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Dragon Ball Super

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Anime

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

Manga

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking
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>>149583114
first post for ramen
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>>149583114
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!
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What would you do if Bra is never conceived?
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>>149583114
Why would Toriyama choose a ningen as his successor?
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>>149583114
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/10/14/shueisha-establishes-new-dragon-ball-room-initiative-support-future-content/
Shueisha Establishes “Dragon Ball Room” to Expand and Optimize Content
Shueisha revealed that it had newly established a “Dragon Ball Room” on June 21st of this year. Its goal is to break down barriers between departments to expand and optimize the globally popular Dragon Ball franchise.
The announcement was made at Shueisha’s new publication planning presentation held in Tokyo on the 12th. Although the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized. Iyoku says that, “in practical terms you can think of it as handling both the rights and editing. It’s a new experiment to have a department that only thinks about Dragon Ball.”
Akira Toriyama, the original author, commented that, “I was wanting to keep this old series alive and kicking even in the modern day with help from Shueisha’s excellent staff, so for me this team is dependable and a real godsend. It’d really be great if this way I won’t have to do anything!!!!”
Dragon Ball is a hit manga that ran in Weekly Shōnen Jump from 1984 to 1995; its comics have sold over 240 million copies. The story centers on Son Goku, a boy with outstanding fighting sense, his adventures to get the Dragon Balls (which grant any wish when all seven are gathered), and his stiff competition against various rivals. A TV anime began broadcasting in 1986, and its popularity has endured even beyond the end of the original manga; Dragon Ball Super is currently airing.
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>>149583275
because TA is the only Toribot in the world.
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>>149583268
Who gives a shit if she will exist or not?
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Does anyone have that Toriyama interview where he says the boost from SS gets smaller with each new form?
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>>149583588
because we want to fantasise Bulma getting pregnated
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8MCvOsxj8M

How will they ruin him?
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I wonder if Toyotaro will ever color Bulma and Trunks purple to pay an homage to the original manga or if he's forced to stay consistent with the tv adaptation.
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>>149584020
Fuck off >>149581128
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>videl is boring and got ugly
>chi-chi is a giant bitch

Reminder that Bulma is BEST super girl
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>>149584038
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>>149583114
>>149583267
>>149583284
Holy shit, you never give up do you?
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>>149583588
I don't but I think one or two faggots might actually kill themselves is she doesn't exist.
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>>149584163
there's more than one of us
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>>149584213
Sure there is. Nice try.
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>>149584238
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So what's your favorite technique in the series?
and what techniques from other series do you want to appear in DB?

Instant Transmission

Lightning Storm from Dragon Quest
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Vegitotards are really assmad that their shitty fusion is going to be nerfed.

Do you faggots really just want a roflstomp that bad? Is your taste that shit?
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>>149584414
>hurr hurr look how mad you people are
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What pisses me the most about Dragonball super is that every preview is literally the ending/big reveal of the next episode.

Like do you think they will fuse in the first 5 minutes of the next episode? Fuck no they'll fight a bit more for 5, raise the stakes for another 5, then debate if they should do it or not for 5 more and then in the last 3 minutes or so they will fuse and fight a little bit. End of episode.
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>>149584440
Look at the last thread. Dozens upon dozens of comments of retarded Vegitofags raging over how their "perfect" fusion is going to actually have a weakness.
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>>149583114
>The live action movie pissed me off so much, I started writing notes on napkins and allowed Toei to run wild with it without even checking the final script
How can anyone question that Toriyama is a hack?
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>>149584466
Vegitofag here and I don't mind if he has a weakness.
To have a weakness actually improves a character.
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>>149584512
I agree. I just think it's kind of funny that so many Vegitofags are sperging out because he's actually going to have to struggle in this fight.
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>>149584542
Yeah I also agree with you. But I mean what else is there to talk about? We all know exactly WHAT will happen in the next episode every week, we just don't know exactly how.

Remember how it was at least SOMEWHAT fun to come up with theories who Black is and where he came from? Now these threads are reduced to fangayism
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>>149584542
I would have been fine with Vegito struggling if Merged Zamasu wasn't such a weak joke.
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>>149584647
>if Merged Zamasu wasn't such a weak joke.

Source my ass
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>>149584647
>if Merged Zamasu wasn't such a weak joke.
He can infinitely get stronger through combat. He's not exactly a joke.
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Friendly reminder Ran Fan is best waifu.
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>>149584666
>>149584714

Niggas, he got overpowered by Goku alone
He needs to destroy Goku next week before I can buy Vegito struggling
It's not even about powerlelev
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JUST YOU WAIT YOU FUCKING DIPSHITS. YOU LAUGH AT US NOW BUT GOGETA AND GOHAN WILL BOTH MAKE THEIR APPEARANCES WHILE HILARY GETS A RECOUNT AND WINS THIS ELECTION. FUCK YOU TRUNKSFAGS, FUCK YOU DRUMPFKINS, AND ESPECIALLY FUCK YOU GOKUBLACK FAGS. I HATE YOU ALL
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>>149584825
>Niggas, he got overpowered by Goku alone
That was genuinely bullshit immersion breaking retardation on the part of the studio though.
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>>149584414
Are you still salty?
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>>149584825
Because he fucked up a beam struggle being too much of an arrogant dumbass? He knocked Goku and Vegeta out of SSB with a single attack each and effortlessly blocked their punches simultaneously.
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>>149584728
Friendly reminder that Ran Fan's husband is Trunks.
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>>149584902
Not really, but it's kind of ironic watching Vegitofags rage considering I was raging hard a few days ago
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>>149584926
Fair enough.
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>>149584912
What is gonna say Mai about this?
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>>149584986
It's a different Trunks, I'm sure.
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>>149584835
>>149584906
I think the Father-Son Garlick Gun was more than enough for the "ningen wo nameruna" moment

I love Goku but the dickriding was too much
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>>149584833
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>>149584825
>>149584835
>>149584906
>>149585035
>What is Kaioken?
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>>149585029
You didn't caught that I was joking right?
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>>149585074
The thing he didn't use you mean?
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>>149585035
This whole show is Goku dickriding though. Vegeta getting to beat on Black for 30 seconds had to have been the product of murderers invading Toriyama's house and holding him and his family at gunpoint while demanding that Super focus on another character at some point.
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>>149585029
It's some random guy named Trunks. Toriyama later reused his name for the Trunks we all know.
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>>149585044
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>>149585074
>What is Kaioken?

Not canon past the Namek Saga.
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>>149585075
Yes, I was playing along.
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>>149585091
>>149585029
see >>149585075
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>>149585114
You think Ran Fan can beat adult Mai on a fight?
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>>149585113
Neither is the Purple Jelly Vegeta Arc yet Toei still referenced it in this current arc.
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hi again cuties hows your Wednesday been treating you all? hope it's great.
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>>149585165
>Toei Super
>Canon

wew
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>>149585180
Stop sullying my thread, you fucking cooling apparatus ayy lmao.
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>>149585155
Does Mai get to bring weapons?
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>>149584728
>Yfw she will never be playable on any fighting game like Xenoverse
Why live?
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>>149585190
Where did I say that dumbass?
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>>149585264
>Toei still referenced it in this current arc.

Gonna tell me you were talking about the manga you fucking retard?
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>>149585243
Weapons as in guns and shit or weapons as in her big butt?
No, no guns.
But his butt is allowed.
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>>149585289
Are you fucking retarded? Follow the argument before you jump in you fool.
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>>149585344
>Follow the argument before you jump in you fool.

Incredible amounts of irony. You're actually autistic, aren't you?
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>>149585303
Mai might have this, then.
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>>149585360
>irony
Retard
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>>149585388
>hurr I pretend that others are using words incorrectly without explaining why I think their usage is incorrect
>This makes me feel smart

Hang yourself.
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>>149583588
Bra is best grill

She has mommys looks and daddys pride so she is pure
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>>149585362
DESU I would like to play with future Mai in XV2.
Her gameplay would be focussed on weaponry and would call members of the resistance as back ups.
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>>149585362
nah if mai cant use weapons ranfan would definitely take her out with the heat fist (plus mai is a very shy woman so she might not like ranfans vulgarity)
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>>149583588
Didn't I told you? >>149585531 might hang himself if Toriyama don't bring Bra to Super.
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>>149585621
I hope she gets destroyed by Beerus as soon as she is born.
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>>149585667
Why?
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>>149585621
>beerus in charge of anything other than being slapped around
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>>149585922
The only thing being slapped will be Bra's face with Beerus' suck.
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>>149584466
It's fucking Toei they'll give him a retarded weakness that makes no sense
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>>149585978
*dick
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>>149585997
Come on have some faith maybe Toriyama will actually get more involved instead half assing it or maybe Toei will suddenly improve
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>>149586073
>Toei will suddenly improve
They've had years no one expects any sort of quality from them
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If Toriyama deletes Bra then he at least needs to give us a female child of Trunks and Mai that has Vegeta's personality. I just really want a dominant saiyan female.
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>>149586102
Toei is doing a better job with the anime than Toyataro is doing with the manga
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>>149586129
bait
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>>149586129
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>149585978
Don't ever talk to me or my fusions daughter again
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>>149586129
What's your point? I hope you realize that other than Toeifags and Toyblefags no one thinks super is good. Super at its best so far has merely been decent. I just wish that if they were going to revive Dragon Ball they wouldn't be lazy. Who's the idiot responsible for giving Super such a shit budget anyway?
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>>149586147
>>149586155
The manga's pacing is so bad I don't know how people think it's good
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>>149585074
I feel he will use it again, like pic related might be, or what other life risking attack Goku would do?
And that strange thing what happens to Zamasu (green and purple) might be the reason, then Goku got his ass kick, Shin gives him and Vegeta the Potara, fuses, and Vegito kicks Zamasu's ass like the preview show
I'm just guessing here
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>>149586188
>Other than the people who like DBS no one likes DBS
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>>149586162
Honestly copy paste waifus like Bra or Pan are far from being good waifus.
Now Jaco's wife on the other hand...
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>>149586209
Top kek
The anime's pacing is worse btw
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>>149586073
>Toei will suddenly improve
This week's episode's key frames is done by a top industry free lancer so it'll be better than th esual Toei Phillipines low quality stuff.
Also the plot point about Vegito's weakness may very well be from Toriyama's plot outline so you can't blame Toei just yet.
>>149586129
>Toei is doing a better job with the anime than Toyataro is doing with the manga
And what standards are you trying to compare the two mediums under? Toei suffers from many flaws the manga simply doesn't need to adhere to like a hectic weekly schedule. The only real flaw with the manga is pacing that may make it come off as rushed in comparison to the stretched out anime.
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>>149586209
Super in general is meh but the manga is trying at least to fix the inconsistencies of the anime.
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>>149586147
>>149586155
The way he made Vegeta job against Hit killed any expectations I had. I don't even like Vegeta but I prefer my fights in a battle shonen to be good unlike you faggots who suck off his mario cart filler yet somehow avoid talking about how Toyataro goes about his fights
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>>149583267
Loved the mario kart stuff this issue, but it got me thinkin; does goku ever go home?

I mean really, supers been going on for a while now, and hes always either at beerus's place training or hanging out at the briefs compound. Youd think vegeta or bulma would eventually just get sick of him and be like dude just go away, you have your own house and wife and son, why are you always here.
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>>149586286
>but I prefer my fights in a battle shonen to be good
Yet Toei's fights suck.
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>>149586286
>Toyotaro tries to correct the plotholes of the anime
>But muh fights
Because Vegeta didn't jobbed to Hit in the anime.
Also
>Complaining about filler
Fuck m8 don't get salty
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>>149586286
He traces Toriyama's panels. For his F.Trunks buu arc he traced panels from Gohan's fights and just replaced Gohan with Trunks. He's so fucking lazy.
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>>149586279
The manga is hilarious

It feels more like DB than DBZ, and thats a good thing.
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>>149586286
He jobbed harder in the anime and was reduced to a mere Kaiokuck in comparison to Goku.
At least in the manga the power scaling and the power level during casting spells were important to the plot/battle.
The anime barely explained time skipping/leaping and just used it as a crutch to make Goku look faster than stopped time which skewed canonicity with pure fanservice.
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>>149586286
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>>149586362
In the manga both Goku and Vegeta could easily defeat Hit but Vegeta lost because he transformed twice. Seriously what the fuck was up with that.
>>149586328
It's the lesser of two evils
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>>149586372
Indeed
>>149586389
Not Winnie Pooh deserved better.
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>>149586367
The slaves at the workshops of Toei Phillipines try to "trace" too but it came out all shitty looking for the majority of the anime. I don't think paying an homage can be used as a negative point since both mediums are fan service.
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>>149586419
Must be horrible to work in animation on Japan.
That people have my respect even if they don't know how to trace.
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>>149586462
>that first fucking frame
I am so fucking glad the Toei' anime director got canned and we got a new one for the Black/Zamasu arc.
Now if only the anime can stay ahead to lead the way with good storyboards the anime can heal from this shit.
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>>149586419
It's not a homage if fucking Toriyama tells Toyble to go do his own thing
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>>149584117
>saggy tits
>best anything
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What is OPs point.
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>>149586510
having Trunks resemble and mirror his master Future Gohan is a great homage to his fighting style.
Cry all you want about it.
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>>149586510
Well Toei's flashbacks are literally scenes taken from DBZ. That Kaioken flashback was so jarring but yeah I don't read Super because I couldn't care less about some random's take on Toriyama's "script'
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>>149586462
>>149586483
>>149586505
>>149586546
>>149586573

So the same characters doing the same moves arent supposed to look similar?

Like what is the point here?
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>>149586604
He was tracing from Kid Gohan panels dumbass
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>>149586641
Show one decent fight from the manga
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>>149586637
>So the same characters doing the same moves arent supposed to look similar?
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>>149586680
There you goToeifag
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>>149586680
You never read dragonball did you?
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>>149586720
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>>149586637
>similar

I mean, one point is that literally rehashing storyboards is a sign of laziness, but you could excuse it as fanservice, but even then none of the new stuff has the same impact the originals had, because of lower budget/unskilled animators.
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>>149586751
Ya, and?
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>>149586725
Traced from Gohan vs Frieza. Try a bit harder next time
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>>149586188
>I hope you realize that other than Toeifags and Toyblefags no one thinks super is good.

You're right, people who like Super are the only people who like Super. You fucking retard.
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>>149586728
I was talking about the Super manga retard
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>>149586801
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Do you think Beerus will even see God Vegito or will they defuse him before Beerus can wittness?
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>>149586771
How do you fuck up the over the top intensity of transformations? They perfected that to an art in DBZ.
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>>149586786
>you have to be a blind fanboy to like something
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>>149586771
Can I help you anon you're missing the best Trunks screenshot
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>>149586781
Fuck off it's fine for Toyataro to trace panels. He's Toriyama's successor so it's okay for him to do so
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>>149586823
Dragonball Heroes actually used that sequence from the manga as inspiration for an attack.
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>>149586781
what's next you're going to start saying Beerus is a trace of Toriyama's cat? Fuck off.
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>>149586810
Give it a try. Even if you are one of those faggots who don't read the manga because think is not canon, ifs amazingly funny.
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whats wrong with supreme kai
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>>149586863
Champa's "I don't care about what happens to the Universe" Destruction Ball confirmed as a Galaxy Buster.
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Pretty much all the manga fights are better than their anime counterparts except Piccolo vs Frost.
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>>149586781
>traced
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>>149586843
>being this retarded
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>>149584606
No. Every theory that wasn't "Black = Zamasu in Gokus body" was fucking retarded.

>m-muh Goten!
>muh Goku who didn't hit his head
>muh purged evil
>muh wished clone
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>>149586810
And you keep talking about the fights

Like some dubfag who only ever saw dbz and knows nothing about its roots, or the fact that its about more than just fitin

So i repeat: you never read dragonball did you?
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>>149586823
The art is neat but god Beerus and Champa dialogues are stupid as fuck.
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>>149586937
How about that theory where someone revived Future Goku's body and used it for his evil plans?
I think that's the less retarded than the four you mentioned
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>>149586909
Just compare this with that.
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>>149586998
Being slightly less retarded doesn't make it not retarded.
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>>149587021
Stop anon the mangafags will just call that a "homage".It's no use trying to convince them
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>>149586824
>implying whis and beerus havent been watching the whole time

What else do they have to do?
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>>149587021
>>149587059

So desperate you resort to samefagging, pathetic.
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>>149587059
you really don't want to start an argument over homages you dumb Toeishill.
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This is why we should try to have threads on weekends only
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>>149587133
look at the one piece thread, bleach thread and attack on titan threads or even jojo threads it's much more worse than this it's tamed compare to those.
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>>149587165
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Feels bad Zamasu is slowly turning into a rotten fruit
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>>149587165
Because Goku running is so out of character right?
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>>149587214

So I assume the manga isn't going the route of going back and forth to the future constantly? Because shouldn't that keep creating timelines in the anime?
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>>149583114
>Next week's episode will be done by a famous industry freelancer instead of by Toei.
Can Toeishill even recover from this?
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>>149587356
it's going to be a bit careful but regardless if they do or not Time Travel with the ship can travel to specific "time co-ordinates" so it doesn't neesarrily spawn new lines.
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>>149587388
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>>149587406

Except Trunks going back to the same coordinates is what spawned Black Zamasu in the anime.
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>>149587448
anime has no logic with it came to the Time Causal Loop Paradox. Best to pretend he just found out about Kibito in the anime as well.
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>>149587486
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Betting that Bra is born nine months after the Trunks saga. As soon as Vegito unfuses, Bulma is gonna give Vegeta some royal treatment if you know what I mean.

>meanwhile goku gets beat up by chichi for slacking on the farmwork
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>>149587660
>mean while F. Trunks and F. Mai fucking like rabbits in the future
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>>149587660
>Bulma is gonna give Vegeta some royal treatment if you know what I mean.
No, I don't.
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>>149588086
Trunks and Mai in general is so weird to me, I know she was granted youth but she's still like 10 years older than Trunk's mom, she shouldn't be falling for a Teen or Child age Trunks, her mind should be that of like a 40-50 year old.
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>>149586889
STOP INVINCIBLE NINGEN
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>>149588198
her mind probably de-aged as well with only recollection of her maturity.
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so, i've been rerolling like a crazy mofo these past few days and I still don't have SV and SG on a single team. well, i can just use a SV account and move on but my autism won't let me stop until i get an account with both of them in it. WHEN WILL THIS END?
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>>149588198
>>149588267
Toriyama works in strange ways regardless the paring is quite cute.
>trunks is the mc of his timeline gets a Chinese gal of his own
>goku is the mc of his timeline gets a Chinese gal of his own
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>>149588435
wtf anon wat r u talking about pls explain this obscure meme of urs
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Who was it that was going to paint themselves yellow? Was it the Gohanfag?
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>>149588541
it's just a vent for a db vidya game.
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>>149588435
Just buy one of dbz.space for like $10 dude, it's much better to start off with a deck that has all the basing blocks to build off of.

Back when Gogeta was first released I rerolled like crazy trying to get the "perfect" account but I decided to just say fuck it. Bought one with Gogeta, SSJ Gotenks, SSJ3 AGL Goku, and Majin Vegeta.

Now my rainbow team is Super Vegito, Gogeta, SSJ Gotenks, SSJ3 STR Vegeta and SSJ3 AGL Goku. My AGL team (SV, Ult Gohan, Godku, GT Trunks, SSB Goku, SSJ3 Goku) is pretty much the best you can get on global atm. At the end of the day it's all RNG but just buying an account with everything you want makes the game a lot more fun.
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>>149585243
Yes, but she doesn't get to bring friends. :^)
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>>149587005
Remember when everyone thought Black was weaker than SSJ Goku when the episode aired?
I remember that was too weird for their first fight.
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>>149588435
It's okay Zamasu. Come here, give your ningen a hug.
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>>149588449
>You will NEVER get a cute, pure, brave, strong, much older, loyal, Chinese waifu of your own
>You will forever remain irrelevant while you're completely replaced by the Pilaf Gang
>Trunks doesn't even remember your name anymore
This fucking hurts
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DJ2kr5wrY
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>>149589073
don't you mean SSJ2 Goku?
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>>149586945
>gods of destruction >>>> SS4 broly
brolyfags BTFO
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>>149588621
It was the same Panfag from pic related.
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>>149583114
If he loved the series he would have gotten a real writer instead of making fan fic tier shit that is only somewhat better than dragonball evolution.
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>>149590091
There's a whole new division of Dragon Ball at VJump now called [Dragon Ball Room]. Hopefully they do a good job.
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>>149586525
>because she said she has a little sag it mean she has pure udders now

Sure is juvenile in here. Do you like Broly, son?
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>>149590193
>vegeta and trunks got to suck on those
wish i was a anime character
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>>149586778
There's only so many ways to draw a fucking Kamehameha or a Final Flash.

This is like arguing about QUALITY in keyframes, but I guess asinine nitpicking is what makes you feel better about your day so to each his own.

Hope you are just cherrypicking for fun because you have no actual point
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>>149590245
trunks is gay
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>>149590289
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>>149590245
I think you speak for the majority of /a/, anon.
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>>149590352
hi anon
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>>149586906
Explain to me how the fuck Trunks was able to spring off his sword after sinking it into the floor, flipping above the sword with his two hands on the handle, and gain impulse with his feet. That doesn't seem possible, or at least the panels don't portray the movement done fluidly.
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>>149590255
>because you have no actual point
The point is to troll back that one Toeishill that keeps insisting Toyotaro is tracing Toriyama when clearly homages are present in both mediums.
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>>149590345
>filename
it's funny because it's true.

Looking at this, Vegeta really wins in the end.
>best son
>great wife (18 is probably best wife)
>Surpasses Goku multiple times (so far in Super I count 2), something no one else ever does.
>Will always be in top tier of power for the heroes

Saiyan royalty is truly an alpha genetic line, indeed, I mean, grandpa King Vegeta was even KING of the Saiyans and footstool for THE God of Destruction.

Sasuga, Vegeta.
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>>149590420
you don't need to "flip" over the sword at al, you just barely need to leapfrog it and you're ready to kick off.
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>>149589843
But still, Goku had the odds on his favor, and everyone were complaining about how Black wasn't that strong on that fight.
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>>149590424
Oh. That is indeed a valid point. toei shills should die.
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>>149590481
That's the only conclusion I can come off, but smart panelling would mean that Trunks would start the leapfrog motion as soon as his hands are on the handle as he goes over the sword by bending his legs as if he were squatting like a true slav.
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>tfw this arc ends, the time machine will be destroyed and Future Trunks will never be able to come visit his friends again
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>>149590576
he already achieved what's supposed to be next to impossible with the time given for him to train and all. let him settle down with his waifu and be sidelined as a non-existent character like gohan.
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>>149590576
>the time machine will be destroyed
How about if a new threat stronger than Black, Zamasu and fusion appears? Or will he be totally fucked?
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>>149590692
he needs to be a god of destruction and make whis function again and train him to use his god ki correctly in order to access full SSJB.
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Who is best girl, and why is it Trunks?
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Anime canon>manga canon. The anime is the only thing that matters to pretty much everyone.
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>>149591024
>stuffed with padding and filler
>Kaiokuck x 10
>Vegeta dwarfed in comparison
>poorly explained Time Skip
>Hit randomly powering up, increasing TS duration on a whim
>Mutliplier stacking breaking power scaling
>Goku moving through what was presumably stopped time.
>Black and Zamasu getting owned by tear gas
>going back and forth in time to fight literaly Sunday Morning cartoon villains

here's your (You)
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>>149589431
I guess Trunks can still use Goten to keep Pilaf and Shu busy while he tries to get laid with Mai.
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>>149591111
Enjoy caring about a canon I guess.
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>>149591111
>Goku moving through what was presumably stopped time.
That was in the manga too. It was straight outta jojo.
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>>149591200
>That was in the manga too.
no he conserved his stamina to channel a higher power level during timeskips to break free a moment earlier than the full duration.
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hi anons, let's talk about the nature of "hi" and what it means and where it originated.
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>>149591240
His eyes move at one point. It's only exaggerated way more in the anime.
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Not so smug now , fucker
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>>149591240
How is that any better?
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>>149591317
>Infinity91
what did he mean by this?
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>>149591240
>break free a moment earlier than the full duration.

In other words, move during stopped time.
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>>149591302
that's him breaking free a moment earlier than the full duration because he for that moment had a higher PL than Hit. Whys and Vados explain it.
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>>149591368
no in the manga Hit can skip himself into the future, a "Time Leap/Skip" in the truest sense.
The anime however made it seem more like a Time Stop/Freeze.
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>>149591256
Chichi anon would post pic of Chichi saying hi. Now Freeza cosplay anon posts pics of Freeza to say hello and wish everyone a good day.
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>>149590957
>FemTrunks trying as hard as she can to resist /ss/-ing kid Gohan
>Can't handle it anymore, goes at him like a cat in heat
>Doujin power so strong you'll need these after you get done reading
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>>149591452
>Future Trunks saving Fem!Trunks from being raped by the Artificial Humans
>Learns that Trunks is a virgin and was saving herself up for him
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>>149591427
Either way, it's the same thing visually. Hit experiences a period of time in which Goku can't move, which becomes shorter and shorter, just like the end of Jojo.
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>>149591341
because in the manga the Time Skip is literally skipping forward in time, it's not an overpowered timefreeze that needed hax multiiplier stacking and literally trying to move through frozen time with brute force.
Having an emphasis on stamina and the strength of your Powerlevel while casting special abilities like Time Skip is much more logical and understandable instead of relying on breaking the power scaling with bullshit filler.
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>>149591452
>>149591496
>>149590957
>Futa 18 sexually bullying FemTrunks
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>>149591496
>Future Trunks

Future Gohan*
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>>149591317
Shin-chan isn't smug, he's cute.
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>>149586937
>No. Every theory that wasn't "Black = Zamasu in Gokus body" was fucking retarded.
I hope you are not implying that Zamasu being Black wasn't retarded, because the explanation how he became Black doesn't even make sense.
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>>149590957
Shit taste.
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>thank you for inviting to dinner, onii-chan.
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>>149591429
hi it me
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>>149591629
Chi-chi's GT design is so ugly.
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>>149591553
>18 taunting FemTrunks by telling her how she's filling out
>Says Gohan preferred bigger tits
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Why do these Niggastream translations always sound so unnatural and forced?
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>>149591741
Because they're shit at what they do. Yet they (and, well, Viz) are the only ones doing it.
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>>149591741
I want more of Future Trunks being young Trunks' wingman.
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>>149591815
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>>149591814
It would be great if those guys from Dragon Team translated the manga now that they dropped the anime.
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>>149591649
She was like 52 years old during GT.
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>>149591882
They most likely won't do it since it has an official publication.
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>>149591815
Me too, and it's cute how they treat each other like brothers in the manga.
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>>149591717
>18 pounding FemTrunks' pussy from behind while grabbing and tugging at her hair
>18 telling FemTrunks that she's good at taking cock, Gohan must have trained her well
>18 forcing FemTrunks to admit that she likes 18's cock more
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>>149591981

go eat 18's cock you retarded faggot
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>>149591649
It was done by Toriyama. You now like it.
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>>149592045
No, I don't.
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>>149590474
>Saiyan royalty is truly an alpha genetic line
Keep telling yourself that Vegeta, just remember to get in line behind Pilaf and Commander Red in the get tall wish list.
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>>149592045
>>149592061
hi anons
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>>149592065
Holy SHIT
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>>149591981
>Future Gohan never got past kissing FemTrunks and feeling conflicted because of her youth
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>>149592065
How is he such a manlet with a tall as fuck father? And how did Trunks escape from being a manlet?
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>>149592272
Vegeta's mom must've been as short as Tarble's wife. Trunks probably got some of those recessive King Vegeta genes, or Dr. Briefs'.
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>>149592272
Height skips a saiyan generation I guess
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>>149592303
Vegeta's mom was actually a Truffle. That's why he's so short.
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>>149592337
________________________________hi
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>>149592337
That'd be some shit. Shame they're not canon. GT gets a lot of shit, but Baby has a pretty good angle as a villain. Better than most in the franchise.
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>>149591625

Long haired Trunks is the best Trunks.

(too bad he lost his gains from Z)
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>>149592527
I would say_____________________________________________________________________________hi
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You guys made me attracted to Bra. Goddamn you. Thank goodness it's easier to imagine her as an older character than she actually is. What the fuck were they thinking with Pan and Bra in GT?
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>>149592527
Actually, most guidebooks still point out that they are indeed canon. Toriyama's the one who invented them and the Saiyan backstory, and even the DBS manga mentions them.

Baby is a good villain in concept, but just like everything else in GT, he's wasted potential. He's just a mash of the last three main DBZ villains with a heaping dose of hypocrisy thrown in.
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>>149592659
>Thank goodness it's easier to imagine her as an older character than she actually is.
Why do you need to do this?
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>>149592671
>and even the DBS manga mentions them.
when?
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>>149592659

how old is Bra in GT?
why does she dress like a slutty 16 year old?
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>>149592777
It's what you get when you have bulma's genes and your father spoils you.
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>>149592659
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>>149592777
She's 11-12.
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>>149592777
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How are the sales of Toyotaro's manga anyway?
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>>149592734
Vegeta tells Cabba that the Saiyans of his universe ended up on Plant and eventually conquered it, wiping out the original inhabitants of it. This is after Vegeta learns that planet Salada still exists in Cabba's universe.
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>>149592863
>dat thiccc misa
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>>149585180
hi freezer how are you
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>>149592957
best grill in action
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>>149591741
>>149591815
>I want more of Future Trunks being young Trunks' wingman.

It's nice to see him help his little other self out
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>>149585180
It's hard to beat today in terms of good news, but you made it better anon-kun
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does someone has the edit to this with all the formulas?
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>>149592895
yeah I know about that line, I thought there was more to it
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>>149593264
Here you go.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdTqEGHl0-I

Best theme.
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>>149593715
thanks anon saved.
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>>149593763
>Best
>not saying hi to me
fuck you anon
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>>149593965
smd
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>>149594082
no fuck you anon you had your chance
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>>149594157
so rude
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Super Saiyan Blue and Super Saiyan Rose should've been switched. It would made Rose feel like Goku and Vegeta were beginning to tap into the full power of a god and would made Black feel more ethereal. As is they just seem like random colors chosen out of a hat.
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Best subs?
Been putting this off for a while, time to marathon.
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>>149594898
>As is they just seem like random colors chosen out of a hat.

That is what they are. I wouldn't be surprised if characters start making fun of it within the show itself pretty soon.

Even Frieza's Golden form was literally just Frieza choosing to become golden like Super Saiyan. And Black's Rose is just him saying "Goku was blue, so I'll be pink."
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>>149594936
Crunchyroll's are actually the only ones translating things correctly this time around.
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I want to strap Supreme Kai to a Sybian.
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more of fusion Pan
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>>149595301
I want her to suck me dry
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>>149595162
Was the East Kaioshin always this pathetic and physically small?
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Wait. If Zamasu loses the time ring, he gets Haikai'd right? In every timeline? Does that mean he never existed to begin with? Or are they going to use the super dragonballs to revert all the damage Zamasu did?
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>>149595525
Small, yes. Pathetic, no.
He was actually supposed to be pretty powerful.
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>>149597169
> time Onee-san
yes
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>>149592569
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>>149597169
Who designed these, it wasn't Tori right?
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>>149596427
what is supposed to be happening in this
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>>149584647

>hasn't done anything of note yet other than toy with the Z fighters
>weak joke

They've literally done nothing to him yet and the one attack they mustered got no sold. He's pretty much Vegito-ing them.
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>>149597308
I yhink it's just a redraw of scene from "Yo! Son Goku and his friends return"
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>>149592569
Wha
U no rike grorious twrink animu?

>>149597424
oh
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>>149584027
toriyama concept bulma, trunks, future trunks with blue hair in recent years

so unlikely
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>>149597169
>>149597278
Personally, if they ever do give Chronoa an aged-up appearance, I'd rather have them give her the standard Supreme Kai eyes from(A), the black leggings from (B), retain tiny Chronoa's blue top underneath the Kai clothes, or MAYBE make it black to match the leggings, and add (C)'s secretary glasses.
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/a/, how do you feel now that you know TFS's Goku is canon?

I bet it makes you feel funny, doesn't it?
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>>149598573
>Toei Goku
>Canon
Nope. DBS manga is canon.
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>>149598573
TFS Goku was canon even before TFS
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>>149597278
B's the one that makes my dick happy.

Let's make it happen through meme magic, anon.

I mean, 4chan has just elected a president, why wouldn't it be able to change how a DB character looks?
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>>149598573
What is TFS?
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>>149598573
The fuck what is TFS ?
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>>149595001
Frieza and Black discussing their transformation was pretty much already a disguised sarcastic self parody so they already did.
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>>149597278
No, it wasn't. The only Toriyama designs in Xenoverse are the stuff from the show or from Online (he actually was the one that designed the new crests and face marks for custom Nameks, since they're taken from Online).

I can't find any credit list online that includes a character designer though, so I have no idea who designed her.
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>>149598597
>>149598626
Are you what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtu2FCn9K-I
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>>149598597
>>149598626
Team Four Star, the guys that make DBZ Abridged
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>>149592527
>>149592671
What annoys me about Baby is his Goku obsession. It just makes no sens for him to focus his vengeance on Goku, rather than Vegeta.
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>>149598641
Is this supposed to be funny?
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>>149598681
>vegeta prince of saiyans has to beat a mindcontrolled goku to save earth, the saiyan people and his bro-rival goku from baby

Now we are talking!
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>>149598718
It's just a compilation and it's only Part 1
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>>149598718
In spite of being or not funny, this is the new canonical Goku, like it or not.
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>>149598759
>this is the new canonical Goku
Nope.
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>>149598759
How so?
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>>149598772
I think he meant that he's basically just toei Goku: a literal retard who only thinks about food and fighting.
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>>149598772
DBS's Goku is also combat genius with a good heart who happens to be completely stupid and careless outside of combat and even more of a battle addict than before. He's now willing to risk everyone and everything to have a good fight.

DB and even DBZ Goku would never fight Beerus so carelessly and he would be much smarter about it, trying, for example, to convince him that Earth shouldn't be destroyed and, when it came to it, trying to convince Lord Beerus to fight in a place where they wouldn't put Earth at risk (like, far away from it's atmosphere, where one of his sniffs couldn't take it away)
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>>149598580
Which is closer to Toriyama's vision, manga or show?
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>>149598858
Manga
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>>149598858
Manga
See >>149583114
>>149583267
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>>149598855
>Toei Goku is also combat genius
See >>149587388 and >>149587431
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>>149598820
>>149598855
Exept that in the original japanese DBZ Goku was always this stupid
And even stupider in DB
He fucking thought that marriage was food
And until a certain point the only way he could distinguish females from males is by tapping their crotch

He is only smart in fighting
TFS just ran with it
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>>149598911
>Exept that in the original japanese DBZ Goku was always this stupid
Wrong retard, read the manga.
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>>149598858
Why does his vision matters anymore?
He forgot who Lunch and Tao Pai Pai are, he's inconsistent as hell with everything he says or create, I think the good stuff on DB's not only his work, but also should be credited to his editors, because whenever he's interviewed, he always sounds like he couldn't care anymore about DB and like it was a curse to him.

Fuck Toriyama. He's a genius, but I think other people could do better with his legacy than him. I mean, look at DBM, it's very, very good - and it's not worse than DBS at all...
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>>149598855
Hahaha you fucking retard.

You know the CANON reason why Goku begged Krillin not to kill Vegeta?

Because Goku wanted to fight Vegeta another time.
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>Raditz still hasn't appeared in DragonBall Super
>He probably never will
>We will never see the brothers reunion
>We will never see the brothers fusion
>We will never see Raditz revenge against Vegeta
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>>149598942
>I mean, look at DBM, it's very, very good -
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>149598946
And what was him risking by that?
They had beaten Vegeta and he thought they could do it again.
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>>149598948
It'd just be awkward.

>for some reason raditz comes back to life
>goku and vegeta are fighting motherfucking gods
>even chaotzu could beat up raditz at this point

Can you imagine? Raditz goes to find a job, joins the police force... his superior is... Krillin.
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>>149598977
Letting Vegeta live was what turned Frieza's attention to the dragon balls, and by extention, Earth.
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>>149598964
Contrarian detected.
I bet you don't like any fanmade stuff, like TFS and AF (which I don't like, mind you), and that you think DBS's only worth it because Toriyama said he has something to do with it (all while also saying how much he doesn't want to have anything to do with Dragon Ball anymore).
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>>149598977
>They had beaten Vegeta and he thought they could do it again.
No he didn't. He just wanted to fight Vegeta again. Even if that meant losing the second time.

You don't understand what a fight junkie Goku is.
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>>149599008
Goku couldn't know about Frieza by then, could he? He just thought Vegeta would come back for vengeance sometime in the future and hoped he had trained enough to defeat him.
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>>149599019
>t. salagir
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>>149598942
>look at DBM, it's very, very good

fuck off retard
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>>149599048
That's irrelevant. Goku put the safety of Earth on the line for his own personal interests.

Krillin even admits to it in Japanese, saying something like "Goku, you already did so much for Planet Earth, I'm giving you this. But you better know what you're doing."
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>>149598855
>gave Cell a fucking senzu bean before his fight with Gohan
>decided to fuck around and not kill Buu when he had the chance because "m-muh kids"

Yeah, Goku isn't careless at all.
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>>149599107
>decided to fuck around and not kill Buu when he had the chance because "m-muh kids"
I wonder if the same people who bitch about this also bitch about Gohan and the others not training in case Goku and Vegeta aren't around any more.
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>>149599084
See >>149599019

>>149599083
I wish I had any talent like that, but I don't. Just like you. But I don't resent people who does. Unlike you.

If you'd like to discuss why do you think DBM sucks, well, that's another thing. I think their art's flawed, but I like their story. It's pure fanfic, which is not always bad - I mean, what's not to like about their Vegetto? Or their Mystic Gohan? The latter's much more likeable than its anime counterpart right now...
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>>149599107
That wasn't Goku. That was Vegito.

And if I remember correctly, Goku and Vegeta weren't sure if Dende was still alive, so Vegito couldn't just kill Buu and wish Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Piccolo back.
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>>149599153
Gohan in DBS is perfctly likable. Then again, you're probably not old enough to remember watching DBZ on TV, so of course you don't know the pleasures of being a family man.
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>>149598990
Radditz would have trained in Hell or something
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>>149599178
he's talking about ssj3 goku when he first introduced himself to babidi and buu.
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>>149599178
He's talking about this.
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>>149598911
>Exept that in the original japanese DBZ Goku was always this stupid

Goku was fine in BOG and Resurrection F so please stop this meme to try to justify DBS Goku.
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>>149598911
Retarded logic
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>>149599204
>>149599213
Oh, nevermind then. Carry on.

It's just, whenever I watch the scene where Goku introduces SSJ3 I get intense flashbacks to Andre the Smith for some reason.
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>>149599303
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>>149599019
>TFS
It's such shit

They treat it so seriously, it's almost like a re-dub, the jokes are literally primetime sitcom tier, some of them actually just directly stolen
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>>149599303
The only thing missing is the animated slapstick Beerus-hits-Goku-for-being-a-dum.

I don't see your point. It's not like it makes sense to devote a single panel to Beerus punching Goku, when there already is a panel of Beerus looking angry and giving Goku a stern talking to.
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>>149599330
As Goku said, they should do something new instead of trying to cash in on DBZ's success.
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Also goddamn, I'm literally reading the manga in English dub voices in my head.

What the fuck. I haven't even smoked weed.
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>>149594898
This is a great idea. I saw another anon say that SSG should have been what SSB was leading up to, and was the true, raw form of Godhood they were attempting to attain through mastery of Godly Ki. SSB being the first step towards that.
It would have also sorted out Beerus' power-level by giving Goku and Vegeta a well-defined path towards him.
>SSJG is close to Beerus
>SSR is the beginning of Goku's journey back to full Godhood
>Super has a better narrative
Now it's just:
>SSJG pushes Beerus
>SSB is much stronger than SSJG
>but Beerus is stronger anyway lol
>you're a fucking tree, kiddo
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>>149598911
Goku was a dumbass when it was peaceful sure, but if there was actual danger he wasn't an idiot. He sure as hell wouldn't forget senzu beans or the seal to the mafuba.
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>>149599190
Oh, I'm not a dad yet, but I'm married alright and I have a nice grown-up life, so, it's not about that. I was 12 when I watched DBZ from its first airing in my country (1999?).

Also, Gohan's probably my favorite character. I had a beloved dog named after him. And I always advocate his choice of letting the fight to the battlemad Saiyans, but I think he became too wimpy as a character. I don't mind him being as weak as Piccolo, but I don't like him being as hesitant and unsure as that. Where's his rage?

DBM's Gohan's also a family man, he has also stopped training and he's also dedicated to his academic pursuits. He's the weakest of his team, but he still keeps his mystic strenght and he's more than able to fight yet. And I think that's cool, because it's a payoff for what he's been through to get that mystical strenght. He had to become a SS again when fighting against Frieza's goons. Ruling his mystic power off made me furious. Knowing Toriyama, I bet he also forgot about it when writing for the Resurrection F movie...
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>>149599408
Learn any other language and you will read the voices in your head
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>>149599405
Whoa, Goku, THE CHARACTER, said so?! In what continuity?
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>>149599418
Where the fuck do you dumbasses get this idea that SSJG pushes Beerus from?

Every mention of "Oooh you're pushing my limits Supa~ Saiya~jin Goddo" by Beerus is probably a lie, because Beerus is pretty much lying ALL the time. I also don't trust the subs, because some subs and translations say Beerus used 10% of his power, some say 1/10th, some say 60%, some say 1%. How the fuck can you translate a single line in so many ways?
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>>149598942
>I mean, look at DBM, it's very, very good

kys salagir
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>>149599470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3g-8CbBbAA
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>>149599473
Until it's flat-out revealed to be a lie, we can only take it as face-value truth, or we're interjecting our own theories.
In both DBS and the Manga Beerus said his fight with SSG Goku pushed him. Then Whis claims shit about trees and castles.
If they made SSG the goal to strive for, instead of the redundant, surpassed bench-mark, the trees-and-castles shit would come off a lot more reasonable.
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>>149583114
Reminder that the manga is basically Toyble OC with minimal Toriyama supervision:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

Interviewer:
> So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!

Toriyama:
> Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

Interviewer:
> Toriyama-sensei, what advice do you have for Toyotaro-sensei?

Toriyama:
> I think it would be great if you included more of your own original ideas.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

Interviewer:
> Between getting the outline and the final phase, what is the most difficult part of making the manga?

Toyotaro:
> Many times, Toriyama-sensei doesn't give me specific feedback on the details that I fill in, so I put a lot of thought into those aspects, knowing that my interpretation is what the readers will see. I would love to have Toriyama just sit next to me so I could ask him questions all the time, but unfortunately, I can't!
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>>149599491
See >>149599019 and >>149599153
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>>149599533
I'm not reading that shit, Salagir
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>>149599531
I don't know what to believe anymore
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>>149599531
It's basically

Toriyama:
>Let me out of this ride already! I don't care about this shit anymore! Here, take this boy, he read all my shit and mad a fanfic, he can be in my place!
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>>149599561
This
>>149583114
>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct.
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>>149599524
Well, Toriyama first says something like Goku is at 6, Beerus is at 10 and Whis is at 15.

Then he says Goku and Vegeta won't be surpassing Beerus anytime soon if ever.

Then we also have Beerus going through all that effort to keep Goku convinced Manako is strong.

This all paints (at least to me) a picture of Beerus being fucking afraid of Goku losing hope of getting stronger due to the immense power gap between Goku and Beerus, even when considering god forms etc.
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>>149599370
?
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>>149599567
He gives Toei a skeleton script as well. So the anime's basically the same thing.
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>>149599593
Does he do the same for the anime?
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>>149584163
Look kid I just want this fucking fanbase to know WHAT IS REALLY CANON

I'm fucking sick of animefags saying "hurr durr anime is canon and manga isn't because reasons"

If you don't understand, don't say anything, I'll keep posting that pasta in every thead, kid
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>>149599701
> OC
> Canon

See: >>149599531
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>>149599610
I agree that Beerus' ultimate goal is to give himself a challenge, and that he's been holding back. I still think that overall message would be delivered better were SSG Goku say, an 8, and SSB a 0.8, JUST pushing into godly territories.
Instead you have Tori saying SSG is a six, then SSG is 10% of SSB, but SSB still isn't better than a 10.
It would just be a lot more palatable and less on-the-fly, which powerlevels have been since the Cell saga.
They're a meme now, but I do genuinely miss when they meant shit. Obviously we can't have precise, honed-in on-screen displays of "his powerlevel is [x]!", as that would take up an entire fucking screen, at this point. But the general continuity of it is shot to shit.
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What's up with Trunks' sword?
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>>149599765
Could someone translate this please?
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>>149599682
Nope.
Toriyama works closer with Toyotaro then he does with Toei.
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>>149599701
Toriyama considers the anime a direct continuation of his manga. The manga was announced at a later date as a promotional tool.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/07/01/dragon-ball-super-complete-showcase-event-reveals-series-plot/

Toriyama (After the DBS anime announcement):
> “Dragon Ball Super is a complete continuation of the Majin Buu story arc."

> "You know, it suddenly occurs to me that somewhere along the line the Dragon Ball anime has become quite a huge story. Since I’m the guy who drew the thing, it’s a bit weird for me to say this, but when I first started out I never dreamed it would have a universe as a setting (laughs). Don’t worry though, it’s still going to be the same sort of easy-to-understand content as always. Please be sure to watch Dragon Ball Super on TV!"
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>>149599682
That's misleading. Toriyama gives Toyataro barely any supervision

See: >>149599531
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>>149599765
Trunks sword reached SSB before he did
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>>149599765
Oh, so that's how Toranksu will be made relevant, he'll develop a lightsaber technique...

Well, that's kinda cool .
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>>149599765
So now a fucking sword can go Super Saiyan Blue?
Awesome
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>>149599793
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/796312278530289666
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>>149599765
Mary Sue at it again.
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>>149599963
>inb4 it's the z sword and the old kai is still in there
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>>149583114
>>149583284
>>149583267
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>>149599765
>Vegetto has a new weakness
>Trunks' gets another asspull powerup
I don't like where this is going.
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>>149599895
>Toriyama considers the anime a direct continuation of his manga.

Nope.

See >>149583267 and >>149583114
>pic related
>Akira-Toriyama's chosen successor
The DBS manga is the continuation of the Dragon Ball manga.
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>>149599765
Will Vegetto actually win or Goku saving the day again?
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>>149600007
DBS's anime the continuation of DBZ's anime and the manga's the continuation of the other manga

Here, solved.

Now let us talk about shit that matters: powerlevels inconsistency.
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>>149599765
I don't mind if Vegito gets a new weakness but Trunks' should not have a role in a fight between two fusions. What the hell are doing Toriyama?
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>>149600026
Trunks is getting a new powerup that puts him on the level of Vegito
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>>149600085
Freeza training for a few months makes him stronger than Vegetto SSJ
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>>149600065
I'm guessing, and hoping that Vegito has a hard time against Merged Zamasu. Trunks manages to get a good hit in on Zamasu (I dunno, he cuts Zamasu's halo in half or cuts his time ring) and gets almost killed (IIRC they still have some sensu beans). Merged Zamasu now goes full-on Harvey Dent due to what Trunks did, Vegito goes apeshit thanks to the Vegeta part of the fusion and Vegito now slowly claws his way to victory.
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>>149599531
Amazing how you conveniently skipped

>Many times, Toriyama-sensei doesn't give me specific feedback on the details that I fill in, so I put a lot of thought into those aspects, knowing that my interpretation is what the readers will see. I would love to have Toriyama just sit next to me so I could ask him questions all the time, but unfortunately, I can't!


The part you skipped completely changes the implication of that statement. He's talking about changing Toriyama's words to a visual medium, not making up story stuff.
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>>149600118
Exept that unlike Trunks Freeza never trained in his entire pre-RoF life, so he had a ton of untapped potential
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>>149600133
Whole full version

>What I receive from Toriyama is literally words on paper, without drawings or anything. So when I'm reading it, I have to fill in the blanks as far as the specifics are concerned. I think of what kinds of expressions the characters wear, which way they're looking when they say a certain line. Many times, Toriyama-sensei doesn't give me specific feedback on the details that I fill in, so I put a lot of thought into those aspects, knowing that my interpretation is what the readers will see.
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>>149600085
How is he not a Mary Sue?
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>>149586211
>I feel he will use it again, like pic related might be, or what other life risking attack Goku would do?
The life risking attack was the Kamehameha beam duel at the end of the last episode, with that explosion.
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>>149599765
FUCKING MARY SUE I'M TIRED OF THIS SHIT ALREADY

HAVE FUN WITH YOUR SHITTY SHONEN
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>>149598948
>Raditz

He was truly the most tragic villain. Just wanted his little brother to join him. If Vegeta could be redeemed, why couldn't he? What was even the point of him being Goku's brother if he was going to disappear and never be mentioned again.
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>>149600190
According to Trunksfags it's because he "suffered"
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>>149600221
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>>149600235
Look at it from the perspective of a continuation of DB.
How shock-and-awe was it at the time for the bad-ass dude from DB to be unveiled as a Warrior race, then killed alongside his own brother?
I do think Raditz would be the toppest comedy character to bring back, though.
>returns somehow
>goes for Kakarot who's mixing with filthy fucking humans
>gets wrecked because everyone's crazy beyond him now
>has to live a humble life
>gradually starts training and improving himself

It would be some really good throwback fan-service, and if nothing else, DB has always been great at that.
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>>149599765
What the fuck Toei brought back Vegetto just so he could make Trunks look good
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>>149600235
>If Vegeta could be redeemed, why couldn't he?

Vegeta became popular. Raditz didn't
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>>149599973
I meant a translation for the new stuff, like that stuff with Gowasu, Mai and Bulma in the lower left.
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>Wah wah DBS is the Goku and Vegeta show

>Future Trunks gets several cool moments in the Future Trunks arc

>Wah wah Future Trunks is a Mary Sure

Fuck this fanbase.
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>>149600190
He's a little Sue-ish but ultimately he's a bystander to Goku, Vegeta, Black and Zamasu, who gets wrecked by them rage-spurts aside.
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>>149600235
Resurrection F: Plan B - Raditz
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>>149600303
>needs to get a job
>joins the police force because with his low powerlevel he'll still make a good policeman
>krillin is his superior
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>>149600361
Let them be anon. Their tears are delicious.
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>>149600133
I didnt skip that. It' towards the bottom.

>>149600150
I didn't skip that though? This basically says Toriyama gives Toyble a skeleton script to work on.

Exactly how Toriyama gives Toei a script as well.
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>>149600361
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that he's somehow managed to keep up with the potara fusions
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>>149600361
Everything after Freeza was the Goku and Vegeta show feat. Gohan and Piccolo
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>>149600361
People don't know what the fuck they want.
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>>149600361
I never complained about Super being the Goku and Vegeta show.
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>>149600361
I haven't hated on Trunks, but I can at least see their point. People wanted something, and they got a terrible hamfisted, clumsy version of it.

>this sandwich is dry, I want condiments, anybody have some ketchup?
>I have condiments, here, have some mustard
>no thanks, I want ketchup
>HAHAHA HAVE THIS MUSTARD YOU CUNT
>I wanted ketchup
>YOU WANTED CONDIMENTS
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>>149600361
I think people are worried that Trunks might be able to land better hits on Zamasu than Vegito. Considering how ridiculously overpowered Vegito is supposed to be, even with his new "weakness" it would be silly. I like Trunks and I get that this is his arc, but they are really going all out with the wankfest.
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>>149600007
What I just posted and what you posted said basically said the same exact thing retard.

He considers both "a continuation" of his manga. As long as it's called Dragon Ball Super.

Whether that makes sense to you or not doesn't matter.
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>>149600389
Anon, the Vegetto vs Zamasu episode hasn't aired yet
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>>149600389
By that same logic, Yayirobe kept up with Gohan, Krillin, Goku and Vegeta.
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>>149600439
Learn to read retard. Toriyama said the manga not the anime or both. >>149600007
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>>149600450
>>149600457
Look in the last episode Trunks couldn't do anything to merged Zamasu so him suddenly gaining a new power that enables him to play a big role in the fight between to fusions is awful. I get that this is his arc but Toei is going to far in their wanking
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>>149600495
Lmao learn to read retard. He said the same thing about the anime. >>149599895
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>>149600509
But we still don't know what this big role is going to be. Doesn't necessarily means he's going to be stronger than Vegito.
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>>149600513
Learn to read retard and take your meds

>What I just posted and what you posted said basically said the same exact thing retard.

>>149600007
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>>149600542
Even getting one good hit in would be too much.
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>>149600577
> Arguing in circles

Sure, anon

You should just admit that you're wrong, or at least that you have no argument against mine before you make yourself look more retarded.
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>>149599765
Amazing Toei just killed any hype
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>manga vs anime again

When will it end with you fucks? Every single thread you go at it. Not to mention the OP post is spammed in every thread too. At this point nobody takes what Toriyama says seriously, not even himself.

Realistically, nobody gives a fuck about the manga, even if it is better. When people think about DBS, they think about the anime, and with the Funi dub coming up that mindset is just going to be reinforced.
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>>149600670
>>149583114
>Akira-Toriyama's chosen successor
Deal with it retard.
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>>149600727
That's me though
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>>149583114
I HATE


I HATE

that DB characters got so nerfed...

Goku defeated by a simple ass laser, the guy who defeated vegeta god sayan can't fucking throw a punch at goku in 0.1 seconds, thus concluding db characters are slow as fuck...
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Why are people surprised Vegito would have trouble with Blamasu?
Look at the pieces of each fusion:
>SSB Goku/Vegeta, 9 each
>Goku Black, 10, Zamasu, 6ish
18 isn't that far above 16.
Plus there's compatibility, which I think plays a factor, meaning Blamasu would probably get a larger surge in that regard.
Vegito should have to go all-out.
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>>149600727

> Toriyama speaking about the anime (the manga was announces later)

> "Dragon Ball Super is a complete continuation of the Majin Buu story arc.
See: >>149599895

"Chosen succcesor"? As if an anime company can be chosen as a manga artist's successor. Toyble is the manga artist = obviously successor.

However, Toriyama saying that the anime is also a continuation of his manga means exactly that.

Deal with it.
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>>149600827
Are you retarded?

Goku lowered the ki in his body. Without ki protecting the body, anything could kill Goku.

Ki is the key. Put enough ki in your body, and you can survive an attack that can blow up a galaxy. Don't put enough ki in your body, and you can be the goddamn protector of a galaxy, but a pocket knife will kill you.

How fucking retarded are you?
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>>149600854
Zamasu does not have a weakness as obvious as a Saiyan's tail
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>>149600827
>Goku defeated by a simple ass laser, the guy who defeated vegeta god sayan can't fucking throw a punch at goku in 0.1 seconds
And you can't read apparently. He can easily punch Goku in 0.1 seconds in the manga. When he gets surprised it's because Goku broke the timeskip even faster than expected, so it didn't last the 0.1 seconds that it was supposed to last.
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>>149600827
>Goku defeated by a simple ass laser

> Krillin nearly killed Vegeta when Vegeta's guard was lowered
> Krillin hurt FP SS1 Goku with a pebble while he was napping.
> Majin Vegeta knocks out Goku with one hit in the back, while Goku had hia back turnes
> Majin Vegeta knocks out SS Trunks and SS Goten with one single hit when they weren't expecting it

Nerfed? Attacks being effective while their guard is lowered is nothing new, anon.
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>>149600839
it's not about zamasu being powerful almighty. it's about being trunks being able to walk with the gods let alone the fused gods, which he shouldn't be capable of in the first place.
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>>149600847
>However, Toriyama saying that the anime is also a continuation of his manga means exactly that.
Nope

>how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime,


>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

The anime is the same as always a shitty adaptation of Toriyama's work.

Deal with it.
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>>149600065
>>149600127

It could be something like Vegeta vs Gohan. Zamasu beats Vegeto but his power drops low enough due to his flawed immortality that Trunks can finish the battle with that new sword power up.
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>>149600961
GF just got yip man'd.
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>>149600874
>but a pocket knife will kill you.
Wrong retard.
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>>149600874
>Without ki protecting the body, anything could kill Goku.

Sure thing, like that bullet or those sniper/machine guns bullets


What a retard you are... sigh!
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>>149600996
I can kinda buy it, because ultimately, Dragonball is an extravagant series that abides the rule of cool before anything else.
Trunks is a popular returning character.
Besides, do we really know how Godly Ki functions? He's been around Gods, how do we know it doesn't have a spilling effect? Coupled with Saiyans being emotionally driven creatures, and a dead planet's worth of rage stored inside of him. It's not completely crazy for him to get a god-rage power-boost.
Especially when he didn't really "walk with" them. He was still a bitch in a one-on-one who would have gotten bodied. He just had his moment of seething butthurt.
Vegeta had one, too, and shocked Beerus after he slapped down Bulma. Saiyans are raging man-children who's power is amplified enormously by tantrums. Nothing groundbreaking.
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>>149585413
Just stop anon you're already making yourself look like an autist.
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>>149601060
Beerus is on a whole different level.

First of all, Beerus isn't a protector. He's a destroyer. Second, his power is universal, not galactic.
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>>149599765
>will be seeing those retarded kids again with the long and insignificant as fuck dialogues which eats half of the episode's broadcast time
what the fuck is wrong with toei?
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>>149601005
Why are you shilling the manga so hard? Even if it is the "chosen successor" of Tori, literally nobody gives a fuck about it other than the same mangafags that spam every DBS thread with their "canon" arguments.
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>>149601105
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>>149600961
> Krillin nearly killed Vegeta when Vegeta's guard was lowered

By that point krillin could literally blow up a planet so it's no surprise

>> Krillin hurt FP SS1 Goku with a pebble while he was napping.

Yeah, a pebble lunched with HIS strenght

> Majin Vegeta knocks out Goku with one hit in the back, while Goku had hia back turnes

It's fucking Vegeta

> Majin Vegeta knocks out SS Trunks and SS Goten with one single hit when they weren't expecting it

It's FUCKING Vegeta
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>>149601070
Guns make noise and are incredibly slow. Hell, even Mr. Satan can almost dodge bullets.

Lasers are a whole different game, since they go at lightspeed, so you need some ki in your system to dodge them.

It all comes down to what Whis said. Goku is too easy-going.

Vegeta would never have gotten hurt by that laser, Gohan neither. Piccolo would probably have bounced that laser right into Frieza's face.

It could only work on Goku, because only Goku would power down while giving his obligatory "This is why you're bad" speech.
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>>149601070
He's still an alien, so his skin is naturally tougher than a human's. It doesn't mean that when he became stronger through training his skin also became proportionally stronger.

When he's shot by Bulma in the beginning of DB and when he's shot by a Red Ribbon soldier by surprise in the Red Ribbon arc the result was basically the same (He felt pain, even drawn with tears on his eyes, but it didn't really hurt him) even though he was much stronger during the later story (which was post Karin training already).
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>>149601070
>>149601172
Also, we had Freeza soldiers with power levels around 1000 using beam weapons in Namek, so comparing Freeza's army weapons with the guns from DB is silly.
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>>149601159
>he doesn't know

Yeah, sure. Goku knew how to suppress and control his ki right from the start of DB.

You're retarded.
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>>149601172
>He's still an alien, so his skin is naturally tougher than a human's

Said nowhere in the manga ever
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Was it ever explained how Mr.Satan won the world tournament when there are guys like Giran, King Chappa and Nam around?
Like did strong guys like them stop coming or was prime Mr.Satan stronger than all of them and he only looks weak, because of the massive powercreep?
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>>149601194
>being this retarded
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>>149601171
>Guns make noise and are incredibly slow.

Goku at the point was literally at the beginning of the manga and didn't have any KI training, he was just a little kid who didn't even meet Roshi yet.

Later, as a kid when he fights against the Red ribbon army he's hit by a sniper bullet capable of passing through tanks while he was COMPLETELY OFF GUARD, read the manga again
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>>149601200
As far as I know, Mr. Satan is literally the strongest (non-ki) using being on Earth.

Just so people get some proper respect for this crazy mofo, he ALMOST dodged a bullet. WITHOUT using ki.
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>>149601200
I'm guessing they just didn't enter during the time when he did. Satan is a competent martial artist and is actually pretty strong in terms of normal humans. But compared to the main cast and even the enemies back in DB, he's nothing special.
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>>149601239
>>149601239
>im too retarded to know the difference between a laser and a bullet
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>>149601194
Yeah, it's not like he was catched off guard
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>>149601242
>Mr. Satan is literally the strongest (non-ki) using being on Earth

Pretty sure that's Chi Chi. Though I can't remember if Yajirobe uses Ki, if not then it would be him.
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>>149601195
That's the original implication when he survives the gunshot. He was just somehow inhumanly though. There was no ki mentioned at all at that point, so assuming that it was due to passive ki resistance that should be active at all times is just as big an assumption assuming that it was just due to his skin being though. Considering that we now have RoF as an example, in hindsight it's clear that it was just his skin being though since it doesn't create a contradiction.
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>>149601200
Bribed them with money like Android 18
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>>149601226
>>149601239
>not knowing how ki works

You're comparing Goku as a kid, to Goku who has attained control over god ki here.

Guess which one will be better at supressing his powerlevel?

Guess which one will be more fucked from an unnoticed attack?
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>>149601308
Chichi has ki. It's most often shown for comedic purposes, like when she charges up to beat up master Roshi, but she can use some ki.
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>>149601295
How difficult is it for you to understand?

Child Goku can't suppress his ki. Adult Goku can suppress his ki.

Suppressing your ki means you become vulnerable to attacks that shouldn't harm you.
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>>149601322
He had not reason to cpmpletely shut down his ki to 0, it's just Toryama complete retardation and you're just butthurt fans of his who can't admit his incosistency
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>>149601312
>There was no ki mentioned at all at that point, so assuming that it was due to passive ki resistance that should be active at all times is just as big an assumption

Well I mean, Kid Goku DID learn the Kamehameha immediately
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>>149601308
So... Popo could have literally ass raped Piccolo Demonio and Piccolo, wtf?
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>>149601419
He had a reason to completely shut down his ki.

He's fucking Goku. He just won the battle. And he didn't learn his lesson taught by Whis.

Fuck you're a retarded cunt.
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>>149601322
Funny thing is I agree with the Ki control shit, but claiming anyone can be killed by ordinary means without Ki is retarded. Hell even in RoF Goku got shot in the heart and didn't die.
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>>149601422
>Well I mean, Kid Goku DID learn the Kamehameha immediately

NOT when he was hit by Bulma's gun.
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>>149601456
Yeah yeah yeah. You get the point, I get the point.

Lowering ki in battle without full awareness of your surroundings is dangerous.
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>>149601454
No, you're a retarded fuck.

It's a fucking dumb device and the whole thing about vegeta fighting him and frieza blowing up earth and Whis remaking it makes 0 sense, it was the same tier of writing as a 8 year old, just pure stupidity, you sad little autist.
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>>149599983
nope the z-sword got destroyed and old kai didn't even pop out
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>>149601456
He even got kicked a fuckton by Frieza until Vegeta stepped in.
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>>149601531
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>>149601513
>No, you're a retarded fuck.

Allow me to use an ancient meme from more civilized times.
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>>149599324
>Goku comes back as Vegito/Vegetto with Pizzas

>>149600373
>This time I'll capture both of his kids
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>>149601450
he can't leave the look out for long i think.
plus the whole kami and piccolo thing
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>>149600373
Raditz would still be as strong as a Saibamen

But he would get the upper hand by using the strongest Saiyan Technique: The Full Nelson
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>>149601474
No reason to believe he didnt have passive ki working for him then
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>>149601745
I still can't believe that happened
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>>149601745
raditz was originaly just as strong as a saibaman at 1200
but for some reason his power level later got changed to 1500.

next understood this, woudn't gohan's 1300 headbutt been way less effective then?
or piccolo's special beam canon?
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>>149601930
and then in the secret mission you fight as bardock against mira and you unlock super saiyan, super saiyan 2 and super saiyan 3 during the fight. (although didn't help much as bardocks moves are rather shit. but the second secret mission with playing as future gohan is even worse, his moves barely do any damage)
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>>149601745
tbf it is like fucking impossible to escape a full nelson

>>149601930
That follow-up battle in the rift was based though
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>>149601960
let's put it this way
>let's believe that hypothetically you could lift max 150kg on olympic weightlifting style
>some one else can list only 120kg the same style
>now this guy surprises you and punches you
I am quite sure it would hurt you
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>>149602022
>That follow-up battle in the rift was based though
N-nani

>>149602011
>future gohan is even worse, his moves barely do any damage
>hard mode is now that you can't do almost any damage
just make the opponent more versatile than this
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If you nerds are done arguing, I finally got around to making a Zamasu NINGEN compilation to complement the Gowasu "ZAMASU" compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQu3-dt_Fwk&feature=youtu.be
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>>149602189
now make a compilation of trunks' kkkhhkkhhkhhkhk
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>>149602189
Please make a Goku "Wari wari" compilation, and a Beerus "Baka!" compilation.
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>>149602189
>That ending
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>>149602262
>>149602269
Maybe, Trunks is more likely because I won't have to go through the entire series for it
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>>149602189
Based
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>>149584027
Teal haired bulma best bulma
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>>149602189
Great job, are you going to update it when he gets BTFO next episode?
I am pretty sure his NINGEN sperging will reach heights never seen before.
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>>149602492
I could do, yeah
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New thread >>149602555
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>>149602492
Kind of a shame they already used Norio for Cell.

Can you imagine Norio screaming about NINGEN?
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>>149602551
You are too good for these threads.
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>>149602795
>>149602795
>>149602795
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>>149600303
>>149600235
>>149598948

http://frontiercomics.deviantart.com/gallery/32734022/Weaksauce-the-Comic
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>>149601513
>frieza blowing up earth and Whis remaking it makes 0 sense

That was one of the most retarded things I ever watched. Can't have Veggie have his day in the sun, and all the other BS of them not just killing him as quickly as possible as other living things are caught up in the fight as well.
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