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Why is SSb Vegito so weak

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Why is SSb Vegito so weak
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Bad writing. They shouldn't have Goku and Vegeta eat Senzu beans. That way they could have a powerful Vegito ligitimately struggle against Zamasu and still have Trunks get the spotlight.
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He was wrecking Zamasu though.
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They literally had no idea how to make him not disintegrate Zamasu. So they put a time limit that was never there before and some random rule that breaking the potara earrings with too much power would dispel the fusion.
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>>149705003
super has no tension
why did they give goku a call-god-now button? this alone removes any suspense, if there was any
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So Potara fusion just burned up since SSB just used it as fuel?

I wonder how would SSB work on Gogeta though.
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Ok, I want to watch Dragon Ball entirely, what's my best route
>Dragon Ball in Japanese(might need a guide to know if there's any episodes I should skip)
>Dragon Ball Kai(I've already seen the old Funimation dub and I prefer the redone voices and OST of Kai to the original Japanese)
>Battle of Gods, Revival of F, Super

Is there any specials/movies I should bother watching? Seen most of the Z movies in English already.
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>>149705786

All the movies, they are entertaining.
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>>149705854
>bio broly
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>>149705003
>some random rule that breaking the potara earrings with too much power would dispel the fusion
wut?
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>>149702289
>>149702385
>Why is SSB Vegito so weak


Why are you so stupid? Like Buu Vegito was toying with him. SSB uses too much energy, far more than Gogeta SSJ4 despite being able to control Ki better, thus the potara didn't last long. He could have killed Zamasu but it was fitting for Trunks to get the last shot.

>I wonder how would SSB work on Gogeta though.
Won't even last 1 minute.
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>>149705957
>He could have killed Zamasu

Stop with the headcanon, he hit him with a Spirit Sword then a Final Kamehameha and it didn't do shit
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>>149705907
The confirmed that only the Kai's can fuse permanently, normal mortals can fuse for 1 hour. So this fixes the whole defusing during the Buu era and once again confirms that Old Kai is full of shit
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>>149705986
>Stop with the headcanon, he hit him with a Spirit Sword then a Final Kamehameha and it didn't do shit

The spirit sword hit his Immortal side and Final Kamehameha did Damage against Zamasu. Stop being a fucking cuck
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>>149706033
>Final Kamehameha did Damage against Zamasu

What are you on about? He tanks it and immediately flies up and yells "this is a god!", it didn't do shit
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>>149702289
Because he is a cheap character. Actually I'm not even sure he even counts as a character.
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>>149702289
Because Vegito was always weak shit. If you want results you need to drop the jewelry and bring out the fusion who can get shit done.
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>>149706097
>fusion is dumb
>toriyama came up with TWO ways to fuse

The hell? Did the editors tell Toriyama to make the animators job easier?
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Super isn't canon. One day you'll learn that.
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He's not. He was beating the shit out of an immortal God
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>>149706184
Nah, Toriyama came up with Vegetto because he didn't want to use Gogeta due to the movies already having used him.
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>>149706264
The more you know.

Also this was hands down the best DBZ movie ever made.
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>>149702289
Whut? He was toting with him the whole time. He was also so fucking strong they diffused way faster than what was stated in the episode.
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>>149702289
this chapter was surprisingly good, animation and dialogue as well.

I can even forgive the "hurr potara fusion lasts only 1 hour for ningen" retcon bullshit.

And btw vegito was pummeling Zamasu, so no weak at all (apart from the general underpowering DBS in general has got with respect to Z).
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>>149705003
Didn't they do some similar shit in GT? SSJ4 failing to kill the dragon because "muh hax power magically reduces fusion time, didn't I tell you?"
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>>149706097
It's been stated in the series that fusion via dance is weaker than fusion via potara.
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>>149705786
Watch the 153 DB episodes and DBZ until the end of the Frieza saga and you will have seen the best of DB.
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>>149705003
>DB Vegeta swear to never use the potara to fuse with Goku ever again
>use them again in Super
I guess siayan pride is a thing that only matters when the writers feel like it.
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>>149706008
>universe 10 has based Gowasu
>we have to toe the line with fucking Old Kai

universe 7 is a joke.
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>>149706384
its always about the genkidama

even in this very episode, this blue ball was still energy from all the people around the world that trunks fused with, so technically a genkidama as well
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The episode was kind of shit, like the rest of Super, but that Trunks bit brought a tear to my eye. It was almost like when Goku got mad and went SSJ for the first time.
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When are we getting Trunks and Mai kids?
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>potara fusion only lasts for an hour for ningen
>less if they put some effort into it

so potara fusion has now pretty much replaced the fusion dance, yeah?

kinda wanted to see vegito beat the shit out of zamasu a little more
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>>149702289
He didn't even use his full power.
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>>149707523
retard, he went SSB mean he already playing the strongest card from beginning. Super Saiyan tranformation always the thing that could turn tide any battles before super exists
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>>149706008
Shit retcon is shit. The fusion in the Buu saga was dispelled; for whatever reason; because they were eaten by Buu. It was always permanent.
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Because he's not Gogeta
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>no you stupid ningen, potara is better than fusion dance! No timelimit bullshit!
>lmao jk it's the same thing!
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>>149705957
>g-guys Vegito is stronger than Gogeta I s-swear
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>>149706459
Literal nakama shit ending. Bankai and everything.

What the hell do they spend time training for?

Why didn't Trunks just get magically topped off against the Androids and Cell in the first place?

Dumb kiddy shounen same as the rest of'em.
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>>149705957
>SSB uses too much energy
Which is why it's the only SSJ form that allows for Kaio Ken.
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>>149702289

>Destroyed a double fused half-immortal god with ease
>So powerful that even magic fusion can't contain his power for the allocated time
>weak

Trunks' spirit saiyan mode might have had the advantage because of those whole "spirit energy is effective against evil" crap, but that doesn't mean Vegito is weak. He might actually be the strongest character in the franchise to date.
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>>149711050
>strongest character
Fucking doubtful with the GoDs around. Even more so with Whis, vados, and the fuckmothering grand priest
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One of the gods of destructions is surely a cute purple haired trapcat?
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vegito>>>>>>>>>fused zamasu
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>>149707523
Potara is basically useless if the fight is supposed to last more than a minute.

Fusion Dance can last much longer than Potara now. I dont even understand what the point of Potara now, other than skipping the dance part, which gave it the charm.
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>>149711250
The angels are one thing, but according to Whis' comment (Goku + Vegeta could beat Beerus if they worked together), Vegetto should be able to defeat Beerus at least.
Though Whis might have said that just so Beerus doesn't start slacking. His powerlevel always remains doubtful, what with the "SSG Goku = 70% of Beerus' full power" thing Whis mentioned and whatnot.
I think Whis is talking a lot of bullshit.
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>>149705957
>Being this much of a faggot

>>149709506
Gogeta isn't even real, boi. There's literally no reason for Vegeta to know the Fusion Dance
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>>149702289
Sooooo... is Merged Zamasu immortal or not? He got stabbed by Vegito and survived, what does it mean?
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>>149702289
Is everyone ignoring that they mentioned like twice or so that Vegito beating up Zamazu made Zamazu weaker? That is why regular Trunks + Genki Dama was able to beat Zamazu
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>>149711687
He's already seen Goten/Trunks do fusion dance plenty of times so I doubt its hard to imagine Vegeta wondering what the results would be like with fusion dance.
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>>149711770
He was slowly becoming less and less inmortal.
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>>149711592

Whis said that Goku and Vegeta working together might be able to beat Beerus. Fused it another story, their power is obscenely higher after that.

I find it hard to believe the power difference between Beerus and Goku is larger than the power difference between Vegito and Goku.
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>>149711997
>Goku is able to overpower Zamasu if he tries really hard
>Vegito is able to overpower Zamasu if he tries slightly hard
The difference is minor. Vegito is weak shit.
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>>149711334
Nope.
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>>149711997
If Whis is to be trusted, Vegetto should be able to defeat Beerus. But then, so should SSB Goku with Kaioken x10, if SSG Goku alone is 0.7xBeerus.
Maybe the SSG Goku = 0.7xBeerus thing is just a misinterpretation of the "Goku=7, Beerus=10, Whis=15" scale that was brought up, and the scale is actually logarithmic. But then Whis comment of Goku + Vegeta possibly defeating Beerus seems much harder to believe.
Seems to me like there is much conflicting information floating around. Then again, I have lost track of what lines are from the movie, series or interviews to begin with.
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>>149711592
Senile Toryiama says SSG Goku would be a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15

going by how much time has passed since BoG SSB Goku and Vegeta should be at least a 8 or 9 by now, making SSB Vegito at least a 20
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>>149712212

Vegito is still fighting a fused half-immortal God you know... It's not a shitty dragon or a pink piece of shit, the fusion of a warrior who has infinite potential and an immortal being should be unstoppable.
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>>149712239

Yes, like I said, Beerus still had a good fight when fighting Goku, regardless of how much he was holding back.

Vegito could literally just stand there and do nothing and I doubt Goku would be able to damage him, the difference in power between the two is immense.
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>>149712212
He don't even look injured, vegito didn't win because retcon and zamasu's inmortality. zamasu wasn't a real opponent for vegito
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gogeta would have defeated zamatsu in under 5second.

why is vegito so weak?
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>>149712707
>This damage control
Jobito couldn't even damage him. He's officially weak shit.
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>>149711687
The same way Trunks knows Gyallic Ho and Final Flash
>B-But he trained with Vegeta

Vegeta trained with Goku
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>>149713145
>implying there's anything special about blast attacks

lol, goku learned the kamehameha when he fist saw it and he didn't even know how to ki yet

as dbz progressed all ki attacks became more or less the same, they only get names for pure faggotry
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>>149706008
>>149705003

Can't people realise that Buu was a magical creature created by the most powerful wizard to kill the gods? Of course the potara would fail inside his body.

This new "1 hour" bullshit is just excuse to make more fan services in the future. Can't people see that and stop to swallow this crap?
Just drop the show if you want to save the franchise. If they don't sell, they won't make more.
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Friendly reminder that Ichigo never had to rely on nakama power to get shit done. In fact he was heavily injured and weakened when he fought his last fight.
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>>149712533
The thing is, he still jobbed for trunks to shine
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>>149706384
>SSJ4 failing to kill the dragon because "muh hax power magically reduces fusion time, didn't I tell you?"

That was also in the original. Fusion dance works like that. Gotenks fucks up and defuses early with SSJ3 because of it.
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>>149706394
if they're gonna watch kai I'd say this.
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>>149714454
>THIS WASN'T THE WAY I WANTED TO WIN
>The whole Juha fight
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>>149714454

>was literally stabbed with a sword made of pure nakama power so that he can be a shinigami again
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>>149714677
Both completely justified and better than
>"AAAAAGHHHH EVERYONE LEND ME YOUR POWERS!!"
For the enth fucking time.
>>149714686
The sword kickstarted his powers. It's just like a battery, nothing more.
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>>149714768

yes and he wasnt jobbing super hard before that

nope
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>>149705957
>SSB uses too much energy,

Except it's stated that it uses far less energy since it requires a calm mind as opposed to the sheer anger and tension they had to put on their body to use the other SSJs.
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>>149714813
Bitch, don't talk to me about jobbing. The ENTIRE ARC has been Goku, Vegeta and Trunks kicking ass for a minute before going back to jobbing again. At least Ichigo had the excuse of fighting someone who was all knowing and all powerful.
Goku and Vegeta got their shit pushing in by a gay green midget and his gay selfcest lover in a Goku meatsuit.
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>>149713378
gallick-ho and kamehameha are the same technique.
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>>149715056
Gallick gun is much more taxing and stronger than a kamehameha. Goku himself is just a prodigy when it comes to using his powers. He will always have an edge over Vegeta due to this.
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>>149715161

>Goku is just a autistic savant
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>>149714562
And looking back, that might have been an anime only thing. He just runs out of juice in the manga, and defuses shortly after that.
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They should've had Vegito gathering a Genkidama while the fight was going on, and like when Goku gave it to Kuririn, Vegito is buying time for trunks to use it.

>>149715161
kamehameha is more refined at that point. most Kamehameha's on Z/GT/Super are variants of the Super Kamehameha from Dragon Ball.
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>>149714374
>>149709336

Are you seriously talking about that asspull of asspulls as if it's not the stupidest fucking thing because you're mad vegito cant just go and beat everyone in the universe?

The too much power thing was bad an unnecessary, but the hour time limit isn't a big deal. It retconned a "permanent fusion" that wasn't actually shown to be permanent and one of the biggest asspulls of DB history. "Of course the potara would fail inside his body" my fucking sides.

Also, Buu being created by that scrawny wizard was retconned too if I recall correctly. He's now a force of nature.
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>>149702289
So when is Trunks going to kill Zeno?
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No mafuba u.u
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>>149702289
Its as if this entire arc was made just to nerf fusions overall. Look what happened to Zamasu as well. This probably was their answer for people overestimating fusions.
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Apologize /a/. His fight had 200% more hype
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>>149715586
most likely. I didn't mind the time limit, didn't understand why magic digestion fluids are a more accepted concept than it actually having a time limit. .

I think I see the manga doing less bullshit and gives us Gogeta canonicaly for the first time.
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>>149715772
I never thought Zamasu fights were better.
Just Gowasu.
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>>149715161
>Gallick gun is much more taxing and stronger than a kamehameha

where the fuck did this info come from?
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>>149714374
>Can't people realise that Buu was a magical creature created by the most powerful wizard to kill the gods?
Bibidi didn't create Bu fagtron.
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>>149705786
1/2

Dragon Ball Watch Order Guide:

You start at Dragon Ball, then Dragon Ball Z, then the canon DBZ movies and finally Dragon Ball Super.

You can watch Dragon Ball without filler here:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=832044

Z without filler is known as "Kai" or "Z Kai" and you can get it here (Saiyan, Namek and Android Sagas aka episodes 1-98):
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=490256

Then before moving onto Boo Saga Kai, you watch the History of Trunks special (listed as Special 02 in this torrent):
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=770933

Kai Boo Saga first half episodes 99-141 (Boo Saga starts in Kai with Episode 99) here:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=dragon+ball+kai+baaro

Kai Boo Saga second half (episodes 142-159):
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=dragon+ball+kai+unison

Then you watch the canon movies (set directly after events of Z/Kai) in order as follows:
Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=538731

Battle of Gods:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=856870

Resurrection F:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=863887
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>>149705786
>>149718297
2/2

Then you watch Super.
There's two ways of watching Super.
Either you watch it with retellings of Battle of Gods and Resurrection F arcs (which are pretty meh, the retellings, not the arcs) in which case you start at the beginning (so Episode 1), or you start at the Universe 6 Tournament Saga which is set directly after events of Resurrection F (in which case you start at Episode 28), no matter which you pick, here's all Super episodes:
Episodes 1-24:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=827317

Episodes 25-36:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=834565

Episodes 37-48:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=868300

Starting with Episode 47 the Black Saga starts which is the currently ongoing one.
After you get up to speed with the links above, you will be left with going forward starting with episode 49 and as such you want these:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=dragon+ball+super+dragonteam

It goes all the way up to episode 57.

Then you switch to these starting with Ep58:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=dragon+ball+batman

It goes all the way up to episode 62.

And then you watch these starting with Episode 63:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=dragon+ball+maybe
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>>149705869
No.18 being the main character saves that movie
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