director, Katsumi Ono.
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>>150129299
She was always a damsel. The only thing which was done bad to her character is the whole twin pullassery.
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>>150118113
>including OVAs
bruh
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>>150106711
None of these is a trainwreck. G-Reco is just a clusterfuck of shit but not a trainreck - too boring.
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>>150115179
Hey i like Turn A
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>>150126538
Wow, I use fireden to check archives and I forgot about /ghost/. What a fucking autist
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>>150116143
What does it math have to do with it? Rating is no mean of these four values. Story is much more important than music
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>>150129494
I wish Kira had fucked his sister.
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>>150133217
Well he slapped her and that's made her so wet that even Athrun couldn't bind her.
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>>150128425
Destiny's ending was utter shit. The video you posted is from the extra episode they released which retcons the last episode and makes it better.
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>>150106614
Aldnoah.Zero
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>>150131041
>Story is much more important than music
1. It is not
2. Hi ANN, come to defend your propaganda?
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>>150136265
Typical Menstrual-kun shitpost.
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>>150126538
I don't get it
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>>150126538
Yes he is, you're posting one of the IBO critics, Menstrual-kun is the moron that calls others Menstrual-kun. Also stop spamming /m/, Menstrual-kun.
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>>150131041
Based on what exactly? You saying so? And yes math is important, without math how the hell can you measure anything?
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>>150136308
Typical shitpost from Menstrual-kun which is getting annoying, please fucking stop.
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>>150106614
Mah nigga athrun didn't deserved to be treated like shit in both series

GS
>dude why are you fighting for those pariah?
>get rektd by Kira

GSD
>dude we're fighting for the same cause why are we still fighthing again?
>get rektd again by Kira


Songs were pretty dope tho. Nothing can top River
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>>150136470
>>150136367
>>150136328
Simultaneous samefag spam from a single IP on every board this was brought up at. Looks like Menstrual-kun is back from school.
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>>150136401
Anon, where does it say on ANN that review's overall rating is mean of story, art, animation and music ratings?
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>>150106614
Obligatory reminder that SRWZ singlehandedly reversed this trainwreck of a shitshow into an all time masterpiece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4NDbcBh-k
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>>150130765
Found the retard
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>>150112988
I view GSD as a really good OST that had a horrible and unncessary show as an accompaniment piece.
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>>150138613
Found a shitposter from /m/. Took you long to notice my post
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>>150137844
>all moonspeak
Completely irrelevant
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>>150139141
It was all her doing.
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Can we at least agree that stargazer was fucking based?
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>>150112874
Nope. And even if you're one of those "MUH WILD RIDE" idiots the second half is castrated >>150112928
People hated it because it wasn't good. Believe it or not if you watch something because of a meme a lot of people won't take you seriously.
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>>150125737
>but it knew what it was doing.
No it didn't hence why R2 exists
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>>150137844

Holy fuck that is glorious, anon.
Team Shinn <3
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>>150115632
People can explain why a product is legit bad but by the end of the day if you don't give enough of a shit about it you will never see why its bad.
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>>150129110
>rendered the main rival character irrelevant, and changed most of its cast into jobbers. It also made the mistake of introducing legacy characters from previous series and misusing them, which enabled a small movement of hate against the series in Japan.
Nope
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>>150128749
That sounds like every fucking YGO anime except for Zexal which was shit from the start. They all seem to collapse on themselves the more they go on because something like YGO is not meant to be long runners.
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Mu, Murrue, Andrew, and Rau were the only good SEED characters until Neo Roanoke happened and ruined Mu. Needless to say those characters were perfected in Cross Ange and done much much better.
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