Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv Luv

>>149744406
No.

>>149744406
Yes.

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>Yuuya "If its's a Jap, I must attack" Bridges
>Yuuya "Deffo not gay, just goin the roboway" Bridges
>Yuuya "Ignore giant tits, they just give you fits" Bridges
>Yuuya "Mom is here, mom is there, mom is everywhere" Bridges
>Yuuya "Smack a Jap, go relax" Bridges
>Yuuya "The South will rise again" Bridges
>Yuuya "If you're Stella, you're my fella" Bridges
>Yuuya "Fuck a chink, shame my dad" Bridges
>Yuuya "Definitely not asking the one guy who can tell me about the past" Bridges
>Yuuya "That baby's not mine, only mechs are fine" Bridges
>Yuuya "That guy has red hair, these Jap genes are unfair" Bridges
>Yuuya "Autism is fine, if those Slavs are 9s" Bridges

>>149744406
Maybe

>>149745759
This gave me a good chuckle.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

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>>149745759
>Yuuya "If its's a Jap, I must attack" Bridges
>Yuuya "Smack a Jap, go relax" Bridges

Yui needs to step her game up

Irisdina is a loser. Let's make fun of Irisdina.

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>>149746778
Just get the guy who did the quote names for Iris.

>Irisdina "Put some nine in this brother of mine" Bernhard

Instant bullying.

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Gretel?
More like FLATtel

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>>149747701
Average chest, but god tier ass

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>>149747909
That would be Tarisa. Gretel is also just mid-tier at best in ass department. Fanart likes to overdo it. I see our dear artist also gave her nicer glasses, instead of those birth control goggles she had called glasses.

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>>149747975
nah m8, her original glasses are the best
If they are good for Honecker, they are good for her

>>149748029
Pactfags need to go and stay gone.

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>>149747909
>but god tier ass
There is only one of those that is 100% canon in ML.

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...was she hinting Yuuya's good enough to fug now?

>>149749200
No

I want to bully Lise.

>>149749200
Is Latrova still good enough to fug? That is the real question.

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Scans when?

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>>149748568
There can be only one

>>149750311
Himecut is a sign of a slut!

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>>149750390

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>>149750067
I dunno, you tell me.

Also, someone please get a higher quality version of this. How the hell haven't we had a good scan of this, it's been years.

Literally, both those faces and that pose, they're maddening. She's basically saying "Oho? You need to become a man. I'll teach you".

>>149744406
Why are all redheads either evil or dumb and useless?

>>149750742
because gingers don't have souls.

PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBU_Jx6aGvM

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>>149744406
They've been dropping so many obvious hints for so long without ever explicitly confirming it that I would honestly be disappointed in Kouki if he just went the expected path and really made Theo be the Master. At this point it'd be more of a twist and more entertaining if it turned out otherwise.

Also Lise a best

I want to make Farka cry and tell her she's a terrible girl.

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>>149751482
>At this point it'd be more of a twist and more entertaining if it turned out otherwise.
Agreed

>>149751482
>>149752155
No. Because there wouldn't be a point if SM didn't somehow connect to other VNs.

Why is Axmann the only person to treat girls right?

>>149752304
Thats a dumb point, he doesn't need to be the master for SM to 'somehow' connect to the other VNs, it already does that in multiple ways. Even if it didn't a spin off made after the fact doesn't have to have overlapping characters with the other works.

>>149750458
So fat.

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>>149750742
Farka is not evil, dumb or useless!

>>149753768
I don't get this meme. Nothing about Latrova is "fat" except her large breasts.

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>>149750458
I've got a early Christmas present for Latrova-anon.

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>>149755205
Holy shit.

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>>149755205
Based GK.

>Local Anaon burns his apartment as a tribute to his 3 fictional wives
Was that you Yui+Cryska+Inia-fag?

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True hero.

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I want to protect that smile! but even in BiS i won't be able to! suffering.

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>>149756308

>>149744406
I want it to be confirmed true that they are the same person so Theo has more worth as a character to me.

SSR Isumi and Mitsuki:
http://i.imgur.com/Td7tCR8.png

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>>149744406
>>149744964
So if Theo is the Master, how does that change the overall tone/message/story of SM?

>>149757486
No. It was a tragic clusterfuck, and remains a tragic clusterfuck. And it all could have been prevented had someone protected that smile.

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Vivi, Lise and Farka are the cutest.

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>>149757617
I can vouch for that.

>>149757540
From the spoilers, it was Axmann manipulating Jurgen's friends, like Katze, and family that allowed him to get the evidence to fuck with Jurgen. Probably one of the reasons why Beatrix feels absolutely no guilt in killing them.

>>149757400
why are pandering that lesbo duo so much?

>>149757486
No, Stasi were right, even if they were the most evil and cruel faction in Muv-Luv yet, and Theo and Iris was good people who had their hearts in the right place, even if their plan turned out to be shit.

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>>149758076
>Probably one of the reasons why Beatrix feels absolutely no guilt in killing them.

>Its an acquaintances equal friends episode

>>149758355
I want her to headbutt me until her forehead is covered in my blood.

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>>149758457

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>>149758862

>>149758225
I thought Beatrix was pretty redeemable with the whole "I still dreamed of being your friend but never pursued it because I thought it was impossible" stuff.

Maybe if her and Iris would have gotten together, they could have curtailed the worse of each others' ideology. Like have a fully mobilized military state and strong global ties, but also have orderly evacuations because people need hope and aren't going to just going to march to their deaths for the West.

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>>149757617
>>149757911

And the sexiest.

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>>149760423
And she knows it.

>>149760574
I want to kiss Lise.

>>149755205
Should of had Beatrix next to Latrova since November 23rd is her birthday.

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>>149762179
Me too

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I am going to marry this zampolit!

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Did Axmann want to fuck Jurgen, or Beatrix?

>>149763364
Both?

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>>149763364
Why do the grils get such cute cheek/chin guards?

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What are some scenes/small things you would have changed to make anime Beatrix better?

>>149764127
Instead of smiling when she hear lise and the others died she bites her lips and a small tear runs down her cheek.

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>>149764294
The tear is a little too far; Beatrix doesn't cry anymore. I would have just showed her being neutral, or even slightly pissed. Beatrix is a hollow, suicidally depressed woman; she even describes herself as empty in Irisdina's route. She has a difficult time attaching to people and she's awkward and uncomfortable when she tries being nice or empathetic. Most of the emotions she shows are fake, and she probably copes with all the shit around her by just not giving a shit. Still, showing her privately celebrating the deaths of her subordinates is a bridge to far.

>>149764565
But we are talking about anime beatrix which is a whole different person compared to VN and LN.

Point was to make her likeable or better.

>>149764565
>Theo gazes upon a virtually naked Beatrix
>not aroused and still finds time to heap hate on her

Why is he such a faggot?

>>149764850
Because he is not you.

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>>149760574
Indeed.

>>149764850
>I'm here because you can't accept what you've done. It broke you. You needed someone to blame, so you cast it on me

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>>149764565
I got tired of seeing Beatrix look like a battered woman, so I whipped this up.

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>>149765581
Here's her looking sad, but no blood.

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>>149752304
Anon, you're basically saying there can never be new works again, because they don't directly connect with the Trilogy. SM already was a prequel to Arcadia from the very first moment it was announced, because it's set in earlier Europe.

>>149750742
She's not dumb or useless! Anette is lovely and a big help to everyone! You take that back!

>>149755205
Oh GK, what would we do without you?

Bless your heart.

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What could cause Beatrix to have this expression?

>>149765876
she is kill.

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>>149765876
This is pretty fun. Beatrix can make some pretty hilarious faces.

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>>149765876
>Uh, yeah, how am I going to break this to you, but... we managed to find Jurgen in a recently liberated stasi prison facility. Turns out I never really killed the actual Jurgen, and Axmann had been hanging on to him. Sorry about that.

>>149757486
Theo truly learned the meaning of her last words, and did indeed come to see that she was right.

>>149751731
Are you the same guy who wants to electroshock and brainwash Lead Belly into being a good girl?

>>149765876
Our storyanon's tales come true and Theo sticks it in her suddenly.

>>149765964
Jesus Christ she looks like she's about to break down laughing.

>>149765642
That expression makes my heart pound. It makes me want to embrace her ans tell her it'll be alright.

>>149765876
>What could cause Beatrix to have this expression?
Waking up to a dick inside her.

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>>149766291
>Jesus Christ she looks like she's about to break down laughing.
Must have been a terribly great or greatly terrible joke then.

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>>149764850
He shapes up later, chills out.

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>>149766914
>Ehhhhhhh, Theo, is it true then you put it in Lise? Ufufu

Good now make the most utterly sad that you can. I'm talking tears and blood. I want to feel guilty, for my soul is black.

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>>149765329
I want to make her feel better. No imouto should be abandoned by their onii-chan.

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>>149767005
I don't know if I can. Her death was already extremely sad as is.

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>>149767222
Naught face edit.

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>>149767005
What would you do if Beatrix was having bad dreams?

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>>149767222
Yes it was, but we can always go deeper. Farther. Further. Make the hurt stretch even more.

>>149767448
stick a dick in her to try to wake her up.

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>>149766202

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>>149755205
Wonderful, as always GK

>Local anon burns his apartment as a tribute to this 3 fictional wives
BTFO

>Stella vs Pham
Working on another...?

>Top cute poll test
Ooh ooh, is this actually a poll?

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>>149767892
>Ooh ooh, is this actually a poll?
Pixiv poll, I wanted to try this feature for the first time. If you like, you can vote for whichever character you want next for a future cover.

>Stella vs Pham
Pic related

>>149768024
I wish Meiya + Yuuhi was an option. Maybe next time?

>>149767839
Now she's going to get tea all over her boobs.

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>>149767839
oops, we need that trademark lipstick too, don't we?

>>149768175
I figured so. I paired her with Iris before so I want to try a character I haven't drawn yet.

>>149768301
Yeah, I've been going through your work. I love it. You might be my favorite pixiv artist now.

>>149767401
That face looks pretty punchable for some reason.

>>149757486
Dem thighs are almost as wide as her waist.

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>>149752528
I wonder...

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>>149768175
They already have a ton of good art.

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アイリスディーナ・ベルンハルト - かつての旧友。
テオドール・エーベルバッハ - 後に雌雄を決する宿敵
ハインツ・アクスマン - 国家保安省武装警察軍の作戦参謀。階級は中佐。

>>149767035
Does Beatrix enjoy Lise's suffering in the VN like she does in the anime? I hope that the shower scene isn't the same context as the anime's.

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Irisdina, Yui, Cryska and Inia are my waifus.

>>149770044
You survived your apartment fire?

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>>149770204
The love for my waifus is eternal.

>>149769932
yes she even cuts one of her boob in one route and in another she pumps her full of drugs and makes her a retard.

>>149770391
Why would she do that?

>>149770433
because she is evil and likes seeing others suffer.

>>149770391
Stop spreading misinformation like this, idiot. Axmann does both those things, not Beatrix.

>>149770572
it's a meme that the anime seemed to have confirmed.

>>149767839
>>149768301
So cute! The gap moe is strong with Beatrix.

so Beato is ALT IV stay and fight and Rebels are ALT V run away and hold hands?

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>>149770391
She's wasn't a retard, jeez. She's amnesiac and catatonic, undergoing the recovery process for a common patient of an acquired drug induced brain injury.

>>149772148
no. i'm pretty sure she becomes a retard.

>>149772379
Provide proof.

>>149772410
she talks all retarded in the truck when they meet anett and gretel.

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>>149769535
>テオドール・エーベルバッハ - 後に雌雄を決する宿
>Theodore Eberbach - the enemy who decides the sex afterwards

What did they mean by that?

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>>149772505
First they were in a car, and second your impression isn't proof. Things like Gretel stating it was a side effect of the "truth serum", that the specific and long term consequences are somewhat unknown, that Theo is taking her west to help her recover and "mend her broken mind no matter how long it takes", that if you take all her behaivor throughout the scene into account she's clearly not retarded and in fact quite lucid, that she says in the scene herself that she is daijobu, the implied hopeful ending by both the ED and final scene, the fact that the circumstances are practically tailor made to be the perfect setup to fulfill her greatest wish and was in fact by all appearances the intent of making the ending what it was in the first place, these are all proofs to support a conclusion. Now stop being retarded.

>>149773008
>She won't have to remember Axmann, the rapes, the baby, Beatrix, the hell she went through in the werewolves, the stasi, and East Germany
>Her brother is there to protect her and made all the bad people die
>Her brother loves her and only her

Why is Lise's ending so good?

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>>149773121
>goes through the most personal suffering
>gets a chance at the most personal happiness

I mean if you look at it objectively it kind of makes sense.

>>149773121
I don't think Lise necessarily viewed Beatrix or Farka negatively.

>>149773008
>Theo is taking her west to help her

They are running away because they are fugitives now and that will make it very hard for them to board any evacuation ships when the shit hits the fan.

>>149773553
Leaving because of their connection to the Stasi was part of the reason why they left, helping Lise was Theo's other reason as he says himself in the scene. As for boarding evacuation ships I don't know why you're assuming that or why it would be a problem looking at the epilogue with the EF girls.

>>149773692
He is the only one that makes it. And all other girls die Iris, Katia and Lise. Gretel and Anett are exception since they survive in all routes. that's why you can consider all routes canon. And in all routes he hears about limitation of ideals. After losing everything those words stick with him and his actions and views become more extreme and he becomes the master.

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>>149773942
Proof?

>>149773942
Fuck them for hamstringing themselves to "all routes are cannon." Just make Katia's route canon, like the LN and anime did.

>>149774333
just see "true route" scene. It gives no indication which one is true and all of the routes could lead to it.

>>149774687
they probably wanted to make katia true but her popularity is really low.

>>149774754
>"true route" scene
It also gives no indication that all the route girls are dead, if you take their absence in the scene as proof of that then I guess Anette and Gretel are dead too. This all also hinges on Theo becoming the master at some point, the full implications of which we still don't know either.

>>149774868
they are dead. and you won't be hearing about them again in next VNs only some vague mentions. And how Theo becomes master is because he realizes the "limits" of ideals. SM is a story of Ideals vs Ideals.

>>149775048
>SM is a story of Ideals vs Ideals.
SM is a story of what happens when childhood dreams and hopes runs into reality. Hiroki himself said so on his twitter when breaking down Katia.

>>149775170
yes. childish ideals. And what i said before that all routes could be considered canon is why we didn't see Beatrix winning in any of them since then, they wouldn't all lead to that "true route" scene.

>>149775048
There are decades between SM and the epilogue, more than enough time for all sorts of things to happen.

Age is more likely to leave the ultimate fates of SM's heroines ambiguous than they are to kill them offscreen, and again you're assuming Theo is the master and assuming the reasons for doing so, wait and see how things go before coming to such an all encompassing conclusion.

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>>149775255
They might all end with her death because she's the main antagonist, and they tend to die in very shitty ways in stories like SM.

>>149766215
Nah, I'm just bullying around.

Which girl would like chin rubs the best?

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>>149766215
>Theo truly learned the meaning of her last words, and did indeed come to see that she was right.
Not really. He's still running from shit, and he's facing off against Yuuko, who's basically Beatrix with ꜱᴄɪᴇɴᴄᴇ!

I don't think he ever really comes to regret or sympathize Beatrix. He never finds out about her background, her friendship with Iris, her dead lover, her agony, her relationship with Lise and the Werewolves, or her ideals and everything that shaped them. Her past and personality is a cypher to him. She was just an evil, crazy, power hungry stasi bitch who wanted to turn the DDR into BETA feed for UN shekels and a cushy spot elsewhere afterwards as far as he's concerned (which is ironically Axmann's position, but Theo would never know). Though he didn't necessarily like killing her, he still hated her completely and I don't think he'd regret it or see it as a bad thing.

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>>149768024
>No Lise option

>>149775702
Beatrix, Iris, and Katia.

>>149775829
>Iris
No matter how hard I try I can't see it, unless it's BiS Iris.

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>>149775963

>>149775817
Imouto types need not apply to a fight that isn't theirs.

>>149776068
Not that, for the poll.

>>149768301
>"Beatrix, you're pregnant"

>>149776045
I want to bully them so hard Jurgen would have to interfere and kick my ass so I'd stop upsetting them.

>>149776367
it fits.

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>>149776511
Anything is possible if you're intelligent, talented, and work hard at it. Hell, it might be Jurgen who becoms the bullied.

>>149776367
How quickly would she jump ship if Jurgen gave her a little going away present in her stomach before he marched off to meet the reaper?

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>>149776554
Why doesn't Iris just shoot him?

At least Beatrix killed him, or planned to kill him in all three of the routes.

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>an all around swell guy
Alright, which one of you Axmann worshipers was responsible for this?

>>149776757
What, you don't think Axmann is the most gentleman person you ever known?

>>149776757
I'm sure it was one of those "Beatrix is worse than Axmann" types.

>>149776966
>>149777003
>>149776757
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. They label Theo as the "Unreliable Expositor Extraordinaire" up above.

>>149776757
>Sinister Minister
Ok, that made me laugh a bit. I like the way that looks. I hope the other pages get updated to look like that.

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Fuck Katia. I mean seriously, fuck Katia.

So Farka and one of the other Wolves sweep in and put her under arrest. A mob builds up, but things aren't exactly shit (except for Suzy dying). Katia then goes out on the roof and starts rallying the crowd with her speech, which pisses Farka off because she really, really does not want to have to deal with this latest moral quandary. Farka threatens to shoot Katia, but she can't because she's not enough of a bitch to shoot a 15 year old girl like that. Then the 666th show up and everything goes to hell. Katia stands up on the roof watching it all go down, as more Werewolves sweep in. Both Simone and Pham tell her to get the hell back inside. Then one of the Werewolf reinforcements ends up shooting in Katia's general direction, and Pham dives in front of her, taking the hit. Katia's all like "Pham, no..." and then finally decides to go inside.

Fuck you Katia, fuck you.

>>149777224
>Katia gets a good girl killed again
Shocker. People give Theo shit for killing semen demons, but Katia has an impressive indirect bodycount herself.

>>149777224
>Pham dies protecting Simone as well
What a senseless waste

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>>149777224
I've set my bar so low for her, but somehow, I'm still disappointed.

>>149777278
Deal with Theo is is that he's much more personal and hateful when he kills them. This isn't to mention that unlike guns, you actively have to steer the CIWS into their cockpit block. It's just an all around brutal death for some very cute/hot damaged girls.

>>149777557
For some reason I'm more willing to forgive someone who kills out of rage and hatred, than someone who gets people killed out of unbearable stupidity and a lack of survival instinct.

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>>149777557
Even in the anime, the Werewolves look so shocked/scared, that it takes away some badassery of the kills. Not to mention, that they're a bunch of chumps now.

>>149777443
Is Simone even good for anything that isn't Dr. Axmann's therapy?

>>149777633
It makes Theo look like a big faggot. Also, I remember before the anime when they were huge badasses. Farka nearly took down Theo and Annet in a 2v1 in the LN apparently. The only badass Werewolf now is Beatrix, who can still fuck up half the 666th by herself.

>>149777703
>>149777633
The Werewolves always relied more on their image then their skills. They're built up through the story because Theo's paranoid and fears them, but once he starts facing them, they go down like a bunch of noobs. Beatrix and Lise were the the only real crazy good aces in the 101st.

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>>149777224
Around roaches death approaches

>>149777756
>They're built up through the story because Theo's paranoid and fears them,
>Unreliable narration in action
Beyond that however, weren't the Werewolves build up mostly from their own perspective? Even Beatrix's Pep talk to them and the narration of that scene in Vol. 1, make them look more competent then what we got later. And we can't blame Theo for that. We can blame Hiroki though.

>>149778061
It's more like the 666th are just that much better.

Also, Martyrs Beatrix takes on some of anime Beatrix's bad commander traits.

How many of you have actually played Martyrs anyways?

Is Iris a good person?
How bad is Beatrix? Did they make it like the anime where Iris was better then Beatrix in every single conceivable category?

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>>149768301
That face is genius, if nothing else because she rarely does any silly faces.

>Beatrix does a harrumph face as Theo starts going baby crazy, going overboard trying to minimize any and all risks and panicking.

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Posting best girls

>>149778130
They made Beatrix an extremely unlikable person like the anime, yet she's also very pitiable, sympathetic, and is probably the most tragic character in SM.

As for Iris, Iris kind of created Beatrix. Not as much as Axmann, but Iris was the straw that broke her back.

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>>149778130
Somewhat, it's hard to know what to do when you can't read JP and the choices come up. But I liked it I guess. It's main problem is that it's basically Wasted Potential of all time VN. It just kind of shocks they've been working on this for years and they ended up taking so many damn shortcuts and opt outs.

Iris is a good person. Flawed yes, but in the end, it's those flaws and her guilt that help her truly shine as a good person.

Beatrix is way better in the VNs generally. Sadly, a bit of the anime seemed to crop into Bea's personality in Martyrs, but overall she's still absolutely wonderful. The main problem is that the hopes for Lise's route, when it was announced we really were getting Stasi Theo, and would thus get to know her much more intimately, just didn't end up so. First of all you have to remember Muv Luv in general runs on unreliable narrator. It's excusable that her good points are so overlooked since Theo in that route was taken into the Werewolf in the worst possible manner that could be done, hence why you have to dig a bit to see her good points. But it is a route mainly about Lise, so it's perhaps understandable why she's secondary even in that route.

The only hope is a secret Beato route that hasn't been discovered yet, but doubtful it exists. Very doubtful. But there is hope.

>>149779525
>secret Beato route

She has one. Its called BiS. And even if it ever gets VN adaptation there is no hope for a good ending. She is destined to suffer and lose her Muv-Luv.

>>149779657
i wonder how would watanabe adapt BiS.

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>>149778760
>"Ah, you're pregnant too, Iris."

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>>149779657
No, I refuse to believe there isn't something like a secret route. It may not end completely haippily, but I want Bea and Theo to at least have ONE happy ending. Both of them.

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>>149780643
That threesome was worth it.

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>>149780643
>Prequel To A Bloodpath.png

Oh GK, you genius motherfucker.

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>>149780643
>H-hey, now that you mention it, after that time you comforted me unexpectedly, I haven't had my period yet

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>>149780643
That mix between disgust and a desire to kill the one you love. I remember where I saw it. When Stella asked for her nickname. Was Yuuya really thinking of naming her Big Tits?

You go Lise. You go far.

>>149780643

What's that across Iris's eye?

>>149780935
half blink/eye twitch

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>>149780643
>>149780722
>Oh yeah? I'm with twins!

This is the best timeline.

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>>149780760
>"Anette, you are- nevermind." (She already knows)

>>149744406
How did he become so smug?

>>149781452
Lise is planning something bad isn't she?

>bully post-Martyrs Iris
>receive despaired thousand-yard stares from her
Why is the idea of this so arousing?

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>"Wait, what, Sylwia why are you pregnant too?!"
>"Grrr..."
>Walther is following a very interesting dust particle floating near the ceiling

>>149781452
THE MADMAN, HE ACTUALLY DID IT

GK, you're the hero this world deserves. May eternal mountains of pringles rain down on you and your fortune.

I'm kind of scared now. If Pham is one day to be there, what kind of face would she have on, preempting him by saying she's pregnant too? Probably something like Anna.

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>>149781452
You're a hero you know.

>>149781493
Faith, tru luv, and belief in the better day.

Not just understanding, but KNOWING.

>>149781765
On one hand I want to bully Anett, on the other hand one wrong move and she may end up committing suicide.
I don't know how to feel.

Pump and dump Irisdina and Beatrix

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>>149780722
>>149781220
>"Pham-onee, stop laughing"

That day, Theo learned the meaning of true responsibility.

-The end.

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>>149782592
11/10

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>>149782592
THE MADMAN DOES IT AGAIN

GK, I don't get it. How do you do it.

What can we do to help you? Pringles, maybe?

>>149782766
I already sent a bill to /a/ for 50,000 Pringle cans. Make sure they are empty.

>>149782592
God among men GK.

Anett being there is the most unusual. Might as well throw in Inghilds corpse for measure.

>>149783030
What have you done anon? Now he will do it

>>149783120
Nah, Inghild is too innocent to join that debauchery.

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>>149783030
I was literally just going to do this. Well not corpse. But she'd love to be preggers.

It's not that unusual, Anette and Theo (and Inghild) go way back, to TSF Academy days. Inghild was Pham to Theo before there was Pham. She was the other very kind soul on the team.

>>149783120
Wasn't the only one thinking it. Inghild would be nice for being dainty and kind while knowing she's stuffed with babies.

>>149783257
I thought Theo didn't particularly get along with anyone in his TSF Academy days. The whole "I'll survive by any means" thing.

Would it be cute if Suzy was wearing a maid outfit and had a perpetual "well, this is embarrassing" look on her face.

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>>149783278
He softened up pretty good by the time he was in for a while. It was all the friends he knew dying that sort of turned him inwards again to refusing to connect. They don't say in the VN, but in the LN, him and Anette and Inghild had already lost three old friends just in the last week. That's why Anette was so unstable already.

Anette went over the edge because Theo and her and Inghild were all that were left of their old group, and after Inghild simply let her die, it devastated her. It especially hurt her because Inghild had always been extremely kind, and had always insisted Theo had a good, kind, and righteous heart, and always defended him when others would detract and avoid him.

Also, it's more nuanced in the VN, in that it's not so much as he sort of let her die, in that he took his eye off the ball.

It never really gets mentioned, but her death effects Theo immensely. Beside Lise, his probably most flashed back memories are of Inghild.

>>149784107
They do mention that their friends die, Anette screams their names when rushing the Beta and mentions them to Inghild in the same battle.

And yeah, I never realised how was it even remotely Theodore's fault that Inghild died. She died trying to protect Anette who might as well have painted a giant X on her frame with the words "I am angry, eat me".
And on the same topic wasn't Theodor the very first one to rush to Inghild's side? He even tries to get Anette out of her stupor so she could help him save Inghild. How are they even remotely blaming him? Literally everyone else BUT him are more at fault. Not to mention how flashbacks of her death keep hunting her long after the event.

>>149784472
Hunting him*

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>>149784472
Basically, what he did wasn't enough. He was being somewhat of an asshole by the time the VN begins, with basically only Pham and Inghild saying they knew Theo was much better than that. The three were the last of their group, and their friends' deaths affected them all. Anette obviously went psychotic berserker, but Theo was no less affected, he basically shut himself off even more, and felt he should only look out for himself first, and use anyone else as shields against fate. When Katia first came, Anette basically even went to Theo's face and asked him extremely angrily if she was one of his intended sacrifices too.

During the battle where Inghild died, Theo did take his eyes off them while Inghild was comforting Anette, with a lot of those extremely pitiless thoughts. Though in the VN and LN, it's more understandable, since it relates back to him seeing kindness, friends, etc as liabilities, with memories of the torture chambers. It's not as obvious but he's as mentally and emotionally damaged as Anette, if not more so. But yes, he does also try to save Inghild when he realizes what happened.

Theo is right to blame himself too though, because he could have done more. He didn't care, didn't let himself care because that was a weakness others could exploit, or fate could exploit. It's part of why Anette was so angry with him, because Inghild had, more than anyone besides Pham, loved Theo and insisted he truly had an extremely kind and loving nature. Theo certainly blames himself too - in his thoughts, he knows Anette is right when she yells at him, crying her heart out along with her rage. Also, this may be conjecture, but part of why Anette is so mad with him is because she liked him, and now can't believe she had feelings for someone who could be so horrible.

It's Inghild's death that finally sets him on the path to change. So even though she doesn't get much airtime, she's one of the most important characters.

Give Katia to Axmann

>>149784107
>>149784472
>>149785109
Reading these things reminds me just how much they butchered the story in the Anime.

>>149785109
I remember that scene. I also remember Theo (I think it was him) asking Anette if she was seeing Katia as a replacement as well. Everybody wants to use poor Katia.

Not sure if Anette had feelings for him, I think she blamed him for the deaths of their past friends as well. Or at least blamed him for not caring.

And also why does Pham think of Theo so well? I don't think he treated her any better than he did others. He wasn't racist to her but was that really all?

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>>149785203
It is pretty shocking how much they dropped Inghild's impact on Theo's life, among many other things - she got like one flashback in the anime, and it was in montage with others. In truth, she was extremely special to Theo, with him reflecting on her alone many many times.

What was the most insane though was chainsawing whole separate elements of the story and mashing the corpses together into some unholy abomination.

The most famous example of this is probably what was in the anime, Axmann and Beatrix going to the base to 'get' Katia. In reality, Axmann was never there, and Beatrix dropped by because she's a troll, and figured she'd check out the situation since she was fighting with them tomorrow (which again the anime butchered, the Beatrix and the Stasi actually DID fight in that battle). And Beatrix's visit was not as acrimonious as the anime portrayed it. Some of the words were the same, but the panning and the tone couldn't be more utterly different. They completely gutted Beatrix's varying tones, especially her extremely kind and sultry tone when talking with Theo. They kept the basic clincher of her words to Theo, but utterly missed the most important part of it, and instead just made it about him and Katia, when her threat was really just a lead in to her most important part, her true purpose - that she very much wanted Theo to defect to them.

It just makes it lose all meaning.

>>149785540
I think she just wanted an informant out of him rather than straight up defection. She knew about his past with Stasi and wanted to use it to attempt to manipulate/coerce him against her rival. No real reason for her to want him to join her squad.

Which girls are the best for bullying and abuse?

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Could Lise have convinced Farka to get involved in some three way intercourse between her and Theo?

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>>149785341
Katia didn't really know what she was getting into.

Theo and Anette, it's a similar dynamic to when Anette was cutting deep into Theo (though he didn't really show it) with her crying hatred about letting poor kind Inghild die, and Theo pitilessly tells her that she should have been stronger to protect Inghild, which is precisely the thing to utterly destroy Anette, because she breaks down pounding the floor saying she knows he's right, she wishes she could be stronger. That's the thing with her, she blames herself for so much. They have a pretty deep relationship which is interesting in that's one of the long ones, even though it rarely gets explored.

They're both pretty comfortable with, and very much understand each other. It was understandable for example, that they both instantly volunteered for the Fort Neuhagen rescue. It's interesting that they both are the few who survive all. And they both are the kind of person who no one can hate them as much as they hate themselves. They work with each other, know each other. She would likely follow him to the ends of the Earth.

As for Pham, well...she's immensely loving, and when he came on board, he was likely, still quite taciturn. Pham's lost her entire (large) family, and though she doesn't really show it, she's broken too. She's lost everyone, and Theo is the perfect little brother. Someone who she can live for again, and recommit to her desire to be an older sister. She's also a VERY self-sacrificial person, who will do anything to make people smile again. And she understands people, she could see Theo's harshness was all a mask. She could see past it, see past the little boy fighter of the streets, and see the loving, caring, believing person he used to be, and indeed, truly was. It's why she always believed in him. From there, it grew to deep, true love.

THAT kind of love though? It sucks we'll never know. If I know her as I feel I know her though, it's an unequivocal yes.

>>149786243
Those are some pretty good analysis anon. Nice to know people look further than what is explicitly shown.

[Spoiler] a shame about the lack of answers. I think that Pham and Anette would have had quite interesting routes. Or at least have some very nice dynamics with Theo. Fuck you Martyrs...[/spoiler]

>>149786495
Lel errors

>>149786495
>Pham and Anette
They're likable characters, but neither would be able to carry a route. Then again, it's not like that doesn't describe Katia either.

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>>149781839
It is a dilemma. Anette is so bulliable, so hurting, even if you're a sicko, you still feel bad picking on her.

>Somewhere, at a club in London, a short, fit girl is letting herself go with the music, letting the pain recede into the darkness, letting the drugs take her floating away

You shut your mouth, how can you say, I go about things the wrong way?

I am human and I need to be loved, just like everybody else...

There's a club if you'd like to go, you could meet someone, who really loves you!

So you go and you stand on your own, and you leave on your own, and you go home and you cry and you want to die...

When you say it's gonna happen "now", when exactly do you mean?

See I've already waited too long, and all my hope is gone...

;_;

>>149786526
Take the middle ground, make side routes for them.

>>149748568
Attention is never, ever drawn to it unless incidentally or in promo art, but Katia also canonically has a fat ass.

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>>149785672
I guess I'd say read again, between the lines. There's no need for an informant, she already has plenty of those on the base and he knows it. Also, besides promises to Lise, there is the fact that Theo IS (along with Anette) one of the best melee fighters in the entire remnant Pact. Beatrix knows that besides herself and Farka, the Werewolf don't really have any people that competent at melee. Also, they're primarily trained in anti-TSF combat. They desperately need some anti-BETA experience, as even the Stasi have been forced to start doing anti-BETA ops. The 666th, bar none, is the best at anti-BETA ops in all of East Germany, and generally the most skilled pilots in all East Germany. You don't really get shown or told it, but Theo IS an elite. If we're talking skill level, he'd be one of Bea's squadron leaders, possibly even her direct underling.

Its like what was discussed here
>>149777557
>>149777633
>>149777756
>>149778061
The 101st is good, but not the best. Beatrix is one of the top pilots in the entire world of course, but you can't just bring everyone up to that level right away.

>>149782592
I can't take this anymore.

God help me.

At least we know none of the kids will be hungry.

>>149778130
I played the Lise route and thats it so far because I physically can't bring myself to not try and save her every time, especially knowing everything she's been through and the help she needs. Which you still sort of need Requiem to really get the full picture on her character and where she's coming from but the VNs at least still did a better job than the anime on that front.

But to answer your question Iris and Beatrix are more similar than the anime would lead you on to believe, and while Beatrix more often than not plays the role of an antagonistic she's not exactly a villain, if you want to look for the real bad guys at fault thats characters like Schmidt and Axmann.

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>>149786176
>Farka getting to spend some quality time with senpai
I doubt it'd take much convincing, although she'd probably consider Theo to be nothing but a third wheel.

>>149787113
Lise gets a pretty good showing in Iris's route, even if Theo disowns her.

>>149787113
>not saving the best for last
Anon, come on.

>>149784107
>They don't say in the VN,
You sure? I kind of remember Anette yelling their names or something in the first VN, but I could be remembering wrong.

>>149787261
Just imagine how cool it would be to headpat those two at the same time.

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>>149789149
I'd cut off my left ear to get in on that double headpatting action. Maybe take them to the amusement park and buy them ice cream afterward.

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I want to headpat Beato and covertly fix her messy hair!

>>149789523
Is it just me, or does it not seem that Farka has some really nice and wide hips?

>>149789582
>covertly fix her messy hair
Just turn her into a black haired Irisdina while you're at it.

>>149790247
>get them both so drunk they would feel nothing for a couple of hours
>mess up Irisdina's hair and dye it black
>fix Beatrix' hair and dye it blonde
>put mirrors near them so their reflections would be the first things they see?
Is this bullying?

>>149790460
Iris would still probably look good with black hair, but Beatrix's red eyes would clash too much with the blond and wouldn't look good.

>>149791235
Blonde hair and red eyes can be pulled off, but I'm not so certain Beatrix could make it work.

>>149789582
I want to heatpat her and make her hair messier!

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>>149791235
>>149792551
Would her daughter look more like Irisdina, or be a mini-Bea?

>>149792883
What does she smell like and how can Jurgen resist her scent?

>>149792883
Blue eyed mini-bea!

>>149783120
heh, don't worry that's it for that.

>>149784107
Lucky guy Theodor. Surrounded by kind boobs.

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>>149744406
Yuimouto is love, Yuimouto is life.

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>>149794062
YUIHIME

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HOW MANY?
O
W

M
A
N
Y
?

>>149794148
ALL OF THEM

>>149794148
At least 516 new Royal Guards with a fit man. 10x that if the male breeding her is Top Gun.

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>>149794062
>>149794109
>>149794148
>>149794264
>>149794326

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>>149794148
>Yui becomes a spinster
>Beatrix gets hero's knife stabbed through womb
>Yuuko doesn't have time for babbies
>Marimo can't hold down a man
>Ellen loses to Yuzu

What's up with ML and wasting semen demons?

>>149794519
>What's up with ML and wasting semen demons?
Since they already stab you, might as well twist that knife a bit.

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>>149794613
Stop being so sexy.

>>149794519
>Yui becomes a spinster
No indication of that, we just know she's still alive at that age tbqh.

>>149794613
No can do, that ass is too fine.

>>149794519
I always thought Theo stabbed her through the shoulder/boob.

>>149794613
No!

>>149794613
Stupid japanese doll!

>>149794872
I wish we had creative insults for the SMs. Actually, I kind of wished SM had been adapted first, because I don't think it would have killed hype like TE did.

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>>149794872

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>>149794872
Hello, Bridges

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>>149794872

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Where did it all go wrong?

>>149795171
This is a Yuimouto bully-free zone!

>>149795171
It's sad that despite all the quality, TE still looks more visually interesting then SM.

>>149795246
Speaking of which, I'm gonna probably do my fourth Winter seasonal re-watch of TE after Thanksgiving.

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>>149795227
Sorry

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>>149795347
Not canon.

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>>149795414
Lise is a better imouto.

>>149795448
>better "imouto"
>tries to "kill" her oniichan
>isn't actually his little sister on top of that
>better
Lisefag pls

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>>149795448
Why the fuck did you have to start shit? Goddamnit.

>>149795479
She never tries to kill him and saves his ass more times than he'll ever know and is a better imouto than most "real" ones. Not that I'm saying she's better than Yui specifically, just different.

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So after skimming through the routes, I feel like Iris's should be canon, not because it's the best route, but because it does the best job of wrapping up SM's story arcs, especially BiS's. Katia's route is kind of a letdown as exemplified by the lackluster final showdown, and Lise's route may be the best, but it's completely centered around Lise and ignores almost everything else. Irisdina's route just feels the most right, even if, like I said, it isn't the most fun route.

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I'm going to marry Yui, Cryska and Inia and take care of them for the rest of our lives together.

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>>149796298

>>149782592
No Gretel?

>>149796344
Nope

>>149795347
That scene is really romantic and cute. I want to hold Cryska as she buries her face into my shoulder.

>>149796298
You just want to be sandwiched.

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>>149798258
What a great feeling it would be. Being sandwiched and spoiled by my waifus.

>>149795580
>She never tries to kill him

>>149798577
She doesn't. Except for that one time she was brainwashed and literally couldn't control her own body, and she tried to kill herself afterward when she snapped out of it and saw she hurt him.

>>149789582
>>149792819
Bullying, both of you are.

>>149794148
None. She doesn't deserve happiness.

>>149794519
Yuuko will find time for babbies! With an American even!

Marimo will survive, and find finally her man!


Yui doesn't exactly become a spinster, and in any case, TE was supposed to have routes.

No helping Ellen I guess. Oh well.

>>149794872
Yuuya is a mess.

>>149786598
>;_;
Stop that

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>>149795227
No, bullying must go further.

Reminder that the only reason Stella doesn't look like she's actively fighting in the Yuuyabowl is because she wants to let Yui flail and try before swooping in for the kill.

>>149796344
Why would he? He despises Gretel and she despises him, and the rest of the crew. And she has a living boy too, of her own.

>>149797556
>>149795347
I can't explain why, but there was something about the flavor or Cryska's autismoe, that was just so RIGHT. Like, damn it felt good.

>>149799446
Another good TEfu. Blew Yui the fuck out.

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>>149797556
>>149799446

>>149799463
>Bullying, both of you are.
I do it, because I love her. Its my way to show affection. Besides wanting to beat up Theo.

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What changes would you do to make Gretel more likeable?

>>149800140
turn her into a dog.

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>>149800140
She is pretty likeable outside job, so none

>>149800218
But we already have Katia.

Do we really need another dog?

Yes

>>149800140
Get rid of her entirely. Practically everything about her makes her an extremely unlikeable murderous cunt. To fix her that much would turn her basically into not Gretel.

>>149796298
Didn't your apartment burn down? What are you doing back online?

>>149800140
Just make her a normal member of the squad and not a zampolit. The necessity of her job makes her unlikable, without it she's fine. She needs to chill a bit too. This part is just my opinion, but she's prettier with the ponytail and without the glasses.

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>>149800511
>no zampolits
That's not how communist armies work
also, the ponytail is ok, but the glasses stay

>>149800140
Give her bigger breasts.

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>>149800762
Already done

>>149796344
Gretel probably wouldn't put out for Theo even if he dated her.

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>>149800511
Without her job, she can't be on the 666th since she's such a shitty pilot that she'd be in one of the other more main squadrons. The only reason she's on the 666th is because as bad as she is, she's the most talented Party representative.

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>>149800596
I can actually go either way on the glasses, but I'm biased to her appearance without them since I'm weak to ponytails. At least she doesn't have ridiculous big circle frames like Chizuru or Michiru. I prefer the small square frames.

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>>149800596
Gretel is a very bad zampolit.

You cant make a unit "loyal to the party" and highly motivated by being mean to everyone, argue against more experienced squad leader and hate someone because of their background and nationality even tho they are your sister in arms against the enemy.

>>149800928
Who could have known that breast grows when exposed to fire and the hair on the head is cut short.

>>149800937
I understand you, I'm a meganefag after all. Her frame is actually on spot for the era, Look at Honecker, Jaruzelski and Allende for example

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Considering how hot Beatrix got since 1978, how turned on/quickly would it take for pic related to put his penis in her if he came back?

Or do you think he'd prefer cute teenage Beatrix over sexy Beatrix?

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>>149801055
>You cant make a unit "loyal to the party" and highly motivated by being mean to everyone

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Would Lise use her honeypot against Theo?

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>>149801172
Colored version of that when?

>>149801055
No one on the 666th gaves a shit about the party, that's why she is editing the reports all the time

Also, if they had to go by what actually a political officer did they have to go with

>Daily explain under the conditions of military life the policies of the SED, current political events, and the political and military tasks of members of the military and its civilian employees. This includes particularly building their confidence in the party’s policies and deepening their understanding of the relationship between socialism and peace, and of the peace strategies of socialism;
>Building the correct ideological positions necessary to fulfill the class duties of the members of the unit, to firm up their class thinking, feeling, and actions, as well as their will to fight and win. It also involves building up their political reliability and their military skills, as well as motivating them for the best possible accomplishments in political and military training as well as in doing their duty in combat. It also should encourage them to carry our their orders precisely, to act with discipline, and work toward greater accomplishments in socialist competition. In addition, it should popularize exemplary results and valuable experiences;
>It should always make people aware of the tremendous accomplishments of the Soviet Union, its communist party and its military forces in fighting for peace, and strengthen the will of the members of the unit to stand firmly with the Soviet army and the other fraternal armies, doing all they can to maintain and strengthen peace;
>It should reveal the hostile policies and aggressive forces of imperialism, especially its policies of confrontation and military buildup, and actively oppose attempts at ideological diversion by the class enemy.

Which it will be too dense, not that Gretel complains about it


>>149801172
>werewolves
>loyal to the SED

>Beatrix
>mean to everyone

go bait elsewhere

>>149776757
They already deleted it. Someone can't handle Ax's greatness.

>>149801913
>Schwarzesmarken
>edited by Superior-chan 14 hours ago
>Summary: Oh come on. You're allowed to have a waifu and be biased, but at least keep it to yourself.

>>149802167
Does Superior-chan mean that Ketchup is someone's waifu?

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>>149802215
Either that, or accusing him of anti-Katia bias (the two who worked on the changes were a Beatrixfag and an Irisfag).

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>>149796344
I'm sorry but not even the commissar was safe.

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>>149802737
Absolute madman