Flip Flappers

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It's safe to say this is foreshadowing of some kind, right? Either of them is going to change once they find stuff out about themselves/Pure Illusion and their bond will be put to test.

>>149869520
They will both change a lot due to the next revelations. I think this episode ended with a note that their bond will be unbroken because they will find and save each other.

>>149863354
3 > 6 > 5 > 2 > 1 = 4 > 7

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Oh hey, the teeth thing is back!

I'm starting to think it symbolises Mimi's womb or something.

All this weird and uncalled for fanservice is disgusting me.

>>149869351
>red twin tails
>blue twin tails
Coincidence?

>>149869761
Look at the sales. The director and studio are panicking. You can tell some of it was hurriedly squished in.

Not every seinen anime needs melodrama. God damn why can't they just go on fun adventures and shit?

> third thread in a day

Flifl/a/fags

Statement of intent to contribute low quality posts.

>>149869807
They've been doing that. I think the show has a nice balance.
Is the guy wearing the hat Salt?

>>149870016
Its A Dr Salt, not THE Dr Salt they have dealt with up till now.

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/ourgirl/

Does anyone have a list of all the names of the various Papikas this episode? They're in the ED and somebody romanized them earlier today

This is the first time where I think the story would've been better if it had taken place in a dream. This most recent PI felt like it wasn't fantastic or removed enough to warrant taking place in another dimension, and so long as we're exploring Cocona's relationship with Papika it may as well have been in her own head anyway.

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>>149870249
>that slack sitting posture
DISGRACEFUL

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>>149870269

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>cockona

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Why do they bully Yayaka? I don't want to see her suffer.

Garbage show. It has all the cardinal sins of one.

>style over substance
>references over story
>yuribait that is not love and will lead nowhere (straight girl is being baited)
>uninteresting, bland characters with no depth
>shit soundtrack
>episode after episode of pretentious imagery meaning nothing
>literally no plot

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>>149870374
Papia the best

>>149870374
>lol we're the only ppl in the world right now, lets fuck?
>no thanks
where's that GitS image where the kid rejects Makoto? it reminded me of it

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>>149870432

Looks like the twins are bullying Yayaka too.

>>149870374
Ahh damn. This is exactly what I was going to make. Oh well, thanks and saved.

>>149870374
>Papito
>not Pa-pico
You had one job

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>>149870432
do we have any Yaya webms?

>>149870316
I think it was plenty mystical and it was interacting with Cocona in an attempt to stop her from getting the amorphous. I was thinking that she could have been stuck in a time loop or something along those lines had she just continually spent her time with the "Papika"s. While it was a fairly basic concept, the PI in this episode (and then it of detail they gave us on PI in general) really opens up a lot of possibility for what they can do with it in future episodes.

>>149870374
Know your Papis
It might save your life.

>>149870316
It was in her own head.
All PI's are someones mind.

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Bu's eye here wasn't subtitled.
Which moonrune is this supposed to be?

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Didn't the director cite this was his favorite episode somewhere on his twitter?

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I think the main reason people aren't feeling this episode as much as the others is because they gave away too much in the previews.

>>149870374
PLEASE SELECT YOUR CHARACTER

Flip Flap fighting game when

>>149870456
The whole point of the episode was about a girl exploring her feelings for other girl and what she's gonna do about them, fuck off with your bait.

>>149870516
Pacu no Pico

>>149870567
This. I personally hyped it to insane levels, but really after seeing the PV and knowing they only have twenty minutes, it should've been obvious that they couldn't do much more with the Papikas other than show them.

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Jesus Christ, this is straight out an Asanagi H-doujin

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why does Cocona have a world tree in her mind?

>>149870547

Looks like "falling".

>>149870456
Yeah, but it has good production values at least. I don't think that it is all bad.

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I regret nothing

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>>149870645
>Saving thumbnails
Got your back anon.

>>149870570
And her conclusion was she doesn't like girls but would like a boy.

>>149870672
It's full of QUALITY.

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>>149870645
>saving thumbnails

>>149870717
No, her conclusion is she likes the real Papika, none of the fake ones regardless of gender.

>>149870717
>It's full of QUALITY.

back in my days trolling meant something

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>>149870474
Don't have it but here's a flip flap version

If the sexytime Papika was a creation of PI and Cocona's imagination then doesn't that mean she was a way of Cocona releasing her internal questions about the nature of their 'love' and possible sexual desires? She seemed to understand that these weren't the real Papika and so not her friend. I mean what that Papika was saying might have been questions from Cocona's own mind.

>>149870758
She wanted to kiss a boy but refused sex with a girl.

>>149870759
Their bodies constantly appear off model. Everything about this anime is bad aside from fucking over /u/, but all anime does that.

>>149870567
This is true. The idea was novel last week when we saw like 4 out of the 8 Papis in the preview, but by now it wasn't quite as quirky anymore.

I think another part of the problem was simply that the pacing of this episode was too fast. We barely got any time with each Papi before moving on to the next one. In most cases we barely got through an introduction and then the scene cut. I think the only one that ended up getting a decent exchange of dialogue was the slut Papi. The whole gimmick behind the episode just flew by too quickly and wasn't utilized to its full effect.

I didn't dislike the episode, but it was a lot less entertaining that the premise would have led me to believe. A couple other episodes, most notably episode 3, have felt like the pacing was just a little too fast, and just a little bit too much happened in the 24 minute runtime to really fully enjoy all of it.

>>149870374
>Papina is the one that ends with the same kana as Cocona
What does it mean?

>>149870717
>>149870759
Nowadays "trolling" = "say something demonstrably untrue, but act like it's self-evident." It works, though, so I can't really blame them.

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WHAT THE FUCK

>>149870846
She didn't want anything of that boy or the succubus, she just wanted her real Papika.

>>149870374
>You will never see Cocoka, Cocono, Cocoto, Cocoa, Cocoyo, Cocowo, Cocoko, Cocoya. Just Cocona.

>>149870875
This is when she realized some shit was going on.

So it looks like Papika escaped KKK headquarters in ep 1.

That means Bu must have been KKK and they rewired him at Flip Flap, but he could still be acting for the prior. Maybe he's the reason Yaya and the twins are so good at crashing the party.

>>149870855
It means their names both end in "na"

>>149870872
Confident retards make the best and hardest to ignore bait.

>>149870845
Makes sense.

>>149870850
I feel exactly the same about the time loop episode.

>>149870903
>You will never see Yayano, Yayato, Yayaa, Yayayo, Yayawo, Yayako, Yayaya or Yayana.

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Anyone have what this was referring to?
>>149870059
>Someone repost that thing about them having kids in the illusion

>>149870700
>Ramune bong

for what dark purpose cocona

>>149870903
Which one, or ones, helped Papika turn the pipe into a spaceship?

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What is papika?

>>149870555
He probably likes one of those papikas then i guess.

>>149870997
>for what dank purpose cocona

>>149870845
I feel like all of the Papikas were manifestations of possible relationships, and Cocona went through 1 by 1 turning them down because what she really wanted was what she already had with Papika. She didn't want a sexual relationship, didn't want to be swept away by a bad boy, or swooned by a prettyboy. She didn't want a friend who she could blow off steam with at the arcade, or gloomy friend she could do dorky stuff with, or an imouto who would make her meals and wash her back and want only for her love. She rejected each and all of it in turn because what she wanted was Papika.

All of the others looked like Papika but weren't. That was important. Despite looking like her physically, they were totally different personalities, and the authentic Papika personality is what she was searching for. Part of the point was that she wasn't looking for a superficial relationship. She didn't want someone that looked like Papika, and didn't want someone that just helped her meet one of her physical or emotional needs, like the boys being male company, or the slut being sexual gratification, or the imouto being a servile little teddybear. Her relationship to Papika goes beyond that, and the motions of this episode helped Cocona to realize that.

>>149871020
The nerdy one.

>>149870656
>why does Cocona have a world tree in her mind?
And the Klan is feeding the shiny shards to some big Irminsul thing.

What does it all mean?

>>149871056
>what dank purpose cocona

>>149870981
It's probably referring to the ideas a few anons have been posting in previous threads. Basically Papika and Cocona are married with children in a Pure Illusion and they don't want it to end because it would mean their happy life there ends along with it.

>>149871056
dude amorphous

>>149870962
I think it's been a recurring problem all season and is likely just a consequence of the director having big ideas and lots of resources to play with. They seem to always try to fit just a little too much into each episode and the result is that slight feeling of things being too densely packed together, and moving along too quickly.

That said, I felt like it worked well for the timeloop episode because that feeling goes along well with the monotonous repetition of being trapped in a looping cycle of menial activities.

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I want an imouto like Papino

>>149871058
>She rejected each and all of it in turn because what she wanted was Papika.
I see, and at the end her Papika came and found her and they synced back up again.

>>149870917

But you could hear Hidaka and Sayuri when she was escaping. Unless they're double agents or something.

ay papito

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>>149871127
Funny way to spell Papia

>>149871058
/thread

>>149870656
>world tree
There's 5 trees in that image, anon.

It was just a clever bit of juxtaposition. The wind picks up and the shot cuts to that as the sound of leaves rustling plays. The particularly detailed brown (so dried) leaves in the midsection of the tree accompany the sound of dry leaves rustling in the wind. It's a neat way of giving the viewer an accompanying visualization of the sound without actually animating rustling trees.

>>149870901
Del/u/sion, she only thought the boy was attractive. Straight.

So i think i got this...
>Mimi is Salts wife that somehow created PI
>by "liberate" salt ment getting her back to as human
>KKK knows about the danger that can be caused by fucking up PI want's to rule it to make sure it's save
>YYK will probably change sides soon
>Love triangle fucks up twins and maybe some KK leader and get all fragments
>Mimi is complete and does some fucked up shit with PI and the real world

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In fact, this shot might be deliberately confusing. In episode 1, Asclepius HQ was shown before a scene with Salt. Now, FF HQ is shown before the scene with KKK. Also there's a possibility that FF and Asc are located in the same block of buildings but are not aware of each other.

>>149870917
Alternatively, the idea of the tracking chip on Cocona would also make a lot of sense. Aside from the twins, Papika and Cocona are able to enter Pure Illusion. It would explain why they let them go at the end of the first episode. Obtaining the amorphous is going to go a lot quicker if Yayaka tails those two and swipes it, like she attempted in the previous episode.

>>149871237
>Also there's a possibility that FF and Asc are located in the same block of buildings but are not aware of each other.
That would be pretty funny

>>149871237
it's been heavily implied that FF HQ is somewhere in the city.

Gonna breed all the Papikas.

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>>149871092
>Papika and Cocona are married with children
This is a sex free house Cocona, and by God it will be for the rest of my life.

>>149871217
>without actually animating rustling trees.
They did, just with the shadows instead.

>>149871227
She never thought the boy was attractive, the literal phrase was "A pretty boy, seriously?" As in being in disbelief about it, she was tired of the fakes at this point.

>>149871058
I think it was more complicated then that.

>>149871237
They've been to FF HQ before. It's definitely in the town.

We just assumed up until now that the scene from episode 1 was just a secondary Flip Flap building up in the mountains, but this makes it clear that she was fleeing from the KKK in that episode.

My pet theory remains that KKK and Flip Flap are the same organization and that Cocona is just being played.

>>149871305
She acknowledged him as pretty. Straight.

>>149871235
>Mimi is complete and challenges Papicoco to a rock off
Fixed.

>>149871320
Well there was also the overarching theme about what it means when people change, and especially if it's because of you.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that this is all because Cocona doesn't like what happened with Iroha.

>>149871320
Well then go ahead and complicate it.

>>149871305
Just give it up. We'll never hear the end of the "pretty boy" line and her reaction to the indirect kiss. His kind isn't interested in reason.

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>>149871294
Cutting it real close.

>>149871358
Learn some Japanese words before you post in a anime thread again. You also have to be 18 to post here.

>>149871305
she blushed though...
That still could imply that she would fall instantly for a male papika since she's kinda in love with her but still unsure about the lesbian part

>>149871291
No.

>>149871358
It was the archetype "ikemen", it's just a title, not if it was attractive to her.

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Is this supposed to be an AA2 reference?

>>149871358
Aside from it being perfectly possible to acknowledge someone as pretty without being sexually attracted, she doesn't even say (a) (pretty) (boy). She says "ikemen", so she measn (a) (pretty boy), she's just describing the archetype.

Also, stop baiting poorly.

>>149871401
The line is clearly understandable if her knows japanese.

>>149871439
Then become a /jp/er, see >>149871428

>>149871237
uchikoshi pls go

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>>149871305
She blushed because she got an indirect kiss from boy Papika. She's straight, fuck off yurifags.

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>>149871360
>tfw they were collecting the parts of krauser-sama so his new album finally destroys the world

>>149871494
She blushed because she got an indirect kiss from Papika, the gender doesn't matter.

>>149871494
any 13 year old girl would blush from a kiss even if they weren't attracted to the person

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[x] ADOPT

>>149871428
You can't stop me from breeding the Papikas.

>>149871439
>>149871494
Someone is evading their ban again.

>>149871058
Pretty sure you just nailed it better than anyone else has, or probably will.

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>Welks
What did she mean by this?

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Wake up and see this
What do you do?

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>>149871494
>She's straight
the final boss was a succubus, mate

>>149871709
But I want to meet all the Cocona's that came to Papika while she was looking for her Cocona and building the spaceship..

>>149871751
Just a typical imouto-type character speech quirk.

Don't have the time to watch this until tomorrow.
What's the consensus on the episode?

>>149871358
I didn't realize 100% of the women I have met in my life were sexually attracted to other women.

>>149870374
I want to sexually FUCK Papina.

>>149871802
not even top 3

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Papi's sense of smell is dog tier. Cocona needs to be extra careful about her body odors around her. Wonder if she can detect the monthly visitor or cancer.

What was the source of the amorphous in this episode?

>>149871832
Lesbian succubus.

>>149871851
defeating the succubus papika sexually

>>149870479
>cameltoe (male)

what did they mean by this?

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>This place is fun
Did they fuck?

>>149871802
Some will tell you it's garbage, some will tell you it's good but not up to par with other episodes, and some will tell you that it's great.

>>149871058
This basically sums up what I took from the episode and while it definitely wasn't very exciting, it had a purpose and was still very enjoyable.

>>149871888
News flash. It was a reverse trap all along.

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Yayaka BTFO. Literally useless.

>>149871265
It makes a lot of sense to me given we were told Yayaka can't go open pure illusion herself in this episode and it explains why they let Cocona go back to Flip Flap so they would carry on opening up Pure Illusions so the KKK squad could swoop in and take fragments without always relying on the twins to be able to access Pure Illusion.

>>149871879
Did Yayaka top the demon? Or was it the other way around?

>>149871851
It's probably as relevant as the sources of the beanstalk/tetris worlds' amorphous. So not at all really.

>>149871986
She probably becomes submissive at times like those.

Wouldn't it be succubus Cocona in Yayaka's case though?

>>149871986
She beat the Cockona

>>149871948
Does this refer to Yuyu and Toto or Cocona and Papika?

>amorphous children
Are Yuyu and Toto created from a gemstone?

>>149871916
In a literal sense, yes.

>>149871851
Yeah we didn't find out where Yayaka got it from, I think it just served as a purpose to force Cocona out of the Pure Illusion and to allow Papika to save her. It would have been interesting to see what happened if Papika didn't save her, where Cocona ended up though.

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>>149871948

She was the one who retrieved all the Amorphous though. I'd be pissed too. This is some fucking nepotism right there.

I think this was the weakest episode so far.
It showed nothing we already didn't know, there was barely any fun with the Papikas, and the only plot-relevant happening could be resumed to the last 30 seconds. Next episode looks really cool, so that's a plus.
It seems in the end they fell into the "PI limbo", since the previous PI ended without they safely exiting it. Makes sense once you consider that Salt Mk.2 is also there.

What was the message this episode tried to tell? Cocona still thinks PIs are dangerous so nothing was solved.

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>Blatant product placement

>>149872031
Might just be >>149872034's case.

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>>149871763
Which she friendzoned.
>>149871916
No

>>149869801
This explains all the "I just want to disappear into the wall" comments from the director

>>149872031
Maybe Toto and Yuyu are an example of what happens when impedance reaches absolute 0. Perhaps Cocona and Papika could end up the same way if they reach a certain level of synchronization? This might not be possible for humans though.

If we entertain the idea that the twins are actually cyborgs/robots, then reaching absolute zero impedance could be much easier for them. But because they aren't human, they are incapable of transforming like Cocona and Papika can.

Do we have a gif of that indirect kiss reaction?

>>149871944
>inb4 they both crossdress like the twins in Black Lagoon

>>149872117
This episode was super fucking relevant to Cocona's relationship with Papika. It's weak if you just want wacky PI adventures or twisterooni x-files plotlines, but as far as character development goes, it was the strongest episode since 4.

>>149872132
Buy a cream box every day, anon.

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Anyone else didn't notice this was the pipe when watching the episode? I thought it's just some random FlipFlap-made vehicle.

>>149872212
The spirit of the episode was appreciated, but the execution was weak

>>149864958
No, she didn't want to.

>>149866171
No, she doesn't.

>>149872152
You're ignoring the lines she said after that.

>>149872117
It was about exploring the way Cocona perceives her relationship with Papika, as well as the theme of personality changes(relevant to the senpai situation)
see >>149871058

>>149872240
Yep, that was awesome. Papika loves that pipe so much, since it's where she met Cocona.

>>149872164

That probably refers to tomorrow's screening. He said he isn't used to speaking in front of public.

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Their headgear says P and C respectively. Pretty cute.

>>149871058
>game over this weeks speculah
I'm capping this one.

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Can anyone read what the book or the poster on the wall says?

>>149872240
>Papika flew in on a giant dick to save Cocona
The dick always wins

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Prostitute Papika wears school uniform. Literally enjo kosai.

>>149872372
It's not a dick, it's an onahole (see episode 4).

>>149872322
Pussy and Cock? or Penis and Clitoris? we'll never know for sure

>>149872386
Devilish.

>>149872402
Why not both? Papika did add a rounded glass window to the front.

So this great show has finally gone to shit. Oh well.

Not even interested in the next episode anymore.

>>149872417
Pussy and Clitoris.

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>>149872117
>What was the message this episode tried to tell?
There you go.
>>149871058

It's not really clear where they ended up or how though I don't think besides flying the pipe form the school into the sky.

>>149872212
I think the shot composition of this episode was some of the strongest in series so far too. Lots of interesting shots.

As a little girl, I want a Papika gf so much.

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Adatara Shrine

>>149871763
Also it was raining again like in ep5.

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This guy deserves a collage of his own.

I wonder if his speech actually made sense.

>>149871986
>Did Yayaka top the demon?
Why do you think she got depromoted?

>>149872477
It seemed to make sense, he just ended up not saying a whole lot. Which was the point.

I like the names in this show: flipflappers, papikas, etc

I'll watch it when it has finished airing

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>>149872466

I guess I know where I should go next time I visit Japan. I would have 2/2 for Studio 3hz original anime pilgrimages.

>>149872487
>depromoted

>>149872466
neat

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>>149871058
All these Papikas probably are pure components of the real one though, and the theme of questioning change is ever present in the series. Cocona is afraid of change, she can’t even decide what school she wants to go to and she immediately assumes Senpai being different now is a terrible thing, when she’s evidently much happier now.

In fact I don’t even think Senpai gave up on painting, I think she’s making room for new paintings. She mentioned she’s bad at getting work done both with good and bad weather, meaning it’s an issue inherent to her. And remember that this is japan, not getting work done is terrible.

>>149872548
Sora no Method was such a fucking letdown.

>>149870374
Adopt and spoil Papino
Tenderly seduce Papia and then deny her gratification
Have Papiyo peg Papito
Let Papiwo and Papiya double-team Papiko
Lock Papina in chastity and make her watch all of the above.

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>>149870656
those are the bars on the tree trunk she sees in her dream vision

>>149872640
What do the runes say?

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>>149872614

You, sir, ain't my nigga.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11675188

>>149872386
I like how she closed the curtains. Like having an affair. That papika managed to get her in lewd clothes but Coco pussied out in the end for the real Puppy.

>>149872640
It's pretty interesting that the pure illusion changed from the relative weird, european-style "real" world of flip flappers to generic japanese small town with shrines, konbinis, love hotels and canals over time.

>>149872717
>I like how she closed the curtains. Like having an affair. That papika managed to get her in lewd clothes
Coconuts seemed to be into it except for it not being Real Papika.

Having a hard time buying the "I need to make Senpai go back to normal" thing. It's not like Senpai's life is miserable or anything, she seems fairly happy. Why does Cocona care?

>love hotel

My biggest question is why wasn't it a Boy Papika.

>>149872809
The paintings are in the trash.

They were good.

>>149872809
Because Cocona is afraid of change. The whole episode was about that.

>>149871058
>because what she really wanted was what she already had with Papika

This might raise some concerns regarding Cocona's willingness to accept the fact that people change. However,
>they were totally different personalities
this is something she was acutely aware of in the case of Papika.

At the start of the episode she is worried about Iroha being changed by her actions in PI/DPI. The difference is Cocona barely knows Iroha at all. She hasn't had a chance to talk to her much, before or after her memory diving in episode 6. The many Papikas showed her that just throwing away some paintings and deciding she can use nail polish doesn't mean Iroha's personality has changed very much. Certainly not to the degree that the pseudo-Papikas were different from real Papika.

>>149872674
Left one is "sewage", right is the name of the depicted tree.

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>>149871058
>>149871398
This is one of the most obvious interpretations that we guessed at even with just the preview images to go by. My problem with it is that it's mutually exclusive with the idea of accepting changes in personality that anons have been discussing in previous threads.

If Cocona only wants "her" Papika, then what will she do when Papika regains her memories and becomes the Papika we see in the flashback?

Some anons have complained that Papika herself is an archetype, close enough to a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, and it's true that she has been all about the Cocona (and shards) so far and her own goals, if they exist, have been mostly hidden from us. So while the Papika we know is not as superficial as the other Papi's she still shares some characteristics with them, including the part where she fulfills some of Cocona's needs. That might change soon if she regains her memories and lost motivation.

The other question that anon does not address is: why was Cocona still "lost" after she rejected all the Papis.

>>149872583
I think clinging to articles of the past is part of Cocona's pathology and that was why she overreacted to Iroha throwing out the old paintings.

Still, one doesn't typically throw out completed paintings for any reason. There SHOULD be some degree of attachment to them. This makes that scene feel weird. I'm not totally on board with the idea that we should see Iroha wanting to dispose of her paintings as a positive thing, or that Cocona seeing it as negative is necessarily unique to her.

I feel sort of resistant to the idea that "change is good" was one of this episode's theme, or that Cocona was growing to accept change just because I don't really feel like the change enacted in Iroha was something that Cocona would be wrong to feel uncomfortable about, or that there's growth to be found in coming to terms with it.

Change is one thing, but when a change provokes a complete and total disavowal of who you were previously and an abandonment of all you once held dear and poured your heart and soul into producing, the feeling that something isn't quite right is kinda unavoidable

>>149872826
Because Cocona doesn't like boys.

>>149872809
Senpai's lifelong passion being destroyed in an instant was pretty bad.

>>149872322
PreCure

>>149872879
I think the point is that if it was unequivocally good or bad, it wouldn't be a very interesting topic to ponder.

>>149872867
>Papika regains her memories and becomes the Papika we see in the flashback

Those aren't confirmed to be her memories. Papika and Cocona both experienced Iroha's memories remember.

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>>149870645

>>149870374
Are we rolling?

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>>149872255
>You're ignoring the lines she said after that.
>lines
I only see one line where she says his place is fun.

>>149872867
Papi kept asking if she was not good enough. Wonder if she somehow was in control of what Papika was perceived by Cocona until she chose her favorite.

>>149873005
No

>>149869801
You should go and get rich now that you figured out the magic formula to free money, anon.
They could use smart people like you.

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>>149872879
>Iroha wanting to dispose of her paintings as a positive thing

Maybe she sees those paintings in a different light now due to her change of heart about how she felt about the old lady. Part of her life when she was still hung up on the past that don't represent her art but the art of someone else stuck in that mode of guilty thought.

I don't think its all that odd, you read about crazy artists destroying their own works or novelists writing entire manuscripts and trashing the,.

>>149873011
I mean in the same webm:
>why would you ask that
>I mean, love is...
Which means she's seriously thinking about what she feels, but she hasn't decided yet.

>>149872583
The Papikas are Cocona's interpretation of her personality. Each pseudo-Papika was an archetype. The real Papika is comprised of bits and pieces of all those archetypes and Cocona was going through them one at a time, ultimately realizing that it's the collection of those pieces that make Papika fun to be around, not just one specific trait/archetype.

>>149872879
I'm not sure if it was trying to say "Change is good" so much as "Change isn't bad"

I think perhaps Succubus Papika saying that she'd still love her is a key to that. Cocona is afraid that as she ages she is going to change too. She's afraid that what she feels for Papika, whatever that is, is a transient thing that will fade with time or it's just a phase. I think what she learned here is that yes, people change, but no, it isn't always a bad thing. Changes just represent parts of a whole. As such we saw all these altered Papikas who really were just pieces of the complete picture. I think Cocona also saw that despite everything Papika is the one she loves and even though the alternates looked like here, they weren't her, maybe proving to herself that her feelings are more than just temporary things.

>>149872879
It’s weird in both way though. Senpai is clearly shown to be much happier now. Reversing that completely now would be extremely jarring, not to mention the whole “we’ve been removing people’s memories for 6 episodes” thing that would have to follow. And the nails aren’t her ignoring her past, they’re very clearly her coming to terms with it.

Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

>>149872945
More the issue is that if it's not unequivocally good, then the character coming to accept it also isn't unequivocally good. Rather, it's hard to see it as a character growth when they don't necessarily grow, and just seemingly put up their arms and go "c'est la vie" over the profoundly troubling yet unintended consequence of their own action.

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I wonder if this Thomasson exists in real life (in Motomiya)? Seems like it would.

>>149873119
They only change peoples feelings about memories when they go into the second level of pure illusion.

>>149873170
That's not a Thomasson, that's an observation spot.

>>149873170
Is that a Thomasson? It just looks like one of those viewing decks you go up to in order to get a better look at the landmark.

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>their love is stronger than any feelings of sexual desire
>their love is because of each other regardless of circumstance or form

The best kind of love. This show was made for me.

>>149873170

>Papika you jerk

Man, this is too close to my romance mangas, yuri or otherwise.

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Well?

>>149873170
Are those stairs to a bridge that no longer exists/wasn't made or is it just an intentional viewing platform?

>>149873185
Narratively it would make more sense for the fragment stealing to have a worse effect than deep PI diving.

>>149873203
it's almost like the whole episode was one of those, don't you think

>>149872826
Through the series we've seen Cocona flustered over normal/fairy Papika, Sayuri and plan loli. Not a surprise. She's gonna give grandma a heart attack one of these days.

>>149873195
Now that people know the word, even a broken street lamp will be called a Thomasson.

>>149872359
The poster on the wall is just a normal class schedule. The book is blurry, but probably something also normal.

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Cocona's hair is fluffy as fuck

>>149872879
>I feel sort of resistant to the idea that "change is good" was one of this episode's theme
Well, that's because that would be totally wrong. Change can be good or bad. I think the argument is that Cocona was resistant to change without finding out whether it was overall a good or bad thing.

Completely agree on the cause and effects of Iroha's change being pretty creepy though.

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>>149872583
All I want is a scene like this in passing again.

I'd prefer for Cocona's worries to be unfounded but that would also be undermining the notion that those past traumas are what make us who we are. The entire situation with deep PI and Iroha's change is unsettling, mostly because we're basing our reactions on how Cocona perceives it.

>>149869807
Anime doesn't have manga demographics

>>149873205
As a friend.

>>149872809
Iroha poured countless amount of time and effort into a lifelong passion only to suddenly turn tail and toss it all into the incinerator. She's happy now, but she was also happy before. Rather than gaining anything, it just seems like she lost one of the things that made her who she was, and a fundamental source of value for herself in the world.

Take away an artist's art and what are you left with? The tragedy in this case is that Iroha doesn't even seem fully aware of what was taken from her

>>149872981
That was in DPI though, this was a completely different situation.

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>>149873170
37.507390, 140.401511

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Cocona is so pretty.

>>149873290
Not a definitive answer.

>>149873218
There is no evidence for that in the show at all. Hidaka only mentions with specificity to the deeper level of PI that it can have an affect on the real world implying by omission that the regular level cannot in a direct way.

>>149873283
I’ll believe that when she says she doesn’t remember her aunt.

>>149873205
The framing of these shots implied that that's only half a Papika, which is of course the whole episode.
However it also implies we're only seeing half a Cocona there, and most importantly that Papika and Cocona are two opposite halves of the same thing.

>>149873311
We don't actually know where they were in that segment of the show. They blasted off in a rocket in a collapsing PI, where they ended up as the result of that we do not know at all.

>>149873327
Hidaka primarily says a whole lot of fucking nothing.

>>149871802
>consensus
Make up your own mind, faggot.

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>>149870903
But I have seen Cocoa.

>>149873359
I think it was just meant to convey the intimacy by giving us a girls eye view.

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>>149873359
>Papika and Cocona are two opposite halves of the same thing.
Please god, let them not take this to its literal conclusion.

Salt is Papika's father or something?

>>149869351
Spooky Papika was best, closely followed by semon demon Papika.

Shit episode. Everything was going so well too. Cancelled my pre-order.

>>149873327
What Salt says later implies that Deep PI and real world are closely related, and "regular" PIs are a friction layer in between.

It just occurred to me:
Cocona looked all around the city for Papika, but why did she never check the pipe? That was the place where they first met, where they first entered PI and where they first slept together as friends.

It's an important landmark in their friendship, and Papika almost certainly went there first since she turned it into a rocketship in the time that Cocona spent in that PI. Why did it never cross Cocona's mind to look there, in the most blatantly obvious spot?

Or did it cross her mind? Did she perhaps know all along exactly where to look in order to find Papika, and deliberately avoid it?

Maybe this whole episode wasn't about Cocona searching for Papika, but running from her?

>>149873377
Sure but the fact that he specifies that deeper level of PI they just discovered can have ripple effects on the real world implies quite heavily that the regular PI cannot have direct effects of the same kind otherwise that wouldn't be a novel observation to make.

>>149872826
That is for the yet to be unlocked Trapika, not Papiboys.

>>149873418
Can you stop fucking samefagging? Jesus

>>149873409
It was implied last episode too with them both being two aspects of Iro. The idea of them being two corresponding pieces is a pretty central theme

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>>149873418
Its been the same shit since the other episodes, why didn't you cancel weeks ago?

>>149873409
Doesn't have to mean literally same person, can also mean "made for each other".

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>>149873318
What exactly is it though

>>149873185
You have no basis for that claim.

>>149873409
It won't. I hope

>>149873377
Hidaka pretty much only confirmed a couple of facts that were already obvious from the previous visual storytelling. The few anons complaining about the start of the episode being an infodump were overreacting.

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BIG CITY TIME
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

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I want the old Iroha back.

>>149873466
The little infodump today.

>>149873409
>Papika + Cocona are Salt / Mimi's child
>PI shenanigans split them apart

>>149870803
that must feel bad.
Spending all that time editing a picture to have those fonts and getting no (you)s

this isnt a onepunch man thread. Learn the flow of the thread.

>>149873318
Nice. I was clicking around Street View earlier but I didn't go far enough south.

>>149872614
Yeah, it was quite painful to watch, since you could really feel that there was a great show hiding behind all that silly melodrama.

>>149873283
But really, her means of handling of her problems where fine and not harmful. It gave her a passion and she made good use of it. It seems that her sudden change is a warning about trying to do good when messing with personality's.

>>149873421
Do you think "liberate Pure Illusion" means to destroy that friction layer by literally collecting every single fragment allowing the deeper level and reality to interact directly or something?

>>149873488
This. It wasn't universe exposition at all, it was just establishing that Hidaka doesn't know any more than we do either.

>>149872879
If anything this ep says "change is bad" in typical jap fashion. A latter episode will say "accept it anyway", probably reserved for the end, again in typical jap fashion.

>>149873491
>cool tron world
>characters are wearing school swimsuits
sasuga

>>149873466
It was literally stated today that they are able to influence reality in the deeper PI implying they aren't able to in the normal PI. The show wouldn't have made such a huge deal out of it now only after they discovered deep PI if they were doing it the whole time before.

>>149873505
It got its yous in the original thread it was posted, this is the 4th thread today.

>>149873453
Papika feets look mouth-watering stinky.

>>149873569
Papika takes many baths with Cocona. Papika's feet are clean!

>>149873522
That's an interesting point, because it could also mean that Salt isn't interesting in possessing all the fragments, he just wants them out of PI and doesn't care who ends up with them.

>>149873493
>mellow and contented artist that's candid and self-aware. Goes at her own pace and is perfectly fine with being alone but also appreciates some company. Calm, patient and understanding
>Obnoxious loudmouth genki girl that responds only in clipped, rude part-sentences, hides her thoughts and feelings behind ambiguity and poor communication and has no hobbies or interests behind hanging out with friends in vacuous teenage social circles every second of every minute of every day
They literally ruined sempai. She went from being a genuine person to being yet another thoughtless teenager stamped from the mould.

Oh god, it's puberty, isn't it?

>>149873442
That was my first post though retard.

>>149872583
>All these Papikas probably are pure components of the real one though
You might be onto something. Cocona sees one aspect of the senpai(pre ep6) then sees another one (post ep6) and it terrifies her. In this episode Cocona meets every Papika's "component" but only the whole real Papika feels right for her. Now Cocona just needs to find the real senpai. And then probably the real herself.

>>149873606
He did tell Cocona last episode that she had to keep collecting the fragments until they had all of them maybe he really meant that.

>>149873401
Nah the whole episode had mirror/pair stuff

>>149873616
This sound like the reverse.

>>149873560
No, it just means that they weren't aware of any way that regular PIs could change reality. They could still change reality in some unnoticed way, or could require doing more in them to show a change.

My thoughts about what happened in the first episode.
>Flip flappers doesn't have a second person to enter PI
>Papika is send to the KKK to infiltrate and convert a other candidate
>She is busted and knocks out a her would be convert / She tries the enter the IP with her and she dies, gets busted
>Escapes from the KKK facility. and decides to look on foot for a candidate.

>>149873365
Salt can't access PI, and the surrounding area was normal except for that one patch, presumably due to what happened there with Mimi. They were back in the real world.

Is there a webm of the scene where Papia disappears and makes that weird noise

>>149873642
>>149873606
Well not specifically until they had all of them as in Flip Flap but that all of the fragments needed to be collected.

>>149873621
No it wasn't, it would have shown you as a new IP.

Stop being dumb.

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This foreshadowing was very obvious.

>>149873667
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>149873667
Except the "bust" is wearing the same uniform as Papika

Also Flip Flap knew Buu, and he was also part of the group attempting to capture Papika as she fled. He's following pink-guy's orders later in the episode, which is literally the same day.

>>149873454
this

when will the spandex twins finally learn to HENSHIN?

>>149873688
That was literally my first post in this thread you moron. I don't know what's wrong with you.

>>149873657
They have destroyed regular PI every week by removing the fragments, if that isn't going to have an effect what do you think would? If it did have an effect it would have shown it. If it did have an affect they wouldn't have implied it was novel for deep PI to have an effect. If it did have an effect they wouldn't have made a big narrative deal out of deep PI having an effect. Sorry everything points to regular PI being non-effective on reality in the direct sense. Broken glasses are still broken glasses and injuries are injuries but having the kind of ripple effect we saw today seems to be reserved for if they go through the black door only.

>>149873670
>Salt can't access PI
*Salt can't access PI anymore
FTFY

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Each PI has been more and more mundane since the beginning of the show. The KKK are conquering and destroying them, assimilating them with the base universe. Soon everyone and everything will be as clean and passionless as the blue twins

>>149873616
You're reaching here. Iroha has had very little screen time and very little dialogue. What we do know is that she has been struggling with a chilhood trauma so some mood/attitude changes are not unexpected at all, especially for a teenager. I bet she is having the same problem Cocona has with choosing a high school.

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>>149873671
Which one is Papia?

>>149873670
But if they ended up in a deep PI those could just be salts memories of the real world.

>>149873671
I think someone made it.
Is it this one?
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1479410812205.webm

>>149873497
>>149873560
Anon's claim was that they could only effect feelings, not memories. That part was never clarified, so the claim is baseless and we still do not know if Iroha thinks she gave her name to Auntie or just feels better about failing to do so.

>>149873491
Now we really have become Hot Wheels Accelechargers.

>KKK treats Yayaka as nigger
Pottery

>>149873741
>They have destroyed regular PI every week

No. We saw the school falling apart in episode 5, and it wasn't clear whether the school is just an entity inside the PI. Now in 7 we saw the hole open after Yayaka removes the fragment, but if you watch the episode closely it looks like a lot of time has passed until that happens, and it's also quite possible that it happens because Cocona has given up on looking for Papika.

We don't know anything about what happens to every other PI after they leave.

>>149873723
She infiltrated and received the same uniform by the KKK.
Buu has hacked by Papika she seems to able to from ep 5.

>>149873670
Doesn't to have to be the same Salt from the real world

>>149873770
The one with a face

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F

>>149873671
There is this looped one >>149871199
Which one do you want exactly?
>>149873770
The one you just posted.

>>149873807
Should have been clearer about what you were suggesting. I just go with feelings because it is the more conservative approach.

>>149873860
They'll get it back, I'm sure.

>>149873748
>Each PI has been more and more mundane since the beginning of the show
No

>>149873770
With sound please

>>149873860
RIP flying surfboard.

If the house can act like a spaceship in the real world, then it's not as bad a trade off but I think that's a pipe dream.

>>149873644
Post it.

>>149873748
Explain how winter wonderland is less mundane than yuri road.

>>149873644
I didn't really catch much of that. Can you show what you're talking about?

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>>149873948
>>149873931

>>149873920
shut up, /soc/wannabe, pothead tripfag

>>149873498
No. Mimi is Papika+Cocona, Yayaka is their child.

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>>149873937
Both were fantastic worlds, but the inhabitants of Winter Wonderland were gigantic fucking worms and entirely animalistic, while Yuri roads featured humanoid beings who spoke and had real-world sort of conflicts and desires.

I feel the staff has to know making an anime about the relationship of two main characters in a borderline romantic style requires a stronger ending than friendship or two halves of a whole.

I expect tragedy.

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>>149869761
>people getting bothered by fanservice
>on fucking /a/

>>149873990
Some of those are a bit of a stretch but I'll give it to you that there's definitely a mirror motif going on here.

I'm going to have to rewatch the episode and look for more. I suppose it's playing into the fact that that Cocona spent this episode in reflection over the issue with Iroha and PI, and the fake Papikas were sort of a projection of that inner tension.

>>149874016
Don't forget the semen demon bdsm plant

>>149874055
Still humanoid, speaking a human language with human motivations

>>149873843
Nah you're right it isn't entirely clear that they do always collapse after the fragment is collected and removed but it seems the 5 and 7 suggest that. Even so the rest of the points still stand. They have been shown to destroy PI with nothing happening in the real world and all the rest of that post still stands from then on. The only time we have been made aware of an influence on real life is through deep pi and it has been made a specific plot point in the show that deep pi lets them affect reality suggesting they weren't able to before. It is kind of pointless to draw attention to something and point it out if it was always the case.

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>>149873318
Tohoku Main Line

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>>149873990

I can buy it. Mirrors and reflections are very common in this show so it's probably a common theme.

>>149873795
There was that cut of Yayaka at the KKK base between the pipe rocket and Cocopaps waking up at the lakeside. We never see the real world while they are in a PI, so that scene is meant to tell us they are back home. Note it's also the same time of day.

>>149874114
>anime is bright and vibrant, full of lovely shades of green
>real world is brown and dull
Where's the noose? I'm gonna cross over. Let me out of here

>>149872322
Is this a Daicon IV reference?

>>149873536
>If anything this ep says "change is bad" in typical jap fashion.
This episode says "see the whole picture". Cocona doesn't really like the fragmented Papikas but she loves the sum of them, the real Papika. It's the same with the senpai, Cocona doesn't like the new side of her.

>>149874161
Daicon IV is itself just a bunch of references so it's hard to say.

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So what's the deal with Yayacuck? There's been like zero hints about her past or reasons to work for the KKK.

>>149874023
The director is a huge yurifag.

He wouldn't pass up this opportunity, w-would he?

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>>149874142
Wait, I am pretty sure you are right now. There is all the black shit when they appear there and Buu-chan always makes that ooze out when he goes between dimensions for them.

>>149874161
Electric Light Orchestra songs for an episode of Flip Flappers would be nice.

>>149872322
So did Cocona come to terms with change in the end?

The ending certainly makes it seem otherwise. rather than finding some sort of solution or rationalization to accept the uncomfortable and unpredictably ephemeral world around her, she just ran back into the arms of her playmate and continued to have juvenile adventures of escapism.

>>149871058
This is completely wrong. Or at least, I interpreted it differently.

This episode was a character analysis of Cocona. It reminded me of the internal monologues of EVA, but more subtle. I'm actually certain that this was "Cocona's PI," even though we've been guessing for weeks which one is hers. Episode 3 establishes that Cocona is empty, and this episode demonstrated her world. Empty and devoid of life. You see this fact emphasized when Cocona goes about her daily life like normal, as if nothing has changed. Why? Because she's used to it.

Even Uexkill wasn't there, which means Cocona lied and doesn't treasure anything. The only living thing there was the fake Papikas, so does that mean the only thing Cocona treasures is Papika? I think that you're only led to believe that; in reality, Papika wasn't there in Cocona's world at all. They got separated in the very beginning because they weren't in sync, those fake Papikas were part of the PI. I think that the fake Papikas were actually sections of Cocona's psyche. The delinquent was Cocona's rebellious side, as in playing hooky and hanging out with Yayaka. The hikki Papika was Cocona's reclusiveness and loneliness; ojou Papika was Cocona's dignified side. The purpose of this episode was to show a bunch of different sides of Cocona we didn't see before. In fact, if its revealed later that Cocona actually had a big sibling (representing her imouto self) it would prove my theory. Even the succubus Papika was just a manifestation of Cocona's sexuality.

>>149874231
The show isn't over yet and Cocona's indicisiveness is a main theme throughout, so that's not getting resolved until the end. But if you definitely want a resolution to Cocona's dilemma in this episode, it's that she stops chasing the aspects of Papika and then the real one finds HER.

>>149874258
I was buying it in the first paragraph but it loses me on the second paragraph. Overall I prefer the first guys.