If America wanted to would it be possible to build an animation

probably would have had a better animation industry

too bad the west hates animation

No. Americans are too used to too cheap entertainment. No one would pay the prices necessary to support a cartoon industry.

US already have a very big and famous animation industry.

Regardless >>>/co/.

>>149690206
Maybe I am just worried about costs. We do not have SE asian people to do our inbetweens.

>>149690206
We do have a very well developed animation industry, but if you mean one that is targeted at a different audience than it is now, it would take a large cultural shift.

No. The West underestimates the storytelling capabilities of animation. People regard it as kiddie stuff over here and so people don't expect much from it. It's as simple as that.

>>149690296
I meant one similar to how the anime industry is. And this is anime related.

>>149690206
Too many jews and tumblerites

Sure. But it's simply not worthwhile anymore. Too much time is wasted on drawing good hand-drawn animation for too little profit.

>>149690308
How many cartoon shows does the US produce each year anyway?

I don't want an industry based off of Blu-Ray sales and event tickets.

>>149690321
Snow White isn't anime.

>>149690206
Japan doesn't have Hollywood tier movie industry, that's why animation became it's top dog.

In the west, it's the opposite, Live action is always in favor of animation, and with Disney's over exaggerated influence, animation is stuck in the Kids zone.

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>>149690596
... You're a special kind of stupid, you really really are.

>>149690303
Old cartoons were handed out to the Japanese who were the cheap Asians doing animation quickly and for a good budget back then.

>>149690668
>...
>Thread about western animation industry
>OP picture is from Snow White, a Disney movie
>This is anime

Enjoy your 404.

if you tried to have actual murrican animation these days they'd probably want to have women with mostly manface tier being used
murrican(western) artists in general that try to mimic chinese cartoon's style tend to have "furfag esque" art that's noticeable also
i find the shit annoying when i end up seeing them mixed in with jp stuff when browsing "art that users think is good"

>>149690313
Yup, people go to the cinema and see a poster for a animated movie and think " for kids " and move on. Its why great movies like Kubo and the two strings do so badly in the boxoffice. Which is a shame, that movie is fantastic.

>>149690929
Then Sausage Party comes along and goes "HURR HURR ANIMATED MOVIES CAN BE ADULT TOO" and sets the industry back another ten years.

I hope Seth gets fucked now that marijuana is legal and stoner culture's going to be less of a thing.

>>149690929
Kubo has visually appealing, but it wasn't exceptional in any other regard.

>>149691110
In fairness we need more adult-targeted animated movies that are meant to be taken seriously. Even the really good, deep animated movies are still targeted at kids. I can't think of one animated movie made in America that has accomplished this.

>>149690206
Even if you take cultural differences aside, even if animation became in America an entertainment form for all ages as it is in Japan, I doubt any company would get away with the crappy salaries they give to Asian animators in general.
Also, you don't have the reducing costs culture from Japan there. In Japan they spent many years perfecting it. In USA you had Filmation, that produced many popular low-budget cartoons in the 80s, but even they went bankrupt. And if I have to chose give me any average Japanese animation from the 80s rather than He-Man or Bravestarr.
Also, I don't think that the public in general would be willing to watch low-budget animation in America. You put way too much care in drawing each frame and all that crap; meanwhile, action in a typical America-oriented animation is slow and boring as fuck, whereas even some crappy Japanese animation is, although worst animated, much more dynamic and fun to watch.
I don't even remember liking American TV animation, to be honest. I mean 100% made by America. I'm sure someone here will prove me wrong and say that a given American animation for TV has nice animation, but I'm sure it will be exceptions mostly. And I don't even know which series would be the case besides Filmation's, because even Disney outsourced animation to Japan for their TV series. So did Hannah-Barbera.
And many old Warner Bros cartoons animated in USA weren't actually TV series, they were movie shorts that eventually, many years later, wound up to be shown as TV series (the first Tom & Jerry, for instance, were 114 shorts produced between 1940 and 1958; that is, an average of one every two months). The same case was the Fleischer Superman series. Yes, the animation was smooth as fuck, but they were short animation films, so you can't compare. They had a nice budget and they did once a month, usually; so you can compare it maybe to some OVAs, but not to a low-budget series that is supposed to deliver a new episode each week.

>>149690929
Kubo is probably Laika's most kid friendly film, though. Beautiful, and deserves to be recognized, but still a family's film. I'd love to see big studios releasing something different every once in a while.

>>149691284
The problem is that people will almost certainly go the Family Guy route and just do the same "adult cartoon" crap, only in 3D.

>>149690864
Why do you type like a retard?

>>149691408
I'll go on a limp and say that it's because he's a retard.

>>149691396
Hate to say it but for it to work the movie/show couldn't be a comedy. Something like the anime Erased might catch American adult's eyes.

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>>149691476
Well played.

>>149691110
Pretty much, but i can't really make a comment on Sausage Party as i haven't seen it.

But animation is definitely though of as for kids in the west, there is plenty of good anime movies i would love to watch with friends but most of them turn me down on it because they don't like animation and prefer realistic movies. But gladly goes to the cinema to watch anything from Disney or Pixar. I feel a lot of people deprive themselves of good experiences because of that kind of logic.

>>149691499
I remember there was that Beowulf movie sometime in the early 2000s. Edge of Tomorrow showed that American adults can be interested in Japanese plots and premises. The problem is how to attract their attention.

>>149691374
Definitely, but to make people go out and see movies like that you would have to change peoples perception of animation. And i think that will be hard here in the west. But it's a shame, people miss out on fantastic experiences.

>>149691580
I don't think it was ever a problem that Americans can't accept a foreign-made plot. Movies like the Grudge & The Ring have worked well.

>>149691653
I think that the perception you'll need to change soon enough is that the West only makes animation for kids. In some years most of the kids will have grown up with anime some way or another, many of them might've even watch anime for adults when they were in their late teens. You won't need to tell them that animation can be destined to adults as well, you'll most likely need to convince them that someone is doing it in the West and that it's worth watching.

>>149691653
I think it'll be hard to do especially if they're not into the medium. It's either animation seems too childish, or it feels "not real" so that every live-action or CGI film would be preferred. People won't take it seriously.

>>149691886
It's kinda sad that its like that to be honest, i got plenty of movies i'd love to share with friends. but i doubt they would watch it, people just dont wanna take a chance and try something new.

Anything is possible under capitalism, baby. Shut your stupid mouth.

>>149690206
When americans try to actually make something decent they shit on japan hard. But americans don't really care about cartoons being properly animated

>>149692003
If you have the money.

Anyone hate the look and feel of MOST 3D animated works from America?

>>149691714
It's just that when people think of anime, they think of either porn or DBZ. Which, to be fair, isn't completely off. There's some good concepts that aren't overly cliche and pure otakubait, it's just that nobody's willing to notice it in the west.

Animation is cheap to produce over there because Japan has terrible labor laws.

>>149692414
I wouldn't say that's fair to anime. Fair based on how anime is presented in the public eye. There is such an extremely wide range of what anime actually is it's sad when people miss out because they think this.

>>149690558
It'll be based on Netflix subscriptions and food coupons instead.

>>149692554
It's just incredibly easy for westerners to look at Keijo and go "ANIME WAS A MISTAKE LOOK AT THIS CRAP I MISS COWBOY BEBOP" when there's probably some decent stories out there, just hidden under the copious amounts of cute girls and pretty boys.

>>149690760
>Enjoy your 404
>meanwhile it's been an hour

Any minute now..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZOXF83zBg

>>149692708
I don't get it. Is it a metaphor type thing for racism?

America hates pedophilia so there wouldn't even be a point

>>149690206
Only in size

>>149691110
Speaking of Sausage Party, its animators were working overtime and unpaid

>http://www.dorkly.com/post/80148/sausage-partys-animators-were-treated-like-shit

That just sounds familiar.

>>149690206
Japanese animators are woefully underpaid. It's unlikely you could get Americans to work for cheap enough to chug out that much animation.

>>149690206
possible but no american has the talent and the balls to do it, to be quite frank. everyone is looking out for their own skin in terms financial stability and personal sanity.

note that there are some indie anime studios in america but they have no clue how to produce a polished product, due to lack of skill and knowledge in my opinion.

>>149693019
Unless the animators do it as a passion project more than a career like many animators in Japan.

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>>149693027
>no american has the talent

Are there any /co/ faggots here?
Was there any cartoon airing in the last 10 years where the characters weren't acting as 2D cartboards to cut down costs (excluding Avatar and Korra)?

Characters barely act as if they're in three dimensions anymore, nearly always shown from 3/4 view.

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>>149692112

>>149690277

HAHAHAHA

No. Probably more suited to your "elite" western tastes but no where near will be "better".

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>>149690206
>>149692003

The jews in america have 10,000,000,000 x the amount of money, they could of, but jews. The cable and television networks make a billion dollars a year and have been running mostly reruns for years. It's called being a jew, they won't waste a penny if 99% of shows are reruns and consumers keep paying anyways.

>>149690206
Too much sjw bullshit

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>>149693601
Do you seriously think this would be an issue?

>>149690206
>over 80 years later and anime can't even compare to snow white

weebs will deny this

>>149693780
Does it make me a weeb to deny this?

>>149690206
Anything is possible in the free market if there is demand. There is no demand though, so. Japan could build gun industry similar to America's if there were a demand.

Dumb question

>>149693284

>implying that simpsons VA wouldn't take half of that cost

>>149693412
>could of

>>149694002
This desu

>>149690206
Nah, Americans are worst than the Japs.

All of them are closet furries.

Also, look at what the Rugrats animators drew to vent off their frustration of animating Rugrats.

They hated the show.

Also, Americans are unable to remove politics from their cartoons. There always has to be politics in everything in Hollywood from film to TV shows to cartoons to even music.

The Japs have mastered escapism but Americans still want to insert real life shit into their media even in an alternate fantasy world.

That is why there is a lot of old cartoons with pop culture references nobody even understands these days.

That is why you shouldn't add pop culture references at all.

>>149690929
Why did Ghibli movies become so popular then? I don't see many adults that think they are "just for kids" movies.

>>149694796
Agreed. I see so many Korra and SU fans that look at anime and try to judge it based on their western SJW pandering cartoons and they're dumb enough to have the same expectations completely missing the idea that anime is escapism for japs and they have a very strict separation of fantasy/reality in their culture. No one expects anime to be political and most otaku don't want it to be.

It's good and bad, but the good part is that it allows for more creativity and originality without worrying who they are going to piss off. Too bad they are now worried about pissing off otaku and fujoshi so it's the same issue anyway.

>>149690206

Yes. Now that Trump is elected an anime industry will boom in the United States and there will be a Manhattan-Project-like program that makes anime girls real.

but america already has a successful animation industry, only that it is mostly CG. Big budget kiddie flicks make money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

11 of the top 50 are animated.

>>149693284
>Americans love throwing money away
It will never stop being funny.

>>149690206
They'd need to kill anyone who ever stepped a foot into CalArts first.

>>149694835
That's exactly how they think though.

>>149693100
I mean Nips train a lot to git good and no one in the west has the experience at doing anime, so maybe he used a wrong word but essentially he's right in that America wouldn't be able to do a good anime

>>149694796
>There always has to be politics in everything in Hollywood from film to TV shows to cartoons to even music.
Hollywood is controlled by (((them))) anon what do you expect.

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this is the dumbest thread because Disney as well as most American cartoons and Pixar trump any Japan made cartoon save for just a few

>>149696579
>>>/co/
>>>/out/
>>>/trash/
>>>/r/eddit

>>149696645
salty cause he's right are we??

>>149696775
>??
Man you're not even trying.

>>149696808
Good one queer

>>149696856
I can at least commend your dedication, but you would get better results on other boards. Nobody here cares (apart from me, but I just love shitting on inferior faggots).

regardless it would be different because language differences and such

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western animation outside of cg is dead

>>149697010
>it would be different
You don't say.

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>>149690206
America already has the greatest and most profitable animation industry, why would they want one similar to Japan's?

>>149690206
>America
>Animators
Nice joke

>>149696301
American and Japanese animation industries are nothing alike. We lack seasonal releases and regular shows that take themselves seriously.

>>149696579
If you weren't a retard and actually understood the thread it was talking about having an anime industry similar to Japan. Just because America has some good animated movies doesn't mean anything and is irrelevant to the point of the thread.

>>149701148
Why do you take such low level bait?

>>149697422
I only have anecdotal evidence to go by, but i used to be in a group of drawing enthusiasts.
About half of them were hobbyists (including me), the other half either entered art schools or planned to do art related work in the future.
Of about 30 of them, only a handful of us even practiced fundamentals (posing, shading, perspective etc), let alone drew from life. The rest were just rendering over deformed/flat looking sketches, and given that the group was mostly normalfags and tumblrites, it was an echo chamber of
>wow the colours are so goooood
>man that looks so polished
>so much detail omfg
I got shit for pointing out bad anatomy, static poses, telling people to stop polishing and work on the basics. The ones who wanted to animate invariably did the flash thing where everything is a cardboard cutout, maybe sudden jumps perspective here and there. I remember losing my shit when a guy told me 'that's a waste of time, i just want it to look good' in response to telling him to at least TRY to draw the full motion frame by frame
So yeah, from personal experience i can confirm that there's a hugbox (though not necessarily SJW) mentality, people focus way too much on polish, traditional/classic art is mostly avoided
Shit sucks in the west

>>149690206

I know why America business's don't do 2D anymore. Which is a fucking shame because the last one I saw (Frog and the Princess) was excellent.

My only question is with technology allowing ANYONE to make their own animation on almost any budget, how come no one is doing it?

>>149694835
yet just about every single adult who has ever seen a ghibli movie saw it as a kid. Bring up The Wind Rises to one of these adults and see what I mean. It was Miyazaki's retirement film, so it came out rather recently and you can bet that the next person you ask has not seen it because they only remember watching Spirited Away and Naussica and maybe would watch it for nostalgia.

Anime is extremely cheap to make relative to shit like Lion King or Treasure Planet. It could never happen.

>>149694796
>Also, look at what the Rugrats animators drew to vent off their frustration of animating Rugrats.
You have my curiosity

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>>149691284
Rango was pretty good, I think it was a little too serious for a kid audience, but I wouldn't put it on Mary and Max levels of drama.

Prince of Egypt was real good.

Moral Orel had great characterization and storytelling, but it heavily started off as a satire and I think that really turned people away from watching the later seasons when the build up really pays off. It also had really good direction and decent animation, but the sets and overall design of the puppets weren't that exciting (which I guess can't be blamed because they were parodying Davey and Goliath).

>>149690206
They would probably better, but then Americans demand too much.

>>149690206
No, thanks, it would be filled with CalArts rejects.

>>149696468
Avatar
/thread

>>149690206
I don't even understand what you mean by that. Japan is selling to otakus, western targets kids. Productions match their respective audiences.

>>149690206
An industry that pumps 30 so so cookie cutter animes a season that copy each other in almost everyway and fall into obscurity the following year?
No thanks

>>149694796
>The Japs have mastered escapism but Americans still want to insert real life shit into their media even in an alternate fantasy world

Huh good point. Especially with the recent jap isekai web novel surge and how they almost always try to avoid anything that has to do with the real world.

Certainly they have almost perfected the escapismand i'm totally digging that!

>>149694796
I think you have the furry part backwards. It's the kids who watched anthro animals and grew up that became furries not most of the creators who started the trend.

>>149691886
That's the same as in Japan though. The normalfag population there also prefers live action version to anime.

>>149702513
All animation still requires someone drawing that shit in the first place. And most people can't draw shit at all.

>>149690498
Actually, a good number of them
But most are too shitty for anyone to care, from literal kiddy stuff, to the now lots of Marvel cartoons in Disney no one cares or knows about

>>149697422
That is not relevant anymore. Today's computer animators are extremely well-trained in the basics, and the book which that came from sits permanently on the desk of anyone who ever is or wants to be an animator.

>>149704048
Furries are way older than you think, they weren't invented by some animators last century. Look at old fables and ancient Gods like Anubis. WE WAS GODS N SHIET

>>149690206
their cartoons are directed towards ungrown children

>>149702513
>My only question is with technology allowing ANYONE to make their own animation on almost any budget, how come no one is doing it?
Animation is hard. Especially with low budget. It also takes more time then writing.

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>>149704484
So they are the same.
Ok guys case closed everyone go to bed now.

>>149702513
Traditional animation is incredibly toilsome and expensive, which is why indie animation outside of short films happens very, very rarely.

>>149702918
I'm guessing he's referring to this:
http://lostmedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rugrats_%22Incredible_Storyboard_Jam%22_(1998_Banned_In-House_Comic)

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>>149690206
They make direct-to-dvd cape movies.

They're not masterpieces, but neither is your average weekly tv anime.

>>149694038
Just because you know the cause of the problem doesn't make the problem go away. Murrican actors have unions, you're not going to get away cheaply no matter how you slice it.

>>149702513
It's a very hard job. Anyone could do it, you're right, but making a good animation film on your own requires lots of knowledge even in 3D.

To just start something original you'd need to know
>how to create interesting characters (visually); drawing/sclupting/modeling
>how to write an interesting story
>how to act (to make your characters believeable)
>how to make a storyboard and make it work so nothing would seem out of place (meaning you'd have to understand how films are made and how to switch between different sequences so the viewer would be able to understand what's going on)
>composition, placing (again, background in art is needed)
>color theory (for 3D, you'd need rigging, texturing)
>keepping your drawings consistant
>understanding form
>knowing where to direct your viewers eyes within each frame

And that's without all the animation
For animation you'd also need to have a strong grasp on all of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation

And I'm pretty sure I haven't covered half of it

>>149704794
This.
And after all this you'll also need some marketing because you wouldn't want your movie to go unnoticed, would you?

The answer is obvious, people just don't take it seriously. Would you watch a serious anime that used stop-frame or marionettes? Most people would take some convincing

>>149690206
It's not like they can't but I wonder how much the American animation industry will end up resembling Japan where animators have to work long hour for shit pay spitting out an episode every week.

One advantage is that in the US, there is power in a Union.

>>149705070
Most of /a/ would though, I think.
But yes, that's true. You have to admit that, although everyone praises Miyazaki's movies, they are pretty family-friendly (='I can watch it with my kids!').

>>149703664
...that was outsourced to korean studio

>>149705070
>>149705183
One of the better shows from last season was a taiwanese puppet show but most of /a/ dismissed it because lel puppet show, you know like how americans dismissed animation and don't give it a chance. And don't claim the lack of posts is because it's off-topic; if it's something many posters want to talk about, they'll talk about it anyway, as evinced by the many meta threads that hit bump limit.

>>149704685
>comparing direct-to-dvd to weekly anime
But that just makes things worse for them since given the production schedule, they're much closer to anime OVAs. And anime OVAs are definitely miles ahead in terms of animation, which is a shame, really. I wish they'd do more collab like Batman Gotham Knight instead of mediocre, forgettable series like Iron Man anime. Sawashiro as Black Widow was the only good thing about the BW/Punisher OVA.

>>149704685
killing joke and most 2010s dc animated stuff isn't that good but Return of the Caped Crusaders was great like really good

>>149705717
I thought /a/ was watching it?

>>149705792
I said most of /a/ dismissed it, not all of /a/ dismissed it. Of course, there were people watching it, but the IP counts in the threads were on the very low side.

>tfw no (good) return of Felix the Cat
fuck get TMS to do it with proper budget and staff

>>149690206
They have their own niche. Things like: adventure time and regular show for comedy/sol. Justice League or Marvel animations for action. For older gen: Rick and Morty, Family Guy etc. Episodic comedy stuff. Action series incorporate comedy like Archer.

They go with episodic seasons, its safer than relying on an arc narrative to keep people interested.


Avatar the Last Airbender is the notable exception to the formula. It is possible, and considering the success of Avatar there is a market. Personally I found the final fight so anti-climatic, all that build up and its hardly a fight at all


It comes down to money. In Japan even really shitty shows can make profit through merchandise and Otaku pandering, that market isnt large enough over here to support such an industry.

I think the real difference between American animation and Japanese animation is the freedom of creativity. The American animation industry pours far more money than the Japanese industry does into there work, but they constantly produce the exact same stuff - its pretty rare something breaks the mold.

Japan has these huge and very popular magazines that are filled with different manga that huge portions of the population read, rather than the subculture comics is. They see one that's somewhat popular - it gets a show. The crux of that is most shows rely on large scale sale of merchandise. Something the Japanese are far more willing to pay large amounts of money than Americans for. It's why CDs are still popular there.

So people keep producing shows about cape heros and parody based humor, because they make money, because they're safe. Anime takes considerably more risk with every show.

But the American style of animation is not well suited for taking big risks, the animation projects often cost far more because they don't have the long history or culture of cutting cost the Japanese do.

The Simpsons movie was 75 million. 5 centimetres per second was 5 million. I'm sure most people would agree 5 cm looked much better. But the Simpsons movie poured so much cost into pointless animation, the idea of Hollywood grandeur, the reason why so many movies end with massive epic scenes of action and chaos.

>>149706509
>Anime takes considerably more risk with every show.
It really doesn't. Anime industry plays it safe as well, because profits aren't staggering in the first place. It's just a different kind of safe from the USA because of the cultural reasons you already described.
Just look how many anime originals air each season. The amount isn't a whole lot. Those are the risk-takers.
Basing an anime adaptation on a popular manga or LN is a safe bet, it's just that what is popular and even mainstream in Japan is vastly different compared to america.

>>149706618
It's more risk either way. American animation almost never takes a risk. I can't name a show that was different from the norm in the last 10 years other than Avatar. The industry did a lot more in the early 2000s and 90s as far as creativity goes.

And you're right, they do play it safe. They keep the margins tight.

will calarts end soon?

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>>149706509e.
I know nothing about the industry, but isn't a significant factor also how closed the American comic book market is in general? Those magazines you mentioned are incredibly diverse, and while Shonen Jump is the closest thing Japan has to a Marvel or DC it still doesn't dominate the market entirely. The way I see it, it's an open market with a very low barrier to entry that even allows total nobodies like ONE and Okayado to publish their works and, with luck, become popular enough to have anime based on their manga.

Compare America where there's two companies monopolizing the market: Marvel and D.C. (and there's Image, and some smaller "literally who?" companies). These companies are the only guys in the US producing comics, and they both do the same thing: capeshit (even Image almost exclusively does capeshit, as it consisted of many authors breaking away from Marvel and D.C. They could perhaps be considered a third, smaller party in the American comic book cartel). They keep the market closed and recycle the same stories over and over. In America you can't just start writing shit and introduce it to the market, you need to join one of the big boys, spend some time rewriting another person's character over and over, and if you're lucky you might introduce your OC as a side character in some retarded crossover story.

Speaking of crossovers, these as well as reboots, parallel universes etc. make the market downright inaccessible to newcomers. Compare manga, where even in such neverending stories as One Piece and Dragonball you know how to get into them: you start reading chapter 1 and follow the rest of the story in a linear, chronological fashion. The comic book market relies entirely on a handful of stereotypical nerds who are willing to explore the convoluted intricacies of comic book storytelling, and most of their real profit comes from movie/tv show deals nowadays.

But that's just my theory.

>>149706697
This seems like an odd statement considering Bojack horseman, simpsons, south park, AT, etc are all some of the most popular series in America.

America does take risks, but the main difference is source material

America is almost always creating cartoons off an original concept.

While in jap cartoons we have a strong grasp on the source material

The source->cartoon industry doesn't exist here (yet?)

>>149690206
US animation industry will have better business model & story telling.
But, Japan have better 2D animator now.

US has lost their craftsmanship officially ever since Toy Story 1 was introduced.

>>149703726
Underrated post.

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>>149690206
The return of Young Justice has convinced me that if there's any hope in animation being treated with any degree of seriousness in the United States, that it lies in Netflix. That place is a perfect breeding ground for high quality television and for risky and unconventional concepts.

>>149705760
>And anime OVAs are definitely miles ahead in terms of animation
not necessarily. OVAs also encompass manga volume/BD bonus episodes, which often are fanservice episodes.

>>149708056
Looks fine to me (for american standard).
The last good super hero series i've watched are The Batman & Justice League Unlimited.

>Japan produces top tier animation and shit tier live action
>America produces 90% of the top tier live action and a small percentage of top tier animation

I'm ok with this. Japan's live action is fucking horrendous anyway.

>>149708090
I never said all OVAs are miles ahead.

Nitpick all you like, it doesn't change the argument or point: having to compare direct to dvd with weekly anime is a minus to the western animation. And I thought it should be obvious that going by the context, I'm not talking about omake type OVAs.

>>149690206
They could have.
But they didn't see the potential.

Too bad most "arts" courses offered in colleges/universities in USA ONLY promotes and teaches how to "express yourself" SJW type of bullshit. Where's the core studying anatomy, perspective, composition? Thrown out of the window.

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>>149708288
You got a point there. But even anime movies are hit and miss in the quality department.

>>149708562
Yes, and what of it? Nobody said there aren't bad anime or movies. Of course there are bad ones. But can the best of DC's animated works match up against the best that anime OVAs can offer? Because that's what sets the bar. Even with OVAs that are misses, the overall quality or average quality is still way higher.

>>149706509
>but they constantly produce the exact same stuff
meanwhile, japan churns out batches of isekai and battle harems every season.

>>149707816
>better story telling
>literally every western cartoon is an episodic comedy

>>149690206
No.

Mexicans can't draw as good as Koreans and Vietnamese

>>149708741
>Of course there are bad ones. But can the best of DC's animated works match up against the best that anime OVAs can offer?
Bleh. I'm DC animation fan myself, but DC's animations (WB) are clearly getting worse and worse.
It seems like they doesn't give a shit anymore.

>>149708821
A good one.

>>149708741
>>149708859
DC animated movies have their animation production outsourced to Korean and Japanese companies anyway.

>>149706618
>Anime industry plays it safe as well,
>Anime
>safe
You don't know what that means, do you?

>>76238291
>implying I want to have a vacation in murrica at this point in time
You guys currently have more riots than my shitty 3rd world country.

>>149692358
i only love frozen and tangled desu

>>149711988
are you a waifufag? be honest

>>149706618
>>149706783
Good observations.

>>149692358
I don't hate it. It's just meh.

>>149690206
They have, but it's western, and have it's own board.

>>149692358
Not really. It's just different. I can like it.

Good post.

>>149711988
>tangled
I felt that removed post-tavern plot line so hard during my first watch.
Also it was cruel to kill the witch off.

>>149690206
No, because the west doesn't tolerate slave labor to the extend Japan does

>>149715894
Which one?

>>149690206
Although trump won the media will still be heavily sjw so cute girls and fan service is a no-no

>>149716035
This.
The animation industry uses huge amounts of low payed workers. In america, this would pretty much be a second industrial revolution.

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>>149690369

You have no idea what you are talking about. Anime industry is insanely profitable.

Entire industry's revenue in 2015 was 18 billion $. Hollywood made 37 billion $ in the same year.

Now take into account how much more expensive Hollywood movies are.

People really underestimate how big anime is worldwide.

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>>149690558

What industry are you talking about? Because it's definitely not anime industry.

>>149718623
It's profitable now because of streaming services in China paying top-sums for licenses.

>>149696447
California was a mistake.

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>>149718993

It was always crazy profitable.

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>>149718665
>19%
We need to catch up.

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What if Japan'll do a Disney-style (with similar overall plot I mean) princess movie?

>>149719554
They did them back then in the 80s.
Flops.

>>149706618
But directors let talented animators handle full cuts on their own, sometimes not even following the storyboard. Shit like this wouldn't ever fly in the US, where every cut is critiqued repeatedly every day.

Anyone could. But they need talent and an audience. The average Westerner is too dumb and close-minded for it to sell.

>>149719554
mononoke was better anyway.

>>149706509
>I think the real difference between American animation and Japanese animation is the freedom of creativity.
So why is there much more variety in terms of visual design in the states.

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>>149719554
Classic Disney or full retard "look at us being progressive/diverse/feminist" neo-Disney?

>>149690206
no, americans would never work for so little and outsourced animation to koreans before elevens even considered it

>>149693284
>18 hour days for minimum wage
>7 days a week
>sleeping under your desk
>chainsmoking cause of the stress
that 1/4mil comes at a greater price

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>>149721104
>So why is there much more variety in terms of visual design in the states.
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>149721999
I think he's under the idea that the stereotypical "anime" style is dominant, when in reality that's mostly moeshit (and not even all moeshit).