So Beerus/Champa and Whis/Vados being twins made sense since universe 6 and 7 are twin universes. But apparently Grand Priest, someone outside of the 12 universes serving directly under Zeno is their father. So do Whis and Vados have 10 other siblings that accompany the GoDs of all the other universes? Are all the other GoDs also purple cats?
I just assumed the angels aren't part of the universes and are distributed by All-Chan amongst the gods of destruction, who ARE actually picked from their respective universes.
If Goku hadn't existed the future universe would still be fine. Him fighting Zamasu encouraged him to go through with his plans. On top of that him calling Zamasu gave the residents of that timeline a fate worse than the death Zamasu was gonna give them. Complete nonexistence.
Goku and trunks interfering directly completely wiped out an entire multiverse.
>How DB time travel works
It was a clusterfuck then and even worse now
>you can go back in time, but if you change the date on your time machine you don't go back to the same timeline, you go to another, so if you don't change the date on it it doesn't act like a time machine but lets you jump dimensions
>also disregard all of this cause we can just dump you in another point of your time line where there'll be two of you
>also the one above all isn't outside of time
>one above all isn't outside of time
This was major bullshit
>there'll be two of you
If Trunks in this 'new' timeline impregnated Mai from the Zamasu'd timeline or vice versa
Is Trunks from the destroyed/new timeline also the father?
Timelines by themselves are fine as a concept. The problem is that there are too many now, with most getting a bad ending.
That is the result of Trunks' time traveling. Had he not done it, DBZ would be over, to be fair. But only Earth would have been destroyed. Instead, Zen-chan erased everything in the FT timeline. Trunks created a bunch of dark timelines, Zamasu was right.
The only real clusterfuck that doesn't make sense is Black. What came first, him fighting Trunks to make him travel back in time, or Goku fighting Zamasu because Trunks came back?
explain to me how can whis restore trunks' universe by traveling to it and intervening "before" shit escalated if that certain universe was deleted including its timeline and sense of "before" and "after" certain event
Whis travels to the future just before beerus kills zamatsu which is the time line that beerus created by killing zamatsu and is able to stop it from happening by informing them of the repercussions it has on the universe. Thus creating a timeline that won't end with king of all destroying entire universe. Zamatsu won't be as powerful and since trunks has gained new found powers is able to stop black and rescue that timeline without goku and vegetas interference. Much like what happened before with buu where they were able to stop the revival by defeating the catalyst that started it all off.
Maybe or something like that
Oh, you are talking about the new timeline? Well, I have no qualms about that, besides them doing it in the first place. But it doesn't introduce inconsistencies.
Meanwhile, the creation of Black as it happened still involves some loop of Black causing Black.
>zeno isn't a insta win gun since he nukes everything
That zeno didn't know goku and didn't have consideration for him, going berserker was not a problem for that zeno. Original zero could listen to his friend Goku and bring an outcome that doesn't fuck up the earth if he's needed again.
I wonder, could Shenlong also fail to revive someone stronger than Dende, if that person did not want it?
Because ultimately, dragon balls are magic. If that is tied to fighting ability or some power level, it should go both ways.
The way Beerus and Whis hyped up Zeno I was expecting his powers to be a "hakai" like thing but faster but it actually took some time for Zeno to charge up. Of course there's literally no way to guard yourself against the attack but still.
>What did he mean by a handful of humans?
>BBUT TOEI FUCKED UP
What did he mean by you are your own best friend
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It was Whis who made it thanks to his time shenanigans. Beerus killing someone doesn't do shit other than them ceasing to exist. Toriyama/Toei is just full of shit, or Whis is secretly evil and shifts the blame on Beerus.
There aren't many people that can escape it. The cast only got away because everyone was packing time machine/rings. Even gods with kai kai from that timeline would be screwed.
Why is Mai a literal A SHIT without her makeup and contact lenses?
It's probably because Toriyama likely wrote the actual dialogue for that scene rather than just describing it. The actual Zen'o summoning and reactions likely will be basically identical in the manga.
After watching super 67 of the huge epic fail of trunks and company of protecting "anything"
that time goku protected all his friends from vegteta and Nappa?
That time goku saved planet namkeke from genocide and destruction
*Goku being beaten up by the dough boy
*Cell wanting to be his pefect form and killing goku which he actually did.
Then the boo sage really had everyone screwing up one after another.
*Starting with Vegta going evil again and helping review buu
*Goku not killing fatt buu cause he we in no way regreat it.
*Piccolu giving buu the idea of killing time by dealing with other people. Buu impediatly wipes out the human race in like a minute. *Gotenks allowing buu to kill remainder of Z fighters and the human race.
*Gohan playing with super buu and allowing him to adsorb people.
Based Herculue comes in to bail out gokus ass
Goku was trained by over five masters and had decades to fight emiemes each time rising in scale of power
While trunks got the one "master" for what a year? month? Week? ( i forgot) To go upagainst two beings that would make frezia a bitch right off the batt. So he fixs this my training like two years with his father and comes back to cervestomp the andriods and cell and even out powers diaoria and babi and at least for a time aviods the clusterfuck that is the buu saga
Trunks/mai were the only survivors in the toriyama script
Trunks going back 2 years is just the best outcome for him.
Actually read the manga's newest chapter. They only find Mai alive. There are no other known survivors right now. There's no resistance or children in the manga which likely means they were entirely Toei creations to extend the story.
I sort of liked this arc. I could've done without the being defeated and running away twice thing but overall it was nice.
Now one question remains:
Was Gohan training while they were away or was he out of breath because he had to fly there in a rush to catch Trunks leaving?
So if Goku didn't go back would Zen-Oh just be floating around in emptiness forever?
Where were his 2 bodyguards and that universe's WissDad?
Does new Zen-Oh have any power in universe 7? If he wanted to delete Zen-Oh7 could he?
>So if Goku didn't go back would Zen-Oh just be floating around in emptiness forever?
>Where were his 2 bodyguards and that universe's WissDad?
He destroyed EVERYTHING anon, there's nothing left
>Does new Zen-Oh have any power in universe 7? If he wanted to delete Zen-Oh7 could he?
Wasn't that because he said "actually, you guys, don't revive me"? Did they get to use the wish for something else?
Either way, I mean a case of Shenlong actually trying, and failing because "oops, that guy is more powerful than Dende, can't do that."
>saying timeline of universe 7 is a mouthful.
That's still incorrect anon. Trunks timeline was also universe 7. But the answer is probably. Considering Beerus was able to Hakai Zamasu while in universe 10 Zeno should still be able to delete anything he wants.
In the end, trunks lost everything, only go to a new timeline because of mai.
How can dragon ball take this situation so lightly, i don't know how this will be done in the manga but toyotaro lost my trust toward him since he has keep in the new chapter
the "goku no kiss"so....
I don't know if that's Toriyama's decision or just Toei interpretation, either way it feels like no one sat down and analyzed the consequences and almost creepy implications of that outcome.
I fucking hate Zeno. Am I the only one who hates that a retard moe blob child is the strongest thing in the universe?
It's so fucking stupid. They need to use the super dragon balls to wish this fucker out of existence in the future.
Well, I had typed out a longer post before that which should have been clearer
and decided not to open a larger can of worms, but decided to post that instead.
What I was getting at was that "can't wish to kill someone stronger than Dende" is bullshit, because magical powers like reviving people do not seem to be tied to a fighting power level. And if they are, conversely someone who is stronger than Dende should be able to "resist" being revived against his will if he wanted to do that.
I think people are losing focus of the issue here. Goku always was goofy and Toriyama had mentioned Goku (and most Saiyans, with Vegeta being an exception) have no concept of romantic love a while ago.
The problem with Goku's characterization in the anime is that he was goofy way too often, forgetting stuff all the time and just being dumb. One scene like that once in a while doesn't undo his character at all.
>How can dragon ball take this situation so lightly
I mean, we got him crying about how he failed to protect his world. They just tried to make it bittersweet rather than outright depressing since it's pretty much his goodbye from the series again.
>Trunks/mai were the only survivors
That's fucking dark and makes the whole thing hopeless. Why fight if there's nobody worth fighting for?
Not like he's got dragon balls to wish everybody back. He's better off just going to the past and living there forever.
Going by the manga's last chapter, I think it's going to be Toriyama's interpretation, but the difference is that in his outline there was barely anything to save in the future from the very beginning. Toei added the resistance, children and likely the Genki Dama Sword which made the loss much more tragic, but without dealing with the consequences.
>Why fight if there's nobody worth fighting for?
There are still other planets and universes to protect from Black before going to live in the main timeline.
Assuming that Zamasu went to Earth first and didn't kill everything else beforehand, that is.
I mean more the fact they had to move to another timeline with almost identical versions of them already living there. How do you cope with such situation? Going back to alternate version of the world you failed to save, with your duplicates around that actually are the originals in that world. That's creepy. Staying in the present would make much more sense.
>with your duplicates around that actually are the originals in that world. That's creepy
Is it creepier if they are kids?
Seems someone does not want Future Trunks to stick along any further.
While the kids are still the same people, they have different history from them, different upbringing, different family situation, witnessed completely different events that shaped them to be overall different individuals. There is also a big age difference. All that makes interacting with them way less creepy compared to almost identical version of themselves that fill the same role in their world as you did in yours - and we are talking about staying in a situation like that for life.
Zeno has mentality of a child, and in case of Zamasu while the mind was the same, Goku's appearance (and more flamboyant behavior) made it less striking.
Mai and Trunks are more complex case, especially after their failure.
Well, Trunks and Mai have gone to hell together, and that should have already made them different people. But it's still some kind of swamp-man scenario and pretty creepy, I agree.
Though it could also turn into something very kinky.
Why is this even celebrated as a victory?
The future they tried to save is fucking dead. Everyone is dead. All gods are dead. The planet blew up.
All went to shit. They now escaped to another timeline which is what they could have done all along. They lost.
>they could have escaped all along
That timeline was way too fucked up to be saved. But they couldn't just let Zamasu live, he had access to time rings and could fuck up other timelines.
To be fair, Zamasu's powers were about to shit on timeline borders. He had to be erased in that timeline. But yeah, they fucked up. They cheated and needed Zeno to end it. Goku also abducted the probably last remaining deity that could potentially have fixed things to live with another version of himself.
>Goku also abducted the probably last remaining deity that could potentially have fixed things to live with another version of himself.
Zen o didn't care about Zamasu being Zamasu, so why the hell do you think he would repair the universe again.
>Playing Dragon Ball Fusions
>Go to get Dragon Ball
>Pilaf Machine is there
>It has 5 already
>Trunks says he doesn't like the idea of taking the dragon ball from Mai, so we're not going to fight
>There is a timeline where Trunks went back to the past, got the blueprints, came back, disabled and destroyed the androids, but then got killed and have his time-machine hijacked by Cell, leaving the worlds with nothing but regular humans and no Saiyans or special fighters.
>Now there is a timeline where all signs of life or authority is gone.
In the end, one timeline actually managed to get darker than the darkest timeline that we knew of.
I also wonder if the Goku that got killed along with Chi-Chi and Goten ended up getting revived by the Dragon Balls or not.
>I also wonder if the Goku that got killed along with Chi-Chi and Goten ended up getting revived by the Dragon Balls or not.
Why not? Goku Black seems to have left that timeline immediately afterwards. The only issue would be recovering Goku's body, but they could use the Super Dragonballs to create a copy body or something, I guess.
upcoming Raditz and Bardock comeback, fellow anons.
>Actually it's not simple, this is why I fucking hate time travel multiverse theory, it just makes everything so useless.
They should have gone on space/time adventures instead. Get Whis to bring back that timeline anyway, since they want to bring back all the people they care about, but realise that having two of them is retarded, then fuck off on your own thing. Fuck, even stay in the present
Yeah, that is what I was thinking of myself. Possible issues with that is nobody knowing what the hell happened to Goku and his family, except for maybe when Whis and Beerus start investigating.
Even then so, I don't know if they'd do well collecting the Super Dragonballs in time after finding out the issue with him dying in Zamasu's body and all that.
>The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
not him but hi anon
also dont request the legendary super saiyan for this shitty show of DB super, maybe manga buts thats all because toei cant do anything but milk a series from nostalgia and hiring cheap Filipino animators
>Why is this even celebrated as a victory?
Because they stopped Zamasu from infecting ALL the universes in ALL the timelines.
Do you fags not understand what Beerus and Whis sensing Zamasu's influence FROM the Future INTO THE PAST means?
>Goku also abducted the probably last remaining deity that could potentially have fixed things to live with another version of himself.
If Zeno didn't bother recreating those 6 universes he already wrecked, I doubt Zeno would bother recreating 12 or 18 universes.
I hope the next GoD is really polite, or even super autistic about his job. Either way is fine. I think it'd be funny to see one fidgeting with a calculator trying to determine how much they need to wipe out for maximum galactic efficiency.
do you think the other GoD will keep the egyptian theme?
I don't know why you think the experession " a handful of something" has a direct japanese equivalent and anyways people refer to more than 5 things but still a relatively small amount as a handful all the time.
nobody has ever actually liked him. They just tolerated him because they like Tien
Shit was surprisingly dark for a sunday morning cartoon.
----OFFICIAL BLACK TRIBUTE VIDEO----
>be a highly paid animator for one of japans most successful animation studios
>produce this garbage
I get it that they want to cash in on DB, but come on...
Alright /a/ I decided to watch the Potaufeu arc, I skipped it due to it being unnecessary to view since all it is is filler to transition from the tournament into the Future Trunks arc and I begin watching Super once 47 aired. Here is what I thought as I watched.
+New planet in Universe 7 to explore
+Jaco having his little time to shine
+Vegeta criticizing the copy and Goku at the same time was funny
+Vegeta realizing he was chewing on a pacifier was funny (At least for me with Vegeta being an alien and all)
+Radio host reading Monaka's letter and watching Monaka be all smug and the host making it awkward between Jaco and Vegeta in his spaceship was funny
+Goten and Trunks fighting and fusing and trying their best (Hey, if the copy might as well be Vegeta himself then I can see Gotenks failing against Vegeta)
+Trunks and Vegeta bonding with Trunks wanting to save Vegeta while Vegeta trying to save Trunks
+Superhuman Water is an interesting concept in that it absorbs the combat and being of whomever it copies and kills them off to ensure that the copy becomes the "real" one.
-dragged on in some bits such as the gang looking to destroy the core but then running away instead of trying to charge at the superhuman water and break the core
Overall: Not the bee's knees but as a first time sitting, sure I liked it. Nothing I would re-watch if I were to watch this series in its entirety once its complete but I thought it was interesting. I thought another Vegeta going back to being evil concept would be bad but I can forgive it since they explain the goo copied his will and thus his desire to be better than Goku and besides its not on the level of Majin Vegeta.
Tell me how my taste is shit now.
I love you so much anon, I imagined a tribute video with this exact song.
You are too good for this planet.
>Yamcha has not jobbed in nearly 25 years
>Vegeta continues to job to this day
What did Toriyama mean by this?
Also relevant, and I still think this video is one of the greatest things we got out of that arc:
>Didn't show the ningen cabin
>Didn't show them having tea together
>Didn't show him stabbing Vegeta, Kicking Trunk's ass, "killing" Mai, etc
Was really good, but missed opportunities
When Yamcha and Bulma are not on screen, what do you think they're doing? Yamcha was her first. He has plenty of screen-time anyway, even in the Buu arc, he just doesn't fight because he's onto bigger and better things. Meanwhile Vegeta shows up, says something cocky, then jobs.
>Are all the other GoDs also purple cats?
Can't he break out from his character
>wanting autistic and by default inaccurate fan-made powerlevel charts
So you can win your autistic arguments with "The guys on /a/ think this, so it has to be right!".
You should consider a very painful suicide
How do you think that Diamond fits in her vag, lad? That's Yamcha's doing. He fucking destroyed her. I wonder if Saiyan woman are this loose. Vegeta goes down quite quickly on sloppy seconds. He even jobs in romance.
"It's bigger than the sun"
here but i did not add ssjb vegito in yet
I think you should add Time/4d Zamasu (the one that was trying to become the universe or some shit)
also bump up the Black Arc characters that are stuck in S tiers a little bit
What is he supposed to job?
Goten and Trunks are as far ahead in strength as Vegeta was to Yajirobe when he first visited earth.
You know in old movies when there was a bar brawl and one guy whacks the other with a chair, but the other guy just holds his head for a second and then oneshots the chair guy?
Yamcha is the chair guy in that scenario.
And SSJ Gotenks didn't even come CLOSE to SSJ2 Vegeta in BOG.
Yamcha couldn't even dream of jobbing hits from, say Beerus, Zamasu, Hit or even Magetta.
I'd say even Frost outclasses him by ages.
Good riddance, what an absurdly terrible arc.
I can't believe someone looked over the script for the last episode and though "this is good".
>tfw Yayirobe and all the surviving humans including the children were murdered and their universe destroyed, and no one gives a fuck because Zen Chan got his own clone so neither of them will be virgins anymore.
I know I was late to the party, but damn this scene is too funny. I've been chuckling for the last 5 minutes
Eighter had the same stance and expression for the span of, like, 4 episodes. It's really funny.
And we just eat up their shit
I keep seeing people playing Toriyama for everything
I thought he was hands off on this like GT , he is just doing some character designs and general ideas about how the gods work
He doesnt write for the Manga or the Anime
Toriyama's alleged involvement is the only thing that keeps people deluded that DBS is good.
So when something retarded and terrible happens, they have to blame Toei as hard as they can to hold on to their sanity.
This can work for 12 episode anime, but of course it'd take much more time for 67.
The One Piece anime has the same problem, though catching up with the manga is just another problem on top of that. I wouldn't mind longer breaks if it meant improved quality.
>Tao Pai Pai
I had not thought about that. That would be completely in line with the bait and switch humor Toriyama loves.
Hype the assassin up to all hell, everyone takes for granted it's Hit, the day finally comes, and it's Tao Pai Pai.
He was talking about this mode.
It appears to be a Trunks HULKSMASH mode SSJ2 where Trunks takes special care to rein in the absurd musclemass to retain his speed.
Whereas Gohan, Vegeta and Goku all stuck to gaining new transformations to gain more power, Trunks took a lesson from Goku's book and refined what he already had.
> tfw Black is gone forever
> tfw Yoka Yoka Dance is gone forever
honestly I don't the point of watching this anymore
There wasn't one in the first place, besides laughing at how bad it is.
I'll admit though, Black and Mai fooled me into thinking this was the arc that would finally be good. I didn't think it would be worse than S17.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T78xO5fz0w is gone too
The animation is finally good they said
DBS is good now they said
>suddenly the sky becomes ZAMASU
>nuke the fuck out of his asspull face, leave that shithole of a universe last minute
>"uuh, wanna go back Trunks?"
>"lol sure why not"
>randomly pick up Zenno-kun because can't go back empty handed
>introduce him to his past self to make this whole mess go full circle
>mfw I don't even know what the fuck's going on anymore but everything went better than expected
>>randomly pick up Zenno-kun because can't go back empty handed
>>introduce him to his past self to make this whole mess go full circle
>>mfw I don't even know what the fuck's going on anymore but everything went better than expected
This whole thing
Why even do that? That's all kinds of horrifically dangerous, all because Goku is a lying shit who won't honor his promises.
>call for Goku to help me deal with this mysterious individual killing everyone on Earth
>not only is he directly responsible for said individual to exist, but he also ends up having the whole multiverse nuked
So is Gowasu swimming in time rings now? Does only Gowasu get corrup time rings, are they split between Gowasu and the Nameless Kaioshin?
Or does each Kaioshin get a copy of the 2 dozen new rings created in this terrible arc?
Dragonball Canon needs the Kai of Time really really badly.
I don't know man. I can't even describe the perplexity I felt this whole episode, I know it's best to turn off your head watching this but there should be a limit for such ridiculousness.
>Letting the Supreme die so there is no god of destruction.
>Going back to the past which triggered the
>Failed finishing Zamasu even after the entire world gave you its power
>Forgetting that Zamasu was leaking in to the present
events of Goku meeting Zamasu.
as expected from a timeline fleeing pussy always shifting the blame.
>Mai doesn't even say hi to Pilaf and Shuuh
Also, that fucking resolution.
>Hello Future Trunks Timeline
>We're losers from your future where we managed to let the universe be destroyed.
>Can we freeload here a while?
That said, Trunks and Mai are gonna have some fun fucking time clone sex from then on.
Am I the only one who feels like the next episode won't be that good, at least based on the preview?
I mean, it's nice that Goku finally remembered that king Kai is dead thanks to him, but why the fuck would EVERYONE want to wish for something right now? It's not like they don't know that Dragonballs exist, and they have access to the radar. There's also at least two wishes so why the fuck are they getting greedy now?
Also, isn't this like the fourth time earth DBs have been used in Super? Did they forget the time limit or can they summon Shenlong whenever?
>"I will protect the future!"
>Future gets wiped out and Trunks is fine helping the person (Zeno) who did it get back
What did he mean by this?
>Zamasu is no longer immortal
Did they say that? Pretty sure they referenced Black's body being mortal, hence it totally makes sense that the body would be destroyed without regenerating, but Zamasu persisting. In this case, covering the sky, looking like Giygas.
>Zamasu fuses with Goku Black
>dies like the ningen swine he is
>spreads his ningen germs across the galaxy so hard the multiverse gets fucked
Reminder he planned it all since day one
I know everyone has been talking about how sad it is that everyone was erased from existence including the afterlife in Future Trunks' timeline, but Zamasu probably already killed all the ningen in the afterlife anyway right?
what fucking ending was that even? why not try to convince the god of that universe "hey can you please restore the universe to where it was before black came in and fucked it all?" why was this never thought of?
You can summon Shenlong only 4 months after his last appearance if you didn't use all of the wishes.
Plus, we're already like 5 years in the 10-year gap, anon. Pan was 4-years old by EoZ.
>was so OP they needed to destroy the universe to get rid of him
Will anyone in the DBverse ever top Zamasu's feats and autism?
They were fucking raffling wishes in Bulma's birthday party. They really should not exactly have a shortage of those at this point. Especially since now they have the Super Dragon Balls and the Namek Dragon Balls for emergencies.
Looks like the wishes will be really stupid too, I bet 18 will want to wish for money. I'm juping the gun a little, but my preemptive thanks to Toei for ruining the last unsoiled thing in the Franchise.
18, Roshi, Gohan and Bulma want to make a wish for Shenlong, but he can't grant all of them.
He killed everyone in all the universes, even the fucking gods. If he died and all those survivors were still alive, they would be the only living beings in existence.
Goku asked Zeno to erase Zamasu, Zeno erased everything. He would have erased them too if they didn't get away in time. Why do you think he would remake the universe for the people that fucked it up to begin with?
>>Mai doesn't even say hi to Pilaf and Shuuh
Thought the same, what kind of bullshit bad writing is this? It's not even like they forgot because kid Mai was literally standing there with those two faggots, it's just that they didn't think interaction would be nessecary. Seriously, is there a show with worse writing around currently? I thought it can only get better after random jedi lightsabers but this episode managed to set an alltime low somehow.
Sure I guess but my biggest issue is they didn't even try
Plus they could have told Zeno in their universe "Hey can you tell this Zeno that we're really cool people and he should remake Trunks' universe?"
Zeno of our universe might help out Goku because that one likes Goku
>Beerus actually has the gall to say "Don't Rely on Gods so much" when the whole problem was literally caused by a god and only allowed to continue happening because Beerus is too lazy and Whis is too incompetent to wake the stupid cat up to prevent his own destruction via the Kaioshin's death.
This could have been the perfect opportunity to introduce the Supreme Kai of Time.
Instead of having Trunks & Mai go to ANOTHER timeline and basically trying to make sure they don't meet themselves, Whis should have just said something along the lines of "Too bad kid, your timeline is gone. But since you fucked around with time so much, you know the shit that comes with it. I know someone who'd appreciate that."
Cue taking them to the Supreme Kai of Time and Time Patrol Trunks. Clean-ish resolution.
>my biggest issue is they didn't even try
Him refusing them after pleading would make this even darker than it is. Plus, he'd probably go "what? I will destroy you, too."
They might ask Zen-chan from the main timeline, but I am not sure they could explain in a way that makes him understand, and not be pissed at time travel at the same time.
Despite the fact that FT-timeline Zen-chan apparently didn't mind traveling with the time machine, though he probably didn't know what it was and what happened.
Then Mai would appear in Xenoverse and we'd have gun super attacks. Take my money.
The thing is he's not even written to not give a fuck, he's just too stupid and useless so he appears to not give a fuck.
I was hoping for her to pop up after Zeno destroys everything and be like "Tough shit, Trunks. Want to come with me and prevent such thing from happening again?"
But it wasn't meant to be.
>The thing is he's not even written to not give a fuck, he's just too stupid and useless so he appears to not give a fuck.
Nah he just doesn't give a fuck about anything other than training Goku/Vegeta because he sees flickers of potential.
Don't introduce logical ways to get out of the problem if you don't want to use them: this is as bad as those harem manga where the protagonist has literally no reason to refuse free sex and would probably save the world if he had free sex, but still doesn't.
Lads. Yamcha IS Bardock, as evidence her is a picture of Yamcha superimposed upon Bardock. Notice that the scars line up perfectly. Sometime between the Hunt for the Dragon Balls and the Budokai Tenkaichi Yamcha returned to his Saiyan home planet and fought in many missions. He used the Dragon Balls to return himself to youth (he knew about them from Bulma), Yamcha doesn't want to overshadow his own son Goku so he pretends not to have the power of the Super Saiyan inside. Just like any Saiyan Yamcha enjoys a good fight, realizing however that he was an artifact of a bygone age he elected to leave the doings to the younger people. Gohan and Goten are his sons. That's how he knows to cut off Goku's tail when he rampages in Pilaf's Castle.
Guys, what if the incoming tournament will have a reward like zeno allowing a wish, then if goku or vegeta ( or trunks ) win this tournament, they can ask " please restore Future timeline "
What do you think /a/?
>Random anon in a vietnamese crotcheting board can write a better resolution to the arc in 5 minutes than the professional paid writers of Dragon Ball Super including the original creator could and did.
That you're deluded.
They never gave enough of a fuck to try to help fix the future timeline despite having plenty of ways to do it, like Goku going to the future to help find New Namek for new dragon balls.
/a/, I found out my oneitis has a boyfriend through stalking her Normiebook.
What do I do?
>go to kanzenshuu
>literally everyone shitting on Gohan to the point where it's autistic
at least people in /a/ would enjoy an arc where Gohan is actually cool
on Kanzenshuu, those fucking autistic weebs would probably hate it regardless because it doesn't fit their "lore" and character thesis'
Also Mai and Supreme Kai of Time shenanigans. Imagine that.
Honestly though, I still cannot believe Toei/Toriyama couldn't have come up with something along the lines of this. Its so simple and should be the first thing that comes to your mind when thinking of sorting out time-travel fuckery. I wonder if the Xenoverse team and DBS had issues and they couldn't use the Xenoverse ideas somewhere along the line in production, because even this currently resolution seems pretty last minute.
May be, but we don't need Xenoverse itself, just set the premise up in Super, and have it not brought up again in the anime.
Aren't you tired of holding hands with everyone by now?
The setup for a Xenoverse story in the show woukd have had potential.
The story being a group of inexperienced Saiyans, humans, Namek, Frieza, buu etc under the guidance of Time Kai and Trunks stopping the Time Breakers from screwing up Dragonball history.
>childhood is liking this shitty arc where everything was about the green pineapple Zamasu and his shallow goal
>adulthood is realizing that Goku Black should have been an actual Goku who was corrupted by Zamasu as an instrument of destruction, before turning on him and destroying Zamasu utterly
The future trunks arc is decent (apart from containing future trunks)
But damn does it get annoying how they come up with an excuse to explain how the time traveling and bodysnatching works again and again every two episodes.
It's not that complicated, holy shit.
>Gohan killed Cell in 1993
>Over 20 years ago since the only time he was relevant
>Think he will ever do anything again
>B-but what about Mystic Gohan?! Where he didn't manage to defeat anyone and got his ass kicked still!
How come shonen protags are all evil? Nartuo protects Sasuke and Orochimaru from prosecution, Bleachman works for the SS where they murder and experiment on people, Goku hangs around with people who murder trillions of people just for the fun of it, and Luffy is a pirate (fucking thief). When will it end?
>getting this frustrated over a character in a Chinese children's cartoon
Didn't give a fuck about Gohan five minutes ago, but now that I know he makes you piss your pants in fury I might like him.
What does Bulma needs a time machine for?
Full power Ultra SSJ2.
One of the drawbacks of USSJ was it slowed Trunks down because of his increased muscle mass.
This new form compresses all the extra raw power from USSJ, into Trunk's base SSJ2 form, without him having to lose any speed.
tell me you filthy ningens about the sins you have committed and I shall purge them
Reminder that Zamasu's voice will live on
Gods 1 ningens 0
>Bring Kaiosama back to life with the earth dragon balls
Didn't ANYONE involved in DBS read DB/Z?
Anon, that was way before Dende upgraded them.
Frieza has been dead for years and was still brought back, even in his cut up form before Trunks completely obliterated his pieces.
First, they never mentioned they upgraded the time limit.
Secondly, if the one-year rule can be broken, then the main timeline is kind of dicks. Why didn't they bring back Goku, Future Gohan and everyone else in Trunk's timeline? They could have just gone to Trunk's time and wished everyone back.
Main timeline didn't have a functioning time machine. Besides, the only reason they were able to travel back and forth so often in super is because only now did present Bulma develop the fuel needed. There was no telling how long it would take for everyone to get back if they went with Trunks to the future at the end if the Cell saga.
Honestly, ask that question yourself.
The only time this one year limit was mentioned was regarding that mass resurrection wish. It's not a hard rule otherwise it'd come up more often.
The future timeline only makes sense if you pretend the other world doesn't exist in the first place. Why did Goku no got to Kaio and tell everyone about New Namek, maybe using the Dragonballs from there to ressurect Piccolo and the others with the one day visit? Heck, even without the one day visit, he could just talk directly with the Namekians through North Kaio.
So the Earths Dragon Balls has the rule that they cannot do anything that would surpass the power of their creator, correct?
Why can't just Piccolo infinitely bring people back from the dead at a whim, when Kami created them?
Body condition being relevant is just another rule being bent that was eventually forgotten. Up to the Saiyan Saga, the characters often worried about the condition of the bodies for resurrection. Then, comes Namek's aftermatch and suddenly when they brought back Kuririn, it was mentioned that the dragon rebuilt his body as a "special favor" - and after that body condition was always ignored, and everyone always was brought back by their wish, doesn't matter their bodies' state, until we got the recent Revival F movie, when it suddenly was relevant again for Freeza.
>Frieza has been dead for years and was still brought back
Shenlong couldn't do it completely, Freeza only survived because of his resilient body and his army healing chamber. Shenlong himself even said it was a pointless wish because he was dead for so long.
that is probaly what she has to do, when champa isn't busy eating
That's not the point, he could have taken Trunks in to change for a while, and evidently it's not a problem going back in because Vegeta does it later on before the final time they go to the future
That would be great.
Imagine Future Zeno's parents come back to find all of creation missing, including their son, only to find out that some time traveling ningens abducted him.
>it's not a problem going back in because Vegeta does it later on before the final time they go to the future
Most likely Toei shit, not apart of Toriyama's outline.
>The lookout time chamber was supposed to be destroyed and someone could only use it twice in there life time.
Beerus already has clues regarding Zamasu's plan without Goku needing to go back to the past. I'm not that anon, but at this point it seems pretty clear there will be no back and forth in the manga, just a single long battle in the future.
She looks like a sassy black woman with her neck attaching at the back of her head instead of the middle like that.
I guess people who do art can't be fucked to learn anatomy.
>dad secretly wants to kill them both
>I like how you come to this conclusion before Toyotaro's manga is even out
SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta spent three years training and sparring, didn't get that much stronger. Vegeta uses the RoTaS by himself for less time and somehow eclipses Black Goku.
All that goes out the window when Goku is able to overpower Merged Zamasu without Kaioken, when Vegeta needed to team up with Trunks.
To be honest, I would also stop trying if I knew that no matter what I did, a bunch of pissants would go
>HURR DURR HURRR DBZ WAS BETTER
>HURR DURR LOOK AT THIS COLOR PALETTE
>I DON'T LIKE THIS COMPOSITION
>He's not written to not give a fuck
He only cares about food and fighting and has always been that way. You know who else is like that: some guy named Goku.
You know what else acts like they don't give a fuck unless it has to deal with food? A cat, and Toriyama has a hairless cat of his own that a certain Hakaishin was based off of.
His cat probably wrecks fragile shit in his crib all the time, a real "God of Destruction"
someone please educate me on what the end game was after emptying the universe. did he plan on recreating it again? or just spending eternity floating around in nothingness?
or perhaps his secret little cove exist outside of the physical plane?
>All that goes out the window when Goku is able to overpower Merged Zamasu without Kaioken
He really didn't.
Goku just tricked Merged Zamasu in thinking he was weak (start the kamehameha mediocre, keep putting less and less energy in it, and when Zamasu thinks he won, pump a fuckload of energy into the kamehameha).
>inb4 someone makes a MISCALCULATED image of Goku too
i woudn't mind seeing him fighting, but he would probaly move so fast no one but maybe whis and vados would see him move.
Goku and Vegeta spent a pretty long while training under the attendant of the God of Destruction to learn to work with God Ki and obtain SSB.
Only for Trunks to go "HAHA RAGEBOOST FUCK YOU DAD."
Also, Arale is showing up apparently, so we will be lucky if there's anything left of the main cast after.
>then you clearly haven't understood the concept of One Punch man.
Right back at you, he is meant to show what would happen if a character at the end of their stories in a shonen was always that strong, of course he stomps the villains. Imagine current Goku at the start of Dragon Ball, people would be saying the same shit about him, One Punch Man is just a series title, not a description of his character
>He only cares about food and fighting and has always been that way. You know who else is like that: some guy named Goku.
First off, even in DBS it's clearly shown not to be the case. He was obviously worried about the stuff happening with Zamasu.
Secondly, if you think that's true about Goku pre-DBS, you clearly got your information from watching the Abridged Series.
A friend of mine think that piccolo is as strong as Super Buu because he was able to fight against frost ( who fought on par with SSJ goku ) and we know that base goku/vegeta are much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.
So, what are your though about it?
he really is.
his first form was interesting and creepy, but was a coward
his 2nd form lasted short and was mediocre
his 'perfect' form was lame and boring.
frieza and even buu are far better villains.