Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1744

2ゲット！

I finished an episode of drama and still have 11 more words to collect for the day's quota!

Time to either watch some random youtube or just add some 四字熟語 from some shitty lists

>>149966819
ご愁傷様

>>149966870
蛙鳴蝉噪
燕雀鴻鵠

>>149966951
>蛙鳴蝉噪
>frog calling cicada be noisy
whats wrong with frog calling doe

>>149967050
ぎゃーぎゃーうるせぇんだよ

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大事な物ゲット

>only 2 weeks till JLPT
let me end this nightmare

>>149968266
lol you've actually been thinking about it?

>>149966870
>>149967360
The fuck do video games of 3DPD drama shit have to do with anime or manga?
>>>/v/
>>>/jp/
Use the appropriate boards for your shit and stop dragging off topic crap into /a/.

I'm doing a little programming experiment. Are these sentences understandable without further context? I don't understand any of this since I'm just starting out.

銀行強盗が起きれば、ましてや人質がいるともなれば、警察は必死で犯人を追うに決まっている。

目撃者によれば、この旅行は家族に対して放映に関係した殺人の脅迫を示した。

このため、常に情報操作を行うのではなく、必要な時だけ行い、それ以外は避けて真実を報道し続けることが最も効果的な情報操作である。

以前とは違う自分を試したかったエイコは、グループに所属せず単独のエンターテイナーとして勝負することを決心。

>>149968616
大丈夫?

>>149968266
What grade?

>>149969002
the only one that matters

>>149966581
Anybody have the awz3 files to Fate/strange fake?

>fell behind on anki and now I'm at a shiton of reveiws

should I just start over or grind out 700+ reviews?

>>149969626
Start reading.

>>149969636
>tfw too dumb to read

it just feels like I'm guessing wtf is happening, and even with the reading pack I forget all the grammatical words

>>149969626
Check on stats in the forecast how many cards are due today and do 2x-3x that. In a few days you'll be back to 0.

>>149969719
do whatever you can a day, everyday
newborns cant read either

>>149969719
You don't suddenly get accustomed to reading from day 1. Start now.

>>149969761
Alright. I'll try that.

>>149969808
Yeah, I guess. I just wish japanese had spaces so I could at least see where words begin/end and I could get a word for word easier, rather than feeling like I'm guessing.

>>149969819
Yeah, but by the time kids can read they know enough words to get by. A kid learning to read knows english pretty well comparatively.

Somebody should update the reading list. Why are certain games listed under 'advanced' when comments say that they're easy to read?

>>149970384
its a complex joke

今日も一日呑気で！

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>>149969867

Play old games if you want spaces, although no kanji can be equally hard to decipher.

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おはようおにいちゃん

おはなししよ

にちようびにカレーのにおいがすると

にほんだなあっておもう

おにいちゃんがにほんだなあっておもうのはどんな とき/もの？

>>149970638
>although no kanji can be equally hard to decipher.
i wish i had believed this before i started mother 2
>she'll be right
famous last words

>>149970640
将棋やってる時

>>149970640
俺は２９日到着してとたんにお肉を買おう

>>149970638
What the hell, there's a Death Note NES game?

>>149970765
しょうゆうこと

>>149970858
あるある。１１４５１４

>>149970956

It's a shoop

Translate

睡眠くん推しキャラ

>>149971631
Make Me, Bitch
*dabs*

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>>149971631
Sleeping killed characters

>>149968616
It's just as offtopic as learning Japanese is on the anime / manga board.
But that's fine cause you personally like it.
Hypocrite.

>>149971651
>*dabs*
顔をしかめ

I downloaded the etoeto rip from a while on /a/ I am wondering if any new content was added or if someone was able to rip the html/text as well as audio?

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>>149970858
おにいちゃんのおにくたべたい

かってきて

Does niconico live region lock posters? so the japanese people can't see your comments or something?

noob here, is たい always personal want?
>キミ達にぜひ、この国で何があったのか説明したい
>want to explain to you

>>149972334
why would they do that

>>149972343
yes

>>149972273
いいけど、何が食べたいの？焼肉とか焼き鳥とかとんかつ

>>149972356
Well I am the only one in the "room" and they keep going "no one going to comment?" and started singing in terrible English and then ended up having a boke and tsukkomi act with her friend.

>>149972372
どうも

>>149972343
I am no expert.
But I always thought ほしい was more personal than　たい

>>149972442
Shouldn't be, sometimes people just don't comment, like me.
I listen to singers mostly as BGM so...
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv282551516

>>149972500
You're probably thinking of a different kind of "personal", this is purely a grammatical different

In broad terms
たい is used when you want to do something
たがる is used when others want to do something
てほしい is used when you want others to do something

>>149972343
>>149972500
>したい：する＋たい
I want to do it

>ほしい
I want it

>して＋ほしい
I hope you do it.

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Is there a site that has good grammar courses with exercises and shit?

Something like the Japanese from Zero online courses for example, but without a fucking abo.
>Japanese from Zero
The books are shit, but I think the online course is okay if you turn the kanji on, just not worth a abo in my opinion.

私はゲイしたい

>>149972442
They were either ignoring you or you were saying something that got caught by their filter or the sites filter for comments

What naughty things were you saying, Anon?

>>149973269
「私はイギリス人、日本語を勉強します。
あなたの絵は素敵です
自分で作ったですか」
パンシ見せて

>>149973264
ゲイの人またはゲイになる？

>>149973264
＞俺がゲイになりたい。

>>149973368
ダブルゲイ

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>>149972426
うふふ

なにたべたいかあてて

の

>>149973513
そんなに小うるさい子
しかも金髪
たんぱく質、脂肪、炭水化物
それは全部の食物のエネルギーだよ
まぁ、もう一つあるけど

So I've just started building my own mining deck in anki using rikaisama. This shit is amazing. But is there a way to automatically import audio along with the new word? Doesn't matter if the voice is robotic

>本当に牛みたいな乳してやがる
This basically means "those tits are truly like a cow's", but the してやがる indicates a (emotionally) negative statement, so it be more like "Those really are fucking cowtits.", right?

>>149974331
You don't need audio.

>>149974331
You need audio.

> "those tits are truly like a cow's"
>this is what he learned japanese for

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>>149974482
living the dream

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>>149974201
しょくもつせんいだね

だいじ

>>149974659
苺ましまろが糞だ。

>JLPT N1 in two weeks exactly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMrjHoVZQQs

Time to panic.

>>149974422

していらっしゃいます very formal , respect
しています formal
している or してる casual
してやがる rude

>>149974331
You must change import options. Add audio field in anki deck and adjust rikaisama's settings accordingly.

>>149966581
i want to push dekinai down and rape her

daijobou

>>149966581
Use the right OP link. http://djtguide.neocities.org/

なんか混乱してきた。
get a chance チャンスを得る
take a chance 運に任せる
だよね？おんなじ意味じゃ無いよね？

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>>149974928

>>149975228
J->E or E->J?

>>149975261
E->J っす

>>149975291
正い

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>>149975186
ＤＥＫＩＮＡＩを押し倒すことは出来ぬ

>>149975328
わーい。ありがとう！

わっはいははいっていたい

>>149975406
吾輩っとか

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百花ちゃんかわいい

>>149975467
ひゃっかちゃん！！

>>149975467
監督のＣＧですか

>>149975467
Did Imouto wrote the script for this?

>>149975519
おっと
カントクよな

>>149975519
>監督
>>149975531
>カントク
By the gods...

>>149975515
ももだ

>>149975519
そうだよ

>>149975673
>ももだ
ももか*
ももと申しの方がかわいいと思うけど

>>149975467
Hey, I finally understood some japanese!

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Friendly reminder to not underestimate the power of mnemonic techniques.

I'm reading the Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari and when he's describing the map he says:

森の先に何があるかこの地図では予想が出来ないが、これから行く道と適性の魔物がいるのを予測しておかなくては戦いようが無い。

And I can't figure what this means, can someone help? My issue is with
>予測しておかなくては戦いようが無い

Is it something like "I have no plans on fighting any monsters [...]"?

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>>149975857

>>149976203
> 予測しておかなくては戦いようが無い
More like "I can't fight without a plan."

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>>149975467
>とっぷしーくれっと

>>149976203
This map does not give us the slightest hint of what lurks ahead in the forest. If we don't predict in advance whether there are goblins lurking on the path it will be a hopeless slaughter.

戦いようが無い -> no way to fight

>>149976643
>>149976659
Oh, now it finally made sense, many thanks!

>>149976350
ぞい子ちゃんみたい

>>149976680
真里亜は一番の女だけどルートがない
悲しいものだ

>失認症

Gotta love when Japanese words are a million times easier than their English counterparts

You see 退ける, do you read it as

1. しりぞける
2. のける
3. どける

>>149977338
Depends on the context.

>>149977338
lol 退く　has 4 readings.
Fucking gay.

>>149977338
Give us the rest of the sentence.

>>149977338
Context plz

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Feel when i swear im going to study so much japaneses during the weekend only to wake up Sunday morning with a hangover and depression.

One day, ill have the work ethic of a nihonjin.

>>149977929
Nihonjins don't have a work ethic. They literally pretend to work all day.

>>149978010
過労死 exists though I don't think you can die by just pretending to be under pressure working all day.

>>149977929
In the same sort of situation. Big day planned, start my reviews and can't remember anything/getting everything wrong.

So now I'm playing video games ;_;

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>>149978010
>>149978093
yeah. I think its debatable. Ive met both kinds of japanese: one where the work is awful, the other where its normal.

Animators probably have it the worst though.
>>149978227
ganbarru man. heres a jp qtie for inspiration

>>149978662
３次元キモい

>>149966581
Does anyone know the origins of できないちゃん？

Someone's clothes are called 邪廃魔. Can someone help me out with this?

How do I learn to read Japanese names if they're in kanji? Or rather is there a website that lets me input a name and get the reading?

>>149979540
Add the Japanese name dictionary into Rikai

>>149979573

thanks

>>149975115
Got it thanks so much anon! I really appreciate it

For new words would be useful to play the sound before reading it?

>>149978728
Yea, a lot of people do

when importing cards into anki with rikaisama how can I get it to also import the sound?

Something is really strange about the automatic audio that rikaisama gets. I just added 留守番 and it sounded like the woman said "denwa" on the end, and I don't even know what the volcalisation for 枚 is trying to say but it sure as fuck isn't 枚.

Romaji are bad and all, but am I the only one who thinks they're ugly as fuck?

>>149980532
I think you're just projecting

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Why is it that the Japanese need kana and furigana growing up. But the chinese start with Kanji right away?

>>149981154
Because Chinese kanji (Hanzi) have basically one reading.

>>149981154
chinese reading is less random so that's ok.

>>149981154
Don't quote me on this, but I'd imagine there's a lot of "grown-up" characters that children can't read. Many simplified chinese characters (Japs use traditional) sort of have phonetic component so they're easier to read/learn in general.

>>149981576
It's chinese in general that still has meaningful phonetic components. Simplified chinese is less regular. Kanji are selectively simplified, but the phonetic hints aren't very useful anyways.

Alright, 20 minutes into rosetta stone after mastering hiragana, I've ran into 飲んで

Which I assume means Drink

However I'm trying to figure out the difference between 飲んで and just 飲.

I'm using furigana in rosetta stone because I figured I'd start picking up the basic kanji while doing the first few lessons.

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?

>>149981700
is this from raddit

>>149981700
After narrowing down my google searched I actually found relevant information. This question is now void, nevermind.

>>149981721
〆

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Remember djt, when you feel lazy. Just overdose on all these wonderful spices.

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>>149975186
出来ないさ

>>149981938
What about sugar or butter?

>>149981700
even when I was just starting out I wasn't this stupid

>>149981938
So I just need to sage threads before and after doing my reps?

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I haven't touched the Japanese language in a year, yet I can still read Yotsuba and other simple things, maybe the recovery won't be so bad, and I'll end up better than before.
Never give up anon

>>149981938
>No Fish Oil
It's like you don't even want to learn japanese.

>>149982253
I have a feeling you're overestimating your capabilities as I have no idea why would someone somehow stop encountering Japanese for one whole year despite already being able to read things.

>>149982412
I was sick of doing anki shit every day and there wasn't anything I wanted to read.

>>149982093
I dont fucking know
>>149982201
heh
>>149982326
I was ready for you, baka

First off, fish oil is not a spice
Second, it mentions the benefits of omega-3, which means it promotes fish oil

Now go やる yourself,

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Is that first word really 今後? Manga fonts are the worst.

>>149968856
Yeah I can understand the first three without context, but the last one doesn't really seem to fit without using previous information.

>>149982458
>and there wasn't anything I wanted to read.
I sometimes wonder how people like this find their ways into these threads.

I wonder if I can even finish everything I want to read in the next 10 years... so much compelling content!

I remember an anon mentioning getting all of their raw manga from a private tracker, does anyone have any idea which site could that be?

>>149982487
But if this sentence group isn't really supposed to be related then it's fine.

>>149982513
>so much compelling content!
Or low standards and shit taste.

>>149982706
The sentences are clearly unrelated

>>149982478

maybe if you are a beginner

>>149982799
Uhuh, but the first three have a theme going on where as the last one doesn't

>>149982708
Nah I have extremely good taste if I do say so myself.

>巷(ちまた)
New kanji getだぜ

>>149982941
Give examples of what you consider compelling content or buzz off

What the fuck is with this r sound oh my god I'm going to kill myself

>>149983045
I don't talk to people with inferior taste sorry.

>>149982021
>the moment when you walk in through the door and see your precious dekinai-san with another man and she just looks at your smugly
That would break anyone's heart.

>>149980438

Since I asked this question just a few hours ago and got an answer, you really should scroll up and read the thread before asking.

A few details the other anon left out

in firefox:

goto rikaisama options> clipboard & save, there's a field for saved audio, point it at your media.collection folder. Add "$t[sound:$a]" to the end of your saved format string. do the same with the anki tab in rikaisama options.

obviously hit the save audio checkbox

>>149983326
that'd mean i'm freed from the curse and all i can do is wish luck to the guy that took over.

http://rocketnews24.com/2016/10/29/817530/

おまわりさんいわく「顔はめパネルは不謹慎かもしれないけど、指名手配犯を探す協力はしてくれてるからねぇ」と、撮影はOKとのこと。

What was the policeman saying? That its imprudent but it would help them find criminals?

How do you guys would respond to いいですね!!
Person 1
>I like this group *shows a drawing of said group that I made*
Person 2
> いいですね!!
Sometimes they respond with ね！ but this does not seem to be the case here.

>>149983637
Pretty much. "Might be a bit strange to use a cut out, but it helps out with finding wanted criminals so..."

>>149984003
そうね

Then try to add something else to the converstation if you can.

>>149984003

group?

>>149984258
but previously it stated that the police dident set up this cutout?

はす向かいにある交番でおまわりさんに聞いたところ、警察が設置したものではないようです。

>>149984334
Yeah. I get the feeling they're a bit reluctant to keep it in the building, but anything helps.

>>149984267
I see, thanks!
>>149984272
A music group/band/artists etc

>>149982513
This.

>>149982708
Try to see it from the opposite way : perhaps you're the one who's empty and unable to find and feels joys in anything.

It goes both ways, できないくん.

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Am I ready to start reading 四叶妹妹 yet?

>>149982021
Actually made me mad

>>149984775
Given the output of copy paste LN/eroge, badly produced anime and low quality video games云々 from Japan nowadays, pretty sure it's a matter of low standards.

It's perfectly okay to enjoy harem shit though, it is entertaining sometimes

>>149982021
出来なさ

>>149985824
And even ignoring those there's endless, never ending content. If you're not a bitter human, that is.

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>>149982021
Thought that looked like the Genki guy. What a player.

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おはようおにいちゃん

曲媚豊頬

>>149986231
Fuck off avatarfag.

>>149986231
おはよう
今日は早起きだね
ロリ地方に行きたい

Is there an easy way to 'flip' my anki decks so that instead of going japanese -> english I can go english -> japanese? Mainly looking so I can practice Kanji.

>>149987152
there is flip option in the card settings, switches back and front.

i do my flashcards just like i wipe my ass back to front

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I didn't know that getting praised by a 日本人 FELT this good, fuck

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>>149987413
>知らない人

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>>149985942
It IS him. That's the joke.

>>149987413
日本語上手いね
日本語上手いね
日本語上手ですね
すごい！
日本語上手！
Does it still feel good?

>>149987413
I never take praises from Japanese people seriously.

Last time I was praised I got told すごいじゃん！ about how I had read 30-40 manga volumes.

>>149988120
yah thats kind of the bad suggoi whoops

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>>149988033
Wait,
Are there Japanese people in /DJT/?

>>149988358
No

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>>149986361
にほんの軍隊を南スーダンに派兵したよ

内地は平和だけど

一歩壁の外に出ればそこは地獄の世界なのに

どうしてあのんはにほんに行きたいと思ったの？

>>149988358
people will tell you no but thats just because of their own jealous nerd envy

>>149988358

hi im japanese

>>149988358
un
watashi ha nihonjin joshi chuugakusei desu
yoroshiku onegaishimasu

>>149988358
There are many Japanese posters in /int/. So it's no wonder some of them drop by here.

>>149988358
Real answer here, yes, a few.

>>149982657
AnimeBytes?

>>149988545
nihongo, jouzu desu ne

>>149988358
see: >>149988399

>>149988545
watashi mo desu

>>149988768
>>149988925
minna, watashi no uchi ni asobi ni kimasen ka?
ocha ga aru yo

>>149988731
Not him but their search function is super shit, I just tried and can't find shit.

>>149989115
ocha kirai desu

横
書
き
は
つ
ま
ら
な
い
ね

>>149989157
hidoi

>>149989157
nanda? nanda to itta no? ocha no waruguchi wo iinai, bakayarou. omae no kao wo tsubusu yo

kisamaaatachikuntachi kieuseru o kudasainee

>>149989354
nani kore

watashiwa gay

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>>149989403

>>149975226
What's the difference?

>>149988358
>Are there Japanese people in /DJT/?
No. The thread has manchildren roleplaying as little Japanese girls, but that's about it.

>>149988652
>There are many Japanese posters in /int/.
Sure, if you mean proxyfags and English speaking expats living in Japan.

>>149988780
That retarded avatarfag isn't Japanese.

>>149989619
how do you know

>>149989657

＞he doesn't know

>>149989796
woah how did you make that arrow without a green text

>>149989853
企業秘密

>>149989501
One is an archived old version. The other is maintained.

Do you think in English when talking Japanese anon? Our guy is talking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMV2YzwVPVI

>>149990051
no

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>>149990051
>think in English when talking Japanese
Is that even possible?

>>149990051
Do you think ESLs think in their shitty languages when speaking English?

>>149990051
dat accent doe

>>149990263
superior*

>>149990263
>shitty languages
Do you think your language is the only non-shitty one? Fuck you, self-centered americans.

>>149990388
>being proud of being abused as a child

>>149990051
neck beard check

>>149990388
fuck you america pwns and will continue to pwn

>>149990051
>Our guy
but that's not based steve

>>149990432
What?

>>149990528
Don't reply to shitposters. Report and move on. Can't you learn the basics?

>>149990599
haha the hiniku

>>149990599
Wouldn't be appropriate to report since this is an off-topic thread in the first place. However, you do have a point.

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Using only 2 sentences, describe, in your opinion, the single best way to learn Japanese implying the person you're talking to cannot move to Japan and can only rely on their computer and internet.

>>149990934
read more

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>>149990934
Read, listen, talk to yourself, BITCH.

>>149990934
Study every day.
Read compelling content.

>>149990978
>>149990974
Wow, you are dumb

>>149990974
>>149990978
>>149990986

When is time to read?

>>149990934
Don't bother.
It's a waste of time.

>>149991039
When you're awake.

>>149991039
In my opinion once you have at least the basics of like TK down.

>>149990934
ジャパンの友達を作ってみて

ジャパニーズビッチとセックスしてみて

Is 貴様 an accepted way for people to call each other in the army? Nearly all military themed VNs I played had people refer to each other like that.

>>149991016
How do you study anon?

>>149991039
when you find yourself on djt

>>149991039
before you press the post button

>>149991105
i dont know im not in the japanese military

>>149991105
No, you absolutely must use 貴官 or 閣下, or else your warrior spirit becomes disgraced and you have to 切腹.

>>149991195
What if I burn with 大和魂?

>>149991161
Why do you always feel the need to reply to everyone and everything although you never actually have anything to say?

>>149991238
do you have something to say or are you just adding to the noise -- consider this before posting

>>149991238
Think before replying to shitposters.

>>149991333
doesnt this make you like double retarded for replying to a reply to a shitposter -- consider this before posting

私はゲイ ーー カキコする前によく考えましょう

>>149991466
>カキコする
カキコしたら＊　――　カキコしたら、前によく考えましょう

>>149991582
こいつはカキコする前に
私がゲイであることを忘れましたのであろう

>>149991582
カキコを読むとき、騙されないように注意しましょう

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>>149991688

古き良きディージェイティー

Would a good way to practice pronunciation to record yourself while doing flash cards?

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Do I need to study names like vocabulary to actually go anywhere with reading them?
It seems that most Kanji names use readings that are rarely used anywhere else or have non-jouyou jinmeiyou kanji that I will never encounter in the wild.
I asked this a long time ago but I got non-answers for the most part.

>>149992478
yes

>>149992503
names are all the same shit once youve been exposed to them long enough and readings arent hard most of the time because you know what names are and just have to connect the dots so to speak when determining how to read them

「滑り切った」はどういう意味ですか

>>149992644
ゲイ同意語

>>149992478
にほんごはてきとうはつおんでも

じゅうぶんつうじるから

きをつけなくてもいいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

Should I do kanji separately from vocab?
Pros/Cons?

>>149992795
pros: you'll know kanji
cons: it takes time

>>149992795
No correct answer, do what you think you'd handle better. Personally I don't and it works fine.

>>149992707
えええええ

>>149992723
I don't think this is a very good idea for me because I tried to do that from the start, and everyone says that my pronunciation for sentences is terrible. So I've got to practice on it.

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>学生の語彙数は、小学生レベル：５千～２万語、中学生レベル：２万～４万語、高校生レベル：４万～４万５千語、大学生レベル：４万５千～５万語。
勉強しないとぉ

>>149992723
>writing is vitally important
>but shitty pronunciation is fine
I think imouto has brain damage

Today I did Anki for 28 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 3 hours and 29 minutes.

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>>149993745
ほんとうはわかってるんでしょ

はつおんよりないようだって

>>149993745
Don't give him attention.

>>149994955
don't give him attention

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>>149966581
The azwf files of 半分の月がのぼる in the CoR are unfortunately broken.

>>149966581
I added a Fonts section to the CoR.

http://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

Thanks to this anon >>149930580 for the image.

>>149995336
The "JIS-2004 Textbook font (official stroke form)" in the first page of the existing CoR is FC教科書体

>>149994996
半分の月がのぼる空, by 橋本紡?
Try these to make your own azw3 files:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4hi3b0rrd0wm7we/%E5%8D%8A%E5%88%86%E3%81%AE%E6%9C%88%E3%81%8C%E3%81%AE%E3%81%BC%E3%82%8B%E7%A9%BA.zip

>>149995455
Wow, thanks. Where did you get this from if I may ask?

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What the hell why do 上手い and 上手 use the same kanji and mean the same thing but are pronounced differently

>>149995495
Collection of text files in the CoR, probably. Don't exactly remember, just searched for 半分の月がのぼる on my computer and that came up.

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can anyone read this word? fucking impossible for me.

>>149995567
why is invalid ticket pronounced one way but invalid person pronounced another
they are spelled the same?

>>149995567
because they are different words?

>>149995567
Compound words and words with kana at the end tend to use different readings. Another example is 躊躇 and 躊躇う

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>MFW I just found out about 'high notes and low notes' and how it changes the meaning of a word
This is gonna be a long haul isn't it?

>>149995567
>and mean the same thing
They don't, but I can't exactly explain the nuance to you using English.

You'll get a feel for them.

Alternatively :
https://www.google.co.jp/#q=%E4%B8%8A%E6%89%8B%E3%81%84+%E4%B8%8A%E6%89%8B%E3%80%80%E9%81%95%E3%81%84

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Progress, I guess. (took today)

>>149995698
I've just resigned to never knowing the correct intonation and just speak and listen flatly forever

>>149995567
>>149995694
What comes to mind is 揶揄 and 揶揄う

>>149995661
賜物

>>149982021
>Ah!, Anon you
What does the kimi mean there? Is it supposed to look like she got cut off or something?

>>149995698

red pill me on this

>>149995757
Never seen that verb in kanji before

>>149995567
One is a noun/な-adjective while the other is an い-adjective.
Languages are full of similar words.

>>149995774
アノン君のバカ

>>149995789
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pitch_accent

>>149995774
very funny

>>149995789
Japanese accentuate words by changing the pitch, not the intensity of the sound like English does, so if you want to speak properly you need to learn how to say the words with the proper pitch accents. For a listener that makes almost no difference as far as understanding the words go, save for a very small set of words which differ only by pitch accent, like 橋 and 箸, but it's still good for your listening to be able to catch on pitch accent.

>>149995765
臓物

>>149995836
分かります、だから質問を尋ねます。
I know, so I ask questions。

>>149995451
Ah, I didn't notice that. It's in the Fonts tab too now.

>>149996079
Thanks.

>>149995567
>>149995694
>>149995757
戦慄く
戦慄
彷徨う
彷徨
嘔吐く
嘔吐
蔓延る
蔓延
狼狽える
狼狽
成立つ
成立
恋慕う
恋慕
微笑む
微笑
輪姦す
輪姦
嘲笑う
嘲笑
強請る
強請

>>149990934
Read a lot. Now.

>>149996126
sakujo this

This whole "just immerse yourself without any kind of basics whatsoever" meme is annoying desu. If just reading or listening with no previous knowledge was enough to learn a language the entirety of /a/ would know Japanese by now.

>>149996144
やだもん

>>149996237
Who said that? People say do Tae kim then go into material.

>>149996237
>immerse yourself without any kind of basics whatsoever
Who the fuck said that?

>>149996237
That's why you read Tae Kim and DoJG or whatever textbooks you want

>>149996281
People are saying that everyday here. Just telling people to go read and shit without even caring what point they are at in grammar or if they even fucking know kana.

>>149996319
Why would anyone post here without knowing kana when you learn it in a few days? It's safe to assume everyone does. Same thing for Tae Kim, no reason to ever post here if you haven't finished it yet, takes only about a month.
I think you're making up some kind of boogeyman that doesn't exist.

>>149996319
its a good retard filter because anyone who hasnt learned kana or basic grammar shouldnt be asking questions here

>>149996319
Telling people to start reading early is not the same as telling them to ignore didactic material. Reading as soon as you can start having a grasp on the text is indeed extremely beneficial.

>>149996237

First off, the idea is do a basic grammar guide before reading. Second, it's not just reading and listening, but reading and listening with the intent to understand what's being said. That means looking up unknown words and grammar. That's the meaning of learning japanese.

>>149996237
>If just reading or listening with no previous knowledge was enough to learn a language the entirety of /a/ would know Japanese by now.
No they wouldn't, because active listening/reading is a lot of work. It DOES teach you Japanese, maybe not the most efficient way but it can get you good way faster than classes can. But it takes too much effort for most people to do it.

>>149996390
Don't try to deny it. It happens. See >>149996144
for just a small example.

Do we know at what point that guy is in his grammar? Nope. But hey, "READ NOW" right? It happens way more that just this one post too. If you haven't noticed then you either haven't been paying attention or you don't come here often.

>>149996488
You're pretending to be retarded, right? Go read instead of shitposting here if you want to learn Japanese.

>>149996457
>But it takes too much effort for most people to do it.
Basically this. I suspect people complaining when somebody recommends reading before learning thousands of words and grammar rules just can't be assed to actually put some effort into learning while reading.

>>149996543
>oh shit he is telling the truth
>better shitpost

>>149996545
>recommends reading before learning thousands of words
if you think you need thousands of words before you should start reading you're a 出来なさな人間

>>149996488
I and both of those posts. If you think my post means "stare at a text even though you have no idea what it means" you must be literally retarded.

>>149996488
Sounds like you're too lazy to read and are making up excuses. Let me guess, you're from /v/ and play video games?

>>149996578
>出来なさな人間
For a djt without memes.

>>149996578
>you think you need thousands of words before you should start reading
I said the exact opposite of that.

>>149996561

You're just retarded, dude. Obviously someone who doesn't know kana or grammar shouldn't try to read. That's why the OP of EVERY SINGLE THREAD has a link to the guide that recommends LEARNING KANA AND READING A GRAMMAR BOOK

If you haven't done that you shouldn't be fucking posting in the thread to see any advice telling you to read

>>149996651
i was concurring

>>149996237
>the entirety of /a/ would know Japanese by now.
the 'read more' memers will just say they didnt immerse themselves enough

honestly they are just tired of the same questions about hangups they no longer suffer and dont remember exactly where or how they got over them anymore

>>149996620
Stop projecting. I've been reading for a while now.

>>149996612
I'll repeat myself. If you don't think this happens then you don't come here often. It's in every thread. People tell each other to go read without even giving a fuck where they are at.

>>149996714
Everyone who is posting in this thread is capable of reading, period. If you aren't you should be reading the guide instead. So no, it is never wrong advice.

>>149996662
Nobody is telling that person to read. The point is, learning grammar and kana is such a small part of the learning process that it's irrelevant. The bulk of the learning comes from reading. Everything else is marginal, save for maybe doing some anki for base vocab, but even that doesn't take 10% of the time you should spend reading if you ever want to get good. When a person tells you to fucking read he's assuming you're not an idiot and you won't try to read something you're incapable of understanding.

Just study a language like Chinese where you don't need to study grammar at all.

>>149996662
Don't be retarded. Nobody is prohibited from coming here until they finish a grammar book.

>>149996662
>That's why the OP of EVERY SINGLE THREAD has a link to the guide that recommends LEARNING KANA AND READING A GRAMMAR BOOK
The shitposters in these threads who frequently tell people to read or watch anime instead of studying grammar, using Anki, etc. don't care about the contents of the OP.
Problem is that these shitposters all too reliably get fed the attention they want and anyone who tells them to fuck off is hounded down by the shitposters who spend god knows how much time in these threads. The anon you are responding to probably thinks the shitposters are serious, which is also unfortunate.

>>149996684
>reply
>concurring
ややこしいな

>>149996755

I think we share the same viewpoint

>>149996803
Why are you so afraid of reading anon? You aren't gonna learn Japanese otherwise.

>>149996763
What does China in terms of culture that's worth mentioning except centuries old books that in any case have manga adaptions

>>149996780
not prohibited, but they shouldn't do it anyway if they've got any common sense

to them the "read more" is just a marginally softer way to restate "get the fuck out"

t. a "read more" shitposter

The thing is, it doesn't matter "where you're at", because if you still haven't reached the level where you can start reading simple content, what you need to do is very obvious and literally outlined in the guide. If you're asking for advice here, it's safe to assume that you already know a few hundred words and most of the grammar covered in Tae Kim's guide.

>>149996839
I'm not even him, but are you people incapable of not shitposting? When the fuck did he say he is not reading?

>>149996825
Good.

>>149996867
This is what I was referring to about anons being unable to stop feeding the shitposters. You're much better off simply reporting and ignoring because all they will do is attempt to make up frustrated.

>>149996780

You don't have to finish, but if you haven't even begun to read a grammar book you should gtfo. If you read something in a grammar book and you aren't sure so you have a question and come here and ask that is totally cool.

Let's put it another way. What information could someone possible gain here without having begun reading a grammar book other than 'go read a grammar book'? What could they possibly contribute? What questions could they even ask?

>>149996755
>save for maybe doing some anki for base vocab, but even that doesn't take 10% of the time you should spend reading if you ever want to get good

I'm going to comment that although this is basically true, phrasing it this way leads to some big misunderstandings. Even if you do all of Core6k before doing any reading whatsoever, it shouldn't take more than 300 hours total time in anki. Considering it takes a couple thousand hours to get good for reading, that means that even if you are an "anki addict" you will probably not spend more than 15% of your study time in anki by the time you get good.

If you have decent retention it just isn't possible to spend too much time in anki, because anki just won't give you enough cards to spend too much time in it. You can whine about people who do 1000 cards a day or something but those people probably even end up spending less total study time to get through their Core phase, and are much more comfortable reading after it.

カキコ対戦

Let's fix this. The definite guide to Japanese in two sentences:

If you can read, fucking read more.
If you can't read, follow the guide and learn to fucking read.

Any objections?

>>149996932
>Even if you do all of Core6k before doing any reading whatsoever, it shouldn't take more than 300 hours total time in anki
I'm at only 1000 mature cards in my custom deck and I have 300 hours total time in anki.

>>149996842
hot women

>>149996953
Would you mind posting your stats for said deck?

>>149996949
1) Learn how to read.
2) Start trying to read. Keep learning how to read until you can actually read.
3) Read. And read more. Listen on the side. But read read consume and devour.

>>149996847
>if you are not at least X level you shouldn't come here
No. This thread is for everyone who is learning Japanese, regardless if they are still in the process of learning grammar/following the guide, or if they have 4 years under their belt.

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>>149996949