Posting best Papika.
It's safe to say this is foreshadowing of some kind, right? Either of them is going to change once they find stuff out about themselves/Pure Illusion and their bond will be put to test.
Oh hey, the teeth thing is back!
I'm starting to think it symbolises Mimi's womb or something.
This is the first time where I think the story would've been better if it had taken place in a dream. This most recent PI felt like it wasn't fantastic or removed enough to warrant taking place in another dimension, and so long as we're exploring Cocona's relationship with Papika it may as well have been in her own head anyway.
>that slack sitting posture
Why do they bully Yayaka? I don't want to see her suffer.
Garbage show. It has all the cardinal sins of one.
>style over substance
>references over story
>yuribait that is not love and will lead nowhere (straight girl is being baited)
>uninteresting, bland characters with no depth
>episode after episode of pretentious imagery meaning nothing
>literally no plot
Looks like the twins are bullying Yayaka too.
I think it was plenty mystical and it was interacting with Cocona in an attempt to stop her from getting the amorphous. I was thinking that she could have been stuck in a time loop or something along those lines had she just continually spent her time with the "Papika"s. While it was a fairly basic concept, the PI in this episode (and then it of detail they gave us on PI in general) really opens up a lot of possibility for what they can do with it in future episodes.
Bu's eye here wasn't subtitled.
Which moonrune is this supposed to be?
Didn't the director cite this was his favorite episode somewhere on his twitter?
This. I personally hyped it to insane levels, but really after seeing the PV and knowing they only have twenty minutes, it should've been obvious that they couldn't do much more with the Papikas other than show them.
Jesus Christ, this is straight out an Asanagi H-doujin
why does Cocona have a world tree in her mind?
Got your back anon.
Don't have it but here's a flip flap version
If the sexytime Papika was a creation of PI and Cocona's imagination then doesn't that mean she was a way of Cocona releasing her internal questions about the nature of their 'love' and possible sexual desires? She seemed to understand that these weren't the real Papika and so not her friend. I mean what that Papika was saying might have been questions from Cocona's own mind.
She wanted to kiss a boy but refused sex with a girl.
Their bodies constantly appear off model. Everything about this anime is bad aside from fucking over /u/, but all anime does that.
This is true. The idea was novel last week when we saw like 4 out of the 8 Papis in the preview, but by now it wasn't quite as quirky anymore.
I think another part of the problem was simply that the pacing of this episode was too fast. We barely got any time with each Papi before moving on to the next one. In most cases we barely got through an introduction and then the scene cut. I think the only one that ended up getting a decent exchange of dialogue was the slut Papi. The whole gimmick behind the episode just flew by too quickly and wasn't utilized to its full effect.
I didn't dislike the episode, but it was a lot less entertaining that the premise would have led me to believe. A couple other episodes, most notably episode 3, have felt like the pacing was just a little too fast, and just a little bit too much happened in the 24 minute runtime to really fully enjoy all of it.
WHAT THE FUCK
So it looks like Papika escaped KKK headquarters in ep 1.
That means Bu must have been KKK and they rewired him at Flip Flap, but he could still be acting for the prior. Maybe he's the reason Yaya and the twins are so good at crashing the party.
Anyone have what this was referring to?
>Someone repost that thing about them having kids in the illusion
I feel like all of the Papikas were manifestations of possible relationships, and Cocona went through 1 by 1 turning them down because what she really wanted was what she already had with Papika. She didn't want a sexual relationship, didn't want to be swept away by a bad boy, or swooned by a prettyboy. She didn't want a friend who she could blow off steam with at the arcade, or gloomy friend she could do dorky stuff with, or an imouto who would make her meals and wash her back and want only for her love. She rejected each and all of it in turn because what she wanted was Papika.
All of the others looked like Papika but weren't. That was important. Despite looking like her physically, they were totally different personalities, and the authentic Papika personality is what she was searching for. Part of the point was that she wasn't looking for a superficial relationship. She didn't want someone that looked like Papika, and didn't want someone that just helped her meet one of her physical or emotional needs, like the boys being male company, or the slut being sexual gratification, or the imouto being a servile little teddybear. Her relationship to Papika goes beyond that, and the motions of this episode helped Cocona to realize that.
It's probably referring to the ideas a few anons have been posting in previous threads. Basically Papika and Cocona are married with children in a Pure Illusion and they don't want it to end because it would mean their happy life there ends along with it.
I think it's been a recurring problem all season and is likely just a consequence of the director having big ideas and lots of resources to play with. They seem to always try to fit just a little too much into each episode and the result is that slight feeling of things being too densely packed together, and moving along too quickly.
That said, I felt like it worked well for the timeloop episode because that feeling goes along well with the monotonous repetition of being trapped in a looping cycle of menial activities.
I want an imouto like Papino
There's 5 trees in that image, anon.
It was just a clever bit of juxtaposition. The wind picks up and the shot cuts to that as the sound of leaves rustling plays. The particularly detailed brown (so dried) leaves in the midsection of the tree accompany the sound of dry leaves rustling in the wind. It's a neat way of giving the viewer an accompanying visualization of the sound without actually animating rustling trees.
So i think i got this...
>Mimi is Salts wife that somehow created PI
>by "liberate" salt ment getting her back to as human
>KKK knows about the danger that can be caused by fucking up PI want's to rule it to make sure it's save
>YYK will probably change sides soon
>Love triangle fucks up twins and maybe some KK leader and get all fragments
>Mimi is complete and does some fucked up shit with PI and the real world
In fact, this shot might be deliberately confusing. In episode 1, Asclepius HQ was shown before a scene with Salt. Now, FF HQ is shown before the scene with KKK. Also there's a possibility that FF and Asc are located in the same block of buildings but are not aware of each other.
Alternatively, the idea of the tracking chip on Cocona would also make a lot of sense. Aside from the twins, Papika and Cocona are able to enter Pure Illusion. It would explain why they let them go at the end of the first episode. Obtaining the amorphous is going to go a lot quicker if Yayaka tails those two and swipes it, like she attempted in the previous episode.
>Papika and Cocona are married with children
This is a sex free house Cocona, and by God it will be for the rest of my life.
They've been to FF HQ before. It's definitely in the town.
We just assumed up until now that the scene from episode 1 was just a secondary Flip Flap building up in the mountains, but this makes it clear that she was fleeing from the KKK in that episode.
My pet theory remains that KKK and Flip Flap are the same organization and that Cocona is just being played.
Well there was also the overarching theme about what it means when people change, and especially if it's because of you.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that this is all because Cocona doesn't like what happened with Iroha.
Cutting it real close.
Is this supposed to be an AA2 reference?
Aside from it being perfectly possible to acknowledge someone as pretty without being sexually attracted, she doesn't even say (a) (pretty) (boy). She says "ikemen", so she measn (a) (pretty boy), she's just describing the archetype.
Also, stop baiting poorly.
She blushed because she got an indirect kiss from boy Papika. She's straight, fuck off yurifags.
>tfw they were collecting the parts of krauser-sama so his new album finally destroys the world
What did she mean by this?
Wake up and see this
What do you do?
the final boss was a succubus, mate
Papi's sense of smell is dog tier. Cocona needs to be extra careful about her body odors around her. Wonder if she can detect the monthly visitor or cancer.
>This place is fun
Did they fuck?
Some will tell you it's garbage, some will tell you it's good but not up to par with other episodes, and some will tell you that it's great.
This basically sums up what I took from the episode and while it definitely wasn't very exciting, it had a purpose and was still very enjoyable.
Yayaka BTFO. Literally useless.
It makes a lot of sense to me given we were told Yayaka can't go open pure illusion herself in this episode and it explains why they let Cocona go back to Flip Flap so they would carry on opening up Pure Illusions so the KKK squad could swoop in and take fragments without always relying on the twins to be able to access Pure Illusion.
Yeah we didn't find out where Yayaka got it from, I think it just served as a purpose to force Cocona out of the Pure Illusion and to allow Papika to save her. It would have been interesting to see what happened if Papika didn't save her, where Cocona ended up though.
She was the one who retrieved all the Amorphous though. I'd be pissed too. This is some fucking nepotism right there.
I think this was the weakest episode so far.
It showed nothing we already didn't know, there was barely any fun with the Papikas, and the only plot-relevant happening could be resumed to the last 30 seconds. Next episode looks really cool, so that's a plus.
It seems in the end they fell into the "PI limbo", since the previous PI ended without they safely exiting it. Makes sense once you consider that Salt Mk.2 is also there.
What was the message this episode tried to tell? Cocona still thinks PIs are dangerous so nothing was solved.
>Blatant product placement
Which she friendzoned.
Maybe Toto and Yuyu are an example of what happens when impedance reaches absolute 0. Perhaps Cocona and Papika could end up the same way if they reach a certain level of synchronization? This might not be possible for humans though.
If we entertain the idea that the twins are actually cyborgs/robots, then reaching absolute zero impedance could be much easier for them. But because they aren't human, they are incapable of transforming like Cocona and Papika can.
This episode was super fucking relevant to Cocona's relationship with Papika. It's weak if you just want wacky PI adventures or twisterooni x-files plotlines, but as far as character development goes, it was the strongest episode since 4.
Anyone else didn't notice this was the pipe when watching the episode? I thought it's just some random FlipFlap-made vehicle.
Their headgear says P and C respectively. Pretty cute.
Can anyone read what the book or the poster on the wall says?
Prostitute Papika wears school uniform. Literally enjo kosai.
>What was the message this episode tried to tell?
There you go.
It's not really clear where they ended up or how though I don't think besides flying the pipe form the school into the sky.
I think the shot composition of this episode was some of the strongest in series so far too. Lots of interesting shots.
This guy deserves a collage of his own.
I wonder if his speech actually made sense.
I guess I know where I should go next time I visit Japan. I would have 2/2 for Studio 3hz original anime pilgrimages.
All these Papikas probably are pure components of the real one though, and the theme of questioning change is ever present in the series. Cocona is afraid of change, she can’t even decide what school she wants to go to and she immediately assumes Senpai being different now is a terrible thing, when she’s evidently much happier now.
In fact I don’t even think Senpai gave up on painting, I think she’s making room for new paintings. She mentioned she’s bad at getting work done both with good and bad weather, meaning it’s an issue inherent to her. And remember that this is japan, not getting work done is terrible.
Adopt and spoil Papino
Tenderly seduce Papia and then deny her gratification
Have Papiyo peg Papito
Let Papiwo and Papiya double-team Papiko
Lock Papina in chastity and make her watch all of the above.
It's pretty interesting that the pure illusion changed from the relative weird, european-style "real" world of flip flappers to generic japanese small town with shrines, konbinis, love hotels and canals over time.
>because what she really wanted was what she already had with Papika
This might raise some concerns regarding Cocona's willingness to accept the fact that people change. However,
>they were totally different personalities
this is something she was acutely aware of in the case of Papika.
At the start of the episode she is worried about Iroha being changed by her actions in PI/DPI. The difference is Cocona barely knows Iroha at all. She hasn't had a chance to talk to her much, before or after her memory diving in episode 6. The many Papikas showed her that just throwing away some paintings and deciding she can use nail polish doesn't mean Iroha's personality has changed very much. Certainly not to the degree that the pseudo-Papikas were different from real Papika.
This is one of the most obvious interpretations that we guessed at even with just the preview images to go by. My problem with it is that it's mutually exclusive with the idea of accepting changes in personality that anons have been discussing in previous threads.
If Cocona only wants "her" Papika, then what will she do when Papika regains her memories and becomes the Papika we see in the flashback?
Some anons have complained that Papika herself is an archetype, close enough to a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, and it's true that she has been all about the Cocona (and shards) so far and her own goals, if they exist, have been mostly hidden from us. So while the Papika we know is not as superficial as the other Papi's she still shares some characteristics with them, including the part where she fulfills some of Cocona's needs. That might change soon if she regains her memories and lost motivation.
The other question that anon does not address is: why was Cocona still "lost" after she rejected all the Papis.
I think clinging to articles of the past is part of Cocona's pathology and that was why she overreacted to Iroha throwing out the old paintings.
Still, one doesn't typically throw out completed paintings for any reason. There SHOULD be some degree of attachment to them. This makes that scene feel weird. I'm not totally on board with the idea that we should see Iroha wanting to dispose of her paintings as a positive thing, or that Cocona seeing it as negative is necessarily unique to her.
I feel sort of resistant to the idea that "change is good" was one of this episode's theme, or that Cocona was growing to accept change just because I don't really feel like the change enacted in Iroha was something that Cocona would be wrong to feel uncomfortable about, or that there's growth to be found in coming to terms with it.
Change is one thing, but when a change provokes a complete and total disavowal of who you were previously and an abandonment of all you once held dear and poured your heart and soul into producing, the feeling that something isn't quite right is kinda unavoidable
>Papika regains her memories and becomes the Papika we see in the flashback
Those aren't confirmed to be her memories. Papika and Cocona both experienced Iroha's memories remember.
>You're ignoring the lines she said after that.
I only see one line where she says his place is fun.
>Iroha wanting to dispose of her paintings as a positive thing
Maybe she sees those paintings in a different light now due to her change of heart about how she felt about the old lady. Part of her life when she was still hung up on the past that don't represent her art but the art of someone else stuck in that mode of guilty thought.
I don't think its all that odd, you read about crazy artists destroying their own works or novelists writing entire manuscripts and trashing the,.
The Papikas are Cocona's interpretation of her personality. Each pseudo-Papika was an archetype. The real Papika is comprised of bits and pieces of all those archetypes and Cocona was going through them one at a time, ultimately realizing that it's the collection of those pieces that make Papika fun to be around, not just one specific trait/archetype.
I'm not sure if it was trying to say "Change is good" so much as "Change isn't bad"
I think perhaps Succubus Papika saying that she'd still love her is a key to that. Cocona is afraid that as she ages she is going to change too. She's afraid that what she feels for Papika, whatever that is, is a transient thing that will fade with time or it's just a phase. I think what she learned here is that yes, people change, but no, it isn't always a bad thing. Changes just represent parts of a whole. As such we saw all these altered Papikas who really were just pieces of the complete picture. I think Cocona also saw that despite everything Papika is the one she loves and even though the alternates looked like here, they weren't her, maybe proving to herself that her feelings are more than just temporary things.
It’s weird in both way though. Senpai is clearly shown to be much happier now. Reversing that completely now would be extremely jarring, not to mention the whole “we’ve been removing people’s memories for 6 episodes” thing that would have to follow. And the nails aren’t her ignoring her past, they’re very clearly her coming to terms with it.
Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
More the issue is that if it's not unequivocally good, then the character coming to accept it also isn't unequivocally good. Rather, it's hard to see it as a character growth when they don't necessarily grow, and just seemingly put up their arms and go "c'est la vie" over the profoundly troubling yet unintended consequence of their own action.
I wonder if this Thomasson exists in real life (in Motomiya)? Seems like it would.
>their love is stronger than any feelings of sexual desire
>their love is because of each other regardless of circumstance or form
The best kind of love. This show was made for me.
Cocona's hair is fluffy as fuck
>I feel sort of resistant to the idea that "change is good" was one of this episode's theme
Well, that's because that would be totally wrong. Change can be good or bad. I think the argument is that Cocona was resistant to change without finding out whether it was overall a good or bad thing.
Completely agree on the cause and effects of Iroha's change being pretty creepy though.
All I want is a scene like this in passing again.
I'd prefer for Cocona's worries to be unfounded but that would also be undermining the notion that those past traumas are what make us who we are. The entire situation with deep PI and Iroha's change is unsettling, mostly because we're basing our reactions on how Cocona perceives it.
Iroha poured countless amount of time and effort into a lifelong passion only to suddenly turn tail and toss it all into the incinerator. She's happy now, but she was also happy before. Rather than gaining anything, it just seems like she lost one of the things that made her who she was, and a fundamental source of value for herself in the world.
Take away an artist's art and what are you left with? The tragedy in this case is that Iroha doesn't even seem fully aware of what was taken from her
Cocona is so pretty.
There is no evidence for that in the show at all. Hidaka only mentions with specificity to the deeper level of PI that it can have an affect on the real world implying by omission that the regular level cannot in a direct way.
The framing of these shots implied that that's only half a Papika, which is of course the whole episode.
However it also implies we're only seeing half a Cocona there, and most importantly that Papika and Cocona are two opposite halves of the same thing.
We don't actually know where they were in that segment of the show. They blasted off in a rocket in a collapsing PI, where they ended up as the result of that we do not know at all.
But I have seen Cocoa.
>Papika and Cocona are two opposite halves of the same thing.
Please god, let them not take this to its literal conclusion.
It just occurred to me:
Cocona looked all around the city for Papika, but why did she never check the pipe? That was the place where they first met, where they first entered PI and where they first slept together as friends.
It's an important landmark in their friendship, and Papika almost certainly went there first since she turned it into a rocketship in the time that Cocona spent in that PI. Why did it never cross Cocona's mind to look there, in the most blatantly obvious spot?
Or did it cross her mind? Did she perhaps know all along exactly where to look in order to find Papika, and deliberately avoid it?
Maybe this whole episode wasn't about Cocona searching for Papika, but running from her?
Sure but the fact that he specifies that deeper level of PI they just discovered can have ripple effects on the real world implies quite heavily that the regular PI cannot have direct effects of the same kind otherwise that wouldn't be a novel observation to make.
Its been the same shit since the other episodes, why didn't you cancel weeks ago?
Hidaka pretty much only confirmed a couple of facts that were already obvious from the previous visual storytelling. The few anons complaining about the start of the episode being an infodump were overreacting.
BIG CITY TIME
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
But really, her means of handling of her problems where fine and not harmful. It gave her a passion and she made good use of it. It seems that her sudden change is a warning about trying to do good when messing with personality's.
Do you think "liberate Pure Illusion" means to destroy that friction layer by literally collecting every single fragment allowing the deeper level and reality to interact directly or something?
It was literally stated today that they are able to influence reality in the deeper PI implying they aren't able to in the normal PI. The show wouldn't have made such a huge deal out of it now only after they discovered deep PI if they were doing it the whole time before.
That's an interesting point, because it could also mean that Salt isn't interesting in possessing all the fragments, he just wants them out of PI and doesn't care who ends up with them.
>mellow and contented artist that's candid and self-aware. Goes at her own pace and is perfectly fine with being alone but also appreciates some company. Calm, patient and understanding
>Obnoxious loudmouth genki girl that responds only in clipped, rude part-sentences, hides her thoughts and feelings behind ambiguity and poor communication and has no hobbies or interests behind hanging out with friends in vacuous teenage social circles every second of every minute of every day
They literally ruined sempai. She went from being a genuine person to being yet another thoughtless teenager stamped from the mould.
Oh god, it's puberty, isn't it?
>All these Papikas probably are pure components of the real one though
You might be onto something. Cocona sees one aspect of the senpai(pre ep6) then sees another one (post ep6) and it terrifies her. In this episode Cocona meets every Papika's "component" but only the whole real Papika feels right for her. Now Cocona just needs to find the real senpai. And then probably the real herself.
No, it just means that they weren't aware of any way that regular PIs could change reality. They could still change reality in some unnoticed way, or could require doing more in them to show a change.
My thoughts about what happened in the first episode.
>Flip flappers doesn't have a second person to enter PI
>Papika is send to the KKK to infiltrate and convert a other candidate
>She is busted and knocks out a her would be convert / She tries the enter the IP with her and she dies, gets busted
>Escapes from the KKK facility. and decides to look on foot for a candidate.
This foreshadowing was very obvious.
Except the "bust" is wearing the same uniform as Papika
Also Flip Flap knew Buu, and he was also part of the group attempting to capture Papika as she fled. He's following pink-guy's orders later in the episode, which is literally the same day.
They have destroyed regular PI every week by removing the fragments, if that isn't going to have an effect what do you think would? If it did have an effect it would have shown it. If it did have an affect they wouldn't have implied it was novel for deep PI to have an effect. If it did have an effect they wouldn't have made a big narrative deal out of deep PI having an effect. Sorry everything points to regular PI being non-effective on reality in the direct sense. Broken glasses are still broken glasses and injuries are injuries but having the kind of ripple effect we saw today seems to be reserved for if they go through the black door only.
Each PI has been more and more mundane since the beginning of the show. The KKK are conquering and destroying them, assimilating them with the base universe. Soon everyone and everything will be as clean and passionless as the blue twins
You're reaching here. Iroha has had very little screen time and very little dialogue. What we do know is that she has been struggling with a chilhood trauma so some mood/attitude changes are not unexpected at all, especially for a teenager. I bet she is having the same problem Cocona has with choosing a high school.
Anon's claim was that they could only effect feelings, not memories. That part was never clarified, so the claim is baseless and we still do not know if Iroha thinks she gave her name to Auntie or just feels better about failing to do so.
>They have destroyed regular PI every week
No. We saw the school falling apart in episode 5, and it wasn't clear whether the school is just an entity inside the PI. Now in 7 we saw the hole open after Yayaka removes the fragment, but if you watch the episode closely it looks like a lot of time has passed until that happens, and it's also quite possible that it happens because Cocona has given up on looking for Papika.
We don't know anything about what happens to every other PI after they leave.
RIP flying surfboard.
If the house can act like a spaceship in the real world, then it's not as bad a trade off but I think that's a
Both were fantastic worlds, but the inhabitants of Winter Wonderland were gigantic fucking worms and entirely animalistic, while Yuri roads featured humanoid beings who spoke and had real-world sort of conflicts and desires.
I feel the staff has to know making an anime about the relationship of two main characters in a borderline romantic style requires a stronger ending than friendship or two halves of a whole.
I expect tragedy.
>people getting bothered by fanservice
>on fucking /a/
Some of those are a bit of a stretch but I'll give it to you that there's definitely a mirror motif going on here.
I'm going to have to rewatch the episode and look for more. I suppose it's playing into the fact that that Cocona spent this episode in reflection over the issue with Iroha and PI, and the fake Papikas were sort of a projection of that inner tension.
Nah you're right it isn't entirely clear that they do always collapse after the fragment is collected and removed but it seems the 5 and 7 suggest that. Even so the rest of the points still stand. They have been shown to destroy PI with nothing happening in the real world and all the rest of that post still stands from then on. The only time we have been made aware of an influence on real life is through deep pi and it has been made a specific plot point in the show that deep pi lets them affect reality suggesting they weren't able to before. It is kind of pointless to draw attention to something and point it out if it was always the case.
Tohoku Main Line
I can buy it. Mirrors and reflections are very common in this show so it's probably a common theme.
There was that cut of Yayaka at the KKK base between the pipe rocket and Cocopaps waking up at the lakeside. We never see the real world while they are in a PI, so that scene is meant to tell us they are back home. Note it's also the same time of day.
>If anything this ep says "change is bad" in typical jap fashion.
This episode says "see the whole picture". Cocona doesn't really like the fragmented Papikas but she loves the sum of them, the real Papika. It's the same with the senpai, Cocona doesn't like the new side of her.
So what's the deal with Yayacuck? There's been like zero hints about her past or reasons to work for the KKK.
Wait, I am pretty sure you are right now. There is all the black shit when they appear there and Buu-chan always makes that ooze out when he goes between dimensions for them.
So did Cocona come to terms with change in the end?
The ending certainly makes it seem otherwise. rather than finding some sort of solution or rationalization to accept the uncomfortable and unpredictably ephemeral world around her, she just ran back into the arms of her playmate and continued to have juvenile adventures of escapism.
This is completely wrong. Or at least, I interpreted it differently.
This episode was a character analysis of Cocona. It reminded me of the internal monologues of EVA, but more subtle. I'm actually certain that this was "Cocona's PI," even though we've been guessing for weeks which one is hers. Episode 3 establishes that Cocona is empty, and this episode demonstrated her world. Empty and devoid of life. You see this fact emphasized when Cocona goes about her daily life like normal, as if nothing has changed. Why? Because she's used to it.
Even Uexkill wasn't there, which means Cocona lied and doesn't treasure anything. The only living thing there was the fake Papikas, so does that mean the only thing Cocona treasures is Papika? I think that you're only led to believe that; in reality, Papika wasn't there in Cocona's world at all. They got separated in the very beginning because they weren't in sync, those fake Papikas were part of the PI. I think that the fake Papikas were actually sections of Cocona's psyche. The delinquent was Cocona's rebellious side, as in playing hooky and hanging out with Yayaka. The hikki Papika was Cocona's reclusiveness and loneliness; ojou Papika was Cocona's dignified side. The purpose of this episode was to show a bunch of different sides of Cocona we didn't see before. In fact, if its revealed later that Cocona actually had a big sibling (representing her imouto self) it would prove my theory. Even the succubus Papika was just a manifestation of Cocona's sexuality.
The show isn't over yet and Cocona's indicisiveness is a main theme throughout, so that's not getting resolved until the end. But if you definitely want a resolution to Cocona's dilemma in this episode, it's that she stops chasing the aspects of Papika and then the real one finds HER.
She's making the most of the present, anon. She isn't going to let her insecurity about her future dampen the fun times she has with Papika. When the fun times must end, I think she will be ready to accept it and move on, finding new fun times to be had in other ways.
Don't open it!
It's a nip thing to repeat the flubbed syllable when you flub something, because the flubbed syllable comes off as sounding like silly nonsense.
It's the equivalent to saying "whatchawho'sit" or "thingamajig" in english
This is not mutually exclusive. If the aspects of Papika come from Cocona's mind (I think the end makes it pretty clear that they're all imaginary, and not the actual Papika being broken up somehow), they would be heavily influenced by Cocona's own thinking, and people know themselves the best.
Just got caught up on this series. Can somebody write a summarized list of all the weird theories being discussed right now?
I think the important thing is that the hole that appears in the end of the episode would have led to an even deeper section of Cocona's PI. I can only assume it would have been disastrous if Cocona fell into her own tramautic past, which is why every character made a big deal about how dangerous they are.
I'm definitely not sure on the fake Papika's though, so you're right in that regard.
>would have led to an even deeper section of Cocona's PI
Is that what it was? Or was the PI falling apart like in episode 5 after they retrieved the amorphous? The hole only appeared after Yayaka and the twins left.
That's a tall order, anon. Browse the previous threads in the archive when there's some down time between episodes. There's still a lot people want to discuss about this episode specifically.
>Or was the PI falling apart like in episode 5 after they retrieved the amorphous
Didn't really look like that. In fact, what it most looked like was when Papika and Cocona got sucked up into the eclipse in episode 4.
So you're basically saying you're incompetent and don't know all he circulating theories. If I didn't just catch up now I would likely be able to list them all within a minute or two pretty easy. Congratulations.
The way the hole opens up is very similar to the way the hole opens in DPI in episode 6. The scenery in episode 5 was shattered and collapsing, not being sucked up like a vacuum.
I quit doing the pastebin thing since this show actually went into the direction of having a plot instead of being a loose series like FLCL.
Here's where I stopped: http://pastebin.com/5XjF1y9f
I added bits of whatever to 6 and 7.
I dunno why people would shit on you for MAL. It's an alright way to track your watched shows, and maybe your backlog if you don't want to open up notepad for some weird reason.
listening to opinions on there about what's good and not, that's where the fuck-ups happen.
I was obviously meaning all of the relevant ones but obviously you're no help. Thanks anyway.
He certainly doesn't give a shit that others are stealing the fragments does he? He just insist on trying again and again.
At this point I'm seeing "who gets to direct human instrumentation" all over again.
I still stand by this theory in light of episodes 6 and 7 (mostly because not much new has been introduced on Yayaka. I was hoping she would also get gender-bent this episode and enjoy it or something.)
The series is undoubtedly still on sexuality.
He really doesn't seem to no, even when they lose he doesn't blink an eye, I was never sure whether that was just him being stoic by nature and actually seething about it underneath though.
I believe I speak for everyone when I say imouto is the worst Papika
There was absolutely nothing Papika about any of them, anon.
They were Inner Cocona's wearing faux Papika skin. It's pretty standard subconscious symbolism in literature that a characters self visits them manifested as other people.
There is a screening event tommorow with Oshiyama taking part in a live commentary I think. Will be looking out to see if there is any news coming out with regards to the show after that.
still no reply from the director if the rule of rose vibe was intentional...
I bet no one is gonna attend hahaha
>Cocona is romantically interested in and wants to fuck Cocona
They were all very much Papika. They led her to do things she wouldn't normally do like sneak out of school or try on different outfits, they were all curious or mischievous or emotionally charged, and they all inspired affection or attraction in Cocona. They just weren't the whole package, as explained in >>149872583
I thought it was neat. Not as good as some of the other episodes, but not as bad as some people claim.
All I know is that it was easily one of my favorite episodes of anime ever only losing out to ep10 of Madoka.
But they were those facets perceived by Cocona specifically. She probably injected her own bias subconsciously which is part of the reason they never delivered the same feeling she gets from the real Papika.
There will always be inconsistencies when it comes to the perception of a person or even an object. Papika does not perceive Cocona the same way Cocona perceives herself. Cocona does not perceive Papika the same way Papika perceives herself. This is the root of all character conflicts. You can never truly understand the mind of another, yet you are an essential part of what makes that other person unique. They wouldn't be the same if you were not present to perceive/interact with them.
The girls pressing themselves against the windows was spooky as hell. Doubly so when Papika and Cocona were walking through the hallway and they're pressed up against the overhead.
>It's safe to say this is foreshadowing of some kind, right?
Oh that's what you took from all this? I took that line and all the different Papikas (Papiki?) as a way of getting it through to Cocona that Iro is still Iro and she shouldn't feel aprehensive about entering PI since even if people do change, the "core" of that person will still exist. Hence why Cocona could still be friends with the Papika horde despite them all acting different.
What is Masturbation?
Also they were in no way components of Papika. They didn't resemble her or even a part of her in any way, and together they didn't equal her either. What part of Papika speaks in a proper, carefully enunciated tone? What part of Papika dresses like a bancho and is ashamed to be helped by someone for fear of showing weakness?
The only way you could see them as being pieces of Papika is if you abstracted things down to the point where they could apply to anybody.
My interpretation was they're Cocona's perception of several facets that she sees in Papika, or the several roles she plays in their relationship.
So they weren't Papika, but what Cocona sees in Papika.