Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1737

>>149703670
>1737
You done goofed.

無核的に生まれ

>>149703703

#1734 >>149586018
#1735 >>149624597
#1736 >>149660878
#1737 >>149703670

>>149703769
ふかいわ

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>want to practice writing
>use core with stroke order font
>write down every word
>one hour later only like 40 words in

Fuck this is a time sink.

>>149703786
>#1736 >>149660878
That's where you're wrong, that's clearly thread number Bodhisattva.

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Will I really get better at listening if I just keep watching stuff even though I'm not really understanding much at all? Should I be getting more vocab or reading more before this? I would say I am pretty proficient at reading and have about 5k words in anki but have a really hard time understanding any normal spoken Japanese or TV shows. Anime for the most part is fine though.

Should I just keep listening to heaps of stuff? I don't want to feel like I'm wasting my time if doing all this listening won't give results.

>>149704055
You won't be able to understand what you're listening to if you don't know the grammatical patterns.

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>>149704079
DJT drops another holy nugget of wisdom

>>149703819
If i were to write kanji it would be easier having done this radical deck first
the stroke orders kinda have a nice pattern that feels good
after you get the general order then writing more of them doesnt really feel like more effort or time

It'll take at least 2,000 hours to approach the level of google translate.

Do you honestly think that google will be sitting idle during those 2,000 hours? No. By the time you reach the current google translate level, it'll have increased its accuracy even more, requiring an extra 1,000 hours on your part and so on.

You're never going to catch up. You might as well enjoy your free time instead of slaving away to learn a language which will soon be replaced by a phone app.

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>>149703786
Daily Japanese Thread DJT #不可説不可説転
Can autism be prayed out of the system or played out of the system?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vROGz4icf8g

>>149704218
sup OP

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>>149704218
どうもありがとうミスターロボット

>Have hundreds of new cards just waiting that ive mined
>Having done any new cards in almost two months cause too lazy to actually anki
I dont feel too bad since im still reading and listening constantly but how do I get my anki learning drive back?

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>>149704446
Do you need it back?

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>>149704218
>You might as well enjoy your free time instead of slaving away to learn a language which will soon be replaced by a phone app.
I never got the mindset, to be honest, despite it being expressed a fair bit on /a/ over the years.
Do you want to learn Japanese or do you want to read X in a language you already know?
The idea of reading the things I love reading in Japanese, in English, sounds fucking disgusting. A language is more than the sum of it's parts and while you may be able to "translate" a certain level of meaning, you'll never be able to translate the cultural context which gives the language a sense of value to and from the native speakers/users.
Imagine trying to "translate" pic related, especially the final panel on the bottom left, without taking away from a character trait which makes 京子 so amusing?
Such high level AI translation might be fine for general international business but fuck that idea for creative writing. It would be boiling all drawing and painting styles into a singular form.

>>149704446
>how do I get my anki learning drive back?
Got a timer of some sort? Open up Anki and set the timer up to 10 minutes. Force yourself to spend the entire time minutes without any other distractions entirely on Anki. Do that a couple of times over the next hour or so and before you know it you'll likely be more than on your way to have being both caught up and starting to get used to it again.

>>149704446
>how do I get my anki learning drive back
>cause too lazy to actually anki
Press 「Study Now」 and don't stop until you've finished. It's that simple.

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I accidentally deleted the picture of easy to read VN's with the pink background. Anyone have it?

>>149704517
>>>/wsr/
>>>/r/

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>>149704517

DJT達はお金持ちだよね

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1479030580007.webm

>>149704498
Not gonna be native level without it

>>149704510
Thats a decent idea since im completely retarded, ill try it tomorrow

>>149704636
>ill try it tomorrow
Why not now?

>>149704599
More takepan please

How to find out, when use を, when が with addition

>>149704636
>Not gonna be native level without anki
Bullshit.

>>149704706
ラジャ

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1479031663042.webm

ダメだこりゃ

日本語がわからないなら

日本の義務教育を英語にすればいいじゃない

With all i adjectives + desu
addition need be wth が?
Example: イタリア料理が　好きです

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>>149705087
イタリア料理を食べに行こう

だよ

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>>149703819
You should stop worrying about writing it neatly and just focus on the muscular memory part of it.
I do 200 reviews a day in core writing all words down (plus the 20 new words), and it takes me about 1 hour.

>>149705402
That spaghetti looks really out of place. Any idea on if that would be a drawing or a photo that was manipulated/had filters applied?

>>149705484
Your 時 is fucking terrible.

>>149704863
Best teacher

>>149705559
Well, those are from my first 20 days, I'm currently 324 days in.

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>Took me a month to memorise Hiragana
>Now to KataKana
Time for death

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>mining away
>liking the story
>realize anki isnt even open

>>149705613
It'll take you far less. Same sounds; just different characters

>>149705648
Am i being an idiot by trying to get Kana 90% memorised before i even start grammar?
I'm kinda lost desu

>>149705714
No, but you are an idiot for taking a month to do so.
Kana should take like a day at most.

Translate

トーンまで含めると1日くらいでしょうか？

>>149705829
>using imperative voice with strangers
rude

>>149705714
May I ask you how you're learning? Are you getting random exposure to the characters with one of those quiz programs?

I find alphabet learning works best with logically organized tables for me.

>>149705806
To get both tables effectively memorised?
doubt.png

>>149705964
A Mixture of tables, games and quiz thing like Anki - few pdf books as well

>>149705613
>>149705714
>>149706179
http://www.realkana.com/hiragana/

Spend a few hours on there. Do a row at a time until you feel comfortable with them, then add another row, etc.

>>149706275
Cool thanks

>>149705595
Write it again now

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>>149706845

>>149707073
What's your speed like for that?

>>149705571
Fuck off with the tripfaggotry and attention whoring.

>>149707125
Not very fast, but I don't need to be that careful. I tried to write this naturally, without overdoing it.

The main problem is not writing per se, but remember all the strokes before my hand catches up.

>>149707190
What are you talking about? He has TWO memeboards, we should all suck his enormous dick.

>>149707304
Fuck off.

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おはようおにいちゃん

おにいちゃん

うふふ

おにーちゃん

>>149707396
Fuck off tryhard.

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You faggots are so fucking dumb, I bet you can't even translate this.

>>149707613
Trick question, someone stole some radicals from 西暦

>>149707613
門潜, means shoving your face against the door.

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>>149707613
えどじだいの文化がのこってるんだね

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>>149707654
>>149707760
Pffffft wrong, I told you you wouldn't be able to do it.
It's obviously an arcade place where you can get sweets and shit

>>149707767
http://glyphwiki.org/wiki/zihai-050708

>>149707799
This manga is still ongoing? I thought capcom got buttflustered at it and it stopped

>>149707827
it was SNK not capcom, and they dropped the case so it's being continued

庭ほってたら

寛永通寶が出てきたことがあるよ

いなかでも貨幣が流通していたのかなー

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It's a good sign when the large majority of words you mine are labeled as N1, common word or not labeled at all.

>>149708042
I know this word!!!

>>149708042
>Only wanikani level 58

>>149707971
小判も？別の時代？

>>149705484
wew lad that's hella autistic

I like your style.

>>149708042
A lot of the most common grammar you come across while reading is N2 and N1 too

>>149708696
Give 5 examples

>>149708712
http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewList.php?lv=1

You can just go on there and scroll down and see hundreds of easy and common as fuck grammar constructs that you see while reading anything

>>149708783
Why are some of those not listed in rikai or mean something else? like
兼ねて - combine with

Also does this site have more grammar than http://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/ ?

>>149708905
Not sure, I don't really use that site I just knew it had lists of grammar by N on it

>>149704218
I don't get it, I must be missing something. Why would you post about translation programs in a thread where people want to be able to read IN Japanese?

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>>149708546
You call that paltry nonsense autistic?

>>149704218
Pretty much everyone here's already better than google translate, we can actually read and understand shit in Japanese, while google translate has to translate it into English, and having to read Japanese shit in English is exactly what we're striving to get away from

>>149708322
あたしの先祖さまのなかで一番出世した武士が

家康公の若いころに召し抱えられてたから

その生家には小判うまってるかもしれないとおもうよ

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>>149709183

>>149709183
>Practising calligraphy
Autistic/10

>Not staying within the lines
Not autistic in the slightest.

Weeaboo/10.

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>Weekend Anki

>>149709345
I go outside the lines because I have dysgraphia, therefore double autism

>tfw too smart to learn Japanese

Anyone 他 知る this 気持ち?

>>149709658
Do it tomorrow instead

>>149709970
>I am too smart to do anything
>end up being a filthy hiki NEET with zero ambition
>I am too smart for this shit, Gensokyo here I come!

>>149709972
That's a serious case of 出来ない you got there

>tfw too autistic to learn Japanese but want to learn Japanese
Anyone else know this pain?

>>149710129
I'm already 出来ている kedo

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>>149709183
Nigga, please.

My notebook is out of room, so I started doing it in loose leaves. I have recently started my third pen, this time it's blue.

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>>149710302
Can you actually see what you write when doing a kanji? Seems like it'd be hard to track the individual character you're working on.

>Writing over your previous work when there's all that blank space

>>149709970
i havent been here in a while but thats the first kanji ive seen in DJT that i could actually read that wasnt dekinai

also, how long on average would it take to be able to have a normal conversation in japanese?

>>149710580
Three weeks with intense training. One week if you're good with languages..

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>>149710525
I don't look at what I'm doing; as I stated here >>149705484 , it's all about the muscular memory.
That's why borders are hard to write on, I have to pay attention to it.

But here is a pic from when I actually look at my strokes.

>coloring all the blank space
Okay, we can be assburger pals.

Captcha: Calle Calle
What the fuck..

>>149710580
>also, how long on average would it take to be able to have a normal conversation in japanese?

About 10 minutes depending on the topic.

>>149710580
>also, how long on average would it take to be able to have a normal conversation in japanese?

A couple of months to ten years depending on what you mean by "normal conversation" and "be able to"

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Is going to graduate school in Japan a valid way of getting there?
By the time I graduate, I should definitely be at least N1 level, if not fluent.

>>149711164
man I love places like this, I want to live in Japan simply for the architecture. Both cities and villages look great, there's nature, beach and snow and a really good train system.. why is my country so shit

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>>149711221
There is something about Japanese buildings that makes them feel so comfy

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>>149711221
Japan is 美しすぎ

What's up with 田圃? I thought readings couldn't start with ん.

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>>149711164
>N1 level, if not fluent.

>>149711283
>All that fog and pollution
Sure that isn't a picture from China?

>>149710302
How can you stand to use biros? I find japanese writing has way too much lifting off from the paper for them to work properly, by the time the ink starts flowing your stroke is almost finished. Even if the ink manages to come out you have to press very hard as well, which makes those kanji with lots of little dots and dashes extra painful.

>>149711461
圃 isn't んぼ
田圃 is たんぼ

You can't necessarily break them up like that.

Look at 煙草. You can't just split that up into たば and こ (or た and ばこ).

>>149711461
That doesn't start with ん

>>149711558
That's called mist anon-kun

>>149711561
>>149711565
But 煙草 is gikun. I assumed 圃 was んぼ because the word is usually written as 田んぼ.

>>149711461
First time seeing this word written entirely with kanji.

>>149711560
Can't go wrong with Bic, rarely have any problems with ink flow.
It's better than using felt tipped pens, the moment that shit touches the paper, there is already an ink blot on the spot.

Ideally one would use fudepen, but ballpoint is the cheap solution.

But hey, what is the difference between drawing kanji and drawing the roman alphabet? There is a lot of lifting if you don't write using cursive, I've been doing that all my life.

>>149711620
The 圃 is just ホ and the 田 is たん, writing it as 田んぼ is just a weird variation, I guess because 田 is usually read as just た

>>149711663
>I guess because 田 is usually read as just た
Yeah, I guess this coupled with the fact that 圃 is hardly ever used would explain it. Thanks.

>>149711649
You should at least to be able to do a basic kind of cursive. Didn't they teach you anything like that at school?
The main problem is that biros expect your pen to be in contact with the paper for much longer as they are with roman letters and most other alphabets, whereas kanji expect you to lay down a rapid fire of little dots and squiggles that can easily suck all the ink off the ball without rolling it along. If you write big enough though I guess it wouldn't be a problem. In fact, if you're writing into that giant inky mass anyway then how would you even know if the ink wasn't flowing? You might as well be writing with a cocktail stick.

Anime is bad for you.

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>tfw anime has lost most of its appeal now that you understand what's being said

>>149712750
Opposite for me, it's now much more fun. Subs are dry as heck

>>149712750
It's pretty much been the opposite for me be it anime, manga or VN.

I never stop being amazed at how badly things get translated when I compare the raw with the translation, especially in the case of manga.

>>149712750
JAV is the next step.

>I heard わたくし more than わたし when I lived in Japan
t. Steve

Could he really be fluent? Maybe he just loves わたくし?

>>149712844
It was debunked last thread that Steve has never reached fluency in Japanese. His level is probably N3 at best.

>>149712844
Wasn't he working at an embassy or something? I would expect diplomats to use わたくし a lot actually, just like politicians on TV

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What?

I hate when it does that.

灰色
鼠色
グレー
Which one should I use if I want to be one of the cool 僕 kids?

>>149712358
Well, if you look at >>149707073 and >>149710648 , you'll see it flows normally.

Yeah, I learned cursive, but dropped it when I was 10 because my calligraphy was getting impossible to read.

>>149713261
Anonだけできない

>>149713507
Ａｎｏｎしかできません。

>>149713507
But all my answers were correct.

Am I so much of a できない I'm wrong even when right?

>>149713507
Speaking of だけ. I've played a couple games, most notably Fire Emblem, where the MC says something like
>お前だけは絶対に許さない！
to the bad guys. What the fuck does it even mean here?

Ok, so I'm dumb and I can't for the life of me download things from mega. How did you guys do it? Please?
Ps: I have tried http://nicoblog.org/guides/fix-for-mega-nz-bandwidth-quota-exceeded-error/ but it doesn't work on multiple folders

>>149713679
Make an account?

I only happened once to me and I just assumed someone at my house had used mega a lot. It went away the next day.

>>149713603
どうして丁寧語？

>>149713735
I did make an account but it still limits the bandwidth quota... Maybe it has something to do with where I live? I guess I'll try vpns later

>>149713793
私達は全員可愛い少女ですから、当然でしょう？

>>149713810
Use ToR if what you want isn't too big. That's what I did the day it did that to me. Using ToR to download shits isn't a popular idea though as you're using the bandwidth of everyone.

>>149713261
This makes me depressed. There was a nice site that covered this (and other stuff) that now seems to require a login to access.

>>149713603
ｗｗｗｗｗ

>>149712924
Doesn't he read novels and histories in every language he learns?

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So how do you guys do your typing? Did you all buy Japanese keyboards?

>>149714321
Yeah, man. A jap keyboard is a must. You can get a cheap one for like 50 bucks.

>>149714321
Google IME

ESL here. What's a good translation to けち（けちんぼ）？

By good I mean natural. I'm French and here we'd say "radin", but none of the stuff rikai shows me sound natural or common at all.

Please give me good English translations.

>>149713261
そんなどうでもいい課題やらないほうがいいから気にしないで練習になることをやってほしいなあ。本を読んだりアニメを見たりしたほうが練習になるから今の問題とかやめてよｗｗ

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>>149714321

>>149714383
You really have no business translating to English when you don't even know it, but what else can you expect from Frenchies?

>>149714383
Miser, stingy motherfucker, cheapskate.

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>>149714321
I only have the main keyboard right now but I'm saving to buy the whole set and pedals hopefully by next year

>>149714546
Would "stingyhead" be ok or just plain weird?

Anyway cheers.

>>149714549
Wish I could afford to buy one, really sucks having to keep using google translate to type in Jap, makes me wish I wasn't a NEET

Did you guys really say this?

>>149714596
Sounds childish. Might as well just change the sentence to use "stingy" as an adjective.

>瞬間移動

I love it when Japanese words make sense.

anyone gonna take the JLPT tests?

>>149715283
Kinda reminds me of 念動

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Post kanjigrids

I want to stroke your ちいき.

>>149715909
How do you have that many blue kanji already?

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>can read manga in Japanese at a good pace
>still choose to read manga in english to enjoy it more
I really should just start reading shit in Japanese now, especially if its as simple as 5cm/s

>>149712924
Stop trying to force this.

>>149716071

How exactly is it forced? Steve probably wouldn't even be able to read flyable heart without constant reference.

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>>149715909
Steadily making my way to 2800

>>149716015
I haven't read manga in English once in my entire life, never gave a fuck about it before I started having to read it for practice

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>>149715909
I'm getting there.

How to read small pixel kanji?

>>149716711

Guessing from the context.

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>>149715909
I know you need to know around 50,000 kanjis to read newspapers, but do you think I can try something simple like Yotsubato yet?

>>149716711
From the general shape, the characters around it and the context

>>149716771
Yotsubato uses around 6000 kanzis I think. You're almost there.

Hi guys,

I'm very concerned about the current state of the DJT IRC channel. Over the last few months, the channel has become very desolate, with only about 50 inactive lurkers remaining. At its peak, the used to have over 200 users in there engaging in regular conversion and fun Japanese banter. I can't even remember when I last saw anyone talking in there.

Please, I appeal to you. Let's save our haven on the internet. Let's bring back the glory days of old. Let's make the channel great again. The future of the channel really lies in your hands. In everyone's hands.

#l/a/nguage @ irc.rizon.net

>>149716015
>still choose to read manga in english to enjoy it more
I can't even enjoy reading manga in English any more.

>>149716902
I've been browsing DJT for two years and I didn't even know we had an active IRC channel.

With that said no thanks but good luck.

>>149716902
>IRC in 2016
You can just go to the Discord and ask stuff in the learn_japanese channel, it's alive at least https://discordapp.com/invite/Z6skErt

>>149716015
This here >>149716927, how the fuck can you even enjoy manga in English in the slightest?

My guess is your Japanese level is horrendous even though you believe the opposite. If you could actually read manga in Japanese at a "decent pace" and thus enjoying them as such there is no way in hell you would continue to suffer through unpure English translations.

>>149716980
>reddit discord
jesus wept

>>149716985
Its mostly because i haven't taken the jump yet, and not knowing a word or two (which will happen) can really break a narrative.
Also its a lot harder to find decent raws than English scans if its not on the CoR

>>149717125
Just have a long list of stuff you want to read, and read. It gets better after a few manga completed.

>and not knowing a word or two (which will happen) can really break a narrative.
This will never stop, more or less, I hope you're aware of this. That's part of learning Japanese, so if you're already tired of doing this now perhaps you should question whether learning Japanese is for you or not.

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>>149716980
Firstly, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Secondly, visual novels? Does this board look like /jp/ to you?
Thirdly, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>149717125
>and not knowing a word or two (which will happen) can really break a narrative
So look the words up. Things like kanjitomo and ORC manga reader exist for reading manga on both desktop and android with relative ease.
>Also its a lot harder to find decent raws than English scans if its not on the CoR
What are you after if it isn't in the CoR? I get that you should read what you want but just how narrow are your preferences if there isn't more than enough manga in the CoR?

>>149717250
lol

>>149717223
>This will never stop, more or less, I hope you're aware of this. That's part of learning Japanese, so if you're already tired of doing this now perhaps you should question whether learning Japanese is for you or not.
I understand this. Its more out of fear than anything. I fear of not being able to enjoy something to its fullest if I don't read it in English. Like you said, I really should just jump into it and get used to it.

>>149717250
I found raws for 秒速5センチメートル on Nyaa, so that isn't a problem right now, but I usually just come across a title that looks interesting and try to read it rather than browsing lists such as the CoR.
OCR is a pain in the ass though.

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Whenever I read something, I don't know half the kanji.

I think I really need 50000 kanji before reading lol.

>3 weeks until JLPT N1
>reading VNs and watching TV shows instead of studying
Fug

>>149717413
>I fear of not being able to enjoy something to its fullest if I don't read it in English.
Well, to give you an idea, for me (and I'm sure for most anons in this thread now) it's the complete opposite : I refuse to read translations because I won't get to enjoy the thing as it should be enjoyed.

So yeah, read. Make it a goal to read 1 volume a day for example.

>>149717491
How do you read manga exactly? Manga isn't reading, don't delude yourself please.

>そう、夢は逆夢

What in gods name does this mean?
Song lyrics are pure chaos.

>>149717489
>tfw just been doing anki recently
I deserve to fail

>>149717528
I wonder what goes through the mind of people when they decide to force memes on anonymous anime boards.

Let me guess you're also the one trying to force the "Steve is N3" meme?

>>149717648
You're the only one that's gonna be N3 for life if you don't start reading.

>>149717534
If I had to guess the singer realized that the dream was just a dream (because he woke up to reality).
Like you dream of being an astronaut but then you realize that there is no way an English teacher in Japan who masturbates to loli nukige in his free time will ever be an astronaut.

>>149716771
Are there both kanjis and hanzis in there? That's cheating. You gotta choose one or the other

Also
>including radicals

>>149717680
The "official" translation says
>Dreams aren't predictions of the future.

>>149715979
I had already done a couple 2k decks that weren't in the guide like 2 years ago. Those decks had separate cards for vocab and sentences so I don't really know 4k, but I knew at least 500 kanji, and ~2000 words. Now that I'm doing the "optimized" 6k deck from the guide, I can hit easy on the stuff I already know.

>>149716771
You are already dekiru, friendo

じゃなくて
vs
じゃない

I see the て form used with this sometimes and I can't figure out why. It seems like if I replaced the two it wouldn't change anything.

Did I fuck up by doing RTK?

>>149718279
Yeah you should have done Kanjidamage

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>>149718302
>Kanjidamage
>Benis Vajayajy :3 uhh so random

>>149716771
This is funny because I can relate.
1600 kanjis in, no reading practice done.

Although kanji count doesn't mean shit when it comes to Yotsuba, it's all informal grammar and there is furigana everywhere.

>>149718172
You use て to connect sentences, saying じゃなくて on its own just makes it sound less abrupt, and implies that there's some follow up information or whatever

>>149718279
>Did I fuck up by doing *learning method*?
If it works for you then no, if it made you want to quit then yes

>>149718336
>My only argument against this resource is me being an autist and shitposting

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>>149718279
You should be learning WORDS

>>149718345
＞informal grammar
Ｗｈａｔ　ｄｉｄ　ｈｅ　ｍｅａｎ　ｂｙ　ｔｈｉｓ。

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>>149718390
At least it's an argument against it, while you have literally none for it.

Checkmate anon.

>>149718390
He's right, though, I find the idea of thinking about farts and dicks every time I try to read a book inadequate, to say the least.

>>149718503
There are a bunch of benefits of using KD over RTK

-Lists vocab that use the kanji and shows how the kanji influences the meaning
-Shows what particles are used with what vocab and what situations they're used in
-Details how similar kanji and vocab have different nuances
-Has tags to indicate how some kanji and vocab have different usage rules
-Has more consistent radicals than RTK has
-Has more accurate english keywords
-Has less obscure kanji than RTK has
-Uses more modern language
-Includes readings and indicates how common they are (although sometimes he's completely wrong)
-Incorporates the readings into his mnemonics alongside the meaning and radicals
-Has arguably better mnemonics in general, even if you want to make the argument "he used a rude word!!"

>>149718875

Or you could just read more lol.

>>149718875
Sounds like a wanikani ripoff to me.

>>149718279
Dunno what does RTK teach you?
RTK doesn't teach you meaning, reading, radicals and gives example vocabulary at once does it?

Cause I think you need all that to remember your shit and use it, mnemonics alone won't help imo.

>男の娘
>ニューハーフ
Good to know

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DJT in a nutshell

>>149719061
ワロタ

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>>149719061
We're all clever bastards?

Thanks so much for the compliments anon.

>>149719061
>[ve] and [in] are connected for not apparent reason
I hate inconsistency.

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>>149718875
KKLC is better than both. It's meaty but at the end of it you will know the fuck out of your kanji.

lol at people who need to do a program just to be able to recognize shapes. i learned how to do that in preschool haha.

>>149719669
more like nursery school, haha

or as a baby with toys

what does 一本いっとく mean

>they weren't writing kanji on their mother's uterine lining

can't

>>149719537
Yeah I've heard good things about it, just haven't used it myself so I can't say, all I know is that kd is miles better than rtk

>>149705484
>muscular memory
Just imagined a monstrous, veiny brain doing Anki reps.

I believe the term is "muscle memory".

>>149716771
>50,000 kanjis to read newspapers
wwww

>>149718875
>>149719979
You're a retard because you start off your argument implying one cannot use any other tools while doing RTK, just the book, which is not how one should be doing RTK.

So basically according to you, simply because KD or KKLC have more or less everything already built in they're strictly better than RTK; in other words, they take up one Firefox tab instead of 3 or so. That's backward thinking and if you can't understand why you should abstain from trying to teach others.

>>149720376
＞即尺
Why is Rikai so shit?

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Kill me

>>149719061
worst calligraphy ever

>>149720810
Can I just kill that awful font instead?

I have a japanese coreplus deck that I downloaded ages ago, but I don't know where I downloaded it from. Do you guys have any idea? It has 25k cards

>>149720577
Well sure but it's just more convenient having all that information together

And it's not just better because of all that additional shit, just the pure kanji teaching aspect is done better in KD as well

I have ascended from the need to learn japanese. Once, formerly, I was weak. I thought that, there is a will to learn and japanese, and there is not.

Now I see a third way. The way of the will to not. And from this will to not, I will not become what formerly once was, and in surpassing this former bondage, overcome Japanese itself.

Only I can learn Japanese.

>>149722116
日本語で

>>149722176
No.

>>149714623
>using google translate to type in Jap
I really hope this was trolling.

>>149722247
Of course it was. Any advanced Japanese learner will have his own Word document with all vocabulary he knows and the romaji transcription/definition to the side, so he can Ctrl+F it in English and copy/paste the kanji into their messages.

Things are so more practical that way, and you don't have to rely on Google's ambiguous list of synonyms.

I'm not convinced I can learn Japanese. I've been reading for a month and it doesn't feel like I've become better.

>>149722441
Tell us more.

>>149722441
It takes years fag you're not gunna notice one month

>>149722441
Then give up. No one is going to hold your hand. If you're having doubts only a month in then you probably don't have what it takes.

>>149722380
I think I'll be switching to that method but how do I write the Japanese for the list?

>>149722441
>1 month
>cant go anymore

Give up now before you waste your time.

>>149722623
You have to copy it out of games, why do you think people use text hookers?

>>149722623
You copy it from a dictionary, Anki or Google Translate itself.

>want to read spicy wolf at work
>but pictures of a naked wolf girl won't exactly help my political and social standing in the company

So I've been thinking of sending a spicy-wolf pdf to a bookbinding service for a fancy looking leather hardcover with all images removed


on a scale from maybe to retarded, how well would this work

>>149722441
Did you read every day for at least an hour? If so you should at least be able to notice a difference by comparing your reading speed, since it's the very beginning.

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Will you give me head pats when I pass the N1, DJT?

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>>149723063
>>149723073
please upload you list

>>149723246
Sure, but you're not gonna pass.

>>149723246
If you're Kyoko then sure

>>149723293
Pretty sure I am. I already passed it once already.

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>>149723063
BEWARE OF MINING FROM GAMES.

Because of the limitations of 8-bit gaming fonts, they simplified a lot of kanji, reducing their stroke count. These forms appear only in RPGs and whatnot.

It wasn't until I had already mined around 600 kanji that I noticed the difference and had to start over.

>>149723255
That would be silly, you need to build it based on your own vocabulary. If not, a dictionary is more useful than an anon's random list.

>>149723144
How many lewd images are there in a typical volume, though? Surely, you'd be better off buying a fucking fancy book cover and just reading fast on the occasional page next to a lewd image. Or you could just get a kindle and edit them out that way.

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Will the N2 get me out of having to take Spanish in Uni?

>>149723144
There are leather hardcovers out there you can buy which hide and protect whatever book you're reading.

It's useful is you commute via bus, train or metro and don't want people to stare at the cover of whatever manga/LN you're reading.

>>149723342
You just want a better score to look good in case the company checks how much you got or what?

>>149723382
>It wasn't until I had already mined around 600 kanji that I noticed the difference and had to start over.
That doesn't make sense, I don't get it... it's not like you can input some sort of simplified Kanji outside of retro-games.

Please explain, else you're just trolling.

How does the anki developer get money to pay the servers? it doesn't seem profitable.

>>149723452
>>149723429
>oh wow anon, what language is that
>>j-japanese
>looks interesting, mind if I look through that book?
>>NO

>始め
beginning, start
>初め
beginning, first

It's a long road anons.

>>149723557
>>>looks interesting, mind if I look through that book?
"Psh, why? It's all gibberish to you".

Seriously, who the fuck would want to flip through a book in a language they don't know?

what books did you guys use for grammar? i read through JTMW but didnt retain enough and i dont really want to read it again

>>149723619
Oh, what about
>hey fag, what u reading there
>proceeds to rip from hands
>what the fuck...

>>149723633
People seem to love Genki a lot. Even though I don't.

If you are having problems retaining, then just take it easy and make sure you build a grammar deck where you steadily introduce the key points you learned.

Basic grammar is more important than hugely spreading your vocabulary right now, so just take it easy and make sure you understand shit.

Alternatively you can just not give a shit about anything and just go read till you eventually understand. Which is a shit approach for someone who doesn't have basic grammar in my opinion.

I know that I'm most certainly overthinking it, but is it okay that after a month and a half of japanese I can't comprehend anything past 4 word sentences? It is either way too fast or maybe it's because of an insufficient vocabulary. It is important to mention that by a month and a half I mean it fully, like I know over 200 kanji and somewhere over 500 words...i've never counted the words. Anyway, it may be just that I expect too much out of my own capabilities, but is this like a too slow progress I'm making? I can understand shit like 新世界の神だ！when Light says it death note for example, but that's kinda my limit. Am I dumb? Or am I just too anxious to see results in a language that requires patience to be fully understood? Btw, I have a basic understanding of grammar too...

>>149723981
>It is either way too fast
Native speaking is often way, way too fast for people who have just started studying. If everything you're saying is correct, you're doing pretty damn well for just 45 days. Keep it up.

>>149723897
>Basic grammar is more important than hugely spreading your vocabulary right now, so just take it easy and make sure you understand shit.
Using Genki as an example, I prefer memorizing every word of a chapter before reading about the grammar. It's much easier to understand the grammar when I already know the words being used in the examples.

>>149723981
4 word sentences in spoken japanese forgot to add

Thanks for mentioning KKLC, dudes. I'm actually pretty excited about getting the book for it. It'll feel great to finally get that kanji practice in.

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Is this someone from here?

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>>149724272
That didn't come from here

>>149724025
Well thanks, it's really nice to hear that I am not really that much behind. I usually listen to streamers talking and it sounds like a mess, even if I can figure out some words. Can it be that I have to grow accustomed to all the conversational patterns in order to understand it? I mean sometimes even if I do understand a sentence, I still have to think about it for a while to make sense of it.

>>149723897
i have the jtmw deck but havent been using it. the very very basic grammar stuff i remember, its just the specific stuff i have trouble with

i might read through genki then give yotsuba another shot after i gain some more vocab too

>>149724410

You're trying to run before you can crawl. Learn to read first.

>>149724272
Are you playing League on JP servers?

How are Japanese generally behaving in that game? Better than in the West are is LoL to the core a game that just makes everyone an asshole?

is 世界 one of the most mistranslated words? (or do they really mean "world" in the most awfully dramatic way?)

>>149724592
What?

>>149724417
>the specific stuff
Give us a few examples.

Also, build your own deck boyo. Add stuff as you see them, and don't just add the major points, add the specific stuff too. Don't expect Genki to magically teach you everything either, get in the habit of creating your cards and put your memorization skills to work. Make that shit sink in.

>>149724272
>playing the worst moba
>playing a moba at all

>>149724516
I think it's better said that i'm trying to learn to do both at the same time, even if I know I won't get anywhere like that. About reading...is anki that important? I mean right now I have a steady influx of new words daily from all over the place that actually can/may help me eventually. When I tried to use anki the first word that came was ministry of foreign affairs ffs...and that really put me off. I have like a ton of books home summing over 1600 pages and I am constantly working from them. Should I really invest time into anki too? If yes than I will gladly do it as long as I know it helps me.

>>149724798
It's not Anki's fault if you got yourself a shit deck. Try optimized 2k6k, Should be in the resources.

>>149724798

I think anki is a good supplementary tool but don't put it on a pedestal.

>>149724876
Okay then, thanks a lot! I'll have a look at it.

>>149724949
>don't put it anki on a pedestal.
What does this meme even mean? Who is even doing that?

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>>149724977
Dusting off my anki after a while, this should be interesting.

>>149725066

I'm reflecting on my own stupid mistakes. It's easy to see the numbers increasing on anki and get satisfaction from it and get a false sense of improvement and neglect reading. Now I've become more serious and read during every moment of free time I have that's not spent jerking off. You don't really know what a word means just by seeing the english definition on anki.

>>149724569
haven't gotten to level 30 yet but so far it seems like most people don't talk. On the other hand when they do talk the toxicity seems worse sometimes with a crazy amount of pinging.

>>149711557
If I'm not fluent in four years then I might as well kill myself.

>>149725491
Might aswell off yourself now if you didn't plan on spending 4 years learning only Japanese in that school

>>149725491
If you do nothing but that sure, but I'm sure plenty of people started 4 years ago but aren't fluent yet because Japanese hasn't been the main or sole things they'd do on a daily basis.

I think it doesn't matter how long it takes you as long as you're having fun.

>>149725663
Oh, I'm not learning Japanese in school. I'm talking about going to graduate school for another subject (for me, it would be astrophysics)

>>149725681
I should probably mention that I'm already close to N2 level. At least I should be.

トランプわ地上最強の男だ。

>>149725746
And what I'm saying is you won't be fluent if you don't spend 4 years just learning Japanese

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>>149725829
>わ
Every time.

白魔たちなんで踊り続けているのだろう

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8I0GVWoaDM

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おはようおにいちゃん

おはようおにいちゃん

だいじなことだから

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I love this language for making me feel like a wizard when I read long strings of runes.

>>149725229
>read during every moment of free time I have that's not spent jerking off
Why haven't you started fapping exclusively to untranslated eromanga for maximum efficiency?

>>149725225
>he fell for the "set your interface to japanese" meme

>>149726317
たいようけいでんぱしんぶんぶへんしゅうちょうすいぜんじくにひろ

だよ。何がむずかしいの？

>>149726328

I end up ignoring the text and just jerk off to the pictures. That's even the case for english translated shit too though.

>>149726388
オマエのくだらない話を聞くことはとてむず爆笑

>>149726388
難しくないからこそ妙な満足感があるのよ

>>149725229
>You don't really know what a word means just by seeing the english definition on anki.
So put a Japanese definition on the card.
Fuck off mate you probably don't even study Japanese. The anons who make fucking stupid posts about Anki, which shows they likely haven't even fucking used the program, are also the ones who tend to not even be learning Japanese and just use these threads for off topic shitposting.

Fuck off idiot. Your strawman is painfully unconvincing.

どうして「別」に「の」がつけられる

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>watch random poe video in Chinese
>realize I know what 塑者之域 means because I did the KanjiDamage+ deck

individual kanji study after you've built up a solid vocab base is pretty helpful

>>149727416

Lol, are you mad because you've wasted countless hours of your life on lie instead of actually learning? 可哀想ですね～

>>149727416
>tend to not even be learning Japanese and just use these threads for off topic shitposting.
is this even a thing?

>>149704237
>不可説不可説転
This can't be real.

>>149727526
Not him but are you seriously starting a post with "lol you mad"? Have some self respect.

>>149723447
Depends on uni. At mine they didn't respect japanese certificates so I had to take english.

>>149727501
i spy a chrome to vendor

>>149727416
Is it just you who posts "fuck off" in these threads?
Anyone who makes a post about Anki and its weaknesses seems to categorically get a single "fuck off" reply pretty much every time. It's always "fuck off," only one post, and nothing else, so it's getting hard to see multiple faces behind the charade.

>which shows they likely haven't even fucking used the program
People who haven't used the program don't make posts about the negative consequences of sinking their time into it. Open the window and have a glass of water or something. "Fuck off" shitposters need a breather.

>>149727683

>self respect on an anonymous board

Man, ankidrones are like hornets. You kick the nest once and they all come buzzing out. I guess it can't be helped. If I wasted hours of my life on nothing I'd be mad and in denial too.

>>149727772
>"Fuck off" shitposters need a breather.
Every shitposter needs to leave. Not just that particular shitposter.

This general is a fucking meme center by now.

>>149727828
>ankidrones
I'm not involved in your conversation and I don't give a fuck about neither side. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is to come here and make a "lol u mad" post. I mean this site is 18+ you know?

>>149727772
fuck off

>>149727926

fuck off

>>149719852
The verb probably depends on what the 本s are, but いっとく is short for いっておく
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/teform#part5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oChquACGFs

Is this what we look like to the Japs when we speak Nip

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anki is pretty cool

Only 30 mins of vocab today. I think I made it.

>>149726317
あるある

>>149728134
かっこいい

>>149728134
no bc their english is better than your japanese could ever be

>>149728134

すごっこいい

>>149728343
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0sSRnS745qh

Today I did Anki for 33 minutes, then I read a light novel for 41 minutes and a visual novel for 1 hour and 24 minutes.

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>>149728134
かっちょいい！僕も英語を話せるようになりたいなぁ (´• ω •`)

>>149728415
かっこいい

>>149728486
What light novel?

ニュージーランドのあのんくん

だいじょうぶ？けがしてない？

>>149728415
http://vocaroo.com/i/s09o1YqYPPgw

>>149728415

すごっこいい

>>149728415
Oh god are you the portuguese guy again

>>149728576
なんか呪われた

>>149728756
Think he was Brazilian. We have a LOT of those in this general.

>>149728804
I meant language wise not location wise

>>149728575
俺はもう死んでる

>>149728756
Nope I haven't posted one of those before

to me everyone itt is br filthy frankly

>>149728995

haha you like filthy frank too? he's pretty good at japanese.

I wonder if Sakura is also Brazilian. That would explain so much.

>>149729088
シルカボケ

>>149729198

不躾なもん。。。

Anyone else feel a bit もののあわれ when hitting good or easy on a card with an interval of 1 year+?

i feel more like this youtu.be/_bqokzaAdnY#t=242

>>149728415
酷いのはお前の日本語だ

>>149728919
ニュージーランド

ひがいでてない？でも

いのるないのればてがふさがる

>>149729641
~ omae mona ~