What made Trigun so good?

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>>149775814
We were kids.

Outside of that though its universal in its themes of Idealism vs Realism and the conflicts that arise between Vash and Knives throughout the show, even when they are children, are akin to all moral struggles that humanity has and will continue to face.

Outside of that for the time the animation was fun and stylistic. The music was pretty rocking and the characters were fun to be around. Also imo because the series is largely light hearted and fun in its first few acts it makes the distinct shifts in tone latter on stand out a lot more.

Also the guitar riff for the sweet guitar riff for the bumbers was and still is rad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9T5jjZceY

>>149775814
being an edgy 13 year old

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>>149775814

It understood the simple concept that if the hero is OP strong then you challenge him on a level that's not always combat

I always thought the men in that show had super long bodies...

>>149775814
Ir aired like 20 years ago.

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>>149775934
well put, the conflicting ideals of the factions were what made the show worthwhile. Vash expanding from Rem's passivity was a perfect ending.
Legato's edgy nihilism is very memorable as well

Anime or manga?

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>>149776051
Yeah I almost forgot about him. Funny because as an edgy teen I think I thought he was probably the coolest character. As a late 20s adult though I now really mainly remember Vash smiling and trying to laugh in the face of his idealism falling apart around him.

Also anyone with any interest should rewatch the episode "diablo" where Vash takes on the first of knives Big 5 or whatever. Its the first big shift in the tone in the series and I'd say it still stands up.

>>149776135
anime, never read the manga.
How does it hold up?

>>149776278
>How does it hold up?

Well plot wise it's really cool but I don't really think it's his best work ART wise

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>>149776278
I own the first half before kives big baddies come out. I think they changed it to Trigun Reloaded at that time?

I remember the story being similar but as expected more depth in some placed less in others. Also I believe if memory serves the manga was made after the anime.

And the art for their angle arms in the manga is beautiful.

>>149775814

Animation

Music

Action

Badass characters

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>>149776376

Trigun Maximum

>anime never

Why the fuck os everyone in this thread praising the animation? It was objectively shit. If you want good animation from the same era, try Eva (at its good moments, not when they ran out of time/money), or Utena.

I recently watched it for the first time. It really isnt good at all. I was bored the entire time, and didnt even bother with the last two episodes. Japan hates it. Im pretty sure it only got a following here because of Cartoon Network. Take off the nostalgia goggles.

>>149776644

Jokes on you, newfag. trigun got it's fanbase from the good ol DVD scene.

>>149776278
>How does it hold up?
Compared to the anime it's like night and day when it becomes trigun maximum

>>149776644
Is there an actual reason you dislike it? Japan has shit taste and cartoon network is for pleb children. Animation is fine, it's madhouse.

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>>149775814
It had some seriously memorable style. Even in the action manga paradise that was the 90s, the aesthetic stood out in a way that was memorable to me with the likes of Hellsing Ultimate and Bebop. It also helps that story and characters weren't half bad, either. It's shown its age more than some of its peers, but I still like it.

I actually just finished rewatching this for the first time in forever. Vash and Wolfwood are great, but the rest of the cast is comparatively weak, especially the bad guys. It really could have benefited from being less episodic, but that was the case with a lot of shows from back then.

>>149776644
Its ok anon you just have ADD like the rest of the millennials. For what its worth you will get distracted soon and forget all about this because of this.

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Meryl is an always shall be mai waifu

>>149776895
>ADD
>millenials
oh, the ironing...

>>149776806
First off,
>animation is fine, it's madhouse
Take Madhouse's cock out of your mouth for a second. Just because a studio has a gem or two does not mean they are always good. Also, studios change over time. The animation is bad. There are plenty of scenes where the only movement is mouth flaps for extended periods. The backgrounds are all very bland and lack life.

As for the rest of the show. Many characters served zero purpose. Milly and Meryl in particular. They were in just about every episode, but they didnt affect the plot in any major way. They had their own special weapons, which they used mybe once or twice. Wolfwood was cool, I'll give you that. Vash was just Kenshin, but not as cool. I never cared much about Vash, and I feel like his inner struggles just werent executed well.

Many episodes were boring filler. Thats acceptable in a long ongoing series, but not in a two cour show. They could have told the story in one cour just fine.

>>149776278
its good but a lot different in tone from the anime

Though one complaint is Nightow's art is extremely hard to follow at times specify in the latter half ((looking at you vash vs legato fight)

>>149776480
I'm kind of ok with since there are parts in maximum that I felt where done better in the anime

>>149776351
It's more like Hellsing than the Trigun anime if I were to compare it with something. Characters are somewhat more complex in the manga.
>>149775934
>We were kids.
The way you say it makes it look like Trigun anime doesn't have good direction and writing(save for the last two episodes too).

>>149777187
>Milly and Meryl in particular
It's funny because in the anime they were turned into love interests, but in the manga they're just friendly characters that follow Vash occasionally.

>>149777552
Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I simply mean that having loved the series as a kid I probably cannot be objective and likely anyone else that enjoyed it at a younger age may have issues being objective because memories and emotions are weird stuff.

>>149777187
>filler

Oh. It's one of those SRS BSNS posters that can't appreciate a show taking time to tell stand alone stories in an established setting.

>>149775814
LOVE AND PEACE!

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Apparently Trigun anime was unpopular in Japan back in 90s, but with our fujoshi overlords reigning and Bones finding a way with Kekkai Sensen, would Trigun Maximum anime sell well?

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>>149776989
nice taste my man

>>149778218

If Ushio and Tora can come back who knows

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>>149778218

Is the Hiroshi Kamiya shota in Maximum? because that's guaranteed fujobux.

>>149778513

Zazie's there but also gurl. kinda. It's a whole thing.

>>149777552

I don't especially DISagree but the manga of hellsing did some shit that bugged me. The whole Walter thing as an example.

The style stands out well and it's a very fun anime that gets somewhat serious towards the conclusion. "Good vs evil" and exploring the gray area between them is cool. Vash finding ways to not kill people can get humorous.

>>149775952
Trigun is the opposite of edgy.

>>149778763

Id call it reverse edgey but that's really more Kenshin's bag

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>>149775814
The movie was good too.

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>>149779570

I won't say I didn't enjoy it but it was kind of weird, in the sense that it came out so long after the fact just to do what amounted to a filler arc.

Was nice to see the old gang together again and Ill take all I can get but it was just weird.

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seriously though what kind of hippy names a kid knives

>>149775814
>opening theme
>glorious deaths
>actual blood and violence on a channel where during the day violence meant hitting someone with a hammer and them screaming ouch
>waifus
>plot progression instead of 7-8 minute shorts like the rest of cartoon network at the time
>decent dub was it perfect nope but it did its job

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>>149776051
>Vash expanding from Rem's passivity was a perfect ending.

Y'know I never understood how Rem had such an effect on Vash to the point where he'd completely ditch common sense when it came to killing, almost annoyingly so.

Failed to realize that some people just really need to be put down, mad dogs etc etc. Obviously pointing fingers at Knives. In the flashback of them both as kids, the point of no return for Knives was trying to genocide humanity, almost being successful with it too. Of course Vash has to try and redeem him, keeping with this weird misplaced sense of optimism for people. Apparently in the manga that actually happens, to what extent I don't know, been planning on reading it all.

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>>149782120

What's to understand. She was important to him, basically a mother. That alone is gonna make her words carry tremendous weight but combine that with her dying to saving everyone. Plus her words and philosophy are really all he has of her to remember.

He's naively optimistic but his actions make some sense.

>>149775814
Wolfwood's cross

>>149776006
Imagine how long their dicks must be .///////.

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>>149775934
>We were kids.

No, you were a kid. A kid watching Yu-Gi-Oh and Dexter's Laboratory.

A child wouldn't be able to understand the awesomeness of Trigun, faggot.

>>149776278
manga way better. no trigun maximum anime that sad.

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>tfw pic related happens
>Vash lashes out and stabs Rem.
>Knives seemingly takes it in stride. Then starts his plan to annihilate all the humans

>>149778218
Now that I think about it though, Kekkai Sensen has very tame contents compared to Trigun, characters are less wacky and MC is beta self-insert.
1998 series already had to tone down some edgy shit like Legato cramping thugs in a box.

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>mfw Wolfwood's death in the manga
i had already watched the anime and knew it was coming, but it was so much sadder.

>>149782823
I like how in the manga Knives was the outgoing kid of two, and Vash was shy one. So Knives also turned out to be more emotional and neurotic, and that was more subtle than the anime version that portrayed him as a kid who thinks too much and doesn't like to socialize. Vash also appears smarter in the manga, and somewhat "given up" on everything rather than desperately trying to keep optimistic facade.
Anime is good, but Nightow is more thoughtful with psychological descriptions like that.

Trigun is just a shitty ripoff of Black Cat

>>149777187
> Millie Meryl
> served no purpose
Except they're the common people, but by following Vash they come to understand that he's different from what they've heard. Then they try to help, but people haven't had the first hand experience with Vash like they have, so they go with what they've heard.
Their purpose is to be the ones who can set the record straight.
There's an entire filler episode dedicated to this, good job fucking paying attention.

Or, you know, the episode before Under The Sky So Blue where Vash is unsure what to do, and Meryl, having witnessed Vash throughout the series, gives him advice on how to get back to his path.

> Vash's inner struggle
Feel the opposite, it's one of the few struggles I've thought was well executed.

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>>149778218
if that where to happen

best boy(s) incoming

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You know why it's so heavy?

>>149787099
Because it's full of guns

Actually I prefer his death in anime. It's just really fucking good scene

>>149788488
It is a really good scene. One of my favorite scenes in the show.

>>149785608
That whole church fight was an exercise in taking an already over-the-top and cranking it up to eleven getting more and more ridiculous with every passing page.

But damn if it wasn't cool.

>>149775814
>non-edgy moralfag mc who was actually competent
>interesting setting
>soundtrack
>memorable sidekick

>>149775814
Why are their heads so small in comparison with their bodies

>>149775814
The bar scene of the first episode. It was literally the coolest thing to ever happen in space and time

Good scenery

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>>149785608
Legato is my waifu

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I'm a man! ;-;

Is this the anime whose 1st episode should be skipped the first time watching it?

>>149790071
That's Gungrave

>>149788836
Because they are tall.

>>149790071
Why would you do that?

>>149779747
I avoided watching it for years since I was accustomed to no new content regarding it for so long. Eventually watched it and was sad that I knew there probably wouldn't be anymore.

>>149789841
A real man .////.

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>Watched trigun again a little while ago for the first time since like middle school

>It's still pretty tight.

Feels good man

>>149776278
it doesn't

>>149795055

get a (you) anon, you are the only one ITT without shit taste

>>149790402
>>149790071
>Skipping episodes ever

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Love is overrated.
Peace is an illusion.

The man spent all his life running away from gangsters and the law, usually stirring up circumstances best described as open warfare. He never had a girlfriend. And he was always on the hunt for the one guy whom he blamed for it all.
"Love and peace" is just his self-justification, confirming to him that he is in the right because he is fighting for something that he neither knows nor believes in. He is the embodiment of an indoctrinated terrorist. And yet he refuses to kill. In his hypocrisy he is adamant in preferring others to destroying human lives that he (Vash) had promised to protect, yet instead of taking action he hides behind a paper-thin disguise of pacifism and thus enforces his delusions about his mission of righteousness, and his crusade breeds casualties at almost every step.
"Love and peace" is a mockery of the dead.

Don't trust nonhumans.

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>>149796463

>>149795401
>>149795055
Have a (You) both of you. Maximum is far better than the anime and you have shit taste.

>>149796463
Oh look, a fat fucking greaseball. Such a hardass that overeating and alcoholism has made him.

>>149776376
what is going on in this scene? is someone holding vash?

>>149775814
The western feeling was great and the world was interesting, through not utilized as much as it should.

However it will forever stick in my mind as the manga with the most retarded overcomplicated weapons ever, like Legato´s giant living automatic gunflail.

Livio a best.

>>149782446
Don't talk shit on Dexter's Lab.

>>149796023
I'm guessing you don't really know about Gungrave

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>>149789841
>>149788488
>>149788767

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLTyH2noIHU
I remember watching that during highschool. That scene hit me when he wanted to live. Life should be valued, that's a hard lesson that continued to be brought up throughout the show.

>>149800450
SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS PLS

>>149800450
>>149803637
>>149803637
That's knifes with a OP Angel arm

Quoting >>149777304 Nightow's art is extremely hard to follow when he was drawing maximum

>>149804778
thank you. it just looks like vash is holding knives or rather vice versa to me

>>149803637
It's uh... actually a naked Knives dry humping Vash into forming the angel arm. I wish I was kidding, Read the manga.

>>149780729
One who doesn't speak english.

>>149776278
I personally think it's shit because the art isn't very good which normally wouldn't bother me but unless you've already seen the anime it can be very hard just to find out what the fuck is going on

Also I could only ever find scans that read left to right and it was too confusing so I dropped it at the second volume.

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>>149796463
That's an interesting thought.

In the grand scheme of things, Vash was only able to remain as idealistic and hold to his morals for as long as he did *because* he wasn't human. Long story short Vash was completely full of shit. He traveled the world for over a hundred years preaching his doctrine of pacifism knowing full well an ordinary human wouldn't be able to take to his example because humans do not have his superhuman ability to act against violence.

The one time in the series we see a human try to live by his example, Wolfwood is killed.

I suppose the fact that Vash is so fixated on his philosophy is what makes him such a fascinating character. Despite being a superior species to humanity with a vastly superior IQ among other things, he never really questions or grapples with the implications of what he's doing. Or... maybe he does and can't bring himself to admit it.

If I had an issue with the series as a whole it would be the childish, glossed over the top way it wrote Vash and the inner struggle he had with his moral conflict. A really good example of this is the scene from the movie where Amelia calls him out for essentially being full of shit, and Vash is unable to reply. He ignores her and dodges the question with "Isn't it better if everybody lives?"

I wish we'd gotten a scene of Vash explaining why he so stringently fought for what he did and his thoughts on the opposing reality of the situation basically coming at him from all sides. The character should have been smart enough to discuss it. But I wonder if the writers were?

>>149805060
thank you

>>149805215
>Also I could only ever find scans that read left to right
Did you look? Dark Horse released the whole series in right to left nearly a decade ago and scans have been up for years

>>149805435
It was more that he wanted to not only solve every problem with nobody dead, but for others to pick up this idea from him. Him being a superhuman makes a difference but the guy still took quite a lot of damage in order to stay true to his beliefs. I mean yea Wolfwood tried to follow his ideals but Vash influenced many other to do the same (drunk gunsmith, guy who held Mayor's daughter hostage, hell even Milly and Meryl).
I saw it almost as a religious deal, I'm not too fond of the whole Jesus story but isn't it some guy who has some powers trying to spread his beliefs that are morally good, that's kinda what I saw in Vash. Just a dude going around trying to spread his way of thinking to others to better mankind.
Then again this is just a japanese moving picture, no need to get this deep into it.

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>>149805435
>In the grand scheme of things, Vash was only able to remain as idealistic and hold to his morals for as long as he did *because* he wasn't human.

Counter argument. The only reason he COULDN'T follow his ideals was because there was some crazed edge lord lunatic going out of the way to prove him wrong. Most regular Joes aren't going to have a Knives going out of the way to fuck their lives over so hardly.

I think you're under selling Vash. He knows what kind of place the world is. The point he's trying to make the world better.

Have you seen Kenshin? It's like the first episode of that where he admits that Kaoru's ideas are basically just wishful thinking but that wishful thinking is the first step to making a better world.

>I wish we'd gotten a scene of Vash explaining why he so stringently fought for what he did and his thoughts on the opposing reality of the situation basically coming at him from all sides. The character should have been smart enough to discuss it. But I wonder if the writers were?

That's completely unnecessary. It was all there it didn't need to spelled out for dullards.

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>>149801901

I am quite familiar with Gungrave in all it's forms. Skipping episodes is retarded. But then again so isn't wasting half your run time on some stupid slow mafia story when adapting a video that's about shooting the fuck out of shit non stop and killing zombies. Also fuck the gay friendship ending.

>>149805435
I really feel like you're forgetting things.

>The one time in the series we see a human try to live by his example, Wolfwood is killed.
>Peace Keeper
>Little Arcadia

>He ignores her and dodges the question with "Isn't it better if everybody lives?"
That's the answer though. He's saying they should strive for the better outcome, even if it's unrealistic.

I don't think I'm explaining myself well, but >>149806953 has the right idea.
Especially,
>That's completely unnecessary. It was all there it didn't need to spelled out for dullards.

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>>149805435
>>149806330
>>149806953
Y'know one of the aspects to Trigun's narrative that I like is the fact it doesn't hold any punches when it comes to Vash's philosophy. A good chunk of the story involved him being put to the grindstone, figuratively and kinda literally. It's interesting when you compare this to popular capeshit characters like Batman or Superman -- whereas in this scenario the narrative will bend over completely backwards, distorting and warping itself to make the heroes always right in this case of their moral views.

> The character should have been smart enough to discuss it. But I wonder if the writers were?

I don't think he could technically. Explaining that his views all come from this woman who probably had been cooped up in a ship her whole life, sheltered away from the outside world for an extended period of time. I don't think anyone would regard him in that sake. And it kinda sucks because you know Vash is a good guy, you'd expect him to inspire people to do good, but the world he occupies is truly the antithesis of everything he wants to embody making his ideal world impossible to accomplish.

>>149775814
The fact that Vash was a good guy but wasn't a good guy. I mean, he willingly brings disaster to every city he enters, mourning afterwards and still repeating the same shit again.
Good protagonist with appropriate cast.
And everyone loves post-apocalyptic age.

>>149807096
>hating on Gungrave

>>149808976
>had been cooped up in a ship her whole life
Pretty sure she talks about her life before the ship.

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>>149809724

The game was fun but the anime was more than half tired

>You're my best friend, Brandon.
>Oh I betrayed you but we're still tight because we where friends once. Never mind I murdered the woman you loved.

There's a reason the game left this shit in the background. It wasn't deep, it wasn't especially moving or interesting. It's a crazy video game about a zombie shooting zombie mafioso and the sequel even went crazier by bringing aliens into the mix.

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>>149808976
>but the world he occupies is truly the antithesis of everything he wants to embody making his ideal world impossible to accomplish.

But that's what makes his struggle interesting. He's a man with values in a world that frowns on them. And in does inspire. Here and there and a little at a time but he does change them. No one's expecting the world to turn over a new leaf immediately, that takes time but more than time people need to try and someone needs to make a start.

>>149809951
>Oh I betrayed you but we're still tight because we where friends once. Never mind I murdered the woman you loved.
But that was why they had to kill each other and why Grave was crying at the end of the anime, Harry can't be redeemed but they're still friends. And he "betrayed" Brandon because he thought Brandon likes Daddy more.
At least you should agree that the OST in 10/10.

>>149810257
>Harry can't be redeemed but they're still friends. And he "betrayed" Brandon because he thought Brandon likes Daddy more.

and that's fucking retarded. The anime tried to make it seem like their friendship was able to endure all that crap? No. That's bullshit.

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>>149775814
I think for starters that it gets its western story 100% especially the anime. Also there really hasn't been anything like it since.