Yayaka and Cocona are the true Flip Flappers.
Reposting my question because I seriously need to know.
Do we actually know Papika was fleeing the KKK facility?
Because they have the siren going in the background at FlipFlap headquarters, too.
>Look Asclepius, I post it again!
The robots are the only thing we've got going for that, I'd say.
If Papika just left somebody for dead in the KKK headquarters just like that, that would be pretty fucking dark.
I think there's a lot we still don't know. Some anons think KKK HQ is out in the mountains similar to where Papika burst out in Ep1. Its pretty strange that Papika is outside the city there, but then FF HQ turns out to be in the middle of town.
Maybe Salt was leading a kind of special operation inside KKK. There was tension between Salt's band of misfits and KKK officials. Papika's break out was the final straw that prompted Salt and Co. to split.
A lot of this could probably be answered by seeing the events between Ep1 and 2.
Yayakat looks lewd here for some reason.
The strongest evidence is the fact that she flees whatever facility she's in and comes out into the mountains overlooking the town. The KKK base is shown to be in the mountains with a similar view overlooking the town.
Episode 7 shows the KKK base in the mountains and episode suggests that flipflap is located in the town. When Papika escaped we see her flying over mountains outside the city. I have a hunch that flipflap and KKK are/were more than just enemies.
Its a lesbian mating ritual. You can see the blonde lesbian is extending her hand out, but has been rejected as evidenced by the lack of interlocking fingers.
Pic related is an example of a succesful yuri courtship. Most likely the female on the right will not be able to mate this season, but such is the way of things.
Why would a lesbian be into lesbian rape?
You realize that could be you getting drugged and ravished by a blonde midget with a large forehead, right? Put yourself in the poor victim's shoes!
makes me think of vid related
somebody pls animate
And they didn't show us those events for a very good reason.
There's something really important to the big picture in that, and it was withheld deliberately to ensure the viewer couldn't jump naturally to the correct conclusion before it was too early.
I feel like that also means the events that transpired between those two episodes must include something ridiculous, like a schism within the KKK forming Flip Flap, or timeloop shenanigans. The intuitive leap of "Papika rescued Cocona and got her new glasses" is so obvious that there'd be no reason to withhold it from us, or to decide to suddenly complicate our understanding of the opening scene of the first episode now, at the end of episode 7.
There's something really outlandish going on. I feel like the key is accounting for Cocona's fixed glasses. Were they replaced with an identical pair, repaired somehow, or evidence of a time loop? The repeating elements of Cocona's morning ritual are uncannily similar to the repeating elements of the episode 5 loop, but there hasn't really been any other evidence of loop shenanigans
I rewatched that part again and it doesn't look like KKK facility. The robots don't look like KKK robots, they look like something FF would make. Buu-chan is FF, again no sense for him to prevent PPK leaving KKK base. Sayuri says "Papika modotte! Tomarinasai!". It only makes sense to say if Papika was running away from where Sayuri is, i.e. Flip Flap.
Time loop is a tired cliche that doesn't help with originality at all.
>schism within the KKK forming Flip Flap
This more likely happened after Salt saw Mimi die.
>the key is accounting for Cocona's fixed glasses
Grandmom can fix glasses too?
>The repeating elements of Cocona's morning ritual
Cocona is shown as extremely punctual. She goes off to school at exactly 10 am, maybe for the train schedule, maybe she is just like that. To be that punctual in the morning, she may need help of grandmom checking on her waking up.
I made a decently sized FLFL logo if anyone wants to subtly put it on anything like a shirt sleeve or pocket or whatever
There's a chance one of the preview pics tomorrow could reveal something interesting.
Not that I can remember. Maybe she remembers how they were broken and is kinda freaked out by them being fixed the next morning so she doesn't carry them with her anymore. She probably doesn't remember how she got home the previous night either.
If she is breaking out of Flip Flap here, I think there is enough variance between Ep1 FF, and later FF that you almost have to conclude we're in a different universe than we were in Ep 1.
In Ep 1 Flip Flap has a nice mountain facility, with lots of robots and shit, but when we see them again they're hiding out and have nothing.
If it was just a scratch or the lenses popped out fixing them at home would be reasonable, but with a crack that large I don't see it happening.
It's not a matter of fixing. Broken glass in prescription lenses means a new prescription lens needs to be ordered.
She came out of PI with broken glasses after the sun was setting, so it would have been too late to order a replacement from a prescription store. She woke up with them already fixed, too early for a prescription store to be open.
Which means either that Grandma has the lenses on hand because that's coincidentally her line of work, or the replacement were procured by another source less grounded in reality.
>Do we actually know Papika was fleeing the KKK facility?
Nobody really thinks right? Or is it a meme like how everyone is pretending this show totally makes no sense when it's actually pretty straightforward?
prescription lenses are like 200 dollars a pop, you don't stock backups for something like that.
Especially because a girl her age will likely have her prescription change every 6-12 months, just as a result of growing.
>prescription lenses are like 200 dollars a pop
Also Cocona's eyes aren't so bad that she needs constant adjustment to her prescription.
Its also possibly they aren't prescription. She could put fake glasses on for the sole purpose of looking smart, and trying to impress her peers.
The color scheme and the red eyes make them look more like klanbots to me. That said buu showing the stop symbol and the tentacle arm stuff make it seem like he was trying to prevent her escape, though I guess you could make an argument for him running away from the other robots and just trying to latch on to get out of the facility with her.
Yeah, it's not like time loops were specifically shown to exist, or anything.
This time loop is shown as the defensive mechanism of the particular PI world. What purpose does it serve to have the main world in a time loop other than unnecessarily complicating the already complicated plot? For a time loop plot to be convincing you have to set up an entire history and character motives. I don't think there is enough screen time left for that.
I think more likely than being a time loop, Ep 1 took place in a much more brutal universe where the KKK just killed Cocona and Papika. Since their time in that world ended, the story just moved on to a parallel universe where Coconuts and Papika are still going.
implying you can tell the difference between a time loop and traveling to a parrallel universe
>She could put fake glasses on for the sole purpose of looking smart, and trying to impress her peers.
I kinda doubt that since she put them on to look at Buu's brain. I think the only other time she was wearing them was when she was at the nurse's office.
>there hasn't really been any other evidence of loop shenanigans
It's unlikely that it's evidence of timeloops since they are just elements of the background art but for the record; the various potted flowers around the school like the stargazer lilies behind Cocona and Papika's desk do not wilt or bloom.
Much like the Lilies in CocoPap's room in ep5 remained static until they broke the curse.
To be honest, that's probably just because they endeavor to recycle individual backgrounds as much as possible. Pablo work is expensive.
Also holy shit, putting those two version of Cocona side by side make it almost look like it's out of a completely different anime.
Don't forget Cocona's muscle pains and Papika's bandages at the start of episode two. Papika also asked if "they" did anything weird to her. There's definitely continuity between the first two episodes.
>direct a RahXephon episode
>goes on to debut as series director for Dennou Coil
>never direct anything again
>direct a Space Dandy episode
>goes on to debut as series director for Flip Flappers
The fact that they even know each other in episode two is evidence of some degree of continuity.
Still, as this discussion has made abundantly clear, it's difficult to explain away the issue of the glasses.
I still think it's kinda likely that Papika just wished for the glasses to be fixed with the amorphous using the fragments Flip Flap already had. It would also explain why they have so few when it's clear their operation's been running for a while. It's also kinda supported by Papika's answer when Cocona asked what she would wish for in episode four.
Because he has one that he brought back himself. It starts glowing earlier in the episode
A prospective partner that was a "bust" because she evidently failed to make it through the jump to PI. Probably couldn't get the impedance low enough
From where I think this show is going, a rewatch of episodes 1-10 after episode 10 is probably mandatory to get everything they will reveal in the next 3 episodes. I've already watched episode 7 3 times to catch everything that people have been discussing.
Considering Flip Flap's supposed goal is to collect fragments, I doubt that's the first one they've retrieved when they started their operation. "A fragment?" is a better statement if that was the case.
This is an interesting theory. I have been thinking that he might have gotten that fragment from the first PI, but where and how?
I'm not saying you shouldn't rewatch, but I don't think there are enough clues/details to come to any sort of conclusion at the moment. We have only just recently passed the halfway point so we've got a lot more ground to cover.
She also shows up the morning after. She might have known that they took her at the very least.
She might have been sent by the organization to check up on Cocona and make sure the tracking device is still intact. Yayaka is Cocona's friend, so it would have probably been the most realistic way to keep track of Cocona without giving anything away. I doubt she knew they chloroformed Cocona before they told her.
>Yayaka is familiar with Cocona's home.
What on earth do they do when they actually meet up, rather than just casually socialising at school? I can't imagine anything but silence.
I need an excuse.
After seeing the first couple of minutes, I really feel like Papika is just running out of FlipFlap HQ. I know there's discrepencies about where the damn thing is located, but I feel pretty certain that FFHQ is where she was 'escaping' from. I personally believe that all the other characters are acting way too relaxed for this to be anything more than Papika shenannigens. If something serious were going down, I'd expect Hidaka and Sayuri to be more concerned about it.
Yeah, this is what makes that scene so difficult to parse.
She's obviously leaving Flifla HQ. Like, super obviously. You'd need to really stretch it to see that scene as anything else.
But then we learn the location of flifla HQ being very different from where it's shown in episode 1. And now we've learned that KKK HQ is in roughly the same areas as the ep1 scene.
Unless both subs are shit(CR has the same line), then he does not say "another".
YES. BRING IT BACK
Upon viewing the beginning part of episode 2 (and judging by her reactions in episode 3) it is pretty safe to say that Papika has never seen or heard of Yayaka or the twins. If there was some sort of unseen split or schism between the two organizations during the time between ep1 and ep2, you'd think that, at the very least, Papika would know some of the participants on the other side. Something had to have happened, but what could've happened that would've put Papika in bandages? Did she go and save Cocona from the KKK? If that happened, why didn't they take the fragment from her? I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge when it comes to things like this. I don't like it when pieces are missing. Is it possible that the people behind this show just assumes that the information isn't important? And seriously, why are Cocona's glasses completely unharmed? I don't believe the time loop thing, but why go to the trouble of making things seem normal when Papika and Bu-chan come back one minute later?
I think the bandages were for the wounds she received from the giant tentacle beasts. All your other questions are questions I've had myself and I wish I had a conclusive answer.
Even if that anon is wrong we've still got Papika leaving some girl unconcious/dead in some base somewhere.
It makes her suspicious, like she'll be revealed to be some kind of sociopath later.
In every episode something is eaten inside of pure illusion. Snow, hard objects, sweet potato, cookies, auntie's pancakes, whatever Cocona eats in ep.7. Most of these things are "sweet".
Gotta be Yayaka, so that the next "amai na" will take on an entirely different meaning.
I just realised Cocona specificly must be very important for Flip Flappers...
I mean we know that Papika had another Partner before but they didn't even get 1 shard and the transformation also seemed like Papika didn't do it before.
I don't think that's just because their synchronisation level is better now...
>Upon viewing the beginning part of episode 2 (and judging by her reactions in episode 3) it is pretty safe to say that Papika has never seen or heard of Yayaka or the twins. If there was some sort of unseen split or schism between the two organizations during the time between ep1 and ep2...
I might be wrong, but doesn't YYK say to CCN, after she asks about her gathering fragments, that she's been doing it longer than her?
Now considering that CCN and PPK already gather a fragment in episode 1, that would mean that YYK (and presumably the twins) has been active since before trhe series began. At the very least this makes it far less likely that YYK and PPK used to belong to the same organization.
What's strange about this is that at the end of episode 7 we learn that Yayaka does nothing but follow team Flip Flappers around, so there must be someone else before collecting them.
I speculah'd a few episodes ago that KKK basically ran in to a wall with their shard collecting. They probably have no way of homing in on the PIs that have shards in them, whereas CocoPaps are drawn to them by instinct. It explains why they bothered to capture and track Cocona instead of just eliminating the competition.
Excuse me if this has already been discussed and explained, but I missed the early threads: Did Cocona always have the amorphous inside her thigh?
That's lewdPapika chosing her as her new partner seems a bit random, but I thought that Papika actually smelled the amorphous inside her. In episode 1 Papika says that these shards smell nice, so the little puppy just smelled Coconas shard and thought that she was the one.
I really see no other reason why Papika got so obsessed with her.
>I really see no other reason why Papika got so obsessed with her.
What do you think has being fueling us speculating one thread after another? There are tons of things haven't been rationalized at this point, including that shard supposed to be in Cocona's thigh which emitted light several times.
It's been weeks, days, hours, I have not been able to sleep properly. I need someone's help.
What the fuck was that scene with Bu-chan tried to befriend Uexkull? He slowly turned into a monster/bigger and apparently attacked him but the next shot they are together and everything looks fine? What the fuck is going on.
It needed more Kissu and headpats.
Well, Yuri is often criticized for the lack of sex stuff, but since it was a show about mechanical bodies it portrayed closeness based on purely emotional affection (which some people don't believe in), very true to the spirit of "purest form of love". I think it was wonderful in that regard.
I... I wrote a song for Cocona.
You are my Cocona
My only Cocona
You make me happy
When skies are grey
You'll never know, dear
How much I love you
Please don't take my Cocona away
I hope she'll like it.
Should have used the panty removing shot from episode 7
Pandora was ruined for me by that fucking annoying "da ya" bitch. Also the animation quality was a little lackluster. Pandora with FLFL production values would have been outstanding.
Not so pure anymore as Nene's about to have an affair with evil lesbian clarin.
Will Papika sue for copyright infringement?
>Nene's about to have an affair with evil lesbian Clarin
She'll realize that Clarin isn't the real Clarin before she jams it in just like Cocona did with the Papikubus!
The dorky one's being seduced this time. And Nene's not as smart as Papika.
What font is being used for there?
Final PI must be married life before Papika dies.
Cats have the stinkiest butthole, but the rest of their body tend to stay fairly clean and not smelly for a long time. Pups don't have stinky butts but they do get smelly faster.
Cocona loves all kinds of pets however, so it's all good.
My wife Cocona and I having straight sex for the sole purpose of procreation.
Resized perfectly to fit your phone.
I feel very stupid. Thought they only did this stuff with animu waifus. Apparently nips also yuri ship their idols. And nice song.
Ahh, this is a cute artist.
Papika, is it hot in here or is it just you?
That design really reminds me of Kaworu for some reason.
No, I would have wrote if off as a fujoshi show. But then maybe I would tried it out after seeing something on /a/, assuming artstyle is the same.
Do you want your daughter to turn into lesbian?
Yes because it's not just yuri that makes me love it. It's the type of relationship we see PapiCoco growing together. If they were boys but the dynamic was the same I'd still like it especially since it would avoid a lot of the fujoshit that plagues things like YOI.
I'm friends with a cat. We play and sleep together. Love that little fellow and Yayaka's not even my top 3. Papi a best.
From the big 3. Who would you choose as your daughter's girlfriend?
You'd need a lot of patience with Yayaka. She seems like the kind of person that wouldn't talk about problems and just let them fester. Cocona is pretty cute and reliable and taming Papika would take some time but be very worth it. I choose Sayuri.
Literally what purpose does she serve?
After they get out of PI at the end of ep 3 Papika still has her pretty dress, so either they revert to the state they were in when they entered or their bodies never left reality. I don't know how the KKK portals work with that though.
Buff Uexkull romantically cuddling Buu. A reversal of this basically.
Anyone else reminded of Shadow and robot from Gunnerkrigg?
>turns out Papika is a child of PI and disappears as PI disappears
>Cocona and Yayaka graduates
>both girls goes to the same high school to start a band
>a retard and a rich heiress joins their band/circle of friends
>Mimi is Salt's mother.
>So Cocona's grandmother?
>No, her mother.
You guys are idiots.
Salt black hair - Cocona black hair
Salt is Cocona's uncle, Mimi is his sister. Mimi had a child(Coconuts) that exists in both PI and the real world. Same with Papika, Mimi died in PI which is why Cocona never remembered her. In the end Cocona will have to choose:
PI with Papika or Real World with Yayaka.
>Cocona black hair
How did Papika get Cocona pregnant?
And shouldn't Cockona be doing the impregnating?
>PI with Papika or Real World with Yayaka.
>Cocona says she has made the decision
>opening riff to "Over the Rainbow" starts playing
>special ED that shows montage of Cocona and Papika visiting various PIs
There's something about Cocona that makes me want to make her smile. I understand why Papika is obsessed with her.
>wears sexy long socks
>cares about her pet
>knows how to have fun
>taking seven episodes to notice the fluffy hair
>kkk and Mimi defeated
>Can't legally married Cocona
>Have to study and get a job
>Cocona wants to be an """artist"""
>she tells everyone you are her cousin
Cocona is a DORK.
Looks cool and obscure enough to hide your power level. Ari gato.
I wonder why there isn't any official merch. I'd buy fucking anything. They had so much time to prepare something, it blows my mind they don't have official T-shirts or whatever on sale.
I just realized that the bars weren't symmetrical
Is this NTR? I thought we had something special!
The characterization for a boy-meets-girl story would have to be very different. A male can't get by just being cute than Papika did. For example, "Tanomo!" would not be believable as something that endeared him to the rest of the class.
I'm trying to come up with other angles for a male Papika (outsider bad boy, hopeless frustrated outsider that Cocona takes pity on, perfect in every way badass, perfect in every way prodigy etc) but all of them are pretty cliche.
Now, if Cocona is the genderswapped one, they're basically Haruko and Naota from FLCL.
There is plenty of discussion here. Just a lot more shitposts to wade through to get it. A lot of the more interesting stuff on /u/ is posted here first and then someone takes it back there to their thread.
I don't know. If I knew ahead of time it had whatever the male version of yuri is (I don't think yaoi is exactly the same thing is it? Yaoi I think has more explicitly pornographic connotations) I'd avoid it like the plague, but if they'd just introduced them as a couple of adventurers who went to awesome settings and only later they started discovering their feelings I wouldn't drop it.
All that matters is that he gets to keep the Goatse hole.
Something I couldn't help noticing these last two weeks, but Stalker-san has a pretty good grasp of our culture/memes/colloquialisms.
He censors obscenity but always preserves the essential meaning of our gibberish.
My reasoning here is that yaoi has a lot of stuff I do not like. I'm not just talking about gay stuff, but stuff like unbalanced power dynamic, doms and subs, torture play, that kind of crap.
If it was just FF with male characters well... That'd be fine. Like imagine for example, it would not have taken anything away from Gurren Lagann for me if Simon or Kamina were gay.
The last episode was set in Motomiya. Motomiya is slightly above Koriyama. Mother nature targets it for sure
This sounded cute so I made a some sort of really quick and rough sketch. I don't know how to properly use my new scanner so it came out kind of weird.
So, next episode we are getting a digital/cyberpunk looking setting for the first time and Pablo are not doing the art for the episode for the first time.
I wonder if this means the show will have digital looking settings going forward from episode 10 when Pablo are not doing backgrounds anymore.
Also who is this guy? Random PI inhabitant? Young salt?
>FliFla character with blush cheeks
More like RIP Flappers
>Yaoi I think has more explicitly pornographic connotations
So does yuri, the term has just been diluted through overuse. "BL/shounen ai" caught on, "GL/shoujo ai" never really did. It's just how it is.
>What is Flip Flap
it's Madoka but with lesbians
Nah someone at the screening said that Cocona's VA said she personally likes Yayaka and then the person reporting from the screening made a joke based on that "Cocoyaya official".